RANDOM NFL FOOTBALL TALK TTC

[mario98121]

ozzmoises is like those ghosts spirits from the movie the grudge 2...he's all around us all day..LOL. great stuff mosh, and hey I think the nfl is really gonna be extended to 17 or 18 games! cant wait for that!

[Phajpahee50]

You are... the CNS Party Animal! its indisputable!

Good vid, Mosh. HOLLA!

[southofheaven88]

we'll be back, april 24 25 26 try to meet up ok

[Tyler26Spence]

LMFAO AT "CNSPARROT, that mother effer is the ***"

[Tyler26Spence]

wat was the bet that ozzmoises owes simus on

[ChessClubMusic]

can you do a sam mills throwback jersey?

[Simus1974]

were better without T.O. but he really miss Dallas.......

so long Plax, have fun in Rikers Island...lol

[ozzmoises]

enough is enough based on what if the cowboy fans didnt say bs all the time i wouldnt have to give you my piece. the cowboys cant handle winning the big games anymore i dont see them being the arizona cardinals of this year

[Simus1974]

yes get off dallas dick you broke ass bet dodger, fuck off you GAY BAY WHINER!

[ozzmoises]

fuck you simus your so much of a pussy you blocked me. I didnt dodge any bet you have no credibility why would i bet $200 to a fuck that would welch and deny he ever bet anything i know how people like you go so eat shit. Texas is full of steers and queers and your calling me gay stfu pussy

[Simus1974]

hell yeah i blocked ya bitch ass, get ya money up bitch but as i say you're a GAY BAY WHINER, you stupid little homo broke bastard you should BILLWALSH..meaning you should DIE!! piss off broke ass go collect cash from the whiner limpire to help you, you germ!!!

GAY BAY WHINERS SUCK DEAD DICKS!!!!

[ozzmoises]

broke ass bastard ha you dont even know me you fuck. your not even worthy of doing bets with and saying that shit about Bill walsh just shows how much of a complete piece of shit you really are. i mean i could say hey why dont you die like Tom Landry blablabla but im not a piece of shit like some people. You are the reason the cowboys fans are known as the biggest assclowns in the NFL

[devildriver024]

the nfc east is always the best division in football.

how am i your enemy? lol

[southofheaven88]

cause your not a dallas cowboy fan lol, thats all i was basing that on lol

[devildriver024]

gotcha lol

[NYGIANTPRIDE]

Why am I an asshole??

lol.

[Halen88]

Giants blew without Plax...BigTime!!

[Jcoulson22]

Sux livin in MD and bein broke as fuck! Hope you guys had and have a good time!

[kjmanoni]

yea but you still got roy, shit.

[JWAD115]

We need a blue chip wide out..period..and, we need secondary help in the worst way !

[CowboyBill22]

Don't forget depth at LB and O-Line. Unless you want to see Romo get killed all year and RB's take it to the house against the D like the Ravens did.

[JWAD115]

There's a shit load of wide receivers coming out in the draft...we need to grab a few !

[southofheaven88]

Willams,crayton,austin,herd,sr­anback, witten,bennett, curtis ? we have enough people to throw the ball too, i wouldnt waste an early draft pick on one, i'd fill other positions first

[HomegrownCowboy]

HAHAHAHAHA @worth a shot

[vetterman008]

I still say getting rid of T.O. was a BIG mistake, especially without any compensation, watch and see. Our running game better be off the hook this season because our receivers are always getting hurt year after year.

GO COWBOYS! Woooooooooooooooooooooo!

[JWAD115]

vetterman, I agree with you 100 % !

[southofheaven88]

well is we get the roy williams we thought we were getting we'll be just fine !

[lizzyfreek]

Miles Austin...a Dallas Cowboy sleeper. He will blossom this season.

Go Cowboys!!

[TuckDaBeast]

Appreciate the shoutout man and good job not killing my ears too much in this vid ha! It sucks losing Plax but we have 10 draft picks and 5 in the first 100 - so hopefully Reese can make something happen. P.S. I'm trying to make it down to Dallas for the game in 09'. What can I expect in terms of ticket prices at the boys house against a division rival?

[southofheaven88]

tuck : new stadium... i have no idea what they r gonna be going for.

[Cowboysin4409]

Nice Vid man!

[DALLASallDAY81]

good vid mosh

[BroncosCentral]

Haha yeah man. I know how you feel about the fast forward button.

I CAN'T WAIT for training camp to start. Ugh.

[seand67]

Wow, thanks for the 411 with the Giants & Plaxico...I'm not suprised at all and Burress is another example of a big waste of talent. Maybe he'll end up on the team who ends up signing Michael Vick....Hmm

[pinoykulet]

worth a shot lol

[cowboysrnumba1]

The Eagles have won 3 playoff games and just made an NFC Champ. Game since TO left there. I'd say that they're better of without him and I think we're better off without him.

[southofheaven88]

they needed something extra to get them to the big game though & thats where he took them.

[cowboysrnumba1]

TO didn't even play in the playoffs the year they went to the SB.

[southofheaven88]

ok stat man, take an hour & put up mcnabbs stats with owens & without owens

[cowboysrnumba1]

Who the frack cares about stats?

I'm all about substance over style. Anybody who says that we did better with TO (0 playoff wins) then they did better without him (3 playoff wins) is a lost. You can shove the stats for all I care.

[southofheaven88]

ahh bro u sooo annoy the fuck outta me haha peace ! cowboys for life !

[cowboysrnumba1]

So differing opinions annoy you?

lol, okay.

[southofheaven88]

no you being hard headed does ! stats are stats ! they can not be ignored !

[cowboysrnumba1]

Stats are for fantasy players.

Always about substance over style.

ALWAYS.

[southofheaven88]

but substance = stats !

[cowboysrnumba1]

Opinions vary. We've had plenty of stats the last 2 years and not much substance, unless you like not making the playoffs or going 1 and done?

[DStandsForDynasty]

nice point with the seahawks and the bears. this season will be a good one!

i wish i could go to the draft party w yall. work is slow. jus cant afford it. do me a favor tho. jump on stickam so i can feel like im participating.

hit me up sometime, bro. i lost yer number.

[TxShelbyTx]

OOOH badda-bing!!! HAHAHAA!! I'm game for anything CNS-Tailgate wants to do, mayun! Y'all just lemme know - we'll work out the details ASAP!

[southofheaven88]

early long sunday but if its truly a "Draft Party" Thats what we need to do !

[BishopRealTalk98]

There is only ONE player out there that can help the Giants out, and that's Boldin. Edwards won't be able to handle Eli's duck passes. Rookie WR's NEVER produce, unless your name is Boldin.

Giants loose Spags, and Derrick Ward. IMO if the Giants don't get Boldin, they'll be the same team that ended the 08 season 1-5 and a play away from 0-6.

Yet they waste a TON of cash on the DT position, when they already have depth there...

Good Job Reese mismanaging your team; HS WR's.

[southofheaven88]

great points bro, but i wasnt going there cause i just done see them getting boldin !

[BishopRealTalk98]

tru tru...

Unless they wanna give up 1st rd picks(s) + players.

As of now, Giants have Hixon and Smith as there starting two WR's LOL... But the Giants are signing players like Canty and Rocky Barnard, when players like WhoseYourMomma are going to Shithawks, for the same deal Canty got, doesn't make any sense to me..

[southofheaven88]

rocky who ? lmao u get my point ! canty did get 3 sacks but 7 mill for 3 sacks ??? come on now...

[cowboysrnumba1]

Boldin doesn't scare me. In Fact, I don't even consider him a #1 WR, just a really good number 2.

Braylon Edwards despite the drops is a different story. He can play.

[BishopRealTalk98]

Braylon can play, but can he play with Eli??? Eli doesn't throw a tight spiral, most of his deep passes are ducks, and he does play in windy conditions. I just don't think its a good fit for Braylon. Edwards good, but Eli throws a hard ball to catch. (i.e Toomers/Plex amazing catches, throughout playoffs.)

Boldin is the only answer, I believe hes a #1 WR.

[cowboysrnumba1]

I don't consider Boldin a #1 WR because I judge #1's off if they stretch the field or not and whether they're big play threats downfield. Boldin doesn't stretch the field or make plays down field at all.

I don't consider Whoseyourmomma a #1 either.

Matter of fact, I only think there's really 8-10 true #1's. Roy has the potential to be one but I don't currently consider him one.

[cowboysrnumba1]

Fitz, S.Smith(Car), Bryant, C. Johnson, A. Johnson, Jennings, R. Moss, L. Evans, TO, Marshall, Wayne, C. Johnson, Edwards are the only guys I consider #1 WR's.

Okay 13 guys. lol

[southofheaven88]

boldin blows half those guys away !

[cowboysrnumba1]

Really? Like who.

Name names.

[BishopRealTalk98]

On seasons where Boldin plays most of the season, hes putting up 1400yards/1300yards/1400yards.

He ain't the greatest deep threat WR. But hes a match up nightmare, that consistently produces, runs great over the middle routes, and is a beast on the slants/curls.

[cowboysrnumba1]

lol...Bishop. I don't consider him a #1, what do you want me to tell you? Welker puts up crazy stats too and he's not a #1 either.

[southofheaven88]

edwards sucked ass last year !!! boldin is a better player than chad.... lee evans over boldin ? get real... hell t.o. is better than these guys too , u gotta look at boldins stats last year & remember he had a severe injury & missed games too !

[cowboysrnumba1]

Yeah. Because we should judge WR's off of 1 year. TO and Roy sucked ass last year too, your point? /sarcasm

Stats? Again, who gives a shit? I have sunday ticket and I know his style of play and he's a possession WR, a great one at that, but not a true #1 WR.

He's this decade's version of Keyshawn Johnson.

[southofheaven88]

t.o. sucked last year ??? only 4 nfl WR'S got 10 or more td's last year & he was one of them !

[cowboysrnumba1]

Yeah, he was just fantastic. Your right let's just judge him off the 10 TD's. Nevermind the fact that he got perpetually bitch-slapped by no-name CB's in big games (i'd be glad to name them too). Couldn't beat a press and dropped 15 balls again. Please, give me a break, by his standards that was a crap season and would of been even crappier if not for 1 amazing game vs. a crappy niners secondary. Drop the pom poms already.

[southofheaven88]

steve smith right up there in drops as well, he why dont drop the fucking attitude...

this whole vid had zero to do with a damn wide reciever debate !

fuck boldin, fuck t.o. , they aint on our team ! peace !

[cowboysrnumba1]

Steve Smith? Are you F'n kidding me? When does he drop the ball? That guy's about as sure handed they come.

Maybe you have short-term memory but YOU budded in the conversation cocking an attitude telling me that Edwards sucked ass. I don't have an attitude, you just can't seem to handle a different opinion.

[southofheaven88]

well your not a stat guy but he was right behind owens in drops in 07-08

and also mr non fantasy football, edwards was also right moss that year for #2 over all wr & last year he just fucking sucked ass, maybe he will bounce back, maybe he wont ! he didnt have a good year at all last year though !

[BishopRealTalk98]

Giants run curls in 90% of there passing plays, and I'm being serious. Kevin Gilbribe is like in love with the curl route. And Boldin can run that shit all day long.

[cowboysrnumba1]

I'm not saying he doesn't fit what they do, I'm saying he's not a #1. And what, you think Edwards can't run a slant or a curl? I'd beg to differ on that one...

[BishopRealTalk98]

I like Edwards, I really do. But Eli throws a hard ball to catch. He just does. Mixed with the winds in the Meadowlands, I wouldn't reply on Edwards to be my #1 WR when I would prolly have to give a 1st rd'er + players for him. Just don't think Eli and Edwards wouldn't be a good fit. I see Boldin adjusting to errant passes all the time. Edwards drops passes that hit him in the chest.

[cowboysrnumba1]

Whatever dude, we could argue this all day. I personally don't think Edwards is the type of WR whose a bad fit for anyone but that's just me.

[BishopRealTalk98]

Yes, stats aren't everything, but I don't think you can argue 1400 yards per season every time he plays more then 14 games. It doesn't really matter... if you're a WR pulling those #'ers consistently, then you're a #1 WR on 30-40% of the teams in the NFL.

I agree he needs other players around him to be successful, but that goes for almost every WR in the league.

But Giants run game, would open up Boldin's game. Just trying to think from a Giants fans point of view.

[BishopRealTalk98]

1200-1400*

[cowboysrnumba1]

Sorry. but he's just not a # 1 WR in my book. #1's need to be able to stretch the field and command a double team and he does neither. Guys like Boldin, Housh and Welker all are possession guys and guys who are just that aren't #1's. It's why I never considered Keyshawn a #1. I think they all very much benefit off of the better WR on each of their teams and they'd be exposed if they were the top WR on the team. People just don't realize how much attention a guy like Fitz gets freeing up Boldin.

[cowboysrnumba1]

It comes down to this...when I go into a game about to play a team, I look for that one guy who I think could absolutely kill us. THAT'S the guy I say we need to focus on.

Guy's like Fitz, Moss, etc. you NEED over the top safety help to contain them.

[cowboysrnumba1]

A guy like Boldin I'd feel very comfortable putting Newman on him all game. Of course he'd get his share of catches but nothing that will just break your back. Guy's that can be contained aren't #1's.

You leave a guy like Moss or Fitz 1 on 1 with even the best of CB's like T-New, sooner or later they will break your back with a huge play.

[BishopRealTalk98]

I believe if you play Boldin 1 on 1 with any CB, he'll brake you're back sooner or later in the game. He does...

Lets juss agree to disagree on this one..

[CowboyBill22]

Would you have considered Irvin a #1 receiver? He didn't stretch the field. Alvin Harper was the #1? He stretched the field. See my point?

Your argument is flawed, dude.

[cowboysrnumba1]

Are you serious with this Harper crap? lol...I didn't say that was the SOLE criteria if your a number 1 WR, but it is part of it. Harper's a bad comparision because he wasn't a complete WR so no he's not a #1 even though he could stretch the field deep.

Irvin-Boldin? LOL...Irvin was by no means a speed threat but speed is by no means the sole requisite to stretch a field, Plax isn't fast either but he stretches it deep because of his size.

[cowboysrnumba1]

I think you forget that Irvin was very physical and thus did demand double teams because of that. Irvin was a #1 through and through. To say a guy with an average of 16 ypc over his career didn't stretch a field is upsurd.

Irvin-Boldin again is really a bad comparison because Irvin caught his fair share of deep balls while being the only main WR threat on a team while Boldin rarely if ever does being 2nd fiddle to Fitz. The dude's physically limited.

[CowboyBill22]

Harper was the only deep threat Dallas had back then. Irvin made great runs after-the-catch but he rarely blew past anyone.

I forget NOTHING about that team.

[CowboyBill22]

Speed is absolutely required to stretch the field. It's the definition of stretching the field. My Harper comment was to make a point. Irvin was the possession receiver yet he was the #1 guy. Harper stretched the field and was the #2 guy. Whichever WR demands the most attention is the #1 guy...PERIOD.

That was my point.

[cowboysrnumba1]

So your saying Plaxico doesn't stretch the field attract a double team when running deep?

Speeds not required to stretch a field, if you have great height like Burress or B. Edwards you they demand over the top safety help. Neither of those guy are speedsters.

[CowboyBill22]

I didn't say anything about Plax. What I'm saying is you need to learn more about defenses and realize that stretching the field means making the field longer. Causing DB's to play deeper which absolutely requires a receiver to have SPEED. Demanding double coverage from the safety is not stretching the field. Plax and Edwards are both posession receivers. Posession receivers do NOT stretch the field. That doesn't mean they're not #1 WR's however.

[cowboysrnumba1]

You have absolutely no clue on what the term "field-stretcher" is. A field stretcher is somebody who draws over the top safety help thus stretching the field OR also called stretching defense and thus creating more space or room undereath (intermediate parts of the field) for the other WR's to get open because there's 1 less safety (he's upfield with the WR)

Ask anybody knowledgable on the game of football... if the WR doesn't command a double he's not a number 1.

[cowboysrnumba1]

Sorry, but I judge WR's by a higher standard than stats. Welker, Boldin, Housh all these guys are possession guys who don't demand double coverage and all benefit off of 1 on 1's because they play next to TRUE #1's who command the double.

And no, speed isn't required to stretch a field. If Plax or Edwards run a "go" teams HAVE to roll the safety to their side over top otherwise your taking a big gamble they'll beat the CB in a 1 on 1 using their great size.

[cowboysrnumba1]

Geesh...now I'm done debating the X's and O's of football. Peace.

[CowboyBill22]

So...you've managed to disagree with EVERYONE on this thread of comments yet you're the one who's right. Bullshit. I know football inside out. I fucking know what stretching the field means and you are WRONG in your interpretation ogf the term. I never said that a WR demanding double coverage wasn't a #1. DRAWING DOUBLE COVERAGE IS NOT STRETCHING THE FUCKING FIELD. They are NOT one in the same. You'll never hear anyone refer to a player with average speed as someone who stretches defenses. EVER

[CowboyBill22]

My question is why such in-depth discussion about who the fucking Giants need at receiver? I mean, go play on a Giants board for God sake.

[BishopRealTalk98]

Maybe cuzz there in our division, and there a huge threat in the NFC...