I have to say, I barely know anything about ccgs anymore. I used to play yugioh when I was younger though, and the look on Olivier's face when he saw the card reminded me so much of how I felt when my friend would play that one card, and I would just be like "fuck..."
@Colorstalker You obviously didn't watch it. Craig Jones played Char right before he top-decked. The Char brought Ruel to 3, and the Helix killed him.
Craig's down to three. He's down to three, he's got one draw phase. He's lookin at the top. Alright! Char....char you! I like the play! The crowd is reeling. What is on top of the deck WHAT IS ON TOP OF THE DECK OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ........OH ITS LIGHTNING HELIX OHMIGOOAADDDD OH MI GODADDDD
lol.... yugioh is the number 1 trading card game, followed by MTG, then World Of Warcraft, then Pokemon TCG, me? i love them all XD but yugioh is my favorite, but MTG is SOOOO close up there :D
@jp201201 link plz? all i did was google it and check a few of those, the way i read it was magic was the original, which got a run for its money by pokemon, then bypassed by yugioh, and is now fighting for first (which yugioh has according to what i read) with WoW fighting hard and becoming insanely popular, so thats all i know about it (not trying to argue, just saying what i read and heard)
@TheTeamAKY From a person who played Yugioh from the early years of the game, I can state that you are wrong! You can pay 20 bucks and get 250 cards in MTG! And when you buy a deck, you get a free booster pack!
Top Deck: Condition where you have no cards in your hand at the beginning of your turn and you are drawing the top card of your deck each turn. Not recommended because you have to depend on whatever card you're drawing that turn to keep playing and your opponent knows that you only have that drawn card as a threat.
Attacking with all Rusalkas made no difference, Jones could have just gone Helix, gain 3, Char the next turn, it looked like he had more than enough mana on the table.
Im very confused as to why nobody has made fun of the guy screaming "OH MY GOD LIGHTNING HELIX OH MY GODDDD" or made some remix or something. This needs to happen.
@Kostly not 100% certain but it looks like two Plagued Rusalkas. 1/1 black Spirit with "B, Sac a creature: target creature gets -1/-1 until EOT". The Watchwolf is Craig's but it can't get through. Even if he had two removals to clear the Rusalkas out of the way, Ruel had mana to point each slain Rusalka at the Wolf to shrink it down. Nothing but another burn off the top could kill Ruel, and a second Char would kill them both. Only Helix could win it at that point.
@Kostly PS Oli's other creatures are a tapped Hand of Cruelty (2/2 black human samurai with Pro: White and Bushido 1) and a 1/1 white spirit token with flying from Seize the Soul.
Can anyone please explain what happened? I mean the effect of the cards that set this game cause I haven't been playing for long and I cant recognize these cards by just the picture yet
Craig used Char(4 damage to player or creature 2 damage to you) at the end of Olivers turn, then drew a lightning helix(4 damage to opponent). If he hadn't drawn a direct damage spell for 3+ damage that cost 5 or less mana he would have lost the game next turn.
@kaltoros correction, helix does 3. the real awesome factor is that the Char could have been pointed at an attacker to try to drag out the game but Jones boldly took a chance and pointed it at his opponent's face. This threw away (I believe) all his other outs to his opponent's next attack in exchange for a single out that would be burn for lethal. I've seen people Char too often without counting the cost of the 2 life, but in this case it was utterly crucial.
@henrygab the char wasn't really the topdeck, it was the tool he used to setup and prepare for the chance of getting a helix. Notice that by dropping to 1 from his Char, he made it so that *not even another Char* could win it. But there was no other out to the situation, and he just took a bold chance. He could have charred an attacker but he had no realistic way of winning the race in the future. He probably looked at that racing situation, thought, "gee, I wish this Char was a Helix", and...
@henrygab also worth pointing out, as the other commentator does to BDM, that the Char-> Helix play wouldn't have been possible if Oli had attacked with all his Rusalkas. Then the Char would have been forced to go at an attacker, and the Helix too most likely. Unless Jones had even more lucky topdecks to follow, he would eventually have been beaten down by Oli's pressure. So, the window for this topdeck was made possible by Ruel's overly conservative strategy in the endgame.
its like i was facing jace 3.0 in a draft got 11 cards left he was going to kill me next turn but he was at 2 life and i needed the singel Chandra´s Outrage in the deck to kill him and one of his guys all around was getting syced and then i smash the chandra in the table and all just flipps out epic day that was !
@axion419 I have to assume (in order to be charitable towards you) that you don't understand Magic, or perhaps not the format that was being played that day. Jones could have held that Char, which would have lost him the game. He could have spent it on a creature, which would have just fed back into a losing blocking situation vs. Jitte. He did neither. He correctly saw his only remaining path to victory was Char now and a very low-prob. Helix next turn, and played for the win like a true pro.
@nfinn42 You're right, I don't understand Magic at all. I have never played it. I have no clue what is really going on in the video. Thank you for the explanation but even that was hard to follow. The guy's reaction just seemeda bit exaggerated.
@axion419 that's totally fine. you'll find us Magic geeks are typically very newbie friendly, so I wasn't trying to bite your head off. The reaction was perhaps a bit loud but then Brian-David Marshall IS a company employee so it's part of his job description to drum up enthusiasm for the game; perhaps a certain amount of his exuberance comes from that source, but I prefer to imagine that BDM is just a big ol' nerd like the rest of us. ^_^ I probably would have done the same, only louder!
put another way: baseball fans still tell stories of how Babe Ruth would point to a specific area of the bleachers occasionally and put a home run over that part. (This feat has been duplicated lots since, but back then it was new.) Imagine if instead he had predicted that the ball would fly into four pieces and knock out all the opposing basemen - WITH bases loaded - and then it actually happened exactly as he hoped it would? The above video is simply a one in a million moment.
@SwagMaster9000 sort of like a cross between chess and poker, actually. It has the grand strategy and "look ahead more moves than your opponent" aspect of chess, but it also has the "out-bluff and out-guess your opponent" and "be able to rapidly assess probabilities to deduce what your opponent's hand might be" aspects of poker. You need a mind like a supercomputer and a face like a stone wall to play at the level these guys do.
@nfinn42 Magic isn't anywhere close to poker strategy wise. In Magic, almost always, the most optimal play is obvious. Poker is a LOT more difficult to succeed in.
@wiljoebob808 which is why Chris Moneymaker was able to go from newbie to world series champ in a single run in 2003... sure. Whereas Magic players typically have to play for 2+ years before even the fastest learners among them develop the skills required to win Pro Tour level events. The optimal play is extremely hard to define in Magic since one isn't playing with the same card pool every game so it's not possible to develop a similarly-detailed analysis of hand probabilities. (cont'd...)
@wiljoebob808 If you looked into the top Magic players a bit you'd learn that several of them have made quite a bit of money playing Poker as well, such as Gabriel Nassif and Jon Finkel. The skill sets required to do well in the two games are similar enough that there is a high correlation between people who are able to consistently make MtG Grand Prix and Pro Tour day 2's, and people who top-table WPT events. And, just like Poker, MtG deals with its share of people who say "it's all luck"... :P
@nfinn42 Well, it is all luck, as a lot of it is response to what your opponent does. When you bluff, it's luck if your opponent believes it or doesn't believe it. Some skill, but it comes down to luck, like if you're an amazing super pro at magic, I could still beat you if I get an amazing draw and you draw 0 lands after mulling to like 3.
@pkfighter343 yeah, but it's not about a single game. Over the course of many matches, each of which is 2-3 games, skill slowly wins out over luck. This is why a pro tour is typically 16 rounds of Swiss. To go 16-0, 15-1, or 14-1-1 with good breakers (the results typically needed to top 8 a big event), you need to play a minimum of 32 games of Magic and lose no more than 3 of them. That's simply not luck-based, which is why we see the same names on the Pro Tour over and over every year.
@nfinn42 That's not true. Going back to what I said earlier, against the players that are a bit better than you, that you should probably be losing against, it comes down to luck of the draw. For example, if one of them in this game had all of their grave titans and or other bombs at the bottom, it's pretty much insta loss. A lot of it does come down to luck. Another example: at an FNM my opponent had 8 life, 2 cards, I had a HoB, 1 token, a 2/2 with a flayer husk on it. I attacked and won.
@otterk Gee, maybe I haven't been playing since like the 3rd core set or some shit. Actually, I played casually from mirrodin - kamigawa, then started again around new phyrexia. So no shit, faggot.
@pkfighter343 Someone has anger issues. Maybe that's why you're arguing with everyone. Sure, every card game will have luck, but in NO way can you attribute wins towards it. Sure, you may win a few games here or there due to luck, but I would bet that 99% of the time, the better player will win.
@otterk Sure as hell isn't me. I was providing emphasis. I'm not disagreeing with you, but luck plays a major factor in who wins as well. And, as in this case, it didn't matter at the end who was better. I'm just saying sure, good players win because they're good, but if they just get a few bad draws it can take matches from them, even if the other player is less experienced.
@pkfighter343 which, again, is why the pro tour uses a huge amount of rounds. It eliminates the importance of random losses to bad luck. If Magic is luck based, why do we see the same faces over and over, year after year, on the Pro Tour? Unless you bring in some sort of conspiracy theory or believe in magical luck-granting leprechauns, that kind of blows your theory out of the water.
@nfinn42 Are you serious? I've been saying this all along. When it gets down to it, the two finalists will win due to luck, for the most part. You have no idea what your opponent will do, and how many rounds? 5-7? Luck will still win you the games. Good draws = Good luck
Bad draws = bad luck. It can happen more than once.
@pkfighter343 A pro tour is typically three days. Days one and two each have eight rounds of swiss pairings, with eliminations between. After day two, top eight go into elimination brackets. You'd have learned this if you had bothered to use google. 16 rounds of best two out of three cuts down on the "bad draws" excuse.
And, again: if it is your contention that Magic is determined by luck, then what IS your alternate explanation for why we keep seeing the same players? Pixie dust? Cheats?
@nfinn42 You are completely oblivious. Do you even read my whole comment? I said when it goes down to it, the FINALS. THE FUCKING FINALS. There are something like 7 rounds. If they are about even in skill, 3 rounds to 3, then luck will determine the last game.
@pkfighter343 so now you're changing your story. Originally you said it was "all luck". Now that that's been debunked, without conceding the point gracefully you've decided instead to just shift your stance and pretend you've been arguing the same point all along.
@mega227: Craig was in a terrible spot since, after Oliver's attack, he would lose the game next turn. He only had Char on his hand (4 damage to target and 2 damage to you) while his opponent had seven life. He decided to Char Oliver with the Char at the end of Oliver's turn, hoping to draw another burn spell from his deck. Oliver's life dropped down to three. Craig drew the card face up and revealed a Lightning Helix, which dealt three damage and won Craig the game.
@iurhviusdfavhi I play poker also play MGT but trust me you'll never get more emotions with MTG than Poker Texas, MTG is just that A GAME , in poker you can lose your life your home your car all your money! even they can kill you and your family if you dont pay just in one hand! so please do not comment bullshit! ok? nerd?
@Opeth291 Im not mad dude, i'm just can't understand Why geeks say MTG it's better than Poker, poker has more Style, and class, or will you imagine James Bond in Casino Royale playing MTG?
@BuBuluBueNo969 tts all about perception. Dude its only classy because that what it was perceived to be example James bond 1st one ever made and hes playing magic the gathering tux and a cigar now you think its all classy rather than a bunch of geeks as you call them playing .
@allisterw9 MR, you're the only guy who argument good, I also Play MTG and really like me but some dick face say its better than poker, both are just a game but uno had more than a century and is play in more equitative way! and had the same odds to win, and belive it or not, when you are preying for an Ace or just one card in the river to win the pot ... the rest of the world does not exist... that my friend is what I call exiting!
play 15 000$ MTG game and you'll get the same emotion.
People prefer poker because they can bet more not because the game is more exciting. if that game was worth 9.6M like the world series of poker... probably the game would have been terribly different
\o/ \o/ gruul decks are already obsolete i used to play this before, zoos often fails if someone plays u with one of those new &cheap mono-red burningcrap decks har har har!!
"If Oli just attacked with all of his rusalkas like we thought he would, that play would not have been possible"
They realize very quickly that Craig would still have won when drawing the Lightning Helix (2 red and 5 lands) by simply going down to 2 life during the attack, drawing the helix. Casting it. Going up to 5. THEN Charring Ruel.
@SkyaRuna Alright, Olivier attacks for 3 and since his creatures have protection from white Craig can't chump block and his life goes to 3. Craig plays a Char EOT (Deals 4 damage to target opponent or creature [this case Olivier] and deals 2 damage to you [Craig]). So Craig is at 1 and Olivier at 3. Then Craig topdecks lightning helix which deals 3 damage to target creature or player and you gain 3 life.
No, he char'd for 4, leaving the opponent at 3, then he casted helix to deal 3 damage exactly. Out of probably 40 cards he beat a 1 in 10 chance. Nobody wants a one in ten chance to win a game.
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you need to all get a life. go hang out with your family. get outside and feel the sunshine. apply some of your time to helping others. this is an escape.
you do this all the time with zoo , nothing spectacular
ilseteamo 5 days ago
2:30-2:34 is the best commentary, ever.
RhacsandMTG 1 week ago
I have to say, I barely know anything about ccgs anymore. I used to play yugioh when I was younger though, and the look on Olivier's face when he saw the card reminded me so much of how I felt when my friend would play that one card, and I would just be like "fuck..."
ILuvGreenDayX 2 weeks ago
Wtf? if olivier Ruel ha 7 life and Lightning helix does 3 how does he win
Colorstalker 2 weeks ago
@Colorstalker You obviously didn't watch it. Craig Jones played Char right before he top-decked. The Char brought Ruel to 3, and the Helix killed him.
Aeroblacksmith 2 weeks ago
@Aeroblacksmith oh i understand now :-p!
Colorstalker 2 weeks ago
@Aeroblacksmith Doesn't the char only deal 2 damage to the player who uses it? how did he went from 6 to 3?
ptpetrov 3 days ago
@ptpetrov he had to take damage from the creatures
lazywyatt 3 days ago
So what's happened there? I don't even.
izvarzone 3 weeks ago
2:30 Nerdgasm!
iTzHypn0 3 weeks ago
still prefer Nassif vs Chapin.
InferusExitium 3 weeks ago
GOREG4SM 3 weeks ago 3
It was so funny how Buehler was completely ignoring Flores during this whole thing. He was basically saying, "This is going to be epic, shut up."
lqdreality 3 weeks ago 2
good old days when you could stack dmg and use jitte
TheSquirrelbeast 4 weeks ago
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TheSquirrelbeast 4 weeks ago
i still like the mirror match minds desire played minds it got stifled he drew in to nother minds that be my favrite top deck i seen
ndscrub 1 month ago
Lightning Helix has saved my ass veery often. :P
CriticaLxThoughX 1 month ago
2:30 nerdgasm
xSquishy410 1 month ago 9
lol.... yugioh is the number 1 trading card game, followed by MTG, then World Of Warcraft, then Pokemon TCG, me? i love them all XD but yugioh is my favorite, but MTG is SOOOO close up there :D
thepyrowulf 1 month ago
@thepyrowulf according to guinness the most played card game is now magic and not yugioh. Even if it wasn't magic > yugioh.
jp201201 1 month ago 4
@jp201201 link plz? all i did was google it and check a few of those, the way i read it was magic was the original, which got a run for its money by pokemon, then bypassed by yugioh, and is now fighting for first (which yugioh has according to what i read) with WoW fighting hard and becoming insanely popular, so thats all i know about it (not trying to argue, just saying what i read and heard)
thepyrowulf 1 month ago
@thepyrowulf Yugioh #1? Uh...no. Not when it costs over a grand to build a competitive deck
PhoenixLance13 4 days ago
@PhoenixLance13 ? i spent like 20 bucks on mine and have only been beaten twice
thepyrowulf 1 day ago
And I jizzed in my pants
p0skar1 1 month ago
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Yu-Gi-Oh screws Magic any day
TheTeamAKY 2 months ago
@TheTeamAKY Go away
SFA33 2 months ago
@TheTeamAKY yeah, yu-gi-oh is not a cheaper copy made for children...... (irony)
gothikgamer 1 month ago
@TheTeamAKY From a person who played Yugioh from the early years of the game, I can state that you are wrong! You can pay 20 bucks and get 250 cards in MTG! And when you buy a deck, you get a free booster pack!
BaldurdashWoW 1 month ago
@Falcrist Thanks for explaining this... Never even seen a magic game before... Tv tropes man.
whatmesage 2 months ago
@whatmesage How did you even FIND my comment at this point? lol!
Falcrist 2 months ago
@Falcrist All skill baby, all skill :P
whatmesage 2 months ago
@TheStfu1000:
Top Deck: Condition where you have no cards in your hand at the beginning of your turn and you are drawing the top card of your deck each turn. Not recommended because you have to depend on whatever card you're drawing that turn to keep playing and your opponent knows that you only have that drawn card as a threat.
djpraiseadelik 2 months ago
what does top deck refer to?
TheStfu1000 2 months ago
fucking nerds!
zulgyan 2 months ago
@zulgyan yes, they are! just like me BITCH! deal with it.
gothikgamer 1 month ago
Dwight playing zoo =)
PeriodismoNet 2 months ago
Attacking with all Rusalkas made no difference, Jones could have just gone Helix, gain 3, Char the next turn, it looked like he had more than enough mana on the table.
Purgatog 2 months ago
who knew dwight schrute was also a magic the gathering legend
kloudd 2 months ago
i thought dwight played starcraft 2 not magic
misterguy1985 2 months ago
Im very confused as to why nobody has made fun of the guy screaming "OH MY GOD LIGHTNING HELIX OH MY GODDDD" or made some remix or something. This needs to happen.
gavinjoaquinolivas 3 months ago
Believe in the heart of the cards...
Scrapmiester 3 months ago 42
@Scrapmiester Wrong card game man.
harrimat100 3 weeks ago
Oliver left no blockers or what? It's a watchwolf. What was on oliver's board?
Kostly 3 months ago
@Kostly not 100% certain but it looks like two Plagued Rusalkas. 1/1 black Spirit with "B, Sac a creature: target creature gets -1/-1 until EOT". The Watchwolf is Craig's but it can't get through. Even if he had two removals to clear the Rusalkas out of the way, Ruel had mana to point each slain Rusalka at the Wolf to shrink it down. Nothing but another burn off the top could kill Ruel, and a second Char would kill them both. Only Helix could win it at that point.
nfinn42 2 months ago
@Kostly PS Oli's other creatures are a tapped Hand of Cruelty (2/2 black human samurai with Pro: White and Bushido 1) and a 1/1 white spirit token with flying from Seize the Soul.
nfinn42 2 months ago
the crowd has gone ballistic! *one person cheers*
grnman86 3 months ago 2
@grnman86 *points to 340k views, above*
nfinn42 2 months ago
two words.....
NO SLEEVES
befreud 3 months ago
Can anyone please explain what happened? I mean the effect of the cards that set this game cause I haven't been playing for long and I cant recognize these cards by just the picture yet
SlyCooper92 3 months ago
@SlyCooper92
Craig used Char(4 damage to player or creature 2 damage to you) at the end of Olivers turn, then drew a lightning helix(4 damage to opponent). If he hadn't drawn a direct damage spell for 3+ damage that cost 5 or less mana he would have lost the game next turn.
kaltoros 3 months ago
@kaltoros thanks ^^
SlyCooper92 3 months ago
@kaltoros correction, helix does 3. the real awesome factor is that the Char could have been pointed at an attacker to try to drag out the game but Jones boldly took a chance and pointed it at his opponent's face. This threw away (I believe) all his other outs to his opponent's next attack in exchange for a single out that would be burn for lethal. I've seen people Char too often without counting the cost of the 2 life, but in this case it was utterly crucial.
nfinn42 2 months ago
Tryndamere is op
ghbutler 3 months ago
@ghbutler malzahar ftw
Yashin91 3 months ago
i love randy's NUOH MAI GAWD. this brings back such great memories.
frankguevara 4 months ago
Double topdeck: First Char, then Lightning Helix.
henrygab 4 months ago
@henrygab the char wasn't really the topdeck, it was the tool he used to setup and prepare for the chance of getting a helix. Notice that by dropping to 1 from his Char, he made it so that *not even another Char* could win it. But there was no other out to the situation, and he just took a bold chance. He could have charred an attacker but he had no realistic way of winning the race in the future. He probably looked at that racing situation, thought, "gee, I wish this Char was a Helix", and...
nfinn42 3 months ago
@henrygab also worth pointing out, as the other commentator does to BDM, that the Char-> Helix play wouldn't have been possible if Oli had attacked with all his Rusalkas. Then the Char would have been forced to go at an attacker, and the Helix too most likely. Unless Jones had even more lucky topdecks to follow, he would eventually have been beaten down by Oli's pressure. So, the window for this topdeck was made possible by Ruel's overly conservative strategy in the endgame.
nfinn42 3 months ago
OMG OMG !!! Double Rainbow!!! :P What does this mean?!
nemesisbreakz 4 months ago 2
is he also a beet farmer in scranton?
banihex 4 months ago 52
@banihex funniest comment i've read on YT in years. Well done sir...
rocketrobotkron 4 months ago
what happend there?
DoeDunmore 4 months ago
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TheCaptainKanada 4 months ago
OH MY GOD IS LIGHTNING HELIX, OOOOOOOOOOOHMYGODDDDD, OOOOOOOOOOOOOH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOD.
KurtSandford 4 months ago
What card did he draw? (im a beginner and i dont know old cards) can someone explain it to me? thanks =D
Apocatequillable 4 months ago
@Apocatequillable Lightning Helix (RW) Instant: Lightning Helix deals 3 damage to target creature or player and you gain 3 life
Epsilonsquad 4 months ago
@Apocatequillable: It's Lightning Helix.
SkillfulSwordsman 4 months ago
2:58 - 3:10 commentator sounds like he just jizzed in his pants
acocobar 4 months ago 2
@acocobar LMAO
paTROLLINGxD 4 months ago
its like i was facing jace 3.0 in a draft got 11 cards left he was going to kill me next turn but he was at 2 life and i needed the singel Chandra´s Outrage in the deck to kill him and one of his guys all around was getting syced and then i smash the chandra in the table and all just flipps out epic day that was !
warhammer1104 4 months ago
so why does bowling still get to be shown on ESPN or sports networks, but this doesnt?
bitchasswolfboy 4 months ago 2
@bitchasswolfboy ...yeah like he said :)
styxfan1983 4 months ago
2:32 overreaction of the century
axion419 5 months ago
@axion419 I have to assume (in order to be charitable towards you) that you don't understand Magic, or perhaps not the format that was being played that day. Jones could have held that Char, which would have lost him the game. He could have spent it on a creature, which would have just fed back into a losing blocking situation vs. Jitte. He did neither. He correctly saw his only remaining path to victory was Char now and a very low-prob. Helix next turn, and played for the win like a true pro.
nfinn42 5 months ago
@nfinn42 You're right, I don't understand Magic at all. I have never played it. I have no clue what is really going on in the video. Thank you for the explanation but even that was hard to follow. The guy's reaction just seemeda bit exaggerated.
axion419 5 months ago
@axion419 that's totally fine. you'll find us Magic geeks are typically very newbie friendly, so I wasn't trying to bite your head off. The reaction was perhaps a bit loud but then Brian-David Marshall IS a company employee so it's part of his job description to drum up enthusiasm for the game; perhaps a certain amount of his exuberance comes from that source, but I prefer to imagine that BDM is just a big ol' nerd like the rest of us. ^_^ I probably would have done the same, only louder!
nfinn42 5 months ago
put another way: baseball fans still tell stories of how Babe Ruth would point to a specific area of the bleachers occasionally and put a home run over that part. (This feat has been duplicated lots since, but back then it was new.) Imagine if instead he had predicted that the ball would fly into four pieces and knock out all the opposing basemen - WITH bases loaded - and then it actually happened exactly as he hoped it would? The above video is simply a one in a million moment.
nfinn42 5 months ago
Where can I watch more like this? Is there a site or something?
KingWhoShallReturn 5 months ago
I think he just had sex for the first time.
RideHard85 5 months ago
this is like the chess of card games i assume?
SwagMaster9000 5 months ago 58
@SwagMaster9000 sort of like a cross between chess and poker, actually. It has the grand strategy and "look ahead more moves than your opponent" aspect of chess, but it also has the "out-bluff and out-guess your opponent" and "be able to rapidly assess probabilities to deduce what your opponent's hand might be" aspects of poker. You need a mind like a supercomputer and a face like a stone wall to play at the level these guys do.
nfinn42 5 months ago
@nfinn42 Magic isn't anywhere close to poker strategy wise. In Magic, almost always, the most optimal play is obvious. Poker is a LOT more difficult to succeed in.
wiljoebob808 5 months ago
@wiljoebob808 which is why Chris Moneymaker was able to go from newbie to world series champ in a single run in 2003... sure. Whereas Magic players typically have to play for 2+ years before even the fastest learners among them develop the skills required to win Pro Tour level events. The optimal play is extremely hard to define in Magic since one isn't playing with the same card pool every game so it's not possible to develop a similarly-detailed analysis of hand probabilities. (cont'd...)
nfinn42 5 months ago
@wiljoebob808 If you looked into the top Magic players a bit you'd learn that several of them have made quite a bit of money playing Poker as well, such as Gabriel Nassif and Jon Finkel. The skill sets required to do well in the two games are similar enough that there is a high correlation between people who are able to consistently make MtG Grand Prix and Pro Tour day 2's, and people who top-table WPT events. And, just like Poker, MtG deals with its share of people who say "it's all luck"... :P
nfinn42 5 months ago
@nfinn42 Well, it is all luck, as a lot of it is response to what your opponent does. When you bluff, it's luck if your opponent believes it or doesn't believe it. Some skill, but it comes down to luck, like if you're an amazing super pro at magic, I could still beat you if I get an amazing draw and you draw 0 lands after mulling to like 3.
pkfighter343 4 months ago
@pkfighter343 yeah, but it's not about a single game. Over the course of many matches, each of which is 2-3 games, skill slowly wins out over luck. This is why a pro tour is typically 16 rounds of Swiss. To go 16-0, 15-1, or 14-1-1 with good breakers (the results typically needed to top 8 a big event), you need to play a minimum of 32 games of Magic and lose no more than 3 of them. That's simply not luck-based, which is why we see the same names on the Pro Tour over and over every year.
nfinn42 4 months ago
@nfinn42 That's not true. Going back to what I said earlier, against the players that are a bit better than you, that you should probably be losing against, it comes down to luck of the draw. For example, if one of them in this game had all of their grave titans and or other bombs at the bottom, it's pretty much insta loss. A lot of it does come down to luck. Another example: at an FNM my opponent had 8 life, 2 cards, I had a HoB, 1 token, a 2/2 with a flayer husk on it. I attacked and won.
pkfighter343 4 months ago
@nfinn42 If he had a lightning bolt, I wouldn't have won.
pkfighter343 4 months ago
@pkfighter343 And that is why you aren't on the pro tour.
otterk 3 months ago
@otterk Gee, maybe I haven't been playing since like the 3rd core set or some shit. Actually, I played casually from mirrodin - kamigawa, then started again around new phyrexia. So no shit, faggot.
pkfighter343 3 months ago
@pkfighter343 Someone has anger issues. Maybe that's why you're arguing with everyone. Sure, every card game will have luck, but in NO way can you attribute wins towards it. Sure, you may win a few games here or there due to luck, but I would bet that 99% of the time, the better player will win.
otterk 3 months ago
@otterk Sure as hell isn't me. I was providing emphasis. I'm not disagreeing with you, but luck plays a major factor in who wins as well. And, as in this case, it didn't matter at the end who was better. I'm just saying sure, good players win because they're good, but if they just get a few bad draws it can take matches from them, even if the other player is less experienced.
pkfighter343 3 months ago
@pkfighter343 which, again, is why the pro tour uses a huge amount of rounds. It eliminates the importance of random losses to bad luck. If Magic is luck based, why do we see the same faces over and over, year after year, on the Pro Tour? Unless you bring in some sort of conspiracy theory or believe in magical luck-granting leprechauns, that kind of blows your theory out of the water.
nfinn42 3 months ago
@nfinn42 Are you serious? I've been saying this all along. When it gets down to it, the two finalists will win due to luck, for the most part. You have no idea what your opponent will do, and how many rounds? 5-7? Luck will still win you the games. Good draws = Good luck
Bad draws = bad luck. It can happen more than once.
pkfighter343 3 months ago
@pkfighter343 A pro tour is typically three days. Days one and two each have eight rounds of swiss pairings, with eliminations between. After day two, top eight go into elimination brackets. You'd have learned this if you had bothered to use google. 16 rounds of best two out of three cuts down on the "bad draws" excuse.
And, again: if it is your contention that Magic is determined by luck, then what IS your alternate explanation for why we keep seeing the same players? Pixie dust? Cheats?
nfinn42 3 months ago
@nfinn42 You are completely oblivious. Do you even read my whole comment? I said when it goes down to it, the FINALS. THE FUCKING FINALS. There are something like 7 rounds. If they are about even in skill, 3 rounds to 3, then luck will determine the last game.
pkfighter343 3 months ago
@pkfighter343 so now you're changing your story. Originally you said it was "all luck". Now that that's been debunked, without conceding the point gracefully you've decided instead to just shift your stance and pretend you've been arguing the same point all along.
nfinn42 3 months ago
@nfinn42 Whatever. I meant that in this game, it was all luck.
pkfighter343 3 months ago
@nfinn42 no one could say it better
otterk 3 months ago
@otterk thank you :)
nfinn42 3 months ago
@SwagMaster9000 Yes, but a lot more rewarding.
thesnofjake 4 months ago
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@SwagMaster9000 Yes, but a lot more rewarding.
thesnofjake 4 months ago
@SwagMaster9000 Yes, but a lot more rewarding.
thesnofjake 4 months ago
@SwagMaster9000 almost, but the thing with magic is that there is always a random factor, whereas chess is pure skill
frostbiteinOhio 4 months ago
@SwagMaster9000 Yeah, with random elements (LOL).
SwecarinaTV 3 months ago
@SwagMaster9000 If chess involved expansion sets.
megaphone69 3 months ago
@SwagMaster9000 very much so
kwfsuperstar 2 months ago
Justin Wooooong! Oh my God!
...Oh, I'm sorry. I must be watching the wrong video. I think...
SmashBro415 5 months ago
@frenchizedboi ah, okay. i got it.
SandBarAndYou 5 months ago
@MrJayWHAT lololol u tool.... @Qwerty80808 is saying that the lightning helix card just won the guy $16k lolol.... Troll Fail
Thatsabam 5 months ago
@Qwerty80808 its not $16,000 its $3
MrJayWHAT 5 months ago
@MrJayWHAT You are so so stupid.
ThermoRage 5 months ago
@MrJayWHAT You obviously did not get the joke.
MichaelHall1989 5 months ago
Doesn't Craig need to play Lightning Helix before it does any damage?
SandBarAndYou 5 months ago
Flores: I tmight just have to char the hand of cruelty
Randy: Yea, but he's not gonna win that way.
In endgame magic, this is the biggest mistake bad players make. Gotta look for your outs. PLAY TO WIN LIKE RANDY SAYS!!!
StoneThrowingDevil 6 months ago
NERD RAGE!!!!
chronic1284 6 months ago
2:30
He just climaxed. lol.
Ugyboogy1 6 months ago
"If Ollie had attacked with all of his Rusalkas, blah blah blah. . ."
". . . doesn't Watchwolf just attack back at that point?"
You go, other dude.
themocaw 6 months ago
@mega227: Craig was in a terrible spot since, after Oliver's attack, he would lose the game next turn. He only had Char on his hand (4 damage to target and 2 damage to you) while his opponent had seven life. He decided to Char Oliver with the Char at the end of Oliver's turn, hoping to draw another burn spell from his deck. Oliver's life dropped down to three. Craig drew the card face up and revealed a Lightning Helix, which dealt three damage and won Craig the game.
apanapane 6 months ago 2
can someone explain to me what happened? im kinda new at this
mega227 7 months ago
~Craig sits down~ CRAIG IS JUMPING UP AND DOWN!
~Room gets quiet~ The crowd is going BALLISTIC!
xXAigisXx 7 months ago
These videos REALLY need to be in HD.
EGarrett01 7 months ago
i just came
joshmania7 7 months ago
guy on left looks like dwight lol
Cloud4235 7 months ago 4
My deck can destroy all. I just wish i had friends that still play this game.
ExploringProphecy 7 months ago
@ExploringProphecy Those two things are not a coincendence...
98smithg 6 months ago
Magic makes poker look like a generic card game.
iurhviusdfavhi 7 months ago 86
@iurhviusdfavhi I play poker also play MGT but trust me you'll never get more emotions with MTG than Poker Texas, MTG is just that A GAME , in poker you can lose your life your home your car all your money! even they can kill you and your family if you dont pay just in one hand! so please do not comment bullshit! ok? nerd?
BuBuluBueNo969 7 months ago
@BuBuluBueNo969 Yes. MTG is a GAME that makes poker look like a generic card game. Emotions aside, poker is a dull, boring game, compared with magic.
spottedsun 7 months ago
@BuBuluBueNo969 LMFAO. Poker is more hardcore because you can kill, HAHAHA. I'll stick to a safe, yet profiting hobby, thank you. Nerd?
ChvMx 7 months ago
@BuBuluBueNo969
ysomadbro?
Opeth291 7 months ago
@Opeth291 Im not mad dude, i'm just can't understand Why geeks say MTG it's better than Poker, poker has more Style, and class, or will you imagine James Bond in Casino Royale playing MTG?
BuBuluBueNo969 7 months ago
@BuBuluBueNo969 What exactly makes poker have "more style and class?"
monkeyman423 7 months ago
@BuBuluBueNo969 tts all about perception. Dude its only classy because that what it was perceived to be example James bond 1st one ever made and hes playing magic the gathering tux and a cigar now you think its all classy rather than a bunch of geeks as you call them playing .
allisterw9 7 months ago in playlist Magic the Gathering
@allisterw9 MR, you're the only guy who argument good, I also Play MTG and really like me but some dick face say its better than poker, both are just a game but uno had more than a century and is play in more equitative way! and had the same odds to win, and belive it or not, when you are preying for an Ace or just one card in the river to win the pot ... the rest of the world does not exist... that my friend is what I call exiting!
BuBuluBueNo969 7 months ago
@BuBuluBueNo969 i hear you lol...i'm just getting back into playing again and cant wait till i build my green/ artifact deck XD
allisterw9 7 months ago
@allisterw9 I got an old Black- Blue deck, because the first time i play I was 14yo, now I'm 22, and i have to performance! See ya'!
BuBuluBueNo969 7 months ago
@BuBuluBueNo969
just because you bet more on poker...
Really this argument is so fake...
play 15 000$ MTG game and you'll get the same emotion.
People prefer poker because they can bet more not because the game is more exciting. if that game was worth 9.6M like the world series of poker... probably the game would have been terribly different
alex5742 7 months ago
@iurhviusdfavhi It IS a generic card game.
DJCr0ssify 5 months ago
@iurhviusdfavhi im sorry but i play magic and i would way rather watch poker on tv
x6o4SaVagEx 5 months ago
@iurhviusdfavhi Yeah, too bad tens of millions play poker instead of MTG. THat's why magic prizes are paltry in comparison.
Kostly 3 months ago 2
poker for nerds...good game tho very addictive
Highway203 7 months ago
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"The crowd here has gone ballistic!"
(Near silence)
kirant 7 months ago
i like how he just drew a card by chance and every 1 goes apeshit as if he just ko'd tyson in his prime
TaylorOnTheMic 7 months ago 5
does he just use lightning helix then attack? or how did it help him win?
15thlemur 8 months ago
@15thlemur No. Char on the turn before deals 4 damage to Olivier and 2 to Craig, puts Craig to 1 and Olivier to 3. Lightning Helix is 3 more damage.
Shadmed2 8 months ago
@Shadmed2 ok i see thx
15thlemur 8 months ago
pain land I think its red green
powerup22 8 months ago
stomping ground temple garden sacred foundry and what is tha other land card craig has got in play can anyone tell me ? ;-;
2011eatmyshorts 8 months ago
@2011eatmyshorts its one of the pain lands I think its brush land
powerup22 8 months ago
@2011eatmyshorts Yeah definitely Brushland.
SHAuriscope 8 months ago
Jesus chryst O_o
Anatoly9 8 months ago
Nerdy voice, "He's not going to win that way!"
scsrhino 9 months ago
\o/ \o/ gruul decks are already obsolete i used to play this before, zoos often fails if someone plays u with one of those new &cheap mono-red burningcrap decks har har har!!
hummer8384 9 months ago
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hummer8384 9 months ago
I love the description of this video.
Aassymcass 9 months ago
Once again, I love Randy Buehler :) I miss him. Didn't he leave to work on gleemax or something? yuck
mkpfox 9 months ago
"If Oli just attacked with all of his rusalkas like we thought he would, that play would not have been possible"
They realize very quickly that Craig would still have won when drawing the Lightning Helix (2 red and 5 lands) by simply going down to 2 life during the attack, drawing the helix. Casting it. Going up to 5. THEN Charring Ruel.
Mcon12345 9 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BEST VIDEO EVER!
MrGlokster 9 months ago
can someone explain it to me? I do not really much understood it...
SkyaRuna 9 months ago
@SkyaRuna Alright, Olivier attacks for 3 and since his creatures have protection from white Craig can't chump block and his life goes to 3. Craig plays a Char EOT (Deals 4 damage to target opponent or creature [this case Olivier] and deals 2 damage to you [Craig]). So Craig is at 1 and Olivier at 3. Then Craig topdecks lightning helix which deals 3 damage to target creature or player and you gain 3 life.
Shadmed2 9 months ago
"the crowd here has gone ballistic!"
cricket* cricket*
dh144498 9 months ago
"Nooo.... He Char's Oli's face."
m4sterchef1 10 months ago
@TGAvelore Just cuz its nerdy, doesnt mean its not fun =-D
secondsleep 10 months ago
I don't get it. Lightning Helix makes you win the game when you play it? Sounds like a pretty cheap card to me : / ..
YouKnowThatYouDont 10 months ago
@YouKnowThatYouDont
No, he char'd for 4, leaving the opponent at 3, then he casted helix to deal 3 damage exactly. Out of probably 40 cards he beat a 1 in 10 chance. Nobody wants a one in ten chance to win a game.
MTGNoobma 10 months ago
@YouKnowThatYouDont
Lightning Helix deals 3 damage to target creature or player and you gain 3 life.
TheUnluckiestGamer 10 months ago
@YouKnowThatYouDont idiot
ThaCVirus 9 months ago
so is watching hobby videos on Youtube, THEN commenting negatively on them. :D
TheSleepChamber 10 months ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
you need to all get a life. go hang out with your family. get outside and feel the sunshine. apply some of your time to helping others. this is an escape.
TheOzskeptic 10 months ago
@TheOzskeptic So is watching hobby videos on Youtube, then commenting negatively. :D
TheSleepChamber 10 months ago 3
@TheOzskeptic Yeah, playing with our people in person is a real escape. GTFO
cheesychongle 10 months ago
@TheOzskeptic Some people need an escape. Not everyone focuses their life around Magic.
jjuggaloparkour 10 months ago
"you char the face and knock the top of your deck, that's the play" this is LEGENDARY!
GoodGameGarrison 10 months ago
is it bad if I want to know what decks they were playing?
FudderBudder 10 months ago
I liked lightning helix before this video, but now I HAVE to have four of them.
CharonYing 11 months ago
that guy who yells lightningt helic made my life
JakeBoarderr 11 months ago