What Cohen is saying usually requires a person to have some kind of peak experience: some lind of life-changing 'vision' of our spiritual state (like he himself has had, apparently). Without this most people's growth will be slow and hampered by personal concerns. But that's okay too. Sometimes you need to spiritually develop 'bottom-up' first before you can take on board the 'weight of the world'. The important thing is that people BEGIN.
I agree with that. I've experiened alot during the last 3 months. These last three months, after becoming integral (you know who Ken Wilber and his philosophy is right?) in my aspiration towards everything. I found how to have peak expreiences and how to sustain them. Always there is much more mindfulness of what is going on, in every situation. That could server as an example of a common ground with Andrew Cohen and my current level of development, although I'm much more familiar with Wilber.
This was very frustrating to watch because they seemed to be at cross purposes. The interviewer has a very good point when he uses the example of a little baby: PHYSICAL growth is a process which cannot be speeded up, and spiritual growth is very much the same. Cohen wants us to just simply 'wake up' to a cosmos-wide sense of context, and focus on the issues facing the world, but how is that worked out on a day-to-day basis? Especially if your own life is a mess?
part2 think you can extract something from a 20 min video, which is not possibile if the material would be really worthy of reflecting. And do you expect solutions for big problems fitting into the intellectual capacity of someone who cant describe the problems? Remember proletarian revolutions or the Nazis, both solutions understood by the uneducated. Do I have to write more?
COnsider this, if you think it´s about self-indulgence: external improvement is necessary, but there are many good reasons to not believe ANYTHING will REALLY change unless YOU change and REALLY THINK and EXPERIENCE by yourself(external change combined with internal to STABILIZE)! BTW: usually people read books to get into the deeper core of knowledge, watching videos on youtube is a gimmick. Your arguments show that you are totally new to this stuff and
Did you ever think about the possibilty of understanding something in anew way instead of just having YOUR CLICHES reproduced so you can say: yeah, that I think too! ?
To me and many others, the message is pretty clear.
Did you ever think about the possibility of understanding something in a new way instead of having YOUR CLICHES reproduced so you can say: yeah, that´s what I`m thinking too(oh how cool I am!)? To me, it´s pretty clear what he´s talking about
Cohen spouts vague cliches about cultural/individual/spiritual development and the interviewer challenges him effectively. In order to achieve that development, we have to do... what exactly? Cohen never explains.
I agree this is not spirituality but human self-indulgence which focuses on the self. There's nothing new here and just confusing. The average person isn;t going to be transformed by any of this. Most people in the world are uneducated and not intellectuals living in comfortable circumstances.
Took a whole 3 minutes before he bought up the "post modern" shit.
What a little wanker !
cspace1234nz 1 year ago
TRUE WORDS OF WISDOM FROM ANDREW !
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Tomek23762 3 years ago
What Cohen is saying usually requires a person to have some kind of peak experience: some lind of life-changing 'vision' of our spiritual state (like he himself has had, apparently). Without this most people's growth will be slow and hampered by personal concerns. But that's okay too. Sometimes you need to spiritually develop 'bottom-up' first before you can take on board the 'weight of the world'. The important thing is that people BEGIN.
MNZofPimlico 4 years ago
I agree with that. I've experiened alot during the last 3 months. These last three months, after becoming integral (you know who Ken Wilber and his philosophy is right?) in my aspiration towards everything. I found how to have peak expreiences and how to sustain them. Always there is much more mindfulness of what is going on, in every situation. That could server as an example of a common ground with Andrew Cohen and my current level of development, although I'm much more familiar with Wilber.
MaBu888 3 years ago
This was very frustrating to watch because they seemed to be at cross purposes. The interviewer has a very good point when he uses the example of a little baby: PHYSICAL growth is a process which cannot be speeded up, and spiritual growth is very much the same. Cohen wants us to just simply 'wake up' to a cosmos-wide sense of context, and focus on the issues facing the world, but how is that worked out on a day-to-day basis? Especially if your own life is a mess?
MNZofPimlico 4 years ago
However, regression in spiritual evolution can be stopped, thusly, speeding up and effectivizing the process, if you know what I mean?
MaBu888 3 years ago
part2 think you can extract something from a 20 min video, which is not possibile if the material would be really worthy of reflecting. And do you expect solutions for big problems fitting into the intellectual capacity of someone who cant describe the problems? Remember proletarian revolutions or the Nazis, both solutions understood by the uneducated. Do I have to write more?
Henatiera 4 years ago
Sorry for the doubling.
COnsider this, if you think it´s about self-indulgence: external improvement is necessary, but there are many good reasons to not believe ANYTHING will REALLY change unless YOU change and REALLY THINK and EXPERIENCE by yourself(external change combined with internal to STABILIZE)! BTW: usually people read books to get into the deeper core of knowledge, watching videos on youtube is a gimmick. Your arguments show that you are totally new to this stuff and
Henatiera 4 years ago
Did you ever think about the possibilty of understanding something in anew way instead of just having YOUR CLICHES reproduced so you can say: yeah, that I think too! ?
To me and many others, the message is pretty clear.
Henatiera 4 years ago
Did you ever think about the possibility of understanding something in a new way instead of having YOUR CLICHES reproduced so you can say: yeah, that´s what I`m thinking too(oh how cool I am!)? To me, it´s pretty clear what he´s talking about
Henatiera 4 years ago
Cohen spouts vague cliches about cultural/individual/spiritual development and the interviewer challenges him effectively. In order to achieve that development, we have to do... what exactly? Cohen never explains.
criticalbil1 4 years ago
I agree this is not spirituality but human self-indulgence which focuses on the self. There's nothing new here and just confusing. The average person isn;t going to be transformed by any of this. Most people in the world are uneducated and not intellectuals living in comfortable circumstances.
packamacka 4 years ago
If you are confused, you're not understanding.
deltaMazz 4 years ago
I disagree.
deltaMazz 4 years ago
I disagree with your sentiment.
MaBu888 3 years ago