JESUITS - gadget @ TTS -Ep3- Infrant ReadyNAS NV+

[SxeD4ve]

the backup button actually backs up the usb thumb drive to the nas

[aidanhill]

Would this work with an iMac and TV Apple?

[dirtydonki]

I sincerely hope that Netgear are showing you their appreciation for your fine review & demonstation/teach-in.

You just sold me one.

[gadgettts]

@dirtydonki,

Netgear is AWESOME with their stuff. They've allowed me to give away almost all of the gear they've sent me... even the stuff that I chose not to review.

You should check out the reviews we did of their NVX and Pro. Those two models are much closer to the new generation of ReadyNAS boxes... and just as impressive. :)

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Peace,

Fr. Robert

[grooveclubhouse]

time to get your geek on. 5 stars for that!

[pimpao68]

NICE JOB, NETGEAR can't do better explanaition. TYVM

[themountainviewguy]

And now Netgear/Infrant supports 2TB drives ... which I just filled my box with to give me 5.5 TB or redundant storage. Works very well so far ... just taking a long time to get data into or out of.

[TedTimmis]

Thank you Father Robert for this review. I think it is great that Catholic Clergy are getting tech savy and I think this has important implications for the Church. I have a tech related comment. Many of the media players now have internet radio pre-set stations (e.g. Windows Media Player, Orb, Squeezebox). One thing they are all missing are the various Catholic online radio stations. We need to get the word out to these companies that they need to include these stations.

[gadgettts]

TedTimmis,

Thanks for the kind comment. I wish everybody was as willing to see that Catholics can be geeky too! :)

I actually HAVE seen religious channels built into some of these Internet Radio enabled devices. The problem is that most of the GOOD Catholic content isn't indexed properly.

Hmmm... Perhaps THAT is something that I should start doing...

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Thanks again.

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Peace,

Fr. Robert

[modmadmike2]

AND IT RUNS LINUX!! you can SSH into it right out of the box and install any piece of linux software!!

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$ ssh root@192.168.1.192

root@192.168.1.192's password:

Permission denied, please try again.

root@192.168.1.192's password:

Linux walkershare 2.6.17.8ReadyNAS #1 Fri Sep 19 15:04:06 PDT 2008 padre unknown

walkershare:~#

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^­^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Shaodw89]

hey mate, i was wondering if you have any idea of a nas box with torrent capability?

i want exactly what you just reviewed, but with the ability to have torrents downloading and seeding on it because i cannot leave my macbook on 24/7

another good thing would be download scheduling?

im not sure if you know any but thought id ask, thanks

[themountainviewguy]

Look into QNAP, they have boxes with all kinds of software services. The problem is their support and help is terrible.

[themountainviewguy]

My "experienced" now opinion, since i have 2 of these is that they are not that great. The scaling and usefulness comes form the number of slots. since there are only 4 you can get the size of 3 drives redundant. The problem is that drive sizes are still getting larger. from the 750GB to the 1.5 TB drives, it means that really you do not get that much of an advantage in terms of flexibility. It costs about 400+ to upgrade the whole system. The idea of upgrading over time is a lie really.

[gadgettts]

themountainviewguy,

I understand your point of view, but in my experience the expandability has been fantastically useful. I just expanded our NV Pro from 3 x 500GB drives to 6 x 1.5TB drives. The array was nearly full and it managed to be upgraded over the span of 4 hours. (Pop in a drive, walk away, come back later, etc.)

We've got a NVX review due in a day or two. It's the next version of the NV+... take a look and see if you like.

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Peace,

Fr. Robert

[themountainviewguy]

yeah, but the readynas pro does not fit my criticism .... it has 6 bays, no? 6 slots makes sense ... and also something that will not put all the drives into one RAID device.

one question i have if you can answer. have you ever had a RAID/NAS filled with one size drive and then replace it will larger drives one at a time? if you do this when you insert the last drive will the size factor increase on all drives or are you grandfathered at the lower disk size?

[gadgettts]

themountainviewguy,

Wow... never even saw this comment... thanks YT.

To answer your question: Yes... I've expanded with larger drives. Once you've replaced the last drive you just need to restart the ReadyNAS (sometimes twice) and it will come up with a new volume using ALL available disk space.

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Peace,

Fr. Robert

[themountainviewguy]

That took a while ... but you knew the answer so I'll try another. If you start with one drive, then put another in, can you mirror that drive with the data on it?

If so, then if you put another drive in, can you convert to RAID5?

The expense of fully stocking these bays at the beginning with 6 drive that will be obsolete when finally fill it with data is too great. So I would envision starting with a 2TB mirror, and then adding on with 2TB drives as they get cheaper.

[gadgettts]

themountainviewguy,

No need to convert. The ReadyNAS OS will automatically do what it can to ensure that it is always 1-drive fail-tolerant. If you have two drives, it will mirror. 3 drives, it moves to RAID 5. 4 drives, more efficient RAID 5. Lose a drive out of 3 drive array and it will try to move back to mirroring. (Unless it can't because of a size problem.

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Peace,

Fr. Robert

[smirko]

WOOOW REAL READY NAS GIEF NAO!!!!

[tombmxcrowley]

i was qiuet suprised how well u reviwed this well done :D

[gadgettts]

tombmxcrowley,

Thanks! :)

[tombmxcrowley]

no problem.

got any hardware reviews coming up ??

[antivoterfraud]

Great Unit!!!

[gadgettts]

antivoterfraud,

That's what she said!

:)

Sorry... my students are in a "That's what she said" phase and it's stuck in my head! ("That's what she said!")

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Peace,

Fr. Robert

[LGSophie]

Oops, I meant "Popcorn Hour," not "Popcorn Time." I've narrowed my search to that and the EVA8000, but Popcorn Hour seems to have the edge.

[LGSophie]

Thanks for the review! Any advice on setting the NV+ up as a media server to stream audio and video using Popcorn Time, XBOX 360, PS3, etc.? If so, which media server would you recommend? Are dedicated media servers better for this purpose than game boxes? Thanks!

[RickyTomatoes]

I thought Jesuits were supposed to live in poverty.

I'm guessing all that computer equipment didn't come cheaply.

[gadgettts]

We don't but any of this gear. Nor do we get to keep it. It is loaned to us by the manufacturer and returned after the review. Peace, Fr. Robert

[TheKappaVFS]

Goddamn, this box gives me a geekchubby. It's everything I've ever wanted in a computer gadget and more! Seriously, I have a checklist of things I'd like to add to my network and this has all of them. Now, it's just a matter of coming up with the $1500 to get one...

[gadgettts]

TheKappaVFS,

Well if you are going to spend $1500, don't get this version, get the Pro. You can find the review in our more current episode list. Peace, Fr. Robert

[TheKappaVFS]

The Pro is pretty... Can't find it for any less than 2000 bucks, though.

:(

[gadgettts]

TheKappaVFS,

That's only because it's brand-spankin-new -- The Business edition (The one with 3 x 500GB hard drives and 3 empty bays) should sell for ~$1700.

Though I've seen the NV+ on CL for as low as $1200 with 4 1TB drives. Peace, Fr. Robert

[Trufseakur86]

WTF does this have to do with the jesuits!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[gadgettts]

Well, I'm a Jesuit. My work is FOR the Jesuits. I'm supported BY the Jesuits, and my contacts come THROUGH the Jesuits. --- If you want to know more, you can always continue to WATCH the videos or just visit our channel or visit TheTechStop(net) to see the explaination of our ministry. Peace,  Fr. Robert

[gadgettts]

Oh... and after checking out your channel I can add one more reason... I add "JESUITS" to the front of all my episodes in order to push down the videos from hate-mongering, conspiracy-theorist, tinfoil-hate-wearing nutjobs who OWNED the "Jesuit" seach on YouTube before I started my work. Peace, Fr. Robert

[mackjsm]

Love this guy!! Thanx for the info!

[Computerville]

NAS 2TB...?´Awesome...

RAID 0/1/5/10...

I have a RAID 0 setup of 4x300GB =D

[MRLX69]

How's the noise on one of these things? I've heard from "Tom's hardware" review that the fan is pretty loud... would I be able to have it in the same room and sleep? Although Tom's hardware were talking about the nv, not nv+

[tcmitton]

DUde IM sure you a cool guy. I want to play only monocore designed games like civ3 and civ4. I bought the best Intel I could find A P4 cedermill(64nm 'conroe') 3.4ghz with 2mb L2 cache and 2gigs of ram. Will this handle mono based applications better then coreduo?

[arjunpatti]

Nice ... i ll be dam if this works for Scanner. Was looking for a good solution for network scanner

[vgerprobe]

In the video it says that the ReadyNAS supports scanners. This isn't listed in the official product feature list, but neither is SSH and the newest firmware does support that. How is shared scanning supported? If it does do both scanning and printing I may try to get a couple of these for my office.

[gadgettts]

I used a Dell AIO with the NV+ ... I had access through the Dell control panel. I haven't actually tried with this a standalone USB scanner. I'll plug one in when I get back from CES and let you know if it worked properly.

[tmourt]

Have you ever had any luck getting a Dell AIO to work with a Mac. I am running OS X 10.4.11 and trying to print to a 968 AIO with no luck so far, even tried some Lexmark drivers. Curious as to why no support when Dell has been selling some computers with Linux pre-installed.

[gadgettts]

Hmmmm... not sure with the MAC. I don't think the virtual USB drivers work properly in a non-Windows environment. Lemme run a few tests on my end to see if I can get it working.

[gadgettts]

Out of the box... no... but it runs linux so..... We'll be doing a review of a Qnap box that does mysql natively.... check back in 10 or so episodes.

[pleasecho]

Christmas is coming :hint:

[koalabear2]

how much is costs?

[Sebastian402]

Coming from a you it makes it believable. Thank you...

[gadgettts]

Thanks for the compliment! --- I really enjoyed reviewing the NV+ ... I actually purchased one for my personal use and we use a set of ReadyNAS 1100s for storing 'gadget'

[shalamigri]

This is a great box here. I've been using this as part of my domain in my home network for some time now. I use it to store my DVD collection to stream to computers in my home. I keep it hidden away safely in my basement. I'm running out of space now, but all I have to do to add more space is simply remove a drive and replace it with a bigger one. It will rebuild the volume for me. AWESOME!

[gadgettts]

I really like the X-RAID implementation. It makes growing the RAID so simple.

[themountainviewguy]

> all I have to do to add more space is simply remove a drive and replace it with a bigger one.

This is my point, that is NOT all you have to do. If you have 4 drives of size X, putting a new drive of size Y, where Y > X will not help you one bit. You have to upgrade your whole array ... and it leaves you will 4 useless drives that are or little value to you.

You can start out with 2 drives, but then you waste 50% of your disks ... with all four drives you only waste 25% of your disks.

[robotavailable]

Have you seen the ioSafe R4 - an aircraft black box with the ReadyNAS inside... search for ioSafe on Youtube!

[themountainviewguy]

More X-RAID - X-RAID allows you to have a larger drive with unused capacity that you later can utilize if you put more drives in the device. Eg. if I have 4 x 250GB drives I have 1TB of storage. If I replace 1 drive with a 500GB drive, I still can only use 1TB, but it does allow you to mix different size disks, and to add them on the fly, although have heard this is a bit slow. Still this box is what you said, way better than anything else out there, the first of its kind I think.

[gadgettts]

You are right on all counts... I have a NV+ that I upgraded with 750GB drives... I just replaced one at a time and let the unit resync. It took a while, but damn it was cool to see it go!

[themountainviewguy]

So the benefit of XRAID is that you can grow this "organically" ... no benefit if you start out with a maximally/fully populated unit. When I set mine up I did not notice any way to set it up any other way ... it just started syncing the moment i powered up with drives in it ... i bought the empty unit. So far, I love it .. it is so cool ... as in nice, and not hot, both.

[themountainviewguy]

I just got mine and it is setting up as I type this. These guys (Infrante/Netgear) are very smart and saavy engineers. I cannot wait to get everthing up and running and set up. When you take the drive out you are not using X-RAID, you are using RAID5. The X-RAID is not that useful IMHO at least for me because I have it fully populated with 750GB drives.

[themountainviewguy]

My read on this is that X-RAID is RAID5 with added intelligence to look at the drives and optimize the setup on the fly. If you pull out any "ONE" drive, you do not lose any data, because it can be regenerated by either the data of the parity on the last drive.

[gadgettts]

Yes

[jedblack]

isnt X-raid just like raid-5? i would to see him take that 3 drive out....there goes your array...

[gadgettts]

X-RAID is somewhat like RAID-5, but it is a more flexible and fault-tolerant solution.

[themountainviewguy]

Tecnically I do not think the check-sum/redundancy is any different between RAID5 and XRAID ... I think the differnce is that the OS supports an organizing layer over the RAID5 protocol ... just a guess. Also, I'm wondering what is the performance hit if it is missing a drive and has to regen the data on the fly?

[gadgettts]

There is definitely a performance hit, but you maintain access to your data at all times. The default action of the ReadyNAS is to always provide some sort of redundancy, so if you lose a drive and you have enough free space, it will recreate the RAID 5 array with just the three drives. When you replace the failed drive, it will resize the volume to take advantage of the extra drive. It's actually a pretty slick system ---

[themountainviewguy]

That is a good idea and pretty slick ... but realistically if you have 4 disks and 1 fails, then the data is remapped to a 3x slice RAID5 ... you go from having 3/4(75%) disk usage to 2/3(66%) disk usage, then if and when you replace the disk what happens. The automated salvage of redundancy is a great idea though. I just hope it works, I have 4 750GB drives in mine, and expect to have lots of data on it. My big worry has always been the Windows part though.

[frededison]

Very good.

[bebecocoy]

I'm guessing, an X-RAID of 3TB will only give you 1.5TB of usable storage. Any comment on this?

[InteropNET]

An X-RAID of 3TB (using 4 x 750GB Drives) will give you 2.25GB of usable storage.

[ThatEvilGuy]

Also how is it's security? is ReadyNAS secure? I'll have it connected to a wireless router, so that kinda raises a concern. With a PC nas box atleast I can install an extra software firewall.

[deltaMazz]

I would make sure that NAS gets behind a NAT (it gets a LAN IP-addr that begins like 192.168.. or 10.0...)

and that the wireless traffic, between PC and NAS, is encrypted.

If the wireless router has a builtin firewall, then block all Internet access to/from NAS.

[ThatEvilGuy]

Thanks for the advices Delta! :)

[ThatEvilGuy]

wow, this was a really really good review, great presentation!

I wonder though, if I should buy a ReadyNAS now, or maybe wait a bit for them to release something new(not sure if they're are going to)

[gadgettts]

I think it really depends on your storage needs NOW. The buzz is that they are going to be developing a new rack-mounted unit that supports 8 SATA drives instead of 4, however, if you need storage NOW, and you can afford it, I don't know why you wouldn't want to get a NV+ --- If you want a rackmounted unit, try the 1100 --- We'll have a review of that unit in a few weeks

[ThatEvilGuy]

Cool, Thank you! I guess I'll go with it.

[themountainviewguy]

The more bays the more expensive the unit, incrementally, but the more useful and flexible it is too. I think 8 Bays would be great, and the ability to "VLAN" drives into at least 2 volumes might be nice as well. With every bay the 1/N overhead goes down ... and 8 to 10 bays seems like the natural level. That way you can grow your array and at various points decide to either expand horizontally or replace a few smal drives with larger ones as they get cheaper.

[shariff007]

Is there a way to allow remote access to the NAS drive? i.e. I've got a bunch of photos in my hard drive that a few of my friends like to have (because they're in it), so instead of me wasting time burning CDs/DVDs for each one of them, I would prefer to allow them to access certain folders from their home pc (by creating a session etc) over the internet, browse the pictures and download them off my drive/NAS. Is this possible with the NV+?

Or is the NV+ limited strictly to access within LAN?

[gadgettts]

Absolutely... all of the ReadyNAS units support HTT-P/HTT-PS/FT-P for remote file sharing. (I had to add the dashes because YouTube will not let you post anything that looks like an injection attack)

[shariff007]

Ok great... thanks a lot man...i can now ditch my idea of getting a Buffalo/Iomega Storcenter and go for ReadyNAS. Great product from a lesser know brand... but i'm sure they're gonna be a force to reckon with, especially given their recent acquisition by netgear (wonder what plans they have with em... hmmm).Neway, I'm in Singapore so I called their local representative here, & I'm happy to say they gave great customer support. Answered all my questions patiently & quick response! Awesome stuff

[gadgettts]

Sharif --- I'm glad that you had a good customer service experience. --- I've been in close contact with the Infrant guys since the aquisition and Netgear is giving them a wide berth to do what they do best.... That means that they should continue to have quality product and good service.

[chriswhitehead]

Infrant have now been bought by Netgear and they are trying to force us to only sell boxes fully populated with disks (1TB and 2TB). This means the wicked X-RAID feature will get less use and users have to shell out more cash in one go when they purchase one and they are not available with 750GB disks yet. I still have some bare units that i can build up with 750GB disks if anyone needs them. Just email or message me. nasdatastorage dot co dot uk

[hairlessasian]

Dude, let your drives stop spinning before playing with them. Just pop the it out an half an inch, let us spin down then pull it out.

[gadgettts]

Sorry about that... I guess I just got a little excited!

[nublerjr]

I was thinking about getting a ReadyNAS for a while, then I saw this video and it sealed the deal. I've been using it for about a week now and I'm very happy with it. It's really fast and the USB support is second to none. I've also heard that you can get a Netgear box and read ISOs directly from the box --- The problem is that I've already filled my 1TB NV+ and now I'm considering dropping $1600 to get 4 1TB drives.

[simpleflag]

people need to upload more clips like this. I prefer funnier stuff myself, check out dolphinhump. lostfrog . com , I laughed so hard I got kicked out of class! haha.

[nicanis2000]

What are the movies playing in the background? I think the one on the right is March of the Penguins. The one on the left?

[gadgettts]

Wing Commander

[XduOv3r]

Dude!! This product is so awesome!! I wish I could get one of these for my birthday! I mean, 1 TB of storage! and X-RAID!

[nicanis2000]

Actually, it's not just 1TB. I've been drooling over the "empty" NV+ --- They sell the NAS without the drives, then you can buy a set of 4 750GB SATA drives and get 3TB of X-RAID storage!

[geeksmack]

Do we get a prize if we can name the movies playing in the background? --- BTW... I love the sticker on your laptop!

[gadgettts]

Hmmm... I had not planned on it... but perhaps that would be a good thing --- Anybody have suggestions for what I should give away?

[Micfri]

I want one...600 bucks is a bit much though...I have got a least 1 more open drive bay in my comp anyways I think.

[gadgettts]

It is a lot of money... but the security of having your data in a RAID is worth it. We've actually been using a 2TB NV+ to store all our raw footage. The performance is so good that we've been able to do edits using nothing but network storage.

[Micfri]

OMG dude, I need that, I don't know what format you shoot in, I'm guessing DV which gives you like 13 gigs per hour of footage, I shoot in 720p and I get a 40gig file for a 5 minute video in raw. I need this thing bad, but I need to save my money also.

[gadgettts]

I totally understand --- That's a lot of money to put down on storage... even if it's a brilliant piece of technology. Still... I've found no better way to store our footage. The NV+ even outperforms the P4 boxes that we've loaded up with drives in a RAID 0+1 configuration... and at 1/4th the power consumption and 1/10th the noise.