It should be stated that this film scene is opposite of the actual writing of Nietzsche on the idea of eternal return. Google or read the excerpt from Nietzsche's the Gay Science. What he actually says is shocking.
@ridinist I think "opposite" is a bit of a stretch. It's a terrible film and it makes Nietzsche out to be rather pathetic, but the basic idea of the eternal recurrence isn't all that inaccurate. They have the important part: it's not so much whether your life will repeat an infinite number of times exactly the same way, so much as how you respond to the idea that it could. Does it fill you with horror? Or -- does it fill you with joy and make you shout the eternal YES!
@dugwyler and it is really hard to shout "the eternal YES!" it takes a lot to see one's life and say I will live like this forever. Myself, I usually want a sense of an escape. But to joyously hold on to a life -- a career, loved ones, mistakes, successes -- is what -- correct me if I am wrong -- Nietzsche encourages. What the man does in the film strays from that ideal of facing one's unending life. Strangely too, the burden of unending life, seems Hindu/Buddhist, even Christ-like(?)
@ridinist I agree -- it takes a lot. Nietzsche dedicated one of his books to "the very few," and by this he meant just this sort of person; the rarity, who, despite everything, lives as they believe they should live, regardless of the demands made by their time and place. The person who knows suffering is a virtue, who knows a Sisyphean task is a blessing. I'd agree that there are Eastern elements to this... and Nietzsche, after all, did admire Jesus on many points... for being such a person.
Nietzche Is the only one who have the better theory about what happened when one die! Everything that has been told by a religion and the state are In did the biggest lies ever, the only thing they want Is to make you give your effort,power,thoughts and even your life to the Idea of non sense so they can shine through lifetime! fuck the religion and the state! Live your life.
Here is my philisophical quote that sounds really deep but is really pure nonsense: We are all nothing except for the something which is not ...sounds like some deep shit right...it's not.
i doubt Nietzsche spoke this much, or this dogmatically. he was a ruminant, not some silly pseudo-preacher. I think it was in the gay science that he said he prefers not to say anything at all. But he also said that he wants to be a yes-sayer, so who really knows.
@SoldierOfLight1 I believe it was Dinesh D'Souza who said that. It is really nothing to be proud of; Something to disown even, if at all possible. That un-poetical, artless ape could do nothing but repeat a dumb fact as a counter to Nietzsche. And as for you...it seems you a but an echo chamber for dumb facts.
eternal return....that would be horrible. The heaviest burden as called by Nietzche...I would hate to live my life over and over again for eternity....once through it is already more than enough
@aiayumi though he considered the overman the one who could gladly live their life over and over again. lift that heaviest burden again and again gladly.
I was first pretty skeptical that I'd like Nietzsche, since I got introduced into philosophy by Russel's "History of Western Philosophy", where he is, as I realize it now, highly subjective, pretty selective and untrustworthy when mentioning Nietzsche's philosophy.
But I understand Russel's view - as my professor of Modern Philosophy once said: If you think you've understood Nietzsche, you haven't understood a thing.
i haven't seen the movie, but the book about Bruer and Nietzsche is pretty good reading. I'm not a Nietzschean, and I'm not an atheist, but Nietzsche has much to recommend to our age...
You have no freedom and no education, and that itself helps reinforce your moronic infatuation with the delusion you signify using the string of noises d-u-t-y.
Nietzsche was a guy, no musical talent, who tried to insert his ideas into a genius, Wagner, who in turn saw him as a masturbating miscreant. Nietzsche then wrote mean things about Wagner, masturbated more, and went crazy.
@TheBrewskiBaby Wagner wasn't just any fucktard, he was The Fucktard of Fucktards. Nietzsche is the only person I know of who hated the Ring more passionately than I did. He saw through the pretense of "music" to the shameful pageantry of devotionalism underneath. Shame he was too nice to give ol' Wag a well-deserved kick in the balls for me. I'd rather have humanity die out than give us another "genius" like him.
@TheBrewskiBaby Wagner was a great composer, but his virulent anti-semitism and messianic delusions rightly disgusted Nietzsche and precipitated his courageous break with his former mentor. Nietzsche's repudiation of Wagner's decadence created the personal & intellectual distance required for his subsequent efforts to prefigure a life-affirming philosophy of overcoming in place of the odious national chauvinism and racial self-adulation W. helped inaugurate and which set the stage for Nazism.
According to the German author Joachim Kohler Nietzsche was a closet homosexual all his life, so with this in mind was Nietzsche interest in Salome an excuse to be near Paul Ree?, was Nietzsche's philosophy and his hatred of society as it was in the 19th century hi way of venting because he had to keep his dark secret bottled up, was this timid homosexual who was so full of anger the real Nietzsche?
Was his homosexuality the character of Zarathustra.
@todanes Nietzsche didnt mean it in any kind of literal sense, I think. While I disagree with his so called "create your own meaning mentality" and agree with Schopenhauer. What I think Nietzsche meant is to live as if you were to face such a fate...Unfortunately I think Nietzsche misses that meaning is given to a person NOT created as the set of possibility of the universe's behavior does not allow creation ie...determinism, infinite causation, probalistic...etc..
@tmdwlszizi Really why is that? One of Nietzsche's "created" values got him syphilis which liquefied his brain destroying his value system slowly. Unfortunate for him or perhaps not as no doubt he lived a tough life. I don't personally take philosophy as a matter of preference but whoever has the most sound argument of how life really is and so far its Schopenhauer, although I would add things to his arguments to bring it up to date with modern physics, biology(evolution), etc...
einstein says in his relativity theory book something like ''i hope u ll enjoy the book'' nietzsche!!!! there is no equations,axioms in his books but he wants to taken seriously by people.who re u fucking nietzsche ?only girls love this 'strong poet' and where is the people who ruined his ideas as he wanted.why re u acting smart people or why dont u read einsteins articles or books? i know he doesnt like rhetoric...
I have to see this movie. We spend many years living in our fathers shadow, waiting for the chance to live like Nietzsche's Superman. Who can stand in the face of etrernal truth and resist the desire to run back to thier former conditioned self? Who can stare into the abyss and not run when it stares back at them?
I'm still skeptical there is a way out and still retain a purely objective view about things...We and everything else are atoms clicking about....complexity is only a value we assign to things that doesn't really exist. In the end values themselves have no real value in the future course of the universe...the universe will still keep clicking away when we are all gone..The universe just is...in other words valueless (neutral).
Eternity is not a long time. Eternity has nothing to do with time. An eternal moment does not go on forever. An eternal moment is outside of time. William Blake says, "Eternity is in love with the productions of time." This shows up the relationship of eternity to time. You might say, in this way of thinking, Eternity is the Mother of Time.. In Buddhism, nirvana is the state where time is stilled.. Blah blah you get the idea
This is Exactly the problem i have with Eternal Life...... I always wodnder is i was always here, and that i might be typing this very youtube comment for an infinte number of times, which i already had did for an infinite number of times and that anything could be possible, i could've been anybody for an infinite number of times, i could've been george bush for an infnite number of times and for an infinite number of times a guy threw a shoe at me, and he didn;'t for infintiy
This is Exactly the problem i have with Eternal Life...... I always wodnder is i was always here, and that i might be typing this very youtube comment for an infinte number of times, which i already had did for an infinite number of times and that anything could be possible, i could've been anybody for an infinite number of times, i could've been george bush for an infnite number of times and for an infinite number of times a guy threw a shoe at me, and he didn;'t for infintiy
[W]e do not only designate things with them [words and concepts], we think originally that through them we grasp the true in things. Through words and concepts we are still continually misled into imagining things as being simpler than they are, separate from one another, indivisible, each existing in and for itself. A philosophical mythology lies concealed in language which breaks out again every moment, however careful one may be otherwise. (Friedrich Nietzsche
I hate movies representing the life of philosophers. No matter how faithful it is to their tought, it's always a huge contradiction with the way you see them in your mind. They just look so imperfect and so weak on the screen. You don't want to believe in them...
In Beyond Good and Evil, Nietzsche accuses past philosophers of lacking critical sense and blindly accepting Christian premises in their consideration of morality. The work moves into the realm "beyond good and evil" in the sense of leaving behind the traditional morality which Nietzsche subjects to a destructive critique in favour of what he regards as an affirmative approach that fearlessly confronts the perspectival nature of knowledge and the perilous condition of the modern individual.
It's a pity, such a marvellous subject for a film being ripped off by bad acting and directing. I think the movie was deep but only in the Content, neither performances by actors, actresses, filming and etc. was a total disaster. If you only focus on the content with a psychological point of view over the chain of events, there's a pretty good chance you'll love the movie.
I mean ask yourself, which is more moral?Helping the poor, feeding the hungry, defending the weak,out of a mere concern for their wellbeing, or doing so because you think the creator of the universe wants you to do it.The truth is people do not need to be threatened with damnation to love their children, to love their friends, to want to collaborate with strangers, or indeed to recognize that helping strangers can be one of their greatest sources of happiness.
@qaplatlhinganmaH But the morality you describe... looking out for the meak and helpless... is incompatible with human nature. Egalitarian, Christian morals, which you unwittingly invoke, were completely alien to mankind until Socrates, his student Plato, and later on the Stoics formulated a system of metaphysics which needed to invalidate the natural world in order to develop a universal code of morality. Stoicism was even popularised in Rome by none other than the born slave, Epictetus.
And what kind of morality is it that is entirely predicated on a self-interested desire to escape damnation? This seems to bypass the very core of what we mean by morality, which is an actual concern for the welfare of other human beings. Clearly it is possible to teach our children to form such a concern and to grow in empathy and compassion without lying to ourselves or to them about the nature of the universe,without pretending to know things we do not know. (Sam Harris)
Either morals are autonomous or they do not exist at all. If a person refrains from murdering his neighbor only out of fear of Divine Retribution his behavior is dictated not by moral values, but by caution, fear of the Holy Policemen, egoism. And if a person does good only with an eye to salvation, she is not doing good since her behavior is dictated by self-interest rather than by duty or by love and will thus not be saved.
Christian nihilism empties the world and especially human existence of meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Christian nihilism is a false belief, when it leads individuals to discard any hope of meaning in the world and thus to invent some (imaginary) compensatory alternate measure of significance (in some unknown/unknowable future/realm).
@qaplatlhinganmaH At times it could be called destructive this "alternate world", but at times it could also prove to be useful for some. Full belief in an alternative world may leave someone less accepting of what is most important, the world at present. But for another, may prove to improve him/herself. The idea above is mysticism. The two Ideas are alike because they are based OFF of an afterlife.
@tooshortboi1 mysticism/spirituality does not have anything to do with dualism, examples Buddhism and Taoism. Dualism is also destructive to morality/ethics as it removes questions of ethics from real on the ground question of human and animal suffering.
@qaplatlhinganmaH Atheism empties the world and especially human existence of meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Atheism is a false belief, when it leads individuals to discard any hope of meaning in the world and thus to invent some (imaginary) compensatory alternate measure of significance (work, entertainment, money, charity, etc.).
@qaplatlhinganmaH well it really is a long way to end up where everything begins. we accept things into our minds, then we go and make a kind of measurement based on other things. then we say we know something about witch we cannot because nothing is outside ourselves. to make meaning is to fear. fear is a great creator. one that makes people...
@AidanMclaren Would you say that nothing matters to you? You do not have any goals that you think are important? No activities or people that you value?
If you do have such values, then why claim "everything leads to nihilism"? What does "nihilism" mean but that no activity, person, or thing has any more value than any other activity, person, or thing? But then why do you value anything? Why are you even responding?
Well, contrary to what qap said, we *all* invent some compensatory alternate measure of significance. If you actually have the gall to say that any of us want to be in this world and that some love it, then you are hardly better than the religious you criticise.
In truth, I don't think anyone really values anything. We change out beliefs like neckties, do we not? Everything is hollow to us because we know this universe is nothing.
@AidanMclaren Even if we changed values frequently, that wouldn't eliminate our having values after all.
You commit the classical is-ought fallacy by moving from the observation that human perceptions of value are impermanent or transient to the conclusion that therefore nothing is truly valuable.
You argue a straightforward non sequitor.
The lack of agreement or permanence of our what we value is explained by the limits of human rationality and knowledge, not by the absence of true value.
@AidanMclaren Avoiding fallacies is important if you care about being rational and consistent. By all means, if you do not care about these things, then just let me know.
I agree our values are subjective. So what? You seem to take it for granted that "subjective" includes "not real," whereas that is once again a straightforward non sequitor.
There is nothing fantastical or unreal about you, YouTube, or our discussion. So I fail to see how typing to you is not a genuine experience of reality.
I just want get caught in your quagmire is why I scoff at your "fallacy" counter-arguments. The important thing to realise about our values being subjective is that they are fleeting and merely bred from a limited human mind. It's just an illusion, and therefore doesn't compensate anything what we REALLY desire. There would be no need to get on about Nietzsche or anyone if happiness existed.
@AidanMclaren Our values result from our natural and nurtured psychology, our experiences, our social circles, etc. None of these processes has any claim to informing us of the "objective truth" of values. That much is true.
However, the valuation of goals doesn't need to "correspond to" anything to be "really" valuable. A migraine, e.g., is genuinely painful despite its being subjective. Therefore, avoiding a migraine is objectively a worthy pursuit. Morality is like this regarding behaviour.
@AidanMclaren Ah, that's because you fail to realize that the desire to be healthy is a goal, a value. You do not realize there's a difference between the attainment of a goal (a fact) with the valuation of that goal (a value) and so you pretend that the former is somehow "objective" while the latter is totally baseless.
When you are healthy, any subjective value you made of it beforehand vanishes. There's nothing to gain once you've attained it. It's like a cut on your skin. You're not thankful you don't have one, are you? That doesn't even enter your mind.
There is no happiness. This just proves it.. "Value" is merely a shallow uttering from a being lead by pain.
The very search for meaning creates meaninglessness. There is no need to concern yourself with the idea of meaning, when one uses delusion to console himself, ignorance is the result. He will suffer by that ignorance not for it.
@qaplatlhinganmaH While Nietzsche does expose the 'danger' of Christian nihilism (the Birth of Tragedy by his young self and Schopenhauer), it is only one thing amongst many other critiques of various metaphysical and moral systems ( Beyond G&E)
The best expression of Nietzsche concerning morality is in the Geo of Morals. If we try to think Nietzsche's thoughts, we would see that: the essence of all moralities, thus far, is tyranny- either over others or over oneself. Hence Beyond Good and Evil
@qaplatlhinganmaH While Nietzsche does expose the 'danger' of Christian nihilism (the Birth of Tragedy by his young self and Schopenhauer), it is only one thing amongst many other critiques of various metaphysical and moral systems ( Beyond G&E)
The best expression of Nietzsche concerning morality is in the Geo of Morals. If we try to think Nietzsche's thoughts, we would see that: the essence of all moralities, thus far, is tyranny- either over others or over oneself. Hence Beyond Good and Evil
God gives 10 commandments,,,and doesnt even require perfection,,,governments give thousands of rules but no one bitches and compalins endlessly ab that,,,why? I hear atheissts bitching nonstop ab GOD when what they really oppose is men using religion as a means to control other men,,,organized religion is the problem not the concept of GOD,,,,if u read the Bible it never calls for men to create an organized body of men to judge other men ,,,so please stop bitching ab GOD and look at yrself
@candiceevans1 Not criticizing you but think of this...Its a similar thought to the one in this video...Imagine your heaven exists and you go there...for all eternity eventually one would run out of things to do just as in this world...Eventually there would be nothing else to pursue in this world if we were immortal, eternal is a long time but eventually nothing in all of existence would satisfy a person. If we aren't striving for something we are miserable and bored.
@candiceevans1 you are bitching yourself. one thing most people don't realize is that we are all hypocrites and cannot evade being so. atheists do not believe in god (that's right, not "God" or "GOD") so the mindlesness we perceive of following a religious doctrine and forcing it upon others is justified, so far that we acknowledge that everything is forced upon us. and, fyi, polls show that the most educated religious group ON religion are atheist.
@brutalkid1993 Everything is forced on us in a sense I admit...in terms of determinism or infinite causation, term which I coined. Atheists are not a religious group though rather rely on objective fact to which physical cognition gives us by ocular evidence...etc... It is a disturbing thing when one realizes there is not really a self...then the thought of values comes up...and well...that can then lead to nihilism.Anything one may value then is then not created by a self but by the universe
@qaplatlhinganmaH I can't say for certain but some religions seem to have roots at least in part due to some discontent with this world...ie hoping for a better one in an afterlife. So maybe its not so absurd in that way but in other ways well that's another discussion. I'm not so sure what is frightening about non-existence since we have in a strange way experienced countless times in sleep and before we were born. Similarly, the atheist version of this is singularitarian/transhumanists
@qaplatlhinganmaH That is pure bull. Why? Because we cannot determine if something is real or not. We only think we can. I will give you an example: psychosis. Everbody perceive "reality" differently and understand it even more differently.
@qaplatlhinganmaH 1) I agree. 2) agree again. 3) True, BUT how would you know? For instance, you can just observe a small specter of the electromagnetic field, hear within a short span of frequency, taste a small portion of all that is to taste, feel a pinch of what is to feel, etc. This is, again, influenced and translated by your genes and your previous experiences. Can you, right now, with 100% security tell me if this is a matrix or not?
@qaplatlhinganmaH we all must eventually die... we can never fully satisy hunger, it always returns... nothing is permanant.... even the universe must perish... denying this fact is bad faith, nihilism attempts to enlighten us to it so we can eventually find happiness within such temporance. acceptance of destruction as a natural force of life can bring about its beauty.
@Garcian There's no need to refute your silly belief -- it's nothing but an incorrect, blunt assertion.
You offered no evidence -- it's wrong.
There's no reason to accept your silly, nonsense belief that there could somehow be nothing permanent.
If that's a permanent fact, then there is something permanent.
If it ' not a permanent fact, then there's something permanent now, or there will be when that impermanent fact runs out, so no mater how you slice it, you lose.
@1GodOnlyOne when the impermanent fact runs out... it is merely ended by the onset of another impermenant fact. There is no permanance, you're literally having a laugh.
The impermanent "fact" to which you refer is the notion that there could somehow be no impermanence. When that stops being true, which you admitted, it will be false, meaning that there will be something permanenet.
You dolt -- you have posited a self-refuting statement and you are too stump-dumb to even recognize that fact.
Fortunately, everyone else reading this is smarter than you, and smart enough to realize that I am right and you are wrong, and there are clearly permanent things.
@1GodOnlyOne Your'e arguing a strawman: argue my intial supposition by refuting its basis. Dont ask for proof of an ideal that has none. proof requires permanence, i argue there is none. Also, you seem to cling to your notion of intelligence as if its about to slip away from you. there is no right or wrong here, there is no permanence.
@Garcian I have already proven, using copious logical evidence, that you are wrong and I am right in that there is indeed permanence.
You have merely stated the blunt, incorrect opinion that there somehow could not be permanence, but you have failed to offer any argument or evidence for that silly belief.
@1GodOnlyOne You want proof of an ideal that has none, proof requires permanence! How can i persuade you that there is permance to our actions. i cannot because life itself is impermanent.
@Ozscii No, quite the opposite. In fact, it may be said that his entire philosophy was an attempt to overturn the nihilism of Schopenhauer. Nietzsche is often misunderstood as a nihilist because he goes to such great lengths to describe and diagnose nihilism, but he does so (in my understanding) with the intention to show us a way out.
@mavaddat which he does not, he only writes of what is nihilistic. In the end he went insane, due to the fact that much of what is described as "nihilistic" is apart of life and must be overcome.
And it was people like Nietzsche who didn't possess the maturity to understand that Schopenhauer was just merely telling it like it is and will always be. Why should his mere honest outlook on the world be labelled as "nihilism"? Trying to be optimistic in a really pretentious way like Nietzsche subscribed will not conquer life nor shield you from it and how it works.
@AidanMclaren There is nothing about "reality" that demands rejecting the genuine importance of human values. Your conclusion is a consequence of very basic fallacies (as I have pointed out). Oh, but, oops! You cannot recognize your fallacies, because you deem all talk of fallacies to be nothing more than a rhetorical trick. For shame...
But you are using some pretty pathetic sophistry here, I'm sorry. At least try to argue how knowing that your ideas about values has some legitimacy behind it instead of saying "fallacy" to anything you don't agree with.
You say all this because you know your life is meaningless, and that you are, indeed, nothing at all in the greater scheme of things...and that you will die with no compensation. That's all there is to it.
@AidanMclaren I actually specified your fallacy in detail earlier. It's not a knee-jerk response to whatever I disagree with. You seem troubled to think clearly about this topic. You evince a dogmatic commitment belief in a world without importance.
The meaning of my life is created *by me*, so I am certain my life is meaningful. It's not even an interesting question.
What's interesting is why I should think other people's lives have value. But you don't even see this is the relevant question.
I am troubled that you possess a manipulative and deceitful mind, actually. If you want me to play your childish game, I pose this to you: You create a delusion there is meaning, just as you create the delusion there is an "I". That is not a fallacy; there is nothing illogical about the idea that you pretend the subjective to be objective.
And if you want to talk about the validity of your delusion, have you considered that saying truth with a conviction makes you an imposter?
@mavaddat It's all it was an attempt from what I've read and heard so far.My advice is not to value truth too much which its too late for me. Not saying I have all the answers but I want it even though I know it is worthless itself too. Physics or rather the interpretation of ocular evidence in the universe states the sun will eventually annihilate life for example via super red giant...All we value will become as common dirt and meaning of anything will become vaporous.
So the earth will die. Have you ever seen Star Trek? And who is to say what we can evolve into, maybe something non physical, yet eternal, and aware; We are talking about a billions of years of evolution. Who is to say this former type of life doesn't exist, in a naturally lawful way? Billions of years is a long time. What are we going on now as far intellectual self awareness goes? Several thous.years maybe. We uncovered one inch on a map that spans an infinity and your saying can't. Bullshit.
@red2177 Evolution can't cope with million degree temperatures which physics predicts...It just simply tears molecules apart and its the objective fact. Even if we escaped the universe will approach absolute zero in a very long time. Anything "non physical" manifests itself physically...IE the idea of a circle, planet etc...All we can talk about is the physical as that is the very definition of the universe. Ocular evidence supports physics behaving the same in other solar systems.
@mavaddat You're absolutely right. I am doing my PhD thesis on nihilism, and Nietzsche most certainly offers us a way out. To be sure, any one in doubt should read Keith Ansel-Pearson's 'Nietzsche as Political Thinker' or Beginster's 'The Affirmation of Life'.
@mavaddat Nietzsche maintained that 'Great Politics' wherein art and culture occupy the centre of a polis, is the only way to overcome nihilism. We must become creators, artists, and living breathing philosophers. The notion of the eternal return is supposed to be the ultimate test to see if we can affirm life to such an extent that we would welcome its eternal return.
@Drgamedood Yes, he's famous for stating that without God, there can be no meaning to life, and no accounting for the morality or immorality of anyone's actions.
Hitler, also a believer in atheist dogma, was a great fan of Nietsche, took that statement to mean that violence and killing aren't really morally wrong, as God states they are in all of his revealed scriptures.
@1GodOnlyOne Stop commenting in this kind of videos, you're just making a foll of yourself trying to look smart which you are not, you're just a mediocre mind who can't understand and try to fight what you can't understand.
Hitler didn't kill catholics , you can see pictures of many bishops who supported Hitler, His soldiesr were Christians, have you seen their belt buckle?. and also there's no "Atheist Dogma" he didn't do anything in the name of atheistm, you're just stupid. or a troll...
In a way could you not break it Eternal return through Déjà vu,what if it is only your Consciousness that does not rember and when you die you just restart to the time when your Consciousness come to being the closest i can explain to the point is "Groundhog Day" but your Consciousness forgot or in a way never remeber do to it never happening yet,but your subConsciousness remebers do to an third party source ie:your mind or more to detail your subConsciousness through a time loop ieEternalReturn
Eternal recurrence? Sounds like a lot shit, unless, you are a mathematican! It's opinion, it is not truth! I'm open to a reasonable explaination, but, just because Nietzsche say it's true, doesn't mean it is. I think, Nietzche in his personal life, tells the real story. There is nothing about his behavior, that deserves respect, he was a fool, a disillusioned fool, who believed that truth could be discovered through thought. He on balance was a said creature, his mind took him over!
Eternal return is a thought experiment, but he is urging us to go beyond good and evil, beyond the herd morality of Christianity, to accept responsibility for all the good and the bad things that have happened to us, to go beyond this life and to have the courage and the strength to will this upon ourselves in a godless world.
Interestingly, the idea of eternal return falls close to the parallel universe concept, which assumes the existence of an infinite number of exact copies of our world and of every one of us in them. One level further, in which "everything that may happen will actually happen," it allows for the reality in which the Big Bang which gave birth to our universe is going on eternally, so that there is a copy of our world in which you are already dead, alive and preborn, all at the same time!
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bobdy9988 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
It should be stated that this film scene is opposite of the actual writing of Nietzsche on the idea of eternal return. Google or read the excerpt from Nietzsche's the Gay Science. What he actually says is shocking.
ridinist 3 weeks ago
@ridinist I think "opposite" is a bit of a stretch. It's a terrible film and it makes Nietzsche out to be rather pathetic, but the basic idea of the eternal recurrence isn't all that inaccurate. They have the important part: it's not so much whether your life will repeat an infinite number of times exactly the same way, so much as how you respond to the idea that it could. Does it fill you with horror? Or -- does it fill you with joy and make you shout the eternal YES!
dugwyler 3 weeks ago
@dugwyler and it is really hard to shout "the eternal YES!" it takes a lot to see one's life and say I will live like this forever. Myself, I usually want a sense of an escape. But to joyously hold on to a life -- a career, loved ones, mistakes, successes -- is what -- correct me if I am wrong -- Nietzsche encourages. What the man does in the film strays from that ideal of facing one's unending life. Strangely too, the burden of unending life, seems Hindu/Buddhist, even Christ-like(?)
ridinist 2 weeks ago
@ridinist I agree -- it takes a lot. Nietzsche dedicated one of his books to "the very few," and by this he meant just this sort of person; the rarity, who, despite everything, lives as they believe they should live, regardless of the demands made by their time and place. The person who knows suffering is a virtue, who knows a Sisyphean task is a blessing. I'd agree that there are Eastern elements to this... and Nietzsche, after all, did admire Jesus on many points... for being such a person.
dugwyler 2 weeks ago
Candy anyone??? Something else? Eternal return of the candy perhaps!! muhaahhahahahaaaa. I'll be back.
SHITCAKES4U 1 month ago
Nietzsche had pretty good english haha
PornographicSoul 1 month ago
Nietzche Is the only one who have the better theory about what happened when one die! Everything that has been told by a religion and the state are In did the biggest lies ever, the only thing they want Is to make you give your effort,power,thoughts and even your life to the Idea of non sense so they can shine through lifetime! fuck the religion and the state! Live your life.
Ak47eier 1 month ago
@SoldierOfLight1 That's pretty much hilarious. xD
TheBermuda 2 months ago
4:34-4:38...Did she become Swedish?
KrfNYC2 4 months ago
Here is my philisophical quote that sounds really deep but is really pure nonsense: We are all nothing except for the something which is not ...sounds like some deep shit right...it's not.
KrfNYC2 5 months ago
@KrfNYC2 Actually, that sounds dumb as shit. Keep trying to sound smart on YouTube comments though, chap.
RhymesWithFudge 4 months ago
@RhymesWithFudge Like I said in my comment, that quote is "really pure nonsense." So nobody is trying to sound smart. I couldn't if I did.
KrfNYC2 4 months ago
i doubt Nietzsche spoke this much, or this dogmatically. he was a ruminant, not some silly pseudo-preacher. I think it was in the gay science that he said he prefers not to say anything at all. But he also said that he wants to be a yes-sayer, so who really knows.
tonsofcursewords 5 months ago
@SoldierOfLight1 I believe it was Dinesh D'Souza who said that. It is really nothing to be proud of; Something to disown even, if at all possible. That un-poetical, artless ape could do nothing but repeat a dumb fact as a counter to Nietzsche. And as for you...it seems you a but an echo chamber for dumb facts.
Peteromich 5 months ago
@SoldierOfLight1
God is dead and we killed him the moment we started to use our intelligence.
I do not pity you, you are scum.
iluan666 6 months ago
@iluan666 "The Gods are dead but they died of laughing, upon hearing one God claim to be the only one." -Deleuze, Nietzsche and Philosophy.
Distortion0 6 months ago
I agree this movie was not too good but had some good parts. I liked that they didnt portray him as a maniac.
msa1985 6 months ago
lol, when i read the title at first it said eternal rectum.
ThermalHD 7 months ago 3
@ThermalHD Yeah, that video violated the YouTube terms of service... It can now be found on Fox News.
mavaddat 7 months ago 3
@mavaddat Dyslexia can be funny at times :)
ThermalHD 7 months ago
@ThermalHD lMAO
ggmobile1 4 months ago
@ThermalHD
LOL, LOL.
campcasey62 2 months ago
@ThermalHD Almost as bad as mine. External rectum
geganobo 2 months ago
i would like to think of that familiarity we feel sometimes as a mere short circuit in the brain...
aiayumi 7 months ago
eternal return....that would be horrible. The heaviest burden as called by Nietzche...I would hate to live my life over and over again for eternity....once through it is already more than enough
aiayumi 7 months ago
@aiayumi because you aren't strong but weak.
TheSlovenc123 6 months ago
@TheSlovenc123 No...it's because my life sucks. If I'm Bill Gates i would want to relive my life a thousand times over...
aiayumi 6 months ago
@aiayumi though he considered the overman the one who could gladly live their life over and over again. lift that heaviest burden again and again gladly.
ridinist 3 weeks ago
let the birds fly free so well as the spirit ...
its really a great scene, thanks for upload!
windswept23 8 months ago
I already did give you an example of something permanent, but you are too stupid to realize that.
atheist total fail FACEPALM
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
Thank you for admitting that your silly personal belief has no proof, no evidence, and no arguments in its favor.
FACT: Permanence is real, and I have proven it in abundance.
You lose, jackass! LOL
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
A great movie.
lamourlupus 9 months ago
Hitler was most definitely atheist -- that's why he murdered six million Catholics and six million Jews.
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
Pity for the awful acting...
VegsoulWhiteWolf 10 months ago 6
@VegsoulWhiteWolf Agreed.
mavaddat 10 months ago 2
@VegsoulWhiteWolf I like Armand.
IrminC 8 months ago
An experiment with the Master's poem "Der Freigeist" can be watched here:
watch?v=EGvzr_HBihk
OR search for
Friedrich Nietzsche - Der Freigeist (Abe's Modern Low Remix)
Hope you like it! Hope he would have liked it...
NoPussyfication 10 months ago
mid-life crisis.
underachiever744 10 months ago
I was first pretty skeptical that I'd like Nietzsche, since I got introduced into philosophy by Russel's "History of Western Philosophy", where he is, as I realize it now, highly subjective, pretty selective and untrustworthy when mentioning Nietzsche's philosophy.
But I understand Russel's view - as my professor of Modern Philosophy once said: If you think you've understood Nietzsche, you haven't understood a thing.
oknarbtal 10 months ago
Christianity, the belief in Nothing, deified!
mikeisapro 10 months ago
i haven't seen the movie, but the book about Bruer and Nietzsche is pretty good reading. I'm not a Nietzschean, and I'm not an atheist, but Nietzsche has much to recommend to our age...
blueinfinite 10 months ago
That does not......in any way......look like Nietzsche!
alifeofreason 10 months ago
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Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away
qaplatlhinganmaH 11 months ago
You have no freedom and no education, and that itself helps reinforce your moronic infatuation with the delusion you signify using the string of noises d-u-t-y.
nactan 11 months ago
Nietzsche was a guy, no musical talent, who tried to insert his ideas into a genius, Wagner, who in turn saw him as a masturbating miscreant. Nietzsche then wrote mean things about Wagner, masturbated more, and went crazy.
Wagner owns Nietszche.
TheBrewskiBaby 11 months ago
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nactan 11 months ago
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@TheBrewskiBaby Wagner wasn't just any fucktard, he was The Fucktard of Fucktards. Nietzsche is the only person I know of who hated the Ring more passionately than I did. He saw through the pretense of "music" to the shameful pageantry of devotionalism underneath. Shame he was too nice to give ol' Wag a well-deserved kick in the balls for me. I'd rather have humanity die out than give us another "genius" like him.
nactan 11 months ago
@TheBrewskiBaby And of course writing and philosophy isn't creativity but anything that calls itself "music" is!
nactan 11 months ago
@TheBrewskiBaby Wagner was a great composer, but his virulent anti-semitism and messianic delusions rightly disgusted Nietzsche and precipitated his courageous break with his former mentor. Nietzsche's repudiation of Wagner's decadence created the personal & intellectual distance required for his subsequent efforts to prefigure a life-affirming philosophy of overcoming in place of the odious national chauvinism and racial self-adulation W. helped inaugurate and which set the stage for Nazism.
YoutibYoutib 11 months ago
@YoutibYoutib yeah, "genius". google "Tannhäuser". how tastes change...
nactan 1 week ago
eternal reoccurrence....
QRF11B 11 months ago
According to the German author Joachim Kohler Nietzsche was a closet homosexual all his life, so with this in mind was Nietzsche interest in Salome an excuse to be near Paul Ree?, was Nietzsche's philosophy and his hatred of society as it was in the 19th century hi way of venting because he had to keep his dark secret bottled up, was this timid homosexual who was so full of anger the real Nietzsche?
Was his homosexuality the character of Zarathustra.
Food for thought when reading Nietzsche.
solarant 11 months ago
does nobody else find the eternal return idea slightly retarded?
todanes 11 months ago
@todanes Nietzsche didnt mean it in any kind of literal sense, I think. While I disagree with his so called "create your own meaning mentality" and agree with Schopenhauer. What I think Nietzsche meant is to live as if you were to face such a fate...Unfortunately I think Nietzsche misses that meaning is given to a person NOT created as the set of possibility of the universe's behavior does not allow creation ie...determinism, infinite causation, probalistic...etc..
codester1111 11 months ago
The Eternal Return is great. At first you are terrified like the doctor at 2:15, but then you realize what a gift the Eternal Return is.
bobdy9988 1 year ago
Huge fan of Nietzsche
He is the great philosopher ever!
tmdwlszizi 1 year ago
@tmdwlszizi Really why is that? One of Nietzsche's "created" values got him syphilis which liquefied his brain destroying his value system slowly. Unfortunate for him or perhaps not as no doubt he lived a tough life. I don't personally take philosophy as a matter of preference but whoever has the most sound argument of how life really is and so far its Schopenhauer, although I would add things to his arguments to bring it up to date with modern physics, biology(evolution), etc...
codester1111 1 year ago
yes really nice scene.. i like also
SuperLeonidas1984 1 year ago
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einstein says in his relativity theory book something like ''i hope u ll enjoy the book'' nietzsche!!!! there is no equations,axioms in his books but he wants to taken seriously by people.who re u fucking nietzsche ?only girls love this 'strong poet' and where is the people who ruined his ideas as he wanted.why re u acting smart people or why dont u read einsteins articles or books? i know he doesnt like rhetoric...
esraretin 1 year ago
I have to see this movie. We spend many years living in our fathers shadow, waiting for the chance to live like Nietzsche's Superman. Who can stand in the face of etrernal truth and resist the desire to run back to thier former conditioned self? Who can stare into the abyss and not run when it stares back at them?
hoturtu87 1 year ago
I'm still skeptical there is a way out and still retain a purely objective view about things...We and everything else are atoms clicking about....complexity is only a value we assign to things that doesn't really exist. In the end values themselves have no real value in the future course of the universe...the universe will still keep clicking away when we are all gone..The universe just is...in other words valueless (neutral).
codester1111 1 year ago
Eternity is not a long time. Eternity has nothing to do with time. An eternal moment does not go on forever. An eternal moment is outside of time. William Blake says, "Eternity is in love with the productions of time." This shows up the relationship of eternity to time. You might say, in this way of thinking, Eternity is the Mother of Time.. In Buddhism, nirvana is the state where time is stilled.. Blah blah you get the idea
eeiiiinn 1 year ago
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@Ozscii Agreed. Well said.. Good to see someone else actually understand this most misunderstood of philosophers!
eeiiiinn 1 year ago
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This is Exactly the problem i have with Eternal Life...... I always wodnder is i was always here, and that i might be typing this very youtube comment for an infinte number of times, which i already had did for an infinite number of times and that anything could be possible, i could've been anybody for an infinite number of times, i could've been george bush for an infnite number of times and for an infinite number of times a guy threw a shoe at me, and he didn;'t for infintiy
WoW....
runner784 1 year ago
This is Exactly the problem i have with Eternal Life...... I always wodnder is i was always here, and that i might be typing this very youtube comment for an infinte number of times, which i already had did for an infinite number of times and that anything could be possible, i could've been anybody for an infinite number of times, i could've been george bush for an infnite number of times and for an infinite number of times a guy threw a shoe at me, and he didn;'t for infintiy
WoW....
runner784 1 year ago
[W]e do not only designate things with them [words and concepts], we think originally that through them we grasp the true in things. Through words and concepts we are still continually misled into imagining things as being simpler than they are, separate from one another, indivisible, each existing in and for itself. A philosophical mythology lies concealed in language which breaks out again every moment, however careful one may be otherwise. (Friedrich Nietzsche
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
I hate movies representing the life of philosophers. No matter how faithful it is to their tought, it's always a huge contradiction with the way you see them in your mind. They just look so imperfect and so weak on the screen. You don't want to believe in them...
pierolivier111 1 year ago
In Beyond Good and Evil, Nietzsche accuses past philosophers of lacking critical sense and blindly accepting Christian premises in their consideration of morality. The work moves into the realm "beyond good and evil" in the sense of leaving behind the traditional morality which Nietzsche subjects to a destructive critique in favour of what he regards as an affirmative approach that fearlessly confronts the perspectival nature of knowledge and the perilous condition of the modern individual.
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
Nietzsche: "God is dead"
God: "Nietzsche is dead. Who won that battle?"
serpentinessarecute 1 year ago
@serpentinessarecute
Nietzsche did. Mos def. ;-)
baronmorris 9 months ago
now I really want to see this movie lol
MaestroMan999 1 year ago
I wouldn't mind the Eternal Return. I love hate as much as I love love. And pain is a necessity along life's path.
driekone 1 year ago
It's a pity, such a marvellous subject for a film being ripped off by bad acting and directing. I think the movie was deep but only in the Content, neither performances by actors, actresses, filming and etc. was a total disaster. If you only focus on the content with a psychological point of view over the chain of events, there's a pretty good chance you'll love the movie.
mehdigoudarzi 1 year ago
Isn't care apart of human nature?....If not, how would our species survive?
Ecite 1 year ago
@Ozscii Nietzsche was most certainly an existentialist.
landgabriel 1 year ago
I mean ask yourself, which is more moral?Helping the poor, feeding the hungry, defending the weak,out of a mere concern for their wellbeing, or doing so because you think the creator of the universe wants you to do it.The truth is people do not need to be threatened with damnation to love their children, to love their friends, to want to collaborate with strangers, or indeed to recognize that helping strangers can be one of their greatest sources of happiness.
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH But the morality you describe... looking out for the meak and helpless... is incompatible with human nature. Egalitarian, Christian morals, which you unwittingly invoke, were completely alien to mankind until Socrates, his student Plato, and later on the Stoics formulated a system of metaphysics which needed to invalidate the natural world in order to develop a universal code of morality. Stoicism was even popularised in Rome by none other than the born slave, Epictetus.
NotHomelessAnymore 1 year ago
@NotHomelessAnymore It's a quote from Sam Harris
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
And what kind of morality is it that is entirely predicated on a self-interested desire to escape damnation? This seems to bypass the very core of what we mean by morality, which is an actual concern for the welfare of other human beings. Clearly it is possible to teach our children to form such a concern and to grow in empathy and compassion without lying to ourselves or to them about the nature of the universe,without pretending to know things we do not know. (Sam Harris)
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
Either morals are autonomous or they do not exist at all. If a person refrains from murdering his neighbor only out of fear of Divine Retribution his behavior is dictated not by moral values, but by caution, fear of the Holy Policemen, egoism. And if a person does good only with an eye to salvation, she is not doing good since her behavior is dictated by self-interest rather than by duty or by love and will thus not be saved.
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
the movie Groundhog Day dealt with this situation
make every recurring day a better day
or else you may be fucked in the wrong way!
backwoodsgps 1 year ago
Christian nihilism empties the world and especially human existence of meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Christian nihilism is a false belief, when it leads individuals to discard any hope of meaning in the world and thus to invent some (imaginary) compensatory alternate measure of significance (in some unknown/unknowable future/realm).
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago 17
@qaplatlhinganmaH Precisely. Well written!
mavaddat 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH At times it could be called destructive this "alternate world", but at times it could also prove to be useful for some. Full belief in an alternative world may leave someone less accepting of what is most important, the world at present. But for another, may prove to improve him/herself. The idea above is mysticism. The two Ideas are alike because they are based OFF of an afterlife.
tooshortboi1 1 year ago
@tooshortboi1 mysticism/spirituality does not have anything to do with dualism, examples Buddhism and Taoism. Dualism is also destructive to morality/ethics as it removes questions of ethics from real on the ground question of human and animal suffering.
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
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@qaplatlhinganmaH Atheism empties the world and especially human existence of meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Atheism is a false belief, when it leads individuals to discard any hope of meaning in the world and thus to invent some (imaginary) compensatory alternate measure of significance (work, entertainment, money, charity, etc.).
Imperativism 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH well it really is a long way to end up where everything begins. we accept things into our minds, then we go and make a kind of measurement based on other things. then we say we know something about witch we cannot because nothing is outside ourselves. to make meaning is to fear. fear is a great creator. one that makes people...
punk1attitude 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH
Everything leads to nihilism. You're no different from Christians; you only delay the inevitable.
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@AidanMclaren Would you say that nothing matters to you? You do not have any goals that you think are important? No activities or people that you value?
If you do have such values, then why claim "everything leads to nihilism"? What does "nihilism" mean but that no activity, person, or thing has any more value than any other activity, person, or thing? But then why do you value anything? Why are you even responding?
mavaddat 1 year ago
@mavaddat
Well, contrary to what qap said, we *all* invent some compensatory alternate measure of significance. If you actually have the gall to say that any of us want to be in this world and that some love it, then you are hardly better than the religious you criticise.
In truth, I don't think anyone really values anything. We change out beliefs like neckties, do we not? Everything is hollow to us because we know this universe is nothing.
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@AidanMclaren Even if we changed values frequently, that wouldn't eliminate our having values after all.
You commit the classical is-ought fallacy by moving from the observation that human perceptions of value are impermanent or transient to the conclusion that therefore nothing is truly valuable.
You argue a straightforward non sequitor.
The lack of agreement or permanence of our what we value is explained by the limits of human rationality and knowledge, not by the absence of true value.
mavaddat 1 year ago
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AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@AidanMclaren Avoiding fallacies is important if you care about being rational and consistent. By all means, if you do not care about these things, then just let me know.
I agree our values are subjective. So what? You seem to take it for granted that "subjective" includes "not real," whereas that is once again a straightforward non sequitor.
There is nothing fantastical or unreal about you, YouTube, or our discussion. So I fail to see how typing to you is not a genuine experience of reality.
mavaddat 1 year ago
@mavaddat
I just want get caught in your quagmire is why I scoff at your "fallacy" counter-arguments. The important thing to realise about our values being subjective is that they are fleeting and merely bred from a limited human mind. It's just an illusion, and therefore doesn't compensate anything what we REALLY desire. There would be no need to get on about Nietzsche or anyone if happiness existed.
Nothing unreal about me, just our dream-worlds.
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@AidanMclaren Our values result from our natural and nurtured psychology, our experiences, our social circles, etc. None of these processes has any claim to informing us of the "objective truth" of values. That much is true.
However, the valuation of goals doesn't need to "correspond to" anything to be "really" valuable. A migraine, e.g., is genuinely painful despite its being subjective. Therefore, avoiding a migraine is objectively a worthy pursuit. Morality is like this regarding behaviour.
mavaddat 1 year ago
@mavaddat
To my eyes, merely avoiding a migraine is neutral. There's nothing uplifting about it; just like being healthy.
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@AidanMclaren Ah, that's because you fail to realize that the desire to be healthy is a goal, a value. You do not realize there's a difference between the attainment of a goal (a fact) with the valuation of that goal (a value) and so you pretend that the former is somehow "objective" while the latter is totally baseless.
mavaddat 1 year ago
@mavaddat
When you are healthy, any subjective value you made of it beforehand vanishes. There's nothing to gain once you've attained it. It's like a cut on your skin. You're not thankful you don't have one, are you? That doesn't even enter your mind.
There is no happiness. This just proves it.. "Value" is merely a shallow uttering from a being lead by pain.
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
The very search for meaning creates meaninglessness. There is no need to concern yourself with the idea of meaning, when one uses delusion to console himself, ignorance is the result. He will suffer by that ignorance not for it.
AWAK3NEDM1ND 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH While Nietzsche does expose the 'danger' of Christian nihilism (the Birth of Tragedy by his young self and Schopenhauer), it is only one thing amongst many other critiques of various metaphysical and moral systems ( Beyond G&E)
The best expression of Nietzsche concerning morality is in the Geo of Morals. If we try to think Nietzsche's thoughts, we would see that: the essence of all moralities, thus far, is tyranny- either over others or over oneself. Hence Beyond Good and Evil
extraneus3000 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH While Nietzsche does expose the 'danger' of Christian nihilism (the Birth of Tragedy by his young self and Schopenhauer), it is only one thing amongst many other critiques of various metaphysical and moral systems ( Beyond G&E)
The best expression of Nietzsche concerning morality is in the Geo of Morals. If we try to think Nietzsche's thoughts, we would see that: the essence of all moralities, thus far, is tyranny- either over others or over oneself. Hence Beyond Good and Evil
extraneus3000 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH nope
cheguebera 1 year ago
God gives 10 commandments,,,and doesnt even require perfection,,,governments give thousands of rules but no one bitches and compalins endlessly ab that,,,why? I hear atheissts bitching nonstop ab GOD when what they really oppose is men using religion as a means to control other men,,,organized religion is the problem not the concept of GOD,,,,if u read the Bible it never calls for men to create an organized body of men to judge other men ,,,so please stop bitching ab GOD and look at yrself
candiceevans1 1 year ago
@candiceevans1 Not criticizing you but think of this...Its a similar thought to the one in this video...Imagine your heaven exists and you go there...for all eternity eventually one would run out of things to do just as in this world...Eventually there would be nothing else to pursue in this world if we were immortal, eternal is a long time but eventually nothing in all of existence would satisfy a person. If we aren't striving for something we are miserable and bored.
codester1111 1 year ago
@candiceevans1 you are bitching yourself. one thing most people don't realize is that we are all hypocrites and cannot evade being so. atheists do not believe in god (that's right, not "God" or "GOD") so the mindlesness we perceive of following a religious doctrine and forcing it upon others is justified, so far that we acknowledge that everything is forced upon us. and, fyi, polls show that the most educated religious group ON religion are atheist.
brutalkid1993 1 year ago
@brutalkid1993 Everything is forced on us in a sense I admit...in terms of determinism or infinite causation, term which I coined. Atheists are not a religious group though rather rely on objective fact to which physical cognition gives us by ocular evidence...etc... It is a disturbing thing when one realizes there is not really a self...then the thought of values comes up...and well...that can then lead to nihilism.Anything one may value then is then not created by a self but by the universe
codester1111 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH Well said...
horofhay 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH I can't say for certain but some religions seem to have roots at least in part due to some discontent with this world...ie hoping for a better one in an afterlife. So maybe its not so absurd in that way but in other ways well that's another discussion. I'm not so sure what is frightening about non-existence since we have in a strange way experienced countless times in sleep and before we were born. Similarly, the atheist version of this is singularitarian/transhumanists
codester1111 1 year ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH False belief? Because you believe in something else?
Ko252 11 months ago
@Ko252 "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Dick, Philip K.
qaplatlhinganmaH 11 months ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH "Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder" and so does reality.
Ko252 11 months ago
@Ko252
either something is real or it's not
Choose reality my friend it changed my life and it can change yours too
qaplatlhinganmaH 11 months ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH That is pure bull. Why? Because we cannot determine if something is real or not. We only think we can. I will give you an example: psychosis. Everbody perceive "reality" differently and understand it even more differently.
Ko252 11 months ago
@Ko252
if we believe something, that does not make it true.
just as if we disbelieve something that does not make not true
if something is real, it's real - that's why we call it "reality"
qaplatlhinganmaH 11 months ago
@qaplatlhinganmaH 1) I agree. 2) agree again. 3) True, BUT how would you know? For instance, you can just observe a small specter of the electromagnetic field, hear within a short span of frequency, taste a small portion of all that is to taste, feel a pinch of what is to feel, etc. This is, again, influenced and translated by your genes and your previous experiences. Can you, right now, with 100% security tell me if this is a matrix or not?
Ko252 11 months ago
@Ko252
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Dick, Philip K.
qaplatlhinganmaH 11 months ago 5
@qaplatlhinganmaH we all must eventually die... we can never fully satisy hunger, it always returns... nothing is permanant.... even the universe must perish... denying this fact is bad faith, nihilism attempts to enlighten us to it so we can eventually find happiness within such temporance. acceptance of destruction as a natural force of life can bring about its beauty.
Garcian 9 months ago
@Garcian You have failed to provide evidence for your personal belief that there could somehow be nothing that is permanent, so you lose.
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne eh!? you have failed to refute my supposition by offering something that is permanent!
Garcian 9 months ago
@Garcian There's no need to refute your silly belief -- it's nothing but an incorrect, blunt assertion.
You offered no evidence -- it's wrong.
There's no reason to accept your silly, nonsense belief that there could somehow be nothing permanent.
If that's a permanent fact, then there is something permanent.
If it ' not a permanent fact, then there's something permanent now, or there will be when that impermanent fact runs out, so no mater how you slice it, you lose.
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne when the impermanent fact runs out... it is merely ended by the onset of another impermenant fact. There is no permanance, you're literally having a laugh.
Garcian 9 months ago
The impermanent "fact" to which you refer is the notion that there could somehow be no impermanence. When that stops being true, which you admitted, it will be false, meaning that there will be something permanenet.
You dolt -- you have posited a self-refuting statement and you are too stump-dumb to even recognize that fact.
Fortunately, everyone else reading this is smarter than you, and smart enough to realize that I am right and you are wrong, and there are clearly permanent things.
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne Your'e arguing a strawman: argue my intial supposition by refuting its basis. Dont ask for proof of an ideal that has none. proof requires permanence, i argue there is none. Also, you seem to cling to your notion of intelligence as if its about to slip away from you. there is no right or wrong here, there is no permanence.
Garcian 9 months ago
@Garcian I have already proven, using copious logical evidence, that you are wrong and I am right in that there is indeed permanence.
You have merely stated the blunt, incorrect opinion that there somehow could not be permanence, but you have failed to offer any argument or evidence for that silly belief.
You lose, chump!
LOL
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne One simple question. give me one thing that is permanent?
Garcian 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne You want proof of an ideal that has none, proof requires permanence! How can i persuade you that there is permance to our actions. i cannot because life itself is impermanent.
Garcian 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne i just noticed your Username. i can't believe i actually responded to you initially.
Garcian 9 months ago
@80sGreekCultCinema Who plays Nietzsche? I think I recognize him, but can't place him.
wasteland70 1 year ago
@Ozscii No, quite the opposite. In fact, it may be said that his entire philosophy was an attempt to overturn the nihilism of Schopenhauer. Nietzsche is often misunderstood as a nihilist because he goes to such great lengths to describe and diagnose nihilism, but he does so (in my understanding) with the intention to show us a way out.
mavaddat 1 year ago 31
@mavaddat which he does not, he only writes of what is nihilistic. In the end he went insane, due to the fact that much of what is described as "nihilistic" is apart of life and must be overcome.
tooshortboi1 1 year ago
@mavaddat
And it was people like Nietzsche who didn't possess the maturity to understand that Schopenhauer was just merely telling it like it is and will always be. Why should his mere honest outlook on the world be labelled as "nihilism"? Trying to be optimistic in a really pretentious way like Nietzsche subscribed will not conquer life nor shield you from it and how it works.
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@AidanMclaren There is nothing about "reality" that demands rejecting the genuine importance of human values. Your conclusion is a consequence of very basic fallacies (as I have pointed out). Oh, but, oops! You cannot recognize your fallacies, because you deem all talk of fallacies to be nothing more than a rhetorical trick. For shame...
mavaddat 1 year ago
@mavaddat
But you are using some pretty pathetic sophistry here, I'm sorry. At least try to argue how knowing that your ideas about values has some legitimacy behind it instead of saying "fallacy" to anything you don't agree with.
You say all this because you know your life is meaningless, and that you are, indeed, nothing at all in the greater scheme of things...and that you will die with no compensation. That's all there is to it.
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@AidanMclaren I actually specified your fallacy in detail earlier. It's not a knee-jerk response to whatever I disagree with. You seem troubled to think clearly about this topic. You evince a dogmatic commitment belief in a world without importance.
The meaning of my life is created *by me*, so I am certain my life is meaningful. It's not even an interesting question.
What's interesting is why I should think other people's lives have value. But you don't even see this is the relevant question.
mavaddat 1 year ago
@mavaddat
I am troubled that you possess a manipulative and deceitful mind, actually. If you want me to play your childish game, I pose this to you: You create a delusion there is meaning, just as you create the delusion there is an "I". That is not a fallacy; there is nothing illogical about the idea that you pretend the subjective to be objective.
And if you want to talk about the validity of your delusion, have you considered that saying truth with a conviction makes you an imposter?
AidanMclaren 1 year ago
@mavaddat It's all it was an attempt from what I've read and heard so far.My advice is not to value truth too much which its too late for me. Not saying I have all the answers but I want it even though I know it is worthless itself too. Physics or rather the interpretation of ocular evidence in the universe states the sun will eventually annihilate life for example via super red giant...All we value will become as common dirt and meaning of anything will become vaporous.
codester1111 1 year ago
So the earth will die. Have you ever seen Star Trek? And who is to say what we can evolve into, maybe something non physical, yet eternal, and aware; We are talking about a billions of years of evolution. Who is to say this former type of life doesn't exist, in a naturally lawful way? Billions of years is a long time. What are we going on now as far intellectual self awareness goes? Several thous.years maybe. We uncovered one inch on a map that spans an infinity and your saying can't. Bullshit.
red2177 1 year ago
@mavaddat, i ran out of room.
red2177 1 year ago
@red2177 Evolution can't cope with million degree temperatures which physics predicts...It just simply tears molecules apart and its the objective fact. Even if we escaped the universe will approach absolute zero in a very long time. Anything "non physical" manifests itself physically...IE the idea of a circle, planet etc...All we can talk about is the physical as that is the very definition of the universe. Ocular evidence supports physics behaving the same in other solar systems.
codester1111 11 months ago
@mavaddat You're absolutely right. I am doing my PhD thesis on nihilism, and Nietzsche most certainly offers us a way out. To be sure, any one in doubt should read Keith Ansel-Pearson's 'Nietzsche as Political Thinker' or Beginster's 'The Affirmation of Life'.
radiofoos 1 year ago
@mavaddat Nietzsche maintained that 'Great Politics' wherein art and culture occupy the centre of a polis, is the only way to overcome nihilism. We must become creators, artists, and living breathing philosophers. The notion of the eternal return is supposed to be the ultimate test to see if we can affirm life to such an extent that we would welcome its eternal return.
radiofoos 1 year ago
@mavaddat Yes, precisely - he struggled to show us a way out!
horofhay 1 year ago
@mavaddat Was Nietzsche an atheist?
Drgamedood 10 months ago
@Drgamedood Yes, he's famous for stating that without God, there can be no meaning to life, and no accounting for the morality or immorality of anyone's actions.
Hitler, also a believer in atheist dogma, was a great fan of Nietsche, took that statement to mean that violence and killing aren't really morally wrong, as God states they are in all of his revealed scriptures.
1GodOnlyOne 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne cool story troll. hitler wasn't an atheist though. ;D
Drgamedood 9 months ago
@1GodOnlyOne Stop commenting in this kind of videos, you're just making a foll of yourself trying to look smart which you are not, you're just a mediocre mind who can't understand and try to fight what you can't understand.
Hitler didn't kill catholics , you can see pictures of many bishops who supported Hitler, His soldiesr were Christians, have you seen their belt buckle?. and also there's no "Atheist Dogma" he didn't do anything in the name of atheistm, you're just stupid. or a troll...
RoberMatts 9 months ago
Thank you for posting this. Namaste
gordinidesigns 1 year ago
Adore the book. Namaste
gordinidesigns 1 year ago
watch the youtube video:
Tim McGraw - Live Like You Were Dying - HQ (Official)
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
everything is useless,everything
Westyrulz 1 year ago
@Westyrulz dont life get you down
websufs 1 year ago
In a way could you not break it Eternal return through Déjà vu,what if it is only your Consciousness that does not rember and when you die you just restart to the time when your Consciousness come to being the closest i can explain to the point is "Groundhog Day" but your Consciousness forgot or in a way never remeber do to it never happening yet,but your subConsciousness remebers do to an third party source ie:your mind or more to detail your subConsciousness through a time loop ieEternalReturn
websufs 1 year ago 3
Nietzche, was filled with ego, which of course is the result of a man
who uses his capacities to only think.
In this movie, he comes off as a smug smartass, he 'knows' but
others don't.
Then why was be a mad man. You think he knew something"
He knew his own will and ego, but knew not enough to
recognize the 'delusion'.
His writings weren't his 'work', it was his 'life', which of
course, was an embarssing farce!
He has nothing to teach anyone!
fntime 1 year ago
fntime 1 year ago
Read the book, love yourself, see the film, puke yourself. Hated it.
WonderIsGood 1 year ago
So which one becomes Superman? I thought Clark Kent wore glasses, of course if that were true then he he couldn't have been Superman? Duh!
tomblack2112 1 year ago
now,,,,emagine that bruer was arnold schwarzenegger,,,,,suddenly,life has meaning.
edichkaa 1 year ago
Eternal return is a thought experiment, but he is urging us to go beyond good and evil, beyond the herd morality of Christianity, to accept responsibility for all the good and the bad things that have happened to us, to go beyond this life and to have the courage and the strength to will this upon ourselves in a godless world.
brigadierugly 1 year ago
The quote you gave in your text section is the one that had the most impact on me.
Great choice.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
I haven't seen this film, but it is nice to hear Nietzsche's words spoken by one who, to me, resembles him. This scene is quite moving.
33hegemon 1 year ago
imnotgonnadie man, look it up on WIKIPEDIA
It's been around for milleniums x ;)
bobdy9988 1 year ago
This kind of immortality is far more convincing than that offered by life-after-death religions.
bittersweetener 1 year ago
@bittersweetener So agreed with you! plus the new paper/theory about cyclic time of Peter Lynds and I am totally convinced 8)
IoannisC78 1 year ago
Interestingly, the idea of eternal return falls close to the parallel universe concept, which assumes the existence of an infinite number of exact copies of our world and of every one of us in them. One level further, in which "everything that may happen will actually happen," it allows for the reality in which the Big Bang which gave birth to our universe is going on eternally, so that there is a copy of our world in which you are already dead, alive and preborn, all at the same time!
bittersweetener 1 year ago
Some people are born posthoumously.
Nietzsche
milascave 1 year ago
read the book
TheGasLamp 1 year ago
is there another name for eternal return or eternal recurrence? is it called anything else?
imnotgonnadie1549 1 year ago
@imnotgonnadie1549 Metempsychosis (Greek: μετεμψύχωσις) or Palingenesia.
mavaddat 1 year ago 2
@mavaddat thank you :) <3
imnotgonnadie1549 1 year ago
@imnotgonnadie1549 "Cyclic return" or "cyclic recurrence"
bittersweetener 1 year ago
@imnotgonnadie1549 : The idea is also referred to by nietzsche as "The greatest weight"
selvmordspilot 1 year ago