Didn't the 2009 Star Trek movie by J.J Abrams just fuck up the time line in the entire Star Trek franchise? Vulcan was never destroyed at anytime in the previous Star Trek shows or movies...
@gotchaf4i It's an alternate reality/timeline/universe, so I don't think so. This is a timeline separate from the original. And since Spock Prime is still there, I'd say his time is still intact.
Why did they make a hole appear in the planet? Black holes are spherical. And what's with the weird flashing lights? Light cannot escape from a black hole. If there was light it would only be visible from the core of the singularity, or if you were moving towards it at the speed of light or faster. And even if you could see the light, it would appear red because of the redshift. A black "hole" is not really a hole, a hole was simply the easiest way to illustrate the effects of a black hole's gr
@Luna7871 Just an observation, Light can escape a Black Hole in Quasars, in Hawking radiations or in the reflection of particles that didn't entered in the horizon yet, and since a black hole have magnetic charge, everything with the same polarity would be reflected instead of dragged.
For instance, our Galaxy have a super-massive black hole that seems thousands times brighter than our sun.
@CaraNitrus The black hole in our galaxy is dark. It does not have any matter emitting light around it. The only way they detected it was by analyzing the orbits of nearby stars.
@Luna7871 Light can escape from near a black hole just fine. ie, if you happen to be crushing the matter of a planet into a very dense state.
Now the thing that I find a bit silly about this animation is that a new black hole that was absorbing a planets matter would not exert more gravity than the mass it had consumed, so the planet wouldn't collapse this fast. It would collapse at a rate less than it's own gravity. Wouldn't make for a dramatic scene I guess.
I don't normally geek-out about this shit, but if Vulcan is 16 light-years away (94 trillion miles) at the Enterprise's current max warp (7), it would take about 9 days to reach the planet. Yet Kirk and Spock arrived within minutes to hours (?) just in time to see Vulcan go down the rabbit hole...either Nero had dull drill bits or the Enterprise pulled warp-9.99 out of J.J.'s arse.
@therunningman09 they were travelling 680 times faster than the speed of light (warp 7). Still, it would take 9 days yet they arrived in minutes to hours. Anyhoo. Like I noted - just my personal moment of geek. Still enjoyed the new cast and movie.
@truedude30 Well, JJ's version of Trek is going to play fast and loose with the science from now on; it may be that they reset the warp scale. And it seemed from the dialogue that Enterprise's max speed was around Warp 4. I liked the movie as an action flick - as a Trek fan, I was philosophical about it. Nemesis flopped and Enterprise got canceled. This is Trek, now. We might as well try to enjoy it.
why didn't they use dense mass/matter stuff against borg cubes?...unless a core is needed, where as borg cubes don't have certain types of ideal cores.
According to the logic of Star Trek 2009 the planet Vulcan just jumped through time, because black holes are now time travel portals. Maybe it'll reappear in the next movie. ;)
@hafabee I'm sorry to say, but that principle probably doesn't apply the way you're hoping. Besides, even if it did come back, it would basically just be an asteroid field
@wiseidiot5763 then why was Spock's little ship or the Narada able to go through the black hole and get tossed backwards through time and not get turned into spaghetti
Whats more is that this universe will travel back in time to Zefram Cochrane, along with Voyager when it goes back and may not stop that bloke in the 20th century...
And again and again the universes will keep going back in time. That one event in time on this film that one travel in time will cause so many alternate (5th dimensional) universes.
And thats not half the story. No wonder there are temporal agents in the future, or in the one set future.
@realitycheckman87 Not necessarily. Though it was never really elaborated on in the movie J.J. Abrams was talking about how the timeline is constantly trying to 'fix' itself, and now that Nero's gone it could try and make the best with what it has, thus meaning that everything else important to Trek could return, just in a different manner.
The black hole was created in the center of Vulcan. Spock was outside the black hole when it was created. Thus he was able to be taken in as whole, instead of piece by piece.
@Muffinfordinner I don't really think that the singularity created by the Red Matter is a black hole, rather, a sophisticated wormhole with the properties of a black hole and the ability to transcend space-time, which means that right now there could be two identical planets in the universe, both Vulcan.
Are you crazy? The effect of moving come from our biological eyes. It's when the light penetrates our eyes to see, called red shift. When something is moving is then a cause of the gravitational force and time, not red matter. Red matter, for now, is not provable. Not saying that it doesn't exist, as I heard in a physics documentary about red matter and as well white matter. Don't remember them, unfortunately.
This is a cool clip. But it IS unrealistic. To create a black hole, you need to have a mass 8 times that of the Sun. That's ALOT of mass for something they can, in the movie, fit in a syringe. If the droplet of red matter is 8 times the mass of the sun, the inward pull of gravity should ALREADY crush it into a black hole. It won't need heat. When a massive star dies, the black hole is created by the crushing implosion, and the core is compacted to a point of infinite density: a singularity.
Well der, that's how a black hole would be formed naturally. Red matter however is a sufficiently advanced technology to be indistinguishable from magic. Instead of calling it magic, you're calling it unrealistic. Gee, that must mean replicators are also unrealistic, since to get a beef sandwich one must have the cow and grind it into beef patty. Sorry, but your comment is asinine in the most criminal of ways, stifling imagination and possibilities by labelling them as 'unrealistic'. It's Sci-fi
Watch the episode of The Universe on the History Channel where they actually talk about "red matter" in their sci-fi episode. You'll be surprised they're saying the same thing I'm saying. And I don't think magic has anything do to with Star Trek. It's Sci-Fi like you said. Not Harry Potter or Twilight. And I'm "stifling creativity with asinine and criminal comments"? Jeez I was just making an observation as to how out there yet admittedly cool the clip was. Cool your warp jets, Scotty.
actually the do have the capacity to just vanish. evidence of such i refer you to stephen hawking whos research actually indicates that a blackhole can indeed just disappear and stop growing or it will consume itself due to the fact that it has nothing left to consume but itself. And we can assume that this is part of the red matters functionality. Thank god Hawking is British :D he rocks
im sorry but this scene kind of annoyed me. black holes do not behave like that. wheres the gravitational red shift at the event horizon? why is there lightning in the black hole? and the way it slowly works its way out the planet is bullshit.
black holes constantly shrink and will eventually evapourate depending on the amount of matter that enters the event horizon and is emitted as radiation from its poles.
I disagree. I think seeing a planet being sucked from the inside by a black hole is fantastic. It's a very unique scene, no one had pulled anything like this before with CGI.
Did you record your screen with a potato?
3DPlanets 1 month ago 2
If you zoom in you can see the arrow that the planet takes to it's knee.
wii2050 1 month ago
i like the divided by zero jokes, but enough, cuz u wish doing that will cause BLACK HOLE
BoyArmor 1 month ago
Brought to you by "Oreck" the Universe's strongest vacuum.
Nueroactive 2 months ago
As useless as it was, I thought it was funny.
BillyJimOMFG 2 months ago
Didn't the 2009 Star Trek movie by J.J Abrams just fuck up the time line in the entire Star Trek franchise? Vulcan was never destroyed at anytime in the previous Star Trek shows or movies...
gotchaf4i 2 months ago
@gotchaf4i It's an alternate reality/timeline/universe, so I don't think so. This is a timeline separate from the original. And since Spock Prime is still there, I'd say his time is still intact.
PeachWookiee 2 months ago
WHO THE FUCK DIVIDED BY ZERO!?!?!??!!?!?!?!??
bolden0000 2 months ago
CaraNitrus Excellent observation. In my earlier comment I was referring to normal black holes.
Luna7871 3 months ago
This is a good lesson to be learned. NEVER Google Google!
vetwannabe8ball 4 months ago
i hate the fact that planet Vulcan was destroyed.
whitecloadsscareme1 5 months ago 5
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
MrTr0llol 6 months ago
planet vulcan gets "owned"? what kind of stupid title is that!?
kallemick 6 months ago
This looked cool but I think trying to conceptualize what it would actually do would be much much more trippy.
phuturephunk 7 months ago
Why did they make a hole appear in the planet? Black holes are spherical. And what's with the weird flashing lights? Light cannot escape from a black hole. If there was light it would only be visible from the core of the singularity, or if you were moving towards it at the speed of light or faster. And even if you could see the light, it would appear red because of the redshift. A black "hole" is not really a hole, a hole was simply the easiest way to illustrate the effects of a black hole's gr
Luna7871 7 months ago
@Luna7871 Dude it's just a movie to be enjoyed. Stop thinking so hard
gigoer 4 months ago
@Luna7871 Just an observation, Light can escape a Black Hole in Quasars, in Hawking radiations or in the reflection of particles that didn't entered in the horizon yet, and since a black hole have magnetic charge, everything with the same polarity would be reflected instead of dragged.
For instance, our Galaxy have a super-massive black hole that seems thousands times brighter than our sun.
CaraNitrus 3 months ago
@CaraNitrus The black hole in our galaxy is dark. It does not have any matter emitting light around it. The only way they detected it was by analyzing the orbits of nearby stars.
aluisious 2 months ago
@Luna7871 Light can escape from near a black hole just fine. ie, if you happen to be crushing the matter of a planet into a very dense state.
Now the thing that I find a bit silly about this animation is that a new black hole that was absorbing a planets matter would not exert more gravity than the mass it had consumed, so the planet wouldn't collapse this fast. It would collapse at a rate less than it's own gravity. Wouldn't make for a dramatic scene I guess.
aluisious 2 months ago
awesome but unrealistic and fake, like plastic tits...
TheInspector3000 7 months ago 3
A ballsy thing to do in the new movie. Star Trek has never been brave enough to do things like this
Can't wait for the next one
gigoer 10 months ago 2
@gigoer I agree. And don't forget that the Romulus in the 'proper' reality was destroyed too.
bluenail03 8 months ago
is that richard gere´s ass?
dongerado 10 months ago
I don't normally geek-out about this shit, but if Vulcan is 16 light-years away (94 trillion miles) at the Enterprise's current max warp (7), it would take about 9 days to reach the planet. Yet Kirk and Spock arrived within minutes to hours (?) just in time to see Vulcan go down the rabbit hole...either Nero had dull drill bits or the Enterprise pulled warp-9.99 out of J.J.'s arse.
truedude30 1 year ago
@truedude30 they were travelling faster than light
therunningman09 11 months ago
@therunningman09 they were travelling 680 times faster than the speed of light (warp 7). Still, it would take 9 days yet they arrived in minutes to hours. Anyhoo. Like I noted - just my personal moment of geek. Still enjoyed the new cast and movie.
truedude30 11 months ago
@truedude30 Right, ah it's not the first time a movie f-ed up on the science, and sure as hell won't be the last.
therunningman09 11 months ago
@truedude30 Well, JJ's version of Trek is going to play fast and loose with the science from now on; it may be that they reset the warp scale. And it seemed from the dialogue that Enterprise's max speed was around Warp 4. I liked the movie as an action flick - as a Trek fan, I was philosophical about it. Nemesis flopped and Enterprise got canceled. This is Trek, now. We might as well try to enjoy it.
KNS1996DFS 8 months ago
@KNS1996DFS I agree.
truedude30 8 months ago
@KNS1996DFS Enterprise had potential, damn shame they canceled it, if you ask me.
CrazyBear65 6 months ago
@KNS1996DFS Star Trek always played fast and loose with science.
aluisious 2 months ago
Shit! Somebody down there divided by zero!
F14ace 1 year ago 18
@F14ace A most illogical choice of mathematic problem.
CFitzm777 2 weeks ago
Noobs just got pwned XD
ZeeThree33 1 year ago
haha N()()l3 it's called pwnd. lulz.
666lilnickY 1 year ago
That looks fun...
Blacktide212 1 year ago
why didn't they use dense mass/matter stuff against borg cubes?...unless a core is needed, where as borg cubes don't have certain types of ideal cores.
MrConundrum2020 1 year ago
This is how we teach the galaxy about Terran superiority and our contempt for the universe...
..
How else are they going to learn...?
jackanoryjames 1 year ago
This just goes to show: Never divide by zero.
Trans4mers8456 1 year ago
because of sulus cock up vulcan was destroyed
luigi19987 1 year ago
According to the logic of Star Trek 2009 the planet Vulcan just jumped through time, because black holes are now time travel portals. Maybe it'll reappear in the next movie. ;)
hafabee 1 year ago
@hafabee I'm sorry to say, but that principle probably doesn't apply the way you're hoping. Besides, even if it did come back, it would basically just be an asteroid field
wiseidiot5763 1 year ago
@wiseidiot5763 then why was Spock's little ship or the Narada able to go through the black hole and get tossed backwards through time and not get turned into spaghetti
hafabee 1 year ago
@hafabee I guess because there ships were shielded?^^
TOK150 1 year ago
@TOK150 yeah, I guess, that's probably a good an answer as any!
hafabee 1 year ago
PWNED
SHdudeproductions 1 year ago
USS enterprise just passing by the planet destroyed by black hole,WTF...
LUXITANIE 1 year ago
How is it that the black hole disappeared after sucking up Vulcan, but the one that sucked up the supernova kept going?
wiseidiot5763 1 year ago
@wiseidiot5763 It did not disappear. Just like any black hole it can't be seen, but it is there.
1000FireEagles 1 year ago
@wiseidiot5763 more matter inside the supernova for the black hole to get rid of before it disapates. And yes black holes do slowly fall apart.
JWLuke787 1 year ago
didn't spock create that black hole to save romulus? Failing in the process?
gamerlegend 1 year ago
HaHaHA i like your choice of words ;P gets owned by black hole hahaha xD Owned xD
bulluis 1 year ago
cheese, this shit on a IMAX ...
arthurschl 1 year ago
Does this mean that tuvok from voyager series won't exsist In this timeline? O.o
realitycheckman87 2 years ago
Whats more is that this universe will travel back in time to Zefram Cochrane, along with Voyager when it goes back and may not stop that bloke in the 20th century...
And again and again the universes will keep going back in time. That one event in time on this film that one travel in time will cause so many alternate (5th dimensional) universes.
And thats not half the story. No wonder there are temporal agents in the future, or in the one set future.
SVWillmer 2 years ago
@realitycheckman87 Not necessarily. Though it was never really elaborated on in the movie J.J. Abrams was talking about how the timeline is constantly trying to 'fix' itself, and now that Nero's gone it could try and make the best with what it has, thus meaning that everything else important to Trek could return, just in a different manner.
HELLOPEOPLEPEOPLEHI 2 years ago
Maybe, Tuvok was born 4 years after this, but on a Vulcan lunar colony. So if his parents were already on that colony, they might have survived.
spork24601 2 years ago
@spork24601
the timeline changed...tuvok is history
calvingmail 1 year ago 9
@calvingmail
His grandparents may have survived
but this is Star Trek according to another universe
IletrikBJ131225 1 year ago
Least the kids who bullied him are dead now lol
SpartanX189 2 years ago
@SpartanX189 lol
1bulma1 1 year ago
If the black hole destroyed the planet, why did it send spock back in time rather than killing him?
Muffinfordinner 2 years ago
The black hole was created in the center of Vulcan. Spock was outside the black hole when it was created. Thus he was able to be taken in as whole, instead of piece by piece.
HELLOPEOPLEPEOPLEHI 2 years ago
@Muffinfordinner I don't really think that the singularity created by the Red Matter is a black hole, rather, a sophisticated wormhole with the properties of a black hole and the ability to transcend space-time, which means that right now there could be two identical planets in the universe, both Vulcan.
Renji9031 1 year ago
This was soo sad, nevertheless I hope they expand on this alternate universe. I like the actors better lol.
SpiritofVersaille 2 years ago
looks like the state of Taxifornia
aceyorba 2 years ago
You do know that all of the black holes generated by ther CERN project, would evaporate instantly due to Hawking Radiation.
ifly6 2 years ago
thats the CERN project
thegtagamerz 2 years ago 2
red matter is actully the affect that we see something moving away from us at great speeds nearing the speed of light
smallvillian1007 2 years ago
@smallvillian1007 You're probably referring to "red shift" which is an optical effect, not a kind of matter.
gabedamien 2 years ago 4
You're correct, and its a unit of measurement not actually matter at all xD.
SpiritofVersaille 2 years ago
@smallvillian1007
Are you crazy? The effect of moving come from our biological eyes. It's when the light penetrates our eyes to see, called red shift. When something is moving is then a cause of the gravitational force and time, not red matter. Red matter, for now, is not provable. Not saying that it doesn't exist, as I heard in a physics documentary about red matter and as well white matter. Don't remember them, unfortunately.
PhysicsCardiology 2 years ago
like cern
MPPproducciones 2 years ago
Oh My God!! they killed Kenny,er I mean Vulcan!!!!
YOU BASTURDS!!!!!!
megacide84 2 years ago 4
This is a cool clip. But it IS unrealistic. To create a black hole, you need to have a mass 8 times that of the Sun. That's ALOT of mass for something they can, in the movie, fit in a syringe. If the droplet of red matter is 8 times the mass of the sun, the inward pull of gravity should ALREADY crush it into a black hole. It won't need heat. When a massive star dies, the black hole is created by the crushing implosion, and the core is compacted to a point of infinite density: a singularity.
silversoftCEO 2 years ago
True, but remember: 'tis science FICTION.
Trans4mers8456 2 years ago 3
As long as they don't put this on Nat Geo, I have no quarrel with it xD
silversoftCEO 2 years ago
OH COME ON. This is supposed to be fantasy. D;
InsertZipCode 2 years ago
Science-fiction, not fantasy.
fpsBeaTt 2 years ago
Well der, that's how a black hole would be formed naturally. Red matter however is a sufficiently advanced technology to be indistinguishable from magic. Instead of calling it magic, you're calling it unrealistic. Gee, that must mean replicators are also unrealistic, since to get a beef sandwich one must have the cow and grind it into beef patty. Sorry, but your comment is asinine in the most criminal of ways, stifling imagination and possibilities by labelling them as 'unrealistic'. It's Sci-fi
fpsBeaTt 2 years ago
Watch the episode of The Universe on the History Channel where they actually talk about "red matter" in their sci-fi episode. You'll be surprised they're saying the same thing I'm saying. And I don't think magic has anything do to with Star Trek. It's Sci-Fi like you said. Not Harry Potter or Twilight. And I'm "stifling creativity with asinine and criminal comments"? Jeez I was just making an observation as to how out there yet admittedly cool the clip was. Cool your warp jets, Scotty.
silversoftCEO 2 years ago 2
Sorry:P Thy do get energised too readily.
fpsBeaTt 2 years ago
Haha. It's alright mate.
silversoftCEO 2 years ago
AmericanFighter1212 STFU punk ass, just a movie not a science lesson.
w00dy101 2 years ago 2
Fake.... Black holes dont look like that at all......... It wouldnt just vanish, thats stupid, It would leave remnants...
AmericanFighter1212 2 years ago
It's still there, but there is nothing left to have light reflect from derbies around it, and the hole its self can't emit light.
WoAzMM 2 years ago
Actually, in a sense it can during consumption. It shoots out streams of energy. Have you heard of quasars?
fpsBeaTt 2 years ago
You fight for your accident of birth geographic region caused by plate tectonics? Hm...
D31u5i0n 2 years ago
.... Are you trying to be funny? Fucking loser get a life.
AmericanFighter1212 2 years ago
actually the do have the capacity to just vanish. evidence of such i refer you to stephen hawking whos research actually indicates that a blackhole can indeed just disappear and stop growing or it will consume itself due to the fact that it has nothing left to consume but itself. And we can assume that this is part of the red matters functionality. Thank god Hawking is British :D he rocks
ThomasWHill 2 years ago
i read a poll that %70 of Americans think hes American-a little tweaking to his computer and we can convince the world hes Klingon!
bulked 2 years ago
@bulked hahahaha klingon speaking hawking..... british klingons...... hmms wtf lol
ThomasWHill 1 year ago
Now that the Young Spock know what will happen to Romulus and Vulcan he can change events and everything will be different, again.
fambrandon3737 2 years ago
Actually, it would create an alternate reality where Spock changed the future.
ANYTHING THAT CAN HAPPEN WILL HAPPEN IN ANY OF THE ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.
OhGawDuhhh 2 years ago
@fambrandon3737 Well, he can save Romulus... not Vulcan though (1 year later, hi)
WilliamABoi 1 year ago
volound, it's a film, no-one has seen a planet pulled into a black hole's event horizon, I think they did a pretty good job. :)
eweruh 2 years ago 4
frankly, nobody has seen a black hole but we still know how they behave.
WE still know how they behave.
volound 2 years ago 3
im sorry but this scene kind of annoyed me. black holes do not behave like that. wheres the gravitational red shift at the event horizon? why is there lightning in the black hole? and the way it slowly works its way out the planet is bullshit.
volound 2 years ago 4
I guess they just did it this way because it would make the scene too long if they had made it scientifically accurate.
GavinJ06 2 years ago 3
and the fact that its an artificial black hole might have something to do with the lightning o.o
potterpower2006 2 years ago
its like a cloud, massive ammounts of dust at such high speeds cause friction and mass amounts of static electricity to the point of firm visibility
CoSzaro17 2 years ago
yes, but these would discharge earlier and would be on a much smaller scale.
these lightning bolts are clearly visible.
volound 2 years ago
i love the film and its killer effects!
0ojoliveruleso0 2 years ago 4
Where do blak holes go to??? I have no clue!!!
dingdongditch1000 2 years ago 3
black holes constantly shrink and will eventually evapourate depending on the amount of matter that enters the event horizon and is emitted as radiation from its poles.
volound 2 years ago 3
they dont, they super compress u to pure energy and shoot u out
CoSzaro17 2 years ago
the opposite of compress actually.
volound 2 years ago
oh. ma bad
CoSzaro17 2 years ago 2
lololololol
SugarbloodSB 2 years ago 17
@SugarbloodSB
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MoonarEclipse 1 year ago
LAWL! PWNED!
overlordblinky 2 years ago 5
just awesome, saw it today loved the film :)
crammen90vegeta 2 years ago 6
I disagree. I think seeing a planet being sucked from the inside by a black hole is fantastic. It's a very unique scene, no one had pulled anything like this before with CGI.
Elentor 2 years ago 31
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you need to make one of the final black hole because that one was way cooler. or if you know where i can find it that would be cool too
mattwatchesvids 2 years ago
That very thing scares the crap out of me.
MegamanNG 2 years ago 4