Can hunting endangered animals save the species?

[TheJonmcgill]

I'm a lifelong TX resident, educated in ranch mgmt, very familiar w/ this subject...check out oryx hunts on Dallas/Austin/Houston/San Antonio (and basically every other city in TX)Craigslists. As the clip said, last year these hunts cost $4-$5K per animal, now are $500-$1000 and getting cheaper every week! RANCHERS ARE LIQUIDATING THEIR HERDS!!... As they must, If herds can't be selectively culled these animals will overpopulate and starve but only after causing massive damage to the ranch!!!

[NobleJamsRock]

Hundreds of these animals have been VERY recently taken at a steeply discounted rate. I have personal access to these animals on a huge game ranch in South Texas and I tell you that these animals thrive under the millions of dollars of private money put into quality fencing, food and grasslands. These animals would have continued to provide genetic diversity to populations around the world. The outcome of these regulations will be massive animal loss in a very short period of time. BACKFIRE!!

[Mauivavi]

yeah waiting in a bush to kill a animal 150feets away, I am great in life,looool..

[Mauivavi]

hunting for fun or show off, is weakminded and for losers in life..

[tubulardud]

You've won both removing the species from the endangered species list in Africa, and you've eliminated the need for hunters to travel to Africa and hunt down a decreasing population of animals. Can't we all just get along?

[tubulardud]

freaking conservationists, man. They say they want to save the species. So why don't you actually try? If you want them to thrive in their native land, allow hunters to hunt them here where their numbers are historic, let them continue to grow, then reinstate them in their native lands until their populations grow and become self-sustaining. Then, you won't have to worry about their numbers dwindling in the U.S. (which, by the way, is the opposite of the truth) and you've won 2 battles. cont...

[jaejunkiex]

Trophy hunting is wrong, in my opinion to begin with. And hunting an endangered species is even MORE wrong, in my opinion. How are you saving such a rare and beautiful animal by letting someone come in and shoot it for game? Oh yeah, because you're an ignorant, greedy bastard. You're not saving animals. You're saving yourself another payment on your mortgage.

[magicblanket]

@jaejunkiex You're ignorant and obviously have no feelings for endangered animals.

You would rather let a bumbling government bureaucracy that wouldn't even be able to keep these animals fed "care" for them then let a model which has RAISED THEIR NUMBERS from by operating on sound utilitarian principles from continuing to save these wonderful animals.

Why do you hate animals so much? Learn to listen to those who don't have voices before you toss them into extinction you destructive asshole

[GladiatorGT]

Why not just take a photograph of the animal? You still have to find it, still have to get close enough, still have to wait until the animal stops moving and hold the camera steady to get close up head shot. Why the need to end a life for pleasure?

[magicblanket]

@GladiatorGT Because people won't pay as much to do that. And then these animals would go extinct.

Your misdirected feelings will annihilate a species. you're going to kill with your kindness

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[decoycarver17]

We should start a petition to get this ruling over turned like the Hippies did with the wolves.

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[decoycarver17]

Thanks lady for wiping out a endangered species. Now Texas ranchers have no incentive to breed these animals to ship back to Africa. Do you think some local native is going to care whether or not it is endangered? No. Its all food to them.

[dankwaves]

Ok so she is going to control the poachers in Africa right? Up until there all gone right?

[jondunlap84]

The same principle goes for these game ranches. Why would you want to kill off your main source of income. It would be like all cattle rancher sending all their livestock to the slaughterhouse at the same time. The judge that agreed with the activist is a little bit retarded and narrow-minded.

[jondunlap84]

Hunting wildlife is one of the greatest source of conservations that there is. Most hunters don't kill to eradicate a species but rather as a means of stabilizing the population. Take South Dakota for example, it is illegal for a hunter to shoot a female pheasant although you can take up to 3 males each day. The reason being that males don't lay eggs and the are over a million birds shot each year. If we were decimating the species we would see a decrease not a steady number shot each year.

[kmelfina]

Well... I bet history would be all distorted by animal activists like this:

Now: "Stop hunting these animals! Set 'em free since it's inhumane!"

Year later: "The only reason animals were extinct because of irresponsible hunting ranches!"

[Paxdaxable]

Stupid cunt activist

[hot6l]

Unfortunately, this model may be less successful when applied to animals such as the dromedary jumping-slug.

[AllPraiseMinistries]

These same people will take trips to Africa and watch a lion kill a gazelle...but if a man shoots one, we're barbaric. God made man the TOP of the food chain. These activists think lions have the right to kill animals for food, but we don't have the right to kill them for our enjoyment. Since when do people get to override the plans of God? Seriously, people!

[AllPraiseMinistries]

God put animals on Earth for men to RULE over not DROOL over. We can do whatever we want w/ animals in order to benefit man. While I'm sure cruelty to animals isn't God's preference, hunting a few of them to help increase their population isn't a sin. People who push their views onto others need to back off the God-created order of the universe and let nature handle nature. BTW, Humans are a part of nature too.

[uphamtimothy]

Addax are not coming out of this location in Texas, to be reintroduced back into the wild. Instead, they are coming out of the Hanover Zoo and Saint Louis Zoo. Not only this location, provided blackbuck for wildlife reintroduction, but President Lyndon Johnson's ranch in Texas bred blackbuck, which were reintroduced back into the wild. Many times breeding endangered species is done on privately-owned land.

[tbone2791]

Does this Bitch realize that the Taxes we pay to hunt these animals MAKES UP HER ENTIRE PAYCHECK!?!?!?! Frigging retards, Jeez.

[Daniel44125]

Private property rights. A wonderful thing. The best incentive for conservation is ownership. The idiot women winning her retarded crusade is arguing an emotional irrational position that will destroy the wildlife ultimately.

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

A few months of poaching surge in Sierra Leone can easily halve the number of oryx in that reserve. A year or so of civil unrest will practically ensure their doom. If there are then no more ranched oryxes in Texas to replenish their numbers, what will these animal right activists do next? I'd say their action is based more on emotion rather than logic.

[ocguy9]

Another liberal with genocide in her heart....theres blood on her hands.

[Inv4derxXx]

@Inv4derxXx sending an animal that went extinct in its natural habitat is like a prolonged death sentence, within 3-4 generations of that species we will see huge declines because of them dying off

[mkmendorin]

Those "animal rights" activists are insanely annoying. I love animals and don't support hunting , but it seems that she just fucked everything up . . . 

[uphamtimothy]

Those scimitar-horned oryxes they showed have been reintroduced back into their native Tunisia. Blackbuck have been used to restock wild herds in India, and will serve as prey for when they reintroduce cheetahs back into India. I do not know about the addaxes, if they are going to be reintroduced back into Niger. So when it comes to conservation, do not anthropomorphize it, many times what seems unlikely is actually helping the species survive.

[enjoysmuff]

To me it seems fairly obvious that these 3 species may need to have some sort of economical incentive such as hunting to ensure their survival. That kooky lady certainly wont do it. She seems like a nut job. She said she would rather lose the species than have them hunted. Hunting certainly would provide the financial resources to keep their population up.

Hunting endangered animals can save the species. It already has

[bgodwin1987]

These species are extinct in the wild or endangered in there native lands but most of them have fairly large captive populations, they wont go extinct in Texas if there is an economic incentive, very few people have the money to kill these animals, however in Africa nothing is enforced so they would be easy targets. They should be attempted to be reintroduced in there native lands but we need the texas populations for insurance.

[bgodwin1987]

I don't see a problem with rich people paying big bucks to keep these species alive. They are worth a lot and the hunting is controlled. I don't really agree with hunting endangered species but if thats the only hope for there survival then thats what has to be done. I don't agree with that women she is not realistic I rather they be bred on ranches for hunting them be sent back to Africa and be hunted uncontrollably and go extinct completely.

[HamIsDie]

Sad that one bitch with something stuck up her ass can fuck over entire species of animals.

[Pref4n]

good intentions gone bad.

[ReAnimator727]

They didn't bring thousands of animals from Africa. If you paid any attention to the video you'd have heard them explain that they started out by breeding small numbers of the animals that were surplus from circuses and zoos. Because the ranchers had large amounts of fertile land for them to graze on and were able to control predation and hunting, the populations were able to thrive. The profit motive for breeding the animals exists because they charge people to hunt them. What's not to get?

[rjr81]

10% per year looks to be comparable with predation rates in the wild. Why should being hunted by a human be worse than being hunted by a lion?

[pgroebuck]

I agree with the conservationist that supports the ranches. The animals are going to be the losers if the current system changes. It would be nice to have them in Africa too. But based on the information in the video, the animals would not be thriving in Texas and might well be extinct if it weren't for these ranches.

[AtlasShruggedify]

Fascinating! It's great that these incredible animals are in Texas in the wild. I'd bet their counterparts in the zoo are jealous that they have thousands of acres to roam and graze. Many of them will meet their ends being hunted, but in Africa, they'll often be hunted or even POACHED as well.

I'd love to have them back in their natural habitat, but this is the next best thing. I'd rather have an 'extinct' animal grazing in texas than not exist at all.

[freshprince512]

god bless texas.

[marilynpitzen]

The president of the exotic wildlife association rates a 10 The woman with animal rights a zero

Animals have rights? How about human fetuses that get aborted? I hunt deer . Have to tag them

and report after shooting one. I'm a friend of animals . Coyote population is on the increase they are predators. I will be out calling to get one.

[chunky1x]

I will hunt animal rights group if these animals go extinct.

[Resoses]

" isn't there a greater chance for survival the more of them there are"

"in their native lands"

LOOOOOLLL you mean the native lands where they almost went extinct??

Stupid bitch

[chunky1x]

I agree with this system. In my country, nearly all endangered animals have been save by commercial means(examples like crocodiles whale sharks). A real conservation starts with economic and sustainable means like hunting or tourism instead of bleeding government budget with no solution. In the past, whale sharks are slaughtered for meat and profit about $1200 but now a live one would profit $3000-7000 each a year(eco-tourism) and the villagers will kill you if you killed one.

[Resoses]

Hunting is kay by my book so long as it is distinguishable from torture. And so long as its not over done to the point that the animal population is notably reduced. I personally would never kill an animal unless there was a preetty gosh darn good reason to. And beside these things were meant to be killed by predators. At least humans know when to kill how many and how to keep them alive and care for them at the same time.

[chunky1x]

I will pay more cash hunting PETA with a paint gun.

[STSWB5SG1FAN]

I can see that both sides want to do whats right for these animals; they should try to sit down and strike a compromise. 

[STSWB5SG1FAN]

How can they be sure during these hunts that only adults are killed and not any calves or pregnant ones?

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

@STSWB5SG1FAN

I think the most obvious answer is that trophy hunters always target the biggest, most physically impressive male members of a species, and that male antelope are quite distinguishable from their female counterparts because of their distinctive physical features. Cull hunts will target animals from all age groups, but a hunter will still strive to make the kill as humanely as possible, both for ethical as well as economical reason.

[Chansulus]

crazy bitch would rather the animals no exist then them thrive and be hunted does that lady get paid to talk that bs !

[apathist04]

@IAMJESUSmovie You depress me

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

Only done with 4 minutes but am i understanding this correctly, you brought 1000's of animals from Africa to Texas so.....you can kill them there?

What the hell is the matter with you?!?!?!

[Epimpin101]

@TheIcelandicPatriot They brought a few, then the buisness model became profitable, so now there is thousands of animals that were basically extinct in there native lands. It's the same shit they are doing with crocidiles in Australia, they were going extinct until they put an economic reason for them to exist, now the numbers are coming back up.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@Epimpin101 They saved then only so they could kill them all over again. How humain of them.

[Epimpin101]

@TheIcelandicPatriot it's not about being humain it's about results. Whats next your gonna tell farmers they can't own cattle because the end result is death for the cow? You guilty white liberals (AKA pussys) seem to not understand the food chain, and how humans are on top of this food chain. You would never hear a lion say man I don't think eating gazelles is right, it's the food chain it's worked for millions of years deal with it.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@Epimpin101 I understand the food chain thank you very much. Cows, sheeps, fish then yes i do. Some Gazelle type animal that is allmost extinct? No never. Animals who are close to extinction are more valuable then you and me put together.

We men are the dominant race yes but that does not mean we have the right to do what ever the hell we want.

Lives can be rebuild, an entire race can not.

Stating that in order to save endangered lives you must kill them is ludacris.

[Epimpin101]

@TheIcelandicPatriot I thought it was made very clear that this is not wiping out an endangered species, it is drastically growing the population of this species.

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

@TheIcelandicPatriot

I don't think I'm adding anything new to the discussion, but the point is that you need an economic reason to convince people living in poverty (like in Africa) to give a jot about saving an endangered species. Even for most people from wealthy countries saving an endangered species is not high on their spending priorities, and some kind of leisure activities that entertain them like sport hunting is necessary to get them to contribute. Such is the world we live in.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@HaNsWiDjAjA If most humans only care for money then i am a shamed to call myself that.

But you can still find many ways to entertain yourself with animals without killing them and making slaves of them.

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

@TheIcelandicPatriot

Well, welcome to the real world then. Yes, human beings are concerned for their well being first and foremost, which is why most altruism-based conservation strategy ends in total failure.

Making "slaves" of them? I assume that you are a vegan (not that I have a problem with vegans) or it is starting to sound a bit hypocritical.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@HaNsWiDjAjA Not at all i like meat so long as there are millions if not billions of that type of animal. If any animal is about to go extinct then i would glady defend them to my last breath.

We have the right to kill to eat but we do not have the right to extermin animals as a species.

Then we are no better then the nazis.

[HaNsWiDjAjA]

@TheIcelandicPatriot

Well, than what's the problem? These ranchers are in essence farming these antelopes like cattle or sheep, it's because of their effort that there are so many of these antelopes currently in Texas.

You have to differentiate between uncontrolled market hunting (poaching) which tend to drive species into extinction, and controlled, quota-based sport hunting which actually provide funds to maintain wildlife habitat.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@HaNsWiDjAjA O i understand the difference but it's still not right. I can name 20 ways we can provide funds for them that does not involve killing them.

[Killerdude240]

@TheIcelandicPatriot Now I know this does not sound right, but if we didn't kill these animals they would become overpopulated, and that right there would be a bad thing. It's the way nature works. Animals have to be killed for the species to thrive.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@Killerdude240 I wonder whats the most land populated animal? What animal takes most and eat's the most?

We are around 7 billion, thats 4 billion too much.

[magicblanket]

@TheIcelandicPatriot 20 ways you can provide funds, but all of them put together will not provide more than offering hunters the chance to shoot a rare animal. This business model works better than any charity or government program ever could

in essence, your ideas are morally wrong, as they would cause extinction for these animals

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@magicblanket First i would like to say that killing rare animals is nothing less then barbarity and to anyone who does it i would gladly kill for free.

But there is one way that is better then all others. Taxes. We pay taxes for all sorts of nonesence.

We can pay taxes to safe animals. Now that i would gladly pay for.

[magicblanket]

@TheIcelandicPatriot So it's barbarity that these ranchers virtually saved these animal from extinction. Interesting.

Taxes will not do a better job. If they did, the government reserves in Africa would have done a better job then the ranches. They did not.

And who's going to do a better job? A government agency that will not be scrapped no matter how badly it does its job, or a rancher who will live in poverty if those animals die out? Government has no incentive, private business does

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@magicblanket Same could be said about slavery. Why should i not keep many slaves if i feed them, put cloths on there backs, and don't kill them? Why not? Because it's immoral for oss as human beings to do so.

They ain't saving these animals, they want money and will do anything to get it.

Taxes will do a better job because if you don't pay taxes you will be finned or put in prison.

We pay taxes for alot of things that do pay out. Saving animals in the same way is no different.

[magicblanket]

@TheIcelandicPatriot

IcelandicPatriot....if government run reserves are so great, how come there aren't any that can claim this ranch's success rate? A government agency gets tax money regardless of how well its doing its job. If antelope numbers dropped, they'd probably get MORE money in fact to try to imrpove the situation. The moment the antelopes decrease here, there are less to hunt and the ranch loses money. When people's asses are on the line, you get better quality work

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@magicblanket Im not saying this does not work no. Im saying how can you as a human being be so cruel. So far as i know the U.S goverment is doing very little for these animals but just like how we build roads we can safe these animals without a single death.

If we save them like this we safe maybe few 100's but if we use taxes all the once great heards of Africa might be restored to it's former glory.

[magicblanket]

@TheIcelandicPatriot Again, you're implying that an agency with guaranteed tax appropriations is just as efficient as an earnings dependent business. It's not. And while there's a limit to how much money a gov. is willing to spend on conservation, there's nothing to keep this ranch from expanding its herd endlessly as long as its raking in business. It may even sell a few mating couples off to newer ranches and the cycle beings again in even more locations.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@magicblanket So long as you kill these animals your number won't grow much, maybe 0.1% every ten years. As for goverment money, you get a president that is pro equality, pro life, pro liberty then all is possible.......so long as you reduce your warfare just a little.

[fordoz1999]

"First i would like to say that killing rare animals is nothing less then barbarity and to anyone who does it i would gladly kill for free."

Is this meant to be ironic, or is it just moronic?

I'm not following the logic of some of these posts... The animals are being saved! Just to let you know they will be hunted in Africa too. If not by hunters then by their natural predators. Are you going to tell me it's better to be mauled by a lion then shot by a hunter?

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@fordoz1999 Saving a rare animal is a noble thing but to save them just so you can kill them later is moronic.

Call be a fool if you like but an allmost extinct animal to me is worth far more then countless human lives and why? Because we are more in numbers and we take more then we need.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

@Epimpin101 P.S Im not liberal. 

[thundercats1010]

8:00. lol. i like how he thought 'hunt' was a more suitable word than 'sport'.