Martial Arts Odyssey: Bokator Fighting (Part 1)

[VietzRus]

anyone can say look I have a ancient style, pick out a old name of a long dead art, point out old murals or verses that reference fighting and say look I teach that and make a lot of money. TKD is well documented they say its 2000 year history and is korean but its really Karate was more kicks and is less then 50 years old, look up haidong gumdo,hapkido,hwarangdo, all these frauds follow a pattern/story that san kim saen following, the only different is he didnt get caught yet.

[brooklynmonk1]

@ichibang15549 he meant krama, which isthe khmer head scarf we wear and which we use for a weapon in bokator. if you type krama in a word document, the auto-correct automatically changes the spelling to karma. I have actually published articles with that mistake in them.

[unknownally]

@ichibang15549 whoops I meant Krama

[lazy702622]

Kim San is a practitioner of Hapkido for over 25 years. He never learned traditional Khmer martial arts so there is no way he can be an authority on what he has never mastered. telling fairy takes about fighting lions what BS. AFAIK the animals styles/stances seem to not be genuine kbach kun boran Khmer. These are so-called demonstration styles but when they fight they use non of there skills they spent hours on and revert of basic kickboxing. I feel sorry for those who got there black karma.

[brooklynmonk1]

@lazy702622 I dont really need your pity. What a strange thing to say that you feel sorry for those who got their black krama. Why? Because they learned an interesting martial art, got fit and feel pride in their country? Are these attributes you would take away from someone? Also, with exception of Kyokushin, most traditional styles can't fight at all, so when they get in a ring, they revert to kickboxing or very bad kick boxing because it's not what they study.

[brooklynmonk1]

@brooklynmonk1 It is well known that Grand Master studied and taught hop kido for years. I challenge you to prove, however, that he never studied Bokator. That would be impossible to prove. As for the fighting, bradal serey and jap bap are both components of Bokator. so if the fighting sometimes looks like kick boxing that is allowed.

[chuphatyou]

@brooklynmonk1

bokator is all about elbows rather than knees. look to tony jaa who is cambodian

[brooklynmonk1]

@chuphatyou There are about 19 knees in bokator and 26 elbows. Tony Jaa is not Khmer. He is Kuy, but he speaks Khmer. Please see the lengthy article I did, training in his village, with his teacher, Adjan Sok Chai. Also the videos on my channel Martial Arts Odyssey: Muay Boran and Muay Surin were shot in Tony's village, with his teacher. Tony jaa does Muay Boran, which is different than Bokator becasue Muay Boran has no ground fighting or animal styles.

[brooklynmonk1]

@chuphatyou Tony Jaa is a Thai citizen, born and raised his whole life in Thailand, as are his parents. he is a member of the Kuy ethnic minority and speaks Khmer as well as Thai. He is not Khmer and has never trained in cambodia

[hazza3]

@brooklynmonk1 Ummm Tony Jaa is a Khmer Surin, he doesn't have an ounce of Thai in him apart from his nationality saying he is.

[brooklynmonk1]

@hazza3 At no point in this video or in these comments have I claimed that Tony Jaa was ethnic Thai. I think if you read this again you will find about five times that i have explained tony jaa is a member of the kuy ethnic group. he is neither thai nor khmer. he was born in thailand and is a thai citizen. he and his family speak thai, khmer and kuy.

[hazza3]

@brooklynmonk1 Oh sorry, I just read it again now and you did say Thai nationality and not ethnicity. My bad mate.

[brooklynmonk1]

@hazza3 No worries, I get a bit touchy about this issue because I keep getting angry email from Khmericans and Thais who have never been to Tony jaa's village, trained with his teacher or interviewed his parents.

[hazza3]

@brooklynmonk1 I know how you feel, it gets on my nerves how one group of people claim to "own" something without actually knowing about it.

[VietzRus]

@brooklynmonk1 Well its documented that he studied HAPkido and earned a very high rank, but there is nothing on his bokator training or history not even from a third party.So he was no bokator crediblity other then his word. Also it takes many years and hours of hapkido training to be a grandmaster, and with both arts boasting 10s of thousands of techniques how did he ever find the time for bokator or vice versa???

[VietzRus]

@brooklynmonk1 just to be a ass, "Traditional styles" Boxing,Muay Thai, Muay Lai Lao, Lethwei,Bradel serey, Vo tuDo, Judo, Jujutsu, most styles of Wrestling, pankration,savate etc etc ARE VERY TRADITIONAL styles.......all very old and follow a method. =] But I guess you mean traditonal as in "Karate" or "Taekwondo". mostly do to gyms focusing on children or lack of quality instruction . Unless your a Machida or Cung le I would have to agree.

[chuphatyou]

@lazy702622

bokator is all about elbows rather than knees. look to tony jaa who is cambodian

[piseth7]

hopefully he will train more apprentice so the word of bokatar can spread... far enough for me to find an academy ofcourse :)

[BradTYTH]

Im not aware of his involvement with Aikido but what is true......San KIm Saen was once a Hapkido instructor. 3 years ago, an instructor here showed me his black belt certification which was signed by a few masters, one of which was San Kim Saen. The instructor didnt recieved it Texas but in the Northeastern States. Can't say where exactly but will hint that its in Brooklynmonk1's neck of the wood. I'm Cambodian and I don't buy into this Bokator hype because everything about it is questionable

[lazy702622]

@BradTYTH I find bokator questionable as well, nothing adds up when you do the math. like Kim saen said bokator is better then hapkido and has 10,000 techniques(which would take a life tme to learn) why did he even bother to master hapkido and even earned a 7th degree grandmaster title and teach it for many years in america if bokator has everything and more as he claims? then out of nowhere go back to cambodia and sudden teach bokator? lol like many new styles his story is bogus.

[unknownally]

@boroshsonny Yeah I think it was your dad or whoever he is to you who fucked my uncle up lol.

I hope the art is restored to what it was originally instead of all this aikido shit.

[brooklynmonk1]

@unknownally I have no idea what you are saying. I have read your comment three times and still don't know what it means. I am fairly certain you don't know my father. I am also fairly certain I didn't fuck anyone up, unless you are talking about someone I was fighting in the video. there is no aikido in any of my videos. i have never shot a show in Japan. and, no one knows what the original Khmer martial arts were like as there are no records. please repost your comment in standard english.

[unknownally]

@brooklynmonk1 "@boroshsonny" please see who the reply is for.

What I mean about "aikido shit" is that in this so called "Bokator," this "sensei" mixes it up with Aikido. He was an Aikido instructor before he was a "Bokator" instructor.

[brooklynmonk1]

@unknownally First off, I stand by my comment, there is no aikido in any of my videos. Next, this sensei has a name, Grand Master San kim Saen. and he has never even once in his life taught or studied Aikido. I am Antonio Graceffo, the first foreigner to earn a black Krama in bokator fighting. I speak from experience. how many years did you train with Grand master San Kim Saen?

[unknownally]

@brooklynmonk1 I forgot his name. It says he use to teach Hapkido, actually, in Houston, Texas.

en.wikipedia[dot]org/wiki/Boka­tor

If this is true or not, I don't know for a fact. Bokator means to hit a Lion, you must know that since you speak Khmer. It is actually a branch of Kbach Kun Khmer Boran. It is actually only the weapons part of the art. I guess San Kim Saen decided to use that name for the media.

Anyways I'm not trying to disrespect Bokator, you, or San Kim Saen.

[unknownally]

@brooklynmonk1 I actually support the whole idea and if you don't mind, when is the moving going to be released?

[lazy702622]

you got to be a idiot if you beleive san kim saen's story. everythng looks so made up, and rushed. the forms??? the weapons??? 10,000 techniques??? ..And Sensei is a japanese term dude...wow first foreigner to earn to a black karma in bokator fighting aka Bokator for dummies. didnt you use to hate on color belts and rank now you bragging about your rank thats not even real bokator but a watered down version of a fake art. I dont blame you for believing him didnt you say you were in special ed?

[unknownally]

@brooklynmonk1 I'm Cambodian and we all know our history btw. That's how I know what Bokator means. But one thing is also questionable, which is the karma. Cambodians do indeed know that it was apart of the ancient art. So he got that part right. And when is that fucking movie coming out?

[brooklynmonk1]

@boroshsonny Yes, his is a pronoun. in Khmer there are very few pronouns because for possessive you say robot, (belongs to) like robot gwat or robot knyom or robot buk ghe...We are still brothers. No worries. but as a language teacher, I always feel I have to help people understand grammar.

[brooklynmonk1]

@boroshsonny What I "think" is irrelevant. "Think" implies an opinion. but we are talking about fact. boran is an adjective, meaning 'ancient." it can only be an adjective, never a noun or a verb. If you say Kbach Kun Khmer boran, then Khun and kbach are both nouns or khun is an adjective modifying kbach. boran is an adjective. there are no pronouns in there at all. do you even know what a pronoun is? Khmer only has a handful of pronouns. in English, I, you, he she it...Khmer knyom, kwar...

[brooklynmonk1]

@boroshsonny an adverb of the pronoun????? I have no idea what you are talking about. An adverb modifies a verb or adjective. and neither khmer nor Boran is a pronoun.

[khmerbraveheart]

feel bad for the khmer guy. he's a dummy hahaha, getting beat up by 2 guys. the teacher and the trainer. haha.. good video.

[unknownally]

My uncle is a mixed martial artist, mid 30's. Trained since childhood. Really good fighter. Big and buff,

There's a master here who is teaching his kids. My dad says he's the real deal. My dad is a native of Cambodia 50 years of age. Knows a lot of history of Cambodia. Gives the guy credit of authenticity.

The master is almost 80 and fucked my uncle up during a match.

He doesn't call if Bokator, though. He calls it Khmer Boran.

[richeezy]

Yo Antonio! hey man. Im from New Zealand, how do i get myself over to this Master lol. Like seriously, i wanna come train man. Hit me back please! Chur Chur bro

[brooklynmonk1]

so sorry absolutely cant read your comment. could you write it again in khmer script?

[GetDamage]

I don't think the muay thai plum is done right in this video. the plum is a little more complicated than it looks. the elbows should have been locked to prevent the other guy from closing the distance and putting in the forearm to the throat. Cool video, the forearm/elbow to throat is a great defense to the bear hug/ body lock.

[brooklynmonk1]

this is not muay thai. it is bokator. cambodia, not thailand. it is done exactly right for cambodia. the grand master is teaching this. there is no better authority on cambodian martial arts.

[RobDaFob]

aah i really wish for a bokator school in Lowell!!! -__-

[HotKebab]

Hmmm.... Does he have any female students?

[brooklynmonk1]

yes, girls are allowed, but i have never seen more than four girls in the sea of thirty or more guys on any given day and most days there are no girls. but if you want to come train, you are more than welcome.

[HotKebab]

I would love to train, but I've got to get study out of the way first. =D

As soon as Im finished studying Im jumping on plane to go over and learn, maybe also do a bit of filming if allowed to.

[outbacktraveler]

keep up the good work

[hotpopcorncake]

Bokator woot!!