To all who learn/play/perform north indian classical music, i have a question. I know it is a sign of respect to touch the ear(s) when refering to a senior/deceased musician whose composition you're going to play. Does anyone know why or how this tradition came into practice?
@affluent111 why part of the question, i think is becuz you are not supposed to hear your teachers name. so technically it is a metaphor to closing your ears.
pt. nayan ghosh is really something else. he has SOO many compositions stored in his head of many ancient legends of tabla and is able to reproduce amazingly...PLUS he is an amazing sitar player, nayanji is truly a master of the art of indian classical music
this is an awesome tabla solo but what really amazed me was that he could say a composition while playing teentaal. Any tabla player would know that takes a lot of skills and either a lot or very little concentration
lady drummer what did i say wrong? i said wow and that i enjoyed it, you skanky ass whore go suck a dick ive been playing tabla for 20 years you dumb fob, get a fucking life i personally know how difficult this taal is, so suck it bitch!
I'm sorry Sinisterplots, maybe i got it all wrong. i had no idea you referred to the master's tabla as SHIT and that you enjoyed it like DOPE. Wow, great to know as a Christian tabla player there's such a vast vocabulary, that was still unkown to me with my upbringinging and background. God bless pure souls like you. Keep it up. At least I'm glad you enjoyed the tabla, no matter your elevating language.
As for the wonderful jobs you suggested, maybe you could help handle them all, as I've been a bit tied down last 35 years playing the tabla. you've played 20 years. Maybe just handle the jobs you suggested for another 15 years. That way you might have a better start for tabla all over again. good lck.
Hey Lady Drummer. I'm American. I posted comments here 2 years past. I'm glad I felt the same about this master when I heard him in Manhattan NYC. I dunno the big names you've written, but I'm a professional guitarist and drummer. I play jazz n rock. I jus got laid wid his double gig that day tabla and sitar. Glad you spoke up. G'bless.
OK. Lemme add more info here. I've met Anindoji, Swapanji and Suresh Talvalkarji on different occasions, and they all had one common point....that Nayanji's a complete artiste. Anindoji specially commented about the authenticity of Nayanji's tabla, his weight and speed. He said "Noyon's Tobla is complete. He is dictionary, I am repharring to.....I labh his compjishaans and i use them in my solo Tobla"."
I've heard some of the most fabulous solos by this master, some accompaniments that took listeners to a terrific high. He's played like electric with Buddhaditya Mukherjee, and Vilayat Khan. Just the other day i saw India's top singers and instrumentalists at his sitar concert and hearing him sing too. Met him backstage. He was mobbed. Disarming modesty. Saw a stunning sight. Him with Zakirji who was playing next. Their respect for one another was a treat. What more.
I'm not known to Nayanji directly. It was disgusting reading nasty comments by asaeed27 n others. He is held in highest regard today in the entire music world and by all musicians. Whether it is his knowledge, his technical prowess, his teaching abilities, his generosity, what-not. His virtues as a tabla player is among the finest in the world today. Can I request the authors of his videos to either delete all unkind remarks or get his clippings out of youtube. Give this master some respect.
First, Thanks for the wonderful video of my Guruji Pt Nayan Ghosh.
As you can see there are several derogatory comments about this great player on the video you have posted by 2 users.
Could I please request you to kindly delete all of them as they are hurting the sentiments of several music lovers, musicians and desciples of Nayanji.
It would be a favor you would have done to the musicians community.
BUT! remember, if you are just defending him blindly, while certain things are TOO starking, it'l go against you. Its not me alone, there are bigwigs of this industry who know it and say it behind his back.Its out there man.
All other Tabla players encourage their students. The big ones and the lesser-known. But inspite of his institute being one of the most famous in Indian music, none have rises to glory in so many decades. Is it that Nayan Bhai wants to gobble up all the fame and encourage students who have already riden piggy back on the fame and names of their gurus, leaving his students in the dumps, where people don't even pay dime for the 'khandani baaj'? I am shocked!
Well said. Nayan Ghosh has a great pair of hands on the tabla and bucketloads of traditional taleem. But the guy is a self-serving jerk who does indeed gobble up opportunities he should be throwing his students' way. Probably why he never made it to the top league in spite of all the talent. Recent days have seen Ghosh emerge as a serious exponent of the concert barter gharana which is very much in vogue these days. Even shaagirdi these days is motivated by the prospect of material gain.
True. His own students play in small restaurants where people don't even notice them,some are never seen, while Zakir's students are his accompanying artists on his Sitar tours and big concerts in India. He says 'wah wah' to the same Zakir-style Tabla he bitterly criticizes in closed doors, while his own students who obviously play much better, don't even get a small chance to perform even in his own institute.Nayanbhai should not blame anyone but himself. A great player...with strange ways.
Very deep, thinking person, concerned for the future of Indian music, terribly busy working running a massive institute with no money returns for him. Taught many. Some ungrateful. But he never bothered.
If you observe, most of the biggies in the Tabla world have atleast one student worth the name. Nayanbhai's students it is said, have far superior taleem than most of the youngsters today. Neither in India nor abroad, do any ever surface, instead they struggle totally alone, with hopes of getting somewhere.Any sensible person must'nt blame them. I love Indian music. have seen many greats.I feel strongly for ingenuity,something Indians seem to lack and shun shamelessly!
Hes not so fortunate to have able disciples as he had once upon a time, for whom he gave his all. So he needs to hire others. But his disciples have always been given plenty of opportunities. Whether its Anish Pradhan, Viswanath Shirodkar, Girish Nalavade, Tanmay Bose, and many more.
Hey, you know Boltok, I know who you are, and so does Guruji, but he never said a word when I showed him this rubbish. You couldnt hide your style and your background. It's easy to identify you. You're the same deeply frustrated and troubled guy who just got nowhere. Tries to impress with American accents. Cheated many great musicians. Right? You're the same guy who ill-treated ur previous guru, a great senior stalwart. I know many more about you. Just Wait.
Hey Boltok, You call Nayanji a self-serving jerk? What about you man? Got American university scholarships, misused them, the Unis are after you now. So u ran back to India. Right? So what if Nayanji engages in concert-barter. He's doing it for the good of music. Have any of those guys called him in return. Give ONE instance. Nayanji did it of his large-heartedness, a quality which you will never get in several births from now.
You will not believe the respect he has for Zakirji (vice-versa too) or for that matter anyone else. He's so humble and warm, a complete humanist. Hes lesser known than his fellow-stars because hes too shy to push himself. All along only encouraging others, attending almost every concert of others. Has readily reached out to anyone, irrespective of priorities. Im one of his ex-students, lived closely with him. Just meet him to believe this.
Yes Tapan all these are really his qualities I agree, but try also to look at it from another's perspective, investigate and find out and you'l see that what I am saying is true.View the current situation, there are and were other highly displeased desciples who have given them their soul.Not all are 'ungrateful'.
Yes, I never judged him with any bias. Some of his deciples whom he trusted with all his heart let him down in a way that left bitter memories in his mind, yet he is decent enough never to make public all his stories.
Yet more. He hardly has time for himself or his family or little kids. He's running a massive institute all by himself, facing hurdles which any artiste deeply dislikes, supporting three families besides his own, works at his school for free, makes himself available for others, at times costing his own health badly, but always with a smiling face. There's a lot more I could say, man. But he has a very strong inner strength that's keeping him going, man.
wOW man! Thats not soemthing every musician can manage! yet his hands are always so warmed, like he's always practicing!I saw his other vids too! He's got lil kiddies? Boy they must be swell talented!
Its one thing to accept another mortal blidnly just because tradition says so, but another to investigate and justly and rationally accept certain starking realities about him. He is a great payer and teacher and a decent human being.Nothing against him though. peace.
At times he goes into phases of pessimism because of all that and is in no mood to teach. He says that the prime time of his life when he could have helped himself, he gave to his most chosen disciples, some of whom let him down either by way of opting for other vocations or by betraying his trust in them. There are a few I would have loved to name. But decency forbids me to go to that extent.
OK Saeed, one more point. The huge mass of lessons he gave his deciples, did they do justice to the training and the material? Yet he does not stop himself from giving. He's in a hurry, all for the sake of good healthy tabla. His doors are always open. It's only those who have some axe to grind who tell you their stories.
How do we know if they have? Are any heard? Except in their own houses or little restaurants? While students of all big Tabla players are on the scene, his are nowhere. Dont tell me its their fault. As per what I have heard, he doesent have time out of being the head of that school, students get lessons once in years. He may be a benevolent teacher, but its like giving wings to a bird and cutting them the next moment.
Its very easy to put all the blame on 'unfaithful' students, and project him as holier than thou just coz he's yr guru. Dude, do you know I've heard even big guns of the industry talk behind his back about how he likes none of his students to come up, nor does he give them any time. How is it that different students, of different ages many who dont even know each other say only one thing "He doesent want us to rise, whats the point in all that soild training and our riyaaz?"
Look I am not a musician, but these are one of the few things I've come across and most ppl in the industry know it.Theres no point in endlesly arguing .Investigate, find out, nobodys perfect, he n you could be wrong for a change.
I am not trying to offend him, infact I am a fan of his playing. But these are things I've 'seen' and not 'heard'. So leave me out of it, if you feel he's the most perfect being and all his desciples are traitors or whatever, dont involve me, coz my answers gonna be the same...coz thats all i've seen and I m not arguing abt anything else.
I am not involved with this little world of narrow-minded , back-stabbing, insecure hypocrates who behave holier than thou to cover-up. I am just an observer. I listen to good music and forget it. So let me out of this shit,I told you what I know, now go take on the real biggies and lets see what they have to say.I care tow hoots about whos doin wat..peace.
But I am sure all his traitor students cannot be wrong, there must be someting they all find unreasonable and unjust about him, coz they'r different students of different batches and ages, many who dnt even know each other, all saying the same thing......dude, my journey ends here...this is all the stuff I've come across that I reflect, now its between you and your Guru and others.I am relieved I dont know more coz this shits really stupid. Thanks to God I am not one of you guys hahahha!!!
BUT it is said Nayan Ghosh has totally neglected his students for other proirities. He never encourages any of them ( thats why none are ever seen).
Instead he encourages Zakir's students ( he hates Zakir it is said) while his students play in restaurants where people don't even notice they are there..Great people often have strange ways do't they?
kya baat hai dada!you are great great tabla player of country,we are proud of you !you are a great music asset of india!in this video you have played very hard bols like (ta dha ghidnag tak ghidnag tak dhagdhinag tak)is a very hard bols,but you have played so well and clear at such a great spped,thanks naynji for inspiring us!
There is a world of a difference between 'dhere dhere ketetak' and 'dhere kete'. The former can be played at a stretch and even with multiple dheredhere like many Tablaplayers do. But I challenge, show me one living Tablaplayer who can play DHERE KETE ( not dhere dhere ketetak) twice simultaneously. Also, this is only a two minute snippet. One might need to wonder the kind of difficult bols Nayanji may have executed in the balance 118 minutes.
Voila! thats right. I guess people are not realizing the difference between dhirdhirkittak and dhirkit, although Nayan sahab has clarified it at the beginning of this clip ( I am sure his Bengali is simple enough to understand). I have heard this entire solo live and he has played the most astounding dhirdhir relas in the vilambit while the drut has gats and tukras with many difficult and yet artistically rich musical vocabulary impeccable played. Wish we could hear longer clips insha Allah.
also just because he doesnt play in a certain 'old school'technique, (which one anyways? do you even know? i think it looks like lucknow) doesnt mean he doesnt know how to. it would be wack if he tried to copy the style of the old masters. maybe he doesnt give too much of a shit about that. zakir is fire.
naturally the more you study the music, youll find more impressive gurus from other schools. but i also want to reassert that tubbla is not just finger strokes but is comprised of the entire delivery and style of the strokes and speaking of syllables. zakir knows his audience and he is impressive because he has a very unique stage presence and delivery. in fact his is the most original ive seen.
I have been playing tabla for over 17 years. Neither Swapanji nor Anindoji nor Zakirji can come anywhere close to Nayanji's two simultaneous DHEREKETE that he has played in the first gat. Neither can they match his speed, clarity, depth and tone. It is a known fact in the music world that Zakirji places both Nayanji's hands on his head and bows to him.
Fine agreed.But listen playing a dhirekete bol for 15 secs,30 sec and even 1 min is not same as playing it for 4-5 mins with the same speed.Swapan-ji did that over and over again.This video is not conclusive to tell that.If you have more conclusive stuff give it to me.
Conlusive? Nayan Ghosh above is playing what is called an old school techninque. SO the fingering is very very hard to master. Nayan specialises in playing old techniques that modern showboaters like ZAkir will stay well away from!!
Hey look I am not arguing with you.Nayan-ji's talent is really has few parallels.But before deriving a conclusion one needs to hear him over a period of time.I have seen even Anindo-ji in his bad days and Rafiuddin Sabri in his peak form.But one or 2 odd performances is not enough.Zakir-ji has been timetested that is why his position is so strong.Have you heard of Bashir Hussain Goga.Beleive me you will stop playing the day you hear him.
Zakir time tested?? Time tested tabla player would be Ahmed Jan Thirakwa or Ustad Amir Hussain. Zakir thrives on impressing the LAY AUDIENCE. He dosent try to impress connoiseurs because he knows he will lose the love of the lay audience. What normally impresses connoisseurs dosent impress laymen and vice versa.
Hey I hope u dont have an enmity with ZAKIR.We are not trying to bring someone down.We are merely discussing about an art.Dont be so arrogant so that you loose the human touch.People like U are no good because U dont know how to respect others.I hope NAYAN-ji deserves better audience than U.
Sorry, I went a bit overboard few days back. Many know that this clip is from a two hour solo of Nayanji in Kolkata to an audience of a few thousand, with Anindoji and Kumar Boseji sitting in front and of course Ajoy Chakraborty and Rashid Khan. The SRA had 20 minutes of that concert posted on their website which stayed there for almost a year and sadly disappeared soon after. There were a few exquisite dhire dhires played there.
First of all, I think this whole ranking tabla players things is silly--trying to objectify something so subjective won't work. Personal preference of X tabla player over Y is inevitable--but saying that X tabla player is the best and the rest of you who don't agree with me are stupid is where it's crossing the line.
That being said, saying Zakirji doesn't impress connoisseurs is the most untrue thing I've ever heard. Go ask a connoisseur if he enjoys it when Zakirji layers matt taal over rupak while accompanying Shivkumar Sharmaji...moreover if he wasn't a great tabla player then why do most of the top musicians from India call him for their best performances?
Finally, at the point that Great Tabla Players like Pandit Anindo Chatterjee and Pandit Kumar Bose appreciate Zakirji's playing, I don't see any justification for saying Zakirji doesn't impress connoisseurs.
Do you doubt that a person who specializes in dheredhere bols for which Tabla players specially attend his concerts,cannot play dherekete for 5 or 10 minutes at the same speed if he can play it for 15 secs. with this dexterity? I have heard far more difficult dhere bols from Nayanji at greater speeds for a longer periods of time. It is just that you need to hear it to believe it . I have heard most Tabla players acknowledge his dhere as the most superior
Fine agreed.But listen playing a dhirekete bol for 15 secs,30 sec and even 1 min is not same as playing it for 4-5 mins with the same speed.Swapan-ji did that over and over again.This video is not conclusive to tell that.If you have more conclusive stuff give it to me.
Good tapan Can u post similair stuff.I am a big fan of Nayanji.Heard allmost all the maestros starting from Thirakwa sahab,Anokelalji,Keramatullah,Allarakkha to Zakirji,Anindoji,Swapanji, Shanker Ghosh,and Nayaji.Such great players really deserve better publicity.Please post more and more of such stuff.His tonal quality is very crisp,very good control on the Ghede-nak based boles.However I would like to hear more dhirey dhirey stuff alongside Swapanji and Anokelalji's dhiredhire.
Good Can u post similair stuff.I am a big fan of Nayanji.Heard allmost all the maestros starting from Thirakwa sahab,Anokelalji,Keramatullah,Allarakkha to Zakirji,Anindoji,Swapanji, Shanker Ghosh,and Nayaji.Such great players really deserve better publicity.Please post more and more of such stuff.His tonal quality is very crisp,very good control on the Ghede-nak based boles.However I would like to hear more dhirey dhirey stuff alongside Swapanji and Anokelalji's dhiredhire.
Hey hey Sithroya, did ya ever ask Tari Khan himself? Tari's a fan of this guy and some guy from the west coast told me that Tari watched a video of this guy playing at Stanford last summer and kinda saluted him. Anyways, we all watch Tari on this site. He's just playing Kerwa all the time, no meat, no stuff. Just foolin around shaking his head. Go ask Zakir Hussain what he thinks of this guy, OK?
Excellent video from a great muscian. I cant believe some of the comments in relation to it. His father was a legend Pandit Nikhil Ghosh. One of his leading deciples is Shri Aneesh Pradhan of the Farukhabad Gharana. There have been concerts where he has played tabla with Ravi Shankar and then the next act would be him playing Sitar with Zakir Hussain on the tabla.
Folks, this is Pandit Nayan Ghosh. Depositary of tabla legacy inherited by his father and his contemporaries, the Late Padma Bhusham Pantid Nikhil Ghosh, founder of Sangeet MAhabharati in Mumbai. He is the best table player of his generation and in memory of his father, Nikhilji I leave this comment here.
Tari and Zakir are the biggest showboaters. Therefore they get the most publicity. Real experts who play really difficult stuff are not given credit. Unfortunately the retarded audience can only appreciate FLASH and nothing with REAL SUBSTANCE. Real shame!
U gotcha c this guy. saw a gig last weekend in NYC Manhattan. Holy shit, this guy plays tablas and sitar d same way, electrified d audience. saw famous musicians touch his feet after the gig, some kinda Indian respect. he's really cool, absolutely unassuming. they say he's an encyclopedia of tablas n many more instruments. that he's gigged with Ravi Shankar n other big guys. bet on my life, this clip not sped up man. go watch him, u'll no.
Come on Dhire dhire can be lot better.Listen to SWAPAN-ji's or Anoke-lalji's dhirey dhirey.I dont mean this is any less good.But we need to hear more long dhirey dhiery based relas before concluding.
Tabla audio and video is in sync. No skipping of audio. Great reciting of the bols and playing them on tabla should give encouragement for the tabla learners.
The video/audio does look a little off which makes it seem fake, but if you see him in concert (or any great tabla player), you'll see the same speed and accuracy.
the dhereket compositions are devastating. its incredibly hard to play dehrkits like this at this speed. just marvelous.
shankyxyz 2 months ago
To all who learn/play/perform north indian classical music, i have a question. I know it is a sign of respect to touch the ear(s) when refering to a senior/deceased musician whose composition you're going to play. Does anyone know why or how this tradition came into practice?
affluent111 8 months ago
@affluent111 why part of the question, i think is becuz you are not supposed to hear your teachers name. so technically it is a metaphor to closing your ears.
shankyxyz 4 months ago
@lomer02071985 Bhari:
Dha(s)DhinNa KittakTak(s) DhireKiteTakDha KittakTak(s)
DhirekittakDha(s)dDha(s) Dhirekite DhirekiteTakDha GhidnagTinNa
Khali
Ta(s)TinNa Kittaktak TirekitetakTa KittakTak
DhirekittakDha(s)dDha Dhirekite DhirekiteTakDha GhidnagDhinNa
Revolvingsound 9 months ago
pt. nayan ghosh is really something else. he has SOO many compositions stored in his head of many ancient legends of tabla and is able to reproduce amazingly...PLUS he is an amazing sitar player, nayanji is truly a master of the art of indian classical music
Dsaha10 1 year ago 2
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he you are again son of the destroyer. WHY ARE YOU SUCH A DUMBASS
tablasarang 1 year ago
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he you are again son of the destroyer. WHY ARE YOU SUCH A DUMBASS
tablasarang 1 year ago
The lehra or nagma is Raag Rageshwari
Balraj50 1 year ago
this is an awesome tabla solo but what really amazed me was that he could say a composition while playing teentaal. Any tabla player would know that takes a lot of skills and either a lot or very little concentration
somedumbass90 2 years ago 2
@somedumbass90 it´s like singing trigun: once you try it, you´ll get the hang of it.. =)
lfsaraivamha 8 months ago
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lady drummer what did i say wrong? i said wow and that i enjoyed it, you skanky ass whore go suck a dick ive been playing tabla for 20 years you dumb fob, get a fucking life i personally know how difficult this taal is, so suck it bitch!
sinisterplots 2 years ago
I'm sorry Sinisterplots, maybe i got it all wrong. i had no idea you referred to the master's tabla as SHIT and that you enjoyed it like DOPE. Wow, great to know as a Christian tabla player there's such a vast vocabulary, that was still unkown to me with my upbringinging and background. God bless pure souls like you. Keep it up. At least I'm glad you enjoyed the tabla, no matter your elevating language.
TheLadyDrummer 2 years ago
As for the wonderful jobs you suggested, maybe you could help handle them all, as I've been a bit tied down last 35 years playing the tabla. you've played 20 years. Maybe just handle the jobs you suggested for another 15 years. That way you might have a better start for tabla all over again. good lck.
TheLadyDrummer 2 years ago
Hey Lady Drummer. I'm American. I posted comments here 2 years past. I'm glad I felt the same about this master when I heard him in Manhattan NYC. I dunno the big names you've written, but I'm a professional guitarist and drummer. I play jazz n rock. I jus got laid wid his double gig that day tabla and sitar. Glad you spoke up. G'bless.
fingergrasp 2 years ago
OK. Lemme add more info here. I've met Anindoji, Swapanji and Suresh Talvalkarji on different occasions, and they all had one common point....that Nayanji's a complete artiste. Anindoji specially commented about the authenticity of Nayanji's tabla, his weight and speed. He said "Noyon's Tobla is complete. He is dictionary, I am repharring to.....I labh his compjishaans and i use them in my solo Tobla"."
TheLadyDrummer 2 years ago 2
I've heard some of the most fabulous solos by this master, some accompaniments that took listeners to a terrific high. He's played like electric with Buddhaditya Mukherjee, and Vilayat Khan. Just the other day i saw India's top singers and instrumentalists at his sitar concert and hearing him sing too. Met him backstage. He was mobbed. Disarming modesty. Saw a stunning sight. Him with Zakirji who was playing next. Their respect for one another was a treat. What more.
TheLadyDrummer 2 years ago
I'm not known to Nayanji directly. It was disgusting reading nasty comments by asaeed27 n others. He is held in highest regard today in the entire music world and by all musicians. Whether it is his knowledge, his technical prowess, his teaching abilities, his generosity, what-not. His virtues as a tabla player is among the finest in the world today. Can I request the authors of his videos to either delete all unkind remarks or get his clippings out of youtube. Give this master some respect.
TheLadyDrummer 2 years ago
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wow as a christian tabla player WOW that shit was sooo DOPE!!!!!
sinisterplots 2 years ago
How do you allow such drug addicts to write their comments here?
TheLadyDrummer 2 years ago
I am talking about sinisterplots
TheLadyDrummer 2 years ago
hands down killer tabla. bless you nayanji.
shankyxyz 2 years ago
on a scale of 1-10 the compositions he played are at a 10 difficulty level
torontostablaguy 3 years ago
Hello Ankur
First, Thanks for the wonderful video of my Guruji Pt Nayan Ghosh.
As you can see there are several derogatory comments about this great player on the video you have posted by 2 users.
Could I please request you to kindly delete all of them as they are hurting the sentiments of several music lovers, musicians and desciples of Nayanji.
It would be a favor you would have done to the musicians community.
Thanks and best regards.
carlosmangela 3 years ago
BUT! remember, if you are just defending him blindly, while certain things are TOO starking, it'l go against you. Its not me alone, there are bigwigs of this industry who know it and say it behind his back.Its out there man.
asaeed27 3 years ago 2
Krishna, post more videos of ur playing, and demostrate some good exercises in Dherekete for your fellow Iyengar tabla player =)
YGodN 3 years ago
sure man...will do that soon (:
carlosmangela 3 years ago
greatest solo tabla player
BABAMUGHALBABASAHEB 3 years ago
All other Tabla players encourage their students. The big ones and the lesser-known. But inspite of his institute being one of the most famous in Indian music, none have rises to glory in so many decades. Is it that Nayan Bhai wants to gobble up all the fame and encourage students who have already riden piggy back on the fame and names of their gurus, leaving his students in the dumps, where people don't even pay dime for the 'khandani baaj'? I am shocked!
asaeed27 3 years ago 4
Well said. Nayan Ghosh has a great pair of hands on the tabla and bucketloads of traditional taleem. But the guy is a self-serving jerk who does indeed gobble up opportunities he should be throwing his students' way. Probably why he never made it to the top league in spite of all the talent. Recent days have seen Ghosh emerge as a serious exponent of the concert barter gharana which is very much in vogue these days. Even shaagirdi these days is motivated by the prospect of material gain.
boltoksagdiyev 3 years ago 5
True. His own students play in small restaurants where people don't even notice them,some are never seen, while Zakir's students are his accompanying artists on his Sitar tours and big concerts in India. He says 'wah wah' to the same Zakir-style Tabla he bitterly criticizes in closed doors, while his own students who obviously play much better, don't even get a small chance to perform even in his own institute.Nayanbhai should not blame anyone but himself. A great player...with strange ways.
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Very deep, thinking person, concerned for the future of Indian music, terribly busy working running a massive institute with no money returns for him. Taught many. Some ungrateful. But he never bothered.
tapantabla 3 years ago
If you observe, most of the biggies in the Tabla world have atleast one student worth the name. Nayanbhai's students it is said, have far superior taleem than most of the youngsters today. Neither in India nor abroad, do any ever surface, instead they struggle totally alone, with hopes of getting somewhere.Any sensible person must'nt blame them. I love Indian music. have seen many greats.I feel strongly for ingenuity,something Indians seem to lack and shun shamelessly!
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Hes not so fortunate to have able disciples as he had once upon a time, for whom he gave his all. So he needs to hire others. But his disciples have always been given plenty of opportunities. Whether its Anish Pradhan, Viswanath Shirodkar, Girish Nalavade, Tanmay Bose, and many more.
tapantabla 3 years ago
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Hey, you know Boltok, I know who you are, and so does Guruji, but he never said a word when I showed him this rubbish. You couldnt hide your style and your background. It's easy to identify you. You're the same deeply frustrated and troubled guy who just got nowhere. Tries to impress with American accents. Cheated many great musicians. Right? You're the same guy who ill-treated ur previous guru, a great senior stalwart. I know many more about you. Just Wait.
tapantabla 3 years ago
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Hey Boltok, You call Nayanji a self-serving jerk? What about you man? Got American university scholarships, misused them, the Unis are after you now. So u ran back to India. Right? So what if Nayanji engages in concert-barter. He's doing it for the good of music. Have any of those guys called him in return. Give ONE instance. Nayanji did it of his large-heartedness, a quality which you will never get in several births from now.
tapantabla 3 years ago
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You will not believe the respect he has for Zakirji (vice-versa too) or for that matter anyone else. He's so humble and warm, a complete humanist. Hes lesser known than his fellow-stars because hes too shy to push himself. All along only encouraging others, attending almost every concert of others. Has readily reached out to anyone, irrespective of priorities. Im one of his ex-students, lived closely with him. Just meet him to believe this.
tapantabla 3 years ago
Yes Tapan all these are really his qualities I agree, but try also to look at it from another's perspective, investigate and find out and you'l see that what I am saying is true.View the current situation, there are and were other highly displeased desciples who have given them their soul.Not all are 'ungrateful'.
asaeed27 3 years ago
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Yes, I never judged him with any bias. Some of his deciples whom he trusted with all his heart let him down in a way that left bitter memories in his mind, yet he is decent enough never to make public all his stories.
tapantabla 3 years ago
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Yet more. He hardly has time for himself or his family or little kids. He's running a massive institute all by himself, facing hurdles which any artiste deeply dislikes, supporting three families besides his own, works at his school for free, makes himself available for others, at times costing his own health badly, but always with a smiling face. There's a lot more I could say, man. But he has a very strong inner strength that's keeping him going, man.
tapantabla 3 years ago
wOW man! Thats not soemthing every musician can manage! yet his hands are always so warmed, like he's always practicing!I saw his other vids too! He's got lil kiddies? Boy they must be swell talented!
asaeed27 3 years ago
Its one thing to accept another mortal blidnly just because tradition says so, but another to investigate and justly and rationally accept certain starking realities about him. He is a great payer and teacher and a decent human being.Nothing against him though. peace.
asaeed27 3 years ago
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At times he goes into phases of pessimism because of all that and is in no mood to teach. He says that the prime time of his life when he could have helped himself, he gave to his most chosen disciples, some of whom let him down either by way of opting for other vocations or by betraying his trust in them. There are a few I would have loved to name. But decency forbids me to go to that extent.
tapantabla 3 years ago
you are a bloody idiot and shall never learn anything in life.
yjvnz 1 year ago
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OK Saeed, one more point. The huge mass of lessons he gave his deciples, did they do justice to the training and the material? Yet he does not stop himself from giving. He's in a hurry, all for the sake of good healthy tabla. His doors are always open. It's only those who have some axe to grind who tell you their stories.
tapantabla 3 years ago 3
How do we know if they have? Are any heard? Except in their own houses or little restaurants? While students of all big Tabla players are on the scene, his are nowhere. Dont tell me its their fault. As per what I have heard, he doesent have time out of being the head of that school, students get lessons once in years. He may be a benevolent teacher, but its like giving wings to a bird and cutting them the next moment.
asaeed27 3 years ago
Its very easy to put all the blame on 'unfaithful' students, and project him as holier than thou just coz he's yr guru. Dude, do you know I've heard even big guns of the industry talk behind his back about how he likes none of his students to come up, nor does he give them any time. How is it that different students, of different ages many who dont even know each other say only one thing "He doesent want us to rise, whats the point in all that soild training and our riyaaz?"
asaeed27 3 years ago
Look I am not a musician, but these are one of the few things I've come across and most ppl in the industry know it.Theres no point in endlesly arguing .Investigate, find out, nobodys perfect, he n you could be wrong for a change.
asaeed27 3 years ago
I am not trying to offend him, infact I am a fan of his playing. But these are things I've 'seen' and not 'heard'. So leave me out of it, if you feel he's the most perfect being and all his desciples are traitors or whatever, dont involve me, coz my answers gonna be the same...coz thats all i've seen and I m not arguing abt anything else.
asaeed27 3 years ago
I am not involved with this little world of narrow-minded , back-stabbing, insecure hypocrates who behave holier than thou to cover-up. I am just an observer. I listen to good music and forget it. So let me out of this shit,I told you what I know, now go take on the real biggies and lets see what they have to say.I care tow hoots about whos doin wat..peace.
asaeed27 3 years ago
But I am sure all his traitor students cannot be wrong, there must be someting they all find unreasonable and unjust about him, coz they'r different students of different batches and ages, many who dnt even know each other, all saying the same thing......dude, my journey ends here...this is all the stuff I've come across that I reflect, now its between you and your Guru and others.I am relieved I dont know more coz this shits really stupid. Thanks to God I am not one of you guys hahahha!!!
asaeed27 3 years ago
All said n done, he's a great player, in fact unparalled, with great knowledge, and looks to be generally a nice guy...
asaeed27 3 years ago 7
@asaeed27 he is a nice guy! :)
monkeycheese1996 1 year ago
Yes he is a great player and a stalwart.
BUT it is said Nayan Ghosh has totally neglected his students for other proirities. He never encourages any of them ( thats why none are ever seen).
Instead he encourages Zakir's students ( he hates Zakir it is said) while his students play in restaurants where people don't even notice they are there..Great people often have strange ways do't they?
asaeed27 3 years ago 4
he is a musical GOD
kandgenterprise 3 years ago
could u upload the full video
sabrang1430 3 years ago 3
fantastic tabla nayan ji. you are really awesome tabla maestro.
tablashiv 4 years ago 4
kya baat hai dada!you are great great tabla player of country,we are proud of you !you are a great music asset of india!in this video you have played very hard bols like (ta dha ghidnag tak ghidnag tak dhagdhinag tak)is a very hard bols,but you have played so well and clear at such a great spped,thanks naynji for inspiring us!
Ghadshi 4 years ago 2
hmmm.... indias crowded
shlnmastakilla 4 years ago
Listen up people:
The full 27 minute version is available on the Asian section of the rhythmweb website. Watch that as Nayan Ghosh reveals more magic
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
I agree, altho the bols for the tabla is like a tongue twister.
TKDSamuraiNinjaBagua 4 years ago
There is a world of a difference between 'dhere dhere ketetak' and 'dhere kete'. The former can be played at a stretch and even with multiple dheredhere like many Tablaplayers do. But I challenge, show me one living Tablaplayer who can play DHERE KETE ( not dhere dhere ketetak) twice simultaneously. Also, this is only a two minute snippet. One might need to wonder the kind of difficult bols Nayanji may have executed in the balance 118 minutes.
carlosmangela 4 years ago 3
Voila! thats right. I guess people are not realizing the difference between dhirdhirkittak and dhirkit, although Nayan sahab has clarified it at the beginning of this clip ( I am sure his Bengali is simple enough to understand). I have heard this entire solo live and he has played the most astounding dhirdhir relas in the vilambit while the drut has gats and tukras with many difficult and yet artistically rich musical vocabulary impeccable played. Wish we could hear longer clips insha Allah.
Niyazsalaam 4 years ago 3
also just because he doesnt play in a certain 'old school'technique, (which one anyways? do you even know? i think it looks like lucknow) doesnt mean he doesnt know how to. it would be wack if he tried to copy the style of the old masters. maybe he doesnt give too much of a shit about that. zakir is fire.
soulfireking 4 years ago
naturally the more you study the music, youll find more impressive gurus from other schools. but i also want to reassert that tubbla is not just finger strokes but is comprised of the entire delivery and style of the strokes and speaking of syllables. zakir knows his audience and he is impressive because he has a very unique stage presence and delivery. in fact his is the most original ive seen.
soulfireking 4 years ago
I have been playing tabla for over 17 years. Neither Swapanji nor Anindoji nor Zakirji can come anywhere close to Nayanji's two simultaneous DHEREKETE that he has played in the first gat. Neither can they match his speed, clarity, depth and tone. It is a known fact in the music world that Zakirji places both Nayanji's hands on his head and bows to him.
carlosmangela 4 years ago
Fine agreed.But listen playing a dhirekete bol for 15 secs,30 sec and even 1 min is not same as playing it for 4-5 mins with the same speed.Swapan-ji did that over and over again.This video is not conclusive to tell that.If you have more conclusive stuff give it to me.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
Conlusive? Nayan Ghosh above is playing what is called an old school techninque. SO the fingering is very very hard to master. Nayan specialises in playing old techniques that modern showboaters like ZAkir will stay well away from!!
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago 5
Hey look I am not arguing with you.Nayan-ji's talent is really has few parallels.But before deriving a conclusion one needs to hear him over a period of time.I have seen even Anindo-ji in his bad days and Rafiuddin Sabri in his peak form.But one or 2 odd performances is not enough.Zakir-ji has been timetested that is why his position is so strong.Have you heard of Bashir Hussain Goga.Beleive me you will stop playing the day you hear him.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
Zakir time tested?? Time tested tabla player would be Ahmed Jan Thirakwa or Ustad Amir Hussain. Zakir thrives on impressing the LAY AUDIENCE. He dosent try to impress connoiseurs because he knows he will lose the love of the lay audience. What normally impresses connoisseurs dosent impress laymen and vice versa.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago 12
Hey I hope u dont have an enmity with ZAKIR.We are not trying to bring someone down.We are merely discussing about an art.Dont be so arrogant so that you loose the human touch.People like U are no good because U dont know how to respect others.I hope NAYAN-ji deserves better audience than U.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
Sorry, I went a bit overboard few days back. Many know that this clip is from a two hour solo of Nayanji in Kolkata to an audience of a few thousand, with Anindoji and Kumar Boseji sitting in front and of course Ajoy Chakraborty and Rashid Khan. The SRA had 20 minutes of that concert posted on their website which stayed there for almost a year and sadly disappeared soon after. There were a few exquisite dhire dhires played there.
tapantabla 4 years ago
First of all, I think this whole ranking tabla players things is silly--trying to objectify something so subjective won't work. Personal preference of X tabla player over Y is inevitable--but saying that X tabla player is the best and the rest of you who don't agree with me are stupid is where it's crossing the line.
tablaboi 4 years ago
That being said, saying Zakirji doesn't impress connoisseurs is the most untrue thing I've ever heard. Go ask a connoisseur if he enjoys it when Zakirji layers matt taal over rupak while accompanying Shivkumar Sharmaji...moreover if he wasn't a great tabla player then why do most of the top musicians from India call him for their best performances?
tablaboi 4 years ago
Finally, at the point that Great Tabla Players like Pandit Anindo Chatterjee and Pandit Kumar Bose appreciate Zakirji's playing, I don't see any justification for saying Zakirji doesn't impress connoisseurs.
tablaboi 4 years ago
Maybe i shouldnt have commented the way i did before. After all i should just concentrate on my own playing and appreciate all others.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
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BABAMUGHALBABASAHEB 3 years ago
@sonofthedestroyer ustad zakir hussain... impresses everyone.
allfieldsreq 1 year ago
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BABAMUGHALBABASAHEB 3 years ago
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BABAMUGHALBABASAHEB 3 years ago
Do you doubt that a person who specializes in dheredhere bols for which Tabla players specially attend his concerts,cannot play dherekete for 5 or 10 minutes at the same speed if he can play it for 15 secs. with this dexterity? I have heard far more difficult dhere bols from Nayanji at greater speeds for a longer periods of time. It is just that you need to hear it to believe it . I have heard most Tabla players acknowledge his dhere as the most superior
carlosmangela 4 years ago
Fine agreed.But listen playing a dhirekete bol for 15 secs,30 sec and even 1 min is not same as playing it for 4-5 mins with the same speed.Swapan-ji did that over and over again.This video is not conclusive to tell that.If you have more conclusive stuff give it to me.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
I would like to hear more Ghen-tadan based boles.Or say Dhene-gene-nana-gene stuff.TAPAN can post such stuff.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
Good tapan Can u post similair stuff.I am a big fan of Nayanji.Heard allmost all the maestros starting from Thirakwa sahab,Anokelalji,Keramatullah,Allarakkha to Zakirji,Anindoji,Swapanji, Shanker Ghosh,and Nayaji.Such great players really deserve better publicity.Please post more and more of such stuff.His tonal quality is very crisp,very good control on the Ghede-nak based boles.However I would like to hear more dhirey dhirey stuff alongside Swapanji and Anokelalji's dhiredhire.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
amazing sound from that drum.
elhef 4 years ago
Pandit Nayan Ghosh Is my father and guru, the Table and Sitar Nawaz of this generation
tapantabla 4 years ago
If you are his son/daughter then please can you post videos of him playing. Many would appreciate it.
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago
Good Can u post similair stuff.I am a big fan of Nayanji.Heard allmost all the maestros starting from Thirakwa sahab,Anokelalji,Keramatullah,Allarakkha to Zakirji,Anindoji,Swapanji, Shanker Ghosh,and Nayaji.Such great players really deserve better publicity.Please post more and more of such stuff.His tonal quality is very crisp,very good control on the Ghede-nak based boles.However I would like to hear more dhirey dhirey stuff alongside Swapanji and Anokelalji's dhiredhire.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
tabla prodigy
pedrocarneiro 4 years ago
IS THIS SITE NOW FOR " SELF PROMOTION" ...( with the students)...ha! ha!
guruji1 4 years ago
man thats some good tabla playing, ..very clear
regalparks 4 years ago
Also guys, just go check his sitar at New Orleans on this site.
fingergrasp 4 years ago
Hey hey Sithroya, did ya ever ask Tari Khan himself? Tari's a fan of this guy and some guy from the west coast told me that Tari watched a video of this guy playing at Stanford last summer and kinda saluted him. Anyways, we all watch Tari on this site. He's just playing Kerwa all the time, no meat, no stuff. Just foolin around shaking his head. Go ask Zakir Hussain what he thinks of this guy, OK?
fingergrasp 4 years ago 3
Excellent video from a great muscian. I cant believe some of the comments in relation to it. His father was a legend Pandit Nikhil Ghosh. One of his leading deciples is Shri Aneesh Pradhan of the Farukhabad Gharana. There have been concerts where he has played tabla with Ravi Shankar and then the next act would be him playing Sitar with Zakir Hussain on the tabla.
tabla82 4 years ago
Kayaa baat hai .hes awesome ,,,thanks keep it up
tablathedrum 5 years ago
Very nimble fingers
sonofthedestroyer 5 years ago
Folks, this is Pandit Nayan Ghosh. Depositary of tabla legacy inherited by his father and his contemporaries, the Late Padma Bhusham Pantid Nikhil Ghosh, founder of Sangeet MAhabharati in Mumbai. He is the best table player of his generation and in memory of his father, Nikhilji I leave this comment here.
planetmusic108 5 years ago
perfect...
EKomAN06 5 years ago
this guy is wack.. check out tari khan or zakir hussein
sithroya 5 years ago
i like zakir im a big fan but this Pundit is very good..unless u can do better then dont talk
md88skater 5 years ago
Tari and Zakir are the biggest showboaters. Therefore they get the most publicity. Real experts who play really difficult stuff are not given credit. Unfortunately the retarded audience can only appreciate FLASH and nothing with REAL SUBSTANCE. Real shame!
sonofthedestroyer 4 years ago 6
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BABAMUGHALBABASAHEB 3 years ago
I'm getting deeper in this. Check google search for this guy u'll find great stuff.
fingergrasp 5 years ago
U gotcha c this guy. saw a gig last weekend in NYC Manhattan. Holy shit, this guy plays tablas and sitar d same way, electrified d audience. saw famous musicians touch his feet after the gig, some kinda Indian respect. he's really cool, absolutely unassuming. they say he's an encyclopedia of tablas n many more instruments. that he's gigged with Ravi Shankar n other big guys. bet on my life, this clip not sped up man. go watch him, u'll no.
fingergrasp 5 years ago
I love the thaap he does... just like i do :D
and y is the women at the back with the tanpura having an orgasm?
simsg90 5 years ago
why are you trying so hard to be funny?
triggerjam 5 years ago
he is also a master on Sitar! he is gurubai to abhijit banerjee, anindo chatterjee and mallar gosh..
tintala 5 years ago
His DhireDhire sounds great. Love his ability to interweave an open Tun
comedicbelial 5 years ago
Come on Dhire dhire can be lot better.Listen to SWAPAN-ji's or Anoke-lalji's dhirey dhirey.I dont mean this is any less good.But we need to hear more long dhirey dhiery based relas before concluding.
budhwaterloo 4 years ago
Um I reached no conclusions other than complimenting him on his ability to express a bol.
comedicbelial 4 years ago
Tabla audio and video is in sync. No skipping of audio. Great reciting of the bols and playing them on tabla should give encouragement for the tabla learners.
Boola123 5 years ago
tırıtagı daaa dirıdigitak...:D:D...
Adam manyak ya...Sıyırmış :D
EKomAN06 5 years ago
i bet he could give a mean hand job..Derka Derka
asdpoop 5 years ago
Yeah if you watch the chicks head in the backround it starts flipping out at times af if she was having a seizure, definatly sped up.
stalfoe 5 years ago
looollllllllllllllll
simsg90 5 years ago
Go watch this guy in a gig, u'll no. he'll give u a wretched electric shock.
fingergrasp 5 years ago
holy shit! this guy owns that noob in the featured videos.
ununhexium 5 years ago
man i bet if he tries to play a trumpet....
jimmy396jimmy 5 years ago
Talented Gentleman. Enjoyed this one. Tar- tic- a- tic- a- tar...and Yo- Mama..!
JerrysTube 5 years ago
Masterful!
bater1abater1a 5 years ago
That looks like you sped it up....
Donkeypuke 5 years ago
LMFAO OMG HE SOUNDS SO FUNNY LMFAO
zeductive 5 years ago
get a life
md88skater 5 years ago
Very very excellent.
ivanvonnoshrilgram 5 years ago
It's awsome, I've started to play tabla (still by myself) I hope to find a good teacher.. anyway, great movie!
MrPitAdVitam 5 years ago
Don't parts of this look and sound incredibly sped-up/fake?
liquidlen2 5 years ago
The video/audio does look a little off which makes it seem fake, but if you see him in concert (or any great tabla player), you'll see the same speed and accuracy.
abulsara 5 years ago
yes.
meemat 5 years ago
zigga zigga zah zah zigga zigga.....
Devoimprov 5 years ago
reminiscent of the great darf hailing from the pacific northwest.
davetheknave 5 years ago
He also plays sitar quite well. I saw him perform in concert once.
hirofan 5 years ago
...Not.
Noskelleh 5 years ago
damn, that was amazing...
m0rtem 5 years ago
holy hell...
fearsofgun 5 years ago