What Must I Do To Be Saved? Craig vs Ally (HQ) 4/12

[julio14335]

What is the justification of BLOOD SACRIFICE on earth as well as in Heaven. Will mother Teresa pays the same price as Hitler does?

[shanlaska]

Lol I love shabir, may Allah inshallah help all Muslims, n make dumb pple c the real side if Islam inshallah!

[DesertFoxThe]

The verses that Ally refers to (Psalms 5:4-6) have nothing to do with God hating sinners, it says He is disgusted by sin, and that He will punish sin.

[Lindemann04109]

You Christians and You Muslims are BOTH Wrong. Jesus was not the Jewish Messiah or a Messiah of any kind. He was not a Prophet, or a messenger or what ever. He was not born of a virgin. He was in fact Crucified and also died. He was Jewish. Noting more, nothing less. See, Your Both Wrong.

[Kailoa36]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. They're both stark staring mad!

[wachnathan]

Well the Quran was inspired by the bible i call it a rip off stolen from the bible to support there own peoples ideas much like the mormons prophet that wanted to be arrogant enough to steal the bibles glory. In a nut shell these Muslims and Mormons are just generic brands of christianity but not the real faith.

[HavLuv4AllNBLuved]

@wachnathan Assalamoalikum(Peace) my dear frnd, 'rip off stolen from the Bible'???, If u read the Quran there is nt a single verse tht hav been copied 4m the Bible, meaning a word to word identicality.U wud find similarities bt nt absolute identicalities.I'll giv just one example to explain out of many, for eg. the story of jews worshipping the golden calf.One may find this story inthe Bible as well as the Quran.

[wachnathan]

@HavLuv4AllNBLuved The Quran was cut from the same fabric as the bible so of course its a rip off to give Islam credit over the Jews it makes sense given there hatred for one another. When i read the Quran its really just a book about war and threats of hell but yet claims piece it is not at all realistic to reality its very primitive in value and will degrade modern man.

[HavLuv4AllNBLuved]

@wachnathan Assalamoalikum(Peace) again my dear frnd, as i said there is nt a single verse inthe Quran tht have been copied from the Bible and i wud advise u read the Bible and the Quran and compare both, which is primitive and which is nt.Our christian brethren see europe n america as n example of Biblical values.Bt however it's nt true they have dissociated themselves frm the Bible.Ofcourse christianity is now treated just as a religion n nt as political,economical,education­al,judicial system.

[HavLuv4AllNBLuved]

@HavLuv4AllNBLuved I dnt believe tht the Quran is primitive n just talk abt threats of hell.If u read the Quran properly u will find in it a variety of contents.Quran speaks abt a variety of subjects n encourages us to investigate into the nature n science.Islam is misinterpreted by many as just a religion however it's an eonomical,social,political,jud­icial system and so on.I wud advise u to read the Quran properly and compare it with other religious books n u find a great difference.

[wachnathan]

@HavLuv4AllNBLuved Well alright its true i don't fully understand the Quran so i will be fair about it yes i belief primitive isn't quite the right word for it but you have to admit some of the fabric is related to the bible and like i said i still need to study it more very true before i can really judge it.

[HavLuv4AllNBLuved]

@wachnathan I appreciate ur honesty.

[HavLuv4AllNBLuved]

@wachnathan Bt we read in the book of Exodus tht Aaron(p.b.u.h) took the golden earnings 4m the israelites and cast them into fire out of which came a golden calf n furthermore, he instructed the Israelites tht it was their lord.So the Bible puts the blame of idolatory on Aaron(p.b.u.h) who also led the others astray bt when u read the Quran, u'll find tht it was a certain magician Samri who made the golden calf and it was nt Aaron(p.b.u.h) who was thus, nt responsible 4 such an evil act.

[hexusziggurat]

3:40 God did not penalize an innocent. God chose not to intervene on Jesus's behalf during his execution. Jesus also realized it had to happen. If God was willing to let His son die, and Jesus was in turn not running for refuge but willing to face his persecuters, then they must have been willing to sacrifice to prove they stood for what was offered on the table for humanity.

[CyprusHot]

ally is hilarious... craig is clear and concise.

[Jerseygirl8999]

what is Gentile Christianity and Jewish Christianity I thought paul said that the Gentiles and the converted Jews would come together and make up on body (that body beinging the Chruch) we are no seperated in Christ we come together in one body in one truth that thruth being only found through the blood of Yeshua

[villaessaouira]

shabir make lot of sence

[arkboy93]

hey just saying jesus loves you! even if you are evil or pure!

[Metsada007]

Christianity is paganism, sad but true.

[reubenravidass]

@Metsada007 what about muhhemmed fucked a small girl of nine when he was 60. sad but true islam is a padeophlia religion. he gave her his cock as his toys when she was playing with toys.

[AdemaLevel]

@reubenravidass Where does it say that? and why are you holding it against him?did anyone at his time have anything against did muhammed's enemies say anything about it? i mean if his enemies didnt say anything about it, i doubt its true.

[reubenravidass]

@AdemaLevel all bukhry states she had intersourse with muhhemmed at the age of nine. what enemy u talking about ???? the enemy of muhhemmed is a person who disagree with him throught history including this century. after his encounter at mount hira his sensual appetite increased it doesn't matter what ur muhhemadans religion thinks.

[AdemaLevel]

@reubenravidass Hand me the hadith master claim. and you do know like 60% of hadith are not real?

[AdemaLevel]

@reubenravidass Over that, The enemies of Muhammed before the 20th century never EVER claimed he was a pedophile, doesnt that signal a fucking bell in your head? that women that pass puberty are considered allowed to be married and to have sex? im not talking about now im talking about before? you're an idiot. You judge him as if he is living right now. get a life.

[jdoe11385]

I disagree with Ally very much, being Christian, but I think he put on a fantastic constructive.

[villaessaouira]

jdoe11385

Mithra and Paul r your LORDS not Jesus!!!

[YHWHisElohim]

RetSquid- This is also David in prayer:

Psalm 50:5- "Gather my saints together to Me, those who have cut a covenant with Me by sacrifice."

The covenant was made with Abraham by cutting flesh and blood. For this very reason Yahuweh kept His righteousness and consistency by becoming that which was "cut" and pierced as a perfect atoning sacrifice:

Matthew 26:28 "For this is My blood, of the covenant, which is shed for many for the foregiveness of sins."

[RetSquid]

Psalms 5:1 Give ear to my words, O LORD, consider my meditation

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

This is David in a prayer.

[marephrem]

I would love if you could reply to torahrevival's videos against Paul (he recently believed in Paul, but no longer does now)...

[Glorthac]

Maybe I will take upon the challenge. And I can create the same Christian doctrine without Pauls works, using the Old Testament and the Gospels.

[marephrem]

Please do it.

[YHWHisElohim]

I'm not a "gentile" Christian, and what Shabir is saying sounds very foolish to me. When I read the writings of Paul, it is quite clear to me that he is a trained Rabbi making a commentary on Torah.

I'm so sick and tired of Muslims claiming Paul "hijacked" the faith of Yeshua.

[villaessaouira]

hi mithra worshiper

" i' m so sick and tired .................Paul hijacked the faith of yeshua"

go back to history asshole then you will see that early "chistians" desagree with Paul pagan teaching !!

[YHWHisElohim]

villa- I find it ironic that you are telling me to research history when I have spent many years of my life doing so. What is clear to me, is that you have no clue what you are talking about if you believe in that pharsical Mithra rhetoric. I guess it doesn´t take much to let you deceive yourself by feeding you what you want to hear. Paul was a monotheist who abhorred paganism. You on the other hand, are so intellectually bereft that you resort to profanity and exclamation points. Good day.

[YHWHisElohim]

Mr. Ally misses the fact that God made a covenant with Abraham that requires blood atonement.

So YES. The Islamic concept is COMPLETELY opposed to the concept of God in Judaism.

[1MoreMuslim]

"Mr. Ally misses the fact that God made a covenant with Abraham that requires blood atonement."

Where is that? Why jews don't believe in that?

In the other hand, God made a covenant with Abraham that requires circumcision... and you are out!

[YHWHisElohim]

"Why jews don't believe in that?"

I can tell you at least ONE that does :-)....but more to the point, why don't Shia, and Ahmadiyya, and Druze believe what Sunni believe?(I am being sarcastic btw). Stop making illogical arguments.

"In the other hand, God made a covenant with Abraham that requires circumcision... and you are out!"

Are you kidding me!! You know something about the appearance of my genitals....how??

Sorry, but it is pretty much impossible to take you seriously now :P

[1MoreMuslim]

"but more to the point, why don't Shia, and Ahmadiyya, and Druze believe what Sunni believe?"

making a parallel between jews /christians in one hand and sunni /shia on the other hand is like comparing Apples with... cucumber! Sunni shia do not argue about what is salvation, who is God , who is Jesus...

Christians are out of the covenant of circumcision, if you are in, it's just by chance.

watch my video, you will see how J Smith and J white and W Craig, cannot agree on a simple point.

[YHWHisElohim]

Actually, it is completely germaine to the topic at hand. The point is not WHAT the sects of Islam disagree about, the point is THAT they disagree even though they read the same Quran. This shows you are applying inconsistant arguments. Different groups taking opinions from the same text is irrelevant, and a fallacious arguement.

How do the OPINIONS of men have ANY bearing here? The don't. Muslims disagree on things all the time. I accept this as normal, not a 'disqualification' of the Quran.

[mechavelli1]

to YHWHisElohim:

shia and sunni disagree about the khalifs that's it not the coran!! there is only one coran....sunni whant's elections democracy but shia whant's dictators to bee succeded from father to son but sunnis want' elections after the death of the prophet mohammed

[villaessaouira]

did Abraham sacrivice his son?? NO

[jihhn]

@YHWHisElohim

Actually, God was testing the believe of Abraham.

God asked him to not kill his own son becaus he saw that Abaraham was submiting himself.

So God asked him to kill an Animal.

[38387205]

@YHWHisElohim

The Bible is quite clear on the issue of sins being forgiven at the spilling of blood; “To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifice unto Me?, saith the Lord. I am full of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks or of lamb or of he-goats.” Isaiah 1:11

[Legend1One]

@38387205

YOU said: "The Bible is quite clear on the issue of sins being forgiven at the spilling of blood"

Consider your fully Ezekiel 18

21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

22All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Continued...

[Legend1One]

@38387205 ...Cont

Ezekiel 18

30 "..Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin."

Mark 1

15 "... "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

And in numerous place throughout the OT and NT Repentance is all that is required for salvation. In-fact, READ the Gospels of Mathew and Mark, and you will find JTB and Jesus (PBUH) preaching repentance and forgiveness to be saved, same as Islam.

[Legend1One]

@38387205 ... Continued...

Therefore, no "BLOOD SACRAFICE" is required. Stop going to Chruch, being brain washed by your pastor, and READ YOUR BIBLE AT HOME, and then get a Quran and READ IT! I hope you follow through with the suggestion I have given you. Enjoy your day.

[sunnahproduction]

@YHWHisElohim i dont understand these satanic blood rituals that christians and jews are involved in.

Judism: the rabbi sucks the blood when a jewish child is circumcised

Christianity: they drink wine and think it is the blood of Jesus(Heaven forbide) this lie was made so people in europe can make their wineyards.

However The Covenent was clear, it is the circumcised of all males.. also muslims are the only group that blesses the family of Ibrahim(pbuH) in every pray.. christians&jews dont do it