How beautiful was Cleopatra? (5/6)

[Mel166]

@mamacitachapina1 in short, they did. Cleopatra had 4 children, 1 by Caesar and 3 by Marc.

[mamacitachapina1]

Something I've always wondered was, how did women from ancient times not get pregnant. There was no contraceptives or condoms back then. It's probably a stupid question, anyone tell me?

[EgyptianWereNotBlack]

WE EGYPTIAN WERE NOT  AFRICANS AND WE ARE STILL DO NOT LOOK LIKE AFRICANS

[Flirri]

Wow, why is this so bad? They don't talk anything about her sisters, their backers, OR her father. 

[player3172]

huh??  ten year old brother ? insest??

[GreekCleopatraVII]

REALLY?? I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING WHAT YOU JUST SAID

[Jgreer23]

Youre all fucking nerds lol

[That6cgirl]

she was a clever girl

[MrJimmyjam24]

She was just a slut like the rest of em lol

[elasad18]

celopatra was beautiful as her mother was egyptian!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ricosuavable]

In my opinion cleopatra must of been hideous. Generation of inbreeding must of looked like those hillbillies in the hills have eyes

[BellaSilvery]

Elizabeth was so beautiful :)

[soeffinjuicy36]

WOW this vid is a damn lie!! why is this person making this shit up? Now all the rest of the vids are questionable!!

[NeCacaluXuxultic]

@soeffinjuicy36 "this vid is a damn lie!" it is usually the stupid that say that. Got any evidence to back it up? The intelligent say "it is inaccurate" or "it is horribly wrong and this is why" instead of saying "lie" because the only people who say that are usually Afrocentric.

[soeffinjuicy36]

@NeCacaluXuxultic This is like saying its True white man actually did "Discover America"!!

[NeCacaluXuxultic]

@soeffinjuicy36, umm not it isn't. Any historian can tell you that he didn't. People were already living in the AMerica's

[TippiP50]

@NeCacaluXuxultic Your statements are rather aggressive. This video is rather amusing in a simplistic sort of way and essentially that is the story in the nutshell. However, I fail to see how soeffinjuicy36's comment is Afrocentric. Please explain. I'm quite curious.

[NeCacaluXuxultic]

@TippiP50, I deal with Afrocentrics all the time and they always attack those that don't agree with their pseudo-reality

[Aloebunny]

Nice!

[mariasegal]

olá! wonderful film.

[MultiKRINKELS]

mas gwapa pa si rizza ana . . .

[akoclaplap]

@MultiKRINKELS Pagsure dha ui!

[MultiKRINKELS]

@akoclaplap ahah uyab nako ssi rizza :)

[akoclaplap]

@MultiKRINKELS huh?! wala ko kaila nimo ug wa ko kaila anang rizza ?.?

[39mims]

Cleo was really ugly but so was Caesar

[VagrantNoName]

Hmm, when i play New Vegas, i'll name my female character Cleo ;)

[beRIGHTperson]

IF you talk about Elizabeth than yes, She wasn't beaty as the real Greek Cleopatra. Cleopatra was the most cat beautiful Greek woman.

[TheAmbiorixXx]

@beRIGHTperson depends on how you look at in roman tradition the beauty of her famous nose was commonly pronounced as an ironic joke

[TippiP50]

@beRIGHTperson Well, Cleopatra was not Greek. Later Europeans assumed she was a Ptolemy and therefore Greek, and scholars have been tip-toeing all over that myth for centuries. Non-Europeans have always know Cleopatra was Egyptian--just as she believed herself to be--and modern scholarly research is proving them to be right.

The truth is that myth never really made any sense to begin with, so it is amazing that anyone actually believed it.

[LaLaLaSmiles]

@beRIGHTperson Cleppatra was Eygption

[kevinastraw]

This is crap!

[HonorahWalshe]

In those days it probably didn't matter if a woman was feminine looking (which is what we now consider sexy) because Roman men, including Caesar, where very often bisexual and took males, young and older, as lovers along with women. Their idea of beauty was quite a bit different from our modern one. So what we now think of Cleopatra's profile on a coin, etc. is not relevant.

[jennymimi1]

@NotreDameGirl77 yh but was that d real painting?

[etrax2000]

no way did julius get cleo knocked up. ceasrian has come to mean "cut from the belly" as no doubt miss patra had some slaves killed looking for a match from the brothels reserved excluselivy for Roman elite to deliver a son to ceaser. several girls who were at the right time of pregnancy were slaughterd and their babies examined to provide this illusion for Juluis

[faithm]

darn typography

[nicktesla45]

I am sure she was a fox But I doubt if she was anywhere nearly as beautifull as Liz Taylor.

[AllysaCosain]

Um... dude. She lived in the late 68 BC. People wouldn't possibly know what she looked like. And most of her portraits and statues never look alike. And the coins, how could people be so dumb? There weren't machines to laser perfect portraits into coins back then.

[TheDoingDoingDoing]

she was like snooki!!! :)

[jadeddreams707]

pt 2:

She probably did end up befriending them genuinely and vice versa. Being that she was the proclaimed incarnation of Hathor/Isis (associated with Aphrodite), her views on love and war were probably far more eastern and relaxed. This was a well-meant friends with benefits situation; probably not emotionally hollow at all.

I wish they'd focus moreso on other details of her reign versus this...

[jadeddreams707]

Truth be told, it's a bit unfair that propaganda and whisper-down-the-alley history has ended up scoping Cleopatra as a "seductress" under the pretension that she only bedded Cesar and Mark Antony for political means.

Although it is true that the welfare of Egypt was probably a high priority for her, it isn't too far of a stretch to say that she wasn't "slutting" herself out there. She was remembered in Egypt as "Intelligent, shrewd, and ambitious," and she probably wasn't so dreadful looking.

[MrFalconford]

I find it hard to believe Cleopatra was anything like women of today. Even the choice of Liz to further the sterotype is'nt really necessary. I'm glad to see her memory living on but am disturbed by the amount of ticket sales and copyright laws that have only resulted in a misunderstanding of one of the human races greatest achievements, Queen Cleopatra.

[Asxhmoula]

The standards of beauty in ancient times were different to today's. Just look at busts of Helen of Troy; she is depicted with a long nose and average features. Whatever Cleopatra looked like physically, she had that X Factor that made her unforgettable, just like Alexander the Great and Jesus. People noticed her because of her incredible presence. I'm sure she had excellent powers of rhetoric and great charm to wrap people around her little finger and make them surrender to her will.

[batfighter8]

did cesars dick go deep inside her

[Gingie4life]

@batfighter8 LMAO im sure caesar was enjoying bangging her but they fell in love nd cleopatra didnt look like the coins lmao thats a witch jk

[PungiFungi]

Cleopatra need not to be beautiful in order to attract the attention of powerful men, the simple fact is that she was Queen of Egypt and have more money than God doesn't hurt! No doubt both Caesar and Mark Anthony saw her as a powerful political ally and uses her just as she used them.

[buddmar]

@PungiFungi I think standards of beauty were very different 2,000 years ago. The famous marble busts and coin portraits show she did indeed have a large nose. On the other hand we see that both Caesar and Antony had intimate romantic relations with her and the fabulous territorial gifts they gave her point to some kind of infatuation. Caesar took a real risk by putting a golden statue of Cleo right inside Rome's Temple of Venus, which remained there for 200 more years. He didn't have to do that.

[Gingie4life]

@buddmar WHERE IS THAT STATUE ND WERE IN GET THAT INFO???

[buddmar]

@Gingie4life The statue no longer exists ... in the early Christian era many pagan "idols" were destroyed. It was made of gold, it was probably melted down. If you want to read more about it, I'll recommend 3 biographies: "Cleopatra" by Michael Grant, "Cleopatra: History, Dreams, and Distortions" by Lucy Hughes-Hallett, and the newest one published in 2010 "Cleopatra: A Biography" by Duane W. Roller. A painting of the statue was actually discovered on a mural in Pompeii.

[paisabombom2133]

@buddmar which boook is more accurate? i mean i wanna read 1 that really tell the events that happened with cleopatra not some bs

[buddmar]

@paisabombom2133 As a student of Cleopatra, I have about 12 books on her; "Cleopatra" by Michael Grant is long, tedious, and not an easy read ... but it is the most thorough and detailed. Dr. Grant is a fellow at Trinity College, Cambridge and a professor at Edinburgh University. Grant's book was first published in 1972, but it was reprinted in 2000, again in 2004. Duane Roller is Professor Emeritus and head of the antiquities department at Ohio State University, his book is easier to read.

[paisabombom2133]

@buddmar did caesar nd mark antony really loved her? nd what happened to their kids

[iscrca]

@buddmar  If you type in .return of the face of Cleopatra photo shop construction they show what she looked like. I think she looked kind of manly. Howeve, as you say by our standards beautiful today is different than 2000 yrs. ago. She must have charm and used her sexuality to get Cesear and Marc Anthony and to a certain degree I think Octavious wanted her too. She had money so that helped and with her sister and brother out of the way it left her with everything. Hope this helps.

[KyuchiBeri]

I think her charms made her beautiful. Like, her intelligence, variety of languages, her passion, and so on. I've heard somebody say that if she were to be taken seriously, she needs to be ugly. Egypt wouldn't listen to a doll. Men wouldn't. But, an ugly duck will force them to listen, or else she'll claw (or just get uglier).

[pixielixie21]

I think Cleopatra would have been very beautiful. Because she was like Egyptian/Greek and of Macedonian descent. I actually don't think there are any realistic drawings or busts of her. These are just like how the romans or greeks portrayed her. And they've made her look ugly. I mean look at Aphrodite's bust. She doesn't exactly look like the goddess of love and beauty, does she? She looks like a "Plain Jane".

[lalagirl211]

is it true that cleopatara killed herself?? by snakes??

[pixielixie21]

@lalagirl211 yes she managed to smuggle Asps into her room and then held one to her breast and let it bite her.

[The4LA2Baker0]

She was actually sewn into a sack, not wrapped in a blanket. This was necessary to conceal her whereabouts. She was charming, intelligent, and loved to party, but was anything but beautiful. This clip is actually very vague.

[KyuchiBeri]

Married her 10 year old brother? Disgusting.

[pixielixie21]

@KyuchiBeri Yes to keep the royal blood line pure. which I actually don't get since some of the girls were taken from harems, other girls were foreign princesses etc i don't get it.

[pretty00kitty]

if she was ugly..then how come she seduce guys with an ugly presence????

[Tokiohotel192]

@pretty00kitty good point and people proberly will never know what she looked like exactly..

[Gulfporter]

@pretty00kitty

Ask Meg Whitman.

[101thehunter]

Well done!

[saalihah]

What women have done for centuries...manipulate men!?? SMH. Write that all by yourself?

[stephaniexguitar]

a woman who attracts A HELL LOT OF GUYS LET ALONE POWERFUL MEN !!!!!!

is sure not ugly btw they didnt even know very well how to do marble arts so trust me u would never know how she looked like unless u see her in afterlife no ONE KNOWS what anyone in the past looked EXACTLY LIKEE! and cleopatra is considered egyptian on the other hand her father is pure greek and her sister too but cleopatra lived in egypt and she considered herself egyptian

[Gingie4life]

@stephaniexguitar that true but some rome marbles did look like the ancient emperor nd warriors but i deff dont think cleo looks like the coins i mean to attract the big caesar u must look beyond beautiful nd intelligent

[MsVioletgirl16]

soo.. cleopatra is not really beautiful..but she was really an ugly woman.??!!

[moonphoenix1]

Much like Elizabeth I of England, men found Cleopatra attractive because of her intelligence and charm.

[cairo4448]

Cleopatra wasn't attractive actually.They reconstructed her face and she had a long,hooked middle eastern nose although she was greek descent and possibly even had african blood. But Neferetiti was quite a beauty they reconstructed her face too and she had nice features and flawless brown skin.

[buddmar]

@cairo4448 She must have had some attractive attributes, because the two most powerful men in the ancient world - Julius Caesar and Mark Antony - fell for her and showered her with gifts and territories when they could have had any woman or other queen in their vast empire. Roman historians like Plutarch and Suetonius say it was her regal poise, brilliant intellect, and beautiful voice that overshadowing her average unremarkable looks, but Cassius Deo states she was in fact a real beauty.

[cairo4448]

@buddmar why does it matter? Do you want to marry her she's dead for godsake what is with you stupid white ppl and looks? Why are you so held up on that subject of her looks? Can't you look past that? Like I said scientists reconstructed her face she had a hooked nose very ugly masculine features as well hardly what ppl would find attractive.Everyone knows if they studied ancient egyptian history that cleopatra was charming & intelligent which is why ceasar and anthony fell for her.

[cairo4448]

Maybe ceasar and anthony saw past her unattractiveness.Her charm and intelligence overshadowed her looks.Men don't fall for women just because of their looks there are many things that attract a man to a woman and good looks is not necessary there is always someone that will be attracted to you.People are attracted to intelligence.And a charming personality is also very attractive if you have that you don't need looks.And we weren't there with them so we don't know exactly what happened.

[Gulfporter]

@buddmar

Compared to other women of the day, the fact that she was bathed, shaved, and didn't smell like a mountain goat probably made her be considered beautiful.

[rewinder2008]

thats what i call a smart bitch

[austendw]

They picked a particularly brutal looking coin. There are others in which she looks somewhat less masculine. Anyway, none are such good coins that we can use them to determine what she looked like accurately.

[buddmar]

@austendw Coin portraits in those days were crude; there are a couple of portrait busts that give us a better idea of what she looked like. Besides standards of "beauty" were different back then.

[austendw]

@buddmar - Yes, exactly. Some coin portraits were better than others of course, but in the end it was the iconography that made the people portrayed at all recognizable, So Cleopatra always has more or less that same "melon" hairdo, and in fact we really only identify the extant busts because of that same hairdo.

[pharine20]

maybe there's something wrong with the coin.. LOL

[abbiethesimfan]

Oh my god her "body" was the cause to love?

[TheRocknRollZebra]

forced to marry her 10 year old brother?? that meeeessed up!

[MarcoRossi101]

incest and yeah it is mest up.

[The4LA2Baker0]

@TheRocknRollZebra They didn't want the royal blood contaminated with any other. Royal siblings getting married was very common in ancient Egypt.

[piggymaxsarahi]

@TheRocknRollZebra the made them marry cause they said that they wanted to keep the royal blood pure

[22poopoo]

@TheRocknRollZebra She married 2 of them!

[IceQueen975]

@TheRocknRollZebra And common back then.

[hagalruno]

cléopatra looked ugli in reality but she had a special charme, she was very intelligent, shroud and ambicious.

she was able to speak a lot of langages. she spoke greek with cesar (because he had a greek nani) Cléopatra wasn't Arab but greek (Ptolémé).

She understand that to go to bed with Cesar was a way to protect her against a war with the romans. Cesar wouldn't attack so easy the woman with whom he slept.

[ohhrichie]

the power of sex

[shazam15]

yeah. on top of that ceazer was not an ugly man. He was one of those hot old guys like alan rickman and patrick stewart.

i'd have done it too. :D

[bidibezer]

@hagalruno she wasn't arab? what now you want to take history from us? jeez...

and just stating my opinion here but she must have had some physical beauty to attract 2 or 3 of the most powerfull men... i doubt that she "looked ugli in reality"

[hagalruno]

@bidibezer

Cleopatra wasn't arab, she belonged to the Ptoleme familly and she was Greek.

she talked in this langage with jules Cesar, who has a greek nani.

Prouve that 's wrong my dear !