I am an atheist, but god damn it Hindus are fucking awesome! Seriously, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM that have ever been asked a question on television I can relate to their answer!
@WakingLife55 It is because Atheism and Agnosticism have been historically present in India. For example, Buddhism and Jainism are Agnostic and Atheistic.
@WakingLife55 I am an atheist indian and I can tell you from cultural experience that Hinduism is very different from Judaio-Abrahamic religions. Hinduism is more a way of life than a religion. It can be viewed from mono-,poly-,non- and atheistic way. Similarly, Buddhism is non theistic. Shintoism is atheistic. The religions of the east are far far ahead of the judaio-abrahamic ones. Best of all, the eastern religions have little to say about or against science.
Its about time religion is ostracized and shunned as the absolute degenereative evil it is, and we can begin the century long and painful process of removing its clammy hands around all our throats. It wont be easy, but the alternative is holy world war 3, islam and x-ianity will not stop until the entire planet is dead. As a matter of fact, that scenario is preferable to both these faiths before "losing" the fight to become the only show in town.
The Hindu professor made a very honest and valid point, "In reality we are these, We are right and they are wrong but we won't get fussy about it at the moment and they will find out soon enough when they die." They is a very good point.
I believe that there should never be the one religion enforced as compulsory learning at school, unless that school is based around that religion i.e catholic schools. Countries such as the U.S.A, Australia, Canada, England etc. have stated in their consitutions that the government cannot be prejudice or prohibit the beliefs or worship of its people, so why would we teach the one religion(most commonly christianity) when it is not the unanimous religion. Other cultures need to be considered
This very existence of religious debate actually shows us how primitive human beings really are... In civilized (and I mean REALLY civilized, not pretentiously called civilized) society, this wont even be debatable. Religion would be simply ridiculed out of society...
@blueeagleTFL Secularism is not a religion seeing as its tenant is that government and other entities should be seperated from religion. Humanism in most forms is indeed a religion, that why secularists don't push it in the public square. So what's your point?
Secularism is a code of duty pertaining to this life, founded on considerations purely human, and intended mainly for those who find theology indefinite or inadequate, unreliable or unbelievable. Its essential principles are three: (1) The improvement of this life by material means. (2) That science is the available Providence of man. (3) That it is good to do good. Whether there be other good or not, the good of the present life is good, and it is good to seek that good.
@blueeagleTFL What you are talking about is secular humanism which is a variant on humanism as a whole. The secular element is not a religion on its own.
@blueeagleTFL Hey bro, that's cool. My point is that I want a secular school system, not because I want my religion thaught, but rather none in specific. My kids need not be indoctrinated and neither should yours.
(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
how does either secularism (the belief supernatural=fiction) or humanism (the belief that man should strive for the well being of mankind) fit either of these definitions?
I like how Dawkins at 05:11 is looking nonchalantly at his shoes, as if thinking to himself, "These guys are all num nuts, beating around the bush and not directing their words at any singular idea, bollocks!!!".
The Abrahamic faiths all have this in common, they are all exclusivist. They all feel that they have a special relationship with god. With Seiks it is totally different..." classic...
I love that the Hindu was the only religious person there who made a point about "tolerance" really being tolerating those other wrong, annoying religions. Hinduism is the most open religion in the world. Just about anything goes. It's really a humanist religion.
Catholic females are the biggest slappa's in the world, because they are repressed and told sex is wrong they shag like rabbits......good for me...lmao
@aftaab007 ...I bet your a muslim male......you cunts treat DOGS better then women..when you say Muslim women are slapp's you mean you girlfriend or wife actually made eye contact with another man...SHOCK HORROR....shut the fuck up....Muslim women are treated like total shit by you barbaric muslim men....its YOU muslim men that are the SLAPPA'S....its fine for you to shag about with who you like and your women are expected to just deal with it, if they do then you KILL them....your SCUM.
religion brings peace to st paul? funny then that it didnt bring much peace to belfast, lebannon, palestine, bosnia. Toosy you firmly believe religion has everything but you actually know fuck all. your a prime example of the term brainwashed and i would consider you a very dangerous mentally retarded human being. Primarily because your fixed stance on everyone outside your belief system being ignorant. Do me a favour if religion is so important to us all.... convince me to believe in god !
So faith is divisive... Of course, Jesus came not to make peace but division, because He brought the truth. Jesus is the only way, and other religions like Islam are false. Everyone has to know this, but i think i would put the obligation on the parents and not the school to teach religion
That Bishop is a moron! He says that, because the UK was founded as a "christian nation" that it should lean toward Christianity and then trust that they will be fair to everyone else.
that catholic girl said the most stupid thing, because she goes to a faith school she gets taught morals and that she should respect other people. you learn that in every school and even before you go to school, its nothing to do with faith.
Did anyone else notice that the kid that went to the catholic school said that children with parents of other faiths were "still people at the end of the day, despite their faith." Does that not suggest her experience in a faith school has labeled children raised outside the catholic church as outsiders?
@DauntlessNullifidian I noticed, I always wonder how faith schools talk about science. I have met quite a few children that have gone to faith schools or had religion very strongly taught and while they tend to be very understanding of other religion they don't tend to be very accepting of non religious people.
@schul5ka The problem is a church that spends so much time denying and suppressing science is ill-equipped to teach it. Can a young-earth creationist teach geology or evolution? Some schools are worse than others, but religious schools push bronze-age myths that cannot stand up to scrutiny. Very few religious schools will teach science well, and even then it is in spite of their dogma.
@DauntlessNullifidian all the religious school i know of teach science..maybe the religious school u went to did'nt. i will encourage all religious school to teach science.. do u think there were know science during the stone age period u are refering to? one of jesus desciple was a medical doctor...thre are talks of doctors in the Bible..the old testament speaks of washing of hands to prevent away germs. is this not science?
@DauntlessNullifidian That hit me the second she said it. And its true. I've been in a catholic high school for 2 years now and they do have a rather sinister agenda, particularily with their "religion" classes that are mandatory being basically apologist indoctrination classes.
Religion only divide...if you choose to believe in fairy tales you should do it in private and not impose your believes in others....by law all schools should be non religious the same way the goverment is (or should be) non religious afiliated..let everyone decide based on family or live experience and not by indoctrination
@eap8317 think about it. people have to be divided to know the good from the bad..Mix all apple in one basket and see what u get....rotten as well as good. there are two ways & no way around it: the right way & the wrong way..somebody has to be wrong.We are not perfect.its in the bible & its true. we humans are always wrong that is why we are always measuring up. If we predict a rainy day & there is no rain...who is wrong? we or the weather?
@TheToosy 1st u r advocating 4 discrimination based on religious believes, & that is wrong. 2nd The bible is 1 way of many to see the world...not mine! 3rd If the weather turns out different from what we expected then we have to accept that some things change & we at present have little or no control over them..your comment shows that you have no knowlegde about how the weather is predicted..read more, investigate, & you will find out how the world works instead of rellying on a dated old book!
@eap8317 i have no knowledge of how the weather is predicted...i don't have to know..one thing is that whenever thier prediction turns out wrong, they do not speak of the weather being wrong.
@eap8317 I completely agree except I do think all religion and I mean ALL should be studied. That way kids are exposed to it and understand it and can therefore make up their own mind, I mean in Sweden theyre taught all religions in school and Swedens population is 85% athiestic/agnostic.
@IGNsucks Agree, but the study of all religions should be as a history/philosophy teaching, not the practice of those religions. Religions should be relegated to dated philosophical ways to explain the world in days when humans didn't have much technology or understanding of how the world& the universe really works
@rangergxi the main ones........you dont learn the history of every single tribe in every single region of the world that existed at any time in the past..........samething with religion taught as history.........many religions can be condensed into a single especially since most say the exact samething except with different circumstances and names.
@eap8317 That's a great idea, but they (religion) won't be able to make any money! You seem to have forgotten the main purpose of religion. It's a gold mine.
i dont believe in any gods, if you want to label me then atheist is close i suppose. i was raised in the catholic faith. and during our christenings we are told that we are being welcomed into a group, a comunity, a family. we can have a place to come for help, for hope and for support. this family had more emphasis on support and love from each other than it did from god. my point is that we should be accepted into the comunity, family etc not because of god.
but becuase of the social importance of comunity. religion found a way to stick its hand into the pocket of the comuniy spirit and offered what was already there to begin with. some people get comfort from religion, when really the support comes from the comunity. god has nothing to do with any of it.
@paulblackpb u are wrong sir/madame. organize a system without a religion and i will have my god base system; which one will thrive better..a living eg. the public school system in the united states have banned the bible & all forms of religion...they have the most qualified teachers & more money..Yet they are worst than the christian schools. Parents so despise the public school that they take their children & homeschool them. Public school teachers send thir children to christian schools.
@TheToosy I think you will find that god only exists because of belief. the very foundation of religion is based on faith which is belief without proof. as opposed to basing something on knowledge and evidence. Religion is so rooted in hypocracy its undeniably bullshit. for example in court we are made to swear on a book, the same book if it were presented at court it would be thrown out of court for lack of evidence. Believe in god if you want and i will reserve my opinion that your dumb.
@paulblackpb u bring up an interesting point. why will they swear on a book to administer justice when they know the book is full of falsehood.? The fact is they know that the wisdom in that book supersedes all other. Courts can not make u to swear on science book, because science depends on something that already exists to explain.. Scientists predicts 7 named hurricane from the atlantic...if 2 or no storms comes out. they will revise their number they will not say the hurricane was wrong.
@TheToosy what is all this nonsense about hurricanes being wrong. you try to prove the existence of god by inacuracies of the weather forecast men. people swear on a bible in court because religion as a policing tool predates police themselves. people will (allegedly) tell the truth for fear of god. its a way to manipulate weaker minds that is still used today. Using the bible to prove god is like using lord of the rings to prove the existence of goblins. religion = cowardly weak mindset. = you
@paulblackpb those who put religion against science like u are pathetic. science answers the hows while religion answers the why. there is no provision in science that tells one how to live a life of happiness. science deal with the material world...u will definitely argue that meeting ones economic & social needs will solve all his problems. if that was the case then our country would be one of the most peaceful , less crime , places in the world.
@TheToosy I would like to point out that your both your spelling and grammar is appaling. If this is a reflection of what you refer to as a christian school education then you may want to change schools or country. I was educated in a catholic school and I think your point about quality of education based on religion is innacurate, idealistic, misled and very much based on your preconception that all things christian are better than all things not.
@paulblackpb gramma & spelling have nothing to do with what i'm trying to convey..u understand what i'm saying so end of story..it is not a perception it is true ..christians behave & perform better 'cause of their faith. just like u you spell better than me because u went to a better school. The fact still remains: If u atheist claim to be the most enlightened, & informed..why are u not better off?
why are'nt religious people fleeing to the secular establishment for refuge...?
@TheToosy very seldom we hear of someone leaving the church for a better life. some places of St. Paul where i live u wouldnt dare set foot there were it not for a church. even the atheists can breathe a sigh of relief walking down that avenue.
i live in the badlands, all efforts by the police department to control the drug market & gang activity failed..but once street preaching and christianity began to spread evil fled. former gansters rather turn their weapons to the church
@paulblackpb if religious people in large numbers were leaving churches ..etc and fleeing to the secular establishment...i too will abandon my faith & come to yor side
(i know how to spell your, but because of space). but doing so at this time is like leaving a winning team to join a losing team?
@TheToosy In saying that you prove that you just go along with the crowd. right or wrong. you are afraid of not being with the majority. you truly do yourself no favours when it comes to defending your arguement. Anyway, if you believe in god than thats your business but i dont have to respect that. I was raised in a very strict catholic genre and believe me religious people are by no means better than non religious. religion breeds arrogance and non acceptance of those opposed to it.
@paulblackpb the wanted by the police in chester PA began to surrender themselves to churches...signaling that there was some hope in the church..they could have turned in themselves to the red cross or some secular instittion, but they chose not to. Most people find religion while theyre in jail.
@paulblackpb GO IS REAL..& yor believing in him is something else..our belief has nothing do do with nothing anyway..whether we believe it or not, what is is what is and what will be is what will be? Many people believed they would not die from cancer and they're dead..The existence of God is not predicted upon our belief.
The question is and dont get me wrong I am an atheist, what does teach childeren to be religious and what does teach childeren to be not religios. Is it the actual experience of the religion or is it talking about religion or is it the impossing of the religion or what and what age makes childeren make there mind up. Does interaction with other religons with eachother for a basis for building a childs cultural and religios backround???
the fucking mediator is interferring with the debate too much. He is sticking to procedure too much to the point that he's obstructing this debate to get anywhere and any good points to be made
wonderful vid..dawkins is brilliant...religion is a PERSONAL experience..it does not exist in OUR reality..let your minds evolve..do not teach your children what you do not know yourself, that is very dangerous, history is the proof
I personally like where Dawkins comes from in this debate. By labeling a child "Christian", "Muslim", ect.. is a cruel thing to do. The child will (more than likely) come to view other religions as a type of taboo. Grant it, some (like myself) will be motivated to look into other religions because they were brought up in a certain faith, but I think we all know that tends to be unlikely and only if the person is rational enough to listen.
Wow you really are like 5 Germany lost, because there leader was not fit, also this is the internet, you dont tell people that you don't like there tone of voice, so go fuck your self
faith high schools, faith universities, faith master's degree, Christian engineer, Muslim dentist, New Age physicist, Buddhist chemist...
Schools were Christian because to make school you need money and in the past money were where Church was. Fortunately Church is slightly less influential politically now.
allah means god. And you're a fucking dumbass, they look evil? Rednecks are generally christian, they look absurd and fucking stupid, where's the improvement?
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i know allah means god and i called him a fag u bitch, i rather sit next to a redneck on the bus then a fuckin terrorist sand nigger who has an ugly beard and a rapist.. all muslims are rapist and honor killers
Bashing someones "god" doesn't make you right in any way, you just look like a retard.
Try having an argument with a christian and start of saying "Jesus is a fag". I bet you won't go far with that discussion. They block it out, the second you "harass" their god, you've lost the argument.
5:15 - Richard Dawkins checks out his shoes since no one really seems to care to hear his opinion unfortunately lol. this is the problem with these debates: they bring in a secular atheistic representative who has completely valid points, only to sit in their chair and listen in...
The seat of your "consciousness" (which, by the way is just a collection of electrochemical reactions,) is your brain, this can be proven very simply by thinking about various things while monitored by an electroencephalogram. I doubt you truly know what a dimension is, people like you just throw the word around to add a pseudo-scientific feel to what is really just nonsense you picked up from some fringe media.
I am atheist (perhaps even anti-theist) but you are stating things of which you have no knowledge.
Things are not that black and white you fool - see the Muslim girl in part 2 of this program and ask yourself if she wants to 'kill all non-believers'.
Of course not, but she is clearly Muslim.
Do you know the footballer Nicholas Anelka? He is a devout Muslim - does he want to kill all of his team mates and the supporters who adore him? No.
Your argument about girl, not wanting to kill non-believer is the best argument, that supports atheism. You don't need to be religious person to be a good one.
Too bad, that Buddhism is mostly regarded as a religion, but I most of it's teachings are what Utopian society would need to be following. No worshiping, just learning to be better as human.
don't call me a fool about something you don't know about. That so called girl has probably never read or understood the hadith or the quran and believe me you deffo won't fit in there world.
Have a look and see all the muslims countries of the world do you see freedom for non muslims? they are not even allowed to have there own religious place of worship, yet in the uk they have over 2000 moques.
We were talking about freedom for non muslims in muslim countries. Turkey is a country where there is freedom for non muslims. How about Kazakhstan. Just because some Muslims countries don't give freedoms doesn't mean all of them don't. I won't call you a fool here as you called me at the end of your statement because I can have a civil conversation.
There are many majority Christian countries who allow freedom of religion inside their borders. Some examples are ALL OF THEM. Should they too be applauded for "tolerating" this basic human right?
I am no Christian either- I am just using them as an example.
As far as I know freedom of religion is in every majorty Islamic country. Even in countries like Afghanistan are minorty buddhists and Christians. The fact is Islam teaches peacefull co-existence with other religions, but the people do not want to follow that part. Because the population sees them as traitors are invaders etc.
As far as I know there no Christian theocratie countries, most of them are secular so you have no point there.
"Islam teaches peacefull co-existence with other religions, but the people do not want to follow that part. Because the population sees them as traitors are invaders etc."
So you admit that the majority of people from the primary region of Islam have corrupted it. Does that message make it any easier to swallow? No. Moral believers need to reform it before it can recover it's rightful place as a religion of peace. Theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran (etc.) will not allow this. Now what?
"As far as I know there no Christian theocratie countries, most of them are secular so you have no point there."
And there you have it- the reason why Christian countries USUALLY have more peaceful religious circumstances. Any kind of Theocracy is the heart of the problem. Highly questionable, 1000+ year old books should not govern nations, and that is the bottom line.
jospeh, You have to look at it this way. many leaders of theocracy's or dictatorships etc. use religion and politics etc. to support their own agenda. I do believe most of the leaders of Theocracy's are corrupted indeed. Because the aren't following one of the mainparts of Islam which is love and peace.
Your point of not using a book of 1000+ years as a pillar of governance. Because if we look at democracy it's from 550BC.
"I do believe most of the leaders of Theocracy's are corrupted indeed."
The holiest sites in Islam are within a Theocracy, so how can anything possibly improve if we can't even get THAT right?
"Your point of not using a book of 1000+ years as a pillar of governance. Because if we look at democracy it's from 550BC."
Democracy could have existed from the beginning of time- my point is that it is FLEXIBLE, while a theocracy clearly is not. That is why no Theocratic nation can ever truly be happy.
So I guess you ment religious books because otherwise that would make no sense.
Well, religion and politics is a hard subject to discuss about because it's so wide and complex. everyone has a diffrent opinion about it. Because I as a Muslim feel happy in a theocracy and you would like to live in a state which supports your morals and believes. So I believe discussing this point would be pointless and meaningless.
"So I guess you ment religious books because otherwise that would make no sense."
Why not? My nation isn't governed by a "Book of Democracy" it relies on a SECULAR Constitution written in 1776. We have adjusted it numerous times to adhere to modern society. On top of that I didn't just say 1000+ year old books, I said HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE 1000+ year old books; as in- most likely NOT the word of god in the first place based on evidence but instead the corrupted word of ancient man.
"Well, religion and politics is a hard subject to discuss about because it's so wide and complex."
They wouldn't be so complex if they weren't so intertwined in your world.
"everyone has a diffrent opinion about it. "
If that was true then Theocracies would not exist because sensible people would uprise. Most people have been brainwashed and that's why they devote their entire lives to fearing an imaginary god.
"feel happy in a theocracy"
You admit that its corrupt yet you are happy. Wow.
I really feel like talking to a 10-year old. I never said that Theocracy's where corrupt, I said some leaders of a Theocracy are corrupt. Like some leaders of a Democracy or any other idealogy is or can be corrupt, but that persons does not make the idealogy itself corrupt, which looks like common sense to me.
You are misquoting me. I said diffrent people have difrent opinions about religions and politics not( theoc.) But a Muslim bases their opinion on their believe which is Islam.
Odd response but ok- go ahead and talk to a 10 year old Im not stopping you.
"I said some leaders of a Theocracy are corrupt."
Actually you said MOST leaders, and here is the exact quote:
"I do believe most of the leaders of Theocracy's are corrupted indeed."
Based on that, simple deductive reasoning reveals that Theocracies are easily corrupt-able, and are therefore the heart of the problem. Do I really need to explain this any further?
"I said diffrent people have difrent opinions about religions and politics not( theoc.) But a Muslim bases their opinion on their believe which is Islam."
Ah, so you admit that this "opinion" is merely the result of fully buying into a book, based partly on the torah, handed down generation after generation, that was orally recited to begin with and finally written down by truly questionable (yet un-questionable according to itself) sources over 1000 years ago?
Actually , there is no freedom in Turkey. Ethnic Christians cannot teach freely but must have their teachings "edited." Turkey doesn't allow the Encyclopedia Britannica for example because of its "Christian Bias" Any more info online- just google it.
@wellhard11 christians were in turkey cuz of the roman empire . look in the history and see who was there before the romans . the reall people of turkey became muslims . and made it and islamic country.ti now there is jew and christians and muslims in turkey that get alon and no fights or killing each othere like how it is in arabic countrys. thats what we need . geting alone keep your faith i keep mine and we can all get alone.
if these muslims ever got a majority power hold in this country they would start doing the things you say the dnt. do you like the taliban and what they stand for? that is the true face of Islam not what some ignorant person like you think read history books about the death of millions for not converting to islam ..your the fool not me so get your facts right before you write crap.. and it is death if you leave the religion thats a fact.....
you have to ask your self why sihk and hindu folk have been living here for years with no problems and the muslims are always singled out i'll tell you why! sikhs and hindus aren't trying to convert everyone to there beliefs through violence and brain washing
That minister or whatever the hell he is, is a fascist moron and nothing else.
As religious person I have to admit people like him, which probably ARE the majority of active religious people, make it extremely hard to make any case for religion. Religion as it actually predominandly exists does not deserve to be conserved, especially not with public founding.
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Parents have the right to decide for their children in what faith they should be taught.The children will get their dependance when they don't have to rely on their parents for welfare.Tolerance is a necessary principle of eachothers religions, but Britain has a Christian culture that was highly positive and the liberal view is to tear down everthing that was british.That is highly why the Monarchy is always complained about being unnecessary in a secular country.
Razzer321 thats the first step to brainwashing the minds of children. If u lable your kids into a faith, later in life they won't question the faith, they will claim that the faith is right,correct, and all non-believers should be vaporized. You should just show your kid love,and point out that violence is wrong and etc. u don't have to brainwash em into a faith so they gets moral standards.
Yes,But you say brainwashing and say teaching eternal values of God.Now if you teach children, in the manner that is fit for for you and your understanding.Then isn't it right when they become of age that eventually they will choose their path in life.
They have freedom of choice.But they have to be taught according to what you see fit.The children have a mind of their own and will sooner use their agency to make their choices for themselves.
No because they don't start from the freedom of choice. How can you not see that you're point doesn't go well. If the parents lable the children into religion then they did not get to have the freedom of choice later in life, because they got forced into one path direcly from their birth, no I do not consider that as a freedom of choice.
What if the parents religion or beliefs include physically harming the child? Some religions believe that their young girls can be married off to grown men..some believe that it is ok to cut up their childrens sexual organs.. Here in America they remove a newborn baby boy's foreskin from his penis..he will have to live with that even when and if he grows up and does not share his parents faith..Also there are some who believe if a child rejects their belief they can be killed.
I am an atheist, but god damn it Hindus are fucking awesome! Seriously, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM that have ever been asked a question on television I can relate to their answer!
WakingLife55 3 months ago 9
@WakingLife55 It is because Atheism and Agnosticism have been historically present in India. For example, Buddhism and Jainism are Agnostic and Atheistic.
rahsum 3 months ago
@WakingLife55 I am an atheist indian and I can tell you from cultural experience that Hinduism is very different from Judaio-Abrahamic religions. Hinduism is more a way of life than a religion. It can be viewed from mono-,poly-,non- and atheistic way. Similarly, Buddhism is non theistic. Shintoism is atheistic. The religions of the east are far far ahead of the judaio-abrahamic ones. Best of all, the eastern religions have little to say about or against science.
TejasM14 1 month ago
religion must die for mankind to live!
TheDimdum 3 months ago
You know shit is about to go down when the Hindu guy takes off his glasses D:
CharlieGMusic 5 months ago
Jonathan Dimbleby looks like Bilbo Baggins.
wardy2294 5 months ago
Guy in orange seems like if Richard Dawkins was a Hindu, even down to taking off his glasses :)
crazytosh1 6 months ago
Its about time religion is ostracized and shunned as the absolute degenereative evil it is, and we can begin the century long and painful process of removing its clammy hands around all our throats. It wont be easy, but the alternative is holy world war 3, islam and x-ianity will not stop until the entire planet is dead. As a matter of fact, that scenario is preferable to both these faiths before "losing" the fight to become the only show in town.
facepalmization 6 months ago 2
The Hindu professor made a very honest and valid point, "In reality we are these, We are right and they are wrong but we won't get fussy about it at the moment and they will find out soon enough when they die." They is a very good point.
retropancakeful 7 months ago 2
I believe that there should never be the one religion enforced as compulsory learning at school, unless that school is based around that religion i.e catholic schools. Countries such as the U.S.A, Australia, Canada, England etc. have stated in their consitutions that the government cannot be prejudice or prohibit the beliefs or worship of its people, so why would we teach the one religion(most commonly christianity) when it is not the unanimous religion. Other cultures need to be considered
BuddhaChrist13 7 months ago
This very existence of religious debate actually shows us how primitive human beings really are... In civilized (and I mean REALLY civilized, not pretentiously called civilized) society, this wont even be debatable. Religion would be simply ridiculed out of society...
Drago19930713 7 months ago
The priest needs to pull his pants down. Then we could hear him more clearly from his ass.
myironlungca 8 months ago
Secularism and humanism is a religion too, but the laws are man made.
blueeagleTFL 9 months ago
@blueeagleTFL Secularism is not a religion seeing as its tenant is that government and other entities should be seperated from religion. Humanism in most forms is indeed a religion, that why secularists don't push it in the public square. So what's your point?
AJBuwalda 8 months ago
@AJBuwalda
Secularism is a code of duty pertaining to this life, founded on considerations purely human, and intended mainly for those who find theology indefinite or inadequate, unreliable or unbelievable. Its essential principles are three: (1) The improvement of this life by material means. (2) That science is the available Providence of man. (3) That it is good to do good. Whether there be other good or not, the good of the present life is good, and it is good to seek that good.
blueeagleTFL 8 months ago
@blueeagleTFL What you are talking about is secular humanism which is a variant on humanism as a whole. The secular element is not a religion on its own.
AJBuwalda 8 months ago
@AJBuwalda My point is I believe in God!!!
ISM'S ARE BULLSHIT
blueeagleTFL 8 months ago
@blueeagleTFL Hey bro, that's cool. My point is that I want a secular school system, not because I want my religion thaught, but rather none in specific. My kids need not be indoctrinated and neither should yours.
AJBuwalda 8 months ago
Religion
(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
how does either secularism (the belief supernatural=fiction) or humanism (the belief that man should strive for the well being of mankind) fit either of these definitions?
manidontgiveafuck 7 months ago
I'd ask her why she keeps saying 'like' ? Silly little bitch.
HeadieMung 9 months ago
when that indian guy took off his glasses i thought he was dawkins for a second hahaha
Digzy101 10 months ago
MY god Killed you god . pray to my god or burn !
sexyxrs 10 months ago
9:07am Monday (PST) - Time in Los Angeles, CA
GelandnaleG 1 year ago
7:17pm Sunday (CST) - Time in MississippiJ
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7:17pm Sunday (CST) - Time in MississippiJ
GelandnaleG 1 year ago
7:17pm Sunday (CST) - Time in Mississippi
WHATDOYOUTHINK
GelandnaleG 1 year ago
her sister is hot.
BLUEC0RE 1 year ago
I like how Dawkins at 05:11 is looking nonchalantly at his shoes, as if thinking to himself, "These guys are all num nuts, beating around the bush and not directing their words at any singular idea, bollocks!!!".
skyridge6192 1 year ago 5
@skyridge6192 Yeah, every single person on this rediculous panel just gave broad ideas. Dawkins asked specific questions... and got no answers.
spiderpig85 10 months ago
Haha, that Hindu guy is a badass XD
ROTFLxLAWL 1 year ago
@ROTFLxLAWL "I don't eat meat, but I can kick your ass"
rangergxi 11 months ago 2
3:04 , end of commercial break
nattybro92 1 year ago 3
God is santa claus for adults.
funkyleaf 1 year ago 2
The Abrahamic faiths all have this in common, they are all exclusivist. They all feel that they have a special relationship with god. With Seiks it is totally different..." classic...
orarkcray 1 year ago
I love that the Hindu was the only religious person there who made a point about "tolerance" really being tolerating those other wrong, annoying religions. Hinduism is the most open religion in the world. Just about anything goes. It's really a humanist religion.
paulineprojectlove 1 year ago 2
Catholic females are the biggest slappa's in the world, because they are repressed and told sex is wrong they shag like rabbits......good for me...lmao
Deadlybrit 1 year ago
@Deadlybrit uh dead wrong the muslim females are the biggest slappa's in the world
aftaab007 1 year ago
@aftaab007 ...I bet your a muslim male......you cunts treat DOGS better then women..when you say Muslim women are slapp's you mean you girlfriend or wife actually made eye contact with another man...SHOCK HORROR....shut the fuck up....Muslim women are treated like total shit by you barbaric muslim men....its YOU muslim men that are the SLAPPA'S....its fine for you to shag about with who you like and your women are expected to just deal with it, if they do then you KILL them....your SCUM.
Deadlybrit 1 year ago 2
screw this, i'm gonna watch south park..
MrWaddefak 1 year ago 2
religion brings peace to st paul? funny then that it didnt bring much peace to belfast, lebannon, palestine, bosnia. Toosy you firmly believe religion has everything but you actually know fuck all. your a prime example of the term brainwashed and i would consider you a very dangerous mentally retarded human being. Primarily because your fixed stance on everyone outside your belief system being ignorant. Do me a favour if religion is so important to us all.... convince me to believe in god !
paulblackpb 1 year ago
Continues at 3:12
Khyrid 1 year ago
So faith is divisive... Of course, Jesus came not to make peace but division, because He brought the truth. Jesus is the only way, and other religions like Islam are false. Everyone has to know this, but i think i would put the obligation on the parents and not the school to teach religion
HullSerb 1 year ago
That Bishop is a moron! He says that, because the UK was founded as a "christian nation" that it should lean toward Christianity and then trust that they will be fair to everyone else.
SELFISH MORONS!!
gary031183 1 year ago
hindu guy hit the nail on the head
COSMICSMI2LE 1 year ago 11
that catholic girl said the most stupid thing, because she goes to a faith school she gets taught morals and that she should respect other people. you learn that in every school and even before you go to school, its nothing to do with faith.
LowleyUK 1 year ago
Don´t preach in my school and I won´t think in your church
yatter1 1 year ago 3
Fool, don't call people fools. Learn Ad Hominem fallacy and join the legion of gentlemen.
iTroglobite 1 year ago
why cant muslims build a mosque in the vatican city
bapz14 1 year ago
Actually, put religious ideals in philosophy class.
TheMattanAge 1 year ago
I noticed the muslim doctor didnt say what to punishment for apostasy was
AndrewTerry1992 1 year ago 2
Religion should only be teached about in history class.
ijves 1 year ago
Dimbleby is possibly the best moderator I've ever seen in a debate of this sort. The man has the event fully in control.
Kaisharga 1 year ago
This country does not have a Christian culture, it is recovering form one. Shove Chistianity.
Tazer05 1 year ago
@Tazer05 It was founded on secularism I believe.
asargentb 1 year ago
Hindu guy makes the best point of the night!
Tazer05 1 year ago 5
lol religion.
J0RDSKI 1 year ago
Huh... Bishops mouth is opening, words come out from it, but he actually says nothing. I wonder how he does it?
Helltamirre 1 year ago 6
Did anyone else notice that the kid that went to the catholic school said that children with parents of other faiths were "still people at the end of the day, despite their faith." Does that not suggest her experience in a faith school has labeled children raised outside the catholic church as outsiders?
DauntlessNullifidian 1 year ago 76
@DauntlessNullifidian I noticed, I always wonder how faith schools talk about science. I have met quite a few children that have gone to faith schools or had religion very strongly taught and while they tend to be very understanding of other religion they don't tend to be very accepting of non religious people.
schul5ka 1 year ago
@schul5ka The problem is a church that spends so much time denying and suppressing science is ill-equipped to teach it. Can a young-earth creationist teach geology or evolution? Some schools are worse than others, but religious schools push bronze-age myths that cannot stand up to scrutiny. Very few religious schools will teach science well, and even then it is in spite of their dogma.
DauntlessNullifidian 1 year ago
@DauntlessNullifidian all the religious school i know of teach science..maybe the religious school u went to did'nt. i will encourage all religious school to teach science.. do u think there were know science during the stone age period u are refering to? one of jesus desciple was a medical doctor...thre are talks of doctors in the Bible..the old testament speaks of washing of hands to prevent away germs. is this not science?
TheToosy 1 year ago
@DauntlessNullifidian That hit me the second she said it. And its true. I've been in a catholic high school for 2 years now and they do have a rather sinister agenda, particularily with their "religion" classes that are mandatory being basically apologist indoctrination classes.
Reghedable 4 months ago
Religion only divide...if you choose to believe in fairy tales you should do it in private and not impose your believes in others....by law all schools should be non religious the same way the goverment is (or should be) non religious afiliated..let everyone decide based on family or live experience and not by indoctrination
eap8317 2 years ago 51
@eap8317 think about it. people have to be divided to know the good from the bad..Mix all apple in one basket and see what u get....rotten as well as good. there are two ways & no way around it: the right way & the wrong way..somebody has to be wrong.We are not perfect.its in the bible & its true. we humans are always wrong that is why we are always measuring up. If we predict a rainy day & there is no rain...who is wrong? we or the weather?
TheToosy 1 year ago
@TheToosy 1st u r advocating 4 discrimination based on religious believes, & that is wrong. 2nd The bible is 1 way of many to see the world...not mine! 3rd If the weather turns out different from what we expected then we have to accept that some things change & we at present have little or no control over them..your comment shows that you have no knowlegde about how the weather is predicted..read more, investigate, & you will find out how the world works instead of rellying on a dated old book!
eap8317 1 year ago
@eap8317 i have no knowledge of how the weather is predicted...i don't have to know..one thing is that whenever thier prediction turns out wrong, they do not speak of the weather being wrong.
TheToosy 1 year ago
@eap8317 I completely agree except I do think all religion and I mean ALL should be studied. That way kids are exposed to it and understand it and can therefore make up their own mind, I mean in Sweden theyre taught all religions in school and Swedens population is 85% athiestic/agnostic.
IGNsucks 1 year ago
@IGNsucks Agree, but the study of all religions should be as a history/philosophy teaching, not the practice of those religions. Religions should be relegated to dated philosophical ways to explain the world in days when humans didn't have much technology or understanding of how the world& the universe really works
eap8317 1 year ago
@eap8317 Yeah thats what i meant, it should be taught as literature or history and not as scripture.
IGNsucks 1 year ago
@IGNsucks All 30,000 sects of christianity and all the small african and Aboriginal religions?
rangergxi 11 months ago
@rangergxi the main ones........you dont learn the history of every single tribe in every single region of the world that existed at any time in the past..........samething with religion taught as history.........many religions can be condensed into a single especially since most say the exact samething except with different circumstances and names.
IGNsucks 11 months ago
@eap8317 That's a great idea, but they (religion) won't be able to make any money! You seem to have forgotten the main purpose of religion. It's a gold mine.
buddybleau 6 months ago
christian dude got shited on in this debate
ripeoldman 2 years ago 4
i dont believe in any gods, if you want to label me then atheist is close i suppose. i was raised in the catholic faith. and during our christenings we are told that we are being welcomed into a group, a comunity, a family. we can have a place to come for help, for hope and for support. this family had more emphasis on support and love from each other than it did from god. my point is that we should be accepted into the comunity, family etc not because of god.
paulblackpb 2 years ago 6
but becuase of the social importance of comunity. religion found a way to stick its hand into the pocket of the comuniy spirit and offered what was already there to begin with. some people get comfort from religion, when really the support comes from the comunity. god has nothing to do with any of it.
paulblackpb 2 years ago 3
@paulblackpb u are wrong sir/madame. organize a system without a religion and i will have my god base system; which one will thrive better..a living eg. the public school system in the united states have banned the bible & all forms of religion...they have the most qualified teachers & more money..Yet they are worst than the christian schools. Parents so despise the public school that they take their children & homeschool them. Public school teachers send thir children to christian schools.
TheToosy 1 year ago
@TheToosy I think you will find that god only exists because of belief. the very foundation of religion is based on faith which is belief without proof. as opposed to basing something on knowledge and evidence. Religion is so rooted in hypocracy its undeniably bullshit. for example in court we are made to swear on a book, the same book if it were presented at court it would be thrown out of court for lack of evidence. Believe in god if you want and i will reserve my opinion that your dumb.
paulblackpb 1 year ago
@paulblackpb u bring up an interesting point. why will they swear on a book to administer justice when they know the book is full of falsehood.? The fact is they know that the wisdom in that book supersedes all other. Courts can not make u to swear on science book, because science depends on something that already exists to explain.. Scientists predicts 7 named hurricane from the atlantic...if 2 or no storms comes out. they will revise their number they will not say the hurricane was wrong.
TheToosy 1 year ago
@TheToosy what is all this nonsense about hurricanes being wrong. you try to prove the existence of god by inacuracies of the weather forecast men. people swear on a bible in court because religion as a policing tool predates police themselves. people will (allegedly) tell the truth for fear of god. its a way to manipulate weaker minds that is still used today. Using the bible to prove god is like using lord of the rings to prove the existence of goblins. religion = cowardly weak mindset. = you
paulblackpb 1 year ago
@paulblackpb those who put religion against science like u are pathetic. science answers the hows while religion answers the why. there is no provision in science that tells one how to live a life of happiness. science deal with the material world...u will definitely argue that meeting ones economic & social needs will solve all his problems. if that was the case then our country would be one of the most peaceful , less crime , places in the world.
TheToosy 1 year ago
@TheToosy I would like to point out that your both your spelling and grammar is appaling. If this is a reflection of what you refer to as a christian school education then you may want to change schools or country. I was educated in a catholic school and I think your point about quality of education based on religion is innacurate, idealistic, misled and very much based on your preconception that all things christian are better than all things not.
paulblackpb 1 year ago
@paulblackpb gramma & spelling have nothing to do with what i'm trying to convey..u understand what i'm saying so end of story..it is not a perception it is true ..christians behave & perform better 'cause of their faith. just like u you spell better than me because u went to a better school. The fact still remains: If u atheist claim to be the most enlightened, & informed..why are u not better off?
why are'nt religious people fleeing to the secular establishment for refuge...?
TheToosy 1 year ago
@TheToosy very seldom we hear of someone leaving the church for a better life. some places of St. Paul where i live u wouldnt dare set foot there were it not for a church. even the atheists can breathe a sigh of relief walking down that avenue.
i live in the badlands, all efforts by the police department to control the drug market & gang activity failed..but once street preaching and christianity began to spread evil fled. former gansters rather turn their weapons to the church
TheToosy 1 year ago
@paulblackpb
TheToosy 1 year ago
@paulblackpb if religious people in large numbers were leaving churches ..etc and fleeing to the secular establishment...i too will abandon my faith & come to yor side
(i know how to spell your, but because of space). but doing so at this time is like leaving a winning team to join a losing team?
TheToosy 1 year ago
@TheToosy In saying that you prove that you just go along with the crowd. right or wrong. you are afraid of not being with the majority. you truly do yourself no favours when it comes to defending your arguement. Anyway, if you believe in god than thats your business but i dont have to respect that. I was raised in a very strict catholic genre and believe me religious people are by no means better than non religious. religion breeds arrogance and non acceptance of those opposed to it.
paulblackpb 1 year ago
@paulblackpb the wanted by the police in chester PA began to surrender themselves to churches...signaling that there was some hope in the church..they could have turned in themselves to the red cross or some secular instittion, but they chose not to. Most people find religion while theyre in jail.
TheToosy 1 year ago
@paulblackpb GO IS REAL..& yor believing in him is something else..our belief has nothing do do with nothing anyway..whether we believe it or not, what is is what is and what will be is what will be? Many people believed they would not die from cancer and they're dead..The existence of God is not predicted upon our belief.
TheToosy 1 year ago
Moderate a debate or participate in one...dont try to do both. This isnt Oprah.
jns124able 2 years ago
wow 0:40 to 1:15 is so well said. That is a truly intelligent man!
TheAstral1 2 years ago 8
This show is fucking stupid. They edit their arguments in order to fit the one hour mark and select their 'noticeable and entertaining parts'.
SlimeTron5000 2 years ago
The question is and dont get me wrong I am an atheist, what does teach childeren to be religious and what does teach childeren to be not religios. Is it the actual experience of the religion or is it talking about religion or is it the impossing of the religion or what and what age makes childeren make there mind up. Does interaction with other religons with eachother for a basis for building a childs cultural and religios backround???
mjufpn 2 years ago
the fucking mediator is interferring with the debate too much. He is sticking to procedure too much to the point that he's obstructing this debate to get anywhere and any good points to be made
69aznboi 2 years ago 3
wonderful vid..dawkins is brilliant...religion is a PERSONAL experience..it does not exist in OUR reality..let your minds evolve..do not teach your children what you do not know yourself, that is very dangerous, history is the proof
bobdacreepable 2 years ago 6
@bobdacreepable well said!
willma88 2 years ago
I personally like where Dawkins comes from in this debate. By labeling a child "Christian", "Muslim", ect.. is a cruel thing to do. The child will (more than likely) come to view other religions as a type of taboo. Grant it, some (like myself) will be motivated to look into other religions because they were brought up in a certain faith, but I think we all know that tends to be unlikely and only if the person is rational enough to listen.
PsychoKhanRap 2 years ago 3
im going to miss the funny hats with out the heads under them.
pervertedmind 2 years ago
Good show, never seen it before. Thanks for the upload.
Atheist/Realist here :D
Sweden80Here 2 years ago
8:20 "With Sikhs it is totally different"
Thanks for explaining why......OH WAIT!!!
yourass117 2 years ago 3
That was because the mediator didn't let him finish his thought.
TheJataka 2 years ago
The point made from 0:40-1:00 is an excellent one.
AernoutMJC 2 years ago 5
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fucking british... we should have owned them in ww2!
Thronsohn 2 years ago
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"owned" wtf, you fucking german twat, go fuck yourself u nazi cunt..
JoshMufc101 2 years ago
please watch youre language, mate. i will not be spoken to in that kind of voice by a red-haired, pale isle-monkey. thank you.
Thronsohn 2 years ago
Wow you really are like 5 Germany lost, because there leader was not fit, also this is the internet, you dont tell people that you don't like there tone of voice, so go fuck your self
manwithcam15 1 year ago
0:01 - 0:10
Since when were catholics civil?
TheK00laid47 2 years ago 8
faith schools?!
faith high schools, faith universities, faith master's degree, Christian engineer, Muslim dentist, New Age physicist, Buddhist chemist...
Schools were Christian because to make school you need money and in the past money were where Church was. Fortunately Church is slightly less influential politically now.
kid29a 2 years ago 7
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i make no apologize i fuckin hate muslims.. they look evill and allah is a fag
ricefarmer 2 years ago
we've got wars because of people like you, bullets dont kill people ignorance does
lasangeman 2 years ago 4
lol allah in arabic means god if ur religous ur calling god a fag
neoarcadezr 2 years ago
allah means god. And you're a fucking dumbass, they look evil? Rednecks are generally christian, they look absurd and fucking stupid, where's the improvement?
MaxenatorONE 2 years ago
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i know allah means god and i called him a fag u bitch, i rather sit next to a redneck on the bus then a fuckin terrorist sand nigger who has an ugly beard and a rapist.. all muslims are rapist and honor killers
ricefarmer 2 years ago
Just stop it, you are pathetic
And all who says "*INSERT RANDOM GOD/BELIEF* IS A FAG" are just as pathetic.
ssmooerr 2 years ago 3
nah bible humpers like u are pathetic
ricefarmer 2 years ago
For your information, i'm an atheist.
Bashing someones "god" doesn't make you right in any way, you just look like a retard.
Try having an argument with a christian and start of saying "Jesus is a fag". I bet you won't go far with that discussion. They block it out, the second you "harass" their god, you've lost the argument.
ssmooerr 2 years ago 4
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unarmed1234 2 years ago
but jessus is a reall really big fag
unarmed1234 2 years ago
So you belive that he exists? That makes you a Christian i'd say :)
Ignorant fool.
ssmooerr 2 years ago
LOL! I'm gonna need you to stop bringing grenades to a knife fight.
jagemobe 2 years ago
and you're dumb. I can laugh at you if i like. So I will. HAHA I say, HAHA to your humoristic lack of inteligence.
HAHA!
MaxenatorONE 2 years ago
Jay Lakhani at 0:46 = BINGO.
okhan001 2 years ago 7
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josephedwardperez 2 years ago
5:15 - Richard Dawkins checks out his shoes since no one really seems to care to hear his opinion unfortunately lol. this is the problem with these debates: they bring in a secular atheistic representative who has completely valid points, only to sit in their chair and listen in...
HHthinktank 2 years ago
I beg to differ. I think Dawkins and that Rabbi just pwned the debate and forced everyone else to be on the defensive (which they failed at).
In other words, it was checkmate right from the start.
KirbiesandYoshies 2 years ago
Hey robert, put that bottle back on the table!
dd452 2 years ago
You have watched the matrix way to many times.
The seat of your "consciousness" (which, by the way is just a collection of electrochemical reactions,) is your brain, this can be proven very simply by thinking about various things while monitored by an electroencephalogram. I doubt you truly know what a dimension is, people like you just throw the word around to add a pseudo-scientific feel to what is really just nonsense you picked up from some fringe media.
42isthemeaningoflife 2 years ago
Man, you can't say someone has watched the matrix too many times, it's such a great movie!
dd452 2 years ago
this show is awesome
DnvnQuinn 2 years ago
Hey, what channel is it on? Or is it only in Britain?
KirbiesandYoshies 2 years ago
how many times have u seen "waking life"? haha
slavashalava 2 years ago
wellhard11 you dont no what youre talking about my friend dont start trails
Kazvball1 2 years ago
muslim religion is evil simple as that you can't leave that religion, and they want to kill all non believers....
wellhard11 2 years ago
I am atheist (perhaps even anti-theist) but you are stating things of which you have no knowledge.
Things are not that black and white you fool - see the Muslim girl in part 2 of this program and ask yourself if she wants to 'kill all non-believers'.
Of course not, but she is clearly Muslim.
Do you know the footballer Nicholas Anelka? He is a devout Muslim - does he want to kill all of his team mates and the supporters who adore him? No.
enigmaunited 2 years ago 4
Your argument about girl, not wanting to kill non-believer is the best argument, that supports atheism. You don't need to be religious person to be a good one.
Too bad, that Buddhism is mostly regarded as a religion, but I most of it's teachings are what Utopian society would need to be following. No worshiping, just learning to be better as human.
Maliciuos 2 years ago 2
don't call me a fool about something you don't know about. That so called girl has probably never read or understood the hadith or the quran and believe me you deffo won't fit in there world.
wellhard11 2 years ago
Have a look and see all the muslims countries of the world do you see freedom for non muslims? they are not even allowed to have there own religious place of worship, yet in the uk they have over 2000 moques.
wellhard11 2 years ago 2
Just got to mention Turkey here.
AtheistPride007 2 years ago
christens were in turkey before muslims where so maybe a church here and there is not strange in that country. Fool open your eyes
wellhard11 2 years ago
We were talking about freedom for non muslims in muslim countries. Turkey is a country where there is freedom for non muslims. How about Kazakhstan. Just because some Muslims countries don't give freedoms doesn't mean all of them don't. I won't call you a fool here as you called me at the end of your statement because I can have a civil conversation.
AtheistPride007 2 years ago 5
having limited freedoms is not the same has being completely free, also i do apologize for calling you a fool...
wellhard11 2 years ago
There are many majorty Islamic countries who allow freedom of religion inside their borders. Some examples are Malaysia, Turkey or Azerbijedjan.
ozzieISLAM 2 years ago
Wow good point ozzie.
There are many majority Christian countries who allow freedom of religion inside their borders. Some examples are ALL OF THEM. Should they too be applauded for "tolerating" this basic human right?
I am no Christian either- I am just using them as an example.
josephedwardperez 2 years ago
josephedwardperez,
As far as I know freedom of religion is in every majorty Islamic country. Even in countries like Afghanistan are minorty buddhists and Christians. The fact is Islam teaches peacefull co-existence with other religions, but the people do not want to follow that part. Because the population sees them as traitors are invaders etc.
As far as I know there no Christian theocratie countries, most of them are secular so you have no point there.
ozzieISLAM 2 years ago
"Islam teaches peacefull co-existence with other religions, but the people do not want to follow that part. Because the population sees them as traitors are invaders etc."
So you admit that the majority of people from the primary region of Islam have corrupted it. Does that message make it any easier to swallow? No. Moral believers need to reform it before it can recover it's rightful place as a religion of peace. Theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran (etc.) will not allow this. Now what?
josephedwardperez 2 years ago
"As far as I know there no Christian theocratie countries, most of them are secular so you have no point there."
And there you have it- the reason why Christian countries USUALLY have more peaceful religious circumstances. Any kind of Theocracy is the heart of the problem. Highly questionable, 1000+ year old books should not govern nations, and that is the bottom line.
josephedwardperez 2 years ago
jospeh, You have to look at it this way. many leaders of theocracy's or dictatorships etc. use religion and politics etc. to support their own agenda. I do believe most of the leaders of Theocracy's are corrupted indeed. Because the aren't following one of the mainparts of Islam which is love and peace.
Your point of not using a book of 1000+ years as a pillar of governance. Because if we look at democracy it's from 550BC.
ozzieISLAM 2 years ago
"I do believe most of the leaders of Theocracy's are corrupted indeed."
The holiest sites in Islam are within a Theocracy, so how can anything possibly improve if we can't even get THAT right?
"Your point of not using a book of 1000+ years as a pillar of governance. Because if we look at democracy it's from 550BC."
Democracy could have existed from the beginning of time- my point is that it is FLEXIBLE, while a theocracy clearly is not. That is why no Theocratic nation can ever truly be happy.
josephedwardperez 2 years ago
"1000+ year old books should not govern nations"
So I guess you ment religious books because otherwise that would make no sense.
Well, religion and politics is a hard subject to discuss about because it's so wide and complex. everyone has a diffrent opinion about it. Because I as a Muslim feel happy in a theocracy and you would like to live in a state which supports your morals and believes. So I believe discussing this point would be pointless and meaningless.
ozzieISLAM 2 years ago
"So I guess you ment religious books because otherwise that would make no sense."
Why not? My nation isn't governed by a "Book of Democracy" it relies on a SECULAR Constitution written in 1776. We have adjusted it numerous times to adhere to modern society. On top of that I didn't just say 1000+ year old books, I said HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE 1000+ year old books; as in- most likely NOT the word of god in the first place based on evidence but instead the corrupted word of ancient man.
josephedwardperez 2 years ago
"Well, religion and politics is a hard subject to discuss about because it's so wide and complex."
They wouldn't be so complex if they weren't so intertwined in your world.
"everyone has a diffrent opinion about it. "
If that was true then Theocracies would not exist because sensible people would uprise. Most people have been brainwashed and that's why they devote their entire lives to fearing an imaginary god.
"feel happy in a theocracy"
You admit that its corrupt yet you are happy. Wow.
josephedwardperez 2 years ago 2
josep,
I really feel like talking to a 10-year old. I never said that Theocracy's where corrupt, I said some leaders of a Theocracy are corrupt. Like some leaders of a Democracy or any other idealogy is or can be corrupt, but that persons does not make the idealogy itself corrupt, which looks like common sense to me.
You are misquoting me. I said diffrent people have difrent opinions about religions and politics not( theoc.) But a Muslim bases their opinion on their believe which is Islam.
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josephedwardperez 2 years ago
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"I really feel like talking to a 10-year old."
Odd response but ok- go ahead and talk to a 10 year old Im not stopping you.
"I said some leaders of a Theocracy are corrupt."
Actually you said MOST leaders, and here is the exact quote:
"I do believe most of the leaders of Theocracy's are corrupted indeed."
Based on that, simple deductive reasoning reveals that Theocracies are easily corrupt-able, and are therefore the heart of the problem. Do I really need to explain this any further?
josephedwardperez 2 years ago
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"I said diffrent people have difrent opinions about religions and politics not( theoc.) But a Muslim bases their opinion on their believe which is Islam."
Ah, so you admit that this "opinion" is merely the result of fully buying into a book, based partly on the torah, handed down generation after generation, that was orally recited to begin with and finally written down by truly questionable (yet un-questionable according to itself) sources over 1000 years ago?
To hell with objectivity!
josephedwardperez 2 years ago
Actually , there is no freedom in Turkey. Ethnic Christians cannot teach freely but must have their teachings "edited." Turkey doesn't allow the Encyclopedia Britannica for example because of its "Christian Bias" Any more info online- just google it.
ametller35 2 years ago
@wellhard11 christians were in turkey cuz of the roman empire . look in the history and see who was there before the romans . the reall people of turkey became muslims . and made it and islamic country.ti now there is jew and christians and muslims in turkey that get alon and no fights or killing each othere like how it is in arabic countrys. thats what we need . geting alone keep your faith i keep mine and we can all get alone.
oda1332 1 year ago
if these muslims ever got a majority power hold in this country they would start doing the things you say the dnt. do you like the taliban and what they stand for? that is the true face of Islam not what some ignorant person like you think read history books about the death of millions for not converting to islam ..your the fool not me so get your facts right before you write crap.. and it is death if you leave the religion thats a fact.....
wellhard11 2 years ago 6
DO NOT oversimplify like this - you make all us atheists look thick.
enigmaunited 2 years ago
you have to ask your self why sihk and hindu folk have been living here for years with no problems and the muslims are always singled out i'll tell you why! sikhs and hindus aren't trying to convert everyone to there beliefs through violence and brain washing
packleader38 2 years ago 3
I am an atheist, and i can see that as well. very good comment
queruz 2 years ago
Lol, the guy in the orange coat owns.
Every time they show those girls with those stupid scarves on their heads, like "cover your head", I feel compelled to shave my own head.
samOFblorx 2 years ago
The Christian bishop keeps bringing up the stupidest point, "and of course, in this country, we have a Christian history"
livingeasi 2 years ago
Agreed.
We also have a history where the royal family were believed to be divine. Doesn't mean it is correct or just.
We used to have a country where women were burnt as witches (usually in the name of religion). Doesn't make it just or right.
There are a lot of historical things which are no longer applicable, or indeed acceptable.
enigmaunited 2 years ago 3
That minister or whatever the hell he is, is a fascist moron and nothing else.
As religious person I have to admit people like him, which probably ARE the majority of active religious people, make it extremely hard to make any case for religion. Religion as it actually predominandly exists does not deserve to be conserved, especially not with public founding.
DerEchteSenf 2 years ago
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Parents have the right to decide for their children in what faith they should be taught.The children will get their dependance when they don't have to rely on their parents for welfare.Tolerance is a necessary principle of eachothers religions, but Britain has a Christian culture that was highly positive and the liberal view is to tear down everthing that was british.That is highly why the Monarchy is always complained about being unnecessary in a secular country.
razzer321 2 years ago
Razzer321 thats the first step to brainwashing the minds of children. If u lable your kids into a faith, later in life they won't question the faith, they will claim that the faith is right,correct, and all non-believers should be vaporized. You should just show your kid love,and point out that violence is wrong and etc. u don't have to brainwash em into a faith so they gets moral standards.
saltpojken 2 years ago
Yes,But you say brainwashing and say teaching eternal values of God.Now if you teach children, in the manner that is fit for for you and your understanding.Then isn't it right when they become of age that eventually they will choose their path in life.
They have freedom of choice.But they have to be taught according to what you see fit.The children have a mind of their own and will sooner use their agency to make their choices for themselves.
razzer321 2 years ago
No because they don't start from the freedom of choice. How can you not see that you're point doesn't go well. If the parents lable the children into religion then they did not get to have the freedom of choice later in life, because they got forced into one path direcly from their birth, no I do not consider that as a freedom of choice.
saltpojken 2 years ago
What is 'British'?
Drumstoo 2 years ago
What if the parents religion or beliefs include physically harming the child? Some religions believe that their young girls can be married off to grown men..some believe that it is ok to cut up their childrens sexual organs.. Here in America they remove a newborn baby boy's foreskin from his penis..he will have to live with that even when and if he grows up and does not share his parents faith..Also there are some who believe if a child rejects their belief they can be killed.
AssilemakaMelissa 2 years ago
Parents have NO right.
They should let there children decide. I would not like a world where you were converted to muslim because your parents were.
EldarWrath 2 years ago
That is, unfortunately, the world in which we live.
EmJaySena 2 years ago
They don't let them make up their own mind because they know they'll be atheist because there's no good reason to be theist.
Pyro25892 2 years ago 3