Dr. Susan Wicklund on the Rachel Maddow Show

[benjohnson50]

I'd like to hear the pro-abortion argument for at what point a human being is considered a human being.

[ENDRENOABORTION]

Excellent.

We are winning.

Killing a baby should not be as simple or easy as a one nighter after going home with a stranger.

[texasalltheway1]

dr susan wickland should have been aborted. what a waste of a life

[Zebede197]

Esa vieja es feeaa lol

[Kane88andToews19]

These doctors are absolute lunatics who make Kevorkian look like Mother Teresa

[vgman94]

@Kane88andToews19 Kevorkian only tried to help people in hopeless situations. You can't understand that, just like you can't understand abortion is not wrong. Such sad people you are.

[DrJTG]

Abortion kills little women in the womb. Genetically unique women. Precious little women who do feel pain.

Stop the killing of innocent women, stop abortion.

[prolifedragonfly]

I had a D&E in 1995. They told me it was a "blob of tissue". Later I saw the medical records. (I was 14 weeks.) The baby was a boy. It was excruciatingly painful and humiliating.

The reason 45 million women are not coming out of their homes to support the pro-abortion movement is because 45 million women don't support it. Ideology is one thing. Experience is another.

[pirbird14]

@prolifedragonfly

I had a vacuum aspirator abortion. It looked like a strawberry milkshake. I felt more squeamish about killing slugs in the garden than I did about the abortion.

Dream on, lady, "Post Abortion Syndrome" is a figment of the imagination of woman hating fetus fetishists.

[PurrfectlyCute]

@pirbird14 I am prochoice but that;'s not entirely true. I had an abortion in 1987, and had great regret over it. I still support choice but this idea that "nobody" has bad feelings or regrets or guilt., is bullshit.

[pirbird14]

@PurrfectlyCute

Learn to read. i did not say that no one has "bad feelings" about having an abortion. I said there is no such thing as "Post Abortion Syndrome".

[daisyMermaid1]

MSNBC is on the very bottom of ratings. Barely anyone is watching Rachel Maddow. Keith Olberman does sports for extra money.

[DrJTG]

Abortion is a very real health hazard for women. Psychologically its devastating. Physically dangerous, and often scarring. People are in line to adopt babies, so the child is obviously much better off not being burned to death in the womb. That is not the issue, as studies show adopted children do better than those of the natural parents. Thus to recommend an abortion under the "guise" it helps women, or gulp, the children, is a huge LIE. Common sense, not a religion or gender issue.

[PurrfectlyCute]

@DrJTG Abortion is real health hazard? 9 mos of pregnancy, labor and childbirth are WAY more hazardous than a early abortion is. There are 500,000 kids ALREADY waiting to be adopted. Adoption is about homes for children, not providing children for homes.

[DrJTG]

Thank you, yes pregnancy is a difficult time. I thank my mother for putting up with me. But let's be clear, their are so many couples in the US waiting for a child, that they go are driven to great lengths to try and get a child.

Adoption is about loving people opening their hearts to nurture a child, agreed? No child wants to be an orphan.

[Kane88andToews19]

@PurrfectlyCute Abortion is a hell of a health hazard to the unborn child. In fact, it's 100% fatal. Fucking pathetic idiot.

[PurrfectlyCute]

@Kane88andToews19 wow, name calling = someone unable to debate an issue on merit.

[2000yrCatholic]

Afraid? The people who are afraid are the

innocent babies that are being killed.

Don't try to twist the truth around.  When you

cash your paycheck I want you to picture the

innocent baby's face you just killed. Blood money. Repent or you go to hell and have all eternity to picture the innocent babies you killed.

[micheydee1]

@2000yrCatholic

You are a disgusting, hateful, controlling bigot.

[Kane88andToews19]

@micheydee1 Nothing is more "controlling" than the federal government controlling whether or not an unborn child has the right to live

[micheydee1]

@Kane88andToews19 Since you're too stupid to breathe, let me explain it to you. You and your ilk want to impose your "morality" on all the women of this country. I don't believe one bit in your perverse faith and imaginary god. You and your doctor-killing friends are trying to control women.

[Kane88andToews19]

@micheydee1 It has nothing to do with "faith" or "God. It is an issue of human rights. Lunatic leftists don't give a fuck about human rights. You care about control and social engineering. Abortion is at the center of that agenda.

[2000yrCatholic]

Afraid? The ones who are afraid are the innocent babies being killed. Don't twist the truth around to make abortionists look like the victims. The victims are those innocent babies that they continueto torture and kill. Savages you need to repent.Repent or you will spend all eternity thinking about all the babies you killed.

[sweetorsour97]

datz my last nameeee

[Progo35]

MSNBC doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that Tiller wasn't providing run of the mill early abortions. He was providing abortions that took place between six and nine months gestation. Most abortion doctors do not perform abortions this late. This distinguished Tiller from other doctors. For me, this was very wrong of him, and his work perpetuated the idea that it is better not to be born than to be born with some sort of disability, which comprised the majority of the late abortions he did.

[shereerose52]

i am deeply saddened by the senseless murder of a courageous doctor. abortion is solely a woman's choice-and anything that makes this difficult decision safer is to be applauded. this death only endangers the life of untold women-now and in the future

shame on those people who call themselves "pro-life" when it is they who are really pro-death.

[jagnole]

Pro-life is really pro-death??? I don't understand. It is most definitely a sad situation and I don't condone these acts, but this is how bad things get worse. You're saying all pro-life people agree with what this lunatic did, not to mention he did it in a CHURCH! when it's not true. These kinds of things show who the hypocrites are... on both sides. the person that doesn't want baby's to be murdered, murders and the person who doesn't mind a baby being murdered minds when the doc is murdered

[psykkodukk]

"Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought." - US code 18, 1111

Murder is a legal term which does not apply to legal abortion. It does however apply to the shooting of the doctor.

Even when I was pro-life (with exceptions of course) I knew this.

A little research goes a long way.

[jagnole]

I'm not really sure where to start. Do you think the govt. made up the word "murder"? No. Your saying its not murder because the law says its not. There are a reasons behind laws. Saying it's not murder because the government says its not is a B.S. argument. So, you were pro-life? and when you were pro-life, you knew that abortion wasn't murder. If you thought that it wasn't murder, than I don't see how you could be or have been pro-life. That doesn't make sense either. research? explain?

[psykkodukk]

All I mean is that murder is a legal term, and you aren't using it right. I knew that abortion was not murder, and also realized that a fetus was not the same as a baby. I opposed the killing of a potential human except when necessary. The trouble was deciding what necessary meant and who should decide when it is and isn't necessary. Eventually, I came to the conclusion that the choice aught to belong to the woman and nobody else. Although I do not like abortion, I am proudly pro-choice now.

[jagnole]

I didn't bring government or law into the conversation. Obviously, I'm against the ruling of Rowe v. Wade, so why would you think I would go along with their definition of something I don't agree with. You opposed the killing of "potential" humans!? well every fetus is a "potential" human being, so for you to say that and then make a difference between them is bogus. No one is against abortion when the pregnancy endangers the mother. NO ONE! You don't like abortion yet your okay with it?

[psykkodukk]

If you don't want the law brought into it, then don't use a legal term. Kill would fit much better.

Yeah, killing a fetus is killing a potential human. That's what I was saying. I don't like it.

Believe it or not there are some people that say that a pregnency should continue even if the mother's life is in danger or believe that a mother's life is somehow never in danger while she's pregnant. Different people have different ideas about when abortion is acceptable who decides who decides?

[psykkodukk]

I have never met anyone who likes abortion. It is and aught to be a last resort when alternatives fail or have undesirable consequences for the people involved.

I do not like abortion. I'm a virgin myself but if I wasn't and contraceptives failed I would likely have to resort to an abortion as I have no intention of carrying a pregnency to term. Doing so would be a serious inconvenience and unpleasant, I certainly wouldn't consider having an abortion fun or at all likable.

[jagnole]

I believe that it is murder, but for the sake of this conversation continuing, I'll use the term "Kill". How about lets stop using the term "fetus". that is just scientific rhetoric. lets instead use the term "potential baby". I'm sure there are people out there that believe the mother is never in danger, but how can I really take that as your reason to be pro-choice when right afterward, you say that you would get an abortion just because you wouldn't want to be punished for making a mistake?

[psykkodukk]

Fetus is the accurate term, there's no 'rhetoric' about it.

I don't think I used not wanting punished for a mistake as my reason, but it's true, I don't see why people aught to be punished for having sex.

The trouble I find is deciding what circumstances make abortion acceptable. Different people have different standards for what reasons are appropriate. Who's to say whose judgement is best? The government? Fox News? Sarah Palin? The father? You? Me?

[psykkodukk]

I don't like abortion. I'd like to see a world without abortion. A world where contraceptives work 100% of the time and were always readily available, nobody ever experienced complications with pregnancy, or were simply forced to reconsider motherhood due to a change of outside circumstances. We don't live in that world.

I think that the only people who have any business determining when an abortion is or is not appropriate should be the woman and her doctor. Hence I am pro-choice.

[shereerose52]

i agree that "murder" is wrong, but not all murders are equal. people "murder" animals for food, if you feel that is bad, then you are free to not eat meat, but does that make it o.k. to kill the butcher because some people like to eat hamburger? you have every right to oppose abortion, but you do not have the right to pass death sentences on the doctors who perform them. the freedom to disagree is fundamental to a democracy, but terrorism against your "enemy" is fascism.

[mathshop24]

R.I.P. Dr. George Tiller. At times like this we must all stay strong and show the pro-lifers that we will not be intimidated, rather we will fight even stronger for our rights. It seems like we take one step forward and two steps back. Sure you can get an abortion, but you have to wait a day. Sure you dont have to get permission from your husband, but if youre under a certain age you have to get it from your parents. But I still have hope.

[cherrymiss72]

I grieve for Dr. Tillers family, friends and loved ones. I also grieve for all of us, because we are steadily losing our rights to the integrity of our own bodies. No one has the right to force me to give birth to a child I do not want, period.

I had an abortion at 18 and have gone on to have several children in my marriage. I have never regretted my decision even once, and I am very thankful that I had access to an inexpensive and safe procedure.

Thank you to the providers everywhere.

[Toriam19]

I apperciate her bravery in this long battle to keep reproductive services for American Women.

[garthggarth]

My sympathies, for her personal and professional grief.