(jatko edelliselle ) aivan sen takia että suomi jätettäisiin oman onnensa nojaa jos sota sattuisi menemään huonosti. Ruotsista ei värvätty paljon jottei tulisi liikaa sota väsymystä hallinto alueille nämä näkee jo kuolleiden määrässä joita kuoli tuona aikana sodissa . käsittääkseni historiallisista asiakirjoista 10-15% maksimissaa ruotsalaisten osuus 30-vuotisessa sodassa suomalaiten huonompinakin aikoina 5-10% määrä kasvo sodan loppu lähennellen.
aika kummia nämä ruotsalaisten kommentit täällä on yleistä tietoa suurin osa ruotsin armeijasta oli palkkasotilaita 70-80% (ei siis ruotsalaisia), Ruottalaiset muodostivat hyvin pienen osan tästä armeijasta. Gustav II Adolf aikaa ruotsista paljon ei värvätty sotilaita sisäpoliittisistä syistä ja siitä Ratsutila toiminta oli jo lopuillaa ruotsissa kun suomessa se oli melkein pakollinen maatilallisille. Tuohon aikaa suomesta pysty värmäämään niin paljon kuin on mahdollista
lol, ofcourse Vikings weren't part of the Swedish history, Sweden didn't excist by then, allthough.. it's huge differences between a country's history and a history about the men living in that country.
lol, do u realize what ur saying? ur basicl saying that the parts russia took from finl during winterwar werent finnish before they took it, but they've always been russian. I mean ofcourse they were finnish before russian took em..
finns werent finns before suomi was made, they were swedish.
I'm confused.. Why are they called finnish warriors when Finland didn't even excist by the time? They weren't finnish they were Swedish? If a the Denmark king would've said "Oh look, a bunch of finnish hakkapelitas" noone would've understand cause they were Swedish and as I said Finland didn't excist. MAJOR FAIL in history..
@wepper5 The Hakkapelites were ethnic Finns who spoke Finnish, so of course we call them Finnish warriors, they are part of our history. And Finland did exist, not as a country but still as a county of the Swedish empire. You sir are a MAJOR FAIL in history.
@torhjelm Well of cource there was a part called "finland" used by the Swedes as a expression for that part of "S.W.E.D.E.N", many parts in sweden were called different names, as now. But that doesn't make in finnish history cause the country "finland" didn't excist, this was Swedish history. You don't say that Sweden fought other Swedish guys when they fought in Scania before they conquered it.. proud finns trying to steal the swedish history are gay.
@wepper5 You are a pathetic little tosser. This is OUR slice of history. It´s you who are stealing Finnish history by labeling them Swedes. We give Swedes credit for their input in WW2, so it´s only fair that we get credit for our contribution in the 30-years-war.
@torhjelm Also, Hakkapeliittas weren't anything special more than a poorer version of the original swedish cavalry.. They were trained with the same Swedish standard principals, they weared the same or worse equipment as typical swedish cavalry and they fought the same way as swedes and the most important one THEY WERE SWEDES. Not finns, even the name "finland" is Swedish.. haha, you guys. And what does "Suomi" mean? Sounds like a Russian folksong..
@wepper5 Failing troll is a failing troll. The Hakkapelites were renown elite troops. They left their mark in history, Germans even had a prayer for them. And yes, whether you like it or not, they were FINNS, so stop bastardizing our history. The fact they fought with poorer equipment only adds to their glory. Hmm, what´s wrong with Russian folksongs? Sure as hell beats wepper (fapper), haha.
@torhjelm Dude.. Are you saying they were better than the standard Swedish cavalry? Or are you saying they got famous cause they couldn't afford armor or talk proper Swedish?
They weren't better then any other regiment in Sweden, you know why? Cause they all fought the same.. Also, they weren't elite troops, they were standard regiments. The elite troops were the lifeguards. Also the name "Hakkapeliittas" was not used to express them, it later got invented.
@wepper5 The name Hakkapeliitta was not invented later, it derives from their war cry Hakkaa päälle, as everybody knows. A 17th century German prayer book
refers to them as haccapaelitorum, so it´s a proven fact they were known as Hakkapelites already back then.
@torhjelm as finns has swedish history, you gotta admit it, finns have swedish history. If you wouldve been born 200 years earlier, you wouldve been Swedish, living in the part of sweden called finland, that's the way it is.
@torhjelm or excuse me i made that one wrong, ofc finns were finns as stockholmare in sweden are stockholmare but they're swedish, as finns then were swedish, finland which that part of sweden was called wasnt made to a country until later, therefor, you cant say it's part of the "finnish" history as a country.. It's a part of the finnish peoples history but not as the country "finland". "skåne" in sweden was made sweden 1656, before that it was danish. nd swe ppl in ther has dnish history.
@wepper5 "therefor, you cant say it's part of the "finnish" history as a country.. It's a part of the finnish peoples history but not as the country "finland"."
Well of course.This is what I´ve been trying to tell all along! Nobody here has claimed this was Finnish history on a "country" level, Hakkapelites are history of the Finnish people. I respect Swedish history. We were part of it for 600 years. But we also have our own history within your history. Why can´t you allow us that?
@ZanH0 I can also refer to history and statistics, and say that countless bad things have happened because of religion, and are happening still today. Being religious is simply not smart but it's acceptable.
@tontsa911 yes, but if not used as fanatical excuse, religion is all right, and if people actually followed even some good orders from the bible, things would be better, imo.
@tupakki unohdit mainita Wittstockin taistelun, jossa Stålhandsken hakkapelliitat olivat ensimmäisenä James Kingin koukkausjoukoista vihollisen kimpussa.
"...Kesiarin kaljat se joi..." repesin noille laulusanoille.
"And in the thing you call hakkapelita was many difrent soldiers from germeny,skottland not only soldiers from sweden."
>This is a downright lie, and I am very happy to counter it. Hakkapeliitta had very specific regimental areas from which they were raised from, there is no possible way to distort that part of historical fact.
-While mercenaries from all over Europe did fight with Tre Kronor, They were not among the Hakkapeliitta regiments.
@ArmaFennica its not a fact you live in a dream. and all soldiers fighting in the sweden army whas schoold in the sweden war school. you have wwii be happy for that
>Hmh, nice argument there... I can provide more info, it means that I am going to have to visit the library.
"and all soldiers fighting in the sweden army whas schoold in the sweden war school."
>This claim is so far off, that it's not even amusing. Swedes did two to three drafts during those wars, Finns were beginning to run out of both men and horses.
-No Finn was trained where you claim they were. I CAN prove my words. Can you?
@drottweiler Reading the history of the "Great Sweden" and history of independend Finland, it makes me think about how great nation would be one nordic nation of Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark. With these countries good economy, education and tradionally and today strong armies, i would actually like it :D Ofcourse its just fictive nation of nordic, but still.
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som bäst var armén under karolinertiden,en elitarmé.hakkapeliterna var inte något elitförband som många finnar vill påstå,utan var likvärdiga med övrigt kavalleri.eliten har alltid varit livgardet.
loisto video. Pitää tehä esitelmä hakkapeliitoista nii tänne löysin. Tuli hyvin tietoa lisää.
Mielenkiinnosta halusin kattoa kaikki 137 kommenttia... ei ollu hyvä idea, oikeasti kunnon juntteja täällä jotkut, suurimmaksi osaksi ruotsalaisia lol =D.
Sweden has been fighting and winning their wars around the world using Finnish troops for 600 years. Fight until last man --> Fight until last Finn. Would there be a history of strong Sweden without Finnish brave soldiers.
Noahwig, how to put this to make you understand your own history....Caroleans (karoliner) were the Swedish army and all troops from Finland were part of Caroleans. See? Sweds have always belittled Finnish history and taken only credit. However Finns have been the most reliable soldiers for Caroliner. That sucks.
"Swedish Crusade"??? That´s just the old nationalistic version of history. That´s what they wrote in Erikskrönikan and the Götiska Sällskapet spread it during the 19th century, There never was any crusade. The Swedes went to fight against certain tribes in Finland (The Tavastians and the Carelians) every now and then because they were pagans and they harassed the christian Finns and Swedes living in Finland at the time. The Finns also needed help against the Russians.
@Agrikultur That propably would have been a Finn, who removed your stupid comment. Sweds block Finns from their "Viking" videos, which are full of crap what comes to our accomplishments, power and heritage in the East. Thanks tupakki.
i did'nt mean in the way that the swedish soldiers are bhind and finnish in front, i said in the FRONTS not in the front. And i supposed that becouse it's harder to get swedish soldiers to the russian border the it is to get finns.
That's true, at the russian front most of the soldiers probably were finnish, but i was talking about that some finns say most of the men in the ARMY were finnish.
You are wrong there. Käännyt nyt suomen kielen puoleen. Sodan alkuvaiheessakin katselmuksiin oli varattu Saksan sotaretkeä varten suomalaista jalkaväkeä noin 12 000 eli kok. jalkaväestä noin 40%, suomalaista ratsuväkeä 8 500 eli prosentuaalisesti saman verran kuin jalkaväkeä. Prosenttiosuudeltaan ainoastaan hieman pienempi kuin ruotsalaisten osuus. Sodan vaiheilla suomalaisen- ja ruotsalaisen jalkäväen osuus pieneni edelleen saksalaisten ja skottien ottaessa "valtaa".
Osuudet vaihtelivat taistelukohtaisesti melko suurestikin. Suomalaiset olivat todella tärkeässä asemassa koko sodan ajan. Suomen kärsimät kokonaistappiot olivat 30-vuotisessa sodassa 50 000 - 60 000 sotilasta. Ei Kustaa Aadolf turhaan verrannut Suomea kruununsa kirkkaimpaan jalokiveen. Se oli väärin, että pääasiassa koko sotasaalis sijoitettiin Ruotsiin, muutamaa pientä poikkeusta lukuunottamatta. Suomalaiset antoivat todella suuren panoksen niiden hankkimisessa.
Lützenin kaupungista löytyy Suomen lippu ja standaari, jossa on latinankielinen teksti: Finlandia gloriosi laboris olim consoris. Suomenettenuna se tarkoittaa: 30-vuotisessa sodassa ja sen voitoissa Suomen osuus oli yhtä suuri kuin Ruotsinkin.
Mikä olikaan kysymys johon vastasin? Mutta olet varmaan oikeassa, vaikka mielestäni muistankin lukeneeni suomalaisten sotilaiden olevan noin kolmasosan sadanviidenkymmenentuhannen miehen armeijasta. Jos se siis olisi totta, melkein jokainen saksaan lähetetty suomalainen sotilas olisi kuollut sodassa.
Sitä kommentoin kuin sanoit, että ruotsalaisten joukkojen osuus oli paljon suurempi kuin suomalaisten. Tämä ei itse asiassa pidä paikkaansa. Esim. sodan loppuvaiheilla suomalaisen ratsuväen osuus oli jopa suurempi kuin ruotsalaisen. Tuo 150 000 miehen armeija kyllä kuulostaa liian pieneltä. Tarkoitatko sodan kokonaismäärää? Ruotsalaisten ja suomalaisten yhteismäärää vai koko protestantti armeijan?
@tupakki Se oli varmaankin aika samansuuruista molemmilla puolilla Pohjanlahtea. Suomihan oli tuolloin käytännössä vain maantieteellinen käsite. Kuningasta tuskin kiinnosti mitä kieltä mokut puhuivat, kunhan taistelivat (toisin kuin jotkut yltiökansallismieliset väittävät). Ruotsi kyllä raapi aika tehokkaasti kansalaisensa armeijan palvelukseen, kun ottaa väkiluvun huomioon.
@tupakki youtubessa on kyllä aika erikoinen henki. Kaikki liioittelu ja vähättely on ihan maksimissaan ja ääri-ilmiöt on vallanneet palstatilaa, sanoisinko kohtuuttomasti. Suomalaisten merkitys (tuskin heitä mitenkään erikseen noteerattiin) oli kyllä suurimmillaan juuri 30-vuotisen sodan aikana koko Ruotsin ajasta ja sehän oli myös ratsuväen kulta-aikaa. Myöhemmin alkoi tykistön merkitys kasvaa.
Tuohon aikaan Suomeessa arvioitiin asuneen noin puoli miljoonaa ihmistä tai vähän sen päälle. Jos jaamme tuon uhrimäärän 30 vuodelle. Se on 2000 kaatunutta suomalaista per vuosi (tot. 60 000). Se on totta, että sukupuolijakauma vääristyi sodan vuoksi melko kovasti. Ei ainoastaan Suomessa, mutta myös Ruotsissa. En muista tarkkaa suhdetta. Suomi antoi väkilukuunsa nähden kovan panoksen.
@timppala I don't know about that, firstly, we didn't use only cavalry in war, but LOTS of infantry, especially in the 1600, we even had non finnic cavalries, "Caroleas" and they became famous for their deeds. And we had been winnign wars in 800, conquered russian settlements. hence your name of sweden and swedes= Routsin, men from roslagen, compare it with RUSSIA.
@NaneaAigee Swedish kingdom was not an ethnic state, it was not Swedish or Finnish or anything. Sweden became nationalistic country some time after loosing the Finland.
For example there were no official language (Swedish was used as office language) but any language were used when propriate.
@timppala I dont understand how finns disqus. Svear, goter, Götar, finns, karelians and tavastians built the country Sweden together side by side. There was no Finland or Sweden before, we built it together. Ofcourse finns aswell as swedes fought the wars. And no, there had not been a strong Sweden without finns, and there had not been a strong eastern Sweden without strong sweds
Varför kan finländarna inte historia? Hade vi inte hjälp dem under århundrandena hade det kallats västsibirien. Dom begriper inte att dom hade varit livegna ryssar utan oss. Utan den massiva hjälpen ifrån Sverige under andra världskriget, främst i form av materiel och diplomati hade det hetat finska ssr
Varför kan DU inte histori? Sveriges hjälp för oss var inte så betydande att de hade effetk för kriget. Men förstås vi er tacksam för hjälpet men det var inte så sluttilgit för oss.
There was no land called finland, because it was and still is "Suomi". And the swede's decided to create a new language just for us?? Suomen kieli, right? Wake up, dummy. Finnish happens to be one of the oldest languages in da world, you see. Not like the swedish, just another degenerated dialect of german.... EI helevetti te ruotsalaiset ootte tietämättömiä. Lue tämä kun kerran ootte keksineet kirjoitetun suomen... Herää pösilö.
Swedes really tried to kill the finnish language and make us speak swedish, but people didn't give a shit about it, and still 95 % of the population don't want to learn, speak or hear it spoken. I'm just glad we got rid of you already 200 yrs ago. I think I'll drink to that !! Tack o adjöö!
No kyllä noille ruotsin pelleille pitää yrittää opettaa totuutta vähä, on ne nii aivopestyjä väärällä propagandalla, niinku suomalaisetkin. Sääli sinänsä, mut satojen vuosien vääristelyä ei korjata hetkessä. Turhaahan tämä on mutta pittää yrittee...
Empä voisi olla enempää samaa mieltä kuin sinä. Jos suomalaiset olisivat aidosti olleet osa Ruotsia tasaveroisina, ei 1809 ero olisi ollut niin totaalinen.
Sulla on syy olla ylpeä! Mikset kirjoita ruotsiks vai suomeks. Cudgel War onko se Nuijasota? En osaa englantia niin hyvin enkä suomea myöskään mutta en oo koskaan puhunut siitä sodasta englanniksi. Minkä takia ne oti suomalaisia ratsuväelle? Eikö vielä ollut hienompaa olla ratsuväki kuin jalkaväki?
What else than a peasent rebellion could it be? All finns were peasents. And the soldiers that acted bad. Dont they act on orders? I mean if the goverment ordered them to stop mistreating them they sure would. But Finns has always been misreted by Swedes. All i meant with my other comment that Finland was never a natural part just as Uppland as they dident want to be a part of sweden and where so by force. wovaapeli u must be a suomenruotsalainen? those that still think they are a little better
Well, at that time there were already finns in the swedish army also. The leader of the rebellion, the first Cudgel War, was Jaakko Ilkka, a former soldier, and an ancestor of mine in a straight bloodline.
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Finland was a natural part of Sweden just like for instance Uppland??? jag tror nog inte dom var så nöjda att vara en del av sverige som uppland, Med län som såldes för Skatte rätt. eikö vänäjän aika ollut parempi teille suomalaisille? ne viimeiset sata vuodet. nuijasota alkoi varmasti sen takia että ruotsin hallitus oli niin hyvää. oliko parempi aikaisemmin?
Finland and it's history is rich and old. Other people like to talk about the Swedish and Russian eras, a short time in history in the area. They had their good and bad sides. Christianity e.g. has been forced on people violently all over and Finnish peasants suffered as much as Swedish peasants at the time.
You should talk about Götaland, Svealand, Norrland and Österlandet (Finland). Starting from year 1584 the term Grand Duchy of Finland was sporadically used even during the Swedish Empire.
The Cudgel War was a peasant rebellion against the soldiers, who were stationed in
Finland after the Russo-Swedish War of 1590-95. It started because these soldiers did not treat the local peasants correct. Therefore it was also a rebellion against Governor of Finland Klaus Fleming and King Sigismund.
Finland was allready Christian at the time of western Christianity (eastern influence). Are you trying to teach me our history? Finland is the area inhabited first in the North after the last ice age. What has not been here. Finnish maternal lines are the oldest in Northern-Europe U5 and population the oldest with the Sami and the Basque. Any other questions.
No, I don't know. Finns are 28% Central-European I1a (same origin than later "Germanic" tribes) and 60% N3. Hungarians speak Ugric language, by geneology Finns are more close to Dutch, Swedes, Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians than Hungarians.
Man ska ju komma ihåg att Finland var den östra rikshalvan, därför lika mycket svenskar som svenskarna i den västra rikshalvan. Hursomhelst så kan vi i Sverige och Finland vara stolta över vår historia. Lite synd att Finland har president och inte har den svenske kungen som statschef, på samma sätt som Canada, Australien, Nya Zeeland med fler har Drottning Elisabeth II som statschef.
? Yes. However Finn is a Finn and a Swede is a Swede whether he lives in Finland or in Sweden. Finns are not "svenskar" and the spoken language does not change the fact. Tens of thousands of years of history and you talk about 500 of years. Strange view but ok.
Well to be fair if you gonna reason like that no one is anything, cause Finland came to be Swedish at the same time Sweden came to be Sweden, before that Finland wasn't anything except nomansland. Finland was a natural part of Sweden just like for instance Uppland. So I'm sorry but you can't look at it the way you do cause then nothing is ever in context.
Well to be fair if you gonna reason like that Sweden has been even more nomansland than Finland. After all Finland has been inhabited first, even Gothland was inhabited from Finland. Finland partly due to historical ties was naturally linked to Sweden under the same King's rule. Does that make Finland Swedish, no it does not. A short time in history.
Well we can't talk about a time before the term "Nation" existed in this corner of the earth, yes Sweden was also a nomansland. So a couple of "dudes" from the west side of the baltic went to the east side of the baltic and said "Hey we can joint these" and there you go the joined under one king and one name. before they were nothing now they are something.
You can't ignore the fact that Finland, didn't exist and It was Swedish (in terms of nations) 600 years before it ever became Finnish.
Are you ok. Nobody is ignoring anything. History is history. Finland i.e. Suomi as a nation is as young or old as Sweden. It has nothing to with the existence. Does it. Finns have never been Swedes. Why. Because they are culturally, linguistically, historically, genolocially Finns still today. It is true that Sweden and Finland were under the same King's rule due to ancient ties, trade and spread of Christianity from the West.
Finland became swedish during swedish crusades in the 11th and 12th century. Finland was considered under swedish rule between 1249-1809. Actually the evolvement of Finland is a little alike the one of Lithuania. During the Swedish rule swedish became the language of the higher classes and on the coasts. You can't argue that Finland has tens of thousands of years of history. What doesn't. Every country is a constitution. Nothing that has always been.
Finland has been Finland and Sweden has been Sweden. "Crusades" relate to spread of Christianisation and formation of early nations in the North, however Finland was Christian in the beginning of the 1st millenium allready. Finnish, Old Norse, Latin. Old Norse has been in use in Finland also. Swedish in Finland and Finnish in Sweden later on.
Before Sweden came Finland as a nation wasn't even thought of. While Sweden united, finland was extremely backwards. All major towns in finland, well almost, has been ordered by swedes. But the thing still contains. During this age Finland and Sweden were all together considered as Sweden. It's quite sad that you Finns really don't understand what Sweden has done for you. Without Sweden, you would have been seized by another country. Your neighbors were too far ahead in every field.
You also should remember that modern Finns have never been in the western influence of Sweden. Actually most of it. What Sweden has done is that they used Christianity as an excuse to spread influence and steal. Pretty much the same everywhere. Finland had straight cultural contacts elsewhere and language was latin. Not Swedish.
The thing is. If the country had been called Sweden-Finland instead of just Sweden. Then i would be able to agree with you. But facts is that Finland as a nation, began to rise after 1809 when russia took you. So Finland is and will always be a young nation. 92 years of freedom, aye?
That all is mumbojambo. There was no Sweden either. There were Tavastians, Svear, Götar, Karelians and so on. Culture is culture, Jesus Christ is not frontwards compared to paganism. Formation of modern nations, administration, laws, church later on might be. Your knowledge of Suomi is as little as your small brain can comprehend.
You can think whatever you want. Finland has everything to thank Sweden for. Also i have pretty strong bonds with Finland on both a personal and historical level. I on a historical level still consider Finland as equal to Sweden and preferably as a brothers nation. And on a personal level as i am part finnish myself.
wake up, brother. Hadn't Finland gotten rid of swe rule, the oppression of sveden would've continued as a darkness covering the land. Russian rule gave us autonomy. That pretty much says it all. What does that tell about your cuntry? Sweedes like to think they are the saviors of the world, but it's a load of BS. Also swe didn't allow british volunteers to pass thru when they were gonna come and fight with us against the ruskis. And don't call yourself a finn, what a joke.
We built up your land. We defended it with our lives for century after century with our own blood. And many thousands of Swedish volunteers came to finland to fight against the russians. We let german trains pass our territory that sent troops and material to finland and northern norway to battle the russians.
And we don't consider ourselves saviors of the world, just the saviors of the reformation and Finland which we considered as much part of Sweden as Sweden itself.
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I think you shouldn't call yourself a finn karzonizki. Sweden and Finland have a lot in common and the culture of Finland is basically the same as in Sweden. Everything good in Finland has mainly come from Sweden and everything bad from the east. There was no country called "Finland" when Finland was part of Sweden it was just a province called "Österland", same as Skåne or Norrland. Without swedes there wouldn't even be finnish language. It was the swedes who created written finnish language.
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Haha, it was Michael Agricola. But in my eyes I dont rispect Sweden they always take honour to themselves. Who fighted against russians to protect scandinavia from the beast. WE HAVE ALWAYS FOUGHT THE SCANDINAVIA WARS. IM JUST SO SICK OF IT. FUCK TO SWEDEN, FUCK TO NORWAY, FUCK TO DENMARK. AND THESE DAYS SWEDEN ISNT BETTER THAN FINLAND. SWEDEN IS FULL OF FOREIGN PEOPLE. WHAT IS WORLDS SMALLEST BOOK? ITS BOOK OF SWEDISH WAR HEROES.
Finland was mainly a source of taxes, raw materials and men for all the stupid wars of sve. your just trying to redeem yourself for leaving your own country. Besides, the finnish history was written by the conquerer,sverige, so it's all twisted and wrong. I have nothing to be thankfull of sweden for. Or maybe one thing, old volvos are great!
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It saddens me to see that todays finnish can't see the truth. What a twisted and corrupt people you have become. How could that happen. We swedes became so great.
The predominant fear of fighting against Hakkapelitas probably enhanced their success in battle. They were feared 'cause they acted differently in battle than most armies, e.g. they faught silently which was considered eerie. And as the rumors and tales spread, they were soon accused of witchcraft, which again enhanced more fear. So what I'm getting to is that the success was more devastating because of the enemy's low morale,as we all know, high fighting morale is the greatest of weapons in war
Sverige är format av 4 folk, Svear från Svealand som tidigare hade haft starka band med Finnarna, Gotlänningarna och Götarna som hade mer influenser från kontinenten och de andra vikinganationerna och Finnar som motsatt av vad de flesta tror var de som stod svearna närmast av alla folk inom riket tack vare århundraden av handel, medans götarna oftast hade varit bittra fiender, Svearna och Finnarna slogs också förenade mot det ryska hotet ett flertal gånger innan föreningen.
hyvä video
jackwerner 1 month ago
(jatko edelliselle ) aivan sen takia että suomi jätettäisiin oman onnensa nojaa jos sota sattuisi menemään huonosti. Ruotsista ei värvätty paljon jottei tulisi liikaa sota väsymystä hallinto alueille nämä näkee jo kuolleiden määrässä joita kuoli tuona aikana sodissa . käsittääkseni historiallisista asiakirjoista 10-15% maksimissaa ruotsalaisten osuus 30-vuotisessa sodassa suomalaiten huonompinakin aikoina 5-10% määrä kasvo sodan loppu lähennellen.
jackwerner 1 month ago
aika kummia nämä ruotsalaisten kommentit täällä on yleistä tietoa suurin osa ruotsin armeijasta oli palkkasotilaita 70-80% (ei siis ruotsalaisia), Ruottalaiset muodostivat hyvin pienen osan tästä armeijasta. Gustav II Adolf aikaa ruotsista paljon ei värvätty sotilaita sisäpoliittisistä syistä ja siitä Ratsutila toiminta oli jo lopuillaa ruotsissa kun suomessa se oli melkein pakollinen maatilallisille. Tuohon aikaa suomesta pysty värmäämään niin paljon kuin on mahdollista
jackwerner 1 month ago
Gustav II Adolf body wasnt stolen, it was found trampled under a pile of bodies after the battle by a swedish troop.
his elk-hide armor was looted from his corpse by some catholic germans though, and later returned to Sweden.
Borin81 2 months ago
lol, ofcourse Vikings weren't part of the Swedish history, Sweden didn't excist by then, allthough.. it's huge differences between a country's history and a history about the men living in that country.
lol, do u realize what ur saying? ur basicl saying that the parts russia took from finl during winterwar werent finnish before they took it, but they've always been russian. I mean ofcourse they were finnish before russian took em..
finns werent finns before suomi was made, they were swedish.
wepper5 2 months ago
I'm confused.. Why are they called finnish warriors when Finland didn't even excist by the time? They weren't finnish they were Swedish? If a the Denmark king would've said "Oh look, a bunch of finnish hakkapelitas" noone would've understand cause they were Swedish and as I said Finland didn't excist. MAJOR FAIL in history..
wepper5 3 months ago
@wepper5 The Hakkapelites were ethnic Finns who spoke Finnish, so of course we call them Finnish warriors, they are part of our history. And Finland did exist, not as a country but still as a county of the Swedish empire. You sir are a MAJOR FAIL in history.
torhjelm 2 months ago
@torhjelm Well of cource there was a part called "finland" used by the Swedes as a expression for that part of "S.W.E.D.E.N", many parts in sweden were called different names, as now. But that doesn't make in finnish history cause the country "finland" didn't excist, this was Swedish history. You don't say that Sweden fought other Swedish guys when they fought in Scania before they conquered it.. proud finns trying to steal the swedish history are gay.
wepper5 2 months ago
@wepper5 You are a pathetic little tosser. This is OUR slice of history. It´s you who are stealing Finnish history by labeling them Swedes. We give Swedes credit for their input in WW2, so it´s only fair that we get credit for our contribution in the 30-years-war.
torhjelm 2 months ago
@torhjelm Also, Hakkapeliittas weren't anything special more than a poorer version of the original swedish cavalry.. They were trained with the same Swedish standard principals, they weared the same or worse equipment as typical swedish cavalry and they fought the same way as swedes and the most important one THEY WERE SWEDES. Not finns, even the name "finland" is Swedish.. haha, you guys. And what does "Suomi" mean? Sounds like a Russian folksong..
wepper5 2 months ago
@wepper5 Failing troll is a failing troll. The Hakkapelites were renown elite troops. They left their mark in history, Germans even had a prayer for them. And yes, whether you like it or not, they were FINNS, so stop bastardizing our history. The fact they fought with poorer equipment only adds to their glory. Hmm, what´s wrong with Russian folksongs? Sure as hell beats wepper (fapper), haha.
torhjelm 2 months ago
@torhjelm Dude.. Are you saying they were better than the standard Swedish cavalry? Or are you saying they got famous cause they couldn't afford armor or talk proper Swedish?
They weren't better then any other regiment in Sweden, you know why? Cause they all fought the same.. Also, they weren't elite troops, they were standard regiments. The elite troops were the lifeguards. Also the name "Hakkapeliittas" was not used to express them, it later got invented.
wepper5 2 months ago
@torhjelm May I ask you some questions? Good.. What country did the nowdays finns belong to during this time?
Were finland an own country? A commonwealth or was it simply a part of Sweden?
Why do you think they were better than the Swedish cavalry? The "Hakkapeliittas"?
For how long have "Finland" been finnish? and for how long was the part of finland "Swedish"?
wepper5 2 months ago
@wepper5 The name Hakkapeliitta was not invented later, it derives from their war cry Hakkaa päälle, as everybody knows. A 17th century German prayer book
refers to them as haccapaelitorum, so it´s a proven fact they were known as Hakkapelites already back then.
torhjelm 2 months ago
@torhjelm as finns has swedish history, you gotta admit it, finns have swedish history. If you wouldve been born 200 years earlier, you wouldve been Swedish, living in the part of sweden called finland, that's the way it is.
wepper5 2 months ago
@wepper5 Who gives a rat´s ass what kind of societal structure employed them, fact is these soldiers were and always will be Finnish.
If we follow your logic, Swedes don´t have viking history at all. Varangian guard is Greek history and Gardarike is Russian history, so there.
torhjelm 2 months ago
@torhjelm or excuse me i made that one wrong, ofc finns were finns as stockholmare in sweden are stockholmare but they're swedish, as finns then were swedish, finland which that part of sweden was called wasnt made to a country until later, therefor, you cant say it's part of the "finnish" history as a country.. It's a part of the finnish peoples history but not as the country "finland". "skåne" in sweden was made sweden 1656, before that it was danish. nd swe ppl in ther has dnish history.
wepper5 2 months ago
@wepper5 "therefor, you cant say it's part of the "finnish" history as a country.. It's a part of the finnish peoples history but not as the country "finland"."
Well of course.This is what I´ve been trying to tell all along! Nobody here has claimed this was Finnish history on a "country" level, Hakkapelites are history of the Finnish people. I respect Swedish history. We were part of it for 600 years. But we also have our own history within your history. Why can´t you allow us that?
torhjelm 2 months ago
0:21 what does novgorod and moscow have anything to do with that cavalry? when you're talking about swedish victories in germany...
MagicMutilator6000 3 months ago
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Hakka pelle!
IcyViking 3 months ago
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IcyViking 3 months ago
Ruotsalaisia emme ole. Venäläisiksi emme halua. olkamme siis SUUOMALAISIA.
fclk69 5 months ago
Glory to finnish lutherans!!!!!!! From lutheran brother in Slovakia!!!!
eljadro 8 months ago 4
@eljadro Most people in Finland are lutheran only in paper and atheist in reality.
tontsa911 8 months ago
@tontsa911 It is sad.
eljadro 8 months ago
@eljadro No, religions are sad thing for humanity.
tontsa911 8 months ago
@tontsa911 For some reasons you are right. But don´t take my comment bad I wanted to show my respect.
eljadro 8 months ago
@tontsa911 you can say for yourself.
ZanH0 4 months ago
@ZanH0 I can also refer to history and statistics, and say that countless bad things have happened because of religion, and are happening still today. Being religious is simply not smart but it's acceptable.
tontsa911 4 months ago
@tontsa911 yes, but if not used as fanatical excuse, religion is all right, and if people actually followed even some good orders from the bible, things would be better, imo.
ZanH0 4 months ago
HAKKAA PÄÄLLE POHJAN POIKA!!!
DemonosSilvast 10 months ago 6
mikähä on tämä musiikki?
wowrunner1 1 year ago
@tupakki unohdit mainita Wittstockin taistelun, jossa Stålhandsken hakkapelliitat olivat ensimmäisenä James Kingin koukkausjoukoista vihollisen kimpussa.
"...Kesiarin kaljat se joi..." repesin noille laulusanoille.
exalted40000 1 year ago
HAKKAA PÄÄLLE POHJAN POIKA! :D
cerene11 1 year ago 5
Our leader Torsten Stålhandske was the best commander in the Thirty Years' War.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
@ss90ss444 he whas good but not the best johan baner and Lennart Torstenson was the best commanders
metalviking 1 year ago
long live sweden and long live finland NORDEN FTW :D
gamer5274 1 year ago 2
why cant the finnish and swedish film makers make some sort of revenge against the russian movie poltava? would be very great!!!!
xganger2 1 year ago 4
finnish hakkapelita swedish army elite soldiers!!
drottweiler 2 years ago 46
Hakkaa päälle pohjan poika
Hugg pä dem, nordpojke
Mainilanlaukaisija 2 years ago 4
@drottweiler there whas no finland at that time whit out sweden you be russian slaves
metalviking 1 year ago
@metalviking Finland was a part of Russia AFTER it was a part of Sweden. and we still are not slaves under anyone and got rid of you both.
MrObetron 1 year ago
@MrObetron but if the parts of sweden ho is finland to day was russian from the begining 1200-1300,
no hakkapelita only slavs under russia just like other parts of europ.
And in the thing you call hakkapelita was many difrent soldiers from germeny,skottland not only soldiers from sweden.
metalviking 1 year ago
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@metalviking
"but if the parts of sweden ho is finland to day was russian from the begining 1200-1300,"
>I am guessing that you claim that parts of modern era Finland were in Russian ownership in the 1200-1300's?
-Well, Karelian tribal kingdom was fiefdom to Novgorod, but NOT to Russia.
"no hakkapelita only slavs under russia just like other parts of europ."
>In this, you likely try to claim that Hakkapeliitta troops were somehow Slavic in origin???
ArmaFennica 1 year ago
@metalviking
"And in the thing you call hakkapelita was many difrent soldiers from germeny,skottland not only soldiers from sweden."
>This is a downright lie, and I am very happy to counter it. Hakkapeliitta had very specific regimental areas from which they were raised from, there is no possible way to distort that part of historical fact.
-While mercenaries from all over Europe did fight with Tre Kronor, They were not among the Hakkapeliitta regiments.
ArmaFennica 1 year ago
@ArmaFennica its not a fact you live in a dream. and all soldiers fighting in the sweden army whas schoold in the sweden war school. you have wwii be happy for that
metalviking 1 year ago
@metalviking
"its not a fact you live in a dream."
>Hmh, nice argument there... I can provide more info, it means that I am going to have to visit the library.
"and all soldiers fighting in the sweden army whas schoold in the sweden war school."
>This claim is so far off, that it's not even amusing. Swedes did two to three drafts during those wars, Finns were beginning to run out of both men and horses.
-No Finn was trained where you claim they were. I CAN prove my words. Can you?
ArmaFennica 1 year ago
@ArmaFennica yes its whas no diffrens betwen soldiers from west sweden ore east sweden.
you behave like a patriotic Amerikan just dont whant to see the fackts.
metalviking 11 months ago
@drottweiler no stupid
metalviking 1 year ago
@drottweiler Reading the history of the "Great Sweden" and history of independend Finland, it makes me think about how great nation would be one nordic nation of Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark. With these countries good economy, education and tradionally and today strong armies, i would actually like it :D Ofcourse its just fictive nation of nordic, but still.
TheQneb 10 months ago 5
@drottweiler Not at all. The elite was "drabanterna" or "livgardet".
kronan11 9 months ago
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I have heard that it was a Finnish bullet that killed Gustav?! But nothings proven.. Coud been a Swedish bullet as well.. --Friendly fire any way--
To bad that Sweden an Finland isent "one country to day" whoud rock big time :P
s4fe 2 years ago
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som bäst var armén under karolinertiden,en elitarmé.hakkapeliterna var inte något elitförband som många finnar vill påstå,utan var likvärdiga med övrigt kavalleri.eliten har alltid varit livgardet.
kronan11 2 years ago
loisto video. Pitää tehä esitelmä hakkapeliitoista nii tänne löysin. Tuli hyvin tietoa lisää.
Mielenkiinnosta halusin kattoa kaikki 137 kommenttia... ei ollu hyvä idea, oikeasti kunnon juntteja täällä jotkut, suurimmaksi osaksi ruotsalaisia lol =D.
Faveen meni. Kiitos
t0nin0t 2 years ago 4
Sweden has been fighting and winning their wars around the world using Finnish troops for 600 years. Fight until last man --> Fight until last Finn. Would there be a history of strong Sweden without Finnish brave soldiers.
timppala 2 years ago 39
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Noahwig 2 years ago
Noahwig, how to put this to make you understand your own history....Caroleans (karoliner) were the Swedish army and all troops from Finland were part of Caroleans. See? Sweds have always belittled Finnish history and taken only credit. However Finns have been the most reliable soldiers for Caroliner. That sucks.
timppala 2 years ago
finns soldiers was good soldiers but not better then swedish. most of the finnish soldiers in the swedish army was in cavalry regemente
mattegunnar 2 years ago 5
It was the same country, ever since the Swedish ''Crusade'' in the 12th century
Agrikultur 2 years ago
"Swedish Crusade"??? That´s just the old nationalistic version of history. That´s what they wrote in Erikskrönikan and the Götiska Sällskapet spread it during the 19th century, There never was any crusade. The Swedes went to fight against certain tribes in Finland (The Tavastians and the Carelians) every now and then because they were pagans and they harassed the christian Finns and Swedes living in Finland at the time. The Finns also needed help against the Russians.
pirunvasara666 2 years ago
You clearly didn't understand why i wrote ''crusade'' with the ''.
Agrikultur 2 years ago 2
Oh, sorry! I didn´t notice.
pirunvasara666 2 years ago
Swedish Crusade is when you go buy some mjölk and ost.
no16na39 2 years ago
Fuck you! And some idiot removed the original comment.
Agrikultur 2 years ago
@Agrikultur That propably would have been a Finn, who removed your stupid comment. Sweds block Finns from their "Viking" videos, which are full of crap what comes to our accomplishments, power and heritage in the East. Thanks tupakki.
no16na39 2 years ago
It most definitely was a finn, but if wasn't offensive against Finland or anything so i can't see why.
Agrikultur 2 years ago
they just can´t handle the truth...hehe
kronan11 2 years ago
And what "truth" might you be talking about?
pirunvasara666 2 years ago
@pirunvasara666
och hur i helvete ska jag komma ihåg vad jag svarade på? möööhöhöhö
kronan11 2 years ago
About what comment you are talking about?
tupakki 2 years ago
I don't recall what it stated, it wasn't important, sorry.
Agrikultur 2 years ago
They were, and caroleans came (almost) a century later.
Agrikultur 2 years ago
yes i know, was it in 1709?
Noahwig 2 years ago
The Hakkapeliit were mostly used 1580-1650. And the Caroleans are most known for their service under Karl XII 1700-1718,
but also his father Karl XI 1670-1697.
Agrikultur 2 years ago 2
No :) Hail Risto Ryti!
Tonzai2002 2 years ago 3
most of the soldiers were form sweden and finland but also from germany and Estland
mattegunnar 2 years ago 3
Swedes weren't ''fags'', and there was more swedes then finns, hence there was more swedes in the army.
To answer you... it's not impossible.
Agrikultur 2 years ago
the generals almost always were swedes but there was more finnish soldiers in the fronts against russia i would suppose
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
hahaha lol why do you whant to say that finnish guys where in the front?
thats like saying yeah sweden sacrefict your girlfrend so that the swedish girlfreind would live?!
Norrahammarbyhamnen 2 years ago
i did'nt mean in the way that the swedish soldiers are bhind and finnish in front, i said in the FRONTS not in the front. And i supposed that becouse it's harder to get swedish soldiers to the russian border the it is to get finns.
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
That's true, at the russian front most of the soldiers probably were finnish, but i was talking about that some finns say most of the men in the ARMY were finnish.
Agrikultur 2 years ago
there were alot more of swedes in those times then there were finns so absolutely.
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
You are wrong there. Käännyt nyt suomen kielen puoleen. Sodan alkuvaiheessakin katselmuksiin oli varattu Saksan sotaretkeä varten suomalaista jalkaväkeä noin 12 000 eli kok. jalkaväestä noin 40%, suomalaista ratsuväkeä 8 500 eli prosentuaalisesti saman verran kuin jalkaväkeä. Prosenttiosuudeltaan ainoastaan hieman pienempi kuin ruotsalaisten osuus. Sodan vaiheilla suomalaisen- ja ruotsalaisen jalkäväen osuus pieneni edelleen saksalaisten ja skottien ottaessa "valtaa".
tupakki 2 years ago
Osuudet vaihtelivat taistelukohtaisesti melko suurestikin. Suomalaiset olivat todella tärkeässä asemassa koko sodan ajan. Suomen kärsimät kokonaistappiot olivat 30-vuotisessa sodassa 50 000 - 60 000 sotilasta. Ei Kustaa Aadolf turhaan verrannut Suomea kruununsa kirkkaimpaan jalokiveen. Se oli väärin, että pääasiassa koko sotasaalis sijoitettiin Ruotsiin, muutamaa pientä poikkeusta lukuunottamatta. Suomalaiset antoivat todella suuren panoksen niiden hankkimisessa.
tupakki 2 years ago
Lützenin kaupungista löytyy Suomen lippu ja standaari, jossa on latinankielinen teksti: Finlandia gloriosi laboris olim consoris. Suomenettenuna se tarkoittaa: 30-vuotisessa sodassa ja sen voitoissa Suomen osuus oli yhtä suuri kuin Ruotsinkin.
tupakki 2 years ago
Mikä olikaan kysymys johon vastasin? Mutta olet varmaan oikeassa, vaikka mielestäni muistankin lukeneeni suomalaisten sotilaiden olevan noin kolmasosan sadanviidenkymmenentuhannen miehen armeijasta. Jos se siis olisi totta, melkein jokainen saksaan lähetetty suomalainen sotilas olisi kuollut sodassa.
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
Sitä kommentoin kuin sanoit, että ruotsalaisten joukkojen osuus oli paljon suurempi kuin suomalaisten. Tämä ei itse asiassa pidä paikkaansa. Esim. sodan loppuvaiheilla suomalaisen ratsuväen osuus oli jopa suurempi kuin ruotsalaisen. Tuo 150 000 miehen armeija kyllä kuulostaa liian pieneltä. Tarkoitatko sodan kokonaismäärää? Ruotsalaisten ja suomalaisten yhteismäärää vai koko protestantti armeijan?
tupakki 2 years ago
@tupakki Se oli varmaankin aika samansuuruista molemmilla puolilla Pohjanlahtea. Suomihan oli tuolloin käytännössä vain maantieteellinen käsite. Kuningasta tuskin kiinnosti mitä kieltä mokut puhuivat, kunhan taistelivat (toisin kuin jotkut yltiökansallismieliset väittävät). Ruotsi kyllä raapi aika tehokkaasti kansalaisensa armeijan palvelukseen, kun ottaa väkiluvun huomioon.
Mainilanlaukaisija 1 year ago
Niinhän se käytännössä meni. Tässä oli kysymyksessä sellainen tilanne, jossa vähäteltiin Suomen panosta.
tupakki 1 year ago
@tupakki youtubessa on kyllä aika erikoinen henki. Kaikki liioittelu ja vähättely on ihan maksimissaan ja ääri-ilmiöt on vallanneet palstatilaa, sanoisinko kohtuuttomasti. Suomalaisten merkitys (tuskin heitä mitenkään erikseen noteerattiin) oli kyllä suurimmillaan juuri 30-vuotisen sodan aikana koko Ruotsin ajasta ja sehän oli myös ratsuväen kulta-aikaa. Myöhemmin alkoi tykistön merkitys kasvaa.
Mainilanlaukaisija 1 year ago
jossain väitettiin ruotsin armeijan olleen 150.000 miestä kooltaan.
jaskamakkara 2 years ago
Selvä. Hankala sanoa, mitä tuolla luvulla on tarkoitettu.
tupakki 2 years ago
ja eikö 50.000 olisi ollut kokonainen sukupolvi 1600-luvun suomessa?
jaskamakkara 1 year ago
Tuohon aikaan Suomeessa arvioitiin asuneen noin puoli miljoonaa ihmistä tai vähän sen päälle. Jos jaamme tuon uhrimäärän 30 vuodelle. Se on 2000 kaatunutta suomalaista per vuosi (tot. 60 000). Se on totta, että sukupuolijakauma vääristyi sodan vuoksi melko kovasti. Ei ainoastaan Suomessa, mutta myös Ruotsissa. En muista tarkkaa suhdetta. Suomi antoi väkilukuunsa nähden kovan panoksen.
tupakki 1 year ago
@timppala I don't know about that, firstly, we didn't use only cavalry in war, but LOTS of infantry, especially in the 1600, we even had non finnic cavalries, "Caroleas" and they became famous for their deeds. And we had been winnign wars in 800, conquered russian settlements. hence your name of sweden and swedes= Routsin, men from roslagen, compare it with RUSSIA.
Imhornydadcomeinside 1 year ago
@timppala Yes it would still be strong, remember that we conquered you in the first place. You lost.
Imhornydadcomeinside 1 year ago
@timppala I understand what you mean but i'm pretty sure there where some swedes fighting during thus 600 years aswell.
swedo88 1 year ago
@timppala
Two things makes this statment bullshit.
1. Swedes died too. In quite large numbers. That Swedsh generals/kings used finnihs troops as cannon fodder is just not true.
2. Finland was a part of Sweden, just like Västergötland or Smålandl. You were never occupied. You were swedes.
You are not swedes anymore, but I still consider you my brothers.
NaneaAigee 1 year ago 4
@NaneaAigee Swedish kingdom was not an ethnic state, it was not Swedish or Finnish or anything. Sweden became nationalistic country some time after loosing the Finland.
For example there were no official language (Swedish was used as office language) but any language were used when propriate.
niilomio 1 year ago
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@timppala haha god joke there whas no finlad at that time whit out sweden you be russian slaves.
metalviking 1 year ago
@timppala no stupid!
metalviking 1 year ago
@timppala Which is also one of the reasons we detest war so much nowadays.
freedomthrough 10 months ago
@timppala I dont understand how finns disqus. Svear, goter, Götar, finns, karelians and tavastians built the country Sweden together side by side. There was no Finland or Sweden before, we built it together. Ofcourse finns aswell as swedes fought the wars. And no, there had not been a strong Sweden without finns, and there had not been a strong eastern Sweden without strong sweds
kronan11 9 months ago 11
Varför kan finländarna inte historia? Hade vi inte hjälp dem under århundrandena hade det kallats västsibirien. Dom begriper inte att dom hade varit livegna ryssar utan oss. Utan den massiva hjälpen ifrån Sverige under andra världskriget, främst i form av materiel och diplomati hade det hetat finska ssr
MrHerrKarl 2 years ago
Läsa bökker, Svenska Nisse. Hehe heh
timppala 2 years ago
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SatsumaFIN 2 years ago
Varför kan DU inte histori? Sveriges hjälp för oss var inte så betydande att de hade effetk för kriget. Men förstås vi er tacksam för hjälpet men det var inte så sluttilgit för oss.
civ81 2 years ago
hakkapelitat oli ensimmäisii mun suvus, sen takii mun sukunimi on friman
muhameman 2 years ago
There was no land called finland, because it was and still is "Suomi". And the swede's decided to create a new language just for us?? Suomen kieli, right? Wake up, dummy. Finnish happens to be one of the oldest languages in da world, you see. Not like the swedish, just another degenerated dialect of german.... EI helevetti te ruotsalaiset ootte tietämättömiä. Lue tämä kun kerran ootte keksineet kirjoitetun suomen... Herää pösilö.
karzonizki 2 years ago
Swedes really tried to kill the finnish language and make us speak swedish, but people didn't give a shit about it, and still 95 % of the population don't want to learn, speak or hear it spoken. I'm just glad we got rid of you already 200 yrs ago. I think I'll drink to that !! Tack o adjöö!
karzonizki 2 years ago
... to Russia, who tried to do the same thing if I'm not mistaken.
But yeah, I'm thankful for the Finnish. (=
Morneion 2 years ago 4
Kyllä työ jaksatta vaahota.
LapinPete 2 years ago 3
No kyllä noille ruotsin pelleille pitää yrittää opettaa totuutta vähä, on ne nii aivopestyjä väärällä propagandalla, niinku suomalaisetkin. Sääli sinänsä, mut satojen vuosien vääristelyä ei korjata hetkessä. Turhaahan tämä on mutta pittää yrittee...
karzonizki 2 years ago
Empä voisi olla enempää samaa mieltä kuin sinä. Jos suomalaiset olisivat aidosti olleet osa Ruotsia tasaveroisina, ei 1809 ero olisi ollut niin totaalinen.
civ81 2 years ago
LapinPete; jep, hyvä kommentti - ei voinut muuta kuin nauraa...
wovaapeli 2 years ago
On a plate. Heh heh.
no16na39 2 years ago
And btw. Your "crusades" ended pretty bad before they even began (never did). I can count you the first 3 heads of "Swedish" bishops around here.
no16na39 2 years ago
Sulla on syy olla ylpeä! Mikset kirjoita ruotsiks vai suomeks. Cudgel War onko se Nuijasota? En osaa englantia niin hyvin enkä suomea myöskään mutta en oo koskaan puhunut siitä sodasta englanniksi. Minkä takia ne oti suomalaisia ratsuväelle? Eikö vielä ollut hienompaa olla ratsuväki kuin jalkaväki?
En tiedä mitään tästä, haluan vain tiettää.
erikandreasnilsson 2 years ago
What else than a peasent rebellion could it be? All finns were peasents. And the soldiers that acted bad. Dont they act on orders? I mean if the goverment ordered them to stop mistreating them they sure would. But Finns has always been misreted by Swedes. All i meant with my other comment that Finland was never a natural part just as Uppland as they dident want to be a part of sweden and where so by force. wovaapeli u must be a suomenruotsalainen? those that still think they are a little better
erikandreasnilsson 2 years ago
Well, at that time there were already finns in the swedish army also. The leader of the rebellion, the first Cudgel War, was Jaakko Ilkka, a former soldier, and an ancestor of mine in a straight bloodline.
I am a finnish speaking finn.
wovaapeli 2 years ago
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Finland was a natural part of Sweden just like for instance Uppland??? jag tror nog inte dom var så nöjda att vara en del av sverige som uppland, Med län som såldes för Skatte rätt. eikö vänäjän aika ollut parempi teille suomalaisille? ne viimeiset sata vuodet. nuijasota alkoi varmasti sen takia että ruotsin hallitus oli niin hyvää. oliko parempi aikaisemmin?
erikandreasnilsson 2 years ago
Finland and it's history is rich and old. Other people like to talk about the Swedish and Russian eras, a short time in history in the area. They had their good and bad sides. Christianity e.g. has been forced on people violently all over and Finnish peasants suffered as much as Swedish peasants at the time.
metkuli 2 years ago 5
You should talk about Götaland, Svealand, Norrland and Österlandet (Finland). Starting from year 1584 the term Grand Duchy of Finland was sporadically used even during the Swedish Empire.
The Cudgel War was a peasant rebellion against the soldiers, who were stationed in
Finland after the Russo-Swedish War of 1590-95. It started because these soldiers did not treat the local peasants correct. Therefore it was also a rebellion against Governor of Finland Klaus Fleming and King Sigismund.
wovaapeli 2 years ago
Finland was allready Christian at the time of western Christianity (eastern influence). Are you trying to teach me our history? Finland is the area inhabited first in the North after the last ice age. What has not been here. Finnish maternal lines are the oldest in Northern-Europe U5 and population the oldest with the Sami and the Basque. Any other questions.
no16na39 2 years ago 2
you now that the finish people, arent germanic ore scandinavium people by the decent, they are hungarien, people, they are the same group
Norrahammarbyhamnen 2 years ago
No, I don't know. Finns are 28% Central-European I1a (same origin than later "Germanic" tribes) and 60% N3. Hungarians speak Ugric language, by geneology Finns are more close to Dutch, Swedes, Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians than Hungarians.
no16na39 2 years ago 2
PERRKELE!!
Jonza121 2 years ago 6
Man ska ju komma ihåg att Finland var den östra rikshalvan, därför lika mycket svenskar som svenskarna i den västra rikshalvan. Hursomhelst så kan vi i Sverige och Finland vara stolta över vår historia. Lite synd att Finland har president och inte har den svenske kungen som statschef, på samma sätt som Canada, Australien, Nya Zeeland med fler har Drottning Elisabeth II som statschef.
karpov89 2 years ago
? Yes. However Finn is a Finn and a Swede is a Swede whether he lives in Finland or in Sweden. Finns are not "svenskar" and the spoken language does not change the fact. Tens of thousands of years of history and you talk about 500 of years. Strange view but ok.
no16na39 2 years ago 3
Well to be fair if you gonna reason like that no one is anything, cause Finland came to be Swedish at the same time Sweden came to be Sweden, before that Finland wasn't anything except nomansland. Finland was a natural part of Sweden just like for instance Uppland. So I'm sorry but you can't look at it the way you do cause then nothing is ever in context.
k1lkenny 2 years ago
Well to be fair if you gonna reason like that Sweden has been even more nomansland than Finland. After all Finland has been inhabited first, even Gothland was inhabited from Finland. Finland partly due to historical ties was naturally linked to Sweden under the same King's rule. Does that make Finland Swedish, no it does not. A short time in history.
no16na39 2 years ago 3
Well we can't talk about a time before the term "Nation" existed in this corner of the earth, yes Sweden was also a nomansland. So a couple of "dudes" from the west side of the baltic went to the east side of the baltic and said "Hey we can joint these" and there you go the joined under one king and one name. before they were nothing now they are something.
You can't ignore the fact that Finland, didn't exist and It was Swedish (in terms of nations) 600 years before it ever became Finnish.
k1lkenny 2 years ago
Are you ok. Nobody is ignoring anything. History is history. Finland i.e. Suomi as a nation is as young or old as Sweden. It has nothing to with the existence. Does it. Finns have never been Swedes. Why. Because they are culturally, linguistically, historically, genolocially Finns still today. It is true that Sweden and Finland were under the same King's rule due to ancient ties, trade and spread of Christianity from the West.
no16na39 2 years ago 3
Finland became swedish during swedish crusades in the 11th and 12th century. Finland was considered under swedish rule between 1249-1809. Actually the evolvement of Finland is a little alike the one of Lithuania. During the Swedish rule swedish became the language of the higher classes and on the coasts. You can't argue that Finland has tens of thousands of years of history. What doesn't. Every country is a constitution. Nothing that has always been.
Hrothga 2 years ago 3
Finland has been Finland and Sweden has been Sweden. "Crusades" relate to spread of Christianisation and formation of early nations in the North, however Finland was Christian in the beginning of the 1st millenium allready. Finnish, Old Norse, Latin. Old Norse has been in use in Finland also. Swedish in Finland and Finnish in Sweden later on.
no16na39 2 years ago
Before Sweden came Finland as a nation wasn't even thought of. While Sweden united, finland was extremely backwards. All major towns in finland, well almost, has been ordered by swedes. But the thing still contains. During this age Finland and Sweden were all together considered as Sweden. It's quite sad that you Finns really don't understand what Sweden has done for you. Without Sweden, you would have been seized by another country. Your neighbors were too far ahead in every field.
Hrothga 2 years ago
You also should remember that modern Finns have never been in the western influence of Sweden. Actually most of it. What Sweden has done is that they used Christianity as an excuse to spread influence and steal. Pretty much the same everywhere. Finland had straight cultural contacts elsewhere and language was latin. Not Swedish.
no16na39 2 years ago
The thing is. If the country had been called Sweden-Finland instead of just Sweden. Then i would be able to agree with you. But facts is that Finland as a nation, began to rise after 1809 when russia took you. So Finland is and will always be a young nation. 92 years of freedom, aye?
Hrothga 2 years ago 2
That all is mumbojambo. There was no Sweden either. There were Tavastians, Svear, Götar, Karelians and so on. Culture is culture, Jesus Christ is not frontwards compared to paganism. Formation of modern nations, administration, laws, church later on might be. Your knowledge of Suomi is as little as your small brain can comprehend.
no16na39 2 years ago
You can think whatever you want. Finland has everything to thank Sweden for. Also i have pretty strong bonds with Finland on both a personal and historical level. I on a historical level still consider Finland as equal to Sweden and preferably as a brothers nation. And on a personal level as i am part finnish myself.
Hrothga 2 years ago
wake up, brother. Hadn't Finland gotten rid of swe rule, the oppression of sveden would've continued as a darkness covering the land. Russian rule gave us autonomy. That pretty much says it all. What does that tell about your cuntry? Sweedes like to think they are the saviors of the world, but it's a load of BS. Also swe didn't allow british volunteers to pass thru when they were gonna come and fight with us against the ruskis. And don't call yourself a finn, what a joke.
karzonizki 2 years ago
We built up your land. We defended it with our lives for century after century with our own blood. And many thousands of Swedish volunteers came to finland to fight against the russians. We let german trains pass our territory that sent troops and material to finland and northern norway to battle the russians.
And we don't consider ourselves saviors of the world, just the saviors of the reformation and Finland which we considered as much part of Sweden as Sweden itself.
And yeah, i'm finnish
Hrothga 2 years ago
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I think you shouldn't call yourself a finn karzonizki. Sweden and Finland have a lot in common and the culture of Finland is basically the same as in Sweden. Everything good in Finland has mainly come from Sweden and everything bad from the east. There was no country called "Finland" when Finland was part of Sweden it was just a province called "Österland", same as Skåne or Norrland. Without swedes there wouldn't even be finnish language. It was the swedes who created written finnish language.
Faraviid 2 years ago
well, if we wouldn't settled down between russian and sweden, sweden would have lost their independence in the second world war for sure!!..
umpisuoli87 2 years ago
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Haha, it was Michael Agricola. But in my eyes I dont rispect Sweden they always take honour to themselves. Who fighted against russians to protect scandinavia from the beast. WE HAVE ALWAYS FOUGHT THE SCANDINAVIA WARS. IM JUST SO SICK OF IT. FUCK TO SWEDEN, FUCK TO NORWAY, FUCK TO DENMARK. AND THESE DAYS SWEDEN ISNT BETTER THAN FINLAND. SWEDEN IS FULL OF FOREIGN PEOPLE. WHAT IS WORLDS SMALLEST BOOK? ITS BOOK OF SWEDISH WAR HEROES.
ArDeZe 2 years ago
1)Mikael Agricola made the written finnish language
2) U didn't give a shit about finland u just took taxes
3) Russian gave us autonomy, it was our luck we got rid of u. U didnt even care about fighting from us, u just used us for ur own silly wars...
keeptdos 2 years ago 4
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Tonzai2002 2 years ago
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My ancestors (The Germans) brought civilization to Sweden.
pirunvasara666 2 years ago
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Agrikultur 2 years ago
Finland was mainly a source of taxes, raw materials and men for all the stupid wars of sve. your just trying to redeem yourself for leaving your own country. Besides, the finnish history was written by the conquerer,sverige, so it's all twisted and wrong. I have nothing to be thankfull of sweden for. Or maybe one thing, old volvos are great!
karzonizki 2 years ago
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It saddens me to see that todays finnish can't see the truth. What a twisted and corrupt people you have become. How could that happen. We swedes became so great.
Hrothga 2 years ago
pff. "great"? Read your pre-great war history again
Morneion 2 years ago
corrupt? actualy u cant see anything, yea it was nice u took womens and childrens at winter war but thats it.
keeptdos 2 years ago
Yawn.. sorry, friend, you have absolutely, definetely no idea what you're talking about. Anyway, have a great summer!!
karzonizki 2 years ago
Great summer to you too.
Hrothga 2 years ago
Hejj suomalaisia onko te ymärrä tämä me kulu ruotsissa 200 v sitten siksi me on ni paljon suomiruotsalassia tällä
mafor76 3 years ago
The predominant fear of fighting against Hakkapelitas probably enhanced their success in battle. They were feared 'cause they acted differently in battle than most armies, e.g. they faught silently which was considered eerie. And as the rumors and tales spread, they were soon accused of witchcraft, which again enhanced more fear. So what I'm getting to is that the success was more devastating because of the enemy's low morale,as we all know, high fighting morale is the greatest of weapons in war
Zorkker 3 years ago 5
Sverige är format av 4 folk, Svear från Svealand som tidigare hade haft starka band med Finnarna, Gotlänningarna och Götarna som hade mer influenser från kontinenten och de andra vikinganationerna och Finnar som motsatt av vad de flesta tror var de som stod svearna närmast av alla folk inom riket tack vare århundraden av handel, medans götarna oftast hade varit bittra fiender, Svearna och Finnarna slogs också förenade mot det ryska hotet ett flertal gånger innan föreningen.
PirunvasaraReborn 3 years ago 2
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Great history knowledge guys. Swedes block Finns from their videos who put up some facts. Keep it up guys and coolthing100, nothing new. Coward.
no16na39 3 years ago 9
Idioottimaista laittaa tekstit vihreällä :S
Otherwise, good video.
ArabiApina 3 years ago 2
After battles of Burgstall and Werben in 1631 King Gustav Adolphus deployed Hakkapeliittas on the place of glory: First battle lines right flank.
civ81 3 years ago 2
Jeez, aivan upeita videoita! Onhan tuo hakkapeliitta periytynyt myöhemmin vaikka mihin, mm. renkaisiin.
leppapuu 3 years ago
The swedish armies consisted mostly of finnish soldiers.
SternMann93 3 years ago
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it was thanx to the Swedish soldiers Sweden ever managed to become a great power in Europe, We Counquered everything of interest.
I advice u too look at the regiments fighting the battles, Like the battle of Fraustadt, Breitenfeldt, Battle of Lund, e.t.c e.t.c.
joonte1010 3 years ago
As I said, very big part of the swedish army consisted of finns, that's just a fact.
SternMann93 3 years ago