Buddhism and Quantum Physics -1

[wotan237]

I thought atoms were just empty space, physical matter is an illusion

[MrBaboonArse]

How come there aren't any notable Buddhist scientists? I mean practicing Buddhists who have made notable contributions to science. I've been Googling round for ages and can't find a single one. All other religions have heaps of such scientists. Weird.

[dumalindika]

@MrBaboonArse Steve Jobs . visionary man in the world

[highlander355]

@MrBaboonArse Why is that weird? Do you think that simply because there are parallels between Buddhism and Science that you believe Buddhists should have notable contributions to Science? How about notable contributions to peace? Heaps....really?

[MotherTelesa64]

誰か翻訳してくれー！

transelation jp plz

[MegaFargone]

It would seem that the intrinsic principles of reasoning relationships requires the actual necessity of comprehension to see what we know, this was the objective to hermeneutics in the exercise and practice of thought to define cause and affects in any social physical relationship IE Health Education and scientific exploration the key becomes the factor why which sets the path of a goal in any application which questions the our technological direction. See Adam Eve Old Test= they became aware.

[MegaFargone]

Reality is not the physical universe, its the use of words which conflicts with the transfer in comprehension, the question of quantum physics asks the question why to an understanding, what is the goal, reality it three fold ? the physical and then the intrinsic principles the rest is what we do, the moment is perpetual and always physically changing, there are layers of bouyancy withing the physics of energy in relativity to density of the speed of matter, there are multiple forms of energy

[MegaFargone]

@MegaFargone cont- energy, including conscious energy which we are not able to measure, so if life exists in another dimension and space travel would be possible it would relate to the fact that matter in the form that we perceive would not be condusive to a density at the speed of light being physically impossible as it would be similar to smashing atoms, this would explain that another dimension exists where there is a mastery in the use of energies and this would also explain the possibilty

[MegaFargone]

@MegaFargone cont- possibility that extraterestrial intelligent life forms do exist which would be the next evolution of humanity as a maturing intelligent species questioning our whole concept in philosophic religious economic ideology, Quantum physics should relate to the principles and physics of thought there is no quantum physics, intelligence is affected by pretended knowledge, comprehension is conditioned through intrinsic principles to cause and effect, replacing the yin yang theory

[JurassicPlank]

Atom is merely a word that depicts a model which corresponds to current understanding.

[arefatx]

If you are buddish, you should belive in the existing of Dragon :)

[mykegoh]

@arefatx U're ignorant. Dragon is not real and buddhist never believe in a god. There are also no holy book for buddhism because buddhism is a teaching and not a religion.

[arefatx]

@mykegoh ah.. if buddism never believe in GOD, they should not develop this video because this video is related to the concept of ENERGY derived from Albert Einstein and Albert Einstein believe in GOD. I undestand what this video is trying to convey. You didn't understand. It's funny, when u said u never believe in a god but u came here to watch this video?. So you might interesting with Stephen Hawking theory that this universe created itself ?

[mykegoh]

@arefatx ..ah.. if buddism never believe in GOD, they should not develop this video because this video is related to the concept of ENERGY derived from Albert Einstein and Albert Einstein believe in GOD..

U're using computer system made by bill gates' company who is tilted towards atheism, do tht makes u an atheist..?? Your watching a buddhist vid, how funny can you be.

cont ..1

[mykegoh]

@arefatx ...Gates: In terms of doing things I take a fairly scientific approach to why things happen and how they happen. I don't know if there's a god or not, but I think religious principles are quite valid....

Do you know what tilted means.?

Exactly, u and bill has no relation and not likely to embrace each other's beliefs.

Then why say this vid is associated with einstein's belief.? Moreover, einstein was also tilted towards atheism.

[arefatx]

@mykegoh Allright I give up my friend. Human beings have the right to believe whatever they believe. I know that. So, please don't we fight each other because of this small matter. Peace .. .

[mykegoh]

@arefatx Peace...

[mcpencil]

@arefatx

bill gates is not jewish. also, please stop pushing your islamic agenda on this video.

[arefatx]

@mcpencil haha are u blind? i didn't say gates are jewish. i said he is atheist. u shouldn't comment that on me because u just made urself like crap now.

[mcpencil]

@arefatx

quote from you: "First, Bill Gates is Judaism and not atheis."

[arefatx]

@mcpencil no i didn't write that. dont try to misled people here.

[mcpencil]

@arefatx

hahahaha you just deleted your comment. Nice one! Honestly, how sad does it feel to take the opinions of random stangers on youtube seriously enough, in order to lie and actually delete your own comments to make it look like you're telling the truth.

[mykegoh]

@arefatx ..U understand wht this video is trying to say? Interesting. First u din know buddhist do not worship god bcos it's only a teaching. Then u think people who refers to einstein should automatically embrace his belief. U forgot to quote einstein also points to buddhism as d future religion over numerous including yours.

N pls, Stephen hawking did nt come up wit big bang theory, he expanded this theory based on initiation of Georges Lemaître, d pioneer of early big bang suggestion.

[arefatx]

@mykegoh I came here not to fight with you on religion but I came here to ask you. What is the prove of this video talking about all this ENERGY but prove nothing? This is like way to promotes religion without no prove.

[arefatx]

I'm not buddism I wanna ask, is there any holy book in buddism? Can anyone name them. So, I can read it. I need to do some research about religious believe.

[mykegoh]

@arefatx Another ignorant statement. U have access to the internet but u can't do a search? See what religion can do to a person.!!!

[arefatx]

@mykegoh What do you mean by what religion can do to a person? Without religion. First I wanna quote this:

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" - by Albert Einstein.

Religion teaches you how to live in this world.

[mykegoh]

@arefatx Religion makes a person obsessed trying to prove their god but not willing to do more research for the truth or admit errors in their religion. People embraced religion b4 reading the texts.

......."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" - by Albert Einstein......

How ignorant of you. Don't quote mine when u don't understand fully what it means. Google the whole sentence to see what u get.

See what religion can do to you.

[arefatx]

@mykegoh You should analyze this video from the starting to the end. You need to understand every words the person above trying to tell you. I came here because of that and look at the related video on your right. It's related to Quantum Physic the way how u find who is GOD.

[mykegoh]

@arefatx Intersting how u assert your understand when u have not even read or know what text buddhist are reffering to in this vid...SO based on what understanding?

[LooksAeterna]

"buddhism" 1:57 "I'll just equate it with quantum physics"

bwaha, so much for THAT talk.

Now I say this as an ex-buddhist who has seriously studied that stuff for more than a decade as a devout follower AND scientist, but "buddhism is scientific" is about the most ignorant thing one might fabricate about it.

[LooksAeterna]

1:11 - 1:14 bogus, an elektron is NOT an example of the classical notion of an atom which would have to be an absolute substance. Hence it cannot have a beginning WITHIN time as according to the standard model electrons did.

[BeamSurfer]

You see, God is witnessing everything you guys are saying , either this, or don't blame and show negativity, who cares, if the mind is everything, and everything you do is an illusion that means that 9-11 actually didn't happen, it means it's all fake, it means we can believe anything, just to re-write the past..... if not, come to reality , which is my side :).

[C0C0nutFace]

Buddhism is a cult for dimwitts who prefer to adopt a fanciful fantasy-explanation for the world rather than actually read a science book.

[isleofyew1]

Please be intimidated by quantum physics and also beware of Buddhist mind fuckers.

[emperorzong]

Should be a good bit of pseudoscience. Where's my cuppa!

[r052476577]

Its called HINDUISM YALL, OLDEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD !

[xmuckwormx]

he unfortunately disregards one of the central aspects of Buddhist realization, that one must practice (mindfulness/meditation for example) in order to gain understanding into the connections between "ultimate" and "conventional" reality, to eventually see how they are the same.

he also unfortunately doesn't make the historical connection between Buddhism and Hinduism with regards to discovery of "quantum reality".

[C0C0nutFace]

So this guy is a 'Buddhist philosopher' and a 'political philosopher', eh? Shame he knows nothing about physics.

[emanon2noname]

suck my large group of (unseen) basic building blocks untill you come to the first discovery of quantim reality all over your face leaving you dripping with (NON SUBTANCHAL MATTER) as you clean off my momentery flashes of reality , :p

[TheIxtlan]

in physic electron, proton, neutrons have no color, no light. It is said that we don't even exist. They mentioned that we fluatuate appearing and dissapearing. Our 5 senses like touch, see, hear, taste, thoughts are all illusion. LOL

[Phyle9]

I agree.

All is illusion.

[MrLeagueOJustice]

@Phyle9

That is a ridiculous statement. Obviously all is not illusion or there would be no one to observe and come up with such an assinine statement as that.

What was meant by the illusiory worlds, in both Bhuddism and mysticism alike, is that outer forms or circumstances are not the life of the Being itself. They play at the ego and therefore they are illusary.

[qaplatlhinganmaH]

Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE

[socratus1]

Science and Religion: Is there a conflict? === . Can a Rational Individual believe in God ? In other words: Can God be atheist, governed by scientific laws? Of course Why? Because if God exists, he must work in an Absolute Reference Frame and have a set of Physical and Mathematical laws to create everything And we  can find and understand this Gods Absolute House and when we can find and understand these Cods Physical Laws

[reaperofgenocide]

Thats very interesting... and i do not disagree. But in the concept of our human science and mathematics it seems as if we are far behind using any of these fields to grasp anything near god. But if we had extra terrestrial we could be closer. Who knows if it would reach gods "physical and mathematical laws". Whether you believe in aliens or not, i think we could agree IF they exist their methods of science and math would be superior if they came to us or flew near us.

[RastafariPoet]

It especially depends what you define as God.

[frednolasco]

@RastafariPoet if you define god as the gathering of all that is "undefineble" i pretty much agree with you!

[RastafariPoet]

@frednolasco

I define God as all that there is. Pantheism

[Stonedassassin92]

@RastafariPoet Well as long as you consider yourself to be a part of all that is, and all forms of life. Then I'd have to agree with you, everything is "god".

[theofrastvs]

ludicrous. The speaker uses language so imprecisely as to be laughable. Buddhism as science. Yeah. Uh-huh.

[g0dEATg0d]

man he was such a great professor

[RSVPentertainment]

we must rid our thinking of divisive doctrines derived from increasingly irrelevant ideological differences.Obviously these lectures, and those like them, advance the unity of our realities and the harmony of all their unique and equally valid expressions...

[corysmolly]

i just wish he was a better speaker.. i subscribe to the theory and the background but damn he sux. Shows that anyone can lecture at purdue...

[g0dEATg0d]

he was my professor at purdue and he was a great professor, it is because of him i want to be a philosopher

[corysmolly]

no accounting for taste i guess..

[4unitedMAN]

it was not buddhism that rescued you from the dark ages, it was ISLAM!!!

[craigMellow]

islam ruined humanity, that we know. pedophile messenger's call for the death of Unbelievers still valid. isnt it?

[4unitedMAN]

wheres your respect? you obviously have no religion and are ignorant to the facts coz you base your opinions on the criminals conclusions. the same people who turned you into science following atheists! im sure science will answer all of life's deep philosophical & scientific questions in YOUR lifetime. good luck!

[nickcarveth]

you dont seem very mellow craig

[CyrusOnline]

@craigMellow

Oh right a set of beliefs that have not 1 iota of difference from jewdism and christianity is what 'destroyed humanity'... not war, not an elite upperclass with 95% of the wealth, not fucking moronic lower class hicks like yourself, it was god loving PEACE loving Muslims. Do some more research before you mouth off a ton of bile and bullshit, you ignorant fuck!

[BeamSurfer]

@craigMellow Oh yeah, and it is Buddhism that calls for death, this state desired you call "nirvana" is nothingness , therefore that's more like Death , and Samsara is more like life , do you get my point bud? And contrary, if the mind is everyhing, then that means i could make a universe which bad things were good and good things were bad, vice verca,

[arefatx]

@craigMellow Islam doesn't and never ruin humanity. Media brainwahsed your brain to make Islam looks bad. Call for the death of unbelievers? Where did you get that funny fact? Oh media.

[MegaFargone]

@craigMellow Whats the point to any religion?

[jomushin7]

@MegaFargone what is the point to you?

[ogfunk187]

@MegaFargone to get people arguing on youtube

[PriorBrian]

@ogfunk187 That's the pinnacle of online society!

[4unitedMAN]

heres something interesting about ISLAM and what we muslims know regarding the universe and its physics, paralell dimensions and beings -read article "Quantum Islam" by Dr Kevin J. Barrett also check out Gordon Creighton's essay: The True Nature Of The 'UFO Entities and Jay Alfreds

Jinns plasma aliens from a parallel Earth. and you'll soon discover ISLAM'S authority and unlimited knowledge on everything seen and unseen.

[SolMaster]

Can Islam tell me the charge on an up quark?

[4unitedMAN]

(proportion of e; +2/3)

wow, these "subatomic principals"are really really usefull to my daily godless existence! lol!

[SolMaster]

So, you're saying that Islam has unlimited knowledge, but only on the things that "are useful"? I'm sensing some circular reasoning here.

Did Islam discover the electron mass?

[4unitedMAN]

unlimited knowledge, yes

but

only on the things that are interpretable by the individual and or mankind according to the everyday evolution of his complex/capacity. The Holy Quraan is much more then just a mere book.(did you not read the article"physics confirm quraanic worldview") this is not circular reasoning history proves otherwise...

[4unitedMAN]

Islam did not discover the electron mass, but would you have discovered this electron mass had it not been for ISLAM involvement in revitalising science, maths,etc with its knowledge during your dark ages

[SolMaster]

I think you're confusing the difference between Islam revitalizing science and the middle east revitalizing science. There is in fact a distinction there. It wasn't Islamic priests that got science back up and running, it was mathematicians and scientists that happened to live in predominately Muslim regions.

The people who developed the atomic bomb were mostly Christians... do we say that Christians invented the A-bomb?

[craigMellow]

dark ages are when idots cry allahu fukbar and fly planes into tall buildings. when they blow up them selves in lodon in the name of non-existing allah (stupid god who created us with 10,000) diseases-wow! whata perfect creation).

grow up! arent you get tired of fairy tales??;)

[trzalica]

Interesting you to mention fairy tales... but still believe that the 'idiots who cry allahu fukbar fly planes into tall buildings', just because it's an official story.

[lunalamin]

nobody in the world had flew into a tall building in the name of Buddha....in fact Buddha is not god....he will not get you to heaven (if such thing existed at all ) because you died for him...

[OxiDemonik]

@lunalamin Something I've noticed. Eastern religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism seem to be centered around "spiritual growth", whereas the western Abrahamic religions seem to be more centered around the obedience towards a god. i.e. control and fear. With that said, Eastern religions are certainly more compatible with scientific discovery e.g. their principles refer to evolution rather than creation and their experience with the nature of reality with quantum mechanics.

[MetalDoneMoreForME]

@lunalamin buddha is dead so he can't help you in life or afterlife since in buddhism there is no hypothesis of an afterlife

[FreeThought10]

You seem to know such little knowledge of Buddhism. Don't tell me, you believe what that amazingatheist said about Buddhism. Ha! He is a retard when it comes to Buddhism. XD

[trzalica]

Why you all attacking me ?

I'm thinking that the Bush, and all that New World Order movement, and people inside of those illuminati, masonic, buildberberg group, etc.. crashed in tall buildings. Certainly not buddhists and shit.

So I replied to craig sarcastically, thinking that.

Of course, I don't support organized religions in any way, but buddhism is not a religion, nor is yoga that I'm fond of.. so I'm closer to buddhism then to atheism or theism.

So quit attacking me already :)

[FreeThought10]

Oh, then you should had specify it was a satire then. :)

[hmt444]

amazing athesit is an idiot , period .

[arefatx]

@craigMellow did u know about 9/11 was inside job?

craigMellow: No

@arefatx: How do you know 9/11 did by muslim

cragMellow: Because CNN told me

@arefatx: So, do you have any idea why they did that?

cragMellow: Because they want to go paradise.

@arefatx: How do you know about that. Their holy book didn't say about that.

cragMellow: CNN told me dude

@arefatx: Thanks.

[C0C0nutFace]

@4unitedMAN If Islam did indeed revitalise science then how come scientific contributions from Islamic societies have always declined steadily? Also, how come some of the pre-Islamic Greek scientific-fallacys are also contained in the Qur'an? (E.g. semen being produced in the spine.) Seems a remarkable coincidence for two sources to share common mistakes don't you think?

[T1Brit]

@4unitedMAN

The golden age you speak of happened because the Caliphate was triumphant and tolerant of differentr cultures - it was Greeks and Persians and all kinds of philosophers of every religion who made the golden age you speak of.

It was not Islam but the tolerant Calphate which made that possible.

The Islam of today is a bastard child of the original - and it is intolerant and backward - the retarded shit that comes from Saudi - not the wisdom of the ancients. Learn some fucking history.

[kusalaviro]

I've read the WHOLE koran and have read nothing like what you're saying except for some vague mentions of jinns!!!

[4unitedMAN]

then you are incompetent, sorry

[kusalaviro]

There's NO creator god. Think about how stupid that is! What a stupid concept, so childish. Grow up and think outside the box!!!!!

[Arodinme6]

The easiest way to tell that this guy is a quack is that he says that an atom is an electron. 'Nuff said.

[originalgrin]

While Grupp, I think, is correct in asserting that "ordinary reality" is full of absurdities, I don't see how his "ulimate reality" fairs any better. It's easy to reject time, space, and matter because you can't provide a consistent description of its nature, but the alternative is a seeming impossibility: how do you construct a world out of utter motionless, random, immateriality? It seems that his philosophy is very extreme, I can see why Buddhism on the whole is contrary to his perspective.

[g0dEATg0d]

hes my favorite professor that ive had so far

[reverendjeremiah]

Well, you start right off telling us not to use what science has taught us. proofs of the inner workings of the atom must be ignored for your philosophy to work..thats not good.

[FaraPhoenix418]

Not at all, he's asking you to consider the word as it was first used:

(quoted from wikipedia)

"In approximately 450 BCE, Democritus coined the term átomos (Greek: ἄτομος), which means "uncuttable" or "the smallest indivisible particle of matter", i.e., something that cannot be divided. Although the Indian and Greek concepts of the atom were based purely on philosophy, modern science has retained the name coined by Democritus."

[reverendjeremiah]

I clearly understand what your comment says because I am a big fan of Democritus. So I am sure that you also know that science, even though its cradle was philosophy, has gone beyond such boundaries. Science no longer depends on philosophy for its core because we have machinery that can view things we could only theorize about in the past. In other words, philosophy is good. But 100% philosophy is bad science, or at least not modern science.

[FaraPhoenix418]

I completely agree that relying on philosophy 100% of the time and not looking beyond it is not a wise idea. In that same respect, I'm beginning to wonder if cutting philosophy out of science (100% science) is also an unwise move. There is a text by the current Dalai Lama entitled "The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and Spirituatlity", and he explains this in a far less rambling way than the gentleman in this video. I recommend it if you'd like a more in depth explanation.

[FaraPhoenix418]

Ah, of course I find the quote I was looking for after I've posted, but Einstein pretty much sums up my earlier ramblings in a far more succinct manner:

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

[reverendjeremiah]

Oh yeah, you are correct. Philosophy can never be wholly severed from science nor should it be. I was discussing the era when science was pretty much 100% philosophy, and thats not good. I think its a great thing for any science minded indivdual to learn philosophy because it is the history of science for so long.

Might I also remind you that we now know, from his most recent revealed letters, that Einstein was an atheist who considered belief in a god to be childish. Budhists agree?