the flood was because almost the whole world was extremey wicked. All the world was worshiping idols and God was sorry that he created man, so he was creating a flood to destroy all the wicked but saved the righteos. The wicked are told and warned they are going to hell, so how can you call God unloving when you are the unloving one, hateing God all your life and then deciding when your burning in hell "i don't like thiis place god take me to heaven".
all i see is wow look how complex this is. Look at what my religion believes. Time had a begining but god has always been. Listen to me when i recomend a youtuber and give you something that really confused me but is possible. cdk007 white holes.
@sameritaco Have you done your reaserch for the other side yet. A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING b4 u open your moth like this. And the bottom of the ocean is warmer so that's why it freezes from the bottem down you'll find ice doesn't sink if you look it up to find the science behind it not the god thats easier to think of. And for prayer there are variables. you can think you wont have cancer and with the right immune system and the drugs you wont. These tests are innacurate and other studies proveso
If there really are any gods, then why are they so carefully hiding all the evidence? Look tat the universe around you, all that space and still no evidence of any gods.
OK another creationist who is wrong, wrong, wrong, god did not create the heavens, zeus did, now prove me wrong....and youngfred, please watch your language, zeus might hear you.
So basically your argument is that because things are awesome then god must exist? Just because an orgasm feels really awesome, doesn't mean god was jerking me off. Did you forget that every religion, besides the retarded scientologists, was created by people who thought the world was flat? Are dinosaurs really called jesus horses? I mean every modern person knows this is all fabricated nonsense from an ancient era. Thats why you take sick people to a hospital not a church. Don't be dumb.
This is the most absurd thing ever. You cannot simply observe something, ignore its scientifically-proven properties, and say that its apparent complexity is evidence of God. This type of argument is completely tautological and anecdotal; it is not PROOF or EVIDENCE at all. Furthermore, citing Bible verses and other religious text (which were written by PEOPLE and cannot be shown to be anything more) does not add credibility to the argument because it relies on antiquated speculation only!
well one thing scientists cant figure out is that since everything happens because of something else where did space and all of everything come from. Sure you can go all the way back to the when the big bang happened but why did that happen and where did whatever made the big bang come from?
All I see is lots of assumptions based on ignorance, any suggestions you can come up with will have to be answered without supernatural cause as nothing has ever been proved to be supernatural, at best "unknown".
If you claim that God did something then first prove there is a god, otherwise it's a baseless assumption, your dishonest if you claim God exists without the evidence to prove it.
@FeroGotBalls you got balls but no brains. all your assumptions is based on the same dumb shit. if you don't believe you sure act like your trying to cover up something. if i aruged with people about the fact that i thought the stay puff marshmellow man was real. I would be the bigger fool because i'm the one who knew he doesn't really exist. the fact that your aruging shows you must believe or is dumb as all shit. either way athiest look stupid. so, once again athiest have been destroyed
@FeroGotBalls suck it you queer the whole video destroyed you dom fucks. i really don't have to say shit. i see with your comment that you lack fundament grasp of basic knowlegde so you cant comprehend no sense what so ever. just lick dick and die. Your kind is obsolete
why do you folks insist on posting this horseshit when all of these 'arguments' of yours have been thoroughly refuted, even here on youtube? you really are mentally ill. i stand in awe at your determination to remain stupid.
@illbetilbake I read your comment an you say you stand in awe at your determination to remain stupid. Well God isn't an objective experience, God is a subjective experience. I stand in awe seeing your ignorance to something you have never even tried to know or understand. Just because you choose to remain ignorant doesn't make your opinion any more valid.
@questioneverything8 Well, genius, if you are talking about personal experience, how can there be talk of 'scientific evidence of god's existence' as the video is entitled? Is it subjective or is it scientific? As far as I am concerned anything that is personal and cannot be demonstrated to other people is irrelevant. Ambiguous feelings achieved in mass group gatherings can easily and more than adequately explained in scientific terms as anything but proof of god's existence.
meh, wishful thinking. the problem between science and god is that the religious would like to posture as if they have all the answers, but they have no mechanism to determine whether their claims are accurate.
religion should stick to morality and let science cover the physics.
1,000,000 years from now we'll look back on how, 50,000 years from now, we thought we knew all the answers. We'll repeat this cycle every million years.
Whichever side of the fence you sit on, keep your minds open.
What do you mean that God doesn't work? Also, it's not only Christians, many people believe in God and aren't Christians. We look to Science to prove God's existance because as Albert Einstein said:
"the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection"
It's a Transcendental and teleological philsoophical argument for God.
The fact that many people share in a delusion doesn't lend it any more credence. In fact, that the same result of "spirituality" can be achieved regardless of the religion is compelling evidence that all of them are wrong. A feeling of spirituality is probably just a human condition, and clearly has nothing to do with the myriad of gods we've created to explain it.
So everyone is wrong about God then, so tell me why you're right? So there's compelling evidene they're wrong? I'd like to see that. Spirituality is just a human condition, just like reason and logic, therefore we shouldn't trust it.
I needn't tell you why I'm right, it is you who is making an assertion that there is evidence god exists. Either put up or shut up.
If someone told you they had an invisible time machine in their basement, would you feel like you were required to come up with evidence it doesn't exist or would you ask for proof of its existence before believing it?
If you're equating spirituality with emotion (which I am) I would agree, it isn't trustworthy. Logic and reason are proven ways of finding truth.
No, I'm not making an assertion. I'm not saying I'm right, I say I believe I'm right. You're saying I'm wrong. You made the claim, therefore need to provide the burden of proof. That's how logic works, don't like it? Well to bad.
So emotion isn't trustworthy? Why not? No, truth is proven through logic and reason, truth doesn't prove logic and reason because you use logic and reason to find truth. To assume logic and reason are proven by truth is circular reasoning.
@jjkoehler only ones i see who are delusional are you cave men still talking about the world is flat until someone proves it. you dumb fucks probaly believe the sun revolves around the earth. lol the fact that all athiest say the same dumb shit leads credence that you are all conditioned to just bitch and not care about facts., any form of intelligent conversation would just show how unitelligent you are so i'll stop talking. Game over poof. You freaks are too easy to destroy.
@youngfred116 Earth revolves on axis and orbits the sun, not revolves around sun. The sun orbits the center of the galaxy and the galaxy moves through space. The Bible believes though the earth moved not and was hanging on nothing when insteads it was moving through space, how did they miss that, and centrifical force and gravity are at work, not nothing.
when you look at the moon or earth or sun or any celestial body it looks like it is hanging on nothing because you feel the affects of gravity you don't see gravity you only measure its force. So moderned man learn about the force called gravity; just like they learn about dark energy and anti matter. they have not always known about these things. garvity is an unseen force dude. So it' like the wind it's there but you'll never ever see it. so it looks as though it hangs on nothing.
hallelujah!!! for 6000 years of universe instead of 13.7 billions!! hallelujah!!! for killing all living beings on earth with giant flood!!! hallelujah!! for torturing people forever in hell!! hallelujah!! for creating "light" BEFORE creating the SUN hallelujah!! for creating plants BEFORE creating the SUN hallelujah!! for the updated bible (before it was said that the earth was flat, then it said that sun circles the sun, and so on.)
As usual, people trying to prove the existence of god end up failing big time. Why don't you prove santa instead. After all, I get christmas presents every year, therefore there must be a santa claus.
As Millions know my Brother in Christ, through the proof of Science, History & God's Prophetic Word, the calm before the storm of the Tribulation ahead, is almost over! The Truth caters to no single individual of God's Creation, but the truth in itself, yet Thanks to God's Love & Wisdom, we've been blessed with the choice to share in & value the truth or deny it until our last breathe & pay the Just Price! The events ahead will be greater than mankind has every witnessed! May God Bless You All!
@GODLOVESUSSOMUCH What just price? God supposedly created all things, that would include sin, so somehow it's our fault Huh? That does not make logical sense. God is love, he'll burn you forever but it's love, are you insane? That's not love and worse than any tyrant that ever lived. Completely illogical.
I personally look at the reasons why I'm down and what I can do to get out of the situation.. but hey, if talking to yourself and others about the voices in your heads makes you happy then go for it. Just leave me out of it.
To me, this statement of yours is just as meaningful as if I were to tell you that when the chips are down (not cards, work on your metaphors) you'll cry to Zeus for help.
The arguments set forth in this video prove that the Creator is the one set forth in the theory of pandeism; they actually disprove a theistic God, and prove one that is pandeistic!!
Or it it just that like God said: "God and sin can not occupy the same space". So maybe that explains why man is allowed to sin because as God said he left the earth and man to the vices of his own evil heart to recognize the need for man to do things God's way ...at least for a short time. And when he returns if we haven't changed our ways he'll be forced to cast those who haven't changed out of his presence. Hell
To say that "God and sin can not occupy the same space" is much like saying that atoms and electromagnetism can not occupy the same space; all things are of the Deus, and can not exist otherwise, hence the Deus sustains "sin" as much as every other bit of matter or energy in the Universe.... the Deus of pandeism then is superior to a God that is powerlessly locked out of any part of the Universe....
I agree my friend, as you said correctly, "all things are of the Deus (God), and can not exist otherwise". This is true, for God is not seperated from any part of his creation, as all creation is related to the focal point of the creator. What's left to add, is that God has created the choice for his children to be obedient or sin. We've all sinned & while God could, he has not, by choosing in his perfect will, to be just in relation to his creation, allowing us to be forgiven of our sinfulness!
There is nothing to be forgiven, for when we "sin" we simply partake in that part of "God" which is "sin".... some consider it a sin to consume alcohol, but who would be so irrational as to demand that their liver cells repent for digesting the alcohol consumed?
Well Friend, it's interesting how you've come to that conclusion, especially as you seem very sincere in your approach to seek the Truth. You've shared your personal understanding of what God could be, instead of what God actually embodies, which is in our God Given Word that has scientifically, literally & collectively been interpreted. We are not 'programmed' but given free will, so if we chose to harm our flesh, that is our fault/sin, not the fault of our 'programmed' flesh! God Bless Brother
@sweetbilly How can hell be out of his prescence if he's an omniprescent god again, the book contradicts itself as one place it says god is omniprescent and elsewhere it says man is cast out of his prescence and he is setting on a throne. They can't even get their story straight.
This video is terrible. He makes so many points and then instantly connects them to a god. What is missing in all these ideas are the actual connections between the ideas and god.
A large percentage of the points themselves are not even logical.
Preaching won't change peoples minds, only facts, and this video has provided no logical arguments.
Oh but you're quick to blast a Christian with your false claims and bogus questions. Then you're quick to destroy them with belittling words. I don't call that rejection. I say if you don't believe in it, then don't follow it. Don't work yourself over failing to disprove God
Read about "the Jews and their Lies (1543) by Martin Luther and you will learn how evil Jesus was to have inspired Luther to inspire Hitler. There may be a designer but it certainly was not the sometimes loving, sometimes vengeful god of Abraham of the Bible who so poorly designed his children that he drowned them all in frustration at his failure with the except ion only of Noahs family. Hahaha loser Christians go to hell anyway because Jesus claimed to be gods son which is blasphemy.
OH PLEASE HATER!! I run across illiterate idiots like you everyday, and none of you people ever say anything remotely accurate accurate about the bible or Jesus or history. So we'll see about your little hater theory in a couple of years won't we?? No doubt you'll worship Satan and will wind up being one of those people getting dry humped by demons in hell until you're chafed raw.
LoL Talk about contradicting yourself, first you cite the Jews as being the dirty evil liars they are, then you say the Christians inspired Hitler to murder them after embracing them. hahahhahaha You can't have it both ways idiot!
You're words and hate give you away antisemite, Hitler, hate and the worship of nothing is your God not ours!!! Blasphemy idiot can only be committed by non-believers, now "imagine there is no god" and get bitch slapped by him.
LOL you haters crack me up "the Jews inspired Hitler to genocide the Jews"!!! hahaha
You know why you idiot's can't tell history or read the bible correctly like 98% of all the other religions and people on earth, because when you do it proves you to be nothing more than Christian/Jew hating, illiterate, blaspheming, zealots, control freaks and buffoons. More or less it proves Satan exists, thus proving God exists, thus proving you wrong "EVERY TIME". It's getting old now.
Maybe Satan is the good one. If you compare the amount of people who have been slaughtered by god compared to those that Satan has killed, it is something like a million to one ratio. If the bible is the word of god as everyone says it is, then god is a maniacal, murderous, jealous, spiteful tyrant.
Maybe Satan is the good one and he is just waiting for all of you to wake up and realize you are following an immoral standard.
Oh please God doesn't kill nor is he a tyrant, jealous, maniacal etc.. he just gives man over to Satan or his own mind. He made that perfectly clear in the bible, he gives man over to the devices of his own polluted mind or to the will of Satan and the ultimate end is death. Either way he's completely out of the picture when you start blasting each other, If you would have read a bible instead of burning them you would already know that.
...Just read revelations, neither he nor any of his followers are on earth and you haters are cutting each other into fish bait.
And even if he did kill people what kind of a loving father would allow his children to do what ever came into their polluted minds when ever they wanted??? I can't think of a loving father that wouldn't discipline his children for love of his children or to protect his other children from the bad ones. So you're point is completely moot anselmo.
An all-powerful all-knowing god would know every decision everyone would make... so how can he be just if he then punishes us for those decisions? An omnipotent and omniscient god would in effect be controlling our every action. Imagine if you set up your child in so that he broke one of your rules. Would you consider it right to punish him for that?
Well it all depends, did you teach him right from wrong? If so then the child has a choice as god has given us one! Think before you speak. God made it clear to us what we are gonna do and what we are doing is wrong, yet we still do it. If you child does something you set up and yet you taught him to not do that, yes by all means grab the belt for the bible says discipline thy children and you sire must be blind?! ...o,O
God made it clear to us? You are one ignorant motherfucker. You religious fanatics can't even provide one shred of evidence for this so-called god, so how can you say he made it clear to us? Anyways, you are an evil bastard if you would punish your child for something you made him do. That's what you are saying your god does. If he doesn't do that, then he isn't omniscient and omnipotent as you claim.
Yes, He made it clear. You cannot see because you are blind by the devil. You are cursing me, and your name says everything. "Those that want to be filthy and live in darkness, let them"...so I am gonna do as the Bible commands me to do. You can decide on your own, and it is because of God you can. Think. Who made this world? How did it come to be. Did man create it? NO Did it just form from absolutly nothing? NO....YOU NEED TO STOP AND THINK. Stop letting the Devil control you!!! OPEN YOUR EYES
@CrippleSkater16 Where did God come from if nothing existed before god created it, then god didn't exist either, so how did a nothing called god creat everything? God didn't and it didn't come from nothing we just haven't figured out where it was.
The Lord of the Rings is a much better book. It doesn't contradict itself, preach murder, genocide, rape, infanticide, greed, or wrath, and it sure as hell doesn't make people kill each other over it.
Well lord of the rings doesn't exist and God does, but I'll let you find that out persoanlly.
Yeah talking about infanticide for religious beliefs you evo's/atheists/haters are superior to the Christians having only aborted 40 million babies since 1973 ...five million of which were only MURDERED since the start of the Iraq war. So you were saying....?
Don't talk about things you have no understanding of, it makes you sound like a bigoted asshole when proven wrong.
Lord of the Rings is a book, so is the bible. They both exist. They both are fiction as well. Care to provide evidence as to why you think your bible is "the word of god"?
If your god is real, by the way, they he has been responsible for hundreds of millions of abortions, far more than were done by WILLING women.
Apparently you don't understand the concept of free will and how Satan used free will to coerce man into destroying himself. Free will is love, if God forced his will upon man he could not claim to love man and Christianity would be nothing more than Islam or Atheism. God doesn't do anything, the iniquity is in YOU planted as a thought by Satan. If you want to know who your enemies and the faithful are you let them expose themselves by their actions.
Did he know man was going to fall, you bet he did. Did he know a certain few were going to be saved, you bet he did. But he gave man the choice to believe and follow or reject god out of love. Think about this God even uses Satan to allow the evil on earth to convict the good into faithfulness. It's all about love and free will. God gave us the bible and Jesus Christ so that we could see and know the difference with our own eyes. BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT FIRST.
Gods thinking is infinitely higher than yours or mine in all his ways. Yes he already knows who is lost and who will be saved when all is said and done, but then if he didn't Justice could not be done without free will and he surly couldn't claim to love anyone or be omnipotent if he forced his will on man could he? Yet he destroyed the best Satan could muster by allowing the one INNOCENT person to be crucified by hate. That's love to me. It all works to his will as long as man will submit.
Takes a VERY powerful "transparent" loving God to allow his creation to question him and attempt to prove him a liar using his own creation or to die for them personally just so he wouldn't have to push them out of his presence, unlike Islam or Judaism or Hinduism or Atheism. What that should tell you is that God is there EVERYDAY if you will only admit you don't know everything and come to him contrite humble heart. AS EVERY SAVED CHRISTIAN MUST DO IN ORDER TO BE SAVED.
@sweetbilly That's not love, forcing people to come into existance through no fault of there own and burning them forever for being sane and not believing rediculous nonsense is not a god of love.
@sweetbilly Where's evidence Jesus was innocent he contradicted the law supposedly set up by god, so would be just as guilty as anyone else. He told them not to observe sabbath contrary to the law, and didn't want them to stone adulterress contrary to the law, etc. .So according to their law supposedly dictated by god he was guilty.
@sweetbilly Your right about one thing god doesn't do anything. As for Satan he doesn't exist except in stories and pictures. No evidence God or Satan exist. Story of Adam and Eve, they ate the fruit and they didn't surely die that day, but had sons and daughters so if it was true, Satan would have been telling the truth and not god, as what god supposedly said didn't happen.
@sweetbilly Gee where is the evidence the people responsible for the abortions were Atheists? Aren't people swore into office on a Bible where is the fairness in that? So blame Christians for the abortions and the Iraq war what does it have to do with Atheist. Most presidents of recent times were professing Christians and not Atheists so why blame Atheists for Abortions? Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama,etc. were all professing Christians not Atheists.
MY GOD! I cannot believe you said that!!! You need to GRAB THE BIBLE IMMEDIATLY!!! HOW IS IT THAT PEOPLE CAN READ A HARRY POTTER BOOK PROBABLY AS YOURSELF...AND FINISH IT WITHIN A MONTH BUT CANNOT GRAB THE BIBLE TO FIND THE TRUTH!!?? God created the devil yes, but instead of destroying him he has let him reign upon us, so that we would have to choose, EVIL? OR GOOD?...and you sir, must have chosen the devil therefore this mess = nothing to you. I am sorry you see God that way!?
also vincenz, your an idiot. the study of particals and matter IS studying nature...as without these, nature would not exist!!!! and how this couldnt possibly be worthwhile is beyond me. think about something to say before you say it. also, its impossible to recreate natural conditions of this stuff for obvious reasons. in my opinion, your also manipulating the truth to suit your biased religion outlook. we dont need to understand the bible as its irrelevant.
also your an asshole. all the people who studied nature over the millenia beleived in a creator..study the sumerians..the maya and the egyptians..now you believe that one particle you study claim evoltion..your full of shit
vincenz55 -Consensus does not turn bullshit into truth. To find truth you must start with facts. When starting with facts you are permitted to ignore superstition and false beliefs.
vincenz55 Acknowledgment of a creator does not mean there is one. Many people acknowledge voodoo. So you believe in voodoo then? You say many people acknowledge a creator. Many people acknowledge many creators . Which one is real? There should be only one creator? Which ones are real and which are imaginary?
Consensus does not turn bullshit into truth. To find truth you must start with facts. When starting with facts you are permitted to ignore superstition and false beliefs.
ever heard of impostors, frauds fakes scammers liars? the great impostor satan lucifer belzebub bahomet and his demonic horde of angels including some humans camouflage themselves as gods BUT they are no match for The Almighty who will annihlate them once and for all at armagheddon
vincenz55 FSM is Lord, Jesus is a blasphemer and the true antichrist. Jesus is one of the most successful frauds and imposters, but he was caught and he was executed for impersonating the son of god.
Pity the fools falling for the false teachings of Jesus, falsely known as Christ but truly is the antichrist, executed for blasphemy among his crimes, letting people think he was the son of god.
Admit the bible is false, it has some good teachings but it is also full of crap and lies.
The fundemental problem is that you ignorant evolutionists and atheists have never studied the bible and its true meaning, never studied nature, never studied anything worthwhile just some stupid molecule under a stupid microscope under manmade conditions not as it appears in nature therfore you people are forgers and tampering and manipulating the truth to suit your own adgendas and preconcieved ideas..your just a bunch of lying cheating deceiving morons
your the moron. without us "ignorant evolutionists and atheists" who dont or didnt believe god exists/existed, there wouldnt have been anyone to prove that particals and matter are based on intelligent design and creation. therefore, if this wasnt proven, it wouldnt have been proven that there was in fact an intelligent designer to have created it, making it easier to believe that everything just "existed." without us, it would just be even easier to believe god didnt/doesnt exist.
more imecillic comments from someone whos got cottage cheese for brains in between his ears..your comments are so full of philosophy and lack of substance its laughable.
youre seriously fucking retarded. i never once said i didnt believe in a creator. i said without us skeptics there wouldnt be people to dive into this kind of study, and prove that everything has an intelligent design, thus PROVING the existence of a god. i said without these people, it would be easier to believe god didnt exist. and i HAVE studied mayans, ancient egypt, sumerians, catholics, buddhist, hindus, etc.cottage cheese for brains...fuck you.still a lot more than anything you got fagot.
leave me alone go fuck yourself instead you useless piece of australopithecus primate shit. if you knew about religion you wouldnt be talking useless crap
more imecillic comments from someone whos got cottage cheese for brains in between his ears..your comments are so full of philosophy and lack of substance its laughable.
Tell me this; if God can be ascribed the ad hoc hypothesis of "necessity", then why not the universe? There can be no reasonable denial of the universe's existence, so we have more reason to suppose its necessity than that of a God. And don't give me the bullshit explanation that the universe must be contingent because it had a beginning, because the big bang THEORY (and that's what it is) doesn't say anything about the universe being created from nothing.
You have already set the boundries of your own argument and the reasoning that can be used, so in effect, you have answered your own question. From nothing, nothing comes. Something cannot create itself. So, if nothing existed from the beginning then nothing exists now and if something exists now, then something would necessarily need to have existed before and that something would either had to have been eternal or there would need to be a string of somethings stretching into infinity.
I'm not entirely sure what your getting at here, apart from restating the original issue. I would issue a word of warning about this quasi-rational talk about what existed "before" the universe, or what the universe was created "from". We have no reason to believe that our form of rationality and temporality has any grasp beyond the limits of our own universe, if indeed our universe has limits.
That is a standard philosophic outlook about origins. It is probably as valid as any. And I would agree with you. There is much we simply do not know and may not comprehend. One thing I am certain of: that a religious argument cannot be won using science or empirical thought.
It is impossible for science to prove or to disprove the existence of God. The reason is that the Scientific Method recognizes ONLY empirical data- no more than the senses suggest. Therefore any perceived "evidence" pro or con is completely subjective. It is what it is and open to interpretation. However, other epistemologies combined with science can strongly suggest diety - but alone science is silent on the matter.
LOGIC: It's hard to prove that leprachauns don't exist. It's hard to prove there's no god. But it's easy to prove the Christian God doesn't exist. It is logically impossible that any being can have the following characteristics: 1- all-knowing 2- all-powerful 3- actively involved in human affairs 4- loving in nature. 1 and 2 and 3 are consistent. 1 and 3 and 4 can be consistent. But to see evil and choose not to stop it one cannot be loving. Mutually exclusive attributes equals nonexistence.
Who else do you know but God who could possibly be omniscient? No one of course. Therefore, you have nothing to compare your statement with, and therefore, you can't prove your statement. If he is omniscient then he would be the one establishing what can and cannot be, and he could rightly choose to give us free will. His choice. He makes the rules.
Omniscience is an idea and a concept which I can grasp.
Omniscience means that everything is known regardless of time. This means that choices which happen in a timeline would be known by an omniscient being even before they happen. This makes the concept of free will within a religious world just inane.
"His choice. He makes the rules."
There is no evidence that a deity even exists. Please.
And yet the concept of omniscience still does not change
Your concept of omniscience is your concept, not everyone's. The atheistic mindset usually only considers empiricism as its chosen epistemology, but you show here that philosophy can also be used to reason. As such, you are of a broader mindset than most, but philosophy has also been used through the centuries to reason the existence of diety and the concept of fee will. evidence in science is not the same as evidence in philosophy, but no less valid.
This one quote: "And it should be everyone's concept" explains the atheistic mindset. your concept of omniscience is not the only one supported by the dictionary, nor by science. Quantum theory allows for the existence of multiple outcomes. Scientists are not yet fully grasping this but it is accepted by many, and would allow for the existence of free will without denying a creator.
The reason I think everyone should use the word the same way is so we can all be talking about same thing. This is in no way an atheistic trait. Even if I was a believer I would want this.
Also please provide something that you consider an argument for a deity. This conversation is just so inane and a waste of time.
What is your point? That evidence can be different in different areas of study? That this makes it possible to prove a deity? What exactly? Then give this proof.
I never said there was absolute proof of a diety. Science can not say that nor any other epistemology. BUT, subjective evidence certainly can and has been presented by philosophers thoughout history. I accept science, the SM, the big bang - all of that, but I also accept the existence of a creator . I see no conflict except with the argument of first cause.
to answer your question"What is my point?": My point is that reality may consist of more than simple empiricistic evidence. And if one only accepts the positivistic point of view, then you indeed possess are much narrower view of reality than say ,for example, an integrationist, of whom there are many.
Just FYI, am I an Intelligrnt Design supporter? Definitely not. Science is about the physical empirical world- nothing more. I totally accept science and the question of first cause does not negate what is. religion is an entirely separate epistemology and its conclusions are derived in an entirely different manner. It should never be taught as science and vice versa.
I suppose it doesn't when put like that. I meant that ID should not be taught in the science classroom. ID is no more suggested from the empirical perspective than the position of no creator is suggested. Those who see God in science are interpreting, those who do not are interpreting.
one cannot be loving." Do you know by that statement you have discredited your belief in no God. Just because he doesn't do what you think it right, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
1 and 2 and 3 and 4 ARE consistent, just not to mockers and unbelievers.
"Therefore any perceived "evidence" pro or con is completely subjective."
No it is not. Empirical evidence recognizes ONLY reality.
Because reality is measurable. Anything else might as well not exist. Anything that is demonstrable and that manifests would be considered evidence and real for that matter.
"but alone science is silent on the matter. "
Just as it is silent about big foot and the pink unicorn.
Because there is no evidence that suggest that these things exist!
naked -You are right when you suggest that empirical evidence is measurable. And the SM only recognizes that which is measurable. But empiricism (science) is only one epistemology. There are many other epistemologies which rely on more subjective means to arrive at a conclusion, such as philosophy, psychology,math,etc. These are no less real, but are less quantifiable in terms of objective evidence. If you deny that then you are denying every philosopher who ever lived.
Yes, math is an epistemology, but "proof "in math is not the same as proof in science. Scientific proof in subject to change upon new physical evidence. Mathematical proof is solid - unchangable. Philosophic reasoning is more subject, definitely not empirical, but no less real. The positivistic mindset is very limited, but certainly not the only way to think.
I've no problem with the content of videos like this, but claiming these quasi-philosophical arguments to be 'scientific evidence' is patently false. And if the simple "look at that. That had to be created" argument is enough evidence for you, then I wish you well, travelling around atop your sugar gum steed in your magical world of fairies and lemon drops. Just please don't claim it is science, because that is bullshit.
Like I said, no need to get insulting about it. It really is funny how 123strauss gave up on the argument and, within hours, you appeared. He was just as insulting as you are. I wonder why.
Why would god create the earth with tectonic plates that bang into each other, causing earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes?
Why would god create so many different types of eyes, since creationists seem to dwell on the complexity of the eye so much?
Why would god create beings in such a complex way that errors occur so often? If god is perfect, you think he could make something without it falling apart.
It's because we, human, disobeyed God from the beginning. It's us we have to suffer for the punishment. For those who think he is sinless, he already committed the sin. So do u think u r clean and worthy enough to live in the heaven?
This response sounds suspiciously like an argument I just had with someone named 123strauss. He said he was giving up the argument, but it would appear not. Oh well. My questions still remain unanswered.
the flood was because almost the whole world was extremey wicked. All the world was worshiping idols and God was sorry that he created man, so he was creating a flood to destroy all the wicked but saved the righteos. The wicked are told and warned they are going to hell, so how can you call God unloving when you are the unloving one, hateing God all your life and then deciding when your burning in hell "i don't like thiis place god take me to heaven".
metalfreind 1 year ago
BULLSHIT
ryan1987h 1 year ago 2
all i see is wow look how complex this is. Look at what my religion believes. Time had a begining but god has always been. Listen to me when i recomend a youtuber and give you something that really confused me but is possible. cdk007 white holes.
sameritaco 1 year ago
@sameritaco Have you done your reaserch for the other side yet. A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING b4 u open your moth like this. And the bottom of the ocean is warmer so that's why it freezes from the bottem down you'll find ice doesn't sink if you look it up to find the science behind it not the god thats easier to think of. And for prayer there are variables. you can think you wont have cancer and with the right immune system and the drugs you wont. These tests are innacurate and other studies proveso
sameritaco 1 year ago
summary: there's really small things, and really big things, things we know are true, and things we can test. Therefore god exists.
Yea, sorry kid, you just failed so hard I bet it took your virginity.
Feralus69 1 year ago
If there really are any gods, then why are they so carefully hiding all the evidence? Look tat the universe around you, all that space and still no evidence of any gods.
Ozzyman200 1 year ago
this is stupid in so many ways....
onassos 1 year ago
You actually put scientific in the title of this &^#!
flashman2012 1 year ago
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flashman2012 1 year ago
OK another creationist who is wrong, wrong, wrong, god did not create the heavens, zeus did, now prove me wrong....and youngfred, please watch your language, zeus might hear you.
oiram71317 1 year ago
So basically your argument is that because things are awesome then god must exist? Just because an orgasm feels really awesome, doesn't mean god was jerking me off. Did you forget that every religion, besides the retarded scientologists, was created by people who thought the world was flat? Are dinosaurs really called jesus horses? I mean every modern person knows this is all fabricated nonsense from an ancient era. Thats why you take sick people to a hospital not a church. Don't be dumb.
kdunc008 1 year ago
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timmcfly15 1 year ago
This is the most absurd thing ever. You cannot simply observe something, ignore its scientifically-proven properties, and say that its apparent complexity is evidence of God. This type of argument is completely tautological and anecdotal; it is not PROOF or EVIDENCE at all. Furthermore, citing Bible verses and other religious text (which were written by PEOPLE and cannot be shown to be anything more) does not add credibility to the argument because it relies on antiquated speculation only!
METALskeleton666 1 year ago
Just to let you know, none of these are very good arguments. Us atheists have a term: Fractally wrong.
DarthHater100 2 years ago
Awesome I've been looking for evidence for the flying spagetti monster! And here it is! Thank you!
Ramen!
shandorejunk 2 years ago 2
well one thing scientists cant figure out is that since everything happens because of something else where did space and all of everything come from. Sure you can go all the way back to the when the big bang happened but why did that happen and where did whatever made the big bang come from?
ttimothyp16 2 years ago
All I see is lots of assumptions based on ignorance, any suggestions you can come up with will have to be answered without supernatural cause as nothing has ever been proved to be supernatural, at best "unknown".
If you claim that God did something then first prove there is a god, otherwise it's a baseless assumption, your dishonest if you claim God exists without the evidence to prove it.
Didn't your "god" say something about not lying?
FeroGotBalls 2 years ago
@FeroGotBalls you got balls but no brains. all your assumptions is based on the same dumb shit. if you don't believe you sure act like your trying to cover up something. if i aruged with people about the fact that i thought the stay puff marshmellow man was real. I would be the bigger fool because i'm the one who knew he doesn't really exist. the fact that your aruging shows you must believe or is dumb as all shit. either way athiest look stupid. so, once again athiest have been destroyed
youngfred116 2 years ago
I have no idea about what you just talked about, you throw insults around but in the end you've got no argument.
"stay puff marshmellow man" how can one argue that it exists when knowing it does not, and how does that fit anyones point of view?
Do you know what atheism is?
Do you know what the burden of proof is?
You made no sense what-so-ever.
But maybe it's because I just don't speak retardish.
FeroGotBalls 2 years ago
@FeroGotBalls suck it you queer the whole video destroyed you dom fucks. i really don't have to say shit. i see with your comment that you lack fundament grasp of basic knowlegde so you cant comprehend no sense what so ever. just lick dick and die. Your kind is obsolete
youngfred116 2 years ago
wat
haladar5 1 year ago
you can't rationalize with people that are deluded to this degree.
they are too far gone.
NATEandtheMONKEY 2 years ago
why do you folks insist on posting this horseshit when all of these 'arguments' of yours have been thoroughly refuted, even here on youtube? you really are mentally ill. i stand in awe at your determination to remain stupid.
illbetilbake 2 years ago
@illbetilbake I read your comment an you say you stand in awe at your determination to remain stupid. Well God isn't an objective experience, God is a subjective experience. I stand in awe seeing your ignorance to something you have never even tried to know or understand. Just because you choose to remain ignorant doesn't make your opinion any more valid.
questioneverything8 2 years ago
@questioneverything8 Well, genius, if you are talking about personal experience, how can there be talk of 'scientific evidence of god's existence' as the video is entitled? Is it subjective or is it scientific? As far as I am concerned anything that is personal and cannot be demonstrated to other people is irrelevant. Ambiguous feelings achieved in mass group gatherings can easily and more than adequately explained in scientific terms as anything but proof of god's existence.
illbetilbake 2 years ago 3
@questioneverything8 greet comment keep kicking there butts
youngfred116 2 years ago
"repent on god, he loves you and for that, he will place you on heaven."
(if you don't you will burn forever? then where is the love?)
god is merciful and all-loving
(yes, god loves you. those giant flood is meant to kill all motherfuckers on earth. their minds are too fucked up.
new definition of love?)
why can't we say that god is THREAT MASTER ?
god says:
"YOU DO THIS OR YOU'LL BE FUCKED FOREVER IN HELL!!!!!"
well, at least that was what love means in bible
chropose 2 years ago 3
why do you creationists worship the god?
because he is omnipotent?
no. he is NOT OMNIPOTENT.
if he is omnipotent, could god KILL HIMSELF?
could GOD DESTROY himself and put him on EXTINCTION?
chropose 2 years ago
This is all great and everything except one thing. There is no god.
iversonmatthew 2 years ago 2
meh, wishful thinking. the problem between science and god is that the religious would like to posture as if they have all the answers, but they have no mechanism to determine whether their claims are accurate.
religion should stick to morality and let science cover the physics.
jwfcp 2 years ago
1,000,000 years from now we'll look back on how, 50,000 years from now, we thought we knew all the answers. We'll repeat this cycle every million years.
Whichever side of the fence you sit on, keep your minds open.
therealdjspiff 2 years ago
Why do you Christians always look to science to prove God? Could it be that you know science works and gods don't?
-just sayin'
jjkoehler 2 years ago 3
@jjkoehler:
What do you mean that God doesn't work? Also, it's not only Christians, many people believe in God and aren't Christians. We look to Science to prove God's existance because as Albert Einstein said:
"the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection"
It's a Transcendental and teleological philsoophical argument for God.
ogirv101 2 years ago
The fact that many people share in a delusion doesn't lend it any more credence. In fact, that the same result of "spirituality" can be achieved regardless of the religion is compelling evidence that all of them are wrong. A feeling of spirituality is probably just a human condition, and clearly has nothing to do with the myriad of gods we've created to explain it.
jjkoehler 2 years ago 2
@jjkoehler:
So everyone is wrong about God then, so tell me why you're right? So there's compelling evidene they're wrong? I'd like to see that. Spirituality is just a human condition, just like reason and logic, therefore we shouldn't trust it.
ogirv101 2 years ago
I needn't tell you why I'm right, it is you who is making an assertion that there is evidence god exists. Either put up or shut up.
If someone told you they had an invisible time machine in their basement, would you feel like you were required to come up with evidence it doesn't exist or would you ask for proof of its existence before believing it?
If you're equating spirituality with emotion (which I am) I would agree, it isn't trustworthy. Logic and reason are proven ways of finding truth.
jjkoehler 2 years ago
@jjkoehler:
No, I'm not making an assertion. I'm not saying I'm right, I say I believe I'm right. You're saying I'm wrong. You made the claim, therefore need to provide the burden of proof. That's how logic works, don't like it? Well to bad.
So emotion isn't trustworthy? Why not? No, truth is proven through logic and reason, truth doesn't prove logic and reason because you use logic and reason to find truth. To assume logic and reason are proven by truth is circular reasoning.
ogirv101 2 years ago
@jjkoehler only ones i see who are delusional are you cave men still talking about the world is flat until someone proves it. you dumb fucks probaly believe the sun revolves around the earth. lol the fact that all athiest say the same dumb shit leads credence that you are all conditioned to just bitch and not care about facts., any form of intelligent conversation would just show how unitelligent you are so i'll stop talking. Game over poof. You freaks are too easy to destroy.
youngfred116 2 years ago
@youngfred116 Earth revolves on axis and orbits the sun, not revolves around sun. The sun orbits the center of the galaxy and the galaxy moves through space. The Bible believes though the earth moved not and was hanging on nothing when insteads it was moving through space, how did they miss that, and centrifical force and gravity are at work, not nothing.
hydrolito 1 year ago
when you look at the moon or earth or sun or any celestial body it looks like it is hanging on nothing because you feel the affects of gravity you don't see gravity you only measure its force. So moderned man learn about the force called gravity; just like they learn about dark energy and anti matter. they have not always known about these things. garvity is an unseen force dude. So it' like the wind it's there but you'll never ever see it. so it looks as though it hangs on nothing.
youngfred116 1 year ago
Meant Bible Believers not the Bible Believes, sorry about that.
hydrolito 1 year ago
The video was well crafted and produced. That being said, it's content is completely without merit.
"The sky is pretty" does not prove the existence of God.
"A child's laughter" does not prove the existence of God.
"The wind blowing from the East to the West" does not prove the existence of God.
What the hell is wrong with you people that you think these types of arguments are sequitors?
CharBroiled04 2 years ago 3
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jjkoehler 2 years ago
Video summary:
The macrocosm is pretty, therefore there is a God.
The microcosm is complex, therefore there is a God.
Checkmate atheists.
Brilliant. Well I don't know about anyone else out there but I'm convinced.
Hallelujah!!!
Gcarse 2 years ago 3
chropose 2 years ago
As usual, people trying to prove the existence of god end up failing big time. Why don't you prove santa instead. After all, I get christmas presents every year, therefore there must be a santa claus.
JmSantos78 2 years ago 2
compllete rubbish. very flawed reasoning
mateodawkins 2 years ago 3
we is because we is... your god does not exist..
sorry
johnathanhowlett 2 years ago 3
appeal to emotion lol, firmament? Somehow it got lost when the telescope was invented
bajorjor1 2 years ago 8
Many have set out to prove the existence of God, and in the end they find -
yes, there is creation! Ignorant humans have created a God in their image.
SRangelDE 2 years ago 2
Couldn't you do something vaguely original?
I mean, come on. "Ooh, it's complicated and I don't understand it, therefore God."?
MrFungus420 2 years ago 2
All these things considered by human thought - which only looks for patterns.
Sorry, but none of which you talked about is proof of your god.
Jools86 2 years ago 2
So where was the science? You would get a Nobel Prize for proving that a god existed. Don't be expecting anything for that piece of nonsense.
RevJerryFalwell 2 years ago 3
¿Which evidence? Speculation? ja ja ja. Be more seriuos next time jerk!
eemontero 2 years ago 2
Well, you havent given any proof. Not surprising.
Same ol', same ol'.
mammacatta 2 years ago 7
Wow. This is more stupid than the TAG argument.
soapage 2 years ago 4
When the cards are down you'll cry to God for help
AquaTempus 2 years ago
As Millions know my Brother in Christ, through the proof of Science, History & God's Prophetic Word, the calm before the storm of the Tribulation ahead, is almost over! The Truth caters to no single individual of God's Creation, but the truth in itself, yet Thanks to God's Love & Wisdom, we've been blessed with the choice to share in & value the truth or deny it until our last breathe & pay the Just Price! The events ahead will be greater than mankind has every witnessed! May God Bless You All!
GODLOVESUSSOMUCH 2 years ago
GODLOVESUSSOMUCH -
may God Bless you All - well, only if you believe in him.
Otherwise, he loves us so much that he'll send us to hell and torture us for all eternity.
SRangelDE 2 years ago
@GODLOVESUSSOMUCH What just price? God supposedly created all things, that would include sin, so somehow it's our fault Huh? That does not make logical sense. God is love, he'll burn you forever but it's love, are you insane? That's not love and worse than any tyrant that ever lived. Completely illogical.
hydrolito 1 year ago
Which God?
GrandSupremeDaddyo 2 years ago 4
I personally look at the reasons why I'm down and what I can do to get out of the situation.. but hey, if talking to yourself and others about the voices in your heads makes you happy then go for it. Just leave me out of it.
btw the video is shit. good job idiot.
ikt123 2 years ago
They have been, and I didn't.
To me, this statement of yours is just as meaningful as if I were to tell you that when the chips are down (not cards, work on your metaphors) you'll cry to Zeus for help.
Equally stupid propositions...
MrFungus420 2 years ago
The arguments set forth in this video prove that the Creator is the one set forth in the theory of pandeism; they actually disprove a theistic God, and prove one that is pandeistic!!
PanDeism 2 years ago
Or it it just that like God said: "God and sin can not occupy the same space". So maybe that explains why man is allowed to sin because as God said he left the earth and man to the vices of his own evil heart to recognize the need for man to do things God's way ...at least for a short time. And when he returns if we haven't changed our ways he'll be forced to cast those who haven't changed out of his presence. Hell
sweetbilly 2 years ago
To say that "God and sin can not occupy the same space" is much like saying that atoms and electromagnetism can not occupy the same space; all things are of the Deus, and can not exist otherwise, hence the Deus sustains "sin" as much as every other bit of matter or energy in the Universe.... the Deus of pandeism then is superior to a God that is powerlessly locked out of any part of the Universe....
PanDeism 2 years ago
I agree my friend, as you said correctly, "all things are of the Deus (God), and can not exist otherwise". This is true, for God is not seperated from any part of his creation, as all creation is related to the focal point of the creator. What's left to add, is that God has created the choice for his children to be obedient or sin. We've all sinned & while God could, he has not, by choosing in his perfect will, to be just in relation to his creation, allowing us to be forgiven of our sinfulness!
GODLOVESUSSOMUCH 2 years ago
There is nothing to be forgiven, for when we "sin" we simply partake in that part of "God" which is "sin".... some consider it a sin to consume alcohol, but who would be so irrational as to demand that their liver cells repent for digesting the alcohol consumed?
PanDeism 2 years ago
Well Friend, it's interesting how you've come to that conclusion, especially as you seem very sincere in your approach to seek the Truth. You've shared your personal understanding of what God could be, instead of what God actually embodies, which is in our God Given Word that has scientifically, literally & collectively been interpreted. We are not 'programmed' but given free will, so if we chose to harm our flesh, that is our fault/sin, not the fault of our 'programmed' flesh! God Bless Brother
GODLOVESUSSOMUCH 2 years ago
@sweetbilly How can hell be out of his prescence if he's an omniprescent god again, the book contradicts itself as one place it says god is omniprescent and elsewhere it says man is cast out of his prescence and he is setting on a throne. They can't even get their story straight.
hydrolito 1 year ago
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missilemaker188 2 years ago
This video is terrible. He makes so many points and then instantly connects them to a god. What is missing in all these ideas are the actual connections between the ideas and god.
A large percentage of the points themselves are not even logical.
Preaching won't change peoples minds, only facts, and this video has provided no logical arguments.
anselmo666666 2 years ago
My youth group showed this vid and this is what solidified my beleif in Him.
limepink1318 2 years ago
What is more silly? Man following a God they can't see, or man offended by a God they don't believe in.
Atheism is intellectual suicide.
missilemaker188 2 years ago
Atheism in no way equates to being offended by a god. How you can be offended by something you don't believe in?
Atheism is simply the rejection of a claim.
anselmo666666 2 years ago
Oh but you're quick to blast a Christian with your false claims and bogus questions. Then you're quick to destroy them with belittling words. I don't call that rejection. I say if you don't believe in it, then don't follow it. Don't work yourself over failing to disprove God
missilemaker188 2 years ago 2
It is not up to me to disprove a god. Can you prove that unicorns don't exist? How about Fairies? Leprechauns? Bigfoot? The Loch Ness Monster?
No?
The person making the claim holds the burden of providing evidence for it. Claims are not considered true unless disproved.
Also, I do not make claims, I simply state well established facts. There is a difference.
anselmo666666 2 years ago 2
This is bullshit. I was a HARDCORE christian for damn near 15 years. The universe is beyond your god. Fuck off you ignorant retards.
GraveGratification 2 years ago
Your parents actually have any children that lived??
sweetbilly 2 years ago
whaaaaaa...
GraveGratification 2 years ago
Read about "the Jews and their Lies (1543) by Martin Luther and you will learn how evil Jesus was to have inspired Luther to inspire Hitler. There may be a designer but it certainly was not the sometimes loving, sometimes vengeful god of Abraham of the Bible who so poorly designed his children that he drowned them all in frustration at his failure with the except ion only of Noahs family. Hahaha loser Christians go to hell anyway because Jesus claimed to be gods son which is blasphemy.
imaginethereisnogod 2 years ago
OH PLEASE HATER!! I run across illiterate idiots like you everyday, and none of you people ever say anything remotely accurate accurate about the bible or Jesus or history. So we'll see about your little hater theory in a couple of years won't we?? No doubt you'll worship Satan and will wind up being one of those people getting dry humped by demons in hell until you're chafed raw.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
LoL Talk about contradicting yourself, first you cite the Jews as being the dirty evil liars they are, then you say the Christians inspired Hitler to murder them after embracing them. hahahhahaha You can't have it both ways idiot!
You're words and hate give you away antisemite, Hitler, hate and the worship of nothing is your God not ours!!! Blasphemy idiot can only be committed by non-believers, now "imagine there is no god" and get bitch slapped by him.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
LOL you haters crack me up "the Jews inspired Hitler to genocide the Jews"!!! hahaha
You know why you idiot's can't tell history or read the bible correctly like 98% of all the other religions and people on earth, because when you do it proves you to be nothing more than Christian/Jew hating, illiterate, blaspheming, zealots, control freaks and buffoons. More or less it proves Satan exists, thus proving God exists, thus proving you wrong "EVERY TIME". It's getting old now.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
Maybe Satan is the good one. If you compare the amount of people who have been slaughtered by god compared to those that Satan has killed, it is something like a million to one ratio. If the bible is the word of god as everyone says it is, then god is a maniacal, murderous, jealous, spiteful tyrant.
Maybe Satan is the good one and he is just waiting for all of you to wake up and realize you are following an immoral standard.
anselmo666666 2 years ago
Oh please God doesn't kill nor is he a tyrant, jealous, maniacal etc.. he just gives man over to Satan or his own mind. He made that perfectly clear in the bible, he gives man over to the devices of his own polluted mind or to the will of Satan and the ultimate end is death. Either way he's completely out of the picture when you start blasting each other, If you would have read a bible instead of burning them you would already know that.
I'll let you eat your words yourself on this one.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
...Just read revelations, neither he nor any of his followers are on earth and you haters are cutting each other into fish bait.
And even if he did kill people what kind of a loving father would allow his children to do what ever came into their polluted minds when ever they wanted??? I can't think of a loving father that wouldn't discipline his children for love of his children or to protect his other children from the bad ones. So you're point is completely moot anselmo.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
A god who doesn't discipline his children isn't a loving God.
sweetbilly 2 years ago 3
An all-powerful all-knowing god would know every decision everyone would make... so how can he be just if he then punishes us for those decisions? An omnipotent and omniscient god would in effect be controlling our every action. Imagine if you set up your child in so that he broke one of your rules. Would you consider it right to punish him for that?
anselmo666666 2 years ago
Well it all depends, did you teach him right from wrong? If so then the child has a choice as god has given us one! Think before you speak. God made it clear to us what we are gonna do and what we are doing is wrong, yet we still do it. If you child does something you set up and yet you taught him to not do that, yes by all means grab the belt for the bible says discipline thy children and you sire must be blind?! ...o,O
CrippleSkater16 2 years ago
God made it clear to us? You are one ignorant motherfucker. You religious fanatics can't even provide one shred of evidence for this so-called god, so how can you say he made it clear to us? Anyways, you are an evil bastard if you would punish your child for something you made him do. That's what you are saying your god does. If he doesn't do that, then he isn't omniscient and omnipotent as you claim.
anselmo666666 2 years ago
Yes, He made it clear. You cannot see because you are blind by the devil. You are cursing me, and your name says everything. "Those that want to be filthy and live in darkness, let them"...so I am gonna do as the Bible commands me to do. You can decide on your own, and it is because of God you can. Think. Who made this world? How did it come to be. Did man create it? NO Did it just form from absolutly nothing? NO....YOU NEED TO STOP AND THINK. Stop letting the Devil control you!!! OPEN YOUR EYES
CrippleSkater16 2 years ago
@CrippleSkater16 The Devil doesn't exist and therefore doesn't control anyone. He's as imaginary as your god.
hydrolito 1 year ago
@CrippleSkater16 Where did God come from if nothing existed before god created it, then god didn't exist either, so how did a nothing called god creat everything? God didn't and it didn't come from nothing we just haven't figured out where it was.
hydrolito 1 year ago
The Lord of the Rings is a much better book. It doesn't contradict itself, preach murder, genocide, rape, infanticide, greed, or wrath, and it sure as hell doesn't make people kill each other over it.
anselmo666666 2 years ago
Well lord of the rings doesn't exist and God does, but I'll let you find that out persoanlly.
Yeah talking about infanticide for religious beliefs you evo's/atheists/haters are superior to the Christians having only aborted 40 million babies since 1973 ...five million of which were only MURDERED since the start of the Iraq war. So you were saying....?
Don't talk about things you have no understanding of, it makes you sound like a bigoted asshole when proven wrong.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
Lord of the Rings is a book, so is the bible. They both exist. They both are fiction as well. Care to provide evidence as to why you think your bible is "the word of god"?
If your god is real, by the way, they he has been responsible for hundreds of millions of abortions, far more than were done by WILLING women.
anselmo666666 2 years ago
Apparently you don't understand the concept of free will and how Satan used free will to coerce man into destroying himself. Free will is love, if God forced his will upon man he could not claim to love man and Christianity would be nothing more than Islam or Atheism. God doesn't do anything, the iniquity is in YOU planted as a thought by Satan. If you want to know who your enemies and the faithful are you let them expose themselves by their actions.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
Did he know man was going to fall, you bet he did. Did he know a certain few were going to be saved, you bet he did. But he gave man the choice to believe and follow or reject god out of love. Think about this God even uses Satan to allow the evil on earth to convict the good into faithfulness. It's all about love and free will. God gave us the bible and Jesus Christ so that we could see and know the difference with our own eyes. BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT FIRST.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
Gods thinking is infinitely higher than yours or mine in all his ways. Yes he already knows who is lost and who will be saved when all is said and done, but then if he didn't Justice could not be done without free will and he surly couldn't claim to love anyone or be omnipotent if he forced his will on man could he? Yet he destroyed the best Satan could muster by allowing the one INNOCENT person to be crucified by hate. That's love to me. It all works to his will as long as man will submit.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
Takes a VERY powerful "transparent" loving God to allow his creation to question him and attempt to prove him a liar using his own creation or to die for them personally just so he wouldn't have to push them out of his presence, unlike Islam or Judaism or Hinduism or Atheism. What that should tell you is that God is there EVERYDAY if you will only admit you don't know everything and come to him contrite humble heart. AS EVERY SAVED CHRISTIAN MUST DO IN ORDER TO BE SAVED.
sweetbilly 2 years ago
@sweetbilly That's not love, forcing people to come into existance through no fault of there own and burning them forever for being sane and not believing rediculous nonsense is not a god of love.
hydrolito 1 year ago
@sweetbilly Where's evidence Jesus was innocent he contradicted the law supposedly set up by god, so would be just as guilty as anyone else. He told them not to observe sabbath contrary to the law, and didn't want them to stone adulterress contrary to the law, etc. .So according to their law supposedly dictated by god he was guilty.
hydrolito 1 year ago
@sweetbilly Your right about one thing god doesn't do anything. As for Satan he doesn't exist except in stories and pictures. No evidence God or Satan exist. Story of Adam and Eve, they ate the fruit and they didn't surely die that day, but had sons and daughters so if it was true, Satan would have been telling the truth and not god, as what god supposedly said didn't happen.
hydrolito 1 year ago
@sweetbilly Gee where is the evidence the people responsible for the abortions were Atheists? Aren't people swore into office on a Bible where is the fairness in that? So blame Christians for the abortions and the Iraq war what does it have to do with Atheist. Most presidents of recent times were professing Christians and not Atheists so why blame Atheists for Abortions? Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama,etc. were all professing Christians not Atheists.
hydrolito 1 year ago
MY GOD! I cannot believe you said that!!! You need to GRAB THE BIBLE IMMEDIATLY!!! HOW IS IT THAT PEOPLE CAN READ A HARRY POTTER BOOK PROBABLY AS YOURSELF...AND FINISH IT WITHIN A MONTH BUT CANNOT GRAB THE BIBLE TO FIND THE TRUTH!!?? God created the devil yes, but instead of destroying him he has let him reign upon us, so that we would have to choose, EVIL? OR GOOD?...and you sir, must have chosen the devil therefore this mess = nothing to you. I am sorry you see God that way!?
GOD BLESS YOU
CrippleSkater16 2 years ago
@sweetbilly Why would we worship Satan who doesn't exist? That makes no logical sense, are you retarded or kidding?
hydrolito 1 year ago
also vincenz, your an idiot. the study of particals and matter IS studying nature...as without these, nature would not exist!!!! and how this couldnt possibly be worthwhile is beyond me. think about something to say before you say it. also, its impossible to recreate natural conditions of this stuff for obvious reasons. in my opinion, your also manipulating the truth to suit your biased religion outlook. we dont need to understand the bible as its irrelevant.
gregw77 2 years ago
also your an asshole. all the people who studied nature over the millenia beleived in a creator..study the sumerians..the maya and the egyptians..now you believe that one particle you study claim evoltion..your full of shit
vincenz55 2 years ago
vincenz55 -Consensus does not turn bullshit into truth. To find truth you must start with facts. When starting with facts you are permitted to ignore superstition and false beliefs.
imaginethereisnogod 2 years ago
facts set out by whom? the facts agreed on by many scientists worldwiude and by the billions of humans, all acknowledge in an a Creator..
vincenz55 2 years ago
vincenz55 Acknowledgment of a creator does not mean there is one. Many people acknowledge voodoo. So you believe in voodoo then? You say many people acknowledge a creator. Many people acknowledge many creators . Which one is real? There should be only one creator? Which ones are real and which are imaginary?
Consensus does not turn bullshit into truth. To find truth you must start with facts. When starting with facts you are permitted to ignore superstition and false beliefs.
imaginethereisnogod 2 years ago
ever heard of impostors, frauds fakes scammers liars? the great impostor satan lucifer belzebub bahomet and his demonic horde of angels including some humans camouflage themselves as gods BUT they are no match for The Almighty who will annihlate them once and for all at armagheddon
vincenz55 2 years ago
vincenz55 FSM is Lord, Jesus is a blasphemer and the true antichrist. Jesus is one of the most successful frauds and imposters, but he was caught and he was executed for impersonating the son of god.
Pity the fools falling for the false teachings of Jesus, falsely known as Christ but truly is the antichrist, executed for blasphemy among his crimes, letting people think he was the son of god.
Admit the bible is false, it has some good teachings but it is also full of crap and lies.
imaginethereisnogod 2 years ago
i know who you follow: the words of those fools of alister crowely and anton levay whos god is lucifer aka satan. thats your god
vincenz55 2 years ago
Jesus is a false prophet, he was executed for blasphemy against god, there is no punishment for failing to follow a loser false prophet.
Many gods are less evil and more living than the god of Abraham in the bible. Why waste time following the false prophet of a bad god?
Oh dear. A man has a lucid dream and claims its a message from god. Humanity still has so far to go.
it ...is becoming now a mass hallucination as other people join the Jesus boat on the river to hell!
theworldturnsdaily 2 years ago
get off those cheap drugs your dreaming in technicolour
vincenz55 2 years ago
The fundemental problem is that you ignorant evolutionists and atheists have never studied the bible and its true meaning, never studied nature, never studied anything worthwhile just some stupid molecule under a stupid microscope under manmade conditions not as it appears in nature therfore you people are forgers and tampering and manipulating the truth to suit your own adgendas and preconcieved ideas..your just a bunch of lying cheating deceiving morons
vincenz55 2 years ago
your the moron. without us "ignorant evolutionists and atheists" who dont or didnt believe god exists/existed, there wouldnt have been anyone to prove that particals and matter are based on intelligent design and creation. therefore, if this wasnt proven, it wouldnt have been proven that there was in fact an intelligent designer to have created it, making it easier to believe that everything just "existed." without us, it would just be even easier to believe god didnt/doesnt exist.
gregw77 2 years ago
more imecillic comments from someone whos got cottage cheese for brains in between his ears..your comments are so full of philosophy and lack of substance its laughable.
start showing us facts rather than fairytales
vincenz55 2 years ago
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gregw77 2 years ago
youre seriously fucking retarded. i never once said i didnt believe in a creator. i said without us skeptics there wouldnt be people to dive into this kind of study, and prove that everything has an intelligent design, thus PROVING the existence of a god. i said without these people, it would be easier to believe god didnt exist. and i HAVE studied mayans, ancient egypt, sumerians, catholics, buddhist, hindus, etc.cottage cheese for brains...fuck you.still a lot more than anything you got fagot.
gregw77 2 years ago
leave me alone go fuck yourself instead you useless piece of australopithecus primate shit. if you knew about religion you wouldnt be talking useless crap
vincenz55 2 years ago
lol no one can take you serious gregw77 with all this garbage you're spewing.
/dismiss
missilemaker188 2 years ago
more imecillic comments from someone whos got cottage cheese for brains in between his ears..your comments are so full of philosophy and lack of substance its laughable.
start showing us facts rather than fairytales
vincenz55 2 years ago
Tell me this; if God can be ascribed the ad hoc hypothesis of "necessity", then why not the universe? There can be no reasonable denial of the universe's existence, so we have more reason to suppose its necessity than that of a God. And don't give me the bullshit explanation that the universe must be contingent because it had a beginning, because the big bang THEORY (and that's what it is) doesn't say anything about the universe being created from nothing.
challywag 2 years ago
You have already set the boundries of your own argument and the reasoning that can be used, so in effect, you have answered your own question. From nothing, nothing comes. Something cannot create itself. So, if nothing existed from the beginning then nothing exists now and if something exists now, then something would necessarily need to have existed before and that something would either had to have been eternal or there would need to be a string of somethings stretching into infinity.
bantumwt 2 years ago
I'm not entirely sure what your getting at here, apart from restating the original issue. I would issue a word of warning about this quasi-rational talk about what existed "before" the universe, or what the universe was created "from". We have no reason to believe that our form of rationality and temporality has any grasp beyond the limits of our own universe, if indeed our universe has limits.
challywag 2 years ago
That is a standard philosophic outlook about origins. It is probably as valid as any. And I would agree with you. There is much we simply do not know and may not comprehend. One thing I am certain of: that a religious argument cannot be won using science or empirical thought.
bantumwt 2 years ago
The Bible says the earth is flat.
And that the sun revolves around the earth.
And that humans are made of dirt.
And that snakes and donkeys talk.
And that insects have 4 legs.
And that bats are birds.
And that Pi = 3 rather than 3.1416...
And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman.
I don't think science is ready to accept this nonsense as truth.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
It is impossible for science to prove or to disprove the existence of God. The reason is that the Scientific Method recognizes ONLY empirical data- no more than the senses suggest. Therefore any perceived "evidence" pro or con is completely subjective. It is what it is and open to interpretation. However, other epistemologies combined with science can strongly suggest diety - but alone science is silent on the matter.
bantumwt 2 years ago
The video goes beyond science and into philosophy and logic.
bantumwt 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
unless of course that god offers us a choice.
bantumwt 2 years ago
God's omniscience and the free will he "gave" us cannot coexist.
It makes no sense.
Then again nothing about god ever does to any rational person.
But indeed there is no free will or choice with omniscience.
nake89 2 years ago
Who else do you know but God who could possibly be omniscient? No one of course. Therefore, you have nothing to compare your statement with, and therefore, you can't prove your statement. If he is omniscient then he would be the one establishing what can and cannot be, and he could rightly choose to give us free will. His choice. He makes the rules.
bantumwt 2 years ago
Omniscience fundamentally destroys free will.
Omniscience is an idea and a concept which I can grasp.
Omniscience means that everything is known regardless of time. This means that choices which happen in a timeline would be known by an omniscient being even before they happen. This makes the concept of free will within a religious world just inane.
"His choice. He makes the rules."
There is no evidence that a deity even exists. Please.
And yet the concept of omniscience still does not change
nake89 2 years ago
Your concept of omniscience is your concept, not everyone's. The atheistic mindset usually only considers empiricism as its chosen epistemology, but you show here that philosophy can also be used to reason. As such, you are of a broader mindset than most, but philosophy has also been used through the centuries to reason the existence of diety and the concept of fee will. evidence in science is not the same as evidence in philosophy, but no less valid.
bantumwt 2 years ago
No... I am simply using the dictionary definition of the word.
And it should be everyone's concept. It is quite clear.
Atheistic mindset? Interesting.
"but philosophy has also been used through the centuries to reason the existence of diety"
I have heard many arguments for deities but never any good one's. Try to provide some.
Less valid? I'd say it is a bit. I have heard many evidence in philosophy which are generalizations or extremely subjective.
nake89 2 years ago
This one quote: "And it should be everyone's concept" explains the atheistic mindset. your concept of omniscience is not the only one supported by the dictionary, nor by science. Quantum theory allows for the existence of multiple outcomes. Scientists are not yet fully grasping this but it is accepted by many, and would allow for the existence of free will without denying a creator.
bantumwt 2 years ago
The reason I think everyone should use the word the same way is so we can all be talking about same thing. This is in no way an atheistic trait. Even if I was a believer I would want this.
Also please provide something that you consider an argument for a deity. This conversation is just so inane and a waste of time.
What is your point? That evidence can be different in different areas of study? That this makes it possible to prove a deity? What exactly? Then give this proof.
nake89 2 years ago
I never said there was absolute proof of a diety. Science can not say that nor any other epistemology. BUT, subjective evidence certainly can and has been presented by philosophers thoughout history. I accept science, the SM, the big bang - all of that, but I also accept the existence of a creator . I see no conflict except with the argument of first cause.
bantumwt 2 years ago
to answer your question"What is my point?": My point is that reality may consist of more than simple empiricistic evidence. And if one only accepts the positivistic point of view, then you indeed possess are much narrower view of reality than say ,for example, an integrationist, of whom there are many.
bantumwt 2 years ago
Just FYI, am I an Intelligrnt Design supporter? Definitely not. Science is about the physical empirical world- nothing more. I totally accept science and the question of first cause does not negate what is. religion is an entirely separate epistemology and its conclusions are derived in an entirely different manner. It should never be taught as science and vice versa.
bantumwt 2 years ago
How can you not accept ID and be a christian? That makes no sense at all.
eagler35 2 years ago
I suppose it doesn't when put like that. I meant that ID should not be taught in the science classroom. ID is no more suggested from the empirical perspective than the position of no creator is suggested. Those who see God in science are interpreting, those who do not are interpreting.
bantumwt 2 years ago
"But to see evil and choose not to stop it
one cannot be loving." Do you know by that statement you have discredited your belief in no God. Just because he doesn't do what you think it right, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
1 and 2 and 3 and 4 ARE consistent, just not to mockers and unbelievers.
Truth
missilemaker188 2 years ago
"Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
1 and 2 and 3 and 4 ARE consistent.."
Fine, let's hear the explanation.
Or else admit that you're just spouting religious nonsense.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"Therefore any perceived "evidence" pro or con is completely subjective."
No it is not. Empirical evidence recognizes ONLY reality.
Because reality is measurable. Anything else might as well not exist. Anything that is demonstrable and that manifests would be considered evidence and real for that matter.
"but alone science is silent on the matter. "
Just as it is silent about big foot and the pink unicorn.
Because there is no evidence that suggest that these things exist!
nake89 2 years ago
naked -You are right when you suggest that empirical evidence is measurable. And the SM only recognizes that which is measurable. But empiricism (science) is only one epistemology. There are many other epistemologies which rely on more subjective means to arrive at a conclusion, such as philosophy, psychology,math,etc. These are no less real, but are less quantifiable in terms of objective evidence. If you deny that then you are denying every philosopher who ever lived.
bantumwt 2 years ago
such as math? I think not.
But the others, sure.
But even psychology uses a lot of testing before arriving at conclusions.
"These are no less real"
They are less verifiable.
"denying every philosopher who ever lived"
I'm not... They've said great things... But almost everything they have said has been almost purely subjective and based on interpretation.
Science deals with what is testable.
And btw, who the fuck is naked?
How about you learn the alphabet?
nake89 2 years ago
Yes, math is an epistemology, but "proof "in math is not the same as proof in science. Scientific proof in subject to change upon new physical evidence. Mathematical proof is solid - unchangable. Philosophic reasoning is more subject, definitely not empirical, but no less real. The positivistic mindset is very limited, but certainly not the only way to think.
bantumwt 2 years ago
My point was that math deals in absolutes. But yes, it does not deal with the same evidence as science.
"Philosophic reasoning is more subject, definitely not empirical, but no less real."
I'd say it is. But I already answered this.
But my problem is not with philosophy or or math.
My problem is with people saying there is a good and giving weak evidence such as the ontological argument.
nake89 2 years ago
I've no problem with the content of videos like this, but claiming these quasi-philosophical arguments to be 'scientific evidence' is patently false. And if the simple "look at that. That had to be created" argument is enough evidence for you, then I wish you well, travelling around atop your sugar gum steed in your magical world of fairies and lemon drops. Just please don't claim it is science, because that is bullshit.
holydave 2 years ago
religious nuts will be the end of our world.
we must be good not to satisfy a fake being but so we can advance into better people and better out selfs and seek all the knowlege there is to seek
therealkbaby 2 years ago
Nooo.... STOP with God please! I am getting a sore head from frustration.
lykeomgz1987 3 years ago
Consider the heavens. Called a suspended firmament in the bible, turned out to a lot of scattered three dimensional space.
AgnosticNews 3 years ago
"Consider the heavens. Called a suspended firmament in the bible"
What?!?
You mean the stars are not glued to a rigid black bubble surrounding the earth?
Are you sure about that?
Hahaha!
The myth is okay, as far as bronze-age myths go,
but to cling to bronze-age science in today's world
is too, too absurd.
Imaginefree69 3 years ago
utter rubbish and poorly thought out...you critical thinking skills are lacking. All this is meant for lightyear888
Powerlifter83 3 years ago
Like I said, no need to get insulting about it. It really is funny how 123strauss gave up on the argument and, within hours, you appeared. He was just as insulting as you are. I wonder why.
ozziepenguin 3 years ago
Why would god make the world so complicated?
Why would god create the earth with tectonic plates that bang into each other, causing earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes?
Why would god create so many different types of eyes, since creationists seem to dwell on the complexity of the eye so much?
Why would god create beings in such a complex way that errors occur so often? If god is perfect, you think he could make something without it falling apart.
ozziepenguin 3 years ago
It's because we, human, disobeyed God from the beginning. It's us we have to suffer for the punishment. For those who think he is sinless, he already committed the sin. So do u think u r clean and worthy enough to live in the heaven?
Flaminheartx3 3 years ago
This response sounds suspiciously like an argument I just had with someone named 123strauss. He said he was giving up the argument, but it would appear not. Oh well. My questions still remain unanswered.
ozziepenguin 3 years ago
If ur questions still remain unanswered then it's too bad. Cuz u r a