Red Dragon School of Martial Arts Sparring Practice Aug 13 09

[MrThatonechannel]

me, the whole time- "PUT YOUR HANDS UP!"

[imahurricane88]

I don't see how this is hung gar at all...total lack of form.

[teslic100]

no skill seen

[shaolindrunk]

our dominant (usually) right hand is held in a fist showing that we have power, the other is in a palm covering the fist, to show that we are in control. in good kung fu, this control must be practiced, because gear does not protect against internal force. If this was not so, shaolin disciples in the past would've been killed many times over, with bare-hands OR weapons.

[Crudshifter]

Keep your hands down that low = 5 second knockout against anyone with basic boxing skills. I spent 5 years of my life learning kung fu, in 6 months of Muay Thai, my sparring got better than it ever did in that 5 years. If you want to spar, learn a fighting art, not a theoretical esoteric fighting art.

[shaolindrunk]

@Crudshifter You learned fake Kung Fu. I'm sorry you wasted your time. Many people share your plight, and in their frustration, take up other martial arts in order to spar somewhat effectively. Historically, exponents of many martial arts have given up their former training after trying their hand at the effectiveness of GENUINE Kung Fu. Thai/Siamese/Burnese boxing is no exception.

[Crudshifter]

@shaolindrunk Hi there, thanks for your comment. I studied the history of my art and travelled to China meeting masters of various systems of kungfu including mine. I do find it interesting that you're so quick to dismiss my style as fake when you know nothing about it. People are entitled to their opinions. Mine is based on a good amount of time and energy invested in a real style of kungfu. Historically, many exponents of kungfu have given up their training to study other styles also.

[Crudshifter]

@shaolindrunk I am quite aware of the sport martial art vs literal martial art parallels, but there are inherent parallels. You can spend 10 years mastering internal energies or 10 years mastering a solid right hook, both have their merits and uses in a combative situation. I have heard this straight from the mouths of masters themselves. Anyway, I think anyone that trains and furthers themselves is not wasting their time. Your comments seem to blindly defend something you hold dear. Good luck.

[shaolindrunk]

@Crudshifter not wasting their time in a certain sense i suppose, if they're practicing what many people would consider dancing, and their aim is to be able to use kung fu patterns to spar effectively with exponents of other martial arts, then for thei rpurposes, they ARE wasting their time, if they want to better themselves physically in a sense and are not necessarily concerned with combat efficiency, then the dance is suited well for them. I think you misunderstood what i initially said.

[shaolindrunk]

@shaolindrunk obviously great emphasis should be placed on skill, this is why boxers can be effective despite their limited techniques. What you are saying IS well established fact, kungfu masters have even stated it one way or another in various classics. Im jus saying man, i've done a bit of thaiboxing too, and FOR ME it jus doesn't compare, that's why i suspected what you had been spending your time on only to be dissapointed in your combat efficiency was not genuine. You see what i'm saying?

[shaolindrunk]

kung fu exponents in the past NEVER point sparred or used protective gear. Why on earth start now?

[NekoJinRei]

@shaolindrunk I think the addition of protective gear will move the art foward if done in addition to gearless technical sparring. I completely agree that point sparring should not be practiced. It only builds false confidence. Love your videos btw.

Cheers

[shaolindrunk]

@NekoJinRei the shaolin salute in itself means we are in control of our power. we must be able to practice mercy as well. So there are then two extremes to avoid, practicing kungfu forms and then resorting to kick boxing in actual fighting, not actually having the skill to fight with kung fu at all. And brutishly using all of our force in unwarranted situations when much less will do (only assuming the first extreme does not concern the exponent in question). My humble opinion of why i hate gear

[NekoJinRei]

@shaolindrunk I'm afraid I don't understand your comment regarding the Shaolin salute proving control of power. Could you please explain it?

[reddrag1]

me

[MisterMouthy]

for one thing I would catch the guy in the black with a side thrust kick to the ribs (easily) and that's sparring. If we were fighting, I'd break the leg. if he rushed me like that, I'd switch feet and front thrust kick him in the abdomen. Also, punching alone is a weakness in itself. I know a series of strikes, which I NEVER disclose, that could blind side just about any opponent! :-)

[darkmetaldroid]

cool video :) nice action

[deoxidneg]

i lol'd so hard at 0:44

[PSNHammeredDrunk]

You guys keep using the work fighting. Thats not what martial arts is about. Its about bettering yourself in everyway. Even the word "kung fu" means achieving a skill through labor or hard work. When most people sign up to do martial arts its not because they want to be a fighter. Its because the want to improve themselves in one way or another. Like discipline, endurance, flexability, self-control, strength, focus and much more.

[Anandfulness]

@PSNHammeredDrunk : This ''wanting to better oneself'' is a part of the first stage ''Wanting to know how to fight'', it's not about becoming a streetfighter. It's becoming a martial arts master. But if a master doesn't know how to fight then he is not a master. And if he still wants to fight all the time then he is also not a master. A master is a conscious person that can fight but has realized that fighting is not necessary. He is beyond the fighting and he keeps learning from life itself.

[PSNHammeredDrunk]

I watch alot of martial arts videos on youtube and I have trained in a family owned school my whole life and when I read these comment I feel bad that many people miss some of the traditional aspects of martial arts. Like respect, humbleness, the willingness to continue learning. I don't see a problem with constructive criticism. But a true martial artist would not sit here and make demeaning comments.

[shniddles]

@PSNHammeredDrunk Totally agree. With all the high calibre fighters and teachers in the world, it's hard for me to take myself too seriously. Rather, I've used martial arts to try and become a better person and learn to treat others with respect. Going out of your way to dump all over others' chosen path is a sure sign of living in fear.

[Anandfulness]

@shniddles : You mean ''going beyond the fighting''. That's a good step towards falling into the martial arts realization and eventually falling into the state of nirvana or enlightenment.

But before you can do this you need to learn how to fight off course. This can take 15 to 20 years depending on the work you put in. Most people get stuck on the fighting. Once they can fight, they want to prove to everyone that they are the best. This is the ego. Competition is 100% ego. Nothing more.

[shniddles]

@Anandfulness I feel that what your talking about can be achieved without ever learning how to fight, or even studying combat systems. Martial arts (like many things in life) can be a trap for many to fall into, a distraction from "enlightenment". Just my opinion. Just feel that people should walk their own path and mind their own business.

[Anandfulness]

@shniddles There are many paths, but when talking specifically about the martial arts path you have to learn how to fight. There are 3 stages: Wanting to learn how to fight, then being able to fight and lastly not wanting to fight anymore and going beyond the fighting. This is what is called as the martial arts realization. Each stage has physical,mental and spiritual requirements. You cannot ''hop'' from ''not knowing how to fight'' to ''not wanting to fight''. You need ''understanding'' first.

[shniddles]

@Anandfulness My original point to PSNHammeredDrunk was that people shouldn't get into hateful pissing matches and just be happy with who and where they are.

[Anandfulness]

@shniddles Just being happy is only one stage. Helping the people around you to happiness is the next. Helping the world is the final stage. (please note that I am not talking about ''helping'' in the ''spreading aid and medicine''-sense, I mean helping as a spiritual guide and helping others to understand life.) These stages are called Hinayana, Mahayana and Vajrayana.

[MrAlikoray]

this is not sparring this !!!!

[Souplover1225]

Nice job with the video, well i have nothing much to say lol i know the people because my bro and mom is with the school :P

[ZzJustinZ]

i honestly think this was wayy unfair lol

[CantPhazeMe]

if this is just for competion then its fine...as long as its not an MMA bout or a street fight you should be ok with the robot movement. 

[KralleCR]

stances and bouncing are bad ideas, you should have one stance because if you ever change your stance (right or left leads dont count) then it tells your opponent what your going to do (kick, grab, punch, etc.). Having one stance is the best idea.

Bouncing is bad because the second you stop bouncing, your opponent knows your going to attack

[asianretardation]

@JarredD798HungMan1 Damn man, PMS somewhere else. If the video's bad, don't watch it.

[shinkengatsxa]

so i was only able to get to 1:30 when i realized this is not hung gar its tae kwon do. where the hell are your stances? where is even a moderately decent attack? why does the kid in black not throw the moron in red on his ass when he tries to high kick?!?

EPIC FAIL

[NekoJinRei]

@shinkengatsxa You are right in saying there is no Hung Gar here. There really shouldn't be any bouncing in Hung Gar (that is reserved mainly for sport styles). Then again, it really is very difficult to spar with kung fu when kickboxing is so much easier to use in competition, so I can't take anything away from them.

[shinkengatsxa]

@NekoJinRei you should NEVER bounce it is retarded, it gives away your timing, leaves you more venerable to attack, and drains your energy. if you are learning an art, use it in your application or all of your training is worthless. if a guy trained in kickboxing and then tried to fight using Hung Gar that would be pretty retarded wouldn't it?!?

fighting is not about what is easier, it's about what's more effective.

[NekoJinRei]

@shinkengatsxa I agree that bouncing should not be done in fighting. It is done in sport arts like boxing and TKD to stay light on the feet and ready to throw attacks. And yes, I don't advocate using kickboxing after spending many hours training kung fu. It's just the sad truth that most kung fu fighters in the west use kickboxing and think they ARE using kung fu.

[laurenblacksinister]

Point Sparring Pussies

[Nowwer]

I agree with nomamao, if you want a practical martial art, you can't do point sparing. Also, the sensei does a little too much complementing and not enough criticism.

[nomamao]

point fighting creates bad habits. Just go into a coniuous sparring tournament, as they are held all over the place in kungfu tournaments.

Point fighting is NOT fighting. Don't train for it.

[tannerj2223]

@Afikiel uh you are clearly retarded.

[2Warlock4You]

not bad for a yellow belt but to be honest i have 4 black belts in 4 different fighting styles Karate,Kung Fu,Tai Quan Do,Tai Jitsu

[twitchmassacre]

Of course you do kid, of course...

[afikiel07]

@2Warlock4You uh kung fu is not a fighting style