I suppose you couldn't get nickel plated neodymium magnets as plates and use insulators between them to keep them apart. Only question is do magnets as plates conduct electricity as plain nickel plates do??
@altern8energy I think I will sandwich the magnets between 2 plates and hardwire the plates together so I do not have to rely on the magnets to make a connection.
When water H2O is separated using Electrolysis you end up with two molecules of hydrogen the proper nomenclature is H2 and only ONE molecule of oxygen which is simply O so the proper nomenclature for these separate gases is not HHO it is H2/O the forward / indicates that these are separate gases that are not bonded together. Anyone who has taken even one semester of chemistry should know this.
@ke4uyp Yes we all know that. HHo, Hydroxy, Browns gas are just a few ways we describe the gas resulting from splitting water. Just like we get a drink of water and not a drink of H2O. As long as we understand what we are talking about then I am not sure that describing the gas as it would be described in chemistry class really matters.
@ke4uyp HHO is the same as H2O because in math you take "HH". which would be the same as H^2 or H2. The O would be for OXYGEN so people call it HHO since
On my pulse motors i am always amazed at how powerful the neo magnets are when I get them going. The thing that has me baffled in your case is you have no moving parts.... Can you put a compass by the device and see if the magnetic fields are fluctuating? Thanks for sharing.!
I thinks you have hit on something very important. Since I am the low voltage guy, there is no way to get that production in your first video with 1.9 volts, 500 mills, no way. Please check and double check, but I think this is real. When I hit on my over unity circuit, it was like your results, I couldn't believe it, so after build nine of them, it proved to me I that I had something.
@hhoforvolts I have double and triple checked. I also use only the best Fluke meters available. I even switched the meters and ran the power through the other meter. It was 1.91 volts and between 400 and 500 miliamps. That I am quite sure of. That said the camera makes the production look greater than it really is.
@hhoforvolts Yes, That is certain. The plates with the magnets are producing alot more gas. If you watch the video and listen closely to the sound as I move the camera from one to the other you can clearly hear the difference. I had not noticed that until I watched the video myself.
@joewilder I am going to desigh a device where the magnets can contact the plates yet remain out of the e-lite. I will do a video on the plates and magnets. You will see that indeed the magnets on the Cathode deteriated while the magnets on the Anode were unaffected. Just what I thought would happen.
there is one thing i think you should do and thatn is to switch the the electrodes there might be a slight difference in the electrolytes. and one more thing switch the maganets to the other set plates if it is done easily enuff. The vibrations are very interesting to say the least. I had tried an expreriment with making a large coil around my cell and used the same curent that the cell used. just dudnt have the right test equipment to get results of importance
@uawwildbob I switched tanks after the video just to double check the electrolite. Sorry I did not record it. I did it after this video before I shut down the test. The results were identical. The plates with magnets still outperformed the other set in the exact same manner. I did not switch the magnets to the other set of electrodes. Trust me. They are identical.
i beleave ya that they are identical . the magnets might be pulling the plates just a little closer together. And the only other thing left to do is test the out put for each cell . just to get a lpm for the current
Nice work! I did notice more bubbles on the side of the plates without magnet in your first video. I'm now wondering what would happen in the plates fit snugly in a thin plastic container, where you could slap on the magnets, dry and away from the current, from the outside. The container would be hardest to build or otherwise obtain I'm afraid. As the outsides of the plates are now covered with the magnets, perhaps the non-mag plates might be covered with similar metal, to look for an effect? J
Nice work! I did notice more bubbles on the side of the plates without magnet in your first video. I'm now wondering what would happen in the plates fit snugly in a thin plastic container, where you could slap on the magnets, dry and away from the current, from the outside. The container would be hardest to build or otherwise obtain I'm afraid. As the outsides of the plates are now covered with the magnets, perhaps the non-mag plates might be covered with similar metal, to look for an effect? J
@Cloxxki My guess is that the magnetic field is making an easier path for the ion flow between the plates with the magnets attached. The other set is being affected in the same way our dry cells get current leakage.
@Cloxxki The reason you get more production of hydroxy by using magnets is because, magnetism causes the atoms to "spin" this will assist in releasing the gas bubbles from the plates, and allow room for more bubbles to settle on the plates.......................etc. etc.
I noticed that the plates from cell without the magnets is producing gas at the backside from the plates as well, so a lot of gas does not rise up between the plates. I could not see if that is also the case with the cell that has the magnets. I guess that without measurements from the gas output you will have more questions then answers. And some variables can be eliminated, the plate surface can be calculated, and if corrections are needed then it can be done after gas output measurements.
@insAneTunA Yes, That is my next move. I have learned all I can here. I need to be able to measure the gas. The only absolute measurable result so far is that the plates with magnets do draw more power.
Are the magnets actually squeezing the plate together and reducing the water gap ? Because it that's the case, it would be no benefit at all. How were the plates separated between the magnet area ? Was the electrolite mixed the same too ? Were the plates cured the same as each other ? Is it the same exact surface are plate size ? Are the magnets insulated in the solution - do they add to surface area as a plate surface conductor, like more plate surface? TOO MANY VARIABLES UNCHECKED.
@newagemotor I can tell by your questions that you have not watched the first video or read the comment section. You need to. Most of your questions will be answered if you do. While you are very correct that there are way too many variables to make any snap judgements the initial results are very promising. That is why I have been very careful not to say that this does work. It does however have enough promise to warrent further testing.
@HHOPWR Would very big 20 volt 1 Farad capacitors from car audio applications help to smooth out the ripple? Those caps are not expensive, have digital volt reading, and they can handle way more then 500 watt. In fact they are not used if less then 500 watt is used by the amplifier.
@insAneTunA Recently I was lucky and got one of those capacitors for free and one for almost nothing :-))
I also got some wood for free, I am collecting materials for my own solar collector/heater made from wood, a glass window and a bunch of empty soda/beer cans.
an array of 6 +/- devices run in series at 12v might be simpler to pull off ... D3 used a setup similar to that with pretty good results for a long time until he managed to blow up all 6 at the same time ...
one item that would be interesting would be to see if the same effect is present on neutral plates in a series cell ... think I would want to try that before I constructed the dry cell ... may only need the magnets on the ends of the stack is what I am thinking ...
Hello Larry, Please try to place the magnet around half to 1 inch away from the plates and see what you get..The North side facing the plates..I have done it in my old spiral ( Shigeta Hasebe us pat 4747925.) on top of it, and you are right, it has less resistance, it's pulling higher amps compared with no magnets..You have a nice presentation.
Hi again Larry, can you try a magnet with a higher gauss? a bigger one just like the one used by the Mythbuster in changing the course of a bullet fired in line with these strong neodynium magnets..It's very interesting to see that..Please continue this test...Regards
I suppose you couldn't get nickel plated neodymium magnets as plates and use insulators between them to keep them apart. Only question is do magnets as plates conduct electricity as plain nickel plates do??
altern8energy 1 year ago
@altern8energy I think I will sandwich the magnets between 2 plates and hardwire the plates together so I do not have to rely on the magnets to make a connection.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
When water H2O is separated using Electrolysis you end up with two molecules of hydrogen the proper nomenclature is H2 and only ONE molecule of oxygen which is simply O so the proper nomenclature for these separate gases is not HHO it is H2/O the forward / indicates that these are separate gases that are not bonded together. Anyone who has taken even one semester of chemistry should know this.
ke4uyp 1 year ago
@ke4uyp Yes we all know that. HHo, Hydroxy, Browns gas are just a few ways we describe the gas resulting from splitting water. Just like we get a drink of water and not a drink of H2O. As long as we understand what we are talking about then I am not sure that describing the gas as it would be described in chemistry class really matters.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
@ke4uyp HHO is the same as H2O because in math you take "HH". which would be the same as H^2 or H2. The O would be for OXYGEN so people call it HHO since
H2O or H^2O is the same.
FUNKBOOGIE1 1 year ago
On my pulse motors i am always amazed at how powerful the neo magnets are when I get them going. The thing that has me baffled in your case is you have no moving parts.... Can you put a compass by the device and see if the magnetic fields are fluctuating? Thanks for sharing.!
marthale7 1 year ago
I thinks you have hit on something very important. Since I am the low voltage guy, there is no way to get that production in your first video with 1.9 volts, 500 mills, no way. Please check and double check, but I think this is real. When I hit on my over unity circuit, it was like your results, I couldn't believe it, so after build nine of them, it proved to me I that I had something.
hhoforvolts 1 year ago
@hhoforvolts I have double and triple checked. I also use only the best Fluke meters available. I even switched the meters and ran the power through the other meter. It was 1.91 volts and between 400 and 500 miliamps. That I am quite sure of. That said the camera makes the production look greater than it really is.
Larry
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
@HHOPWR Still its a much greater amount with the magnets.
hhoforvolts 1 year ago
@hhoforvolts Yes, That is certain. The plates with the magnets are producing alot more gas. If you watch the video and listen closely to the sound as I move the camera from one to the other you can clearly hear the difference. I had not noticed that until I watched the video myself.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
You might want to mount the magnets on the outside of the cell somehow. That way the electrolyte won't deteriorate thee magnets.
joewilder 1 year ago
@joewilder I am going to desigh a device where the magnets can contact the plates yet remain out of the e-lite. I will do a video on the plates and magnets. You will see that indeed the magnets on the Cathode deteriated while the magnets on the Anode were unaffected. Just what I thought would happen.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
there is one thing i think you should do and thatn is to switch the the electrodes there might be a slight difference in the electrolytes. and one more thing switch the maganets to the other set plates if it is done easily enuff. The vibrations are very interesting to say the least. I had tried an expreriment with making a large coil around my cell and used the same curent that the cell used. just dudnt have the right test equipment to get results of importance
uawwildbob 1 year ago
@uawwildbob I switched tanks after the video just to double check the electrolite. Sorry I did not record it. I did it after this video before I shut down the test. The results were identical. The plates with magnets still outperformed the other set in the exact same manner. I did not switch the magnets to the other set of electrodes. Trust me. They are identical.
Larrt
HHOPWR 1 year ago
i beleave ya that they are identical . the magnets might be pulling the plates just a little closer together. And the only other thing left to do is test the out put for each cell . just to get a lpm for the current
uawwildbob 1 year ago
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Nice work! I did notice more bubbles on the side of the plates without magnet in your first video. I'm now wondering what would happen in the plates fit snugly in a thin plastic container, where you could slap on the magnets, dry and away from the current, from the outside. The container would be hardest to build or otherwise obtain I'm afraid. As the outsides of the plates are now covered with the magnets, perhaps the non-mag plates might be covered with similar metal, to look for an effect? J
Cloxxki 1 year ago
Nice work! I did notice more bubbles on the side of the plates without magnet in your first video. I'm now wondering what would happen in the plates fit snugly in a thin plastic container, where you could slap on the magnets, dry and away from the current, from the outside. The container would be hardest to build or otherwise obtain I'm afraid. As the outsides of the plates are now covered with the magnets, perhaps the non-mag plates might be covered with similar metal, to look for an effect? J
Cloxxki 1 year ago
@Cloxxki My guess is that the magnetic field is making an easier path for the ion flow between the plates with the magnets attached. The other set is being affected in the same way our dry cells get current leakage.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
@Cloxxki The reason you get more production of hydroxy by using magnets is because, magnetism causes the atoms to "spin" this will assist in releasing the gas bubbles from the plates, and allow room for more bubbles to settle on the plates.......................etc. etc.
goldbergmniven 1 year ago
This is freeky stuff. Keep us posted
BespokeGroupUK 1 year ago
Maybe its not the cell resistance, it's the forward voltage...
Keep em' coming!!
afdhalatifftan92 1 year ago
Try insulating the magnets from the plates ? Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
Only difference I can see is in the surface area increase due to thickness of magnets ? maybe more contact area ? Gary
llewgnal 1 year ago
Waters surface retention is changing do to the use of magnets.
beginerhydro 1 year ago
I noticed that the plates from cell without the magnets is producing gas at the backside from the plates as well, so a lot of gas does not rise up between the plates. I could not see if that is also the case with the cell that has the magnets. I guess that without measurements from the gas output you will have more questions then answers. And some variables can be eliminated, the plate surface can be calculated, and if corrections are needed then it can be done after gas output measurements.
insAneTunA 1 year ago
@insAneTunA Yes, That is my next move. I have learned all I can here. I need to be able to measure the gas. The only absolute measurable result so far is that the plates with magnets do draw more power.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
Are the magnets actually squeezing the plate together and reducing the water gap ? Because it that's the case, it would be no benefit at all. How were the plates separated between the magnet area ? Was the electrolite mixed the same too ? Were the plates cured the same as each other ? Is it the same exact surface are plate size ? Are the magnets insulated in the solution - do they add to surface area as a plate surface conductor, like more plate surface? TOO MANY VARIABLES UNCHECKED.
newagemotor 1 year ago
@newagemotor I can tell by your questions that you have not watched the first video or read the comment section. You need to. Most of your questions will be answered if you do. While you are very correct that there are way too many variables to make any snap judgements the initial results are very promising. That is why I have been very careful not to say that this does work. It does however have enough promise to warrent further testing.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
there must be a ripple in your DC if that stack is vibrating...
m3sca1 1 year ago
@m3sca1 There probably is. It is mostly home made.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
@HHOPWR Would very big 20 volt 1 Farad capacitors from car audio applications help to smooth out the ripple? Those caps are not expensive, have digital volt reading, and they can handle way more then 500 watt. In fact they are not used if less then 500 watt is used by the amplifier.
Greets, iT
insAneTunA 1 year ago
@insAneTunA Recently I was lucky and got one of those capacitors for free and one for almost nothing :-))
I also got some wood for free, I am collecting materials for my own solar collector/heater made from wood, a glass window and a bunch of empty soda/beer cans.
insAneTunA 1 year ago
Nice
mikepowers420 1 year ago
an array of 6 +/- devices run in series at 12v might be simpler to pull off ... D3 used a setup similar to that with pretty good results for a long time until he managed to blow up all 6 at the same time ...
one item that would be interesting would be to see if the same effect is present on neutral plates in a series cell ... think I would want to try that before I constructed the dry cell ... may only need the magnets on the ends of the stack is what I am thinking ...
SmartScarecrow 1 year ago
@SmartScarecrow There is much to test and many unansewered questions. First observations are positive but I have been there many many times.
Larry
HHOPWR 1 year ago
@HHOPWR
Hello Larry, Please try to place the magnet around half to 1 inch away from the plates and see what you get..The North side facing the plates..I have done it in my old spiral ( Shigeta Hasebe us pat 4747925.) on top of it, and you are right, it has less resistance, it's pulling higher amps compared with no magnets..You have a nice presentation.
Ian
2bigHybrid 1 year ago
@2bigHybrid
Hi again Larry, can you try a magnet with a higher gauss? a bigger one just like the one used by the Mythbuster in changing the course of a bullet fired in line with these strong neodynium magnets..It's very interesting to see that..Please continue this test...Regards
Ian
2bigHybrid 1 year ago