"revelation" is not only from God? Then "what spirit" is it from then? Or are you implying a person who "relayed it" fom God? What can any person say or do I cannot? Considering the word in Phil 4:13. If we all walk in the Holy Spirit and hear Gods' voice clearly then are we all prophets apostles then/ Or we then walk inthe capacity "like" one yet we do not need the "label" because I have spoken and done anything anyone in modern day that those who call themselve prophet apostle yet I am NOT 1
The bad translating of the KJV. Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and (sent) them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. The word (SENT) in the Greek:apostellō: to order (one) to go to a place appointed send away, dismiss to allow one to depart, that he may be in a state of liberty to order one to depart, send off to drive away. Some were (Special messengers) as Peter etc. and others were like us just sent people
if anyone adds to My Word.. added to him will be the plauges!!!! anyone who subracts from my Word... his name will be subracted from the Lamb's Book of Life!!!! bewhare of what your teaching!!!!!! theres only 12!!!!!!
@jarcar202 By your interpretation, if someone said there were only 5 apostles, would he be 'taking away' from the word? The Bible clearly shows more than 12 apostles, referring to both Paul and Barnabas as apostles in addition to the 12. In I Corinthians 15, Paul shows us that Christ appeared to him AFTER appearing to the 12-- indicating that he acknowledged Matthias as the 12th apostle. Listen and read the verses I refer to before you condemn or state an opinion.
THE DIVINE TEST OF A TRUE APOSTLE OF YESHUA (JESUS) THE MESSIAH
Peter established a test for apostles:
"PETER said...therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us ALL THE TIME that the Messiah Yahshua went in and out among us--BEGINNING WITH THE BAPTISM OF JOHN until THE DAY HE WAS TAKEN UP FROM US --one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
(Acts 1:21,22) In other words, in order to be an apostle you would have had to have been a disciple first!
These were requirements for being one of the 12. Paul did not meet the requirements to be one of the 12, and I Corinthians 15 indicates that he was not one of the 12. In addition to the 12, Paul and Barnabas were apostles.
to "kubikmaster", simply said Jesus did not come to establish a religion of any sort at all ( rituals , priests,traditions,works to be done by mankind to make us accepted by God )..no.Jesus came as THE WAY.So you can chose christianity .BUT do yourself a favour and choose Jesus and follow His Way.Jesus does not need you to rectify anything of Him because His life and death pleased God enough to ressurect Him ...HALLELUJAH
first if apsotels exist today then there better start healing , giving up revelation because I have yet read about it . prophesies shall cease is true for they already fortold the end of time . Prophesing also is teaching but when I preach or prophesy I still tell scripture so I am just reaffirming by showing scripture. so no apostles do not exist today .if there is still apostels then that tells me God forgot to tell me some things ! ?
Healings do occur. Ongoing revelation is Biblical. Read Ephesians 1. You seem to hold to two conflicting views about the definition of prophecy. If you study the Bible carefully, you can see that not all prophecy was recorded in scripture. That is clear just from the OT, also the NT. If you believe there are no apostles, you should be praying for the Lord to send some. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest to send forth laborers into His harvest.
healings do occur , by what means ? ongoing rev. is not Biblical . eph.1 paraphrase : he did not mean today . in short the ephesians would grow as they were taught and as they studied with resources they had at that time which we have now. prophecying: sorry for I did sound conflicting , your right , I apologize .Paul wrote as Christ reveled it to him we prophesy as we go from the Bible hope that helped . please go comment #2
Ongoing revelation is Biblical. The rest of the message is a bit disjointed, so I can't respond. I realize there is a space limitation, but its hard to follow the train of thought.
@chazzy288 We need not only the Bible, but we also need the things the Bible says we need. Would you say we don't need love because we have the Bible? Would you say we don't need the Holy Spirit because we have the Bible? No, according to the Bible, we need love and the Spirit. Having the Bible does not do away with our need to have what the Bible teaches we need. My case in this video is clearly explained from the Bible. Feel free to look up the references.
@SaudaraLink So you're saying, obviously, that there are apostles today; correct? So other than the complete Word of God, what else are you saying that we are missing and need? The scriptures are quite clear on the office and the qualifications of an Apostle or Prophet; according to scripture you and others in today's church making this claim simply do not qualify. Those that are calling themselves apostles are commiting the act of heresy and have failed miserably at searching the scriptures.
@chazzy288 What passage are you referring to for qualifications for an apostle? Acts 1-- qualifications for the 12-- to replace Judas, perhaps? (that Paul did not fit.) Christ gave the gift of apostles, plural AFTER the ascension. Various people are described as apostle in scripture, Barnabas, Saul, Timothy, Silas, Apollos. Apostles planted church and established them in the teaching of Christ. If there is no gift of apostleship, what Biblical basis is there for missionaries having authority?
@SaudaraLink The basis is the word of God. Paul's admits that he was the least of the apostles. But my question is how did you miss the fact that Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus. He saw the risen saviour and witnessed the ascension of The Lord. Also Paul possessed all of the signs and wonders that the initial 12 Apostles possessed. After Judas betrayed Jesus, scripture records that they prayed for God to show them who shall take the place of Judas and the lots fell on Mathias.
@SaudaraLink you also have to remember that the Apostles had to be with Jesus and had to witnness his ascension. The Prophets and the Apostles are the foundation and Jesus is the Chief Corner Stone of the church. The church was established already and has no need to be re-established. When you write a new book that can be added to the bible and when you possess all of the sign and wonders that authenticated the true apostles please let me know. Gods word is quite clear on this matter.
@chazzy288 Read carefully. Paul did not fulfill the requirement of having been with Christ from the time of John the Baptist. But he didn't have to fulfill the requirement because he wasn't one of the Twelve. The requirement was to take Judas place. Paul indicates that he was not one of the Twelve in I Cor. 15 when he says that Christ appeared to the Twelve after His resurrection before appearing to Paul.
This is awesome, I believe God too. This is the very reason why many proffessing people will not inherit the kingdom of God. They may have a form of Godliness but deny the power therof(2Tim3:5). No wonder we don't see revival on a large scale. Those that say they are following Jesus don't even believe the book he left us, or have time to read it. Please don't take this the wrong way people, I'm only asking that the church depart from iniquity(2Tim2:19), and the unbelief.Matt17:20-21 Peace,Thomas
12 of the apostles are the apostles of the lamb mentioned in Revelation. Those who try to replace Matthias with Paul often overlook that Barnabas is an apostle (Acts 14:4, 14). That puts the number over 12. There are 19 or 21 apostles or so referred to in scripture.
wolf...666..i know what u mean....but thats as good as its gonna get. very few will see that works The Spirt will do in these last days. most will not enter by The Way but will take the easy road. all the gifts are in The Church. Shama Jashuah!
Harpozo, Thnx.The trick is to edit it make them low res. Easy for me since that's all my webcam does. You can use Windows Movie Maker in Windows XP to save a video using a lower Megabyte font. I think YouTube takes no more than just over 10 minutes and no more than 100 MB. You probably have higher resolution videos that take more than 100 MB at 5 minutes. GBU
This is an illustration for teaching. Someone breaks fellowship with someone because that other person will not state that the prophecies of Biblical prophets not recorded in scriptuer were not inspired by verbal plenary inspiration. That's a new one. It would almost be funny if it were not so sad.
Progamble. I've backed up what I've said with scripture. You keep accusing me of things I do not say. False doctrine diverges from scritpure. Whether it diverges from Protestant theology (or your interpretation of it) is irrelevent. You need to believe the Bible. You throw theological terms around, but disregard scripture.
Show me scripture that says that someone who believes 1st century prophets whose writings were not recorded in scripture were inspired in the verbal plenary way is a heretic. Show me where any accusations you have made are backed up by scripture. You talk about sola scriptura, but you don't abide by it.
I am sorry but I cannot converse with u anymore. Why? Bcos its clear that u do not hold to the doctrines of Protestant Christianity. In accordance with 1 Tim 6:3 and Titus 3:9 I have nothing more to say to u. U have a heretical view of verbal plenary inspiration. Good bye.
A heretic is a divisive person, if you look at the Greek meaning of the word from which we get the term. Have you ever split a church or caused division where you were?
Never said these extra-scriptural prophecies the Bible mentions were verbal plenary, but would you say they weren't? Was the thunder clap that said something that John her not verbal plenarily inspired? I would not dare say such a thing. It was in the middle of his visionary experience in revelation.
I believe what the Bible teaches about gifts and revelation and back it up with scripture, and you accuse me of being a heretic? Ad homenem attacks won't convince me I'm a heretic. If you can't back up what you believe with scripture, why do you believe it?
Only heretics believe in verbal plenary inspiration outside of the Scriptures. READ CHURCH HISTORY ITS LITTERED WITH HERETICS AND HERESIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at that list. There is plenty of proof from scripture of extra-scriptural revelation. Not all revelation is canon for all mankind. Do you believe God can call someone to ministry?
I dont think u understand the difference between Special Revelation, General Revelation, illumination, calling, etc... IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF U PICKED UP A BOOK ON SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY AND DID SOME STUDY ON THE DOCTRINE OF THE BIBLE b4 u made comments!
You need to pick up the Bible and read it. I keep proving what I say with scripture. You keep makng accusing, making guilt by association arguments, and insisting on using theological terms when you can't back them up with scripture.
Some people that you are speaking too aren't even saved so they won't understand the Bible or the meaning of anything else as far as that goes. We depend on the Spirit to show us and teach us as well. If they talk about you just think they did it first to the Lord Jesus Christ. Look up and keep on going don't even think about other people what they say and what they do. You'll run into alot of people just like that from all over the world. Keep up the good work.
Jonah is already a prophet before he is introduced to us in Scripture, but what did he prophecy. We just have that one prophecy. Paul wrote of a man caught up into the 3rd heaven, who heard things not lawful to be uttered--revelation he could not share.
No. I believe God provides for us. I do not believe we should love money and seek after earthly riches in this life. As for speaking positive words, there is some truth to such things. For example, implicit in the Bible is the idea that curses and blessings can have power, (e.g. Saul cursing those who ate before the battle ended.)
The health and wealth gospel is lie from the pit of hell! Furthermore changing our reality by spoken words is eastern mysticism which the New Age movement has embraced. God is Sovereign, He cotrols our reality. Satan is not Sovereign. Read the book of Job.
Then I spent some time in 'Third Wave' circles, groups that came out of evangelical movements that believed in gifts, and saw countless expressions of these things. Maybe Pentecostalism has stagnated a bit in some ways. I read some Azusa Street history, and apparently, there were numerous healings going on back then when the movement started.
I agree that scriptures teach us diff. btwn truth and error, but let's not say things about scripture that the scriptures do not, e.g. that it is God's only means of revelation. I can show you scripture that refers to revelation not written in scritpure. e.g. book of Iddo the seer, the sealed up thunder clap, some of Jesus acts.
I WOULD STRONGLY URGE U TO STUDY THE DOCTRINE OF THE BIBLE!!!! This last comment is 100% HERESY. I dont mean to be rude or disrespectful but if u believe that special revelation (not general) exists outside of the Bible in other books, then u are a heretic and u need to repent!!!!
There is plenty of extra scriptural revelation mentioned in scripture. e.g. THe prophets who met Saul prohesied, but we do not know the content of their prophecies. Same with Saul's prophecies. Book of Iddo the seer-mention in scripture, but not quoted. The Bible refers to previous prophecies of Micaiah to king Ahab, but only one is recorded.
John heard what one of the thunder claps said, was going to write it down in the book of Revelation, but was told to seal it up. Jesus is the Word of God, the ultimate revelation of God to man. Everything He did on earth revealed God, yet scripture says that if all his acts were written down, John supposed the world could not contain the books.
If you are asking me, I believe the faith was handed down from the beginning (i.e., the church has long had true doctrine.) But God can reveal a truth to someone he has already entrusted to the church. It is a revelation to that individual if it comes by the Spirit of revelation. (Using 'revelation' in a BIBLICAL sense here.) Also, God does reveal things to individuals.
When a person comes to a deeper understanding of biblical truth, theologians refer to this as "illumination" and not "revelation." Plz do a Biblical study on this topic and u might be suprised to find out that what I am saying is correct.
In other words, you don't know of any scripture that teaches this. Some Pentecostal Bible school proffs use the same terminology you are using. The issue is theological terminology vs. Biblical terminology. I prefer to use Biblical terminology, in which 'revelation' is a broader term than the way you are using it.
If Professors in your denomination agree with me, doesnt that confirm that what I am saying might be true? You dont claim to be right and ever one else wrong do u? Your not proud?
My denomination? your words, not mine. There is theological terminology that is not scripture terminology. I prefer to stick with scritpural terminology if possible, especially when teaching scripture. The Bible calls a wide variety of things 'revelation.' If the Bible is authoratative, should I go with it's terminology or some theologians?
John Marcus nearly all Penetcostals/Charismatics have a low view of the Scriptures. No matter high hard u try and make the Scriptures your final authority u cant. Why? Because at the foundation of your theology is a "Scripture +" principle. Whereas my theology is "Scripture alone." This is why u dont ascribe to the Bible the honour, power, and glory it truly deserves.
Prog, You seem to have a low view of scripture because you don't believe it. The Bible does not teach that it is the only way God speaks to people. The Bible teaches these gifts of the Spirit my video talks about. Do you want to believe the Bible, or try to 'exalt' the Bible by believing a doctrine that contradicts the Bible?
Jesus said all authority is given to Him in heaven and in earth. He said he'd send the Spirit to lead us into all truth. I'm not comfortable with people saying, 'the Bible is the final authority' because the Bible does not use this terminology and emphasizes the authority of Christ and the Spirit's role in leading into all truth.
This passage says that scripture is given, among other reasons, that the man of God might be fully equipped. It does not say that the Bible is the only piece of equipment, or that we do not need the things that the Bible says we need now because we have the Bible. It does not call the Bible the 'only authority.'
Your statement was about "authority" not training in righteousness. I gave u a Scripture that asserts the authority of Scripture. Scripture attests itself as the final authority. If it isnt the final authority then what is? U can believe just about anything and be decieved by anyone if u dont hold to the Bible as being the final authority.
I did not say that scripture is not authoratative. I do not agree with saying scripture is the final authority, because the scriptures do not teach that. Teaching doctrine not found in scripture goes against 'sola scriptura.' Stop violating sola scriptura to promote your views about scripture, and believe the scriptures.
How can we judge truth from error? Through Jesus? Of course not. Jesus isnt going to come down from heaven and tell us what is true and what is untrue. Jesus said "..your word is truth...." (John 17:7). The Word of God is what we test all things related to Spiritual matters. Plz stop prophesying and start readin your Bible more!
The verse says"17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV.) Not final authority. Plus it does not say that it is the only equipment, but that the man of GOd might be fully equipped. A soldier gets a gun to be fully equipped, but he also needs bullets, helmet, clothes, etc.
Btw, you used a verse about training in righteousness about authority. I am saying Jesus said "All authority is given unto Me, in heaven and in earth...." Doesn't it follow that Christ is the 'final authority.' Why make doctrinal statements that say that 'scripture is the final authority' if the scriptures themselves teach that it is Christ who has all authority. Let's stick with what the Bible says, not make up doctrinal statements we can't back up with scriture.
Just about every theologian both Charismatic and non-Christmatic, agree that the Bible is the final authority. You are going against countless numbers of godly mean through out the ages, and more importantly Scripture itself. Without being disrespectful and rude, I must say that going by some of your comments I am not convinced that u hold to the doctrines of Protestant Christianity.
My question. I tell you of a miracle, and you say if there were miracles, there would be lots of them. So if only one person gets healed miraculously that you know about, that means there are no miracles? Does that make sense?
No! What I mean is that 99% of the claims that charismatics make are baseless. I hear so many sensational claims, but when these claims are thoroughly investigated they are nearly always proven to be false. I agree, my argument doesnt prove that God isnt doing miracles, but what it does prove is that Charismatics are plainly dishonest or horribly deceived when they make many wild, sensational claims.
Okay, well I could agree with that. That some people are sensational about it. I think one issue is that people want to talk positive as an expression of faith, so they talk about the day everyone in a healing crusade gets healed, etc.
Some people complain about only hearing about the extraordinary miracles on distant mission fields. But doesn't it make sense we would hear more of these things in places where the Gospel is being first introduced?
I grew up in Pentecostal and Full Gospel circles (moved a lot.) I can think of one or two healings and maybe two or three prophecies, interpretations, or words of knowledge that seemed to me to be clearly supernatural (e.g. made manifest the secrets of my heart.)
Based on a previous comment u seem to concede that many of the claims made by Charismatics in our part of the world could be sensational and highly exaggerated. If they are highly exaggerated then isnt it logical and sensible to question the supposed miracles happening else where?
You continue to make statement about me and others that are not true. I never said I am at present part of a Pentecostal denomination. You should not make judgments without knowing a person. I am presently part of a network of churches and ministries and we believe the word of God (bible) is our foundation of truth.
Many unbelievers have read the Bible but dont believe it or reject it, that means according to your definition of the "words of the Bible" Christianity is a dead religion to these people, because they have not come "to know the God behind the Bible." WHAT ABSOLUTE NONSENSE! The Word of God is the Word of God whether people accept it, reject it, or obey it. Man does not determine the power and efficacy of the Bible. Plz think that through. Your comments border on heresy and blasphemy.
You are making judgments that are wrong. Many read the bible but still don't know "the Word - Jesus" behind the bible. They may even go to a church and do religious activity, but still not know God (Father and Jesus) personally. Yes the word will stand forever regardless of people believing it or not.
John Marcus and the producer of this video plz note: I came out of the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement. During my time in the movement I saw many so called "manifestations" of the Spirit, but I never saw one true miracle. Tell me, have u ever seen the blind see? Have u ever seen the death hear? Lets be honest have u?. Plz dont avoid this question!
The first healing I witnessed that I remember was a girl a year ahead of me in school who had severely crossed eyes, very badly, and cokebottle glasses. She went up for prayer at church and the evangelist laid hands on her. The next day, the kids were talking about it. I talked to her and she told me how she went up and got healed.
Is this healing documented? Did any doctors examine her and confirm a reversal in her condition? I have done extensive research on this issue and I can tell u that 99% of supposed healings cannot be medically confirmed. I always hear second hand stories that cannot be confirmed either way.
This is the same response I always get. Charismatics love to make wild sensational claims but they hardly ever allow such claims to be investigated. If the girl u claim is healed why not get it medically examined? Why not tell the world about it? What have u got to hide? Plz give me the doctors name and number and I will investigate it myself.
I was 13 and did not think of such things. There are plenty of testimonies. You can see healings on Youtube. Do the research. I'm busy with my life right now, and don't have time to document every healing that takes place. Why don't you do it if you are interested?
You proved my point! U were 13 when u saw this "miraculous" healing take place. It happeneed many years ago, in a far away place. Have u seen any others since then? Surely if u guys of the gift of healing like u claim there should be hundreds if not thousands of cases that can be medically verified. Dont u think that is a reasonable assertion? Can u give me at least one?
How was it confirmed that the people in the Bible who experienced healing were in fact healed? They just said so? WHAT NONSENSE! Whats wrong with getting it medically examined? If your so confident that a genuine healing took place why not tell the world about it?
I'm not against medical confirmation, but there are no doctors' reports of healings in Jesus' day. That does not make them false. They were confirmed by witnesses. Doctors now have categories like 'spontaneous remission' or 'I misdiagnosed it the first time.'
"...No doctors reports of healings in Jesus' day..." WHO WROTE THE BOOK OF ACTS? Luke! LUKE WAS A MEDICAL DOCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Luke documented most of the miracles for us. Its obvious u dont really know the Scriptures at all.
Touche. Luke was a 'doctor' according to ancient standards, before medicine developed like it has now. But he did not collect x-rays and make a modern medical report or use independent variables like a scientist. He shared the story verified by reliable witnesses.
If anyone was qualified to state that a person was genuinely healed it would have been Luke. Who else in those times would have been able give an accurate assesment of a persons condition? May be a farmer? What about a tax collector? No! Surely common sense suggests that the best person would be a doctor!!!!!!!!
I agree that scripture is important and that it is for teaching, etc. What I am saying is that the fact that the Bible equips us does not make the parts of the Bible that says that God gives gifts false. II Timothy does not make I Corinthians 12 false, which seems to be the way you take II Timothy. Plus, revelation clearly continued after II Tim. 3 was written (e.g. II Tim 4, Revelation of St. John, etc.)
It is also worth noting that a lot of the times in scripture where mass healings and miracles were occuring, the Gospel was being first proclaimed among a certain people group. Hebrews 2 notes that when the Gospel was first preached among the readers, it was preached with signs, wonders and miracles.
Pro, Luke probably wasn't around for a lot of the healings in Luke and Acts. He apparently joined Paul fairly late in Acts based on usage of things like 'we sailed.' I added a video response. Watch that and hopefully it will answer a lot of your objections.
Illumination is aquiring understanding and insight into the truth, revelation is the unveiling of truth. They are two completley different words.God no longer unveils new "spiritual truth" which the Church or a local church must obey, do u agree?
These are man-made theological definitions you are using, not scriptural usage. Paul prayed that the Ephesians would have the Spirit of revelation. Peter knew that Jesus is the Christ because the Father REVEALED this to Him. The Son REVEALS the Father to people. Reveal is not a dirty word.
Do u believe in the Trinity? If yes, that is a man made definition that u cannot find in the Bible yet all true Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. In the same way, the definitions I suggested are not labeled as such in the Bible, yet the Bible teaches them.
Can you show where the Bible teaches such things? I see where the Bible teaches there are spiritual gifts. The gifts that the Bible teaches us are real are not the enemy of the Bible.
The Bible teaches that the Spirit gives gifts like prophecy, words of knowledge, etc. The Bible says 'despise not prophesyings' and 'covet to prophesy.' So let's obey the Bible.
We must be careful not to make our doctrine or the bible itself our idol. We need to come to know the wonderful kind and good God and Father, that inspired the word of God. The Holy Spirit opens up the word of God to us, and gives us revelation that we may understand the word of God. We need a good balance between the word (bible) and the spirit, (Holy Spirit).
The Bible is not our idol. It is our guide. Any time you elevate any person, be it a pastor or a prophet, to the same level of authority as the Bible, you will have extrabiblical and unbiblical practices. Pentecostals will say that their prophets are second in authority to the word of God, but in practice it is the charismatic leaders with the latest "revelation from God" who lead the church.
We need more unity in the body of Christ. I have been praying for this for years and have the vision in my heart of the body coming into unity around the Lord Jesus Christ as the son of God. Also around the fact that the word of God is our foundation. The Holy Spirit will help us to understand the revelations of truth that are found in the word of God. The gifts are still for the church today.
I came out of the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement. During my time in the movement I saw many so called "manifestations" of the Spirit, but I never saw one true miracle. Tell me, have u ever seen the blind see? Have u ever seen the death hear? Lets be honest have u?. When u respond plz do so in Enlish and not Japanese.
Oh wow, I lost this video and couldn't find it. Then I got an email notification that someone had replied to a comment. I want to correct something I said. I said the bible is not our idol, it is our guide. That is incorrect. The Bible is not merely our guide. The bible is God. "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Once again u use words and terms very loosley, e.g. "revelation." Furthermore u have a low view of the Scriptures. The underlying theme I am hearing from your comments is that the Bible is just words on paper nothing more. The experience of God is what counts, therefore, the Bible lacks efficacy without man experiencing truth or living out the truth.I counsel u to study the doctrine of the Bible b4 making comments about it.
"revelation" is not only from God? Then "what spirit" is it from then? Or are you implying a person who "relayed it" fom God? What can any person say or do I cannot? Considering the word in Phil 4:13. If we all walk in the Holy Spirit and hear Gods' voice clearly then are we all prophets apostles then/ Or we then walk inthe capacity "like" one yet we do not need the "label" because I have spoken and done anything anyone in modern day that those who call themselve prophet apostle yet I am NOT 1
ashqelonsunset 5 months ago
The bad translating of the KJV. Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and (sent) them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. The word (SENT) in the Greek:apostellō: to order (one) to go to a place appointed send away, dismiss to allow one to depart, that he may be in a state of liberty to order one to depart, send off to drive away. Some were (Special messengers) as Peter etc. and others were like us just sent people
SINGUNTO 1 year ago
if anyone adds to My Word.. added to him will be the plauges!!!! anyone who subracts from my Word... his name will be subracted from the Lamb's Book of Life!!!! bewhare of what your teaching!!!!!! theres only 12!!!!!!
jarcar202 1 year ago
@jarcar202 By your interpretation, if someone said there were only 5 apostles, would he be 'taking away' from the word? The Bible clearly shows more than 12 apostles, referring to both Paul and Barnabas as apostles in addition to the 12. In I Corinthians 15, Paul shows us that Christ appeared to him AFTER appearing to the 12-- indicating that he acknowledged Matthias as the 12th apostle. Listen and read the verses I refer to before you condemn or state an opinion.
SaudaraLink 1 year ago
THE DIVINE TEST OF A TRUE APOSTLE OF YESHUA (JESUS) THE MESSIAH
Peter established a test for apostles:
"PETER said...therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us ALL THE TIME that the Messiah Yahshua went in and out among us--BEGINNING WITH THE BAPTISM OF JOHN until THE DAY HE WAS TAKEN UP FROM US --one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
(Acts 1:21,22) In other words, in order to be an apostle you would have had to have been a disciple first!
odephraimchai 2 years ago
These were requirements for being one of the 12. Paul did not meet the requirements to be one of the 12, and I Corinthians 15 indicates that he was not one of the 12. In addition to the 12, Paul and Barnabas were apostles.
SaudaraLink 2 years ago
Luke 6:13
And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
ana232 3 years ago
to "kubikmaster", simply said Jesus did not come to establish a religion of any sort at all ( rituals , priests,traditions,works to be done by mankind to make us accepted by God )..no.Jesus came as THE WAY.So you can chose christianity .BUT do yourself a favour and choose Jesus and follow His Way.Jesus does not need you to rectify anything of Him because His life and death pleased God enough to ressurect Him ...HALLELUJAH
timetolistentimetoac 3 years ago
first if apsotels exist today then there better start healing , giving up revelation because I have yet read about it . prophesies shall cease is true for they already fortold the end of time . Prophesing also is teaching but when I preach or prophesy I still tell scripture so I am just reaffirming by showing scripture. so no apostles do not exist today .if there is still apostels then that tells me God forgot to tell me some things ! ?
chadmcpeek 3 years ago
Healings do occur. Ongoing revelation is Biblical. Read Ephesians 1. You seem to hold to two conflicting views about the definition of prophecy. If you study the Bible carefully, you can see that not all prophecy was recorded in scripture. That is clear just from the OT, also the NT. If you believe there are no apostles, you should be praying for the Lord to send some. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest to send forth laborers into His harvest.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
healings do occur , by what means ? ongoing rev. is not Biblical . eph.1 paraphrase : he did not mean today . in short the ephesians would grow as they were taught and as they studied with resources they had at that time which we have now. prophecying: sorry for I did sound conflicting , your right , I apologize .Paul wrote as Christ reveled it to him we prophesy as we go from the Bible hope that helped . please go comment #2
chadmcpeek 3 years ago
Ongoing revelation is Biblical. The rest of the message is a bit disjointed, so I can't respond. I realize there is a space limitation, but its hard to follow the train of thought.
SaudaraLink 3 years ago
@SaudaraLink Where are you getting this mess from? Certainly not scripture. We have everything that God wanted us to have in his revealed Word.
chazzy288 8 months ago
@chazzy288 We need not only the Bible, but we also need the things the Bible says we need. Would you say we don't need love because we have the Bible? Would you say we don't need the Holy Spirit because we have the Bible? No, according to the Bible, we need love and the Spirit. Having the Bible does not do away with our need to have what the Bible teaches we need. My case in this video is clearly explained from the Bible. Feel free to look up the references.
SaudaraLink 8 months ago
@SaudaraLink So you're saying, obviously, that there are apostles today; correct? So other than the complete Word of God, what else are you saying that we are missing and need? The scriptures are quite clear on the office and the qualifications of an Apostle or Prophet; according to scripture you and others in today's church making this claim simply do not qualify. Those that are calling themselves apostles are commiting the act of heresy and have failed miserably at searching the scriptures.
chazzy288 8 months ago
@chazzy288 What passage are you referring to for qualifications for an apostle? Acts 1-- qualifications for the 12-- to replace Judas, perhaps? (that Paul did not fit.) Christ gave the gift of apostles, plural AFTER the ascension. Various people are described as apostle in scripture, Barnabas, Saul, Timothy, Silas, Apollos. Apostles planted church and established them in the teaching of Christ. If there is no gift of apostleship, what Biblical basis is there for missionaries having authority?
SaudaraLink 8 months ago
@SaudaraLink The basis is the word of God. Paul's admits that he was the least of the apostles. But my question is how did you miss the fact that Jesus appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus. He saw the risen saviour and witnessed the ascension of The Lord. Also Paul possessed all of the signs and wonders that the initial 12 Apostles possessed. After Judas betrayed Jesus, scripture records that they prayed for God to show them who shall take the place of Judas and the lots fell on Mathias.
chazzy288 8 months ago
@SaudaraLink you also have to remember that the Apostles had to be with Jesus and had to witnness his ascension. The Prophets and the Apostles are the foundation and Jesus is the Chief Corner Stone of the church. The church was established already and has no need to be re-established. When you write a new book that can be added to the bible and when you possess all of the sign and wonders that authenticated the true apostles please let me know. Gods word is quite clear on this matter.
chazzy288 8 months ago
@chazzy288 Read carefully. Paul did not fulfill the requirement of having been with Christ from the time of John the Baptist. But he didn't have to fulfill the requirement because he wasn't one of the Twelve. The requirement was to take Judas place. Paul indicates that he was not one of the Twelve in I Cor. 15 when he says that Christ appeared to the Twelve after His resurrection before appearing to Paul.
SaudaraLink 8 months ago
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chazzy288 8 months ago
Look up Smith Wigglesworth.
kyosheba 3 years ago
yes, we have both of them today. we are one of them.
jurandirbeline 4 years ago
This is awesome, I believe God too. This is the very reason why many proffessing people will not inherit the kingdom of God. They may have a form of Godliness but deny the power therof(2Tim3:5). No wonder we don't see revival on a large scale. Those that say they are following Jesus don't even believe the book he left us, or have time to read it. Please don't take this the wrong way people, I'm only asking that the church depart from iniquity(2Tim2:19), and the unbelief.Matt17:20-21 Peace,Thomas
johnch16v11 4 years ago
Rev 21:14 < 12 Apostles of the Lamb (i.e. not 9,11,13 or some other number) The End of Revelation (Rev 21:14) still says 12 Apostles.
jofo817 4 years ago
12 of the apostles are the apostles of the lamb mentioned in Revelation. Those who try to replace Matthias with Paul often overlook that Barnabas is an apostle (Acts 14:4, 14). That puts the number over 12. There are 19 or 21 apostles or so referred to in scripture.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
yes there are apostles and prophets today. Shama! Jashuah!
MrWolf666 4 years ago
a wolf with 666 in his screen name and you think anyone will take you seriously ?
jofo817 4 years ago
wolf...666..i know what u mean....but thats as good as its gonna get. very few will see that works The Spirt will do in these last days. most will not enter by The Way but will take the easy road. all the gifts are in The Church. Shama Jashuah!
MrWolf666 4 years ago
nice teaching,
I wish I could 9 minutes out of my videos. it seems u-tube won't let me go longer than 5.
harpozo 4 years ago
Harpozo, Thnx.The trick is to edit it make them low res. Easy for me since that's all my webcam does. You can use Windows Movie Maker in Windows XP to save a video using a lower Megabyte font. I think YouTube takes no more than just over 10 minutes and no more than 100 MB. You probably have higher resolution videos that take more than 100 MB at 5 minutes. GBU
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
This is an illustration for teaching. Someone breaks fellowship with someone because that other person will not state that the prophecies of Biblical prophets not recorded in scriptuer were not inspired by verbal plenary inspiration. That's a new one. It would almost be funny if it were not so sad.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Progamble. I've backed up what I've said with scripture. You keep accusing me of things I do not say. False doctrine diverges from scritpure. Whether it diverges from Protestant theology (or your interpretation of it) is irrelevent. You need to believe the Bible. You throw theological terms around, but disregard scripture.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Show me scripture that says that someone who believes 1st century prophets whose writings were not recorded in scripture were inspired in the verbal plenary way is a heretic. Show me where any accusations you have made are backed up by scripture. You talk about sola scriptura, but you don't abide by it.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I am sorry but I cannot converse with u anymore. Why? Bcos its clear that u do not hold to the doctrines of Protestant Christianity. In accordance with 1 Tim 6:3 and Titus 3:9 I have nothing more to say to u. U have a heretical view of verbal plenary inspiration. Good bye.
Progamble 4 years ago
A heretic is a divisive person, if you look at the Greek meaning of the word from which we get the term. Have you ever split a church or caused division where you were?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Never said these extra-scriptural prophecies the Bible mentions were verbal plenary, but would you say they weren't? Was the thunder clap that said something that John her not verbal plenarily inspired? I would not dare say such a thing. It was in the middle of his visionary experience in revelation.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I believe what the Bible teaches about gifts and revelation and back it up with scripture, and you accuse me of being a heretic? Ad homenem attacks won't convince me I'm a heretic. If you can't back up what you believe with scripture, why do you believe it?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Only heretics believe in verbal plenary inspiration outside of the Scriptures. READ CHURCH HISTORY ITS LITTERED WITH HERETICS AND HERESIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Progamble 4 years ago
Look at that list. There is plenty of proof from scripture of extra-scriptural revelation. Not all revelation is canon for all mankind. Do you believe God can call someone to ministry?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I dont think u understand the difference between Special Revelation, General Revelation, illumination, calling, etc... IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF U PICKED UP A BOOK ON SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY AND DID SOME STUDY ON THE DOCTRINE OF THE BIBLE b4 u made comments!
Progamble 4 years ago
You need to pick up the Bible and read it. I keep proving what I say with scripture. You keep makng accusing, making guilt by association arguments, and insisting on using theological terms when you can't back them up with scripture.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Some people that you are speaking too aren't even saved so they won't understand the Bible or the meaning of anything else as far as that goes. We depend on the Spirit to show us and teach us as well. If they talk about you just think they did it first to the Lord Jesus Christ. Look up and keep on going don't even think about other people what they say and what they do. You'll run into alot of people just like that from all over the world. Keep up the good work.
watchmanathome 3 years ago
Jonah is already a prophet before he is introduced to us in Scripture, but what did he prophecy. We just have that one prophecy. Paul wrote of a man caught up into the 3rd heaven, who heard things not lawful to be uttered--revelation he could not share.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
No. I believe God provides for us. I do not believe we should love money and seek after earthly riches in this life. As for speaking positive words, there is some truth to such things. For example, implicit in the Bible is the idea that curses and blessings can have power, (e.g. Saul cursing those who ate before the battle ended.)
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
The health and wealth gospel is lie from the pit of hell! Furthermore changing our reality by spoken words is eastern mysticism which the New Age movement has embraced. God is Sovereign, He cotrols our reality. Satan is not Sovereign. Read the book of Job.
Progamble 4 years ago
Then I spent some time in 'Third Wave' circles, groups that came out of evangelical movements that believed in gifts, and saw countless expressions of these things. Maybe Pentecostalism has stagnated a bit in some ways. I read some Azusa Street history, and apparently, there were numerous healings going on back then when the movement started.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I agree that scriptures teach us diff. btwn truth and error, but let's not say things about scripture that the scriptures do not, e.g. that it is God's only means of revelation. I can show you scripture that refers to revelation not written in scritpure. e.g. book of Iddo the seer, the sealed up thunder clap, some of Jesus acts.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I WOULD STRONGLY URGE U TO STUDY THE DOCTRINE OF THE BIBLE!!!! This last comment is 100% HERESY. I dont mean to be rude or disrespectful but if u believe that special revelation (not general) exists outside of the Bible in other books, then u are a heretic and u need to repent!!!!
Progamble 4 years ago
There is plenty of extra scriptural revelation mentioned in scripture. e.g. THe prophets who met Saul prohesied, but we do not know the content of their prophecies. Same with Saul's prophecies. Book of Iddo the seer-mention in scripture, but not quoted. The Bible refers to previous prophecies of Micaiah to king Ahab, but only one is recorded.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
John heard what one of the thunder claps said, was going to write it down in the book of Revelation, but was told to seal it up. Jesus is the Word of God, the ultimate revelation of God to man. Everything He did on earth revealed God, yet scripture says that if all his acts were written down, John supposed the world could not contain the books.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Why did I only receive one email notification I got on this video, but there are 22 comments. Strange.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Do u believe God is revealing new spiritual truth which the Church or a local church is obligated to obey?
Progamble 4 years ago
If you are asking me, I believe the faith was handed down from the beginning (i.e., the church has long had true doctrine.) But God can reveal a truth to someone he has already entrusted to the church. It is a revelation to that individual if it comes by the Spirit of revelation. (Using 'revelation' in a BIBLICAL sense here.) Also, God does reveal things to individuals.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
When a person comes to a deeper understanding of biblical truth, theologians refer to this as "illumination" and not "revelation." Plz do a Biblical study on this topic and u might be suprised to find out that what I am saying is correct.
Progamble 4 years ago
In other words, you don't know of any scripture that teaches this. Some Pentecostal Bible school proffs use the same terminology you are using. The issue is theological terminology vs. Biblical terminology. I prefer to use Biblical terminology, in which 'revelation' is a broader term than the way you are using it.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
So how would u define the Trinity? The Bible doesnt use the word trinty. How would u define the God head?
Progamble 4 years ago
If Professors in your denomination agree with me, doesnt that confirm that what I am saying might be true? You dont claim to be right and ever one else wrong do u? Your not proud?
Progamble 4 years ago
My denomination? your words, not mine. There is theological terminology that is not scripture terminology. I prefer to stick with scritpural terminology if possible, especially when teaching scripture. The Bible calls a wide variety of things 'revelation.' If the Bible is authoratative, should I go with it's terminology or some theologians?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
John Marcus nearly all Penetcostals/Charismatics have a low view of the Scriptures. No matter high hard u try and make the Scriptures your final authority u cant. Why? Because at the foundation of your theology is a "Scripture +" principle. Whereas my theology is "Scripture alone." This is why u dont ascribe to the Bible the honour, power, and glory it truly deserves.
Progamble 4 years ago
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Prog, You seem to have a low view of scripture because you don't believe it. The Bible does not teach that it is the only way God speaks to people. The Bible teaches these gifts of the Spirit my video talks about. Do you want to believe the Bible, or try to 'exalt' the Bible by believing a doctrine that contradicts the Bible?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Jesus said all authority is given to Him in heaven and in earth. He said he'd send the Spirit to lead us into all truth. I'm not comfortable with people saying, 'the Bible is the final authority' because the Bible does not use this terminology and emphasizes the authority of Christ and the Spirit's role in leading into all truth.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
'm sorry but the Bible does attest itself to be the final authority on all matters related to the Christian faith. Plz read 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
Progamble 4 years ago
This passage says that scripture is given, among other reasons, that the man of God might be fully equipped. It does not say that the Bible is the only piece of equipment, or that we do not need the things that the Bible says we need now because we have the Bible. It does not call the Bible the 'only authority.'
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Your statement was about "authority" not training in righteousness. I gave u a Scripture that asserts the authority of Scripture. Scripture attests itself as the final authority. If it isnt the final authority then what is? U can believe just about anything and be decieved by anyone if u dont hold to the Bible as being the final authority.
Progamble 4 years ago
I did not say that scripture is not authoratative. I do not agree with saying scripture is the final authority, because the scriptures do not teach that. Teaching doctrine not found in scripture goes against 'sola scriptura.' Stop violating sola scriptura to promote your views about scripture, and believe the scriptures.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
How can we judge truth from error? Through Jesus? Of course not. Jesus isnt going to come down from heaven and tell us what is true and what is untrue. Jesus said "..your word is truth...." (John 17:7). The Word of God is what we test all things related to Spiritual matters. Plz stop prophesying and start readin your Bible more!
Progamble 4 years ago
Scripture does assert that it is the final authority 2 Tim. 3:17!
Progamble 4 years ago
The verse says"17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV.) Not final authority. Plus it does not say that it is the only equipment, but that the man of GOd might be fully equipped. A soldier gets a gun to be fully equipped, but he also needs bullets, helmet, clothes, etc.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Scripture is useful for "...teaching, correcting, rebuking, and training in righteousness..." in other words for every area of life.
Progamble 4 years ago
Btw, you used a verse about training in righteousness about authority. I am saying Jesus said "All authority is given unto Me, in heaven and in earth...." Doesn't it follow that Christ is the 'final authority.' Why make doctrinal statements that say that 'scripture is the final authority' if the scriptures themselves teach that it is Christ who has all authority. Let's stick with what the Bible says, not make up doctrinal statements we can't back up with scriture.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Just about every theologian both Charismatic and non-Christmatic, agree that the Bible is the final authority. You are going against countless numbers of godly mean through out the ages, and more importantly Scripture itself. Without being disrespectful and rude, I must say that going by some of your comments I am not convinced that u hold to the doctrines of Protestant Christianity.
Progamble 4 years ago
My question. I tell you of a miracle, and you say if there were miracles, there would be lots of them. So if only one person gets healed miraculously that you know about, that means there are no miracles? Does that make sense?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
No! What I mean is that 99% of the claims that charismatics make are baseless. I hear so many sensational claims, but when these claims are thoroughly investigated they are nearly always proven to be false. I agree, my argument doesnt prove that God isnt doing miracles, but what it does prove is that Charismatics are plainly dishonest or horribly deceived when they make many wild, sensational claims.
Progamble 4 years ago
Okay, well I could agree with that. That some people are sensational about it. I think one issue is that people want to talk positive as an expression of faith, so they talk about the day everyone in a healing crusade gets healed, etc.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Some people complain about only hearing about the extraordinary miracles on distant mission fields. But doesn't it make sense we would hear more of these things in places where the Gospel is being first introduced?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I grew up in Pentecostal and Full Gospel circles (moved a lot.) I can think of one or two healings and maybe two or three prophecies, interpretations, or words of knowledge that seemed to me to be clearly supernatural (e.g. made manifest the secrets of my heart.)
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Based on a previous comment u seem to concede that many of the claims made by Charismatics in our part of the world could be sensational and highly exaggerated. If they are highly exaggerated then isnt it logical and sensible to question the supposed miracles happening else where?
Progamble 4 years ago
Do u believe in the "prosperity gospel" (health and wealth)? Do u believe in speaking positive words which can change our reality?
Progamble 4 years ago
some people says speak as if they were and they aren't. Look it up in the Bible.
watchmanathome 3 years ago
Not all of them.
watchmanathome 3 years ago
When one becomes saved that is a Miracle or in case some one don't understand the word saved - be born again in the spirit.
watchmanathome 3 years ago
You continue to make statement about me and others that are not true. I never said I am at present part of a Pentecostal denomination. You should not make judgments without knowing a person. I am presently part of a network of churches and ministries and we believe the word of God (bible) is our foundation of truth.
ApostleProphet 4 years ago
Are u claming to be an apostle and Prophet?
Progamble 3 years ago
Many unbelievers have read the Bible but dont believe it or reject it, that means according to your definition of the "words of the Bible" Christianity is a dead religion to these people, because they have not come "to know the God behind the Bible." WHAT ABSOLUTE NONSENSE! The Word of God is the Word of God whether people accept it, reject it, or obey it. Man does not determine the power and efficacy of the Bible. Plz think that through. Your comments border on heresy and blasphemy.
Progamble 4 years ago
You are making judgments that are wrong. Many read the bible but still don't know "the Word - Jesus" behind the bible. They may even go to a church and do religious activity, but still not know God (Father and Jesus) personally. Yes the word will stand forever regardless of people believing it or not.
ApostleProphet 4 years ago
John Marcus and the producer of this video plz note: I came out of the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement. During my time in the movement I saw many so called "manifestations" of the Spirit, but I never saw one true miracle. Tell me, have u ever seen the blind see? Have u ever seen the death hear? Lets be honest have u?. Plz dont avoid this question!
Progamble 4 years ago
The first healing I witnessed that I remember was a girl a year ahead of me in school who had severely crossed eyes, very badly, and cokebottle glasses. She went up for prayer at church and the evangelist laid hands on her. The next day, the kids were talking about it. I talked to her and she told me how she went up and got healed.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Is this healing documented? Did any doctors examine her and confirm a reversal in her condition? I have done extensive research on this issue and I can tell u that 99% of supposed healings cannot be medically confirmed. I always hear second hand stories that cannot be confirmed either way.
Progamble 4 years ago
The Biblical standard to establish an event is not a medical event, but rather the testimony of witnesses.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
This is the same response I always get. Charismatics love to make wild sensational claims but they hardly ever allow such claims to be investigated. If the girl u claim is healed why not get it medically examined? Why not tell the world about it? What have u got to hide? Plz give me the doctors name and number and I will investigate it myself.
Progamble 4 years ago
I was 13 and did not think of such things. There are plenty of testimonies. You can see healings on Youtube. Do the research. I'm busy with my life right now, and don't have time to document every healing that takes place. Why don't you do it if you are interested?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
You proved my point! U were 13 when u saw this "miraculous" healing take place. It happeneed many years ago, in a far away place. Have u seen any others since then? Surely if u guys of the gift of healing like u claim there should be hundreds if not thousands of cases that can be medically verified. Dont u think that is a reasonable assertion? Can u give me at least one?
Progamble 4 years ago
How was it confirmed that the people in the Bible who experienced healing were in fact healed? They just said so? WHAT NONSENSE! Whats wrong with getting it medically examined? If your so confident that a genuine healing took place why not tell the world about it?
Progamble 4 years ago
I'm not against medical confirmation, but there are no doctors' reports of healings in Jesus' day. That does not make them false. They were confirmed by witnesses. Doctors now have categories like 'spontaneous remission' or 'I misdiagnosed it the first time.'
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
"...No doctors reports of healings in Jesus' day..." WHO WROTE THE BOOK OF ACTS? Luke! LUKE WAS A MEDICAL DOCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Luke documented most of the miracles for us. Its obvious u dont really know the Scriptures at all.
Progamble 4 years ago
Touche. Luke was a 'doctor' according to ancient standards, before medicine developed like it has now. But he did not collect x-rays and make a modern medical report or use independent variables like a scientist. He shared the story verified by reliable witnesses.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
If anyone was qualified to state that a person was genuinely healed it would have been Luke. Who else in those times would have been able give an accurate assesment of a persons condition? May be a farmer? What about a tax collector? No! Surely common sense suggests that the best person would be a doctor!!!!!!!!
Progamble 4 years ago
So you mean if I can only come up with proof of a few miracles, that there are no miracles?
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
I dont understand your question????
Progamble 4 years ago
I agree that scripture is important and that it is for teaching, etc. What I am saying is that the fact that the Bible equips us does not make the parts of the Bible that says that God gives gifts false. II Timothy does not make I Corinthians 12 false, which seems to be the way you take II Timothy. Plus, revelation clearly continued after II Tim. 3 was written (e.g. II Tim 4, Revelation of St. John, etc.)
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Read my comments above.
Progamble 4 years ago
It is also worth noting that a lot of the times in scripture where mass healings and miracles were occuring, the Gospel was being first proclaimed among a certain people group. Hebrews 2 notes that when the Gospel was first preached among the readers, it was preached with signs, wonders and miracles.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Pro, Luke probably wasn't around for a lot of the healings in Luke and Acts. He apparently joined Paul fairly late in Acts based on usage of things like 'we sailed.' I added a video response. Watch that and hopefully it will answer a lot of your objections.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Illumination is aquiring understanding and insight into the truth, revelation is the unveiling of truth. They are two completley different words.God no longer unveils new "spiritual truth" which the Church or a local church must obey, do u agree?
Progamble 4 years ago
These are man-made theological definitions you are using, not scriptural usage. Paul prayed that the Ephesians would have the Spirit of revelation. Peter knew that Jesus is the Christ because the Father REVEALED this to Him. The Son REVEALS the Father to people. Reveal is not a dirty word.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Do u believe in the Trinity? If yes, that is a man made definition that u cannot find in the Bible yet all true Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. In the same way, the definitions I suggested are not labeled as such in the Bible, yet the Bible teaches them.
Progamble 4 years ago
Can you show where the Bible teaches such things? I see where the Bible teaches there are spiritual gifts. The gifts that the Bible teaches us are real are not the enemy of the Bible.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Look up the two words in any Bible dictionary. Its not a matter of opinion. There is a very big difference between illumination and Revelation.
Progamble 4 years ago
Awesome! Points brought out I had not heard or thought of before. Praise God!
MissBelieve 4 years ago
Nice teaching brother! 5/5 *****
ApostleProphet 4 years ago
The Bible teaches that the Spirit gives gifts like prophecy, words of knowledge, etc. The Bible says 'despise not prophesyings' and 'covet to prophesy.' So let's obey the Bible.
SaudaraLink 4 years ago
Amen.
ApostleProphet 4 years ago
The Bible is the only infallable revelation of God, therefore it is the only revelation we base our beliefs and practices on.
prqnl 4 years ago
We must be careful not to make our doctrine or the bible itself our idol. We need to come to know the wonderful kind and good God and Father, that inspired the word of God. The Holy Spirit opens up the word of God to us, and gives us revelation that we may understand the word of God. We need a good balance between the word (bible) and the spirit, (Holy Spirit).
ApostleProphet 4 years ago
The Bible is not our idol. It is our guide. Any time you elevate any person, be it a pastor or a prophet, to the same level of authority as the Bible, you will have extrabiblical and unbiblical practices. Pentecostals will say that their prophets are second in authority to the word of God, but in practice it is the charismatic leaders with the latest "revelation from God" who lead the church.
prqnl 4 years ago
We need more unity in the body of Christ. I have been praying for this for years and have the vision in my heart of the body coming into unity around the Lord Jesus Christ as the son of God. Also around the fact that the word of God is our foundation. The Holy Spirit will help us to understand the revelations of truth that are found in the word of God. The gifts are still for the church today.
ApostleProphet 4 years ago
I came out of the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement. During my time in the movement I saw many so called "manifestations" of the Spirit, but I never saw one true miracle. Tell me, have u ever seen the blind see? Have u ever seen the death hear? Lets be honest have u?. When u respond plz do so in Enlish and not Japanese.
Progamble 4 years ago
Oh wow, I lost this video and couldn't find it. Then I got an email notification that someone had replied to a comment. I want to correct something I said. I said the bible is not our idol, it is our guide. That is incorrect. The Bible is not merely our guide. The bible is God. "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
prqnl 4 years ago
The Holy Spirit gives us illumination not revelation of the Scriptures. There is a significant difference between the two.
Progamble 4 years ago
Once again u use words and terms very loosley, e.g. "revelation." Furthermore u have a low view of the Scriptures. The underlying theme I am hearing from your comments is that the Bible is just words on paper nothing more. The experience of God is what counts, therefore, the Bible lacks efficacy without man experiencing truth or living out the truth.I counsel u to study the doctrine of the Bible b4 making comments about it.
Progamble 4 years ago