A.K. Dewdney wrote "The Planiverse" about a 2d world that actually had a "down". He went into some great discussions on not just how living things with a society could live in such a world without being bisected (their digestive systems and veins work like a zipper), but in the appendix he goes into the very physics of such a world -- elements, 2d molecules and biology, etc.
@SuperDubyman Haha, that would be a pretty short video! "The first dimension is a line with no width or depth, passing through any two points". End of video, roll credits. :) Or you could just watch this video from 1:05 to 1:15.
@10thdim Yeah my bad hahaha... didn't have any idea what the videos were about before I started watching. Now I watched them. I posted a few other more intelligent questions on the other videos haha, reply on those too
If the 2nd Dimension "beings" like cartoons or anime & 2D games do exist, then the otaku ppl will be very, very happy! (They finally found their paradise!)
Last comment for now, swear. Could it be possible to have some form of "dimensional phobia" because I'm not sure why I have such an irrational nervousness when I stop to think at any moment, look around everywhere and see waves, particles, dimensions, and all that stuff, then wonder where all that shenanigans finds a foundation keep it all standing. If we go beyond our assumption of how small things go, what will find? What if we expand? How would we know in a ratio-ruled universe?
Would this Flatland place be the inspiration for neo-cubism? Also, my (hopefully) more pertinent question that I'm not sure has been answered anywhere is: can a lower dimension be nested within a larger dimension than the one directly between the two? I mean, can you have two dimensional things involved with/affected by fourth dimensional effects/qualities/whatever? Can the second dimension skip the third in order to have its own relationship with the fourth dimension, regardless of the 3rd?
@2ndhandsoul (Continued...) Is it prerequisite for lower dimensions to be part of an intervening dimension in order to be involved with the succeeding one? Must any previous dimension need to be nested within the following in order to "rise" to the next, even if it's indirectly, like we're the vehicle for second dimensional things to explore the third dimension. Could they even know, hypothetically speaking of two dimensional sentient things?
@2ndhandsoul (These comment blocks are too short!) Anyway, if the previous question above were true, could that mean we're but a portion of a fourth (or even higher) dimensional self/creature/thing/whatever. Each three dimensional "slice" can only see their related fourth dimensional intersection across their resident plane?
@2ndhandsoul So, then, what dimension does our consciousness, should we assume it's real and exists, reside? Is our inability to be aware of the multiple selves across the multiverse co-existing across dimensional realities something like seeing the three dimensional universe through a kaleidoscope or fractured crystal or hologram thingy. It doesn't feel like ONE self seeing through multiple sets of eyes, though. This might lead into questions that take us off the path of this video's intent.
@2ndhandsoul Is our consciousness fragmented by three-dimensional organs, which then perceives movement and such through the fourth in the sequential manner, particular to this one continuing universe taking place within the fifth? I think I'm getting confused with all the Mobius (?) Strip connections (infinity bound within another infinity!? ow my brains!).
If Flatlanders could exist would they ever really see anything? You said in the video that the 2nd Dimension has no depth at all, so in other words the Flatlander could not see anything, ever, that includes not seeing lines. You contradicted yourself in your video.
@Vlademir222 Watch Imagining the Third Dimension and you'll see I use the same logic to argue that you and I can't see the third dimension. There's no contradiction in that statement.
@10thdim Hay Rob! If we see in the 2nd dimension in a 3 dimensional world that can only get a hint of the 4th dimension, would you say that a computer perceives reality by seeing points on the 1st dimension that is existing in the 3rd dimension? Maybe the reason it can't think for it self because it's not complete. There is not 2nd dimension for it to perceive.
@Vlademir222 we are built of cells individually, they are 3 dimensional spatially, mass, superposition, and time. if the organism in question is modular, could logical units or single unit totally function only needing 1 dimension to be a machine? your cells, and probably anything motile needs to 'function' literally.
ah I'm very glad you're making these videos, the imagine the 10th dimension video was very good, however a bit difficult to get the first time watching, since it really went very fast. I'll be watching all of these
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, if the second dimension can exists if we substitute a right angle, and that reality as it exists in its entirety is so mind bending and unbelievably strange and incomprehensible as of now, can (and please forgive my ignorance on the subject) cartoon world theoretically exist? Now the same exact worlds that people draw and post on TV, but can a universe existing on the second dimension be cartoonish, or is this just misplaced thinking?
@sentenal01 Interesting question! As I say in this video, I'm not sure a 2D creature could actually exist, since a second dimensional awareness would be very limited in what it could perceive. Cartoon characters, even though they're flat, appear to be able to see around themselves the same way you and I do, so they're not really flatlanders. Watch this: 73IGTygl_Q4
But even if living flatlanders couldn't really exist doesn't mean the second dimension doesn't exist.
Hey 10th Dim! These Vids Are Great. But I Want To Ask Something... Sence Flatlanders See Lines They Would Alwalys Be Looking At The 1st Diminsion. So Doesnt Every Creature In A Diminsion Can Only See The Diminsion Below With Depth Perception Of It? So Is It Posible To Imagine The 10th Dim Even From A 10th Dim's Creatures Perspective?
As a fan I feel compelled to point something out to you. At 3:09 in the video, after you have the discussion about being able to imagine no depth, you go into the world of Flatlanders, and there you imagine what they would see. Instead of seeing a Jack in a deck of cards they see merely lines.
But isn't the line something that has depth, even if it only a mere one pixel in your video.? Wouldn't Flatlanders actually see nothing, not even the different lengths of lines?
@sarah55413 Right, as I say in this video, if you're imagining lines and planes that have depth, then you're not imagining what we're talking about here with 1D and 2D. Yes, a 2D drawing of a 1D line isn't really a 1D line, but it helps us to discuss the idea. How would flatlanders perceive those lines? That's their problem :)
If you watch the next video, Imagining the 3rd Dimension, you'll see a similar argument - are you aware that we can't actually see the 3rd dimension? watch?v=-D4swzK4sKk
TV's, Movie screen, etc....these have no depth.....Not understanding why people have a hard time imaging the 2nd dimension...When you see it everyday...
If we presume 4D space time is curved in on itself such that if we travel far enough in one direction we will wind up back where we come from, & the faster we travel through space the slower time is to the point that if we travel faster than the speed of light we would be traveling backward in time. Dose that mean if we traveled in a straight line faster that the speed of light in one direction, we would end up at the same point that we left but in the past? Oh no! I've gone cross-eyed XS
Well, everyday, us 3 dimensional beings only witness an infinitesimal sliver of time for our reality just as the flat lander see's only an infinitely thin 1 dimensional line for their reality... interesting.
I'm glad I subscribed, this looks like a promising channel...
Thanks for the series Rob! Any chance you could include M-Theories that include the 11th dimension I am still trying to grasp the 11th dimension within the context of the Imagining the the 10th dimension series.
Couldn’t it be possible that a 2 dimensional being could have a different way of sensing their 2 dimensional world. Perhaps they could “feel” objects that exist in their 2 dimensional world within a certain range instead of “seeing” them as lines and dots.
@frageee I am not to sure this is true because time is wrapped up within the first three expended dimensions. However hypothetically some being that exists solely in the 4th dimension perhaps would views us as Rob so eloquently described as "undulating snakes" , 3 dimensional constructs flowing thru the currents of time moving from one 5th dimensional point to another. Note: We are by GR technically 4th dimensional beings already : )
@frageee From what I understand, we're talking about the 4th space-like dimension - and you might be referring to when people describe time as being like a fourth dimension. I suspect the two are actually different ideas discussed by different people.
@Azartusfar Yes, you could say that since I'm the owner of Talking Dog Studios. The credits song is taken from the instrumental track for my song "Everything Fits Together". watch?v=6nAS2trDuck
Imginging the third dimension : Look around you. - This has been imaginging the third dimension by Rob Bryanton.
Speaking of which, remember when you said how would someone see in the 2nd dimension, refering to it as limited, if there were a fourth+ dimnensional being, would they not also refer to us as "How can you live like that?" in a way?
@themanwiththepan Absolutely! If I were seventh dimensional I would definitely think of the sixth dimension as being extremely limited. That additional degree of freedom that each spatial dimension adds is huge, wouldn't you agree? The difference between a line and a plane is very large, but the difference between a plane and a 3D space is even more of a leap, and that continues with each new "right angle" that we add.
its sad that ijustine, rwj and other retards get millions of subscribers and this has 20k. and we wonder why are school systems around the world awful.
would things existing solely in the 2:nd (and 1:st dimension) be "invisible" to us? Since they have no way to "relate" to the 3:rd dimension (if they did they would'nt be 2:nd dimensional objects right?)....
@TwoOldOaks Actually, it's a 2D projection, since the video screen has no depth. But yes, a tesseract is a four dimensional cube, and the rotations we see it going through would not happen in the same way if the shape we were looking at was three rather than four dimensional.
@10thdim does the tesseract move in all directions? i see it only folding inside out in the right direction.... wouldent all faces move inside-out together?
Parallel lines are ideas as well.
burchified 1 week ago
but dragons exist...
o0LunaticAsylum0o 1 week ago
I DON'T OWN A BOAT AND I DONT LIKE THE WATER.
belkinmg 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
lol I think people on 2d world also watching their youtube and imagining 3rd dimension
xmenxwk 1 month ago
A.K. Dewdney wrote "The Planiverse" about a 2d world that actually had a "down". He went into some great discussions on not just how living things with a society could live in such a world without being bisected (their digestive systems and veins work like a zipper), but in the appendix he goes into the very physics of such a world -- elements, 2d molecules and biology, etc.
jasonleeholm 1 month ago in playlist More videos from 10thdim
3:07 wouldn't it need depth to see lines like that?
Turboviiper 1 month ago
Dragons don't exist?
TheWillwillwill 1 month ago
You managed to pervert physics! congratulations.
aradioactivedonut 1 month ago
Where the hell is the 1st video (Imagining the 1st Dimension i assume...) of this series????????
SuperDubyman 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@SuperDubyman Haha, that would be a pretty short video! "The first dimension is a line with no width or depth, passing through any two points". End of video, roll credits. :) Or you could just watch this video from 1:05 to 1:15.
10thdim 1 month ago 12
@10thdim Yeah my bad hahaha... didn't have any idea what the videos were about before I started watching. Now I watched them. I posted a few other more intelligent questions on the other videos haha, reply on those too
SuperDubyman 1 month ago
@SuperDubyman the first dimension is a line no really mystery there
MrWazzup987 1 month ago
If the 2nd Dimension "beings" like cartoons or anime & 2D games do exist, then the otaku ppl will be very, very happy! (They finally found their paradise!)
KhinShaider 2 months ago
So is color the 12th dimension? What dimension is color in?
smkipus 2 months ago
So, by the time I got to Imagining the Fourth Dimension, most of my previous questions were answered. Sorry for my impatience. :)
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
Last comment for now, swear. Could it be possible to have some form of "dimensional phobia" because I'm not sure why I have such an irrational nervousness when I stop to think at any moment, look around everywhere and see waves, particles, dimensions, and all that stuff, then wonder where all that shenanigans finds a foundation keep it all standing. If we go beyond our assumption of how small things go, what will find? What if we expand? How would we know in a ratio-ruled universe?
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
Would this Flatland place be the inspiration for neo-cubism? Also, my (hopefully) more pertinent question that I'm not sure has been answered anywhere is: can a lower dimension be nested within a larger dimension than the one directly between the two? I mean, can you have two dimensional things involved with/affected by fourth dimensional effects/qualities/whatever? Can the second dimension skip the third in order to have its own relationship with the fourth dimension, regardless of the 3rd?
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
@2ndhandsoul (Continued...) Is it prerequisite for lower dimensions to be part of an intervening dimension in order to be involved with the succeeding one? Must any previous dimension need to be nested within the following in order to "rise" to the next, even if it's indirectly, like we're the vehicle for second dimensional things to explore the third dimension. Could they even know, hypothetically speaking of two dimensional sentient things?
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
@2ndhandsoul (These comment blocks are too short!) Anyway, if the previous question above were true, could that mean we're but a portion of a fourth (or even higher) dimensional self/creature/thing/whatever. Each three dimensional "slice" can only see their related fourth dimensional intersection across their resident plane?
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
@2ndhandsoul So, then, what dimension does our consciousness, should we assume it's real and exists, reside? Is our inability to be aware of the multiple selves across the multiverse co-existing across dimensional realities something like seeing the three dimensional universe through a kaleidoscope or fractured crystal or hologram thingy. It doesn't feel like ONE self seeing through multiple sets of eyes, though. This might lead into questions that take us off the path of this video's intent.
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
@2ndhandsoul Is our consciousness fragmented by three-dimensional organs, which then perceives movement and such through the fourth in the sequential manner, particular to this one continuing universe taking place within the fifth? I think I'm getting confused with all the Mobius (?) Strip connections (infinity bound within another infinity!? ow my brains!).
2ndhandsoul 2 months ago
You don't have to imagine, just play quake live ^^
MaximusDisplay 2 months ago
If Flatlanders could exist would they ever really see anything? You said in the video that the 2nd Dimension has no depth at all, so in other words the Flatlander could not see anything, ever, that includes not seeing lines. You contradicted yourself in your video.
Vlademir222 3 months ago
@Vlademir222 Watch Imagining the Third Dimension and you'll see I use the same logic to argue that you and I can't see the third dimension. There's no contradiction in that statement.
10thdim 3 months ago 5
@10thdim Hay Rob! If we see in the 2nd dimension in a 3 dimensional world that can only get a hint of the 4th dimension, would you say that a computer perceives reality by seeing points on the 1st dimension that is existing in the 3rd dimension? Maybe the reason it can't think for it self because it's not complete. There is not 2nd dimension for it to perceive.
DeadHappyFilm 2 months ago
@Vlademir222 they could see, just not how we do.
shoshanish 2 months ago in playlist More videos from 10thdim
@Vlademir222 we are built of cells individually, they are 3 dimensional spatially, mass, superposition, and time. if the organism in question is modular, could logical units or single unit totally function only needing 1 dimension to be a machine? your cells, and probably anything motile needs to 'function' literally.
Pimpmastahanhduece 2 months ago
ah I'm very glad you're making these videos, the imagine the 10th dimension video was very good, however a bit difficult to get the first time watching, since it really went very fast. I'll be watching all of these
ikeeln00bz 3 months ago
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, if the second dimension can exists if we substitute a right angle, and that reality as it exists in its entirety is so mind bending and unbelievably strange and incomprehensible as of now, can (and please forgive my ignorance on the subject) cartoon world theoretically exist? Now the same exact worlds that people draw and post on TV, but can a universe existing on the second dimension be cartoonish, or is this just misplaced thinking?
sentenal01 3 months ago in playlist sentenal01's favorites
@sentenal01 Interesting question! As I say in this video, I'm not sure a 2D creature could actually exist, since a second dimensional awareness would be very limited in what it could perceive. Cartoon characters, even though they're flat, appear to be able to see around themselves the same way you and I do, so they're not really flatlanders. Watch this: 73IGTygl_Q4
But even if living flatlanders couldn't really exist doesn't mean the second dimension doesn't exist.
Thanks for writing!
Rob
10thdim 3 months ago
Hey 10th Dim! These Vids Are Great. But I Want To Ask Something... Sence Flatlanders See Lines They Would Alwalys Be Looking At The 1st Diminsion. So Doesnt Every Creature In A Diminsion Can Only See The Diminsion Below With Depth Perception Of It? So Is It Posible To Imagine The 10th Dim Even From A 10th Dim's Creatures Perspective?
TheCyberneticGamer 4 months ago
Hello Rob, can we say we life in the fifth dimension because we have free will en we see one frame of the fifth dimension" the life pad " ?
Greetings from Belgium
Marxcky 4 months ago
@Marxcky Yes, that's what I'm proposing with this project. Nice to hear from Belgium, a surprising number of people from there have bought my book!
Thanks for writing,
Rob
10thdim 4 months ago
As a fan I feel compelled to point something out to you. At 3:09 in the video, after you have the discussion about being able to imagine no depth, you go into the world of Flatlanders, and there you imagine what they would see. Instead of seeing a Jack in a deck of cards they see merely lines.
But isn't the line something that has depth, even if it only a mere one pixel in your video.? Wouldn't Flatlanders actually see nothing, not even the different lengths of lines?
sarah55413 4 months ago
@sarah55413 Right, as I say in this video, if you're imagining lines and planes that have depth, then you're not imagining what we're talking about here with 1D and 2D. Yes, a 2D drawing of a 1D line isn't really a 1D line, but it helps us to discuss the idea. How would flatlanders perceive those lines? That's their problem :)
If you watch the next video, Imagining the 3rd Dimension, you'll see a similar argument - are you aware that we can't actually see the 3rd dimension? watch?v=-D4swzK4sKk
10thdim 4 months ago
Man its stunning to know that human have a limit on what we can imagine its like the higher and loswer dimenson are amazing task for the human mind
boyODD 4 months ago
excellent
pregnantnproud 4 months ago
I got confused when he started talking aboot a boat.
AfroZero 4 months ago
TV's, Movie screen, etc....these have no depth.....Not understanding why people have a hard time imaging the 2nd dimension...When you see it everyday...
gtyme125 4 months ago
Rob you are brilliant I do hope that you one day get the aclaim you truly and richly deserve
baldricksnosehairs 4 months ago
If we presume 4D space time is curved in on itself such that if we travel far enough in one direction we will wind up back where we come from, & the faster we travel through space the slower time is to the point that if we travel faster than the speed of light we would be traveling backward in time. Dose that mean if we traveled in a straight line faster that the speed of light in one direction, we would end up at the same point that we left but in the past? Oh no! I've gone cross-eyed XS
DouglasASean 4 months ago in playlist More videos from 10thdim
Well, everyday, us 3 dimensional beings only witness an infinitesimal sliver of time for our reality just as the flat lander see's only an infinitely thin 1 dimensional line for their reality... interesting.
I'm glad I subscribed, this looks like a promising channel...
ApatheticOmniscience 4 months ago
I'm so going to take these step by step videos to see if I get something I didn't before. By the way, Rob, are you canadian?
TheRockandroy 4 months ago
Read the book Flatland.
drsmit8 4 months ago
Everytime I saw that dot zoom out I though of the Southpark intro.
DisarrayINC 4 months ago
I'm intrigued and looking forward to the rest of the series I subscribed and thumbed so carry on my teacher :)
MozleyEsley 4 months ago
Thanks for the series Rob! Any chance you could include M-Theories that include the 11th dimension I am still trying to grasp the 11th dimension within the context of the Imagining the the 10th dimension series.
Nerfherder3 4 months ago
I cant wait to see the fallow up videos. This is interesting.
kiefferadam 4 months ago
That was really well explained when you talked about how to conceive the existence of the 2nd dimension.
AngryGerman57 4 months ago
Couldn’t it be possible that a 2 dimensional being could have a different way of sensing their 2 dimensional world. Perhaps they could “feel” objects that exist in their 2 dimensional world within a certain range instead of “seeing” them as lines and dots.
primpal08 4 months ago
Would a 4th dimensional being think that 3rd dimensional creatures cannot exist or would this be a different case?
frageee 4 months ago
@frageee I am not to sure this is true because time is wrapped up within the first three expended dimensions. However hypothetically some being that exists solely in the 4th dimension perhaps would views us as Rob so eloquently described as "undulating snakes" , 3 dimensional constructs flowing thru the currents of time moving from one 5th dimensional point to another. Note: We are by GR technically 4th dimensional beings already : )
Nerfherder3 4 months ago
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frageee 4 months ago
So, when you talk about the 4th dimension do you mean the 5th dimension since 4th is not spacial?
frageee 4 months ago
@frageee From what I understand, we're talking about the 4th space-like dimension - and you might be referring to when people describe time as being like a fourth dimension. I suspect the two are actually different ideas discussed by different people.
Locustfiretree 4 months ago
Yea, imagining and understanding are extremely different, I can imagine a hypercube but I don't understand it one bit even with the models.
And the credits song was done by talking dog studios?
Azartusfar 4 months ago
@Azartusfar Yes, you could say that since I'm the owner of Talking Dog Studios. The credits song is taken from the instrumental track for my song "Everything Fits Together". watch?v=6nAS2trDuck
10thdim 4 months ago
Ah cool, and it's up for purchase I see.
Azartusfar 4 months ago
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!
TheRodriguezo 4 months ago
Imginging the third dimension : Look around you. - This has been imaginging the third dimension by Rob Bryanton.
Speaking of which, remember when you said how would someone see in the 2nd dimension, refering to it as limited, if there were a fourth+ dimnensional being, would they not also refer to us as "How can you live like that?" in a way?
themanwiththepan 4 months ago
@themanwiththepan Absolutely! If I were seventh dimensional I would definitely think of the sixth dimension as being extremely limited. That additional degree of freedom that each spatial dimension adds is huge, wouldn't you agree? The difference between a line and a plane is very large, but the difference between a plane and a 3D space is even more of a leap, and that continues with each new "right angle" that we add.
Thanks for writing!
Rob
10thdim 4 months ago
Go look up Carl Sagans thing on this, it's great.
guaranic 4 months ago
yes. I'm so looking forward to the next 7 of these episodes.
FlyrockRecords 4 months ago
If one draws a triangle on a sphere,does the triangle become a 2D or 3D shape?
Or would you denote this as a 2.5D shape (The 'folded' dimension)?
Willwantstobeawesome 4 months ago
@Willwantstobeawesome 3 dimensional since it no longer has only length and width, you added depth by drawing in on the sphere.
Jcd1994 4 months ago
its sad that ijustine, rwj and other retards get millions of subscribers and this has 20k. and we wonder why are school systems around the world awful.
0baalberith0 4 months ago
Excuse me Rob Bryanton,
I've been noticing all the neat visuals that you have in your videos and couldn't help but wonder:
Who does the art and animation for this?
accordingleaf 4 months ago
Woot, can't wait for the rest. Won't imagining the Third dimension be a little bit redundant though?
JarethGT 4 months ago
Still don't understand flatlanders? Play Super Paper Mario!
1supacress 4 months ago
would things existing solely in the 2:nd (and 1:st dimension) be "invisible" to us? Since they have no way to "relate" to the 3:rd dimension (if they did they would'nt be 2:nd dimensional objects right?)....
pkingo1 4 months ago
@pkingo1 Depends on your vantage point.
nino210 4 months ago
A great video, I'm looking forward to the next ones as well. Thanks for the effort"
Frace91 4 months ago
I'm really excited for the rest of the videos, should be awesome to hear in depth about each deminsional level
Lightstar805 4 months ago
@Lightstar805 Me too :D
MrXenitha 4 months ago
It's not difficult to imagine a place with no depth... it's called Hollywood
Gravija1980 4 months ago 40
Hello,
Isn't that video of a rotating tesseract just the three dimensional shadow of a four dimensional cube?
TwoOldOaks 4 months ago
@TwoOldOaks Actually, it's a 2D projection, since the video screen has no depth. But yes, a tesseract is a four dimensional cube, and the rotations we see it going through would not happen in the same way if the shape we were looking at was three rather than four dimensional.
Thanks for writing!
Rob
10thdim 4 months ago 3
@10thdim does the tesseract move in all directions? i see it only folding inside out in the right direction.... wouldent all faces move inside-out together?
cheeseit126 4 months ago
I'm on a BOAT
raidera3 4 months ago 9
Sweet
Kirbynessness 4 months ago
first
english2me 4 months ago