@exram1930 Yeah maybe, But Those gooks won the war. David vs Goliath: Kennedy was about to withdraw, LBJ Bombed Vietnam the Most and coulden't handle the pressure of a lost cause. Nixon bowed to pressure and withdrew troops. America never faced a war crimes tribunal for their illegal war and use of chemical weapons, torcher, rape and massacre's. Funny that America's kick ass attitude developed post WW2, always ends in failure.
@KatiushaVN4 Who the hell are you! First of all I have nothing but respect for the Vietnamese people. But don't you disrespect me for showing love to my country. So again I say Happy Veterans Day to my fellow Americans!
@g6686not seriously what where u expecting commenting "Happy Veterans Day! To all of our U.S. war Veterans" on a video about hanoi bombings? were u trying to stir things up or are you too stupid to realise what you just did. it doesnt hurt to have a little common sense.
I dont care what happen it the war, who bad guy, who good guy. Now, Vietnam is independent and reunification, is one of the fastest developing countries, and Vietnamese are living happy... the war was end for long time ago.
Uncle Ho was not Gandhi, British is not American and French. Vietnam and Uncle Ho had been waiting and enduring for long time. But French did not want peace, they wanted to take back the colonial. So, VN had to go to the war, and all Vietnamese went to the war. After, France war, Vietnam could be independent and reunification by free vote in all nation, but SVN and America didn't want it happen because they knew Uncle Ho would win if free vote happened. Vn had to go to the war again.
should have thrown down some VX gas or good old fashioned MUSTARD gas..burn em alive, skin em alive. So, now the Communist Viet nam bastards are NOW Amerika's favorite trading partner, 58.000 dead americans and now we trade with these COMMIES..Just reprehensible, repulsive..and don't forget the POW's, they were just thrown away, and the maimed and the insane and all the rest The REAL enemy, lies within our own SAD SAD nation, our dying nation. Will the REAL enemies please stand up
During the Vietnam war, I was in the 4th grade when one day I took a Soviet flag to school..My teacher asked me why I had that flag. I responded by saying that when ever I take a crap, I WIPE my ass with the Russian flag!
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it's time for China to replace the role of US to control & lead the World.What US has ever done,China completely can does.One of the first victims of China will be US.China will carry out carpet-bombing in US and arrest the president of US and put in the prision.
To bad we had another chicken shit leader in USA at that time.. Those bombs should have all been Nukes.. Same we should do today, instead this government plays street games,, kill Americans trying to protect us one at a time..Thank you politcal correct. Ozmaba. ACLU- Green Peace-Asian Massage parlors love the business
@Buddyfun Your government is fucking corrupted by the weapon manufacturers and the corporate industry. You have no country any more. You have no government. Its a puppet show and you guys have to pay the price. It's quite sad to see the US fall from greatness so quickly.
@MrDeficate That is true. I hate that weapons like the b52 have to exist. If the US did not show force, we would be open to attack. A lot of people hate the US because of our freedom and beliefs. There are a lot of good people here that just want to live life and be free. I do think we stick our noses in things that we should just stay out of. However, the threat still remains and there will always be a B52 or something just as powerful waiting. No hard feelings.........
@mason0316 people dont hate the US because your freedoms or beliefs they hate you because you b52 them into oblivion, bet you would had hard feelings if someone bombed washington dc with tupolev bombers and then posted videos about it, hell see how America reacted at 9-11 with 3000 people dead, now imagine what the vietnamese felt with 2 million civilians dead.
@alenahi Hmmm last time Vietnam war was long time ago just 15 years after the Korean war started. Please get a life dude. And the South Vietnamese Government asked the US to intervene. This happened around 40 years and you still bitching? The fact is your come from a country with fulls of violence with no military. You also don't really mentioned about the NVA and VC are using civilians as shields which is why like in Afghanistan higher civilian casualties. But your bigotry is showing.
Those who bang on about the US winning all the major engagements in Vietnam don't understand what the Vietnamese were trying to achieve, successfully might I add, a rising death toll of US forces. The more soldiers that died, on both sides, the more world opinion swayed against the US and at home which ultimately drove the US to the bargaining table. The Vietnamese fought smart and achieved their goals. Hats off to them. My dad fought there and admires their courage and bravery, so do I.
@trevorpom I must admit your father taught you well in the lessons of war, I fought in that one as well ,there were several times the US lost a engagement as for casualtys, KIA vs KIAs , naturaly the US broght enough power to bear to drive them back,I might also add that all wars have political ends to them , noteing that political victorys trump the battle field every time, if the political war is lost so is the war lost on the battle field.
@trevorpom well I dunno if VC/NVA fought "smart" cuz they were willing to sacrifice a lot of their soldiers just for the sake of victory. Sure it was good in the end Vietnam won its independence and unity but at the expense of millions of its people. In a lot of battles, VC just went in and attacked in human waves like Chinese troops in Korea. But sure, eventually they learned guerrilla tactics. But they also killed their own people for the sake of controlling the population. Not smart, brutal
@AccordGTR The allies left a lot of their soliers on the battlefield too, for what purpose? Yes I agree that the VC/NVA were brutal but, so were the ARVN, they would regularly kill captured VC/NVA after questioning, which led directly to the kill or be killed mentality of the war. Lets face it, if you're going to killed after surrendering there's not much point in surrendering in the first place is there? War is and always will be brutal.
@trevorpom i agree but my point is, it depends on the leadership because there are options in strategy and tactics. If you look at Gandhi how he defeated the British Empire to free India, he was smart and caused minimum destruction. So did Mandela. Uncle Ho was not like them and preferred the military solution and it took Vietnam 10,000 days of brutal war to get its independence. If Uncle Ho followed non-violence civil disobedience maybe it wouldn't have cost Vietnam so much
@AccordGTR Would the US have left Vietnam with any other tactic employed against them? I don't think so, I'm not a communist, a silly form of government really, but the only other way would have been the capitulation of communism to capatlist ideals. Effectively, a surrender. Remember the US got involved to stop the spread of communism. Would the US and especially the ARSVN allowed non violent civil disobedience? Given the ARSVN track record, violence would have been the order of the day.
@trevorpom No self-respecting govt would allow civil disobedience by any form. Both Gandhi and Mandela were imprisoned as were their families and supporters. In my country we had 3 revolutions, 1896 against Spain, 1899 against the US and 1986 against the dictator. 1896 was bloody but mixed with civil disobedience and fighting - successful. 1899 fighting - very bloody, not successful. 1986 civil disobedience - successful. Thing is with Ho, he forced his will on the people so it was very bloody
@trevorpom Ho Chi Minh, was educated as a communist so he took on the Americans using communist China and Russia support, which invited overwhelming attention from the US military. OK great you won but at what expense? If you look at other countries how they were able to gain independence and liberty, Vietnam's is one of the, if not THE bloodiest. For example India, Philippines and South Africa had relatively peaceful revolutions and not as much civilian casualties and destruction.
War is a political tool to try and impose its' political will on another nation. The US lost the political war and therefore the military war as well. It was a pointless war with the US trying to prop up a corrupt and unpopular government in the south. If you don't have the support of the people you won't win. The US didn't and lost. No different for the Russians in Afganistan. The North Vietnamese understood this and won the war the best way they could, politically. A win is a win.
"War is a political tool to try and impose its' political will on another nation"
What a terribly cliche thing to say, war existed long long before political systems. Nor is it specific to humans, lions kill other groups of lions, wolves kill other groups wolves and it's certainly not to impose their political will.
@smoochym Just because it's a cliche doesn't make it untrue. As for lions and wolves it's all about territory and game, we just complicate it just that little bit further by adding power, influence and trade to it, that's politics for you. By the way ants were making war long before lions, wolves, humans and dinosaurs ever did.
What is this term "collateral damage", Greendude? Does it mean kids on fire running down the road? Babies born deformed years afterwards? Mothers crying in the night because they have suckled kids and watched them killed/ Whole villages and food stores burnt to the ground?
No wonder Americans are so hated throughout the world. You use BS terms to hide the truth.
BTW, NATO's Rules of Engagement did not apply during the Vietnam War, because NATO was not a party to the War.
Your comments are really hilarious, greendude33. It is hardly surprising that the US tended to beat the North when they met face to face. That's about like a fifteen-year-old shouting about how he "beat the shit" out of a five-year-old in the schoolyard. Economically and militarily, the US was hundreds of times more powerful than North Vietnam. The US lost (yes, LOST) because it stupidly did not understand the psychological impact that the war was having on its own population. Ho Chi Minh did.
"From January through 15. December 1967, 122 960 attack sorties were flown in Rolling Thunder route packages I-V and in Laos. Air attacks destroyed or damaged 5261 motor vehicles, 2475 railroad rolling stock, etc... The enemy has been able to replace or rehabilitate many of the items damaged or destroyed, and transport inventories are roughly at the same level they were at the begining of the year..." from Adm. U. S. Grant Sharp, to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, January 1. 1968.
@S300V The United States met it's military objectives in Vietnam the south was under US protection and the North casualties dwarfed the US casualties. Vietnam was just a long dragged out police work that caused political and media pressure.
Vietnam was a military victory but a politcal disaster, the North under the rain of Hell from the USAF were forced to sign the Treaty it wasn't until the US left that the North went back and took the South. This is why the US leaves bases everywhere now.
@Greendude33 In this case the US couldnt leave bases, it could no longer defend the South, so its a defeat. The final bombings were only there so the US could back out of the war saying they ve done everything in their power. Vietnam conflict had no real objectives, other than protect the South. That failed, end of story.
The North didnt retake the south untill the US left, they didn't have the spine to try that while the US forces were there. Look at the Tet Offensive it just failed miserably for them.
The US just lost support for the conflict. Then the lying North broke their contract with the south once the US left and retook it. They got the shit beat out of them, went and hid until the big dog got bored.
@Greendude33 Not realy, they were just smarter than the big stupid dog. Btw the dog went home for a reason...maybe because it couldnt take it anymore?It cost more to detroy the targets than they actually worth! Did the US save the south or not? That is the question. Also you talk about spine here, when it was the US forces who only dared to kill from 30000ft up and not up close and personal. Its even worse today!
After this bombing.... was that not when that treaty was signed, which had the North would hault their offenses and the U.S. would withdraw and the north and south would remain divided?
34 of those were shot down during the infamous 1972 Christmas Bombing of Hanoi, North Vietnam, from Dec 18 till Dec 29, 1972.
AP reported "at this rate, the B-52s will soon disappear from sight!"
Kudos for the Vietnamese Air Defense (and the SAM missiles), for after that episode it was over for any US carpet bombing of civilian areas at least in the North! ;-)
of course, over a hundred crew members were taken prisoners...
@shillyshallyz Haha shot down American planes haha with what Chopstick guns? Bamboo sligshots? Before this campaign the US cut all NV supply lines and crushed their cowardly hiding spots in Cambodia. NV was getting ass fucked that's why they signed the treaty. (over 2 million NV and Cong fighters died at the hands of America's firepower)
Also the American F4 Pahtom had a 30:1 kill ratio over the inferior Gook pilots, the most one sided air battle in history.
@shillyshallyz Educate Myself? Im the one using facts whereas you respond with petty insults and ad hominems.
Vietnam went as planned for the US military, the US had Air Supremacy, ground control and they slaughtered 2 million NV and Cong fighters compared to 58,000 american losses.
Vietnam was a political disaster and media misinformation frenzy, but from a military stand point the US bent Vietnam over and raped it.
@Greendude33 Realy 2million NV? Is that with or without women and children?
US forces often kill civilians in their recent conflicts even thought they use smart weapons! Imagine back than with all those unguided bombs! Btw they achived nothing in Vietnam, the vietcong remained active and they were the real players there, not the NVA.
@S300V I said 2 million NV and NC FIGHTERS can't you read?
Also so you know the US takes more precautions to limit collateral damage than any other nation.
The US from a military standpoint met all their major objectives, it wasn't untill the US left that the North disregared the Treaty they signed and overan the defenseless South.
As for the Cong, they were cowards they used Asymetric Warfare tactics and then would retreat when the fight got to scary.
@Greendude33 First of all its almost 4million vietnamese dead. From this about 650-800 thousand fighters dead(the exact figure is unknown because many people disappeared). Secondly: "Indochina is devoid of decisive military objectives..." ....The principal sources of Viet Minh military supply lie outside Indocina." Analysis by the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the French involvement in Indochina. 1954. (This was even more true later!)
@S300V The Estimate for Cong andNV forces were 2 to 2.5 million. (Britianica). Yes there were civilian casualties, but if you think a couple million is something why don't you go to a WW2 museum and tell someone that they'd be insulted.
The US complied with all NATO ROE's and with the Geneva Conventions I dont hear anyone whining about the Cong's torture of POW's and slaughter of South civilians who were against them.
U.S.A was losing, so U.S.A acted like a crazy dog. The action of B-52 dropping is just like a crazy dog that bites everything everyone when it has no hope
@KatiushaVN4 The US was neve losing in Vietnam, every military objective was met, the Tet Offensive was crushed, and the American airstrikes pounded them into submission.
American Casualties 58,000 Vietnamese over 4 million.
Vietnam was a poltical and media diaster within America, but from a military standpoint it was sucessful.
@trevorpom Vietnam was just a small piece in the chess match between the US and the USSR, the US military went to Vietnam and did its job. We killed 4 million gook commies and had control of the entire southern part of the country. It was political and social pressure from within the US that stopped the war not the tunnel gooks.
The US got it's revenge in Afghanistan and we sucessfully destroyed the USSR.
Checkmate. America has been unopposed in power ever since.
I'll answer. The Communists are. They won the war. The second war, the one they started after the US left the theater. And they only won it because Democrats in the US Congress would not fund South Vietnam, as we had promised them we would, nor would they allow US aircraft to resume bombing of the north. As is their way then and ever since Democrats side with the Communists.
@dogsbd The arvn were the most unreliable troops in the theater, no matter how much money you could have thrown at them they still would have lost. My father fought in Vietnam and part of that was training the arvn. He says that you couldn't trust them an inch and the number of firing range incidents where he had to disarm them at pistol point was beyond belief. The Vietcong had infiltrated them to the point that they were totally unreliable and in no way to be trusted.
@trevorpom Trusted to do what, support US? What do you expect, they would rather serve a Vietnamese master than a foreign one. The Americans were just the last of a long line of imperial forces occupying Vietnam over 30 years. Your mistake was believing US was there to free the people when it was only serving a the military industrial complex and a corrupt South Vietnamese dictator who was not serving the people of Vietnam. US lost the political war before it lost militarily.
@dogsbd vietnam was biggest us victory, USA totally destroyed economy of socialistic block, and after war kissinger got all contracts from vietnamese and gave them IMF credists, total victory for USA
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Robertinoobaldetti 1 week ago
1992s im want pilot!!
TheDieopfer 2 weeks ago
What business had America going there other than profiting arms dealers. A massive waste of life!
DOPPLECHEESE 3 weeks ago
This is so bad!! It should have been KISSINGER and MACNAMARA and JOHNSON and NIXON who was killed!
HateIronMaiden 3 weeks ago
the sound is shit.
FronkieMc 2 months ago
NIXON HAD THE BALLS TO BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THOSE COMMUNIST GOOKS!!!!!'
exram1930 3 months ago 8
@exram1930 Yeah maybe, But Those gooks won the war. David vs Goliath: Kennedy was about to withdraw, LBJ Bombed Vietnam the Most and coulden't handle the pressure of a lost cause. Nixon bowed to pressure and withdrew troops. America never faced a war crimes tribunal for their illegal war and use of chemical weapons, torcher, rape and massacre's. Funny that America's kick ass attitude developed post WW2, always ends in failure.
MrDeficate 2 months ago
@exram1930 nixon was a pussy
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wolf2rum 4 days ago
Happy Veterans Day! To all of our U.S. war Veterans.
g6686not 3 months ago
@g6686not
shut up
KatiushaVN4 3 months ago
@KatiushaVN4 Who the hell are you! First of all I have nothing but respect for the Vietnamese people. But don't you disrespect me for showing love to my country. So again I say Happy Veterans Day to my fellow Americans!
g6686not 3 months ago
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@g6686not seriously what where u expecting commenting "Happy Veterans Day! To all of our U.S. war Veterans" on a video about hanoi bombings? were u trying to stir things up or are you too stupid to realise what you just did. it doesnt hurt to have a little common sense.
sei70 2 months ago
I dont care what happen it the war, who bad guy, who good guy. Now, Vietnam is independent and reunification, is one of the fastest developing countries, and Vietnamese are living happy... the war was end for long time ago.
chuatamliti 3 months ago
Uncle Ho was not Gandhi, British is not American and French. Vietnam and Uncle Ho had been waiting and enduring for long time. But French did not want peace, they wanted to take back the colonial. So, VN had to go to the war, and all Vietnamese went to the war. After, France war, Vietnam could be independent and reunification by free vote in all nation, but SVN and America didn't want it happen because they knew Uncle Ho would win if free vote happened. Vn had to go to the war again.
chuatamliti 3 months ago
disgraceful. The Germans are still paying for having done this kind of shit to the peoples of Europe and Russia 70 years ago.
mrplease66 3 months ago
my ancestors...died becuse of these
briansf999 3 months ago
should have thrown down some VX gas or good old fashioned MUSTARD gas..burn em alive, skin em alive. So, now the Communist Viet nam bastards are NOW Amerika's favorite trading partner, 58.000 dead americans and now we trade with these COMMIES..Just reprehensible, repulsive..and don't forget the POW's, they were just thrown away, and the maimed and the insane and all the rest The REAL enemy, lies within our own SAD SAD nation, our dying nation. Will the REAL enemies please stand up
apocyldoomer 4 months ago
@apocyldoomer Hi, are you proud of your country's victory over the Nazis? if so, then please consider the irony of that fact.
mrplease66 3 months ago
In Vietnam, Pistol can shoot down B-52
vikkyislord 5 months ago
Russians... The emeny then and still the enemy now. Vietnam was NOTHING with out the real enemy.
bobtis 5 months ago
During the Vietnam war, I was in the 4th grade when one day I took a Soviet flag to school..My teacher asked me why I had that flag. I responded by saying that when ever I take a crap, I WIPE my ass with the Russian flag!
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it's time for China to replace the role of US to control & lead the World.What US has ever done,China completely can does.One of the first victims of China will be US.China will carry out carpet-bombing in US and arrest the president of US and put in the prision.
dangdung1294 6 months ago
Dropping bombs could be fun. Except that music would kill it.
cybermarsactual 7 months ago
To bad we had another chicken shit leader in USA at that time.. Those bombs should have all been Nukes.. Same we should do today, instead this government plays street games,, kill Americans trying to protect us one at a time..Thank you politcal correct. Ozmaba. ACLU- Green Peace-Asian Massage parlors love the business
Buddyfun 7 months ago
@Buddyfun Your government is fucking corrupted by the weapon manufacturers and the corporate industry. You have no country any more. You have no government. Its a puppet show and you guys have to pay the price. It's quite sad to see the US fall from greatness so quickly.
MrDeficate 6 months ago
@MrDeficate Does your country have B52s? I doubt it!
mason0316 6 months ago
@mason0316 no, and thank god we don't or we would have idiots like in your government wanting to use them!
MrDeficate 6 months ago
@MrDeficate That is true. I hate that weapons like the b52 have to exist. If the US did not show force, we would be open to attack. A lot of people hate the US because of our freedom and beliefs. There are a lot of good people here that just want to live life and be free. I do think we stick our noses in things that we should just stay out of. However, the threat still remains and there will always be a B52 or something just as powerful waiting. No hard feelings.........
mason0316 5 months ago
@mason0316 people dont hate the US because your freedoms or beliefs they hate you because you b52 them into oblivion, bet you would had hard feelings if someone bombed washington dc with tupolev bombers and then posted videos about it, hell see how America reacted at 9-11 with 3000 people dead, now imagine what the vietnamese felt with 2 million civilians dead.
alenahi 5 months ago
@alenahi Study the facts before you comment!
KC8YOQ 5 months ago
@alenahi Hmmm last time Vietnam war was long time ago just 15 years after the Korean war started. Please get a life dude. And the South Vietnamese Government asked the US to intervene. This happened around 40 years and you still bitching? The fact is your come from a country with fulls of violence with no military. You also don't really mentioned about the NVA and VC are using civilians as shields which is why like in Afghanistan higher civilian casualties. But your bigotry is showing.
Hperman09 5 months ago
@alenahi yea but 911 it wasnt just americans there were different nationalities there
Irish8594 4 months ago
barbaric!
tolainhandan 8 months ago
@tolainhandan Then don't watch it.
assasin952 8 months ago
B-52. very complex weapons system.
MrBunnyslaya037 9 months ago
They schould have dropped a Hydrogen bomb on 20 MT !!!
hornborgdk 11 months ago
@hornborgdk who, da russians droppin one on DC right???
POPJack1717 5 months ago
Those who bang on about the US winning all the major engagements in Vietnam don't understand what the Vietnamese were trying to achieve, successfully might I add, a rising death toll of US forces. The more soldiers that died, on both sides, the more world opinion swayed against the US and at home which ultimately drove the US to the bargaining table. The Vietnamese fought smart and achieved their goals. Hats off to them. My dad fought there and admires their courage and bravery, so do I.
trevorpom 1 year ago
@trevorpom I must admit your father taught you well in the lessons of war, I fought in that one as well ,there were several times the US lost a engagement as for casualtys, KIA vs KIAs , naturaly the US broght enough power to bear to drive them back,I might also add that all wars have political ends to them , noteing that political victorys trump the battle field every time, if the political war is lost so is the war lost on the battle field.
kamphwagon1 1 year ago
@trevorpom well I dunno if VC/NVA fought "smart" cuz they were willing to sacrifice a lot of their soldiers just for the sake of victory. Sure it was good in the end Vietnam won its independence and unity but at the expense of millions of its people. In a lot of battles, VC just went in and attacked in human waves like Chinese troops in Korea. But sure, eventually they learned guerrilla tactics. But they also killed their own people for the sake of controlling the population. Not smart, brutal
AccordGTR 6 months ago
@AccordGTR The allies left a lot of their soliers on the battlefield too, for what purpose? Yes I agree that the VC/NVA were brutal but, so were the ARVN, they would regularly kill captured VC/NVA after questioning, which led directly to the kill or be killed mentality of the war. Lets face it, if you're going to killed after surrendering there's not much point in surrendering in the first place is there? War is and always will be brutal.
trevorpom 3 months ago
@trevorpom i agree but my point is, it depends on the leadership because there are options in strategy and tactics. If you look at Gandhi how he defeated the British Empire to free India, he was smart and caused minimum destruction. So did Mandela. Uncle Ho was not like them and preferred the military solution and it took Vietnam 10,000 days of brutal war to get its independence. If Uncle Ho followed non-violence civil disobedience maybe it wouldn't have cost Vietnam so much
AccordGTR 3 months ago
@AccordGTR Would the US have left Vietnam with any other tactic employed against them? I don't think so, I'm not a communist, a silly form of government really, but the only other way would have been the capitulation of communism to capatlist ideals. Effectively, a surrender. Remember the US got involved to stop the spread of communism. Would the US and especially the ARSVN allowed non violent civil disobedience? Given the ARSVN track record, violence would have been the order of the day.
trevorpom 3 months ago
@trevorpom No self-respecting govt would allow civil disobedience by any form. Both Gandhi and Mandela were imprisoned as were their families and supporters. In my country we had 3 revolutions, 1896 against Spain, 1899 against the US and 1986 against the dictator. 1896 was bloody but mixed with civil disobedience and fighting - successful. 1899 fighting - very bloody, not successful. 1986 civil disobedience - successful. Thing is with Ho, he forced his will on the people so it was very bloody
AccordGTR 3 months ago
@trevorpom Ho Chi Minh, was educated as a communist so he took on the Americans using communist China and Russia support, which invited overwhelming attention from the US military. OK great you won but at what expense? If you look at other countries how they were able to gain independence and liberty, Vietnam's is one of the, if not THE bloodiest. For example India, Philippines and South Africa had relatively peaceful revolutions and not as much civilian casualties and destruction.
AccordGTR 6 months ago
War is a political tool to try and impose its' political will on another nation. The US lost the political war and therefore the military war as well. It was a pointless war with the US trying to prop up a corrupt and unpopular government in the south. If you don't have the support of the people you won't win. The US didn't and lost. No different for the Russians in Afganistan. The North Vietnamese understood this and won the war the best way they could, politically. A win is a win.
trevorpom 1 year ago
"War is a political tool to try and impose its' political will on another nation"
What a terribly cliche thing to say, war existed long long before political systems. Nor is it specific to humans, lions kill other groups of lions, wolves kill other groups wolves and it's certainly not to impose their political will.
smoochym 1 year ago
@smoochym Just because it's a cliche doesn't make it untrue. As for lions and wolves it's all about territory and game, we just complicate it just that little bit further by adding power, influence and trade to it, that's politics for you. By the way ants were making war long before lions, wolves, humans and dinosaurs ever did.
trevorpom 1 year ago
@trevorpom
Fuck the politics!! I just want some Vietnamese Pussy!!!
tumsabai1 1 year ago
What is this term "collateral damage", Greendude? Does it mean kids on fire running down the road? Babies born deformed years afterwards? Mothers crying in the night because they have suckled kids and watched them killed/ Whole villages and food stores burnt to the ground?
No wonder Americans are so hated throughout the world. You use BS terms to hide the truth.
BTW, NATO's Rules of Engagement did not apply during the Vietnam War, because NATO was not a party to the War.
theeurocrat 1 year ago
Your comments are really hilarious, greendude33. It is hardly surprising that the US tended to beat the North when they met face to face. That's about like a fifteen-year-old shouting about how he "beat the shit" out of a five-year-old in the schoolyard. Economically and militarily, the US was hundreds of times more powerful than North Vietnam. The US lost (yes, LOST) because it stupidly did not understand the psychological impact that the war was having on its own population. Ho Chi Minh did.
theeurocrat 1 year ago
"From January through 15. December 1967, 122 960 attack sorties were flown in Rolling Thunder route packages I-V and in Laos. Air attacks destroyed or damaged 5261 motor vehicles, 2475 railroad rolling stock, etc... The enemy has been able to replace or rehabilitate many of the items damaged or destroyed, and transport inventories are roughly at the same level they were at the begining of the year..." from Adm. U. S. Grant Sharp, to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, January 1. 1968.
S300V 1 year ago
@S300V The United States met it's military objectives in Vietnam the south was under US protection and the North casualties dwarfed the US casualties. Vietnam was just a long dragged out police work that caused political and media pressure.
Vietnam was a military victory but a politcal disaster, the North under the rain of Hell from the USAF were forced to sign the Treaty it wasn't until the US left that the North went back and took the South. This is why the US leaves bases everywhere now.
Greendude33 1 year ago
@Greendude33 In this case the US couldnt leave bases, it could no longer defend the South, so its a defeat. The final bombings were only there so the US could back out of the war saying they ve done everything in their power. Vietnam conflict had no real objectives, other than protect the South. That failed, end of story.
S300V 1 year ago
@S300V Are you in Denial?
The North didnt retake the south untill the US left, they didn't have the spine to try that while the US forces were there. Look at the Tet Offensive it just failed miserably for them.
The US just lost support for the conflict. Then the lying North broke their contract with the south once the US left and retook it. They got the shit beat out of them, went and hid until the big dog got bored.
Greendude33 1 year ago
@Greendude33 Not realy, they were just smarter than the big stupid dog. Btw the dog went home for a reason...maybe because it couldnt take it anymore?It cost more to detroy the targets than they actually worth! Did the US save the south or not? That is the question. Also you talk about spine here, when it was the US forces who only dared to kill from 30000ft up and not up close and personal. Its even worse today!
S300V 1 year ago
@Greendude33 The true was you were forced to sign Treaty and pull out.You defence is ridiculous.Small solace for big loss?
50poiuyt 1 year ago
What did they ever do to deserve that .............Nothing !!
simonantz 1 year ago
@simonantz They deserved it b/c they fired back.
Read NATO's Rules of Engagement Protocols before you comment again.
Greendude33 1 year ago
After this bombing.... was that not when that treaty was signed, which had the North would hault their offenses and the U.S. would withdraw and the north and south would remain divided?
coolazice2003 1 year ago
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34 of those were shot down during the infamous 1972 Christmas Bombing of Hanoi, North Vietnam, from Dec 18 till Dec 29, 1972.
AP reported "at this rate, the B-52s will soon disappear from sight!"
Kudos for the Vietnamese Air Defense (and the SAM missiles), for after that episode it was over for any US carpet bombing of civilian areas at least in the North! ;-)
of course, over a hundred crew members were taken prisoners...
shillyshallyz 1 year ago 18
@shillyshallyz Haha shot down American planes haha with what Chopstick guns? Bamboo sligshots? Before this campaign the US cut all NV supply lines and crushed their cowardly hiding spots in Cambodia. NV was getting ass fucked that's why they signed the treaty. (over 2 million NV and Cong fighters died at the hands of America's firepower)
Also the American F4 Pahtom had a 30:1 kill ratio over the inferior Gook pilots, the most one sided air battle in history.
Greendude33 1 year ago
@Greendude33 stop the bullshit and start to grow up
do some reading and educate yourself
you don't expect your family and friends to be proud of you, do you?
shillyshallyz 1 year ago
@shillyshallyz Educate Myself? Im the one using facts whereas you respond with petty insults and ad hominems.
Vietnam went as planned for the US military, the US had Air Supremacy, ground control and they slaughtered 2 million NV and Cong fighters compared to 58,000 american losses.
Vietnam was a political disaster and media misinformation frenzy, but from a military stand point the US bent Vietnam over and raped it.
Greendude33 1 year ago
@Greendude33 Realy 2million NV? Is that with or without women and children?
US forces often kill civilians in their recent conflicts even thought they use smart weapons! Imagine back than with all those unguided bombs! Btw they achived nothing in Vietnam, the vietcong remained active and they were the real players there, not the NVA.
S300V 1 year ago
@S300V I said 2 million NV and NC FIGHTERS can't you read?
Also so you know the US takes more precautions to limit collateral damage than any other nation.
The US from a military standpoint met all their major objectives, it wasn't untill the US left that the North disregared the Treaty they signed and overan the defenseless South.
As for the Cong, they were cowards they used Asymetric Warfare tactics and then would retreat when the fight got to scary.
Greendude33 1 year ago
@Greendude33 First of all its almost 4million vietnamese dead. From this about 650-800 thousand fighters dead(the exact figure is unknown because many people disappeared). Secondly: "Indochina is devoid of decisive military objectives..." ....The principal sources of Viet Minh military supply lie outside Indocina." Analysis by the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the French involvement in Indochina. 1954. (This was even more true later!)
S300V 1 year ago
@S300V The Estimate for Cong andNV forces were 2 to 2.5 million. (Britianica). Yes there were civilian casualties, but if you think a couple million is something why don't you go to a WW2 museum and tell someone that they'd be insulted.
The US complied with all NATO ROE's and with the Geneva Conventions I dont hear anyone whining about the Cong's torture of POW's and slaughter of South civilians who were against them.
Greendude33 1 year ago
U.S.A was losing, so U.S.A acted like a crazy dog. The action of B-52 dropping is just like a crazy dog that bites everything everyone when it has no hope
KatiushaVN4 2 years ago
@KatiushaVN4 The US was neve losing in Vietnam, every military objective was met, the Tet Offensive was crushed, and the American airstrikes pounded them into submission.
American Casualties 58,000 Vietnamese over 4 million.
Vietnam was a poltical and media diaster within America, but from a military standpoint it was sucessful.
Greendude33 1 year ago
@Greendude33 I have one simple question for you. Who is in power in Vietnam today. America or the Communist north?
trevorpom 1 year ago
@trevorpom Vietnam was just a small piece in the chess match between the US and the USSR, the US military went to Vietnam and did its job. We killed 4 million gook commies and had control of the entire southern part of the country. It was political and social pressure from within the US that stopped the war not the tunnel gooks.
The US got it's revenge in Afghanistan and we sucessfully destroyed the USSR.
Checkmate. America has been unopposed in power ever since.
Greendude33 1 year ago
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@Greendude33 You didn't answer the question did you? I wonder why.................
trevorpom 1 year ago
@Greendude33 i hate communists as well, but i prefer you don't use the word gook as i am asian. everything else i agree with
ajsaccount1991 1 year ago
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udical 10 months ago
@trevorpom
I'll answer. The Communists are. They won the war. The second war, the one they started after the US left the theater. And they only won it because Democrats in the US Congress would not fund South Vietnam, as we had promised them we would, nor would they allow US aircraft to resume bombing of the north. As is their way then and ever since Democrats side with the Communists.
dogsbd 1 year ago
@dogsbd The arvn were the most unreliable troops in the theater, no matter how much money you could have thrown at them they still would have lost. My father fought in Vietnam and part of that was training the arvn. He says that you couldn't trust them an inch and the number of firing range incidents where he had to disarm them at pistol point was beyond belief. The Vietcong had infiltrated them to the point that they were totally unreliable and in no way to be trusted.
trevorpom 1 year ago
@trevorpom Trusted to do what, support US? What do you expect, they would rather serve a Vietnamese master than a foreign one. The Americans were just the last of a long line of imperial forces occupying Vietnam over 30 years. Your mistake was believing US was there to free the people when it was only serving a the military industrial complex and a corrupt South Vietnamese dictator who was not serving the people of Vietnam. US lost the political war before it lost militarily.
AccordGTR 6 months ago
@dogsbd vietnam was biggest us victory, USA totally destroyed economy of socialistic block, and after war kissinger got all contracts from vietnamese and gave them IMF credists, total victory for USA
udical 10 months ago
Russians pulled out their ships just before, we couldn't bomb massive til Nixon won. April 12th 2010 Iran gets bombed by Israel, 0-5 hundred hours.
Knugabug 2 years ago
lol if they had b 52s in Battlefeild Vietnam, WE could do this on Christmas lol
Sarge679 2 years ago
Merry Christmas, Hanoi!
cyberarmy007 2 years ago
I wish we had done this sooner, we had them pretty messed up after the Christmas 72' bombings.
Austinjoke 2 years ago
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@Austinjoke Finally you had escape from our country in disgraceful panic.You lost,we won.
50poiuyt 1 year ago