@socrates6068 /watch?v=3KTk-WVt82I you see man in greece what he say that he is no greek but macedonian IN GREEK STATE are most people helenized 20 procent slav than you have albanian im from greece idiot so i know
@MARKOforever100 and were the fuck i come from?korea?i m greek idiot so i know things here better than you,you belong to the brainwashed community with the rest of bulgarians here who believe are macedonians,,,,,,,,,,,,lol you always give useless facts...so what if some people here claim they are macedonians(bulgarians!)...and albanians think alexander was half albanian!wtf?should i believe them too?we have ancient historians,scripts,coins,museums, all but ALL of them connect him with greece,,
@MARKOforever100 everything is greek on him but you still saying bullshit,,give real facts not what some brainwashed people say or end this shit!herodotus,strabo,thucidides,aristotle,platon andmany many more say he was greek,,,he admitted even himself,ITS WRITTEN!
@MARKOforever100 so who the fuck are you to ignore it?you speak bulgarian,your name is bulgarian for sure,your alphabet is bulgarian,your prime minister admitted it,there are proofs that this is all tito s propaganda and you keep going,,,,give me a break bulgarian or search better,,,,the proofs are everywhere except your country(what a surprise!)
@MARKOforever100 do you know what is propaganda?before i think a few months there were a speech in toronto i think with many known historians worldwide,,,from many countries and their speech was about alexander s campaign and reffered to him as greekmacedonian(like saying greek spartan)...do you know what your newspapers wrote?greece paid an antimacedonian propaganda in toronto...loooooooool,,,,educate yourself and go to a foreign country to know the truth,dont tell me about political games
@MARKOforever100 that 130 countries recognized etc,,,you think they would have any problem if your name was banana?NO,they just want you in nato the usa and they give you the name because you lick teir balls,for example you named a road i think george bush(loooooooooooooooooooooooool)...politically,maybe you ll be macedonian not for long,but historically you re just a bulgaroslav and macedonian history belongs totally to greek heritage!!! E.D.U.C.A.T.E Y.O.U.R.S.E.L.F!!!
@MARKOforever100 your dna is closer to donkey sperm and monkey we got these from your fathers pussy who was full of doggy sperm admit it that you are a bloody bulgaroserbturk or keep lying your self makedonoid (aka monkeydonian paranoid fascistoid ) oh btw is that on the proffill icon bulgarian symboll wow you are again a prood bulgarian :) go on take the green card and be again in a prood bulgarian
@666Beefman gamiete h ellada, palio guftoi tourkosporoi ola auta pou exete einai klemena. to aigaio einai diko mas kai h thessalonikh kai olh h ellada.
@MARKOforever100 yeah sure go back to narnia the place that you are realy bellong coz in fact you live a fairytaill you seem that you didnt know that in the geographical of macedonia we got many ethnicities and macedonians were ethnic greek latter durring ottoman years the word macedon was the on who were living the region of macedonia even he was a serb jew greek or bulgaria but ethnic macedonian not ,, coz ethnic means same language relligion and blood goodnight bulgarian
They pretend that they are the ancient macedonian's but they are not We are the ancient macedonian's and we are one of the oldes't People in the EU MAYBE IN THE WORLD !!
you stoled our Agean Macedonia or Belomorska in 1913 in Balkan wars if you dont have that part now you will be hungry all the time because under mount olimp there are little trees stones and olives and your history is under olimp in Athens Crete... you have stolen our history and you have droven our people and my family too my grandpa grandma and now there i have house of mine family near Vardar (Aksios) pella where macedonians live!!! so greece shut the fuck up!! You denied us because we exist
HAHAHAHHA! so greece do you think that you are the people of alexander philip??? Noo!! if we see you, you are like a gipsy people with dark black hair... and the your women are fat and small
We in skopje do you know how we look like?? For me I have light brown curly hair and my friends too we are tall and our girls women are tall and beautiful!!
you say that we are slavs,, yes we are but wnem slavs came hire we have been mixed and now macedonain people are 20% slav and 80% ancient macedonians!!!
@darkomacedonia8 then you must have been idiots for mixing with short ugly ppl. If you wouldn have mixed and water down your genes by 80% you d be 3meters tall now.
That actually was a propaganda. There is no solid proof that there is ancient macedonian DNA under any form. Most of these tests are propaganda's with mostly political reasons.
@Asenpopov how? they took from modern macedonians and all other nations on the balkan. By the tree of life, and how people evolved and spread on the lands, illyrians thracyans cretes and macedonians all belong to one same group of people "old-mediterean people" which confirms that macedonians were already settled on those lands before even greeks learned to talkd. Greeks otherwise belong to the group of people who camed from close shores of Africa and Ethiopia more precisley. Thats how
@maduav and modern macedonians too they showed belong to the same group of people, while you greeks dont, so thats the issue not that they TOOK SAMPLE OF BLOOD OR HAIR stupid! Thats not made by u or me or your propaganda! Its done by scientist and people who know the history! People who know for real from where Macedonians are and Greeks! Who stupiud u are to belive they took sample from ancient macedonian ? They compared ours "modern macedonians" with ancient and their roots- complete match!
@maduav Don't talk rubbish fool. I just told you idiot, Roman Scholtz of iGenea stated on iGenea's forum.... in answer to some retarded FYRomians question.... that NO DNA FROM THE ANCIENT MACEDONIA GRAVE REMAINS HAS BEEN RECOVERED TO DATE. That means there is no DNA data on the ancient Greek-Macedonians. Besides which, all historians are agreed that the ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe and Greek speaking.
@maduav Whaat? Did you know that the barbaric raids in the Dark Ages nearly destroyed all population on the balkans ? Then the bulgarians settled northern bulgaria and another group of bulgarians settled in modern day Macedonia. And i got to say this - No balkanics are not fully mediterranian ;)
It's all propaganda. First F.Y.R.O.M paid encyclopedia Britannica to make Tzar Samuil into "macedonian" when he was obviously bulgarian and now this. Just stop stealing history.
@HaggisMacfee yes, too many greeks were singing "cry me a river" and then propaganda turned up and of course these results cannot be official! Yeah? Why not ? when everything is done scientific so all you can do now is CRY ME A RIVER
@maduav Roman Scholtz of iGenea himself told everyone on the iGenea message board that "NO DNA HAS EVER BEEN RECOVERED FROM THE ANCIENT MACEDONIAN GRAVE REMAINS" In other words NO DNA data on Alexander the great's Macedonians of ancient Greece exists. If you've misconstrued iGenea's results its not my fault. Go and complain to Roman Scholtz.. So in other words, it's you that's up the 'SWANEE RIVER'.
@HaggisMacfee thank you for lightning me ;) i didnt know it ;) btw its not called by some greek tribe makedonoi which doesnt exist, maybe yes it was in greek mythology :) for some reasons.
first, greece as name and country too never existed before 1813 so it couldnt be greek tribe :)
secondly macedonians are settled on the balkans allong with illyrians and thracyans and cretans some time before greeks did and have nothing related with them FULLSTOP
@Asenpopov slavs actually came from the place NO ONE ON THIS EARTH KNOWS, and i wonder WHY ? By any logic it can be the people left from the great army of Alexander in Asia and after 5 centuries is returning home, for how else that specific race of people would go just like that straight to macedonia :)
This scientific test proves who we are! U canno deny it !
Greeks are a very interesting kind of people , the whole world recognized Macedonia as a country and Macedonians as a proper civilization and now even Igenea has,they still argue about it , let me tell you something my father is a world renowned archaeologist and since the day i was born he has been telling me that Macedonia is a genuine country and Macedonians are a genuine people whose descendants are antic Macedonians . Igenena has recognized Macedonians through science , believe it .
Can any of you Greeks explain to me just one think. If you such a educated rise and know history, way after 1926 Greeks have change 4000 names on cities, towns, villages, mountains, rives, regions even the names on tombstones in cemeteries and so on if Greece had nothing to hide?? Do you Greeks studding your on writing history and if you do in what year Greece take control of Aegean Macedonia. Surely you all know that the year was 1913
@Patriotism1000 i feel so bad for you , fail guy from the propaganda, i want to ask you something and if you have the education level answer me , Why ancient macedonian things (Status weapons and more) have Greek words on em and Ancient macedonian names are Greek names ?i'm sure that u will answer BUT GREECE WAS SOMETHING LIKE USA THAT DAYS..and what? AT WEAPONS Always the proud ppl use their language ... please go die 3rd world rat...
You have nothing and you never had anyting to give to civilization! In all of your history you were goat lovers and Slavs. Your language has nothing to do with TRUE macedonian language. Even the name ALEXANDER (ALEXANDROS) has greek origin. Stop stealing Greek culture and history. You have always been the bitches of the Americans and you continue to be........ Look to your own problems (alcoholism, prostitution, crimes etc) and stop harashing the true history! You should have been ashamed!!!!!
Unfortunately for the extremists from the Region of Vardarska, there's no human being that has studied just a bit of History that will ever think that your new born State has anything to do with Ancient Greek Macedonia.
The most funny part is that you cannot even read the name of Alexandros or Filippos which on all ancient marbles are written in Greek since they actually mean something: the one chosen by men & the friend of horses.
Hahahahahah funny shit!Did the Soros company do that again?You know that the "scientists" that did that "research" are now in jail for spreading false information?Fuckers
Igenea retracted it's report about the hapologroups in FYROM about 1 year ago - due to lack of proper scientifical material. I am sorry guys. Apparently Igenea admits it made a big mistake.
Also, Igenea refuses to take DNA samples from the bones of Olympia and Philip II and to compare those DNA samples.
Igenea clearly stated that not enough people from FYRO were tested. Apparently, this was just a diversion to make neighbor hate neighbor.
if you are real macedonians...why are you speak language very similar to bulgarians? everybody knows that ancient macedonians used old greek! that is a fact....and science and politics DO mix up when usa support is on the wrong side!
@CCCCXD If your mother is Chinese and your father is American but, your mother migrates to San Francisco to be with your father. You are brought up in an American culture, you are baptised Roman Catholic, you do not read or write Chinese, do you cease to be Chinese. This is the answer to your question, you do not cease to be Chinese because youe DNA and features are the relevant marker. Why do you pose the same question with respect to Macedonia, when you clearly know the answer!
@shockolanu The same region that was renamed Macedonia in 1989, prior to this time the region was only referred to as Nth. Greece. The Greeks practised genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Macedonian; what is the reality of a comment that they need now unite with Greece! These web commentaries are not written with consideration of historic reality.
My roots are in Veria and Vergina. So, my dear Macedonian, if you feel like a Macedonian, please unite with Greece.
If you feel hungry for: a name, a history and lands, I sugest you claim them from Bulgaria, as you claimed the "Ethnic Macedonian" emblem - Bulgarian Lion.
BTW, Igenea retracted it's report, "due to insuficient scientific material". If you want to find out who the Makedones are, go to Vergina, take the DNA of Philip and compare it with whomever you want to compare it
@CarlitoArgentina What exactly does this have to do with us Macedonians? Do you know that the word Bulgari means turkic race? In Macedonia we have never had monkeys. What don't you understand about igenea study, the ancient macedonians assimilated with the slavs, the slavic language dominated and continued. Macedonian ancestry continues within the current people of Macedonia. Why shouldn't Macedonia undertake archaelogical search within its own territories, hypothesis with respect to findings.
@sandra27gr Why don't you go fuck yourself! We are never peder, gypsy or slavobulgar! You are a fucken gypsy cunt! Why don't you go back to the Greek Isles and serve cold ouzo & orange juice to homosexual nudist male tourists, that is the full extent of your intelligence!
Uau, seeing a dude from your country slaming a Greek over intelligence is ackward.
Why are you upset about being called Slavo-Bulgar? Are you ashamed of your influences? Then you should be ashamed of the Serb and Albanian influences too. Since you deny your Slavonism and most probably your relation with Albania... there is nothing left of you except to declare yourselves Greek, Macedonians, lover of Hellenism.
After that, maybe you will help serve cold ouzo and orange juice to gay
@MACED0NN >> Krste Misirkov, 1903, "our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians"
Krste Misirkov - expressed the ethnicity of the Slavs living in "Macedonia" including his own ethnicity, calling them pure Bulgarians.
FYROM language - West Bulgarian Skopian
FYROM PRESIDENT KIRO GLIGOROV: "WE ARE SLAVS - THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT .. WE CAME HERE IN THE 6TH CENTURY AFTER CHRIST"
@SMYRNAfreedom Funny you should mentioned the quote from a Macedonian President-Kiro Gligorov. He also said that Modern day greeks cannot claim descent from Alexander the great.
Never iGenea did compare current populations to ancient DNA from known macedonians! iGenea is currently unable to differenciate an ancient macedonian DNA from other hellens like athenians,... No macedonian profile does exist at iGenea but only Hellen, Illyrian, Phenician, Baltic, Slavic,...
If all archeological founds till today are not enough for people trying to create an identity then nothing else to do for them. than playing with Rosetta stone...
iGENEA DNA also said that from the people sampled purely from NORTHERN GREECE (ANCIENT MACEDON) had 62% correlation, so enjoy those facts. Obviously out of Greece and its entirity not many are going to be ancient maco, because theyre not, only northerners are...
Im sorry that you cant accept your slavic background.
PS: Alexander was born in Edhessa, look up where that is :)
"...... when they were asked 'how did you define the Macedonian DNA?" they answered we named Macedonian DNA the DNA found in the majority of "Macedonians" (Skopje)
So in reality they did not any samples from Philippos or any other Macedonian grave, but first found a majority DNA from Skopje people which was Slavic and the named it Macedonian. So once again miss-quoting the real meaning of 'Macedonian" gives again the wrong definition..."
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A big fuss about DNA. What is the relation of fyrom people to the ancient macedonians? They run after genes to prove themselves about what? Their civilization and culture are slavic. Macedonians speak greek for thousand of years (ancient macedonian was doric greek)
If I have the gens of an ancient Macedonian, than I am one too. I may call myself however I want, you can't deny anything, even if you are Macedonia, than mine country and your would unite.
You can believe what you like but this igenea gens stuff is ridiculous. After all, no serious scientist accepts this. Greek Macedonia is 90% of the historic Macedonia. Fyrom is outside Macedonia. If Tito had defined different borders, could Kossovo be Macedonia today? And who knows maybe Vojvodina too...
the reliable source that proves you are macedonians lol is a study on turkish and iranian mice, mus macedonicus and mus domesticus.
let me know if you want the link where imma pazzos confirms this
reliable? its as reliable as you are real macedonians. how many countries recognize you as ancients again? oh thats right..NONE, NIL, NADA, ZILCH AND IN REAL MACEDONIAN - ΜΙΔΕΝ
There is a profile that is considered Macedonian. This profile shows large similarities with the GREEKS. There are now also in Macedonia (FYROM) people with Macedonian roots, especially in the mountain areas.
oh look at that you are political slavic creatures and the true macedonians are GREEKS
One thus cannot analyse a relationship between Macedonians (FYROM) and Bulgarian. Of course there is a common origin between Bulgarian and Macedonian. Macedonians, have like the Bulgarians also a Slavic origin
When we talk about Macedonian roots, it defines the primitive tribe of the Macedonian. The actual Macedonian today are a political folk, but not a genetic
why call us fyromskys as ethiopians??they think it hurt us??ethiopia has 4000 glory history,we have nothing to do with ethilpia.but ethiopias history is superior to fyrom.your history started with tito,ethiopians are much better then u.
i stand in awe in front of science.I m curious how a15% of slavs managed to impose their culture to the rest 85%.it must be the supreme culture of the slavs...
also you are more germanic than slav..i wish hitler could knew this.your grandfathers should have enlisted to the ss.WHAT I THINK OF YOU IS THAT YOU ARE 100% SLAVS+200%ALBANIANS=1000%UNTERMENSCH.AND IF YOU DON T LIKE MY MATH GO FUCK YOUR GOAT YOU FUCKING SLAVIC BASTARDS
what a stuipid video ...it isnt so easy ...would you have been on idenaes homepage and wpuld you have readet you would know...even igenea confirms that many dates are abused bye FYROM propaganda :) go on the webside read bye urselfe
"In the late Middle Ages, new waves of invaders swept over the Albanian-populated lands. Thanks to their protective mountains, close-knit tribal society, and sheer pertinacity, however, the Albanian people preserved and developed their distinctive Illyrian identity and language."
If anyone wants to see genetic tests based on pure science, links to send a personal message! Iliri, Teutons, etc., and Thracians. groups are not genetic, it is ethnicity?
Ако някой иска да види генетични тестове основани на чиста наука, пращам линкове на лично съобщение! Илири, тевтонци, траки и тн. не са генетични групи, това са народи!
Нямя гeнeтичeн тeст, който да може да покаже това! Генетичните тестове могат да покажат в прослойки от населението честота на HLA, HLA-DRB1, HLA-DQB1 и тн. алели, но да се прави връзка с хора измреми преди 1000-2000 години не е генетика, а политика!)))
уште полошо е кога држави како Грција и Бугарија без никакви испитувања своите народи ги нарекуваат директни потомци на некои антички народи, пример ХЕЛЕНИ(а пак истиве никогаш не постоеле всушност никогаш не се изговорило ни х од хелени како збор-измислен е во1830) или што знам кои, а нај нај ужасно е кога пак истиве споменати земји, соседните народи ги присвојуваат за свои демек генетски се исти.. чија метода на днк анализирање ја користат пак тогаш?
iGenea is practicing magic. Why do they have a Macedonian 'race'? Why not also have Athenian, Spartan, Theban DNA. Why not go back and deduce DNA composition based on Dorians and Ionians? Do you see how arbitrary these labels become?
Why does their sample for FYROM sum up to 100% using only 7 groups? Are there no other groups influencing this race at all not even 0.1%? Is there utterly no noise or error in their derivation?! How did they derive Slavic DNA? iGenea is quackery, nothing more.
its logic, this is so stupid result, plus the fact that Soros admitted in an interview that it was founded by ur goverment.
i dont think that japanese are west afrikans(as the test says if u have red it) nor that armenians are turks(according to them there is no armenian dna!). or that there is separate germanic and viking dna(when all sientist consider it the same).
plus how the hell they found 100 samples of phoenician and hunic dns, when historians couldnt?
...Kourites, Lapathites, Lokroi, Minies, Molossus, Haones, even history is not sure how many of those tribes survived to consist the latter Hellenic tribe and in what analogy
And this so called search comes to tells us about our ancestors DNA? and you still believe it for what? to prove that Macedonians have diffenerent DNA from the Greeks?
come on use your brains they stopped the Historical fight (due to thousands proofs that don't support their "theory") and came back with DNA "proofs"?
This so called research goes back to Phoenicians and Illyrians (we are not even sure about their exact establisments but we are sure about their DNA) and couldn't manage to find out the diferences between Hellenic tribes
Ancient Hellines were not homogenous they were the combination of different ancient tribes, some of them are Dorians, Achaeus, Aioleis, Ionians(thats how Turks called Greeks "Yunan") Dioi, Thespieis, Thesprotoi...
Macedonians where a Hellenic tribe just as Czech are Slavic tribe, but it doesn't mean that it must be one country with all the rest and they have no right to exist. Use your brain, not just your fingers.
There is a lot of Slavic blood in Greeks too. On the other hand you reject Slavic connection. Slavic tribes are very successful, just look at the Europe. Antic Macedonians mixed, they had no choice. But still they are Macedonians. And as long as they have their national identity, there is nothing you can do about it. And don't tell me that you can use your funny army or veto in EU.
So in the most commonly used Plutarchs book by FYROMs propaganda, they havent bothered themselves looking evenin the title and to whom Plutarch is refering to.
Its as irrational and insane as someone quoting a book called Julius Ceasar Roman Biographies to prove that Julius Ceasar is notRoman!!! isn't it???
Title of the book:
« PLUTARCH
THE AGE OF ALEXANDER
Putarch's Lives of the great Greek statesmen and... »
For Outstanding Achievement in Misleading the Public about Human Population Genetics.
If you have time to kill, browse around the site, it is priceless as entertainment, and don't forget to stop by this thread where the company not only asserts that Y-chromosomes of ancient Greeks and Macedonians have been tested, pointing to completely irrelevant bibliography, as "evidence", but also lists the percentages of various ancient tribes in modern nations.
Apparently, Bulgarians are 49% Thracian, while Albanians 18%, whereas Greeks and "Macedonians" 0%. Those Thracians must have evacuated from Greek Thrace and flown over Macedonia to settle in Albania :)
f you have any understanding of population genetics, no more needs to be said.
But, if you are a newbie researching the field, spend some time to educate yourself, and don't trust companies that offer you the sky. If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't.
@MACED0NN Greeks came from north-east Europe 3000B.C. they locaded to the Greek land and made civilaziation,Greeks are white,no mongol looking like the trides from east (Turks),no gypsie looking but Greek,Ethiopians are pure black people,if you come to Greece you wont see any black man that call him self Greek,how fucking retarded can you be for actually believe Greeks are black?pathetic bulgarian wonnabe Macedonias MADE IN U.S.A
@Brainiz619Enigma I have never met a white Greek, you must be living in a totally different millineum from the rest of us! You won't see a black man but, you will see people of olive complexion. The population of Macedonia have on average 30% antic macedonian DNA, we are Macedonian you better except the reality or be ostracised as a racist! Which you invariably are!
The IGENEA report has been debunked since it's first appearance. Go to their website and see the frustrated Albano-Bulgarians who keep asking: WHY DID YOU DELETE THE REPORT??? And see their response: Because of insuficient scientific material.
Over and over again: If you feel Macedonian and by nature Hellenic, go unite with Greece. I have seen many from your country who love Hellenism. Ah, but those are oppressed by the fustrated ultra-nationalists like you.
@shockolanu why we should ally with greece when greece is not macedonia. Macedonia nor ever was! In fact she was Kingdom. And ps. GREECE DIDNT EXISTED UNTIL 1813
THE WHO?
the rightful?...aaaaahahahahahahahahaha.......
based on results from IGENEA??...aaaaahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
LISTEN FOOLS ONCE AND FOR ALL TIMES
MAKEDONIA WAS IS AND ALLWAYS BE HELLENIC TO THE END OF TIMES!!!
kostasdania 6 days ago
the dna test was promoted by fyromgypsies thats why it never published....wake up morons
socrates6068 1 week ago
@socrates6068 glupse mou ta arxidia de arap macedonian from salonica
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 klase mou ton poutson brwmiari boulgaoeides!sklave to kefali katw.
socrates6068 1 week ago
@socrates6068 IDIOT i live northern greece so i know what im talking who know how slavs
are helenized or vlach ,albanians DEN IPARXUN ELLINES STIN ELLADA
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 so what?that makes you educated?fucking shit...arxidi uparxoun ellines eite s aresei eite de s aresei,dexou to kai skase.idiot
socrates6068 1 week ago
@socrates6068 /watch?v=3KTk-WVt82I you see man in greece what he say that he is no greek but macedonian IN GREEK STATE are most people helenized 20 procent slav than you have albanian im from greece idiot so i know
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 and were the fuck i come from?korea?i m greek idiot so i know things here better than you,you belong to the brainwashed community with the rest of bulgarians here who believe are macedonians,,,,,,,,,,,,lol you always give useless facts...so what if some people here claim they are macedonians(bulgarians!)...and albanians think alexander was half albanian!wtf?should i believe them too?we have ancient historians,scripts,coins,museums, all but ALL of them connect him with greece,,
socrates6068 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 everything is greek on him but you still saying bullshit,,give real facts not what some brainwashed people say or end this shit!herodotus,strabo,thucidides,aristotle,platon andmany many more say he was greek,,,he admitted even himself,ITS WRITTEN!
socrates6068 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 so who the fuck are you to ignore it?you speak bulgarian,your name is bulgarian for sure,your alphabet is bulgarian,your prime minister admitted it,there are proofs that this is all tito s propaganda and you keep going,,,,give me a break bulgarian or search better,,,,the proofs are everywhere except your country(what a surprise!)
socrates6068 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 do you know what is propaganda?before i think a few months there were a speech in toronto i think with many known historians worldwide,,,from many countries and their speech was about alexander s campaign and reffered to him as greekmacedonian(like saying greek spartan)...do you know what your newspapers wrote?greece paid an antimacedonian propaganda in toronto...loooooooool,,,,educate yourself and go to a foreign country to know the truth,dont tell me about political games
socrates6068 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 that 130 countries recognized etc,,,you think they would have any problem if your name was banana?NO,they just want you in nato the usa and they give you the name because you lick teir balls,for example you named a road i think george bush(loooooooooooooooooooooooool)...politically,maybe you ll be macedonian not for long,but historically you re just a bulgaroslav and macedonian history belongs totally to greek heritage!!! E.D.U.C.A.T.E Y.O.U.R.S.E.L.F!!!
socrates6068 1 week ago
funny thing that now days a fyromian scientist said that they dna of yours are closer to bulgarian and serb
666Beefman 1 month ago
@666Beefman greek dna is close to arab and albanian glupse mou ta arxidia de arap macedonian from salonica
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 your dna is closer to donkey sperm and monkey we got these from your fathers pussy who was full of doggy sperm admit it that you are a bloody bulgaroserbturk or keep lying your self makedonoid (aka monkeydonian paranoid fascistoid ) oh btw is that on the proffill icon bulgarian symboll wow you are again a prood bulgarian :) go on take the green card and be again in a prood bulgarian
666Beefman 1 week ago
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@666Beefman gamiete h ellada, palio guftoi tourkosporoi ola auta pou exete einai klemena. to aigaio einai diko mas kai h thessalonikh kai olh h ellada.
2013 8a sas gamhsoume tis manes :)) tourkospore
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@666Beefman greek dna is arabian ethiiopian gypises
MARKOforever100 1 week ago
@MARKOforever100 yeah sure go back to narnia the place that you are realy bellong coz in fact you live a fairytaill you seem that you didnt know that in the geographical of macedonia we got many ethnicities and macedonians were ethnic greek latter durring ottoman years the word macedon was the on who were living the region of macedonia even he was a serb jew greek or bulgaria but ethnic macedonian not ,, coz ethnic means same language relligion and blood goodnight bulgarian
666Beefman 1 week ago
WE don't invented these the german's invented these !
MrKristijan97 1 month ago
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS !!! <3 <3 <3
MrKristijan97 1 month ago
They pretend that they are the ancient macedonian's but they are not We are the ancient macedonian's and we are one of the oldes't People in the EU MAYBE IN THE WORLD !!
MrKristijan97 1 month ago
you stoled our Agean Macedonia or Belomorska in 1913 in Balkan wars if you dont have that part now you will be hungry all the time because under mount olimp there are little trees stones and olives and your history is under olimp in Athens Crete... you have stolen our history and you have droven our people and my family too my grandpa grandma and now there i have house of mine family near Vardar (Aksios) pella where macedonians live!!! so greece shut the fuck up!! You denied us because we exist
darkomacedonia8 2 months ago
HAHAHAHHA! so greece do you think that you are the people of alexander philip??? Noo!! if we see you, you are like a gipsy people with dark black hair... and the your women are fat and small
We in skopje do you know how we look like?? For me I have light brown curly hair and my friends too we are tall and our girls women are tall and beautiful!!
you say that we are slavs,, yes we are but wnem slavs came hire we have been mixed and now macedonain people are 20% slav and 80% ancient macedonians!!!
darkomacedonia8 2 months ago
@darkomacedonia8 then you must have been idiots for mixing with short ugly ppl. If you wouldn have mixed and water down your genes by 80% you d be 3meters tall now.
delagrazia 4 weeks ago
That actually was a propaganda. There is no solid proof that there is ancient macedonian DNA under any form. Most of these tests are propaganda's with mostly political reasons.
Asenpopov 4 months ago
@Asenpopov yeah cause macedonia is swiss and we can do whatever we want right ? lol its test from a neutral country!
cry me a river
maduav 4 months ago
@maduav They were payed, smart-ass ;)
Asenpopov 4 months ago
@Asenpopov silliest thing i ever herd!
maduav 4 months ago
@maduav Prove me how they checked that ancient macedonian DNA exists ? Prove it and then I would maybe believe what the video says.
Asenpopov 4 months ago
@Asenpopov how? they took from modern macedonians and all other nations on the balkan. By the tree of life, and how people evolved and spread on the lands, illyrians thracyans cretes and macedonians all belong to one same group of people "old-mediterean people" which confirms that macedonians were already settled on those lands before even greeks learned to talkd. Greeks otherwise belong to the group of people who camed from close shores of Africa and Ethiopia more precisley. Thats how
maduav 4 months ago
@maduav and modern macedonians too they showed belong to the same group of people, while you greeks dont, so thats the issue not that they TOOK SAMPLE OF BLOOD OR HAIR stupid! Thats not made by u or me or your propaganda! Its done by scientist and people who know the history! People who know for real from where Macedonians are and Greeks! Who stupiud u are to belive they took sample from ancient macedonian ? They compared ours "modern macedonians" with ancient and their roots- complete match!
maduav 4 months ago
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
@maduav Whaat? Did you know that the barbaric raids in the Dark Ages nearly destroyed all population on the balkans ? Then the bulgarians settled northern bulgaria and another group of bulgarians settled in modern day Macedonia. And i got to say this - No balkanics are not fully mediterranian ;)
Asenpopov 4 months ago
@madu
Sorry fool, but the Greeks ARE the old mediterranean
people. They are descended from the so-called Pelasgians
and neolithic peoples from 9000BC. The greeks proper
originated from south east of the Baltic sea about 1900 BC.
And don't quote that sub-saharan /african crap you retard,
Clades of E prevalent in Africa were NOT found in
in any tested modern Greeks nor found in any DNA
samples of ancient Greek skeletal remains.
{Ref,Cruciani,Semino,Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi, Ayub et al}
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
Razberite Makedonci!!! nie sme slavjani!!! i Aleksandar i Filip bile!!! procitaj Gjorgi Pulevski so pisal!!!!
RickyPraviMicky 4 months ago
@RickyPraviMicky А кажи им го, братле. Ослепели са от горещия национализъм. :\
Asenpopov 4 months ago
rofl yeah the same research that prooved that japanesse are blacks and indians do not exists rofl monkety pretending the makedonians ...
gloup81 6 months ago
It's all propaganda. First F.Y.R.O.M paid encyclopedia Britannica to make Tzar Samuil into "macedonian" when he was obviously bulgarian and now this. Just stop stealing history.
emilpenkov969 6 months ago
@emilpenkov969 Самуил, цар и самодържец българиски! Няма македонци, няма българи - има един народ разделен от пропагандата на друг завистлив народ.
Asenpopov 4 months ago
@Asenpopov Car Samuil ne bil bugar :) bil makedonec i se borel protiv vizantija ;)
maduav 4 months ago
In fact iGene a stopped and withdrew their ancient folk
culture testing facility because of too many complaints.
And in fact only a few DNA testing kits were bought by
the republic of macedonia [FYRom]. But Roman Scholtz of iGenea admits
that there is NO ancient Macedonian DNA
from the ancient Macedonians of Alexander
the Great in existence because none has ever been
extracted from ancient Macedonian Graves
in the ancient kindom of Macedonia
in Greece's province of Macedonia.
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago 12
@HaggisMacfee yes, too many greeks were singing "cry me a river" and then propaganda turned up and of course these results cannot be official! Yeah? Why not ? when everything is done scientific so all you can do now is CRY ME A RIVER
maduav 4 months ago
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
@HaggisMacfee Greece got that province in 1913 before that we owned it dumbfuckers.
whatisfuckingavailab 4 months ago
@whatisfuckingavailab
Wrong, before 1913 it was a Turkish province of
the Ottoman empire. Greece freed it from the Turks.
Macedonia has ALWAYS been Greek ethnographic
territory since ancient times, that is, Macedonia
has always been land inhabited by Greeks.
Also, Macedonia was named after the Greek tribe
that lived there called the 'Makedonoi'.
{Macedonia} = a Greek word meaning Highland
from the Greek {macos}meaning tall, high, long.
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
@HaggisMacfee thank you for lightning me ;) i didnt know it ;) btw its not called by some greek tribe makedonoi which doesnt exist, maybe yes it was in greek mythology :) for some reasons.
first, greece as name and country too never existed before 1813 so it couldnt be greek tribe :)
secondly macedonians are settled on the balkans allong with illyrians and thracyans and cretans some time before greeks did and have nothing related with them FULLSTOP
maduav 4 months ago
@maduav
[Roger Wilson, 'The Encyclopadia of Ancient Greece']
"The latest archaeological evidence now CONFIRMS
that Macedonia was named after a Greek tribe or
people called the 'Makedonoi', meaning in Greek
'highlanders' from the Greek {macos} meaning
tall, high, long.
Their local dialect of north-western Greek was later
modified by Philip to Attic Greek".
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
Albanians are the descendents of antic macedonians and illyrians
FYROM slavs are same DNA as Serbs Avars
IllyriaMacedonia 7 months ago
@IllyriaMacedonia
LOSERRRR and Fascistsssssss go away to the Africa :)))
MelaniLin 7 months ago
@MelaniLin
Loooossserrrr, go back to your goats
in Central Asia where your SLAV ancestors came from
HaggisMacfee 7 months ago
@HaggisMacfee slavs actually come from europe.
Asenpopov 4 months ago
@Asenpopov slavs actually came from the place NO ONE ON THIS EARTH KNOWS, and i wonder WHY ? By any logic it can be the people left from the great army of Alexander in Asia and after 5 centuries is returning home, for how else that specific race of people would go just like that straight to macedonia :)
This scientific test proves who we are! U canno deny it !
maduav 4 months ago
@madu
Your an idiot, all your DNA proves is that
you're south slavs. Your DNA is well know,
your relatives are Bulgarians and serbs, and
NOT the ancient Macedonians who were
a Greek tribe.
HaggisMacfee 4 months ago
@IllyriaMacedonia DNA tests can't prove anything. Believe me, I'm inside those stuff ;).
Asenpopov 4 months ago
@Asenpopov me too ;) and i say the opposite, yes they can in huge number!
maduav 4 months ago
i love makedonija ,ja sum makedonec , a site grci neka idat u pm.
macedon238 8 months ago
Greeks are a very interesting kind of people , the whole world recognized Macedonia as a country and Macedonians as a proper civilization and now even Igenea has,they still argue about it , let me tell you something my father is a world renowned archaeologist and since the day i was born he has been telling me that Macedonia is a genuine country and Macedonians are a genuine people whose descendants are antic Macedonians . Igenena has recognized Macedonians through science , believe it .
coolboysr 8 months ago
Can any of you Greeks explain to me just one think. If you such a educated rise and know history, way after 1926 Greeks have change 4000 names on cities, towns, villages, mountains, rives, regions even the names on tombstones in cemeteries and so on if Greece had nothing to hide?? Do you Greeks studding your on writing history and if you do in what year Greece take control of Aegean Macedonia. Surely you all know that the year was 1913
Patriotism1000 10 months ago 3
@Patriotism1000 i feel so bad for you , fail guy from the propaganda, i want to ask you something and if you have the education level answer me , Why ancient macedonian things (Status weapons and more) have Greek words on em and Ancient macedonian names are Greek names ?i'm sure that u will answer BUT GREECE WAS SOMETHING LIKE USA THAT DAYS..and what? AT WEAPONS Always the proud ppl use their language ... please go die 3rd world rat...
Myrmidonas100 8 months ago
pffff lol pile of crap
TSAR373 10 months ago
You have nothing and you never had anyting to give to civilization! In all of your history you were goat lovers and Slavs. Your language has nothing to do with TRUE macedonian language. Even the name ALEXANDER (ALEXANDROS) has greek origin. Stop stealing Greek culture and history. You have always been the bitches of the Americans and you continue to be........ Look to your own problems (alcoholism, prostitution, crimes etc) and stop harashing the true history! You should have been ashamed!!!!!
Ale3androsXXX 10 months ago
Unfortunately for the extremists from the Region of Vardarska, there's no human being that has studied just a bit of History that will ever think that your new born State has anything to do with Ancient Greek Macedonia.
The most funny part is that you cannot even read the name of Alexandros or Filippos which on all ancient marbles are written in Greek since they actually mean something: the one chosen by men & the friend of horses.
I'm sorry for you...
spacegv 1 year ago
@spacegv We Macedonians know: that the ancient Macedonian kings the Argeaden their
origin from sparta have, but that was popular in Macedonia and is majority
Macedonian
Kumanovo11 8 months ago
Hahahahahah funny shit!Did the Soros company do that again?You know that the "scientists" that did that "research" are now in jail for spreading false information?Fuckers
BestRemixesOnlyVol2 1 year ago
Albo - iLLYRIAN till the death!
TheValmirZz 1 year ago
Igenea retracted it's report about the hapologroups in FYROM about 1 year ago - due to lack of proper scientifical material. I am sorry guys. Apparently Igenea admits it made a big mistake.
Also, Igenea refuses to take DNA samples from the bones of Olympia and Philip II and to compare those DNA samples.
Igenea clearly stated that not enough people from FYRO were tested. Apparently, this was just a diversion to make neighbor hate neighbor.
Peace and unity - that will bring you strength.
shockolanu 1 year ago
Hahahh you can all suck some Macedonian dick.
Macedonia is and it will always be Macedonia and belongs to Macedonians only.
greks are wiped out by Persians ,same as Spartans , they don't exist any more.
greece today is full of Arabs , Macedonians Turks ,Vlah , Gypsies , and of cource Afrikaans ------Have a nice day.
PaunBTMakedonski 1 year ago
if you are real macedonians...why are you speak language very similar to bulgarians? everybody knows that ancient macedonians used old greek! that is a fact....and science and politics DO mix up when usa support is on the wrong side!
CCCCXD 1 year ago
@CCCCXD If your mother is Chinese and your father is American but, your mother migrates to San Francisco to be with your father. You are brought up in an American culture, you are baptised Roman Catholic, you do not read or write Chinese, do you cease to be Chinese. This is the answer to your question, you do not cease to be Chinese because youe DNA and features are the relevant marker. Why do you pose the same question with respect to Macedonia, when you clearly know the answer!
constanceone 1 year ago
All I want to tell to people from FYROM is:
You should remember that before Turks came, you were part of the Byzantine Empire, treated as equals.
The Greek flag is big enough for the entire planet, you should unite with Greece and be part of the region called Macedonia.
This way nobody will steal or take anything from nobody and everyone will have the right to self determination/identification.
If you desire UNITY, you will unite with Greece.
If you want the lands, it's a different story.
shockolanu 1 year ago
@shockolanu The same region that was renamed Macedonia in 1989, prior to this time the region was only referred to as Nth. Greece. The Greeks practised genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Macedonian; what is the reality of a comment that they need now unite with Greece! These web commentaries are not written with consideration of historic reality.
constanceone 1 year ago
@constanceone
Greeks can come, fuck me in the ass, cut my arms and legs and leave me to live like that.
That will not make me love lies or hate Hellenism.
Historic reality?
1. Ancient Macedonians were Hellenic.
2. Medieval Macedonians were Byzantians = Hellenic.
3. People of Paeonia that were Slavonised by Bulgarians and Sklaviniae were Byzantians too.
4. Greece freed Macedonia (North Greece) from Ottomans.
5. Greece fought against Bulgaria who wanted to take your lands.
6. War is not genocide.
shockolanu 1 year ago
@constanceone
My roots are in Veria and Vergina. So, my dear Macedonian, if you feel like a Macedonian, please unite with Greece.
If you feel hungry for: a name, a history and lands, I sugest you claim them from Bulgaria, as you claimed the "Ethnic Macedonian" emblem - Bulgarian Lion.
BTW, Igenea retracted it's report, "due to insuficient scientific material". If you want to find out who the Makedones are, go to Vergina, take the DNA of Philip and compare it with whomever you want to compare it
shockolanu 1 year ago
@constanceone
You went into what Italians call "Siletnio Stampa"
shockolanu 1 year ago
IGENEA confouds Thracian with Ancient Macedonian.
"In science there is no place for propaganda". But there is a lot of room for interpretations.
shockolanu 1 year ago
BORN A SLAVOBULGAR ALWAYS A SLAVOBULGAR.
C'est la vie majmuns.
CarlitoArgentina 1 year ago
@CarlitoArgentina What exactly does this have to do with us Macedonians? Do you know that the word Bulgari means turkic race? In Macedonia we have never had monkeys. What don't you understand about igenea study, the ancient macedonians assimilated with the slavs, the slavic language dominated and continued. Macedonian ancestry continues within the current people of Macedonia. Why shouldn't Macedonia undertake archaelogical search within its own territories, hypothesis with respect to findings.
constanceone 1 year ago
mameto da vbi go ebem fuck all you slavic bastard im macedonian antic macedonian im not slavic da ziveee makedonija
MACED0NN 1 year ago
The DNA of Ancient Macedonia is Greek not slavic.Read History. The slavs are invaders of macedonia long after Alexander the Great
5hitter 1 year ago
Igenia ??? I had my dog ( 1/2 chiwawa 1/2 Dockson ) tested
it came back he is 1/2 German Shepard 1/2 great Dane .
but he only ways 11 LBs.
what a bunch of crap !
Istorylies 1 year ago
fyrom=carnaval nation......parasitic nation!!!!
slavs is historic people....but the slavs of fyrom.....is the shame of slavs!!!!!!!!!
makedonjia 1 year ago
KIRO GLIGOROF says:we are slavs we are not makedonian..........we like steal....we like steal olso chicken......
makedonjia 1 year ago
Die greek,halfelenik,gipsi. Long live Makedonija
solunenas 1 year ago
@solunenas hhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
bumbaribend1 1 year ago
we are descents of alexander the great fuck you greece
MACED0NN 1 year ago
@MACED0NN You`r a peder gypsy Fyrom
FYROM FYROM FYROM is your real name.
Learn that slavobulgarski
Fuck FYROM Republic Titoclonic
sandra27gr 1 year ago
@sandra27gr Why don't you go fuck yourself! We are never peder, gypsy or slavobulgar! You are a fucken gypsy cunt! Why don't you go back to the Greek Isles and serve cold ouzo & orange juice to homosexual nudist male tourists, that is the full extent of your intelligence!
constanceone 1 year ago
@constanceone
Uau, seeing a dude from your country slaming a Greek over intelligence is ackward.
Why are you upset about being called Slavo-Bulgar? Are you ashamed of your influences? Then you should be ashamed of the Serb and Albanian influences too. Since you deny your Slavonism and most probably your relation with Albania... there is nothing left of you except to declare yourselves Greek, Macedonians, lover of Hellenism.
After that, maybe you will help serve cold ouzo and orange juice to gay
shockolanu 1 year ago
@MACED0NN >> Krste Misirkov, 1903, "our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians"
Krste Misirkov - expressed the ethnicity of the Slavs living in "Macedonia" including his own ethnicity, calling them pure Bulgarians.
FYROM language - West Bulgarian Skopian
FYROM PRESIDENT KIRO GLIGOROV: "WE ARE SLAVS - THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT .. WE CAME HERE IN THE 6TH CENTURY AFTER CHRIST"
SMYRNAfreedom 1 year ago
@SMYRNAfreedom Funny you should mentioned the quote from a Macedonian President-Kiro Gligorov. He also said that Modern day greeks cannot claim descent from Alexander the great.
pasha6a 1 year ago
united
MARKOforever100 1 year ago
This report was REMOVED since it is NOT science
loooool
historicaltruth12 2 years ago
dzabe tolku pari frlaat nasite dusmani za PROPAGANDA,vistinata e na nasa strana,Makedonija na Makedoncite
solunenas 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Igenea has removed this report from their site since it could not be scientific proven
So you can delete this video now.
Start to find your true Bulgarian roots instead
historicaltruth11 2 years ago
uniteeed macedonia
MARKOforever100 2 years ago
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MARKOforever100 2 years ago
Bullshits!
Never iGenea did compare current populations to ancient DNA from known macedonians! iGenea is currently unable to differenciate an ancient macedonian DNA from other hellens like athenians,... No macedonian profile does exist at iGenea but only Hellen, Illyrian, Phenician, Baltic, Slavic,...
If all archeological founds till today are not enough for people trying to create an identity then nothing else to do for them. than playing with Rosetta stone...
Be proud of your slavic origin!
iskender911 2 years ago
iskender, we are proud to be slavs, macedonians, hellenes, illyrians (among others). you are the ones who deny slavic roots. NOT US. remember that :)
levapatika 2 years ago
levapatika - dont forget your real ancestors the bulgarians.
All your heros spoke bulgarian and where Bulgarians
Saint Naum , Saint klement , Kuber , Tsar Samuil , golcev , milidanov brothers and many more where all pure BULGARIANS
historicaltruth11 2 years ago
iGENEA DNA also said that from the people sampled purely from NORTHERN GREECE (ANCIENT MACEDON) had 62% correlation, so enjoy those facts. Obviously out of Greece and its entirity not many are going to be ancient maco, because theyre not, only northerners are...
Im sorry that you cant accept your slavic background.
PS: Alexander was born in Edhessa, look up where that is :)
killa4life3333 2 years ago
Yes but from were did they take the first sample, to compare them ?
And what Slavic background? You were not in Balcans during the ancient times
HaxaaN 2 years ago
borders created less than 100 years ago have no relevance on history 2000 years ago ;)
MKwarrior 2 years ago
You still fight over that? Facts are facts, get over it.
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
Yes I agree... facts are facts
check this one on youtube -->watch?v=fwC-VVCjV0Q
HaxaaN 2 years ago
especially 2':52" - 3':06"
"...... when they were asked 'how did you define the Macedonian DNA?" they answered we named Macedonian DNA the DNA found in the majority of "Macedonians" (Skopje)
So in reality they did not any samples from Philippos or any other Macedonian grave, but first found a majority DNA from Skopje people which was Slavic and the named it Macedonian. So once again miss-quoting the real meaning of 'Macedonian" gives again the wrong definition..."
HaxaaN 2 years ago
These "scientists" must have been veeeeryyyyy hungry and needed Soros money desperately XD
HaxaaN 2 years ago
you forgot to put 18% antic macedonians to the north
MkdTigar1 2 years ago
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A big fuss about DNA. What is the relation of fyrom people to the ancient macedonians? They run after genes to prove themselves about what? Their civilization and culture are slavic. Macedonians speak greek for thousand of years (ancient macedonian was doric greek)
mnls0 2 years ago
If I have the gens of an ancient Macedonian, than I am one too. I may call myself however I want, you can't deny anything, even if you are Macedonia, than mine country and your would unite.
demonibs 2 years ago
You can believe what you like but this igenea gens stuff is ridiculous. After all, no serious scientist accepts this. Greek Macedonia is 90% of the historic Macedonia. Fyrom is outside Macedonia. If Tito had defined different borders, could Kossovo be Macedonia today? And who knows maybe Vojvodina too...
mnls0 2 years ago
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LOL
Hey pricks,in case you don´t know:
igenea is just a website run by Inma Pazos not a laboratory.Don't fall for that
Are you stupid enough or what?
Eyrynomos 2 years ago
re the bibliography...
the reliable source that proves you are macedonians lol is a study on turkish and iranian mice, mus macedonicus and mus domesticus.
let me know if you want the link where imma pazzos confirms this
reliable? its as reliable as you are real macedonians. how many countries recognize you as ancients again? oh thats right..NONE, NIL, NADA, ZILCH AND IN REAL MACEDONIAN - ΜΙΔΕΝ
AuthenticMacedonian 2 years ago
Post from iGenea to 17.05.2008
There is a profile that is considered Macedonian. This profile shows large similarities with the GREEKS. There are now also in Macedonia (FYROM) people with Macedonian roots, especially in the mountain areas.
oh look at that you are political slavic creatures and the true macedonians are GREEKS
morons
AuthenticMacedonian 2 years ago
Post of iGeneia to 15.02.2009
One thus cannot analyse a relationship between Macedonians (FYROM) and Bulgarian. Of course there is a common origin between Bulgarian and Macedonian. Macedonians, have like the Bulgarians also a Slavic origin
AuthenticMacedonian 2 years ago
Post from iGenea 26.09.2008
When we talk about Macedonian roots, it defines the primitive tribe of the Macedonian. The actual Macedonian today are a political folk, but not a genetic
AuthenticMacedonian 2 years ago
why call us fyromskys as ethiopians??they think it hurt us??ethiopia has 4000 glory history,we have nothing to do with ethilpia.but ethiopias history is superior to fyrom.your history started with tito,ethiopians are much better then u.
NIKDAGREEK27 2 years ago
The official test of the IGAMISOU DNA LABS shows that youre 100% monkey
POTIS1 2 years ago
i stand in awe in front of science.I m curious how a15% of slavs managed to impose their culture to the rest 85%.it must be the supreme culture of the slavs...
also you are more germanic than slav..i wish hitler could knew this.your grandfathers should have enlisted to the ss.WHAT I THINK OF YOU IS THAT YOU ARE 100% SLAVS+200%ALBANIANS=1000%UNTERMENSCH.AND IF YOU DON T LIKE MY MATH GO FUCK YOUR GOAT YOU FUCKING SLAVIC BASTARDS
ultravioleNt87 2 years ago
Arbanitas = Albanian
AlbaniansIllyrians 2 years ago
what a stuipid video ...it isnt so easy ...would you have been on idenaes homepage and wpuld you have readet you would know...even igenea confirms that many dates are abused bye FYROM propaganda :) go on the webside read bye urselfe
RedDeadRevolva 2 years ago
Illyria
THE BARBARIAN INVASIONS AND THE MIDDLE AGES
"In the late Middle Ages, new waves of invaders swept over the Albanian-populated lands. Thanks to their protective mountains, close-knit tribal society, and sheer pertinacity, however, the Albanian people preserved and developed their distinctive Illyrian identity and language."
Albania: Historical Setting
Library of Congress Country Study
The Ancient Illyrians
AlbaniansIllyrians 2 years ago
Yes Scoder was an Illyrian City and Bosona too.
Bosnians have with 40% the most illyrian genes in Balkans.
bosna501 2 years ago
you have more Illyrian genes than the Illyrians?
hehe
AlbaniansIllyrians 2 years ago
Scoder was the capital and heart of Illyrian identity...not just a city.
Bosona was never an illyrian city and Bosnian is not an Illyrian tribe .
The name Bosona is Albanian word to describe a region with running water...not a city of Illyria.
AlbaniansIllyrians 2 years ago
Bosnians are the really Illyrian and Bosnia is the Heart of Illyria
this says all world DNA and History experts.
bosna501 2 years ago
The capital city and heart of ancient Illyria is scoder which is located in present day Albania (Illyria)
there has never been an Illyrian tribe named as 'Bosnian'
IGENEA and any other independent DNA lab analysis does not state in any way that Bosnian slavs have Illyrian DNA.
your people arrived after 6-7 A.D and had no contact with illyrians whom were either absorbed or eradicated prior to slavic arrival.
AlbaniansIllyrians 2 years ago
BOSNIANS=ILLYRIANS
bosna501 2 years ago
Bosnians is not Illyrian tribe.
Albanians are the direct living descendants of the ancient Illyrians and the last tribal indigenous group in the balkans.
AlbaniansIllyrians 2 years ago
If anyone wants to see genetic tests based on pure science, links to send a personal message! Iliri, Teutons, etc., and Thracians. groups are not genetic, it is ethnicity?
8qica 2 years ago
There is no genetic test that can show this! Genetic tests can show the percentage of population
of HLA, HLA-DRB1, HLA-DQB1 and others. aleli but to connect people die before the years 1000-2000 is not genetics, and politics!)))
8qica 2 years ago
Ако някой иска да види генетични тестове основани на чиста наука, пращам линкове на лично съобщение! Илири, тевтонци, траки и тн. не са генетични групи, това са народи!
8qica 2 years ago
English please.
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
Нямя гeнeтичeн тeст, който да може да покаже това! Генетичните тестове могат да покажат в прослойки от населението честота на HLA, HLA-DRB1, HLA-DQB1 и тн. алели, но да се прави връзка с хора измреми преди 1000-2000 години не е генетика, а политика!)))
8qica 2 years ago
English please.
mmaciekmt 2 years ago 5
уште полошо е кога држави како Грција и Бугарија без никакви испитувања своите народи ги нарекуваат директни потомци на некои антички народи, пример ХЕЛЕНИ(а пак истиве никогаш не постоеле всушност никогаш не се изговорило ни х од хелени како збор-измислен е во1830) или што знам кои, а нај нај ужасно е кога пак истиве споменати земји, соседните народи ги присвојуваат за свои демек генетски се исти.. чија метода на днк анализирање ја користат пак тогаш?
nikolchoo 1 year ago
iGenea is practicing magic. Why do they have a Macedonian 'race'? Why not also have Athenian, Spartan, Theban DNA. Why not go back and deduce DNA composition based on Dorians and Ionians? Do you see how arbitrary these labels become?
Why does their sample for FYROM sum up to 100% using only 7 groups? Are there no other groups influencing this race at all not even 0.1%? Is there utterly no noise or error in their derivation?! How did they derive Slavic DNA? iGenea is quackery, nothing more.
dimalex8 2 years ago 7
So now science is Magic for you. Hm... I am sure you have a deep understanding of DNA testing processes and that`s why you criticize them so much.
Oh dear Lord...
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
its logic, this is so stupid result, plus the fact that Soros admitted in an interview that it was founded by ur goverment.
i dont think that japanese are west afrikans(as the test says if u have red it) nor that armenians are turks(according to them there is no armenian dna!). or that there is separate germanic and viking dna(when all sientist consider it the same).
plus how the hell they found 100 samples of phoenician and hunic dns, when historians couldnt?
dimalex8 2 years ago
IGENEA doesn't say that slavs in Macedonia have ancient Macedonia DNA.
slavs did not assimilate the ancient Macedonians.
your claims are unsubstantiated and based off of political ideology and in some cases old slavic fairy tales.
AlbaniansIllyrians 2 years ago
What comes next?
An interview with Alexander himself perhaps?
With live conection in the battle of Gavgamila?
diavoliaris 2 years ago
...Kourites, Lapathites, Lokroi, Minies, Molossus, Haones, even history is not sure how many of those tribes survived to consist the latter Hellenic tribe and in what analogy
And this so called search comes to tells us about our ancestors DNA? and you still believe it for what? to prove that Macedonians have diffenerent DNA from the Greeks?
come on use your brains they stopped the Historical fight (due to thousands proofs that don't support their "theory") and came back with DNA "proofs"?
diavoliaris 2 years ago
this search is to laugh at.
Thracians... thracians were Hellines
This so called research goes back to Phoenicians and Illyrians (we are not even sure about their exact establisments but we are sure about their DNA) and couldn't manage to find out the diferences between Hellenic tribes
Ancient Hellines were not homogenous they were the combination of different ancient tribes, some of them are Dorians, Achaeus, Aioleis, Ionians(thats how Turks called Greeks "Yunan") Dioi, Thespieis, Thesprotoi...
diavoliaris 2 years ago
Macedonians where a Hellenic tribe just as Czech are Slavic tribe, but it doesn't mean that it must be one country with all the rest and they have no right to exist. Use your brain, not just your fingers.
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
why you erased my posts? and left only that to answer?
this is called manipulation of the truth
posting truthlike "researches" wont confirm lies
diavoliaris 2 years ago
Yes. It is. And do you know why did I do it?
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
You don't like Truth obviously
diavoliaris 2 years ago
Stay in the dark and believe in Santa Claus lol
Read the inscripted stone in the entrance of your government at Skopje:
"μακεδονιαρχων των ναων τη πατριδι
συν παντι τω κοσμω τω θκτ' ετει."
I'm sure you can translate the language of your ancestors ha ha ha
hoplitespao 2 years ago
Grow up and talk like civilized people.
Don offend each other like abused kids, but look at the facts.
And don't give me this Greek rubbish about Hellenic propaganda, but real facts.
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
Are "Macedonians" Slavs?
If YES, then why is Gruevski and your new school books saying you are not Slavs?
If NO, then Why is Tentov saying that the Rosetta Stone is evidence that the ancients macedonians were Slavs?
Propaganda you said?
hoplitespao 2 years ago
There is a lot of Slavic blood in Greeks too. On the other hand you reject Slavic connection. Slavic tribes are very successful, just look at the Europe. Antic Macedonians mixed, they had no choice. But still they are Macedonians. And as long as they have their national identity, there is nothing you can do about it. And don't tell me that you can use your funny army or veto in EU.
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
You didn't answer to my question....
hoplitespao 2 years ago
ha ha.. I though I did
mmaciekmt 2 years ago
So in the most commonly used Plutarchs book by FYROMs propaganda, they havent bothered themselves looking evenin the title and to whom Plutarch is refering to.
Its as irrational and insane as someone quoting a book called Julius Ceasar Roman Biographies to prove that Julius Ceasar is notRoman!!! isn't it???
Title of the book:
« PLUTARCH
THE AGE OF ALEXANDER
Putarch's Lives of the great Greek statesmen and... »
hoplitespao 2 years ago
Switzerland Laboratories also made a lot of LSD! Are you on LSD again fyrom boy?
graphattic 2 years ago 2
Igenea won an award:
For Outstanding Achievement in Misleading the Public about Human Population Genetics.
If you have time to kill, browse around the site, it is priceless as entertainment, and don't forget to stop by this thread where the company not only asserts that Y-chromosomes of ancient Greeks and Macedonians have been tested, pointing to completely irrelevant bibliography, as "evidence", but also lists the percentages of various ancient tribes in modern nations.
Eyrynomos 2 years ago 4
Apparently, Bulgarians are 49% Thracian, while Albanians 18%, whereas Greeks and "Macedonians" 0%. Those Thracians must have evacuated from Greek Thrace and flown over Macedonia to settle in Albania :)
Eyrynomos 2 years ago 3
f you have any understanding of population genetics, no more needs to be said.
But, if you are a newbie researching the field, spend some time to educate yourself, and don't trust companies that offer you the sky. If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't.
YOU AIN"T MACEDONIANS
Eyrynomos 2 years ago 7
@Eyrynomos I am a Macedonian and apparently you are a Slav.
pasha6a 1 year ago
@Eyrynomos fuckin malaka arab scum you greeks black scums mix with ethiopian you gonna tell us who we aare fuck offf malak MACEDONIAN FOREVER
MACED0NN 1 year ago
@MACED0NN Greeks came from north-east Europe 3000B.C. they locaded to the Greek land and made civilaziation,Greeks are white,no mongol looking like the trides from east (Turks),no gypsie looking but Greek,Ethiopians are pure black people,if you come to Greece you wont see any black man that call him self Greek,how fucking retarded can you be for actually believe Greeks are black?pathetic bulgarian wonnabe Macedonias MADE IN U.S.A
Brainiz619Enigma 1 year ago
@Brainiz619Enigma hahaha well said loved the U.S.A. part
Gruhy 1 year ago
@Gruhy The comments are a fraud, do you get it!
constanceone 1 year ago
@Brainiz619Enigma I have never met a white Greek, you must be living in a totally different millineum from the rest of us! You won't see a black man but, you will see people of olive complexion. The population of Macedonia have on average 30% antic macedonian DNA, we are Macedonian you better except the reality or be ostracised as a racist! Which you invariably are!
constanceone 1 year ago
@constanceone
Why do you lie, human?
The IGENEA report has been debunked since it's first appearance. Go to their website and see the frustrated Albano-Bulgarians who keep asking: WHY DID YOU DELETE THE REPORT??? And see their response: Because of insuficient scientific material.
Over and over again: If you feel Macedonian and by nature Hellenic, go unite with Greece. I have seen many from your country who love Hellenism. Ah, but those are oppressed by the fustrated ultra-nationalists like you.
shockolanu 1 year ago 14
@shockolanu why we should ally with greece when greece is not macedonia. Macedonia nor ever was! In fact she was Kingdom. And ps. GREECE DIDNT EXISTED UNTIL 1813
cry me a river
maduav 4 months ago
@maduav
Greece is not Macedonia. Macedonia is Greece, you should go and visit it some day. It is the land of the Hellenic Makedones (the genuine ones).
You never existed until 1991 :P
Cry me an ocean.