Using church bells as attack singles, hiding behind their own women and children. Hoping the Americans would be to civilized to shot for fear of hitting non combative. Guessed wronged I'd say. Why are people shocked when brutal guerillas war tactics prod a standing army to reply in the same manor.
@lastchip - They Filipinos attacked heavily armed SOLDIERS that had invaded their country using machetes. That is incredible bravery against a brutal invading army. They were not hiding behinds women and children they attacked an army base without even having guns.
The Americans responded by killing unarmed women and children and destroying the entire Island.
How sick you must be to not see what the U.S. was doing was wrong.
@lastchip we fought so long to acheive independence and you americans just stole it! i'm not a magnanimous person and i want to avenge the death of hundreds of thousands of filipinos during the war.
ang nagpapahirap sa atin ngaun ay mga intsik mga amerikano at mga kurakot na mga pilipinong nasa gobyerno..pagaralan nyo mabuti ang kasaysayan at makikita nyo na ang mga kastila ang humubog sa atin upang maging isang bansa tayo..oo may pangaabuso mula sa iilang kastila pero mas malaking kabutihan at malaking kaunlaran ang naibigay sa atin ng mga kastila...ang maging kristiyano lang ay napakalaking kayamanan na pamana sa atin ng kastila yan..
Death to American Imperialists! I pray that all the US soldiers and commanders who killed Filipino civillians during the Philippine-American War are in hell right now. I admire the Filipinos who selflessly defended the country against the Americans. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
fuckin american imperialists. the americans themselves were victims of imperialism by the british. they were also a colony back then. how dare they become imperialists. death to imperialism!
Pero no fue así. En el caso de Puerto Rico, España no defendió ni la autonomía que nos había dado que incluía nuestra propia moneda ni la ciudadanía española que teníamos.
de todas maneras, si España hubiera sido más inteligente, habría dado la independencia a Filipinas, Cuba y Puerto Rico y muchísimas vidas se habrían salvado. Es una pena que España no haya sido un país más inteligente.
im glad we pinoys kick them fucking white boys out ... all they do was teaching us english and taking away our culture.... like they did to the blacks..... and than they bomb with a atomic bomb over japan and just killed civil and after that they are making human rights so we cant take revenge on them ...
i fucking hate whites, they never apologised for their wrong doings, spain and america are all the same..america was the worst, because they exterminated 1/6 of the population..at least the japs apologised,, i pray for the downfall of these white demons..
@AmzitheSoldier apologies made the difference, you white people cant do that because most of you think killing is ok as long as it is done to non whites,.the worse thing is that white people here in the philippines tried to cover their crimes up and create their own version of history which will favor them, i myself never knew of the philippine massacre until when i was in college..lesson here, white folks can't be trusted, you might end up dead..
@halashet What? Asians haven't apologized for enslaving Africans at the same time as Whites, meanwhile only whites are blamed for slavery. Or murdering 10's of Millions of other people. You should be thankful we rescued you lot from the Japanese ;]
@AmzitheSoldier japan attacked us because we were the bastion of america in asia pacific, but even so the death toll from the japanese was less than the genocide your people committed and hid,.and they already apologised and compensated for what they did, search it in you tube, you can find the apology speech of the japanese ambassador in the philippines. i dont really expect any apologies from the americans but at least don't deny what you did, innocent lives were lost by the millions you know.
Los Anglos son propensos a cometer actos de genocidio. Lo han repetido a travez de la historia. Con el mundo hispano no han podido aunque se les ha ocurrido. Los hemos frenado en seco.
Cierto, es una tradicion celebrada en especial por los filipinos y mexicanos. Se acostumbra llevar flores y comida para pasar un tiempo a lado de sus seres queridos que ya han muerto. Tambien se hacen recordatorios en honor a los muertos, en el mismo hogar.
Spearman and Pinoy, From the north Chinese and Japanese invaded and traded with the pre-Spanish Philippines. Malays from the south brought Arab and Indian culture to the southern Philippines. Each Island had thier own language and kingdoms but outside influences from foreign cultures helped create the Philippines. The division exist today in the USA with Visayans, Tagalogs, and Illocanos arguing over who should govern the local American/Filipino club. LOL. Like my Mom said' a "Flip is a Flip"
@apacogon Yes. Chinese and Japanese corsairs occasionally ended up on certain islands of Luzon along with traders. I dont think they settled though and established "kingdoms" before the arrival of the spanish. We had Limahong in Pangasinan for that when Spain was already established. But they werent numerous compared to Spanish period. The Philippines is 7, 100 islands. One such place that China distinctly influenced the native population was the island of Mindoro if I remember it correctly.
@Spearman36 Holy shit you are misinterpreting me so much. I did not say China nor Japan made kingdoms in the Philippines. The various kingdoms in Luzon were set up either locally or even one was set up as a Brunei satellite. However the Kingdom of Tondo's origins remains a mystery, what is known since you mention Japan is that Tondo is recorded to be older than Tokyo, according to the Laguna Copperlate, which is dated to be from 900 AD.
@Spearman36 Oh and one more thing I forgot to point out, the Chinese and Japanese weren't going to luzon just occasionally, there was many trade between the 3, and even diplomatic purposes perhaps because like I keep pointing out, the Ming dynasty established diplomatic relations with the Kingdom of Tondo.Regardless, like I said there was many Chinese and even Japanese who settled and visited in the kingdoms, not actually making settlements.
@apacogon I don't fight with Bisayan, I have many Bisayan friends, and I am Kapampangan, not Tagalog :P I am just showing a fellow Filipino our great history, hmm I know of chinese invasions, but am not familiar with Japanese invasions during that time, please share.
@ThtOnePinoy You didn't fight with with the Visayans, Tagalogs, Pangasians? Me niether..The pre-Spanish Filipinos were terraritorial and warlike with Chiefs and Tatu's who defended thier islands kingdoms. There was trade, and pirates both from the north and south. The Filipinos once asked the Japanese to help deport (murder) 40,000 Chinese, and I'm sure individual Japanese warlords tried to occupy Norther Luzon. Remember the Filipinos killed Magellan...
@apacogon Everyone in Luzon I don't fight with and consider as one of my own, and Bisayans, and even anyone in Mindanao I consider bretheren just the same too. Hmm be careful of what you call chiefs, only the indigenous were chiefs, the kingdoms had Sultanate, rajahnate apparently, and Lakans(Lakanate isn't a real term but hey, Lakan was a title). Hmm where did you find this where they actually asked the Japanese to murder that much chinese?
@ThtOnePinoy Do you know that the word "Pinoy" is an insult to most native born Filipinos living in the P.I.?? It refers to the American song "The monkeys on Zamboanga have no tails" The Filipino's who migrated to the U.,S. call themselves 'Pinoy's" and often mocked the white Americans by calling each other 'Boy". So you sir must live in the U.S. The word king is the same as a chief, datu, sultan, president, or any other word you choose. The history of my ancestors is on line. STUDY!!!
@apacogon Indeed, I do live in the U.S., I am one of the probably few fil-am who actually gives a shit about their culture. King is not necessarily the same as chief, and you forgot lakan, the title same as lakan dula, as well as rajah. I don't need to study, I guarantee I know a lot more about my ancestors, and they were not mere chiefs, but kings. The people of Lakan Dula.
@ThtOnePinoy As an American I refer to a leader running around in feathers and spears as a Chief. You sound like you would have the P.I. return to it's Islamic past and forget about the Spainish and American past. That will never happen, you cannot change 400 years of outside influence. There are no ancient great stone structures in the P.I. as in Thailand and Cambodia. What was the P.I. before your beloved Datus and Rajahs appeared? They were like some of todays Borneo residents.
@apacogon Not all of our ancestors were muslim you fool, and there are no records that indicate all of them were running around in feathers and spears, some were actually sophisticated and more advanced, ever read the boxer codex? Those aren't like indians, if the kingdom of tondo was the most successful and important in trade in Asia at that time, why would they be tribal? Because they weren't, so wasn't the rest of the kingdoms in luzon at that time, do some research dude, seriously...
@ThtOnePinoy Why are you stuck on my use of the word "Chief"? Was the house of Lakan Dula the Kingdom of all the Islands? No! Before the Arab/Indo, Japanese/Chinese, Spanish/American influence the Filipinos were a conglomeration of different tribes (Indios) and languages. They did not build stone temples they built long houses like the Samoan's Hawaiian's, Mori's, Chammoran's and other Pacific Islanders. They were war like and raided each others lands and killing each other.
@apacogon Im not just stuck on your use of chief, it is also because you carelessly label our ancestors as something else, and then try to apply that to everything. No shit, and it wasn't just the pacific islanders who had that kind of architecture, it was with almost every other ethnics who started out as indigenous before, but even long before we started building anything, we were cave dwellers during the tabon man's time.
@apacogon Regardless, im not talking about my older ancestors, im talking about my other more later ancestors, and they were more advanced obviously since then, and so what if his kingdom didn't apply to all of the islands? No one else did, hence the reason I specifically was talking about Luzon, because pretty much that whole area was covered by different kingdoms. None of them were chiefs, go read the Ming-Shi-Lu(chinese ming dynasty records) and boxer codex if you think im lying.
@ThtOnePinoy How do know if these "ming records" or the "boxer codex" were talking about Luzon? Many of the chinese documents were archaic that up to now not one of them had been substantiated. Much less verified in authenticity or translated properly. Youre fond of name dropping without offering any proof.
@Spearman36 lol, why not you take your dipshit self and go read Mike Pangilinan's findings? He's a legitimate researcher from U.P. Diliman. I sent you the links already, perhaps you were too lazy to move the mouse? Fucking crab-mentalized shit.
@ThtOnePinoy Mike Pangilinan from U. P Diliman, eh. What are his works dipshit. He is not the final word. I've read a lot of interesting assumptions from 'researchers'. But I dont know what links you sent because I received none of it.
@Spearman36 He's a much more credible researcher than most, how do you not know his work? Even some of my friends who don't know shit about this topic or even care know about him.
@apacogon and like I just said, not all of us were muslims, there were buddhists too as well, and even more commonly our ancient paganism, or more specifically, our polytheistic religions. Lol and you should already know what happened to the ancient kingdoms, colonization, re-dividing by the americans, natural disasters, the old kingdom of Tondo has been swept away by a volcano, the govt. does not give effort to try to find out more about their ancestors...
@apacogon and sorry but you need to do more research, just for the fact you are thinking that all of our ancestors were tribes is an insult, especially Lakan Dula was not referred as a chief by the chinese, nor the Spanish, why else did the spaniards call it "house of Lakan Dula"? Royalty, we weren't monkeys running around with no pants if that's what you were thinking, a lot of them, and like I said sultanate in Mindanao were civilized, as in, not tribal.
@apacogon did you also know the word "filipino" is an insult as well? It means your forever the subject of king philipp, a foreigner, a tyrant, and filipino originally meant only the spaniards living in the philippines, so even more of an insult. As of now, we have no original name, other than our provincial or ethnic names, such as Illokano, kapampangan, bisayan, maguindanaoan, maranaoan.
@apacogon Spain helped create borders, however take a look at Africa where their borders were also made for them however without even their participation or knowledge of it, done by Europeans, and take a look at them now. They didn't really help as much as they gave an opportunity of unifiying the whole Archipelago(fucking up the original names of places while they were at it -_-) however geographically we are unified, but mentally hmm, you should ask Spearman's opinion of the Tagalogs.
@ThtOnePinoy The newly created of borders in Eastern Europe were created by themselves. The borders in Africa were done by the U.N. because these people killed each other by the millions. Do you agree that small countries cannot compete in the world markets? Filipinos are Malay shouldn't they be part of Malayasia? The tiny nations of Central America should unite into a Hispanic nation. A united Africa, and South America would be powerful..Nationalism, religion and language keep them apart
@apacogon The borders were done long before U.N., the Europeans wanted to regulate and organize how the lands were to be divided for themselves, look up the Berlin conference. And no, I do not agree, small countries if you mean by actual land size they can compete in the market, just take a look at Japan, no bigger than the U.S., or what about Korea? Their doing a pretty good job due to their "Miracle on the Han river"... I wish us filipinos had our miracle on the han river...
Read this book “Manila men in the new world” you'll find some Mexicans their roots can be traced from the Philippines vice versa and Filipinos inherited some of Mexicans culture and tradition due to Galleon trade...Tatay which is dad in Filipino language for example is actually Aztecs (Nahuatl language)(amazon.com/dp/9715425291/ref=nosim?tag=idigita-20&linkCode=sb1&camp=212353&creative=380549)
@larainne69 Thanks! Another good book is "FILIPINOS: forgotten asian Americans" a history from 1763-1963. Due to the harsh treatment by the Spanish navy many Filipinos jumped ship in Mexico and blended into Mexican society. In America 300 Filipinos were delivered by the Spanish to French New Orleans Louisana in 1763, they taught the locals how to bulid house's on stilts and how to dry and shell shrimp for the world markets. They also blended into American life but never forgot who they were!!
"A good deal of work suffers from failure to take evidence seriously, or to consider basic moral truisms (the most obvious of which is that the standards we apply to others we must also apply to ourselves)." - Noam Chomsky, Review of International Studies (2003), 29, p. 605.
"A good deal of work suffers from failure to take evidence seriously, or to consider basic moral truisms (the most obvious of which is that the standards we apply to others we must also apply to ourselves)." - Noam Chomsky, Review of International Studies (2003), 29, p. 605.
and American atrocities against the Philippines did not end there, dont forget that Ferdinand Marcos was a friend of Ronald Reagan and when he lost agaist Corazon, he went into "exile" in Hawaii.
americans together with their allies are the real perpetrator of state sponsored oppression and terrorism. they are acting like they own the entire planet and do what pleases them regardless if they have to commit genocide just to impose their will. but im not worried at all...justice and vengence will be on the next life and we will be the one who will laugh in the end when we see all of you burn in hell....
is there a higher quality version of these videos? i'd like to show this to my class but when i maximized it, the video was too pixelated and could not be watched. thank you very much for this
Filipinos are actually Malays by descend, Tagalog is another form of Bahasa Melayu, but most Filipinos would consider themselves "half-spanish" or half something else, they would rather consider themselves offspring of spanish whores than their true race Malays
I never said that there was not a culture before the Spaniards. Occidental states as we know them are an European construction. One of such States is the Philippines. Even culture evolves. You cannot rewind history for good or bad. The way the different groups of the diverse islands that compose the modern and occidental Philippine state was not what is today. Even the language . Tagalo as you know now is a construction. Even the other natives languages are such.
@tierraboricua I'm not rewinding hx for any good nor bad view. I was correcting u for saying Philippines didn't existed. Culture IS people. D'you know ALIBATA? The authentic ALPHABET of Filipinos before Spain arrived. It is alive up to this day. What do you know bout Tagalog? Pretty much every language is "a construction", Y? Language is very diverse and is constantly evolving. Another, D'you know Behasa Melayu? It's considered 2 be the root of our language & definitely not from the West.
@zenon2032 thks for your comments, but to add that ALIBATA is actually Arabic alphabet for Alif, Ba, Ta, which is ABC. its so cause Philipines were actually Muslims, religion brought from Malacca Sultanate when Hang Tuah, the Malacca Admiral conquer southern philipines, the spanish explorer Magellen came n invade Philippines at the same time forcibly covert the ppl to christianity, choice of "Either u live by the cross or Die by the cross".
@tierraboricua By our language as "construction" u mean what?? Tagalog & our other native dialects sprouts mainly on Behasa Melayu.. which is linked to Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei..etc. --Malayan heritage. not Espanyol..... Anyway, it's waaay off topic now to this vid. Nice docu! Thanx for posting. It's entertaining to read points of view of other nationalities. It's good. ^^
@tierraboricua Good ending. I'am a half Illocano half German/ American. We were never taught much about the Phillippine/American war except that we won. Maybe if we were taught the truth Viet Nam would not of happened. After 333 years of Spanish rule I wonder how many Filipino's died during it's own Catholic inquistion? The Filipino's want to reconnect with thier Spainish roots by making the Spainish language mandatory in schools. Why? It is not to the countrys enonomic advantage to do so
@apacogon Not every filipino wants to, their are 2 sides, one that you've already explained, and the other side are the much more educated who want to reconnect with the original culture, what I mean by educated is actual filipino researcers prefer this, filipino who study beyond spanish colonization prefer this, etc. And so far, as the youth expand, they learn about their past and want to revive it(the original of course). Indeed, it is not, Its merely extremist colonial mentality.
@ThtOnePinoy Thanks to the information age, I was able to connect to what the real Filipino was and is. My Fathers tribe the Illocano's have historical roots to the settlement of the Hawiian Islands. Illocano's have fought in America's war's from 1812 to present. The paumalinawen festival video from Loang depicts pure Filipino culture. However, because of the Chinese, Japanese, Muslims, Spanish, and American influences, the Filipino culture is the most unique in the world.
@apacogon Hope you are not saying we are similar to pacific islanders now, because we are not :) plus not everyones filipino ancestors was a tribe, for example, my mother is kapampangan, which has historical roots of its own as being the descendant ethnic group of the luzon empire/kingdom of tondo, which was one of the oldest and important empires in asia due to it's sucess in trade and seemed to had been in a path of modernization of its own. Ancient kps has many contacts with China and Japan
@ThtOnePinoy In the Bishop museum in Honolulu Hawaii there is a display depicting Filipino culture. The automated lecture explains the similiarity of the Hawaiian and Filipino (Illocano) language. Illocano is listed in wikipedia as a Malayo / polynesian language. A pacific map shows the routes used by the ancients to navigate to Hawaii. From northern Luzon and south to New Guinea the ancients settled every pacific island and may have reached South America.
@ThtOnePinoy I used the word tribe instead of dialects, What would you prefer? empire or kingdom. Sounds awfully European. The early Filipinos fiercely defended thier Island empires, thus a language conglomeration. In 1661 the Illocanos became the first tribe to rebel againist the Spainish rule. Don Almazon created the Kingdom of the Illoco's, and with the help of the Kapampangan's he was later excuted. In 1762 the Illocanos rebelled again it also ended in failure. Igorots pure Filipino's!!!
@apacogon So it appears that calling the Empire of Japan, Dai Nippon Teikoku, or the several dynasties of Empire of China are all just european. No, kingdoms and empires aren't solely european, infact, the Kingdom of Tondo was one of the oldest empires in Asia, and the most important, it consisted of other kingdoms, the others which rebelled against spain, some kapampangan did side with spain, but all of the later kapampangans played a key role in the maharlikan conspiracy with the japanese.
@ThtOnePinoy To side with the devil just because he is asian is pretty ignorant. To watch 26,000 Filipinos butchered in Camp O'Donnel (Pampangan) in just 3 months by the would be liberators should have changed any thought of conspiring with the Japanese. My uncle was beheaded in La Union in 1942 another uncle was in the 1st Bolo Div. USA and help capture Yamashita. So you know where my loyalty's are.
@apacogon Well the funny thing is, no one is saying the devil is Asian, the Japanese I refer to is the Japanese from before, when the Japanese and the Filipino were pretty much best of friends during medieval times, obviously the ones who participated in WWII I do not refer to, people of a nation change sometimes. The Japanese from before is very different from the ones in WWII. Lol, another good example is you should see how dirty Americans were during the fil-am war.Thats imperialism for you
@ThtOnePinoy Sorry, I thought you were refering to the traitors of WWll who were promised the return Maharlikan indepedence. The fake film depicts the slaughter of of rebels. Most Filipinos died in concentration camps from disease and hunger. This was the first war in which American soldiers were tried for war crimes. The victories by the Visayans angered the American soldier who were not used to fighting sniper type jungle warfare but here is no excuse for killing children, ever!!!!
@apacogon Yeah, I know, it's just horrible everything that happened in WWII... Everything, at that point, everyone seemed to turn into the most inhumane as possible... Especially the human experimentations, have you heard of unit 731?
@apacogon Regardless, we had empires and kingdoms, and no those terms are not european, to think that is to be ignorant, asians had empires and kingdoms as well, such as even the majapahit kingdom. Do not be blindsighted because of a people who had a bad generation, it's like as if me saying I want to kill all spanish just because of what their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. No one wants that, that kind of hate is what started WWII in the first place.
@ThtOnePinoy The generation of Japanese people that killed hundreds of thousands of Filipinos no longer exist!!! Thank you USA. I do not hate the Japanese people. I grew up with Japanese people who were born in American style concentration camps during WWll. True Americans do not hate anybody. Do you get to attend Mexican, Filipino, Portuguese, Spanish, German, Polish, Chinese, Arab and Japanese Obon festivals? We do, and with todays Japanese tragic losses we respect them even more.
@apacogon Thank you dude, that is all I needed to know, because some, even Americans I see a lot that still have very strong anti-japanese sentiment :( they say many really disgusting things, especially now with the tsunami...
@ThtOnePinoy To side with the devil just because he is asian is pretty ignorant. To watch 26,000 Filipinos butchered in Camp O'Donnel (Pampangan) in just 3 months by the would be liberators should have changed any thought of conspiring with the Japanese. My uncle was beheaded in La Union in 1942 another uncle was in the 1st Bolo Div. USA and helped capture Yamashita. So you know where my loyalty's are.
We share a similar family history . My paternal grandfather , A Filipino of Spaniard descent, who was a U.S citizen though born in the Visayas served as BN Sgt Major in the, Philippine Scouts, U.S Army, Far East. He was posted in Fort Mckinley before the Japanese invaded the Philippines. He endured the Bataan Death Match. My distant uncle too was beheaded by the Japanese for refusing to bow.
@apacogon And to be honest, the other asian influences were ok, because it's something our ancestors chose to use, and at the same time those influences enriched the culture, and what I mean by that is adding to the beauty of it without replacing any of our own culture. Whereas Spanish and American influences destroyed a lot of the original culture, plus a lot of it just looks like it was forced in there... If you think about it, the heavy spanish/tagalog mix sounds mucked up, unorganized...
if its so-called "asian influences" its okey but if its western because its supposedly "colonial" its evil. The pre-hispanic peoples of the "Philippines" chose their Spanish sovereign because their rulers were equally tyrants and even worse. Read Rizal your Tagalog hero to validate what I said. Your "Asians" have adapted western methods for centuries and they worked. Shove your colonial mentality crap! Mabuhi ang Bisaya!
@Spearman36 LOL false information, all of his readings pretty much critisize the catholic church in his day. Its funny how I can already tell you are making excuses because you didn't even point out the fact that the last lakan dula actually helped spain, but was used, no tyrant there. However, the other kingdoms, fought with the last line, but was overwhelmed because the other kingdoms and empires were not unified. I don't have to validate anything to you, it's written history.
@Spearman36 so go shove your asian-hating spain-loving mentality up your ass because our ancestors were brainwashed, regardless a good number of them also realized they were being used as instruments, so they fought, not everyone just openly accepted it, are you that stupid to believe that? That you want to insult your ancestors by calling them low-willed? Hah! You should see how much the Bisaya and Mindanao region "accepted" this, they did not, they also fought with their last breath.
I never once mentioned my pre-hispanics were "low willed". What made you think that? Spanish formed alliances rather than engaged in war most of the time. Many pre-hispanic nations did not resist the Spanish at all. In fact, Spanish troops were not significantly numerically that Spain relied on Tagalogs and Kapampangans to man their ships, forts and conquer territories. Pre-hispanic Visayans also served the Spanish King because it probably served our interests at that time.
@Spearman36 Where are you getting your sources from? Much of the kingdoms in luzon, even some from the lakan dula fought the spanish. If we were so easily to accept them, then why the several hundred rebellions? Most notably the Tondo Conspiracy, which we allied ourselves with many Japanese and south east asians with the royal families of the several kingdoms of luzon.
@ThtOnePinoy There were numerous rebellions after they accepted Spain because they were heavily taxed rather than elevated. Many of these "rebellions" were equally of banditry. Others had been legitimate reaction from not being able to redress grievances like the Cavite Mutiny. If you've read Rizal on his essay A Century he mentioned that the thanks they got from Spain for serving her faithfully was to be treated as second class Spanish subjects.
@Spearman36 Again, maynila was counted as under occupation and the rulers of the kingdom of maynila fought against spain, and after legazpi died of heart failure(IRONICALLY he died a bankrupt and unhappy man), even after the countless uprisings they were still counted as being loyal to spain, they only ever labeled maynila as such for the citizens, but the more prominent and people who stand from the crowd, took up arms.
@Spearman36 Also, it was not just for mere taxes, but they were killing people and became very oppresive so fast, like for example, many of the chinese citizens I think in maynila rebelled, why? Because, I will tell you, recorded in the Ming-shi Lu was what this atrocity was named as "The Luzon Tragedy". Where it was recorded that at least 30,000 chinese merchants were slaughtered in maynila, many chinese officials and civilian were killed without authority.
@ThtOnePinoy The unconverted chinese were viewed suspiciously as secret invaders. The tones of Limahong and Hideyoshi giving ultimatum to Manila that the Philippines was theirs made matters worse. Those who did the actual killing to suppressed the chinese rebellion were the native mob led by Spaniards. In fact, it was Spanish presence and mexican silver which brought the chinese there. Initially they were encouraged to come as long as they converted. Those who didnt stayed outside the walls.
@Spearman36 Actually, the chinese were already there long before the spanish were there, remember the Kingdom of Tondo and the Ming Dynasty established diplomatic ties. Regardless, you cannot justify this mass killing, it is an atrocity.
@ThtOnePinoy The chinese didnt stay permanently and left as soon as transactions were completed accdg to Chajukua. The very people who applauded (in a manner of speaking) the arrival of Miguel Lopez de Legazpi were the chinese traders in their junks off the ramparts called "Maynilad", ruled by a Brunei royalty and relative of Lakan Dula of Tondo, Rajah Sulayman. The chinese complained the Maynilad ruler imposed a high tribute before they can trade. Read Miguel Lopez de Legazpi.
@Spearman36 So they all just decided to leave? In spite of the 30,000 others chinese who were there? Transactions being completed? Dude, I'm sorry, but I am having a hard time adding that up, it does not coincide with the other facts we made a strong connection. Transactions were never ended, it's been a long trade, there was no point a to point b thing in the trade. I think you are talking about Chao Ju Kua, who's birth from what I am looking at is long before these events.
Yes, the chinese left. that was the pattern. There was no physical evidence that they did stay such as stone foundations, pottery, copper coins, remnants of chinese pagodas and skeletons of the dead. The only presence they had was dated during the Spanish period but not before.
@Spearman36 LOL alright so your just going to deny everything that the boxer codex mentions of many chinese prescence and even influence during that time. LOL there was infact many pottery that came from them, jeeze dude your asking me to widen my horizon, when infact you are the one who is very closed-minded on this issue. Ask yourself this, why is there so many interracial filipino-chinese? Why is there still many chinese even to date in the Philippines?
@ThtOnePinoy You offered no proof that chinese settlements were in the Philippines before the Spanish. Many artifacts unearthed were dated during the Spanish period. There were native Malay and chinese mix in the official Spanish census of 1870 numbered at 300,000 from a population of near 4,000,000 with Spaniard/Spaniard related ethnic groups about 24,000. But this didnt mean these malay chinese hybrids were descendants of chinese colonizers before the spaniard showed up.
@Spearman36 Not Chinese settlements bolang... Unless you refer to Ma-it, which is the original Mindoro, and which is a location I am not referring to. I am referring to the numerous chinese who lived in the kingdoms, and during the Mind dynasty relations with the Kingdom of Tondo/Luzon, many Chinese took an interest to live in the Kingdom of Tondo/Luzon.
@ThtOnePinoy What can I say other than to leave you to your fiction. It will be good material for a fantasy film one day. No offense but learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.
@Spearman36 It isn't fiction, look it up... Lol, so the several thousands of chinese present at the time over there is also fiction? But did you not just acknowledge they existed?So you are contradicting yourself, great job.
No offense,but you should do some research instead of denying everything,understand this information is pretty fresh, the laguna copperlate itself was merely recently found,and they didn't start denying all the kingdoms mentioned in it.That attitude will get you nowhere
@Spearman36 En honor a nuestro pasado cuando Las Filipinas y Mexico estaban unidos dentro de un mismo imperio, trabajemos juntos para el bienestar de nuestras bellas naciones. GLORIA SEA A LAS FILIPINAS Y MEXICO!
@03Terrestre Claro. Mexico tambien contribuyo a formar la cultura mezcla del Filipinas. Por ejemplo al igual de custombre mexicano muchos filipinos creen que los espiritus de los muertos regresan a la tierra el dos de noviembre para visitar a los vivos. Muchas personas van al cemeterio en el Dia de los muertos, y mucha mas pasan la noche alli. Es custombre ofrecer oraciones, y celebrar el Dia de los muertos con una fiesta.
@Spearman36 Cierto, es una tradicion en especial entre filipinos y mexicanos. Se llevan flores, y comida para asi compartir un momento con nuestros antepasados.
@Spearman36 and yeah, it also says he was born in in 1170, which is a couple hundred years before 1373 AD, the date of a written record of a description of an envoy from the kingdom of Tondo, which the chinese referred to as not mere chieftains, but kings. I don't think much relations were with the chinese until much after Chao Ju Kua's time.
@ThtOnePinoy The pre-hispanic peoples dealt with all kinds of people and not only the chinese but all over Southeast Asia. Chieftains, headman or kings are mere semantics using the language at that time. It all meant one thing: leader of a people. Dont exaggerate about kingship or state without any proof. There are all kinds of societies during the pre-hispanic era. The chinese accepted tributes from foreign people not because they were equals but as subjects in their minds.
@Spearman36 And no shit I know they dealt with all kinds of people in Asia, did I not just explain the importance the Kingdoms had with the Japanese? Did I also not explain Brunei's involvement in the Tondo Conspiracy? Alright, you should know why these people got involved, many reasons being the connections, and several of those connections have to do with trade, it struck everyone in Asia a huge fucking loss when the kingdoms fell. Don't twist my words, I FUCKING hate that.
@Spearman36 And no shit we dealt with the rest of Asia, did I not just explain our importance and several key connections with the Japanese? Did I also not explain our relations with Brunei as well? Ask yourself, why did they too participate in the Tondo Conspiracy? Because when the kingdoms fell, it struck almost everyone in Asia as a serious fucking loss, you really need to quit twisting my words I FUCKING hate that, if you're going to interpret me wrong, at least learn to correct yourself
@ThtOnePinoy You still dont get it. All trade is important to any nation. The "philippines" is not the center of the universe even then. It was just one of the many. When kingdoms fall other take their place. I never twisted your words. I dont have to.
@Spearman36 And also, you fucking fail again -_- read over before you make more mistakes in you interpretations, I SAID their trade was very important and prominent in Asia, was it so important that the whole of Asia would collapse if the kingdoms in the Philippines before were to? Of course not, but a serious loss is a serious fucking loss. Like I said, ask yourself why did several people from Brunei and Japan also participated in the Tondo Conspiracy? Jeeze your really not that bright...
@Spearman36 And you also want to know what I think? Why in the hell is there a statue of Legazpi, but there are barely any statues for the actual heroes, we seem to forget who wronged us and who tried to fight for our freedom, everyone who rebelled in the 100+ rebellions should be given recognition instead of Legazpi. Even you have to agree giving tribute to your enemies instead of to the actual heroes is moronic to say the least. There is a long list, and instead of them, it's legazpi huh?
@ThtOnePinoy The ever loyal royal city of Manila was not the rampart of Maynilad. They are two different cities with different backdrops in time and events. It may be located upon the same spot but Legazpi founded the city for the Spanish. So historically from that time set it makes sense to put up his statute. For Maynilad as the pre-hispanic people knew it by then was gone.
@Spearman36 Oh to be honest he didn't really "found" anything, like you said it is on the same spot, whatever he founded was really only symbollic, it still has the roots of Maynila, there were still revolts, the man died a poor, bankrupt and unhappy man, if it doesn't take karma to show these people that he's not really that great of a guy and that other people should've been given recognition instead, I don't know what could've then. Even his grandson wanted to reverse whatever he did, LOL xD
@ThtOnePinoy You are so hung up with the Chinese. They were not the only people the pre-hispanic peoples have had contact. You really should expand your horizon. You dont even understand the context on what "diplomatic relations" meant to the chinese at that time. It was a relationship not based on equality but arrogance. My ancestors the Visayans raided them often. Maybe you imagined pampanga was a province of the Ming empire. But there is no real proof that they were colonized by China ever.
@Spearman36 Ok, lol it only sounds like I am hung up with the chinese because you have heard of a lot of weird information, which either way they don't add up with each other, plus it seems like you are just denying what has been found. There has been no deny of all the facts I have said, most historians know about it and accept it, talk to Mike Pangilinan himself. I am not really hung up with the chinese, I just happen to keep repeating my self, it is YOU that is hung up with the spanish
@Spearman36 and at least you know about Hideyoshi's involvement, so I give you props, not many people even knew he had connections to the kingdoms, if you don't already know, he wasn't directly or at all claiming maynila as his, he did send an ultimatum to the spaniards over there, it was either to leave maynila, or face full Japanese invasion, and why? Because many of the natives and royal families of the kingdoms had connections and begged for his help, and like I said, big loss for Japanese
@Spearman36 but also like I said, the chinese had already been there long before the spanish even knew the archipelago itself existed, when the rise of the Ming dynasty happened, that was when we started seeing many chinese, and about our diplomatic ties, well they were so important, that even when they enforced the Hai Jin, in which they closed martime trade, they still continued to trade with us. Also, like I said, it's an atrocity regardless, I see no point in even trying to justify it.
@Spearman36 Most fled to what is known now as Guagua(the name before was Wawa, or HuaHua 偎岸) the killings without authority happened also in Luzon apparently, describing the murderer as a barbaric chieftain, apparently also a spaniard, of luzon. Ok, so some would be treated as second class not even citizens, but spanish subjects? Who the fuck would want to live like that? Lol, well I guess they did fare better than the several thousand chinese who got brutally murdered...
@ThtOnePinoy I dont know what you are talking about here. But Spain at that time was a strict Monarchy and not a Republic which would mean the inhabitants were not citizens but royal subjects.
@Spearman36 There is too much evidence to point out the fact that the majority of our ancestors wanted nothing to do with the spanish, but some were brainwashed, and then some also even allied themselves with them. Think about this, why would you, being very important in the trades of Asia, want to give all that up and accept the rule of a foreign invader which you probably know almost nothing about who would lock your relations with your fellow asians for a good time? Doesnt add up.
@ThtOnePinoy How can "our ancestors" wanted nothing to do with the Spanish when the islands became a Spanish overseas territory? Implicit in any conquest through warfare, economic means, or dilomacy is the facet of passive acceptance of the conqueror sooner or later. You really should diversify your reading. The pre-hispanic nations traded with anybody. Why should other "Asian" rulers really care if the Spanish took over when the benefits of trade was unchanged and even better to them.
@Spearman36 Hmm, you apparently have no idea how upsetting it was for the Japanese when Luzon was occupied, because it delt a serious blow to their trade, they lost quite a lot. Why do you think a lot of them, especially their merchants, took part in the conspiracy? Lol I don't think you know much about your people before spain. A lot of what you say is based on opinion, especially the last part of what you said "why should our asian neighbors care". Even more evidence of your ineptness.
@Spearman36 Hmm, allow me to correct myself, they perhaps wanted trade, but anything that related to occupation I doubt many of our ancestors were for that. What you really should do is understand the difference between acceptance, and being forced into something.
@Spearman36 Ah I have also forgot to mention, you know who also participated in the Tondo conspiracy? Even the great grandson of Legazpi himself, how ironic.Oh, and they also executed the crown prince of Tondo, Magat Salamat who I think was a mere child if im not mistaken,yes he was, this is what I was explaining to Joey a while ago. It was not just the natives who disliked the thought of spain colonization,the Japanese and Brunei were even looking out for us and participated in the conspiracy
I'm Spaniard. I salute with respect to our asian brothers. United States killed almost a million of Filipinos in a cruel imperialist war, the fist of a long series...
bullshit videos.. filipinos of any color do have spanish descent simply because wfilipinos are mixed with spain..haha unlike china japsnese china was slave by white people
to all chinkesejapsnese who made this videos stop makin videos bout filipino history you make videos bout your own country..you giving misconception bout filipinos..the chinkesejapsnese was genocide by many race all white race,,in filipinos never had this problems spain teach filipinos to speak spanish and learn the culture os spain
@MegaVivian11 the spanish didnt really taught the filipino how to speak spanish. only a handful know how to speak. why dont you try to speak with the filipinos themselves. even though some of the filipino words are spanish, i wouldn't say say that spain taught them spanish or even learn the spanish culture. the spanish wants to be exclusive just like most white race wants, their selfish in some ways..
The Philippines as such did not existed until Spain arrived. Even the name is to honor a Spanish king. The Philippines is a construction as any modern nation. Even Spain is a construction. Before Spain there were an archipielago. Lots of islands with different governments, not a nation. Even the name you call yourselves, Filipinos, is a Spanish name.
@tierraboricua yeah, but even spain was not spain. it was a group of kingdom. even the name, spanish call themselves isn't spanish it was a mixture of barbaric germans (as the roman called it) and roman language. i would say that all of the modern nation now is a mixture of previous occupational power. just as romans and babarians(when the roman empire is in pieces) occupied and live the land of spain. that's why we got spain because of these two.
@tierraboricua and thats why we got the philippines, created by the native population and influence by spanish, american, chinese, arabic, and malayan culture.
@tierraboricua what spaniards brought in the phil and the whole world are chaos..they infiltrate a country in order to spread there power not help bulit it...filipinos before are not send to proper education,they only use for force labor,the structure,the culture,attitude that we inherit from spanish are delima,if so i prepare to be under the english.english built good governace to the enveaded country now a days,i want to cut my veins and drain away the spanish blood within it
@tierraboricua is right there was no country called Philippines yet until the Spanish arrived. Spain, Portugal, England, France and Netherlands formed mostly the south east asian countries' modern nations. It's important to mention MODERN coz there were already kingdoms ruled by Muslims/Hindus which preceded the western colonizers.
apprec8 u for uploading dis vid.. anyway, u might want to rephrase ur comment "Philippines as such did not existed until Spain arrived". YOU ARE MISTAKEN MY BROTHER. The spaniards just liberally gave the name... as if just to mark it and announce to the whole world that Philippines is now part of their territory & back off. that's all. There WAS already EXISTING CULTURE WAY BEFORE SPANIARDS ARRIVED. The gentle MALAY RACE is present.
@tierraboricua apprec8 u for uploading dis vid.. anyway, u might want to rephrase ur comment "Philippines as such did not existed until Spain arrived". YOU ARE MISTAKEN MY BROTHER. The spaniards just liberally gave the name... as if just to mark it and announce to the whole world that Philippines is now part of their territory & back off. that's all. There WAS already EXISTING CULTURE WAY BEFORE SPANIARDS ARRIVED. The gentle MALAY RACE is present.
@tierraboricua no, we existed long before the spanish came and we were trading with china.... however we were not called filipinos back then cuz as you said the spanish named us, but theyr just calling us names, they did not make us or own us.... no one does
@rbatheNORSEMAN hhaahaha, thats whats funny about the filipino's it is diverse. just as united states of america is. USA citizens are different kinds of people from different parts of the world.
@rbatheNORSEMAN where not talking about color.. were talking about nationality; what country did you come from... even the whites are made up of jewish, polish, russian, english, scottish, french
@zsuxckzs Right. I'm aware of that. I'm Norwegian/German/English/Irish. But my nationality is American. But that's not the point.. The point is, we're the majority in America and I believe even in Canada.
@zsuxckzs what country did your ancestor came from? what im saying is its not about color, im just saying what part of the world, did the people of the philippines and US came from.
@valcan321 its easy to distort history to mirror your own personal views but the fact is spain rule philippines for hundreds of year giving no power to the philippines people infact they kill jose rizal for talking about freedom to rule . america came to phil and made promise to give philippines power and they did it was only interupted by world war 2 but america kept it promise . and we still trying to help phil in spite of its own foolish decisions , giving money ,how much did spain give?
@saint27573 i would say thats true but you ahve some infractions just as i may have infractions in giving this comment. dewey didn't kept his promise that he will support the filipinos, instead he choose to be greedy and take the islands for america. in fact most americans in that time look down at the filipinos. they should have given them the right to rule. why? because it was a complete 180 degree turn from the democratic values of USA. pls study your US history.
@valcan321 i got a question for you since you think philippines was better under spanish rule answer this for me . 2010 the united state give 2.4 billions dollars to philippines to help their economy while our own country is in debt . How much money did spain give philippines ? answer spain give no money to philippines . spain ruled philippines for hundreds of year but give the philippines how much power to rule their self ? answer none they kept power over phil. but america give power back.!!!
@saint27573 you know why america still gives money to other countries. the answer is: to show that america is still have its influence. to show that they are still strong even in times of recession. i would say its a good thing they help but there are also other interest that america wants to keep.
valcan321 dont you ever disrespect the united states with your mixed view our country sacrificed thousands of lives to set people in europe free we spent countless moneys and even our enemies were better off after we won dont forget we were the only super power in the world we could have taken over everything and no one could have stopped us but we didnt we rebuilt countries that attacked us . so shut up you moron !
the fact is that each nation invades others and go to war only wanting there own best interest for power and wealth. the question shouldnt be whos to blame but rather when will the nations stop domanating each other again "for its own best interest- power and wealth" think about it. the answer might be never~
it was not america it was the usa
josejhc 5 days ago in playlist More videos from tierraboricua
Using church bells as attack singles, hiding behind their own women and children. Hoping the Americans would be to civilized to shot for fear of hitting non combative. Guessed wronged I'd say. Why are people shocked when brutal guerillas war tactics prod a standing army to reply in the same manor.
lastchip 2 weeks ago
@lastchip - They Filipinos attacked heavily armed SOLDIERS that had invaded their country using machetes. That is incredible bravery against a brutal invading army. They were not hiding behinds women and children they attacked an army base without even having guns.
The Americans responded by killing unarmed women and children and destroying the entire Island.
How sick you must be to not see what the U.S. was doing was wrong.
WillShakespeare2007 1 week ago
@lastchip we fought so long to acheive independence and you americans just stole it! i'm not a magnanimous person and i want to avenge the death of hundreds of thousands of filipinos during the war.
SuperSelwyn1 10 hours ago
ang nagpapahirap sa atin ngaun ay mga intsik mga amerikano at mga kurakot na mga pilipinong nasa gobyerno..pagaralan nyo mabuti ang kasaysayan at makikita nyo na ang mga kastila ang humubog sa atin upang maging isang bansa tayo..oo may pangaabuso mula sa iilang kastila pero mas malaking kabutihan at malaking kaunlaran ang naibigay sa atin ng mga kastila...ang maging kristiyano lang ay napakalaking kayamanan na pamana sa atin ng kastila yan..
andrewoisky 2 weeks ago
Death to American Imperialists! I pray that all the US soldiers and commanders who killed Filipino civillians during the Philippine-American War are in hell right now. I admire the Filipinos who selflessly defended the country against the Americans. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
SuperSelwyn1 1 month ago
fuckin american imperialists. the americans themselves were victims of imperialism by the british. they were also a colony back then. how dare they become imperialists. death to imperialism!
SuperSelwyn1 1 month ago
@SuperSelwyn1 plz say the usa and not the americans?
josejhc 5 days ago in playlist More videos from tierraboricua
so why isnt it a USA country?
nfltank55 1 month ago
haha william taft picture...hilarious.
nfltank55 1 month ago
finally I know the name of that cute little buffalo song
SunnySide431 2 months ago
Thanks for uploading this.I have a history test in about 15 minutes and I was able to watch this right b4 a test so I THANK U!
SteamEqualsFAIL 3 months ago
Pero no fue así. En el caso de Puerto Rico, España no defendió ni la autonomía que nos había dado que incluía nuestra propia moneda ni la ciudadanía española que teníamos.
tierraboricua 4 months ago
de todas maneras, si España hubiera sido más inteligente, habría dado la independencia a Filipinas, Cuba y Puerto Rico y muchísimas vidas se habrían salvado. Es una pena que España no haya sido un país más inteligente.
saludos desde Madrid
madridexiste 4 months ago
im glad we pinoys kick them fucking white boys out ... all they do was teaching us english and taking away our culture.... like they did to the blacks..... and than they bomb with a atomic bomb over japan and just killed civil and after that they are making human rights so we cant take revenge on them ...
TheYellowpage1 4 months ago
i fucking hate whites, they never apologised for their wrong doings, spain and america are all the same..america was the worst, because they exterminated 1/6 of the population..at least the japs apologised,, i pray for the downfall of these white demons..
halashet 5 months ago
@halashet You're fucking stupid. What about Asian crimes? I guess they get a free pass?
AmzitheSoldier 1 month ago
@AmzitheSoldier apologies made the difference, you white people cant do that because most of you think killing is ok as long as it is done to non whites,.the worse thing is that white people here in the philippines tried to cover their crimes up and create their own version of history which will favor them, i myself never knew of the philippine massacre until when i was in college..lesson here, white folks can't be trusted, you might end up dead..
halashet 1 month ago
@halashet What? Asians haven't apologized for enslaving Africans at the same time as Whites, meanwhile only whites are blamed for slavery. Or murdering 10's of Millions of other people. You should be thankful we rescued you lot from the Japanese ;]
AmzitheSoldier 1 month ago
@AmzitheSoldier japan attacked us because we were the bastion of america in asia pacific, but even so the death toll from the japanese was less than the genocide your people committed and hid,.and they already apologised and compensated for what they did, search it in you tube, you can find the apology speech of the japanese ambassador in the philippines. i dont really expect any apologies from the americans but at least don't deny what you did, innocent lives were lost by the millions you know.
halashet 1 month ago
They made a new movie about this part of the Philippine history..Its Titled "Amigo"
rcr3158 6 months ago
Los Anglos son propensos a cometer actos de genocidio. Lo han repetido a travez de la historia. Con el mundo hispano no han podido aunque se les ha ocurrido. Los hemos frenado en seco.
03Terrestre 7 months ago
@03Terrestre estoy de acuerdo con tu comentario
madridexiste 4 months ago
@madridexiste Seguro, es la verdad, el mundo hispano es grandisimo y sigue creciendo inclusive mas rapido que los anglos en Estados Unidos mismo.
03Terrestre 4 months ago
ha hitler
jg26phi 8 months ago
Cierto, es una tradicion celebrada en especial por los filipinos y mexicanos. Se acostumbra llevar flores y comida para pasar un tiempo a lado de sus seres queridos que ya han muerto. Tambien se hacen recordatorios en honor a los muertos, en el mismo hogar.
03Terrestre 9 months ago
Spearman and Pinoy, From the north Chinese and Japanese invaded and traded with the pre-Spanish Philippines. Malays from the south brought Arab and Indian culture to the southern Philippines. Each Island had thier own language and kingdoms but outside influences from foreign cultures helped create the Philippines. The division exist today in the USA with Visayans, Tagalogs, and Illocanos arguing over who should govern the local American/Filipino club. LOL. Like my Mom said' a "Flip is a Flip"
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon Yes. Chinese and Japanese corsairs occasionally ended up on certain islands of Luzon along with traders. I dont think they settled though and established "kingdoms" before the arrival of the spanish. We had Limahong in Pangasinan for that when Spain was already established. But they werent numerous compared to Spanish period. The Philippines is 7, 100 islands. One such place that China distinctly influenced the native population was the island of Mindoro if I remember it correctly.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Holy shit you are misinterpreting me so much. I did not say China nor Japan made kingdoms in the Philippines. The various kingdoms in Luzon were set up either locally or even one was set up as a Brunei satellite. However the Kingdom of Tondo's origins remains a mystery, what is known since you mention Japan is that Tondo is recorded to be older than Tokyo, according to the Laguna Copperlate, which is dated to be from 900 AD.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Oh and one more thing I forgot to point out, the Chinese and Japanese weren't going to luzon just occasionally, there was many trade between the 3, and even diplomatic purposes perhaps because like I keep pointing out, the Ming dynasty established diplomatic relations with the Kingdom of Tondo.Regardless, like I said there was many Chinese and even Japanese who settled and visited in the kingdoms, not actually making settlements.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@apacogon I don't fight with Bisayan, I have many Bisayan friends, and I am Kapampangan, not Tagalog :P I am just showing a fellow Filipino our great history, hmm I know of chinese invasions, but am not familiar with Japanese invasions during that time, please share.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy You didn't fight with with the Visayans, Tagalogs, Pangasians? Me niether..The pre-Spanish Filipinos were terraritorial and warlike with Chiefs and Tatu's who defended thier islands kingdoms. There was trade, and pirates both from the north and south. The Filipinos once asked the Japanese to help deport (murder) 40,000 Chinese, and I'm sure individual Japanese warlords tried to occupy Norther Luzon. Remember the Filipinos killed Magellan...
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon Everyone in Luzon I don't fight with and consider as one of my own, and Bisayans, and even anyone in Mindanao I consider bretheren just the same too. Hmm be careful of what you call chiefs, only the indigenous were chiefs, the kingdoms had Sultanate, rajahnate apparently, and Lakans(Lakanate isn't a real term but hey, Lakan was a title). Hmm where did you find this where they actually asked the Japanese to murder that much chinese?
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Do you know that the word "Pinoy" is an insult to most native born Filipinos living in the P.I.?? It refers to the American song "The monkeys on Zamboanga have no tails" The Filipino's who migrated to the U.,S. call themselves 'Pinoy's" and often mocked the white Americans by calling each other 'Boy". So you sir must live in the U.S. The word king is the same as a chief, datu, sultan, president, or any other word you choose. The history of my ancestors is on line. STUDY!!!
apacogon 8 months ago
@apacogon Indeed, I do live in the U.S., I am one of the probably few fil-am who actually gives a shit about their culture. King is not necessarily the same as chief, and you forgot lakan, the title same as lakan dula, as well as rajah. I don't need to study, I guarantee I know a lot more about my ancestors, and they were not mere chiefs, but kings. The people of Lakan Dula.
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy As an American I refer to a leader running around in feathers and spears as a Chief. You sound like you would have the P.I. return to it's Islamic past and forget about the Spainish and American past. That will never happen, you cannot change 400 years of outside influence. There are no ancient great stone structures in the P.I. as in Thailand and Cambodia. What was the P.I. before your beloved Datus and Rajahs appeared? They were like some of todays Borneo residents.
apacogon 8 months ago
@apacogon Not all of our ancestors were muslim you fool, and there are no records that indicate all of them were running around in feathers and spears, some were actually sophisticated and more advanced, ever read the boxer codex? Those aren't like indians, if the kingdom of tondo was the most successful and important in trade in Asia at that time, why would they be tribal? Because they weren't, so wasn't the rest of the kingdoms in luzon at that time, do some research dude, seriously...
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Why are you stuck on my use of the word "Chief"? Was the house of Lakan Dula the Kingdom of all the Islands? No! Before the Arab/Indo, Japanese/Chinese, Spanish/American influence the Filipinos were a conglomeration of different tribes (Indios) and languages. They did not build stone temples they built long houses like the Samoan's Hawaiian's, Mori's, Chammoran's and other Pacific Islanders. They were war like and raided each others lands and killing each other.
apacogon 8 months ago
@apacogon Im not just stuck on your use of chief, it is also because you carelessly label our ancestors as something else, and then try to apply that to everything. No shit, and it wasn't just the pacific islanders who had that kind of architecture, it was with almost every other ethnics who started out as indigenous before, but even long before we started building anything, we were cave dwellers during the tabon man's time.
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@apacogon Regardless, im not talking about my older ancestors, im talking about my other more later ancestors, and they were more advanced obviously since then, and so what if his kingdom didn't apply to all of the islands? No one else did, hence the reason I specifically was talking about Luzon, because pretty much that whole area was covered by different kingdoms. None of them were chiefs, go read the Ming-Shi-Lu(chinese ming dynasty records) and boxer codex if you think im lying.
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy How do know if these "ming records" or the "boxer codex" were talking about Luzon? Many of the chinese documents were archaic that up to now not one of them had been substantiated. Much less verified in authenticity or translated properly. Youre fond of name dropping without offering any proof.
Spearman36 8 months ago
@Spearman36 lol, why not you take your dipshit self and go read Mike Pangilinan's findings? He's a legitimate researcher from U.P. Diliman. I sent you the links already, perhaps you were too lazy to move the mouse? Fucking crab-mentalized shit.
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Mike Pangilinan from U. P Diliman, eh. What are his works dipshit. He is not the final word. I've read a lot of interesting assumptions from 'researchers'. But I dont know what links you sent because I received none of it.
Spearman36 8 months ago
@Spearman36 He's a much more credible researcher than most, how do you not know his work? Even some of my friends who don't know shit about this topic or even care know about him.
ThtOnePinoy 7 months ago
@apacogon and like I just said, not all of us were muslims, there were buddhists too as well, and even more commonly our ancient paganism, or more specifically, our polytheistic religions. Lol and you should already know what happened to the ancient kingdoms, colonization, re-dividing by the americans, natural disasters, the old kingdom of Tondo has been swept away by a volcano, the govt. does not give effort to try to find out more about their ancestors...
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@apacogon and sorry but you need to do more research, just for the fact you are thinking that all of our ancestors were tribes is an insult, especially Lakan Dula was not referred as a chief by the chinese, nor the Spanish, why else did the spaniards call it "house of Lakan Dula"? Royalty, we weren't monkeys running around with no pants if that's what you were thinking, a lot of them, and like I said sultanate in Mindanao were civilized, as in, not tribal.
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@apacogon did you also know the word "filipino" is an insult as well? It means your forever the subject of king philipp, a foreigner, a tyrant, and filipino originally meant only the spaniards living in the philippines, so even more of an insult. As of now, we have no original name, other than our provincial or ethnic names, such as Illokano, kapampangan, bisayan, maguindanaoan, maranaoan.
ThtOnePinoy 8 months ago
@apacogon Spain helped create borders, however take a look at Africa where their borders were also made for them however without even their participation or knowledge of it, done by Europeans, and take a look at them now. They didn't really help as much as they gave an opportunity of unifiying the whole Archipelago(fucking up the original names of places while they were at it -_-) however geographically we are unified, but mentally hmm, you should ask Spearman's opinion of the Tagalogs.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy The newly created of borders in Eastern Europe were created by themselves. The borders in Africa were done by the U.N. because these people killed each other by the millions. Do you agree that small countries cannot compete in the world markets? Filipinos are Malay shouldn't they be part of Malayasia? The tiny nations of Central America should unite into a Hispanic nation. A united Africa, and South America would be powerful..Nationalism, religion and language keep them apart
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon The borders were done long before U.N., the Europeans wanted to regulate and organize how the lands were to be divided for themselves, look up the Berlin conference. And no, I do not agree, small countries if you mean by actual land size they can compete in the market, just take a look at Japan, no bigger than the U.S., or what about Korea? Their doing a pretty good job due to their "Miracle on the Han river"... I wish us filipinos had our miracle on the han river...
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@apacogon, thanks, I'll buy the book =)
larainne69 9 months ago
Read this book “Manila men in the new world” you'll find some Mexicans their roots can be traced from the Philippines vice versa and Filipinos inherited some of Mexicans culture and tradition due to Galleon trade...Tatay which is dad in Filipino language for example is actually Aztecs (Nahuatl language)(amazon.com/dp/9715425291/ref=nosim?tag=idigita-20&linkCode=sb1&camp=212353&creative=380549)
larainne69 9 months ago
@larainne69 Thanks! Another good book is "FILIPINOS: forgotten asian Americans" a history from 1763-1963. Due to the harsh treatment by the Spanish navy many Filipinos jumped ship in Mexico and blended into Mexican society. In America 300 Filipinos were delivered by the Spanish to French New Orleans Louisana in 1763, they taught the locals how to bulid house's on stilts and how to dry and shell shrimp for the world markets. They also blended into American life but never forgot who they were!!
apacogon 9 months ago
"A good deal of work suffers from failure to take evidence seriously, or to consider basic moral truisms (the most obvious of which is that the standards we apply to others we must also apply to ourselves)." - Noam Chomsky, Review of International Studies (2003), 29, p. 605.
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"A good deal of work suffers from failure to take evidence seriously, or to consider basic moral truisms (the most obvious of which is that the standards we apply to others we must also apply to ourselves)." - Noam Chomsky, Review of International Studies (2003), 29, p. 605.
xpressivist 9 months ago
and American atrocities against the Philippines did not end there, dont forget that Ferdinand Marcos was a friend of Ronald Reagan and when he lost agaist Corazon, he went into "exile" in Hawaii.
InvictusSolDeus 9 months ago
the Balangina bell up to now is with the US notwithstanding the appeal of the filipino nation to get what is rightfully theirs.
tumultous70s 10 months ago
americans together with their allies are the real perpetrator of state sponsored oppression and terrorism. they are acting like they own the entire planet and do what pleases them regardless if they have to commit genocide just to impose their will. but im not worried at all...justice and vengence will be on the next life and we will be the one who will laugh in the end when we see all of you burn in hell....
tumultous70s 10 months ago
is there a higher quality version of these videos? i'd like to show this to my class but when i maximized it, the video was too pixelated and could not be watched. thank you very much for this
chinnico9496 10 months ago
Gracias por compartir esto. Saludos desde las Filipinas.
benjioben 10 months ago
Filipinos are actually Malays by descend, Tagalog is another form of Bahasa Melayu, but most Filipinos would consider themselves "half-spanish" or half something else, they would rather consider themselves offspring of spanish whores than their true race Malays
zayyad31 11 months ago
I never said that there was not a culture before the Spaniards. Occidental states as we know them are an European construction. One of such States is the Philippines. Even culture evolves. You cannot rewind history for good or bad. The way the different groups of the diverse islands that compose the modern and occidental Philippine state was not what is today. Even the language . Tagalo as you know now is a construction. Even the other natives languages are such.
tierraboricua 11 months ago
@tierraboricua I'm not rewinding hx for any good nor bad view. I was correcting u for saying Philippines didn't existed. Culture IS people. D'you know ALIBATA? The authentic ALPHABET of Filipinos before Spain arrived. It is alive up to this day. What do you know bout Tagalog? Pretty much every language is "a construction", Y? Language is very diverse and is constantly evolving. Another, D'you know Behasa Melayu? It's considered 2 be the root of our language & definitely not from the West.
zenon2032 11 months ago
@zenon2032 thks for your comments, but to add that ALIBATA is actually Arabic alphabet for Alif, Ba, Ta, which is ABC. its so cause Philipines were actually Muslims, religion brought from Malacca Sultanate when Hang Tuah, the Malacca Admiral conquer southern philipines, the spanish explorer Magellen came n invade Philippines at the same time forcibly covert the ppl to christianity, choice of "Either u live by the cross or Die by the cross".
zayyad31 11 months ago
@tierraboricua By our language as "construction" u mean what?? Tagalog & our other native dialects sprouts mainly on Behasa Melayu.. which is linked to Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei..etc. --Malayan heritage. not Espanyol..... Anyway, it's waaay off topic now to this vid. Nice docu! Thanx for posting. It's entertaining to read points of view of other nationalities. It's good. ^^
zenon2032 11 months ago
@tierraboricua Good ending. I'am a half Illocano half German/ American. We were never taught much about the Phillippine/American war except that we won. Maybe if we were taught the truth Viet Nam would not of happened. After 333 years of Spanish rule I wonder how many Filipino's died during it's own Catholic inquistion? The Filipino's want to reconnect with thier Spainish roots by making the Spainish language mandatory in schools. Why? It is not to the countrys enonomic advantage to do so
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon Not every filipino wants to, their are 2 sides, one that you've already explained, and the other side are the much more educated who want to reconnect with the original culture, what I mean by educated is actual filipino researcers prefer this, filipino who study beyond spanish colonization prefer this, etc. And so far, as the youth expand, they learn about their past and want to revive it(the original of course). Indeed, it is not, Its merely extremist colonial mentality.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Thanks to the information age, I was able to connect to what the real Filipino was and is. My Fathers tribe the Illocano's have historical roots to the settlement of the Hawiian Islands. Illocano's have fought in America's war's from 1812 to present. The paumalinawen festival video from Loang depicts pure Filipino culture. However, because of the Chinese, Japanese, Muslims, Spanish, and American influences, the Filipino culture is the most unique in the world.
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon Hope you are not saying we are similar to pacific islanders now, because we are not :) plus not everyones filipino ancestors was a tribe, for example, my mother is kapampangan, which has historical roots of its own as being the descendant ethnic group of the luzon empire/kingdom of tondo, which was one of the oldest and important empires in asia due to it's sucess in trade and seemed to had been in a path of modernization of its own. Ancient kps has many contacts with China and Japan
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy In the Bishop museum in Honolulu Hawaii there is a display depicting Filipino culture. The automated lecture explains the similiarity of the Hawaiian and Filipino (Illocano) language. Illocano is listed in wikipedia as a Malayo / polynesian language. A pacific map shows the routes used by the ancients to navigate to Hawaii. From northern Luzon and south to New Guinea the ancients settled every pacific island and may have reached South America.
apacogon 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy I used the word tribe instead of dialects, What would you prefer? empire or kingdom. Sounds awfully European. The early Filipinos fiercely defended thier Island empires, thus a language conglomeration. In 1661 the Illocanos became the first tribe to rebel againist the Spainish rule. Don Almazon created the Kingdom of the Illoco's, and with the help of the Kapampangan's he was later excuted. In 1762 the Illocanos rebelled again it also ended in failure. Igorots pure Filipino's!!!
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon So it appears that calling the Empire of Japan, Dai Nippon Teikoku, or the several dynasties of Empire of China are all just european. No, kingdoms and empires aren't solely european, infact, the Kingdom of Tondo was one of the oldest empires in Asia, and the most important, it consisted of other kingdoms, the others which rebelled against spain, some kapampangan did side with spain, but all of the later kapampangans played a key role in the maharlikan conspiracy with the japanese.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy To side with the devil just because he is asian is pretty ignorant. To watch 26,000 Filipinos butchered in Camp O'Donnel (Pampangan) in just 3 months by the would be liberators should have changed any thought of conspiring with the Japanese. My uncle was beheaded in La Union in 1942 another uncle was in the 1st Bolo Div. USA and help capture Yamashita. So you know where my loyalty's are.
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon Well the funny thing is, no one is saying the devil is Asian, the Japanese I refer to is the Japanese from before, when the Japanese and the Filipino were pretty much best of friends during medieval times, obviously the ones who participated in WWII I do not refer to, people of a nation change sometimes. The Japanese from before is very different from the ones in WWII. Lol, another good example is you should see how dirty Americans were during the fil-am war.Thats imperialism for you
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy Sorry, I thought you were refering to the traitors of WWll who were promised the return Maharlikan indepedence. The fake film depicts the slaughter of of rebels. Most Filipinos died in concentration camps from disease and hunger. This was the first war in which American soldiers were tried for war crimes. The victories by the Visayans angered the American soldier who were not used to fighting sniper type jungle warfare but here is no excuse for killing children, ever!!!!
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon Yeah, I know, it's just horrible everything that happened in WWII... Everything, at that point, everyone seemed to turn into the most inhumane as possible... Especially the human experimentations, have you heard of unit 731?
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@apacogon Regardless, we had empires and kingdoms, and no those terms are not european, to think that is to be ignorant, asians had empires and kingdoms as well, such as even the majapahit kingdom. Do not be blindsighted because of a people who had a bad generation, it's like as if me saying I want to kill all spanish just because of what their ancestors did hundreds of years ago. No one wants that, that kind of hate is what started WWII in the first place.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy The generation of Japanese people that killed hundreds of thousands of Filipinos no longer exist!!! Thank you USA. I do not hate the Japanese people. I grew up with Japanese people who were born in American style concentration camps during WWll. True Americans do not hate anybody. Do you get to attend Mexican, Filipino, Portuguese, Spanish, German, Polish, Chinese, Arab and Japanese Obon festivals? We do, and with todays Japanese tragic losses we respect them even more.
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon Thank you dude, that is all I needed to know, because some, even Americans I see a lot that still have very strong anti-japanese sentiment :( they say many really disgusting things, especially now with the tsunami...
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy To side with the devil just because he is asian is pretty ignorant. To watch 26,000 Filipinos butchered in Camp O'Donnel (Pampangan) in just 3 months by the would be liberators should have changed any thought of conspiring with the Japanese. My uncle was beheaded in La Union in 1942 another uncle was in the 1st Bolo Div. USA and helped capture Yamashita. So you know where my loyalty's are.
apacogon 9 months ago
@apacogon
We share a similar family history . My paternal grandfather , A Filipino of Spaniard descent, who was a U.S citizen though born in the Visayas served as BN Sgt Major in the, Philippine Scouts, U.S Army, Far East. He was posted in Fort Mckinley before the Japanese invaded the Philippines. He endured the Bataan Death Match. My distant uncle too was beheaded by the Japanese for refusing to bow.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@apacogon And to be honest, the other asian influences were ok, because it's something our ancestors chose to use, and at the same time those influences enriched the culture, and what I mean by that is adding to the beauty of it without replacing any of our own culture. Whereas Spanish and American influences destroyed a lot of the original culture, plus a lot of it just looks like it was forced in there... If you think about it, the heavy spanish/tagalog mix sounds mucked up, unorganized...
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy
if its so-called "asian influences" its okey but if its western because its supposedly "colonial" its evil. The pre-hispanic peoples of the "Philippines" chose their Spanish sovereign because their rulers were equally tyrants and even worse. Read Rizal your Tagalog hero to validate what I said. Your "Asians" have adapted western methods for centuries and they worked. Shove your colonial mentality crap! Mabuhi ang Bisaya!
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 LOL false information, all of his readings pretty much critisize the catholic church in his day. Its funny how I can already tell you are making excuses because you didn't even point out the fact that the last lakan dula actually helped spain, but was used, no tyrant there. However, the other kingdoms, fought with the last line, but was overwhelmed because the other kingdoms and empires were not unified. I don't have to validate anything to you, it's written history.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 so go shove your asian-hating spain-loving mentality up your ass because our ancestors were brainwashed, regardless a good number of them also realized they were being used as instruments, so they fought, not everyone just openly accepted it, are you that stupid to believe that? That you want to insult your ancestors by calling them low-willed? Hah! You should see how much the Bisaya and Mindanao region "accepted" this, they did not, they also fought with their last breath.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy
I never once mentioned my pre-hispanics were "low willed". What made you think that? Spanish formed alliances rather than engaged in war most of the time. Many pre-hispanic nations did not resist the Spanish at all. In fact, Spanish troops were not significantly numerically that Spain relied on Tagalogs and Kapampangans to man their ships, forts and conquer territories. Pre-hispanic Visayans also served the Spanish King because it probably served our interests at that time.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Where are you getting your sources from? Much of the kingdoms in luzon, even some from the lakan dula fought the spanish. If we were so easily to accept them, then why the several hundred rebellions? Most notably the Tondo Conspiracy, which we allied ourselves with many Japanese and south east asians with the royal families of the several kingdoms of luzon.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy There were numerous rebellions after they accepted Spain because they were heavily taxed rather than elevated. Many of these "rebellions" were equally of banditry. Others had been legitimate reaction from not being able to redress grievances like the Cavite Mutiny. If you've read Rizal on his essay A Century he mentioned that the thanks they got from Spain for serving her faithfully was to be treated as second class Spanish subjects.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Again, maynila was counted as under occupation and the rulers of the kingdom of maynila fought against spain, and after legazpi died of heart failure(IRONICALLY he died a bankrupt and unhappy man), even after the countless uprisings they were still counted as being loyal to spain, they only ever labeled maynila as such for the citizens, but the more prominent and people who stand from the crowd, took up arms.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Also, it was not just for mere taxes, but they were killing people and became very oppresive so fast, like for example, many of the chinese citizens I think in maynila rebelled, why? Because, I will tell you, recorded in the Ming-shi Lu was what this atrocity was named as "The Luzon Tragedy". Where it was recorded that at least 30,000 chinese merchants were slaughtered in maynila, many chinese officials and civilian were killed without authority.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy The unconverted chinese were viewed suspiciously as secret invaders. The tones of Limahong and Hideyoshi giving ultimatum to Manila that the Philippines was theirs made matters worse. Those who did the actual killing to suppressed the chinese rebellion were the native mob led by Spaniards. In fact, it was Spanish presence and mexican silver which brought the chinese there. Initially they were encouraged to come as long as they converted. Those who didnt stayed outside the walls.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Actually, the chinese were already there long before the spanish were there, remember the Kingdom of Tondo and the Ming Dynasty established diplomatic ties. Regardless, you cannot justify this mass killing, it is an atrocity.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy The chinese didnt stay permanently and left as soon as transactions were completed accdg to Chajukua. The very people who applauded (in a manner of speaking) the arrival of Miguel Lopez de Legazpi were the chinese traders in their junks off the ramparts called "Maynilad", ruled by a Brunei royalty and relative of Lakan Dula of Tondo, Rajah Sulayman. The chinese complained the Maynilad ruler imposed a high tribute before they can trade. Read Miguel Lopez de Legazpi.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 So they all just decided to leave? In spite of the 30,000 others chinese who were there? Transactions being completed? Dude, I'm sorry, but I am having a hard time adding that up, it does not coincide with the other facts we made a strong connection. Transactions were never ended, it's been a long trade, there was no point a to point b thing in the trade. I think you are talking about Chao Ju Kua, who's birth from what I am looking at is long before these events.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy
Yes, the chinese left. that was the pattern. There was no physical evidence that they did stay such as stone foundations, pottery, copper coins, remnants of chinese pagodas and skeletons of the dead. The only presence they had was dated during the Spanish period but not before.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 LOL alright so your just going to deny everything that the boxer codex mentions of many chinese prescence and even influence during that time. LOL there was infact many pottery that came from them, jeeze dude your asking me to widen my horizon, when infact you are the one who is very closed-minded on this issue. Ask yourself this, why is there so many interracial filipino-chinese? Why is there still many chinese even to date in the Philippines?
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy You offered no proof that chinese settlements were in the Philippines before the Spanish. Many artifacts unearthed were dated during the Spanish period. There were native Malay and chinese mix in the official Spanish census of 1870 numbered at 300,000 from a population of near 4,000,000 with Spaniard/Spaniard related ethnic groups about 24,000. But this didnt mean these malay chinese hybrids were descendants of chinese colonizers before the spaniard showed up.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Not Chinese settlements bolang... Unless you refer to Ma-it, which is the original Mindoro, and which is a location I am not referring to. I am referring to the numerous chinese who lived in the kingdoms, and during the Mind dynasty relations with the Kingdom of Tondo/Luzon, many Chinese took an interest to live in the Kingdom of Tondo/Luzon.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy What can I say other than to leave you to your fiction. It will be good material for a fantasy film one day. No offense but learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 It isn't fiction, look it up... Lol, so the several thousands of chinese present at the time over there is also fiction? But did you not just acknowledge they existed?So you are contradicting yourself, great job.
No offense,but you should do some research instead of denying everything,understand this information is pretty fresh, the laguna copperlate itself was merely recently found,and they didn't start denying all the kingdoms mentioned in it.That attitude will get you nowhere
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 En honor a nuestro pasado cuando Las Filipinas y Mexico estaban unidos dentro de un mismo imperio, trabajemos juntos para el bienestar de nuestras bellas naciones. GLORIA SEA A LAS FILIPINAS Y MEXICO!
03Terrestre 9 months ago
@03Terrestre Claro. Mexico tambien contribuyo a formar la cultura mezcla del Filipinas. Por ejemplo al igual de custombre mexicano muchos filipinos creen que los espiritus de los muertos regresan a la tierra el dos de noviembre para visitar a los vivos. Muchas personas van al cemeterio en el Dia de los muertos, y mucha mas pasan la noche alli. Es custombre ofrecer oraciones, y celebrar el Dia de los muertos con una fiesta.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Cierto, es una tradicion en especial entre filipinos y mexicanos. Se llevan flores, y comida para asi compartir un momento con nuestros antepasados.
03Terrestre 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Isidoro Montes de Oca was a Filipino Mexican commander in the Mexican war for independence.
03Terrestre 9 months ago
@03Terrestre
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 ?
03Terrestre 9 months ago
@Spearman36 and yeah, it also says he was born in in 1170, which is a couple hundred years before 1373 AD, the date of a written record of a description of an envoy from the kingdom of Tondo, which the chinese referred to as not mere chieftains, but kings. I don't think much relations were with the chinese until much after Chao Ju Kua's time.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy The pre-hispanic peoples dealt with all kinds of people and not only the chinese but all over Southeast Asia. Chieftains, headman or kings are mere semantics using the language at that time. It all meant one thing: leader of a people. Dont exaggerate about kingship or state without any proof. There are all kinds of societies during the pre-hispanic era. The chinese accepted tributes from foreign people not because they were equals but as subjects in their minds.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 And no shit I know they dealt with all kinds of people in Asia, did I not just explain the importance the Kingdoms had with the Japanese? Did I also not explain Brunei's involvement in the Tondo Conspiracy? Alright, you should know why these people got involved, many reasons being the connections, and several of those connections have to do with trade, it struck everyone in Asia a huge fucking loss when the kingdoms fell. Don't twist my words, I FUCKING hate that.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 And no shit we dealt with the rest of Asia, did I not just explain our importance and several key connections with the Japanese? Did I also not explain our relations with Brunei as well? Ask yourself, why did they too participate in the Tondo Conspiracy? Because when the kingdoms fell, it struck almost everyone in Asia as a serious fucking loss, you really need to quit twisting my words I FUCKING hate that, if you're going to interpret me wrong, at least learn to correct yourself
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy You still dont get it. All trade is important to any nation. The "philippines" is not the center of the universe even then. It was just one of the many. When kingdoms fall other take their place. I never twisted your words. I dont have to.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 And also, you fucking fail again -_- read over before you make more mistakes in you interpretations, I SAID their trade was very important and prominent in Asia, was it so important that the whole of Asia would collapse if the kingdoms in the Philippines before were to? Of course not, but a serious loss is a serious fucking loss. Like I said, ask yourself why did several people from Brunei and Japan also participated in the Tondo Conspiracy? Jeeze your really not that bright...
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 and much more relations happend with the ming dynasty
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 And you also want to know what I think? Why in the hell is there a statue of Legazpi, but there are barely any statues for the actual heroes, we seem to forget who wronged us and who tried to fight for our freedom, everyone who rebelled in the 100+ rebellions should be given recognition instead of Legazpi. Even you have to agree giving tribute to your enemies instead of to the actual heroes is moronic to say the least. There is a long list, and instead of them, it's legazpi huh?
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy The ever loyal royal city of Manila was not the rampart of Maynilad. They are two different cities with different backdrops in time and events. It may be located upon the same spot but Legazpi founded the city for the Spanish. So historically from that time set it makes sense to put up his statute. For Maynilad as the pre-hispanic people knew it by then was gone.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Oh to be honest he didn't really "found" anything, like you said it is on the same spot, whatever he founded was really only symbollic, it still has the roots of Maynila, there were still revolts, the man died a poor, bankrupt and unhappy man, if it doesn't take karma to show these people that he's not really that great of a guy and that other people should've been given recognition instead, I don't know what could've then. Even his grandson wanted to reverse whatever he did, LOL xD
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 The only Legazpi who should be given recognition is the grandson, who participated in the epic Tondo conspiracy, ashame though...
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy You are so hung up with the Chinese. They were not the only people the pre-hispanic peoples have had contact. You really should expand your horizon. You dont even understand the context on what "diplomatic relations" meant to the chinese at that time. It was a relationship not based on equality but arrogance. My ancestors the Visayans raided them often. Maybe you imagined pampanga was a province of the Ming empire. But there is no real proof that they were colonized by China ever.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Ok, lol it only sounds like I am hung up with the chinese because you have heard of a lot of weird information, which either way they don't add up with each other, plus it seems like you are just denying what has been found. There has been no deny of all the facts I have said, most historians know about it and accept it, talk to Mike Pangilinan himself. I am not really hung up with the chinese, I just happen to keep repeating my self, it is YOU that is hung up with the spanish
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 In recognition of our Philippines and Mexican past I salute our people! SALUDOS A LOS FILIPINOS Y MEXICANOS!
03Terrestre 9 months ago
@03Terrestre Gracias por la fraternidad. Es obvio que nuestros dos naciones se compartieron un pasado comun.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 and at least you know about Hideyoshi's involvement, so I give you props, not many people even knew he had connections to the kingdoms, if you don't already know, he wasn't directly or at all claiming maynila as his, he did send an ultimatum to the spaniards over there, it was either to leave maynila, or face full Japanese invasion, and why? Because many of the natives and royal families of the kingdoms had connections and begged for his help, and like I said, big loss for Japanese
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 but also like I said, the chinese had already been there long before the spanish even knew the archipelago itself existed, when the rise of the Ming dynasty happened, that was when we started seeing many chinese, and about our diplomatic ties, well they were so important, that even when they enforced the Hai Jin, in which they closed martime trade, they still continued to trade with us. Also, like I said, it's an atrocity regardless, I see no point in even trying to justify it.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Most fled to what is known now as Guagua(the name before was Wawa, or HuaHua 偎岸) the killings without authority happened also in Luzon apparently, describing the murderer as a barbaric chieftain, apparently also a spaniard, of luzon. Ok, so some would be treated as second class not even citizens, but spanish subjects? Who the fuck would want to live like that? Lol, well I guess they did fare better than the several thousand chinese who got brutally murdered...
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy I dont know what you are talking about here. But Spain at that time was a strict Monarchy and not a Republic which would mean the inhabitants were not citizens but royal subjects.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 There is too much evidence to point out the fact that the majority of our ancestors wanted nothing to do with the spanish, but some were brainwashed, and then some also even allied themselves with them. Think about this, why would you, being very important in the trades of Asia, want to give all that up and accept the rule of a foreign invader which you probably know almost nothing about who would lock your relations with your fellow asians for a good time? Doesnt add up.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@ThtOnePinoy How can "our ancestors" wanted nothing to do with the Spanish when the islands became a Spanish overseas territory? Implicit in any conquest through warfare, economic means, or dilomacy is the facet of passive acceptance of the conqueror sooner or later. You really should diversify your reading. The pre-hispanic nations traded with anybody. Why should other "Asian" rulers really care if the Spanish took over when the benefits of trade was unchanged and even better to them.
Spearman36 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Hmm, you apparently have no idea how upsetting it was for the Japanese when Luzon was occupied, because it delt a serious blow to their trade, they lost quite a lot. Why do you think a lot of them, especially their merchants, took part in the conspiracy? Lol I don't think you know much about your people before spain. A lot of what you say is based on opinion, especially the last part of what you said "why should our asian neighbors care". Even more evidence of your ineptness.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Hmm, allow me to correct myself, they perhaps wanted trade, but anything that related to occupation I doubt many of our ancestors were for that. What you really should do is understand the difference between acceptance, and being forced into something.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@Spearman36 Ah I have also forgot to mention, you know who also participated in the Tondo conspiracy? Even the great grandson of Legazpi himself, how ironic.Oh, and they also executed the crown prince of Tondo, Magat Salamat who I think was a mere child if im not mistaken,yes he was, this is what I was explaining to Joey a while ago. It was not just the natives who disliked the thought of spain colonization,the Japanese and Brunei were even looking out for us and participated in the conspiracy
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
@tierraboricua I prefer the term "borrowing", construction just doesn't sit very well for me, borrowing is a more accurate use.
ThtOnePinoy 9 months ago
I'm Spaniard. I salute with respect to our asian brothers. United States killed almost a million of Filipinos in a cruel imperialist war, the fist of a long series...
SrNutritivo 1 year ago 2
So much for freedom amd equality!!!! This is total bullshit!!!!
JCaguin 1 year ago
The geonocide was made later by the USA not the spaniards
geosistemas 1 year ago
So why do Filipinos try so hard to come to the US?
ttiiyy 1 year ago
bullshit videos.. filipinos of any color do have spanish descent simply because wfilipinos are mixed with spain..haha unlike china japsnese china was slave by white people
MegaVivian11 1 year ago
to all chinkesejapsnese who made this videos stop makin videos bout filipino history you make videos bout your own country..you giving misconception bout filipinos..the chinkesejapsnese was genocide by many race all white race,,in filipinos never had this problems spain teach filipinos to speak spanish and learn the culture os spain
MegaVivian11 1 year ago
@MegaVivian11 the spanish didnt really taught the filipino how to speak spanish. only a handful know how to speak. why dont you try to speak with the filipinos themselves. even though some of the filipino words are spanish, i wouldn't say say that spain taught them spanish or even learn the spanish culture. the spanish wants to be exclusive just like most white race wants, their selfish in some ways..
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
Your are right. That what I said "even Spain is a construction".
tierraboricua 1 year ago
FUCKING AMERICANS!
bugilator 1 year ago
The Philippines as such did not existed until Spain arrived. Even the name is to honor a Spanish king. The Philippines is a construction as any modern nation. Even Spain is a construction. Before Spain there were an archipielago. Lots of islands with different governments, not a nation. Even the name you call yourselves, Filipinos, is a Spanish name.
tierraboricua 1 year ago
@tierraboricua yeah, but even spain was not spain. it was a group of kingdom. even the name, spanish call themselves isn't spanish it was a mixture of barbaric germans (as the roman called it) and roman language. i would say that all of the modern nation now is a mixture of previous occupational power. just as romans and babarians(when the roman empire is in pieces) occupied and live the land of spain. that's why we got spain because of these two.
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
@tierraboricua and thats why we got the philippines, created by the native population and influence by spanish, american, chinese, arabic, and malayan culture.
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
@tierraboricua what spaniards brought in the phil and the whole world are chaos..they infiltrate a country in order to spread there power not help bulit it...filipinos before are not send to proper education,they only use for force labor,the structure,the culture,attitude that we inherit from spanish are delima,if so i prepare to be under the english.english built good governace to the enveaded country now a days,i want to cut my veins and drain away the spanish blood within it
thedecagon 1 year ago
@tierraboricua really??whats your point?your race is better than ours, ya?how many languages can u ?
speak??
Para tu información we still exercise our malayan heritage up to this moment...so before you open your mouth again try to do some google search lols
Mrpopoy83 11 months ago
@tierraboricua is right there was no country called Philippines yet until the Spanish arrived. Spain, Portugal, England, France and Netherlands formed mostly the south east asian countries' modern nations. It's important to mention MODERN coz there were already kingdoms ruled by Muslims/Hindus which preceded the western colonizers.
deepsweech 11 months ago
apprec8 u for uploading dis vid.. anyway, u might want to rephrase ur comment "Philippines as such did not existed until Spain arrived". YOU ARE MISTAKEN MY BROTHER. The spaniards just liberally gave the name... as if just to mark it and announce to the whole world that Philippines is now part of their territory & back off. that's all. There WAS already EXISTING CULTURE WAY BEFORE SPANIARDS ARRIVED. The gentle MALAY RACE is present.
zenon2032 11 months ago
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@tierraboricua apprec8 u for uploading dis vid.. anyway, u might want to rephrase ur comment "Philippines as such did not existed until Spain arrived". YOU ARE MISTAKEN MY BROTHER. The spaniards just liberally gave the name... as if just to mark it and announce to the whole world that Philippines is now part of their territory & back off. that's all. There WAS already EXISTING CULTURE WAY BEFORE SPANIARDS ARRIVED. The gentle MALAY RACE is present.
zenon2032 11 months ago
@tierraboricua no, we existed long before the spanish came and we were trading with china.... however we were not called filipinos back then cuz as you said the spanish named us, but theyr just calling us names, they did not make us or own us.... no one does
HOLYMANSASSASIN 10 months ago
type gift in front of youtube!!
MajorMarmar 1 year ago
why spain conquered the philippines?
answer: we're damn sexy!
joey143anna 1 year ago
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rbatheNORSEMAN 1 year ago
@rbatheNORSEMAN hhaahaha, thats whats funny about the filipino's it is diverse. just as united states of america is. USA citizens are different kinds of people from different parts of the world.
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
@zsuxckzs But we're mostly white. We're the majority.
rbatheNORSEMAN 1 year ago
@rbatheNORSEMAN where not talking about color.. were talking about nationality; what country did you come from... even the whites are made up of jewish, polish, russian, english, scottish, french
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
@zsuxckzs and many more
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
@zsuxckzs Right. I'm aware of that. I'm Norwegian/German/English/Irish. But my nationality is American. But that's not the point.. The point is, we're the majority in America and I believe even in Canada.
rbatheNORSEMAN 1 year ago
@zsuxckzs what country did your ancestor came from? what im saying is its not about color, im just saying what part of the world, did the people of the philippines and US came from.
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
mga putang ina nio
psalm1992 1 year ago
@valcan321 its easy to distort history to mirror your own personal views but the fact is spain rule philippines for hundreds of year giving no power to the philippines people infact they kill jose rizal for talking about freedom to rule . america came to phil and made promise to give philippines power and they did it was only interupted by world war 2 but america kept it promise . and we still trying to help phil in spite of its own foolish decisions , giving money ,how much did spain give?
saint27573 1 year ago
@saint27573 i would say thats true but you ahve some infractions just as i may have infractions in giving this comment. dewey didn't kept his promise that he will support the filipinos, instead he choose to be greedy and take the islands for america. in fact most americans in that time look down at the filipinos. they should have given them the right to rule. why? because it was a complete 180 degree turn from the democratic values of USA. pls study your US history.
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
@valcan321 i got a question for you since you think philippines was better under spanish rule answer this for me . 2010 the united state give 2.4 billions dollars to philippines to help their economy while our own country is in debt . How much money did spain give philippines ? answer spain give no money to philippines . spain ruled philippines for hundreds of year but give the philippines how much power to rule their self ? answer none they kept power over phil. but america give power back.!!!
saint27573 1 year ago
@saint27573 you know why america still gives money to other countries. the answer is: to show that america is still have its influence. to show that they are still strong even in times of recession. i would say its a good thing they help but there are also other interest that america wants to keep.
zsuxckzs 1 year ago
valcan321 dont you ever disrespect the united states with your mixed view our country sacrificed thousands of lives to set people in europe free we spent countless moneys and even our enemies were better off after we won dont forget we were the only super power in the world we could have taken over everything and no one could have stopped us but we didnt we rebuilt countries that attacked us . so shut up you moron !
saint27573 1 year ago
the fact is that each nation invades others and go to war only wanting there own best interest for power and wealth. the question shouldnt be whos to blame but rather when will the nations stop domanating each other again "for its own best interest- power and wealth" think about it. the answer might be never~
kisaper 1 year ago
this vid's great!! just exactly what i've been looking for my history report :D
55dymo 1 year ago
@55dymo
Hahahah!
Seek in yahoo about "Philippie-American war" by Arnaldo Dumindin!
The best I have seen about the TRUE situation of the said WAR!
or
Got to Ambeth Ocampo's site or Facebook acct!
He is the ONE in Phil. history!
bayyagg 1 year ago