Budden is so much better than Meth....You guys holding on to the past and shit...plus meth wasnt even a top 3 nikka in the Wu Tang group....Gza Raekwon and Ghost are the best from the WU....you gotta to be kidding me...Budden is more versital....He's more lyrical...he has more range in his music, touching on diffrent topics/subject matter ...he raps with more passion/emotion yo you get everything with budden. method man he's ok but in 2012 he's not fucking with Joe. Lifelong we fans cant admit
@Soo35cool You chat shit Meth is a Hip Hop legend something Joe Budden will never be, Tical is one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all time JB is a nobody compared to Meth. Why would he even start beef... because he knows he will make lots of money. Also it's not about which Wu member is the best the group was formed because they compliment each other every member came hard with 100%. Enter the 36 Chambers imo IS THE greatest Hip Hop album of all time! JB = Rap n Bullshit!
All this happen over a simple ass list that was probably made by some false hip hop uneducated newbee/banwaggon jumper who probably listen to pop/rock and all that crap and only listen 2 rap(hip hop) because a certain artist brought them to the gates of this beast we call rap.Thats the type of crowd we're dealing with today! So fake!
Buddens is the one coming off as a bitch in this crying over a damn list and picking a beef with the most laid back MC legend who never beefs with anyone and does his own thing.
And for those who think Meth ain't got, it all I have to say is go look up Wu Tang's freestyle on Tim Westwood's show. Meth's still got the tighest flow of any rapper and his lyrics are as sick as ever. Just because the labels don't want to support their real MCs anymore doesn't mean they lost their talent.
all these pill-poppin, over-emotional, altoid taking white nerdy keyboard youtube ass warriors represent Joe's fan base, they listen to all his mood muziks and think he's live because he shouts and has good production behind him. The hood represents Meth's fan base, the real hip hop heads represent Meth's fan base, the fans that remember 36 Chambers and Tical. All you faggot ass Joe fans need to lay off the crackpipe and get back to reality.
Get em Meth!! And for tha record, if anyboby got something to say bout Ol' Dirty Bastard... I'll respond (due to the fact he's no longer with us)!! Yall rappers need to get yall bars up, and keep em up, instead of takin shots during halftime!!
even if a rapper does truly feel he's better than another doesnt mean he shud make his opinion go public. Joe had no right to come out his face abt meth.he was feelin himself And thats what got buddens punched in his head.
@BlackMagic25 exactly. Everyone has their own opinion, why does Budden have to run his mouth in public about it? To get attention obviously. He picked a dozen beefs before Meth. Sick of these MCs like 50 Cent and Joe Budden starting beefs to boost their profile. Let your music speak for itself idiots.
@snapman801 yeah stop on joe budden, hes 100 times the better lyricist then method man and a better song writer....method man was never that lyrical, he just had a sick flow
Yo forreal dawg im getting really fucking tired of seeing eminem and lil waynes names on these boards man, eminem had nothing to do with this shit and he's fucking trash now anyway forreal, eminems music is for 14 year old suburban white kids damn
reading these comments is entertaining. aint hard to tell so many young cats that have ZERO knowledge of the history of hip-hop acting like they're hip hop scholars. shit is mad funny. just cuz u stand up in the middle of a room a scream the loudest doesnt make u worth listening to, just means ur starving for attention. Buddens is yet another chapter of the cornball chronicles. he gives a voice to more wanna-be livewires.
these people calling Budden is a girl are the biggest bitches out of anyone. Taking sides and judging talent based one one thing. 2Pac and Biggie had beef, doesn't mean either one of them was bad, they just had beef. Just cuz you like Method Man shouldn't make one pass judgement on a great lyricist. Straight up, you territorial bitches with your favorite rappers dicks in your mouth, it's about the MUSIC, listen to the MUSIC in it's entirety. LISTEN to escape route, mood muzik 3 and 4. Then talk
@KatotownUSA ayo my man i see y u think buddens is so hot cuz u obviously didnt do too well in reading comprehension class. bcuz if u did u would have a better understanding of what i said about him. i didnt call him a girl, i sd his way of getting attention is similar to a chick who thinks she's hot. i sd his rhymes r like a super ugly chick..not worth my time. dont get it so twisted man, i'm not on ANYBODY'S side. i've NEVER bought a Meth solo album in my life. but he's better than than dude.
@bornzo99 I love when people try to insult intelligence over the internet. You're talking about "getting attention" for fuck sake it's about the lyrics. I've got everything Budden AND Method Man has ever done, Budden wins hands down lyrically. But Meth's a legend, no denying that. Furthermore, my comment wasn't directed at you, that's why I didn't reply to you on my opinion I posted my second comment. + NO ONE sends a bar Eminem's way. Even the stupidest rappers aren't stupid enough to do that
Joe Budden is straight garbage. He shouldn't even be allowed to say anything that begins w/the letter M. He's like a little girl that thinks she's hot & always running her mouth hoping somebody pays her some attention. If his rhymes were a female, they'd be Whoopi Goldberg.
@bornzo99 Really? You ever listened to dumb out, inseperable, pain in his life, 1000 faces, intro (escape route), state of you, pray for me? You ever listened to the Mood Muzik 3 or 4? Cuz I used to be close minded and just take sides but then I open mindedly listened to his music and he's a lyrical beast. (Eminem recognizes this, but I guess you can't...maybe you haven't taken the time, I don't know)
@KatotownUSA all garbage to me. i dont have some great love for Meth. Buddens a cornball & his lyrics r ok at best. he's never said anything so slick that i had to hear it again. at least Meth has over the length of his career. & bcuz Eminem says it, that makes it so? Nah homey i dont get down like that. besides Eminem is the most overrated mc of all time. if dude was black or hispanic he'd b just another mc. i can't relate to Buddens cornball lyrics or Em's white kid rage. go that way w/that BS
redman is from the same city thats why he probably said he doesn't know. I doubt there was real meaning behind him saying he's better than you. who knows. but he is tho
Out of all the rappers Vibe listed in their brackets why did Budden single out Method Man? Moreover, why did Budden call into a radio show and repeatedly disrespect Meth? I mean, Budden is nice & he's known for hitting rappers 200+ bars, he should have grabbed his pen and went at all of the Emcees he thought he was better than.
Anybody that thinks Method Man is a better lyricist than Joe is an idiot. They don't even compare lyrically. If Meth is so nice, why can't anybody remember his music or his lines? Meth is a legend but he can not stand up line for line with Joey. If they battled Meth would lose. Point blank period.
@OlDirtyKillaBee i heard the album a WHILE AGO when it came out. It was GARBAGE then and it's GARBAGE now. Meth himself even admitted that he needed to step his shit up on his solo albums. Maybe you should listen to the Tical album, then listen to any Mood Musik mixtape. When you do it, take your time and listen to the bars. THERE IS NO COMPARISON. Yes, Meth is nice and he is a legend but just because he's older doesn't mean he's better. Real talk.
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I fuck wid Meth and Joey, joe was kinda out of line in the way he said shit but real talk, he would kill a lot of the guys on that list lyrically, including meth.
@DeezyEntertainment Listen to Meths recent shit, from the least 6 years, and listen to joey. Joey will kill him lyrical thats why Meth didnt never responded lyrically. Joey's to versatile. From the time period meth was relevant he was dope, but when you sit back and smoke blunts all day and let time past it's hard to keep it up.
@MurderMouthElite your a dumbass you must have not been around for the Wu Tang ere and obviously you don't listen to to him much you would know its BUDDEN no S fuck out of here
"they say that he a has been irrelevant, but every word i say niggas get hella bent, tell you why im off of the charts so on the bottom of your bracket, i rap to the heart and some niggas lack it"
@fadez827 hallooo r u crazy ? what a fuck u talk about ? meth have better lyrics u asshole fuck u meth is better in any segment of rap ! the end pussy
@zarcokhancok man method nice n a legend but seriously joe better as a lyricist. any hiphop head a tell u dat. no dis 2 meth he nice but i jus think budden is better. my opinion my dude
@fadez827 meth have better flow and delivery . Meth got flava and swag , joe dont... joe tryna have 'smart' lyrics , meth's lyrics are reprezentative ... meth is better man he is cooooolest nigga in the game
lyrically - Joe Budden has more lyrics.....Method Man sold more records of course...but ppl get "rapping" and "making music" confused...its not the same.... its alotta "rappers" out there that dont get respect bc they arent mainstream...or do music for the radio...
so if it was a rap battle..i wud have to go w/ Joe...
if it was a vote to see who makes better music for the ppl...it wud be Meth..
bring it to tha booth..bring back the old skool battle rap face to face..no internet beefin..cause its like u behind a door saying shit..METH WULD BODY JOE..why..more experience..more flavor..like giving a whale a tic tac..not gunna werk sun
if he mad then out rap the nigga...why niggas wanna fight cuz someone diss they lyrical style...spit some hot shit and shutm up...wtf...insecurities gots ta go...The harder mos these niggas actin, the softer they true interior is. he aint attack nobodys manhood or nuttin....shut this dumb ass shit up....this hip hop nigga. If you dope then fuckin spit it.
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT HIT AND RECORD SAYS YALL DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIP HOP, GO LISTEN TO JOE LYRICS THERE IS NO WAY METH CAN BEAT JOE. I LOVE MET THE WHOLE WU, METH IS VERBAL STRONG BUT YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK HE IS ON JOE LEVEL JUST BE REAL IF YOU LOVE HIP HOP
I like pump it up by joe buddens, but let's be real, Meth would destroy this boy! Joe is thinking with his big toe cause something wrong here! Not very good at problem solving are you Joe?
I'm not into the "whos better than who" bs but what I wil say Joe budden is got nothing on Method man are you ppl out of ur fucking mind...i see some dumb mother fucker comparing WU top ten songs with joe budden top ten songs...Joe budden is a good rapper , WU is legendary. Im so tired of u fucking pussies comparing today rappers like joe budden with real raw rap legends like WU. I hate the way joe budden puts him self like he is all that ..face it dick suckers his music is boring
mef and deck were both right joe had every right to say how he felt but he attacked mef specificly. He did it 4 attention its not that hard to tell. come on now
if you scared to battle stop rapping........everybody claiming to be the nicest but no one wants to put it to the test.....Battle it out nigga......... im not saying shoot it out and start a whole new biggie and pac controversy but shit head to head say ur peice and shut the fuck up let the crowds response answer the burning question of who's the nicest
@MrNegroPlease666 o_O... ur words are those of a truly blind fanboy... u obviously aint heard the kind of lyrics budden spits or otherwise ur just a plain dumbass fan...
@MrNegroPlease666 i totally understand, im not saying meth is garbage, hes a dope veteran mc... da rockwilder and whats happenin are two of my favourite hip hop tracks... but in all honesty, i think joe is the more lyrically skilled mc between the two of them...
@MrNegroPlease666 go type in the world keeps spinnin by joe budden ... then tell me that dude is smoking crack.. and FYI i jus named the 1st song i could think of by him i just pulle one out the hat and if you can respect the mans skill AFTER listening than you judging this the WRONG way.. Bless up... p.s i didnt even start listening to Joe Budden till all the methood man stuff popped off cuz i wanted to hear why dude was thinking he was so good HE FUCKING PROVED HIMSELF TO ME ..easy.....
buddens will never accomplish what method man has..meth just said it im not a battle rapper..buddens would eat him in lyrics..now you put those 2 at the beginning in a race meth will come out ontop 8 out of 10..u cant just have lyrics. you need it all and meth got it..fuck joe budden.as far as challenging the best..he better go holla at black thought..thought would eat him alive and any1 else in slaughterhouse
@GrillzX64 Nigga I could care less about background, all that don't matter, we talking about music, and lyrically Budden is better then Meth. Nigga background don't got nothing to do with who's a better lyricist.
@GrillzX64 Nigga if you didn't care what I thought then you wouldn't have replied in the first place. A example of why your a Gucci Mane looking Imbecile. You common ignoramus.
All Meth gotta do is let one of his Wu tang members know what Budden said n people would be wondering what ever happened to Joe Budden, matter a fact who is Joe Budden?
joe budden is another 50 cent...attention whore...Meth has one of the greatest songs in hip hop history (bring the pain)....the only song i know by joe budden is pump it up and those lyrics were poop....I can't believe ppl are actually saying joe budden would destroy meth :| y'all ought to be ashamed of yourselves! And meth didint talk about it much but ppl kept asking...and though Joe did say he was better than half the list he went specifically at Meth so get off Budden's dick!
@arknessm method man is a billion times the better rapper than joe bugggin ,method man and wu-tang are greatness meth should slap this bitch for talkin trash budden is pure wack man
@link10304 youre joking right?? budden would annihilate the whole wu like he was eating pie....listen to every single track both meth and joe have put out.... bar for bar, joe budden is high above meth, which is why meth preferred not to respond...... meth is straight up scared of joey...!
@shazam679 joe budden is s h i t! simple any wu- member would fucking destory that dude tical is bar 4 bar 100 times superior than anything joe has put out or ever will put out
@link10304 maybe, but the fact remains that meth doesnt have the feats to prove that he can outrap joey, whereas joey has proven time and time again how much of a threat he is in hip hop... check out each and every diss track hes put out...straight fire...he has annihilated each and every rapper hes had beef with...!
exactly what meth said, since def jam told him to kick rocks budden been in the underground mixtape scenes actin like he all hiphop holly n shit goin after legends like meth, red, melle mell, etc. why them? why not these wack ass pop artists like lil wayne's garbage ass? or soulja boy? cuz everyone goin after them. he goin at legends to get more of a internet fan base. loser!
da list was obviously bullshit....made by sumbody who dont kno shit about hip hop..so lets not even worry about who was on it.....my point was dat joey aint jus go at meth...he mentioned several names
I understand that, but Joe should just mind his own business. Guys like Meth and Melle Mell have done things that Joe wouldn't ever achieve in his life. He also needs to get up off the internet like some little kid and handle some real man business.
u dont need much skill to achieve things in hip hop...dats y bubblegum rappers be goin platnum lol...but dis has nuthin to do wit mindin his business..dat list was made to be controversal..hes jus speakin his opinion jus like ur speakin urs on youtube..r u mindin ur business given ur 2 cents on it? didnt think so lol
lol haha im not talking about sales potna. im talking bout hands down.... method man is one of the greatest emcees ever. im just a common man my nigga, and joey has his right for an opinion too. but what lil joey got is a voice, where millions would hear, he basically went on stage with a megaphone saying fuck method man. as a emcees i lost a lot of respect for that lil nigga. fuck budden.
and dont ever compare lil wayne or soulja boy to meth. meths that real hiphop.m-e-t-h-o-d man to sum bullshit lollipop or "she got a donk" song. meth from the 90s, from wu tang clan (1 of the best hiphop groups). i duno whatz wrong with joe buttonz, he is not soo great so he in no way has a right to say some of these artists suck not juzt meth. he talked bout other legends too. he needs to be a man and not a little bitch and go up to method man n talk his shit but he to scared like a lil girl.
an who compared lil wayne an soulja boy to meth?? lol stop makin shit up igga lol
u say joey needs to be a man an go up to meth n talk...but meth is da one bein a lil bitch he dont wanna talk...he wanna fight LMFAO wat kinda nigga wud wanna fight wen a nigga calls him out lyrically? a wack nigga dat dont got no other way of provin shit lol!...meth needs to be a man an admit hes not fukin wit joey
I guess, history was meth is up there, 10 yrs from now people will still know method man from japan to egypt to staten island, joe budden? the name won't even ring a bell to most. meths a legend n thats that.
10 years from now people will still know what real hip hop is, method man, tupac, biggie, the luniz, wu tang, too short, immortal techniqe, some of these artists dont even got record deals they underground and still will be known nation wide 10yrs from now, not joe budden. no matter how underground u are, if u good ur music will get around 97 twista adrenaline rush went gold w/out radeo, tv, or any promo. its all word of mouth. i guess buddens music juz dont get around lol
immortal techniqe is da only one u named dat dont got a deal.....an actually millions more no who joe budden is den immortal....cuz joey had atleast a lil commercial success wit pump it up...if u say the name immortal technique to the average rap fan...theyll ask u who da fuk is dat lol...but who dont kno joe budden da pump it up guy lol..an to correct u...only if ur gud an HAVE THE RIGHT PROMOTION ur music will be heard..an dats a fact...music doesnt get around by itself boy boy lol
music gets around thru word of mouth like it did before the internet boom, i didnt know technique till my cuzzin from canada came over introduced me to him, but whatever joe budden is good but he should have not went have method man thats it that was his mistake there plenty of others he cud of went after that dont fallow the traditional culture of hiphop.
goin at method man wud be exactly wat following the hip hop tradition is...cuz dats how da first battle eva in hip hop started...1 man callin out an already established man....stop bitchin bout joey goin at meth...cuz neither u or meth is gonna prove joey wrong in anway lol...in other words GET OVER IT
meth aint no battle rapper....he ill get his ass chewed...get dat shit outta here lol...plus the amounts of time he spent talkin on numerous interviews about joey..id say it added up to atleast 15 minutes of fame lol...mind u...WIT OUT RAPPIN...he dont want it an u kno it..dats y he tried to take it to da streets
joe need to step up his doses he cant fuck with meth lol what other hit record joe budden had since pump it up???? EXACTLY LMAO
geeman856 1 week ago
Budden is so much better than Meth....You guys holding on to the past and shit...plus meth wasnt even a top 3 nikka in the Wu Tang group....Gza Raekwon and Ghost are the best from the WU....you gotta to be kidding me...Budden is more versital....He's more lyrical...he has more range in his music, touching on diffrent topics/subject matter ...he raps with more passion/emotion yo you get everything with budden. method man he's ok but in 2012 he's not fucking with Joe. Lifelong we fans cant admit
Soo35cool 4 weeks ago
@Soo35cool You chat shit Meth is a Hip Hop legend something Joe Budden will never be, Tical is one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all time JB is a nobody compared to Meth. Why would he even start beef... because he knows he will make lots of money. Also it's not about which Wu member is the best the group was formed because they compliment each other every member came hard with 100%. Enter the 36 Chambers imo IS THE greatest Hip Hop album of all time! JB = Rap n Bullshit!
MastaKilla1989 3 weeks ago
2Pac respected Meth & Ol Dirty..now imagine this average joe disrespecting Meth..I mean Dummy wanna be like Meth..i be like what?
He wanna beef CD..I am like see these Nuts!
TAHOKMUSIC 4 weeks ago
who the fuck is joe budden ? lmao, wu tang all day.
SamyouALjaxon 1 month ago
yo what did joe say???
dez20zoom 1 month ago
Meth is that nigga, oh and lets say if Joes a battle rap lyricist, at the end of the day
I have a classic collection of Wu tang and Meth tracks to listen to,
how bout u budden? I mean u have songs i hear em, but "im not hearin them"
YoungKnoccOut 1 month ago
All this happen over a simple ass list that was probably made by some false hip hop uneducated newbee/banwaggon jumper who probably listen to pop/rock and all that crap and only listen 2 rap(hip hop) because a certain artist brought them to the gates of this beast we call rap.Thats the type of crowd we're dealing with today! So fake!
vvyperr7 2 months ago
Buddens is the one coming off as a bitch in this crying over a damn list and picking a beef with the most laid back MC legend who never beefs with anyone and does his own thing.
And for those who think Meth ain't got, it all I have to say is go look up Wu Tang's freestyle on Tim Westwood's show. Meth's still got the tighest flow of any rapper and his lyrics are as sick as ever. Just because the labels don't want to support their real MCs anymore doesn't mean they lost their talent.
Tigerlily21 2 months ago
all these pill-poppin, over-emotional, altoid taking white nerdy keyboard youtube ass warriors represent Joe's fan base, they listen to all his mood muziks and think he's live because he shouts and has good production behind him. The hood represents Meth's fan base, the real hip hop heads represent Meth's fan base, the fans that remember 36 Chambers and Tical. All you faggot ass Joe fans need to lay off the crackpipe and get back to reality.
BeenaBee 2 months ago
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Get em Meth!! And for tha record, if anyboby got something to say bout Ol' Dirty Bastard... I'll respond (due to the fact he's no longer with us)!! Yall rappers need to get yall bars up, and keep em up, instead of takin shots during halftime!!
phillysownmadtv 3 months ago
even if a rapper does truly feel he's better than another doesnt mean he shud make his opinion go public. Joe had no right to come out his face abt meth.he was feelin himself And thats what got buddens punched in his head.
I BET JOE WILL WATCH HIS MOUF NOW WONT HE??
BlackMagic25 3 months ago
@BlackMagic25 exactly. Everyone has their own opinion, why does Budden have to run his mouth in public about it? To get attention obviously. He picked a dozen beefs before Meth. Sick of these MCs like 50 Cent and Joe Budden starting beefs to boost their profile. Let your music speak for itself idiots.
Tigerlily21 2 months ago
@Tigerlily21 I agree 100 percent lol cuz what happens if u diss someody n he dont wanna rap? he jus wanna come see u?? lol
MORAL OF THE STORY: If ur a rapper, watch what u say cuz not everybody is a rapper (if that makes sense) lol
BlackMagic25 2 months ago
Joe Budden is the better lyricist, idc what u dick riding wu faggots say...the wu are amazing....but .joe budden will rap circles around them
SteadeeB 4 months ago
@SteadeeB hahahahahahahah....hold on......?????? hahahahahahahhaahahahhaha lay off the drugs....hahahahahahahaha...wait...wait.....joes better???? hahahahahhahaahahhahahahahaha lol lol lmao
snapman801 3 months ago
@snapman801 yeah stop on joe budden, hes 100 times the better lyricist then method man and a better song writer....method man was never that lyrical, he just had a sick flow
SteadeeB 3 months ago
@snapman801 Joe buddens is a better lyricist hands down. and i fucks with meth. but buddens a better rapper hands down.
MurderMouthElite 1 month ago
kids is soft nowadays
Noirvids1 4 months ago
Yo forreal dawg im getting really fucking tired of seeing eminem and lil waynes names on these boards man, eminem had nothing to do with this shit and he's fucking trash now anyway forreal, eminems music is for 14 year old suburban white kids damn
3FLbonez 4 months ago
@3FLbonez your an idiot
dirtMAgerTkhid 4 months ago
reading these comments is entertaining. aint hard to tell so many young cats that have ZERO knowledge of the history of hip-hop acting like they're hip hop scholars. shit is mad funny. just cuz u stand up in the middle of a room a scream the loudest doesnt make u worth listening to, just means ur starving for attention. Buddens is yet another chapter of the cornball chronicles. he gives a voice to more wanna-be livewires.
bornzo99 5 months ago
these people calling Budden is a girl are the biggest bitches out of anyone. Taking sides and judging talent based one one thing. 2Pac and Biggie had beef, doesn't mean either one of them was bad, they just had beef. Just cuz you like Method Man shouldn't make one pass judgement on a great lyricist. Straight up, you territorial bitches with your favorite rappers dicks in your mouth, it's about the MUSIC, listen to the MUSIC in it's entirety. LISTEN to escape route, mood muzik 3 and 4. Then talk
KatotownUSA 5 months ago
@KatotownUSA ayo my man i see y u think buddens is so hot cuz u obviously didnt do too well in reading comprehension class. bcuz if u did u would have a better understanding of what i said about him. i didnt call him a girl, i sd his way of getting attention is similar to a chick who thinks she's hot. i sd his rhymes r like a super ugly chick..not worth my time. dont get it so twisted man, i'm not on ANYBODY'S side. i've NEVER bought a Meth solo album in my life. but he's better than than dude.
bornzo99 5 months ago
@bornzo99 I love when people try to insult intelligence over the internet. You're talking about "getting attention" for fuck sake it's about the lyrics. I've got everything Budden AND Method Man has ever done, Budden wins hands down lyrically. But Meth's a legend, no denying that. Furthermore, my comment wasn't directed at you, that's why I didn't reply to you on my opinion I posted my second comment. + NO ONE sends a bar Eminem's way. Even the stupidest rappers aren't stupid enough to do that
KatotownUSA 5 months ago
Joe Budden is straight garbage. He shouldn't even be allowed to say anything that begins w/the letter M. He's like a little girl that thinks she's hot & always running her mouth hoping somebody pays her some attention. If his rhymes were a female, they'd be Whoopi Goldberg.
bornzo99 5 months ago
@bornzo99 Really? You ever listened to dumb out, inseperable, pain in his life, 1000 faces, intro (escape route), state of you, pray for me? You ever listened to the Mood Muzik 3 or 4? Cuz I used to be close minded and just take sides but then I open mindedly listened to his music and he's a lyrical beast. (Eminem recognizes this, but I guess you can't...maybe you haven't taken the time, I don't know)
KatotownUSA 5 months ago
@KatotownUSA all garbage to me. i dont have some great love for Meth. Buddens a cornball & his lyrics r ok at best. he's never said anything so slick that i had to hear it again. at least Meth has over the length of his career. & bcuz Eminem says it, that makes it so? Nah homey i dont get down like that. besides Eminem is the most overrated mc of all time. if dude was black or hispanic he'd b just another mc. i can't relate to Buddens cornball lyrics or Em's white kid rage. go that way w/that BS
bornzo99 5 months ago
"id rather put me before yall, i know people might call that self-centerd.. i call it being smart" - Joe Budden
explains the whole situation... why do all these og's get the conception twisted
JustBluntz 5 months ago
Method Man skills begin where Joe Budden peaks at..
ShadowXFX1 5 months ago
redman is from the same city thats why he probably said he doesn't know. I doubt there was real meaning behind him saying he's better than you. who knows. but he is tho
dski1 5 months ago
Meth got enough bread to put 100,000 on his head...but he can get it done by a little Jersey City cat for less than that if he really wanted too.
MrSlik25 6 months ago
method man is a legend
xxxmisssparklesxxx 6 months ago
Vibe magazine sucks ass and knows nothing about hip hop. I'm just throwing out there.
OlDirtyKillaBee 6 months ago
Out of all the rappers Vibe listed in their brackets why did Budden single out Method Man? Moreover, why did Budden call into a radio show and repeatedly disrespect Meth? I mean, Budden is nice & he's known for hitting rappers 200+ bars, he should have grabbed his pen and went at all of the Emcees he thought he was better than.
kileer7 6 months ago
Anybody that thinks Method Man is a better lyricist than Joe is an idiot. They don't even compare lyrically. If Meth is so nice, why can't anybody remember his music or his lines? Meth is a legend but he can not stand up line for line with Joey. If they battled Meth would lose. Point blank period.
mnygee 7 months ago
@mnygee you need to listen to some wu-tang
buggray12345 7 months ago 2
@mnygee Listen to the Tical album then say that shit...
OlDirtyKillaBee 6 months ago
@OlDirtyKillaBee i heard the album a WHILE AGO when it came out. It was GARBAGE then and it's GARBAGE now. Meth himself even admitted that he needed to step his shit up on his solo albums. Maybe you should listen to the Tical album, then listen to any Mood Musik mixtape. When you do it, take your time and listen to the bars. THERE IS NO COMPARISON. Yes, Meth is nice and he is a legend but just because he's older doesn't mean he's better. Real talk.
mnygee 6 months ago
DON,T FUCK WID METHOD MAN - IF YOUR NEW TO HIPHOP AND ONLY NO METHOD MAN FROM HOW HIGH - SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO YOUR RESEARCH BITCH. WU TANG FOREVER.
HenneyGYG1900 7 months ago 12
@HenneyGYG1900 yes sir big up!
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jaegunzisback 7 months ago
I fuck wid Meth and Joey, joe was kinda out of line in the way he said shit but real talk, he would kill a lot of the guys on that list lyrically, including meth.
jazzoj5 8 months ago
this is such an awesome monologue lol.
yippeekayay1 8 months ago
next theyl be saying lil waynes a better rapper then eminem lol
TheSaifyboy 8 months ago
SON NEEDS 2 UP HIS DOSAGE.
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MEGA RUCKUS
TheMegaruckus 8 months ago
how can people think joe is better than meth, thats some straight bullshit. Method Man is beter in every aspect of MC'ing
DeezyEntertainment 9 months ago 21
@DeezyEntertainment Listen to Meths recent shit, from the least 6 years, and listen to joey. Joey will kill him lyrical thats why Meth didnt never responded lyrically. Joey's to versatile. From the time period meth was relevant he was dope, but when you sit back and smoke blunts all day and let time past it's hard to keep it up.
Bossblack13 7 months ago
@DeezyEntertainment thats completely bullshit.....joe budden is 15 times the better lyricist....
SteadeeB 4 months ago
@DeezyEntertainment how is method man better than joe buddens? do you even listen to joe buddens?
MurderMouthElite 1 month ago
@MurderMouthElite your a dumbass you must have not been around for the Wu Tang ere and obviously you don't listen to to him much you would know its BUDDEN no S fuck out of here
smacccityent 1 month ago
@smacccityent era
smacccityent 1 month ago
"they say that he a has been irrelevant, but every word i say niggas get hella bent, tell you why im off of the charts so on the bottom of your bracket, i rap to the heart and some niggas lack it"
johnnnyoh 6 days ago
joe budden better den method lyrically...but method a legend in da game
fadez827 9 months ago
@fadez827 Son you buggin
DonCarlito2007 9 months ago
@DonCarlito2007 lol u think meth better den joe lyrically ?
fadez827 9 months ago
@fadez827 hallooo r u crazy ? what a fuck u talk about ? meth have better lyrics u asshole fuck u meth is better in any segment of rap ! the end pussy
zarcokhancok 7 months ago
@zarcokhancok nigga u stupid as shit. joe a Eat meth. compare they songs lyrically my nigga.
fadez827 7 months ago
@fadez827 whats meaning good lyrics for you ???
zarcokhancok 7 months ago
@zarcokhancok man method nice n a legend but seriously joe better as a lyricist. any hiphop head a tell u dat. no dis 2 meth he nice but i jus think budden is better. my opinion my dude
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zarcokhancok 7 months ago
@fadez827 meth have better flow and delivery . Meth got flava and swag , joe dont... joe tryna have 'smart' lyrics , meth's lyrics are reprezentative ... meth is better man he is cooooolest nigga in the game
zarcokhancok 7 months ago
hahaha
j5o14jq222 10 months ago
hmm
j5o14jq222 10 months ago
lyrically - Joe Budden has more lyrics.....Method Man sold more records of course...but ppl get "rapping" and "making music" confused...its not the same.... its alotta "rappers" out there that dont get respect bc they arent mainstream...or do music for the radio...
so if it was a rap battle..i wud have to go w/ Joe...
if it was a vote to see who makes better music for the ppl...it wud be Meth..
JSLH252 10 months ago 2
Method Man would chop joe buddens head off!
Fuck that' Meth FTW!
Nirvanabro95 10 months ago
Not me!
dtek0z 11 months ago
Yo who can name 3 joe budden songs?
SilversurfingNamor 11 months ago
@SilversurfingNamor pump it up,,,,,,,,, pump it up edited version, ,,,,,,, and pump it up accapella
lo247365 11 months ago
@lo247365 LOOOOOL
TheFinalPage 10 months ago
@SilversurfingNamor short summer....check me out....ordinary love shit pt.1&2...classic material son
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DigemInternational 1 year ago
I grew up on Meth like 95 Joe is my dude from the 02 but I dont want to pick sides
RichyJA 1 year ago
Doubt he meant crystal meth lol
ElHanko 1 year ago
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DigemInternational 1 year ago
method and redman got tv money sitcom
falodun 1 year ago
used to like snoop not wu but inspektah deck and meth
falodun 1 year ago
meth and red man is a untouchable dream team! no one can fuck the two best of green rap!
costando 1 year ago
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DigemInternational 1 year ago
METH N WUTANG WE GOT U !!! UNDALRDS N WU 4 LIFE! JOE STAY AWAY FROM STEEL CITY!!
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DigemInternational 1 year ago
@steelerd247 Wu 4 life fam .....Easy!
DigemInternational 1 year ago
heh, don't forget 'house nigga'...
keziah1399 1 year ago
bring it to tha booth..bring back the old skool battle rap face to face..no internet beefin..cause its like u behind a door saying shit..METH WULD BODY JOE..why..more experience..more flavor..like giving a whale a tic tac..not gunna werk sun
cortec3000 1 year ago
face it , joe raps better meth hands DOWN
kevoEnT 1 year ago
@kevoEnT come on man fuck off with that. r u for real?
TheFinalPage 10 months ago
if he mad then out rap the nigga...why niggas wanna fight cuz someone diss they lyrical style...spit some hot shit and shutm up...wtf...insecurities gots ta go...The harder mos these niggas actin, the softer they true interior is. he aint attack nobodys manhood or nuttin....shut this dumb ass shit up....this hip hop nigga. If you dope then fuckin spit it.
rccola8282 1 year ago
Method Man is real! This internet beefing is getting out of hand.
wwesuperstar1234 1 year ago
on sum real shit joe not seeing meth. meth has flow and delivery and lyrics ain't nad joe cant fuck wit em
moflow94 1 year ago
sorry but joe budden would handle methodman
RoB201 1 year ago
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT HIT AND RECORD SAYS YALL DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIP HOP, GO LISTEN TO JOE LYRICS THERE IS NO WAY METH CAN BEAT JOE. I LOVE MET THE WHOLE WU, METH IS VERBAL STRONG BUT YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK HE IS ON JOE LEVEL JUST BE REAL IF YOU LOVE HIP HOP
manonfire1911 1 year ago
@manonfire1911 thats what im saying .. joe budden is alot better in my opinion not sayin meth is bad but just not up to par
RoB201 1 year ago
joe bitch u have no hit records
your 15mim is up
thelastwordsaga 1 year ago
Meth has longevity, Joe has one hit!
jwh1999 1 year ago
Joe is nice but he can't touch method mam
BlAyZeChEdDa112 1 year ago
I like pump it up by joe buddens, but let's be real, Meth would destroy this boy! Joe is thinking with his big toe cause something wrong here! Not very good at problem solving are you Joe?
derricktweston 1 year ago
joe budden disliked this video
saninabi 1 year ago
@saninabi I'm not Joe Budden.
blablablablablablaHA 1 year ago
I'm not into the "whos better than who" bs but what I wil say Joe budden is got nothing on Method man are you ppl out of ur fucking mind...i see some dumb mother fucker comparing WU top ten songs with joe budden top ten songs...Joe budden is a good rapper , WU is legendary. Im so tired of u fucking pussies comparing today rappers like joe budden with real raw rap legends like WU. I hate the way joe budden puts him self like he is all that ..face it dick suckers his music is boring
Powerfulimpact100 1 year ago
JOE BUDDEN IS A BITCH LMAO FUCK EM
Peacemaker412 1 year ago
Ticalllllllllll!!!!!!!
DueceFeverENT 1 year ago 3
@MrBaphomet666 quantity doesnt equal quality... compare the wu's top 10 songs with budden's top 10 songs and youll see how much better joey is...
shazam679 1 year ago
@MrBaphomet666 based on what exactly?
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YIDOSOLDIER 1 year ago
yeahhh i sit back every day and do meth too
zr2chevypickupman 1 year ago
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@zr2chevypickupman lol he did say that
Beastly253 1 year ago
mef and deck were both right joe had every right to say how he felt but he attacked mef specificly. He did it 4 attention its not that hard to tell. come on now
MRBALLS72 1 year ago
he just sits back n does meth
chingford1 1 year ago 37
@chingford1 LOL
shady691 1 year ago
@chingford1 lol
TheRealKookie00 9 months ago
@chingford1 anyone can tell me what he was talking about Method man! not understand English!
junio5456 6 months ago
if you scared to battle stop rapping........everybody claiming to be the nicest but no one wants to put it to the test.....Battle it out nigga......... im not saying shoot it out and start a whole new biggie and pac controversy but shit head to head say ur peice and shut the fuck up let the crowds response answer the burning question of who's the nicest
belowradar1113 1 year ago
@belowradar1113 cipher!!!!bring it to the square & leave it there!!
adamramseyful 1 year ago
if you CANT respect his skill after listening* is what i meant to say
LoVeInADiUniVerSe 1 year ago
Joe Budden got Method Man Butt hurt, LOL
aleckssky 1 year ago
i agree that joe budden is an asshole but i dont think meth could keep up with joe at rapping...
joe budden is out of everyones league in the rap game...
shazam679 1 year ago
@shazam679 That must be some good ass crack you been smokin.
MrNegroPlease666 1 year ago
@MrNegroPlease666 o_O... ur words are those of a truly blind fanboy... u obviously aint heard the kind of lyrics budden spits or otherwise ur just a plain dumbass fan...
shazam679 1 year ago
@shazam679 I have listened to Budden before, and I had no idea him and Meth had beef at the time. I just simply don't like it.
MrNegroPlease666 1 year ago
@MrNegroPlease666 i totally understand, im not saying meth is garbage, hes a dope veteran mc... da rockwilder and whats happenin are two of my favourite hip hop tracks... but in all honesty, i think joe is the more lyrically skilled mc between the two of them...
shazam679 1 year ago
@shazam679 i humbly agree... Joe is Blessed with words and i just enjoy his music Way more.. his content is more reala....
LoVeInADiUniVerSe 1 year ago
@MrNegroPlease666 go type in the world keeps spinnin by joe budden ... then tell me that dude is smoking crack.. and FYI i jus named the 1st song i could think of by him i just pulle one out the hat and if you can respect the mans skill AFTER listening than you judging this the WRONG way.. Bless up... p.s i didnt even start listening to Joe Budden till all the methood man stuff popped off cuz i wanted to hear why dude was thinking he was so good HE FUCKING PROVED HIMSELF TO ME ..easy.....
LoVeInADiUniVerSe 1 year ago
were can u find the video were raekwon beats joebudden up
ohcaz262 1 year ago
Method is TOO underrated but "I just sit back and do Meth", lmfao!!
8baller93 1 year ago
Joe Budden is a bitch, he says shit about Meth and then he says he didn't diss Method Man..
Torrent32 1 year ago
meth ass be talking real he said son need to up his dosage on his meditation and he needs to come see me meth for real that all day
hotblk100 1 year ago
buddens will never accomplish what method man has..meth just said it im not a battle rapper..buddens would eat him in lyrics..now you put those 2 at the beginning in a race meth will come out ontop 8 out of 10..u cant just have lyrics. you need it all and meth got it..fuck joe budden.as far as challenging the best..he better go holla at black thought..thought would eat him alive and any1 else in slaughterhouse
thefirsthead 1 year ago
Budden would rip Meth. Get off the "Pump It Up" and look at the other tracks. Ya'll some idiots man.
truegamer4ever 1 year ago
@truegamer4ever Budden aint shit compared to Meth and I aint just talking bout music ethier..Better do some background checks playboy.
GrillzX64 1 year ago
@GrillzX64 Nigga I could care less about background, all that don't matter, we talking about music, and lyrically Budden is better then Meth. Nigga background don't got nothing to do with who's a better lyricist.
truegamer4ever 1 year ago
@truegamer4ever Im talking about music background too nigga. Budden got nothing on Method you triping.
GrillzX64 1 year ago
@GrillzX64 Nigga you can't even spell tripping and you obviously don't know what your talking about.
truegamer4ever 1 year ago
@truegamer4ever Honestly I could give a fuck what ya think...Take that however ya want to.
GrillzX64 1 year ago
@GrillzX64 Nigga if you didn't care what I thought then you wouldn't have replied in the first place. A example of why your a Gucci Mane looking Imbecile. You common ignoramus.
truegamer4ever 1 year ago
@truegamer4ever Blah blah shut the fuck up.
GrillzX64 1 year ago
@GrillzX64 Not only are you a fool, but I just showed everyone else. Stay in school lil nigga.
truegamer4ever 1 year ago
@truegamer4ever Whatever bitch.
GrillzX64 1 year ago
@truegamer4ever
Ha ha Joe Budden better than Meth? Budden sounds like a retard on records and so do you comin out with crack like that.
mykcheck1212 1 year ago
@mykcheck1212 You got your opinions, I got mines, so hop off my dick please.
truegamer4ever 1 year ago
All Meth gotta do is let one of his Wu tang members know what Budden said n people would be wondering what ever happened to Joe Budden, matter a fact who is Joe Budden?
phonsie12 1 year ago
method man is wayyyyyyyyyy better
headbuster1980 1 year ago
Who is Joe Budden?
zinzeta 1 year ago
joe budden is another 50 cent...attention whore...Meth has one of the greatest songs in hip hop history (bring the pain)....the only song i know by joe budden is pump it up and those lyrics were poop....I can't believe ppl are actually saying joe budden would destroy meth :| y'all ought to be ashamed of yourselves! And meth didint talk about it much but ppl kept asking...and though Joe did say he was better than half the list he went specifically at Meth so get off Budden's dick!
evilzlatan 1 year ago
He's right. Method is a chill guy, he's a not a DVD guy.
1. Meth will chop his head off
2. Instead of coming at Meth, who is definitely not on the same level as Meth
Budden made a bad move.
CALICOTV301 1 year ago 2
Method Man would fucking destroy joe budden lol
link10304 1 year ago 63
@link10304 you buggin!
arknessm 1 year ago
@arknessm method man is a billion times the better rapper than joe bugggin ,method man and wu-tang are greatness meth should slap this bitch for talkin trash budden is pure wack man
link10304 1 year ago
@link10304 youre joking right?? budden would annihilate the whole wu like he was eating pie....listen to every single track both meth and joe have put out.... bar for bar, joe budden is high above meth, which is why meth preferred not to respond...... meth is straight up scared of joey...!
shazam679 1 year ago
@shazam679 joe budden is s h i t! simple any wu- member would fucking destory that dude tical is bar 4 bar 100 times superior than anything joe has put out or ever will put out
link10304 1 year ago
@link10304 you obviously aint heard budden rap, otherwise you wouldnt be saying that nonsense...!
shazam679 1 year ago
@shazam679 Err.. na i have and i heard Deck destroy him
link10304 1 year ago
@link10304 yeah, meth sent a pawn since he knows he cant battle joe on his own...
shazam679 1 year ago
@shazam679 meth just couldnt be arse'd mate he has children and a sick wife and pretty sure he would end him if he did just like ghost did mase
link10304 1 year ago
@link10304 maybe, but the fact remains that meth doesnt have the feats to prove that he can outrap joey, whereas joey has proven time and time again how much of a threat he is in hip hop... check out each and every diss track hes put out...straight fire...he has annihilated each and every rapper hes had beef with...!
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arknessm 1 year ago
@link10304 meth is a real nigga trust im from right up his old way!
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DigemInternational 1 year ago
exactly what meth said, since def jam told him to kick rocks budden been in the underground mixtape scenes actin like he all hiphop holly n shit goin after legends like meth, red, melle mell, etc. why them? why not these wack ass pop artists like lil wayne's garbage ass? or soulja boy? cuz everyone goin after them. he goin at legends to get more of a internet fan base. loser!
MobHeataEnt 2 years ago
dem wack ass pop artist like lil wayne an soulja boy wasnt on da list boy boy lol
imag06 1 year ago
@imag06 yeah lil wayne was, so was plies, i just threw in soulja boy. but fuck that list, how the hell is lil wayne gonna pass pac? that aint real.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
da list was obviously bullshit....made by sumbody who dont kno shit about hip hop..so lets not even worry about who was on it.....my point was dat joey aint jus go at meth...he mentioned several names
imag06 1 year ago
I understand that, but Joe should just mind his own business. Guys like Meth and Melle Mell have done things that Joe wouldn't ever achieve in his life. He also needs to get up off the internet like some little kid and handle some real man business.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
u dont need much skill to achieve things in hip hop...dats y bubblegum rappers be goin platnum lol...but dis has nuthin to do wit mindin his business..dat list was made to be controversal..hes jus speakin his opinion jus like ur speakin urs on youtube..r u mindin ur business given ur 2 cents on it? didnt think so lol
imag06 1 year ago
lol haha im not talking about sales potna. im talking bout hands down.... method man is one of the greatest emcees ever. im just a common man my nigga, and joey has his right for an opinion too. but what lil joey got is a voice, where millions would hear, he basically went on stage with a megaphone saying fuck method man. as a emcees i lost a lot of respect for that lil nigga. fuck budden.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
and dont ever compare lil wayne or soulja boy to meth. meths that real hiphop.m-e-t-h-o-d man to sum bullshit lollipop or "she got a donk" song. meth from the 90s, from wu tang clan (1 of the best hiphop groups). i duno whatz wrong with joe buttonz, he is not soo great so he in no way has a right to say some of these artists suck not juzt meth. he talked bout other legends too. he needs to be a man and not a little bitch and go up to method man n talk his shit but he to scared like a lil girl.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
an who compared lil wayne an soulja boy to meth?? lol stop makin shit up igga lol
u say joey needs to be a man an go up to meth n talk...but meth is da one bein a lil bitch he dont wanna talk...he wanna fight LMFAO wat kinda nigga wud wanna fight wen a nigga calls him out lyrically? a wack nigga dat dont got no other way of provin shit lol!...meth needs to be a man an admit hes not fukin wit joey
imag06 1 year ago
I guess, history was meth is up there, 10 yrs from now people will still know method man from japan to egypt to staten island, joe budden? the name won't even ring a bell to most. meths a legend n thats that.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
dats cuz da way da game is....da best rappers remain unknown...while da mediocre ones get promoted an praised as if there anything betta den wack lol
imag06 1 year ago
10 years from now people will still know what real hip hop is, method man, tupac, biggie, the luniz, wu tang, too short, immortal techniqe, some of these artists dont even got record deals they underground and still will be known nation wide 10yrs from now, not joe budden. no matter how underground u are, if u good ur music will get around 97 twista adrenaline rush went gold w/out radeo, tv, or any promo. its all word of mouth. i guess buddens music juz dont get around lol
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
immortal techniqe is da only one u named dat dont got a deal.....an actually millions more no who joe budden is den immortal....cuz joey had atleast a lil commercial success wit pump it up...if u say the name immortal technique to the average rap fan...theyll ask u who da fuk is dat lol...but who dont kno joe budden da pump it up guy lol..an to correct u...only if ur gud an HAVE THE RIGHT PROMOTION ur music will be heard..an dats a fact...music doesnt get around by itself boy boy lol
imag06 1 year ago
music gets around thru word of mouth like it did before the internet boom, i didnt know technique till my cuzzin from canada came over introduced me to him, but whatever joe budden is good but he should have not went have method man thats it that was his mistake there plenty of others he cud of went after that dont fallow the traditional culture of hiphop.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
goin at method man wud be exactly wat following the hip hop tradition is...cuz dats how da first battle eva in hip hop started...1 man callin out an already established man....stop bitchin bout joey goin at meth...cuz neither u or meth is gonna prove joey wrong in anway lol...in other words GET OVER IT
imag06 1 year ago
joe budden will get dropped by method man in a battle and in a real fight. plus, meth dont wanna give that fool his combat to 15mins of fame.
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
nah now u playin yaself lol!
meth aint no battle rapper....he ill get his ass chewed...get dat shit outta here lol...plus the amounts of time he spent talkin on numerous interviews about joey..id say it added up to atleast 15 minutes of fame lol...mind u...WIT OUT RAPPIN...he dont want it an u kno it..dats y he tried to take it to da streets
imag06 1 year ago
lil joey betta watch his back, saigon finna whip that ass lol
MobHeataEnt 1 year ago
@imag06 Show me one good song from Budden and Ill give him benfit of the doubt. Just one.....Ill wait dont worry.
GrillzX64 1 year ago
THIS DUDE BEEN TRYING TO GET BACK IN THE GAME SINCE DEF JAM DID WHAT THEY DID. METH GOT A POINT. HE WENT AFTER ONE OF THE N