Talk to any guy or gal who was forced to take ritalin as a child. Mention the word torture and most will tell you that is what it felt like to be on ritalin. hyperactivity is part and parcel of being a healthy child. when children become disruptive or destructive they need discipline. And when they behave you reward them. Many find behavior or classical conditioning means we are only machines. no, because we are aware of it. forced drug social control is unconstitutional and inhumane.
oh yes that anti forced psychiatric treatment libertarian, non scientology member, psychiatrist who founded cchr is Thomas Szasz md. Others who are not libertarian or have any philosophy but humanity to give include, Dr.Peter Breggin md, David Cohen PhD, Robert Whitaker("mad in america" great book), Gary Null, etc. Good patient rights orgs include mindfreedom
Scientology is not my cup of tea. But the fact is libertarian psychiatrist started cchr. scientology helps fund it. all besides the point. fact is the prevailing rx psychiatry via neuroleptics(e.g.abilify, olanzazpine--new is not improved-- or the older haldol, thorazine et al) forced into those labled crazy, tortures, lifespans, and kills suddenly tens of thousands in US alone every year. at best 2% of all violence is committed by "nuts". furthermore no causal link. normal is scarry
And don't tell me there's also Talk Therapy in Psychiatry, this has been deprecated, at least in the USA, in favour of the new "psychobiology paradigm". This is of course not the case if talking about Psychology.
The fact that in the brain you can observe some neurotransmitters "playing up" while someone is depressed is an effect not a cause; for instance if you are depressed cause you are unemployed, taking a pill to put back to normal some neuroransmitters is like cheating, it masks the real cause. But you know for the modern medicine and the psychiatry there's no soul, there's no mind, there's only body, brain and matter, and you have to take pills to make Big Pharma even more rich.
There are other groups against Psychiatry, aside from that what does it mean "psychiatric illness" or like? Define that please!
All diseases can be physical or mental, or psychosomatic (Diseases in the body caused by the mind). So what she's talking about?
If for treatment you mean taking pills for years masking the real cause of your problems, this is just cheating. To treat or to cure doesn't mean to heal.
Psychiatry is not responsabile for the holocaust? Tell me about Ernst Rüdin then.
It's only a matter of time before the rest of the world becomes educated on the mass-propaganda tactics, which are fed to youth,scholars, and the general global public. Why such lie? Why create such a system? Easy: Population control; market control; guarunteed trade; total socio-economic manipulation. With psychiatry in action, there will never be another Great Depression. There will always be federal funding, guarunteed insurance payments, international commonground, & pharmeciutical prestige.
If you're not spending your money the way the U.S. government wants you to spend your money... If you have a dispute with your parents or loved ones. If you put your faith in a psychiatrist rather than your own free will.. You will be labeled, controlled, and possibly tortured into becoming a docile rule-abiding robot. You may even commit suicide. For all of you suffering out there, my prayers are will you and know that justice WILL be served and you WILL know yourselves and be pure again.
@solomassage I couldn't agree with you more. And the thing that keeps this industry going is the strict laws behind its absolute powers. Reminds me of the Salem witch trials of the 1600s. Just as one would accuse someone of witchcraft in those days, people are rapidly being labeled by money-hungry doctors with DSM "disorders", for which there are no proof, on a daily basis. The marketed guidelines for sanity are consumer-based "socially/economically beneficial" behavior.
Psychiatrists were major players in the nazi eugenics program and CIA experimentation on mind control. Beside this sordid history, their current crop of medications is an absolute disaster. If anyone wants to know about psychiatry just look up their drugs and techniques: ECT, lobotomy, insulin coma therapy, SSRI's, xanax, anti-psychotics, atypical antipsychotics. All of these cause brain damage and impairment. Psychiatrists are criminals. Actions speak louder than words.
@MetalBru01 I don't really know what this means but everything i said was true. I will be more than happy to debate you on anything you feel is of questionable validity. If you agree with me then it is "Cool" to fully understand how corrupt psychiatry is.
@scottyb453 LOL! What a noob you are (or do you not know what that means either). When some one says "cool story bro" it means that your post is to long and boring for me to read all of it.
That the answer is NOT the implied "righteousness" of the man in the white suit who forces you on pills, scares you into thinking you're this or that for HE TOO believes the LIES that have been fed to him by his ACADEMIA. The answer, my friends, lies within YOU and YOUR SOUL..and YOUR CONNECTION with your God of worship. AMEN! Don't feed the greed!
Don't worry. All of you people who've been labeled or hurt, if your soul has been infiltrated by these morons claiming to be "doctors," I am here to show you a new light. Regardless of the situation you are in, you DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, need to be in it. Only YOU can determine YOUR destiny. Not a doctor, NOT a parent, a friend, or a family member...YOU...and it is YOU who knows the answers deep down inside your souls...That the answer is not BRAINWASHING drugs...That the answer is NOT
AS A MATERIALIST I AGREE WITH PSIQUIATRY, AS A SPIRITUALIST I AGREE WITH BUDDHISM, AS A SCIENTIST I AGREE WITH HAWKIN¨S NOTHINESS. AS A SCIENTOLOGYST I WOULD AGREE I´M A THETAN. IN ANY CASE, I RATHER GO IN BELIEVING I´M SOMETHING ELSE LIKE A SOUL THAN A PIECE OF WITS THAT RANDOMNESS BY ACCIDENT CREATED SOME BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO AND THEREFORE I AM AN INNOCENT GUY IRRESPONSIBLE OF WHATEVER I AM. MATERIALISM IS WHAT PSYCHIATRY IS ALL ABOUT. THEY BELIEVE WE ARE NOTHING BUT "ORGANIZED MUD" . NICE A.
There's nothing like a group of extremist culties who believe your body is infested with body thetans and that shouting at ash trays improves communication to tell you how bad psychiatry is!
@halobenders84 - Start with a book called Sexual Sabatoge by Dr. Judith Reisman. And I also have detailed documentation as to how the APA removed homosexuality from their DSM list of disorders that shows the APA to be a non-credible organization.
@Gmmm Do you know how they came to that conclusion and decison of removal? I have much info on it, but you'll have to message me on my inbox to get it. Be prepared to do about a chapter's worth of reading though
Death to $cientology's policy of acting. Anon will not stop until you change your ways. Knowledge is free. $cientology is a scam. Expect us in the future.
L Ron Hubbard was given Vistaril® by Dr. Gene Denk in his final days, by intramuscular injection in the right buttocks. Vistaril® is a psychiatric drug, used to calm frantic or overly anxious patients. He died on January 24th, 1986, eight days after the fatal stroke, and one day after signing his last will and testament. He died in a 1982 Blue Bird motor home, about five miles East of Creston, CA, at the very remote "Emanuel Camp". His fingernails and toenails were long and unkempt.
Mental illness can affect not just an individual but family and friends. It can be hard to accept for some, hence when people are in such a fragile emotional state and go looking for answers they can be sucked in by the sensationalist propaganda of the Scientology think tank, reinforcing their desire for such mental health conditions to simply not exist.
CCHR is a prime example of how Scientology exploits the fear and anxiety of the vulnerable!
we´re so blinded by the power these "professionals" have in the world today, that we just go along with whatever they say, even though they haven´t any proof for mental illnesses, but it´s very comfortable for society to have an organism "mental health section" in order to keep the different people out of the way of the mainstream society.we´ve been so bombarded by propaganda of these powerful people that we believe they have the magic pill to solve all the erratic problems in the world.
@steeeeever You seem a little confused there. What I said was accurate, what you said is inaccurate. Tell me the studies that show these are 'real' diseases. Tell me JUST ONE study that proves the 'chemical imbalance' theory. They been looking to prove a biological or genetic basis for schizophrenia for over 100 years and STILL haven't found anything. They do NOT understand what these 'illnesses' are in the slightest. And the info 'they' (psychiatry, APA, media) put out is false. Its marketing.
Most of the scientific and psychiatric community has been compromised gradually starting in the early 1900s and then really more prominently so starting in the late 60s early 70s. For example, many people think the American Psychiatric Association is the expert and final say when it comes to issues of psychology. Dig deeper and you'll find that the APA's decisions are almost always based on political agendas and profits for Big Pharma, and has been like that since the early 70s
TWO WORDS: HOLISTIC DOCTOR!!! Unfortunately most psychiatrists don't embrace vitamins, minerals, herbs, and nutrition. Most kids on ADD medicine live on junk food. Give me a break.
@TheBornAnnoyed Yes, you are right. They live in an overstimulated world with video games, movies, and TV and that too causes ADD and parents yelling at them- various things.
You are incorrect in you assumption that "most psychiatrists....blah blah blah." Most kids on ADD are hyper manic and OVER stimulated, thanks to the world we live in today.
I am reading alot of ignorant posts here from people, complaining about how they believe Psychiatrists dispense medication way too much.... blah blah blah. Fact is this is Legal, and Necessary. Now you ALL know people (maybe even yourselves) who do street drugs. Alot of script drugs wind up as street drugs, and they're sold lucratively. Street drugs are far more highly addictive, expensive, and have more horrendous side effects than any pharmaceutical. GROW THE FUCK UP.
@TheBornAnnoyed I don't believe it is necessary. People need to express their emotions, not live on mind numbing brain medicine. I don't care if is this is legal. Slavery and prohibiting women from voting used to be legal- does that make these things right?
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@birdiehats I'm sorry but you don't think what is necessary? Yes, people do need to express their emotions. Trust me that I do not believe in having someone pop a pill for every ailment. I happen to be anti medicine. I was fighting the flu over Christmas week, I believe I had an infection....but I freed it without the use or need for anti biotics. Your analogy is very weak. And I'm not feeling up for disputing it with ya.
@TheBornAnnoyed If pharmeceutical drugs really worked than any survey would reveal (with all the drugs going around) that the American population woul be happier and the schools would be doing better. Any survey will not reveal them to be happier and more well off then they were 50 years ago. And the grades in the schools are declining so the drugs they are giving to handle the kids ADHD or whatever else obviously aren't the answer.
@TheBornAnnoyed Why should they be on psychiatric meds if they believe psychiatry kills? So the meds can kill them? Or produce irreversible neurological damage called tardive dyskinesia or akinesia? Which, if you were halfway intelligent, would know antipsychotic medications can and do cause.
So a difference of opinion to that of psychiatry makes one 'mentally ill'? Yep, cause a different opinion is 'bad' and 'wrong' right? Lets drug everyone that thinks for themselves. That'll fix 'em.
@Ragnarok187 .." Why should they be on psychiatric meds if they believe psychiatry kills? So the meds can kill them?" ... Well honey, I guess thatz an oXymoron. THEY should be on medz...simply becuz it can help them form clearer thoughts...and function as semi~smart individuals. So YOU think if these scumbags get medicated that it'z gonna KILL THEM?!!! GREAT. Let them OVERDOSE on these medz. This way they can join L.Ron Hubby... in HeLL.
@TheBornAnnoyed Actually in most cases meds produce emotional flattening, and increase disruptive thoughts. Anti-depressant meds often INCREASE suicidal ideation. There are some that choose to take them yes, but there is also an increasing amount that don't take them because it makes them feel worse and makes it harder for them to think and concentrate.
So if your reasoning is for them to take meds is to function as semi-smart individuals perhaps you should take some. You obviously need it.
@TheBornAnnoyed And did you just call those diagnosed as mentally ill as 'scumbags'? Wow, you'll be a great asset to the labeling and drugging community that is psychiatry. Abuse them then drug them. Your fantastic spelling will also be an asset.
CCHR may not do it, but psychiatry will be exposed, and it will be soon. They've put peoples lives at risk for far to long, and it's all been for profit and social control.
@Ragnarok187 ...LULZ.....ALL I'm gonna say to you Skag is you are funny, and not smart. Keep peddlin' your $cientology beliefs. And you're very inaccurate with your BED WETTING BLEEDING HEART BULLSHIT.
@Ragnarok187 ..."And did you just call those diagnosed as mentally ill as 'scumbags?" ... and don't put words into my mouth, you manipulative freak of nature. I'm a Social Worker...LOL....among many other things.
@TheBornAnnoyed This is a direct quote from your previous comment. "So YOU think if these scumbags get medicated that it'z gonna KILL THEM?!!! GREAT. Let them OVERDOSE on these medz. This way they can join L.Ron Hubby... in HeLL." I'm not putting words in your mouth, you did that yourself. You called the 'mentally ill' scumbags and said it would be great if they overdosed so they could go to hell.
I'm sure you're a fantastic social worker. Abuse them then charge them to 'treat' them.
@TheBornAnnoyed You're a social worker. If you really want to help people don't throw drugs at their symptoms. Look for the underlying cause of the problem and treat that. In almost all cases of all 'disorders', the cause can be traced back to family problems, bullying, sexual abuse, trauma, induced fear etc. Teach them skills to help them cope with and deal with THAT issue, don't label them and drug them. Labels do NOT help those being labeled, and drugs have a whole range of dangerous effects.
@Ragnarok187 ..I am not licensed, nor do I have the degree, to dispense scripts, for meds. Yet. Last time... psych meds alleviate symptoms, and this benefit far outweighs the potential risk of side effects. I truly understand underlying causes for mental illness, and I address these on a regular basis. I wish you well in your studies. You are smart. And I'm sorry I was so hard on ya, early on. I just thought you were some dumb bitch...lol. Be well....and healthy. :)
@TheBornAnnoyed Yes, psych meds can alleviate symptoms, but they treat the symptoms, not the cause. Hence the analogy of morphine for a broken leg.
Thank you for the apology, and I apologize too if I caused any offense. I understand all these concepts to an extremely large degree, due to study and my own personal experiences.
I'm on holidays now from uni, but instead of partying or drinking I'm researching and writing articles.
Psychiatry claims it has effective treatment? That 'mental illness' is a disease and treatable? rofl. Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'. And she claims to put 'accurate' information out through the media? It's all marketing. This information is not accurate. It's to sell drugs. They omit negative results such as suicide rates, alter the results to make them look better and ghost-write these articles. There is no other medical profession based on psuedo-science.
@TheBornAnnoyed It's kinda funny that psychiatrists and those who support psychiatry are absolutely obsessed with labeling others. I'm not, never have been, nor ever will be a scientologist. But you don't sound overly intelligent. It has been said that psychiatrists label anyone who is against psychiatry as a scientologist (which you just did) because CoS has such a bad rep. And so it should. I don't believe in anything the church does or represents. CCHR offers info about PSYCHIATRY, not CoS.
@Ragnarok187 .."It's kinda funny that psychiatrists and those who support psychiatry are absolutely obsessed with labeling others. I'm not, never have been, nor ever will be a scientologist" ... What I am obsessed about iz calling a Spade.. a Spade. You not a $cient ?... lmao... Yeah, typical banter from your kind. Denying that you are just that.
@TheBornAnnoyed And again, just like psychiatry, you're obsessed with labeling others. You know absolutely nothing about me, not my name, age, where I live, nothing, yet you think you know enough about me to call me a scientologist? Sorry buddy, like I said, I'm not nor ever have been. I don't support CoS, but I do support the work CCHR does because it's against the use of dangerous drugs and flawed labels.
Psychiatry has an extremely high rate of misdiagnosis, and just like them, you do too.
@Ragnarok187 You know what Skaggy? I came back here. I never had read all your inaccurate, pro $cifag ramblings. You wanna go at it? With me? BTW, I am a woman, as I assume you are too. You are uneducated, you read liberal nonsense and try to spew it back out as Truth. Come see me, when you're ready to open that small, frightened mind of yours. I could teach ya. Peace.
@Ragnarok187 .."Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'." I just can't seem to let this alone. Again...Stop posting bullshit. You speak very ignorantly. Just because someone you know offed themselves while on the wrong medicine perhaps doesn't give you any claim in your postings. Go back to Pre K. You need to start over.
@TheBornAnnoyed It's not bullshit. Pharma meds HAVEN'T 'cured' a single mental illness. Tell me ONE that they have CURED. Tell me ONE 'mental illness' that psychiatry has CURED (not just treated). And I'm not the ignorant one. All your responses are abuse and labeling me a scientologist (which once again, I'm not). But you can't seem to stop labeling people, even when that label is completely inaccurate. You even assumed I'm a woman, which by the way, I'm not. Another case of misdiagnosis?
@Ragnarok187 ..Pharm meds have never claimed to CURE mental illness. It claims to keep symptoms under control. Tell me... do you not know of anyone who has been relieved of their symptomatic behaviors due to taking an ssri....or anti-psychotic med? If not, you are lucky....or you're lying.
@TheBornAnnoyed Once again, look at the quote of what I originally said, and your response. ""Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'." I just can't seem to let this alone. Again...Stop posting bullshit. "
I said they have not cured a single mental illness. You said that was bullshit. But then you just stated here that they never claimed to be a cure. I did say they never cured any mental illness, which by your admission, I was accurate, but you said it was bullshit.
@TheBornAnnoyed Yes, psych meds have helped people. They can also increase the risk of suicide. They have also been attributed to sudden death. They can also produce the symptoms that are used to diagnose the illness in the first place, or produce other symptoms which are then diagnosed as another illness and more drugs are given as 'treatment'.
As for ECT, anywhere else that is considered torture. Strapping a person down and giving them high doses of electricity AGAINST THEIR WILL is torture.
@Ragnarok187 ...LMAO... Honey... i debated this "theory" that ECT is torture on another forum.. "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"... months ago. I cannot explain it all here, again. I can send it to you if you'd like.
@Ragnarok187 ....and i do believe that if people with mental illness stay on their meds, they can be "cured". Not all. Many stop at their own volition...and then they become sick again. Sad when this happens, but it does all too frequently.
@TheBornAnnoyed So a person who STAYS on their meds can be cured? No, that's just continued treatment. A person with cancer getting radiation therapy is being treated for cancer. It's not until the cancer is gone and the treatment can stop that the person is considered cured.
The reason ppl stop their drugs is cause of the side-effects. And the rate of relapse is HIGHER on drug treatments than other non-drug treatments. So the withdrawal and relapse is BECAUSE of the drugs.
@TheBornAnnoyed And yes, I do know of ppl that have had their symptoms relieved by medications. I've also known ppl that have gotten much worse. And like you said, it keeps their SYMPTOMS under control. That's like treating a broken leg with a shot of morphine. The symptom of pain is under control but it doesn't fix the problem. It just creates a life-time user of the drug. That's better than actually treating and fixing the problem is it?
@Ragnarok187 ..SSRI's and anti-psych meds are not addicting. The benzo's are a different story. They act and affect the brain differently. Pain killer med addiction is brutal. and abused way too often. Thank you Dr. House.
@TheBornAnnoyed You're right, SSRI's aren't as addictive as benzo's, but they can lead to suicidal preoccupation, paranoia, and occasionally violence.
As for anti-psychotics, yep those are fantastic. Oh, except for the fact they can cause IRREVERSIBLE neurological damage and produce Parkinson's disease like symptoms called as Akinesia and Tardive Dyskinesia. Look them up.
@Ragnarok187 "can cause IRREVERSIBLE neurological damage and produce Parkinson's disease like symptoms called as Akinesia and Tardive Dyskinesia.".. Well, i don't know about that... BUT, the symptoms that are relieved from psych meds FAR OUTWEIGH the risks or potential dangers that these meds can cause. I don't believe it anyway.... I believe you have been absorbing too much anti-psych literature. Are you a student?
@TheBornAnnoyed I'm a psychology student. Most of the textbooks do mention the effectiveness of drugs, but they also mention the dangers. The irreversible neurological damage and akinesia and tardive dyskinesia are in the textbooks. It took years before it was acknowledged and accepted those drugs can cause it, even with the mounting evidence. I don't look for 'anti-psychiatry' literature, I look at the literature that offers effective treatment which is mostly non-drug and has less side-effects
@TheBornAnnoyed "Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'." Oh but auditing (to read: screaming at them for hours on end) them and a diet of vegetables will cure schizophrenia?!? for someone who claims to have all that education the things you're advocating are just stupid and dangerous! Sure proven medications developed by scientists only treat the symptoms but name one disease or syndrome that following a failed science fiction writer ever cured!
@therealmadwombat These so called 'mental illnesses' aren't illnesses and aren't diseases. The APA president calls them 'diseases'. They aren't. They don't know what schizophrenia is. They've been looking for physical brain and gene defects for over a century and still not found anything. The 'chemical imbalance' theory has zero evidence to support it. Drugs and electroshock are not 'effective treatment'. The information they (psychiatry) puts out is not accurate. And no, I'm not a scientologist
@Ragnarok187 I'm not sure why I'd have to point this out but I was using the term "illness" in a colloquial sense. Picking at semantics doesn't prove the $ci-fags right! The same people that scream that the psychiatric community are just in it for the money are the ones who claim that they can "cure" several serious disorders by charging someone $12,000 to yell at them for two hours! Sure, psychiatry isn't a fine science but at least they've gone through years of intensive study on the subject!
@therealmadwombat Okay fair enough, you didn't use the term 'illness' in the same way that psychiatry does. But what you and most people fail to notice is that the info presented by CCHR is referenced and sourced from psychologists and psychiatrists, peer reviewed articles, and books/textbooks. They don't reference scientologists. CCHR just pools the info together. The info is out there. By focusing on them being scientologists you fail to pay attention to the information.
@therealmadwombat I don't agree with scientologists or their views and don't agree with how they attempt to 'help' people. Like you said, charging someone thousands and yelling at them is wrong. But they aren't the only other option. What about psychology? Psychotherapy? Talking & understanding? Nutrition? Exercise?
There is not just psychiatry/drugs & scientology. Take your blinders off. Psychology uses the same types of theories & research as psychiatry, but it's non-drug AND it's effective.
Although i can appreciate their fight against stupid scientology,
They done nothing but promote their own agenda and care not for the rights of free thinking/critical thinking and the rights of patients to oppose the psychiatric way,
and on their way to bash scientology not only they stigmatized their patients, they went even further into providing and educating their "anons etc" into attacking each individual and stigmatize him as a sceintologist.
Hate campaign my ass. These so called doctors shovel pills down peoples throat til they turn into vegetables and homocidal maniacs. Amerikkka sits back and attacks Scientology while creating a distraction for these ss nazi trained butchers to electricut & drug our brothers and sisters everyday. Now we can wake up and do something about this or go back to sleep. Ever wonder why the only things you can find on youtube about Scientology are negative attacks. They dont want you to be free. WAKE UP!!
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What do you think? A chemical could solve the problems of life? A chemical could solve problems that lie in the field of learning, beliefs, emotions, relationships and decisions? A chemical could solve social problems? What two chemicals could do?
But Perlimpimpim powder, it exists only in fairy tales. Psychiatric drug ads maintained by industry lobbies and their minions. I hope it is not in the process of producing generations of candidates for dialysis.
infact most psychiatrists suffer from one or other kind mental illness , new kind of pollution is emerging due to excessive use of these psychiatric drugs polluting water bodies .this polluting is entering into living organisms thus causing more and more mental illnesses .INFACT THERE ARE SADISTS AND SERIAL KILLERS IN PSYCHIATRY AND MEDICAL PROFESSION so we have to be very careful with these people(psychiatrists and doctors) .
i don't know about Scientology , i don't think frying a persons brain with ect can cure psychiatric illnesses .i am not saying mental illnesses aren't real but i strongly agree many(99% of psychiatrists) are over drugging people.it became huge business .
i don´t like C.O.S. but...in the other corner, i see psychiatrists as cinical people, who love to diagnose you in a million ways and making you feel "ill", just to justify their obsesion for money and domination feelings.
Scientologist dont hate psychiatrists individually, we just dont like what they do collectively. If they (psychiatrists and drug companies) stop their war with drugs on the population of the world then there is no major issue.
It's called a strawman attack. It's the same thing as the main stream media brainwashing people that "socialism is the code word for racism." Or if you are against paying higher and higher and higher taxes, then you are a right-wing-extremist, or a terrorist. And that's all it is, plain and simple.
Now, it is a fact that the guys face on the seal of the APA is the founder of the APA and he was a racist. He invented the mental illness called "niggertude".
these idiot doctors should pay for the people they hurt ! i lost my life several times going near psychiatry these heartless doctors need to be in JAIL!!!!
Psychiatry has noose around it's neck but its hands in the pockets of ordinary people, suckered into believing the act of playing God with somebody's brain detached from frailty and proven destruction is righteous. The Psych's own family grow up healthy lets hope... though torment and inevitable death is tighening it's hold on the industry.
heh, as stupid as this seems. there are lies stemming from both sides of this debate. partly on the side on the APA and the big Pharma companies, and partly the cchr. But of course your typical protester tends to fall toward the extreme, in reality i think the average person is split down the middle on this issue. hearing both sides and not really knowing where to disagree.
being against giving psychiatric drugs to kids = hate group!? Before i would put my kid on these drugs I would demand some sort of scientific test (blood test, brain scan, biopsy, etc.) like 'real' doctors would use, not just some subjective opinion.
The problem of overprescription/overdiagnosis does not mean that these disorders to not exist. There is more evidence, research, and real human suffering to support them than their is evidence of Scientology. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
There is many kind of depressions that you can have. Medications in itself can give depression, you can get an depression if you loose a family member, you can get an depression if you have a bad job where you feel you are worthless, you can get an depression if you feel loneliness etc. etc.
Does she really believe what she's saying about CCHR or is that her way of defending the practice. Look at thier president and board of advisors. Ive been a patient and aware of some of the problems with Psychiatry, so this is definitly bull. Dont know or care about Scientology, not religious, but CCHR does have valitity and telling people CCHR is just a hate group is a sham that dodges the issues they would like addressed
People are increasingly dismayed with the APA is because of things like the recent DSM 5 draft/proposal lumping unique disorders into something called the "autism spectrum disorder." This illuminates reckless and ignorant disregard for the realities of real autism as seen in videos I posted 'autism spectrum seems out of control." Psychiatry is not equipped to handle complexities of autism, hence they give up and create a 'spectrum" to toss everyone and their grandma into it...not good
Psychiatry doesn't know how the drugs work in the brain or what the definition of a chemical imbalance is, other than just saying a person has one becuase they act a certain way or feel sad. (Don't believe me when I say this, look it up for yourself).
Therefore there is no scientific evidence that psychiatric medication causes people to commit suicide, shoot up their school, go insane, psychotic, manic etc
@BassDestruction666 The first of my previous two posts has facts which are verifiable. I am sorry that my post was significant enough to irk you to reply telling me to state facts while not stating any yourself. In truth I take no offence to you I can tell your situation, but at the same time this is no reason to tread lightly to the detriment of the many. I'm not going to get into an argument you dont need that, so good luck and take some vitamins, get adequate sunlight and exercise etc...
I dont like Gordon Brown either but if he said Hitler was evil, I wouldn't say Hitler was good because I dont like Gordon Brown.
Not everything that opposes psychiatry is scientology (that would be rediculous) The articles over 2009 in the (UK) main stream media such as the one about antidepressants making under 25's more than twice as likely to commit suicide (on black box warning now), they are not scientology, it took over a decade and millions of people on them before this came to light.
Not only does it force its members to pay for its courses, they bullbait protestors, harass critics, disconnect families. It is not just critics who are targeted, Look at the list of TV Networks they have targeted, News Channels etc. They even try to censor the internet! They have something to hide if they are going to these great lengths to stop anyoneposting something about them.
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i cant believe how pathetic this so called president of the apa is...she just hopes that people would not believe the non sense while she acts as helpless. get rid of her as your president
This APA bitch employs so many logical fallacies in this interview, because of course anyone who is against psychiatric treatment options are either Scientologists or believe people with mental disorders are "lazy" or are "not praying enough."
No, there are many of us who don't take metal disorders lightly, who aren't scientologists and who don't believe in your Machiavellian "treatment" for too many reasons to get into in this short comment. In summary, this cunt should be put down.
your right, thumbs up for me. Yes there are certainly cases where people need and if anything should be forced to take drugs before they hurt themselves or others but all these Psychs dont have any other tools except drugs! all they do if your unlucky to go to one of these guys with something minor like anxiety, or so called ADD or depression is get druged to your eye balls sometimes for the rest of your life which is greatly shortened by all the crap your getting your liver to digest
@psychawareness So much anger, you sound like you could use psychiatric evaluation yourself! If your best argument against the opinions of the vast majority of the scientific community is "this cunt should be put down" that is just sad. Millions of people are helped and lives are saved and you think they should just stop their psychiatric treatments? Sorry, vitamins and herbs aren't going to put a dent in serious problems such as depression and schizophrenia!
Probably the same thing he said about human behavior, namely: that ALL human behavior, at its core, is neurotic or psychotic. This, of course, casts a most sinister shadow over the entire range of human behavioral dispositions and responses, and is most cynical.
Drugs may not be the ultimate answer, but they do help thousands of people including my friends. However Scientology doesn't only want to raise awareness of drugs, they want to destroy psychiatry and instead put people on their cures of auditing. They believe almost every health and brain disease is only in your mind, even things like heart attacks and AIDS. I find it disturbing that this all started because L Ron was angry psychologists wouldn't accept Dianetics. Way to be petty Ron.
HAVE U EVEN READ ANYTHING L. RON HUBBARD WROTE? I DONT THINK U HAVE. I DONT THINK U WILL EITHER. I THINK UR HAPPY LISTENING TO THE IGNORANT RANTS OF PEOPLE WHOS WHOLE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RELIGION COMES FROM A CARTOON. ENJOY YOUR NASCAR AND CHEETOES. THIS MIGHT BE OVER YOUR HEAD
@gt024 The button you're looking for is Caps Lock. It's on the bottom left above the Shift Key. You see, typing in all Caps doesn't make it true that an alien hydrogen bombed your thetan in a volcano. I have read plenty by "Dr." Hubbard, "CE" "PhD" and the more I read the more I recognize the obvious incogruence with logic, reason and science. Scientologists claim that dianetics raised people's IQ's, clearly it does quite the contrary.
@nelsogg85 You mad cause your daddy gt024 do what he wanna do? Go to your room and dont come out til you stop acting like a lil bitch. Keep talking, I'ma drop your ass in a volcano. Now stop lying to people about how you know how to read.
@gt024 ..ooohhh, gotta love the droid alerts. this way i can reply to people in a timely manner. Now listen, sonny, I am just gettin done sitting on your father's face. Are you done with my mom yet? CuM to Me, you cocKsucKin' SKAG.
@gt024 Hiya gt... How's my mum doing? Now listen.. You asked if someone ever read anything by LRon Hubby Nubby? Fuck No! I am burning every copy of anything he ever scribbled. And I am proceeding to get ALL his works, BANNED FROM BARNES & NOBLE.
@ChicagoAnonymous There are real concerns that psychiatry brings up, and it isn't just the COS that voices this. As far as I see it, psychiatry has every right and duty, collectively and individually, to protect its turf. The church and state is no longer the pardigm; now it is medicine (psychiatry) and state, As far as I know, medicine treats the disease; psychiatry treats the person. Actually, psychiatry would much rather have patients. The COS deflects attention, and is a propaganda windfall.
No they see them as a threat! Any $cientologist that goes to a Psychologist would see their "Religion" for the insane farce that it is and seek help instead of throwing buckets of money at the "church" to cure them of the dead aliens stuck to them!
That's what the delusional little fish in the Scientology sea would discover. The big fish, who are too smart to believe the nonsense they preach, are in it for the money and hide the truth about psychiatric care, know how quick they're business can vanish.
@therealmadwombat But you are for freedom of ideas, right? That is what it comes down to. If one chooses to medicalize problems of living and social conflict, or not, that should be the individual's decision. Moreover, you are free to disagree, and to pick sides, based on your own moral and political propensities and predilections. However, it is not just the COS who has seen the beam in your eye, when, self-righteously, you are so eager to call attention to the mote in your "opponent".
Talk to any guy or gal who was forced to take ritalin as a child. Mention the word torture and most will tell you that is what it felt like to be on ritalin. hyperactivity is part and parcel of being a healthy child. when children become disruptive or destructive they need discipline. And when they behave you reward them. Many find behavior or classical conditioning means we are only machines. no, because we are aware of it. forced drug social control is unconstitutional and inhumane.
emotionalinvalid 1 month ago
oh yes that anti forced psychiatric treatment libertarian, non scientology member, psychiatrist who founded cchr is Thomas Szasz md. Others who are not libertarian or have any philosophy but humanity to give include, Dr.Peter Breggin md, David Cohen PhD, Robert Whitaker("mad in america" great book), Gary Null, etc. Good patient rights orgs include mindfreedom
emotionalinvalid 1 month ago
Scientology is not my cup of tea. But the fact is libertarian psychiatrist started cchr. scientology helps fund it. all besides the point. fact is the prevailing rx psychiatry via neuroleptics(e.g.abilify, olanzazpine--new is not improved-- or the older haldol, thorazine et al) forced into those labled crazy, tortures, lifespans, and kills suddenly tens of thousands in US alone every year. at best 2% of all violence is committed by "nuts". furthermore no causal link. normal is scarry
emotionalinvalid 1 month ago
And don't tell me there's also Talk Therapy in Psychiatry, this has been deprecated, at least in the USA, in favour of the new "psychobiology paradigm". This is of course not the case if talking about Psychology.
Elrix75 1 month ago
The fact that in the brain you can observe some neurotransmitters "playing up" while someone is depressed is an effect not a cause; for instance if you are depressed cause you are unemployed, taking a pill to put back to normal some neuroransmitters is like cheating, it masks the real cause. But you know for the modern medicine and the psychiatry there's no soul, there's no mind, there's only body, brain and matter, and you have to take pills to make Big Pharma even more rich.
Elrix75 1 month ago
There are other groups against Psychiatry, aside from that what does it mean "psychiatric illness" or like? Define that please!
All diseases can be physical or mental, or psychosomatic (Diseases in the body caused by the mind). So what she's talking about?
If for treatment you mean taking pills for years masking the real cause of your problems, this is just cheating. To treat or to cure doesn't mean to heal.
Psychiatry is not responsabile for the holocaust? Tell me about Ernst Rüdin then.
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the fact so many people 'require' 'treatment' anyway proves what a failure capitalist etc systems are,
then they make it worse by trying to drug people to fit into their fake evil soul-raping systems.
this system bears no fucking relation to what real humans need in their lives.
MannySteinerBIeeky 4 months ago
@solomassage I know,its a gross violation of human rights.
crypter27 5 months ago
It's only a matter of time before the rest of the world becomes educated on the mass-propaganda tactics, which are fed to youth,scholars, and the general global public. Why such lie? Why create such a system? Easy: Population control; market control; guarunteed trade; total socio-economic manipulation. With psychiatry in action, there will never be another Great Depression. There will always be federal funding, guarunteed insurance payments, international commonground, & pharmeciutical prestige.
insidegame33 5 months ago
If you're not spending your money the way the U.S. government wants you to spend your money... If you have a dispute with your parents or loved ones. If you put your faith in a psychiatrist rather than your own free will.. You will be labeled, controlled, and possibly tortured into becoming a docile rule-abiding robot. You may even commit suicide. For all of you suffering out there, my prayers are will you and know that justice WILL be served and you WILL know yourselves and be pure again.
insidegame33 5 months ago
@solomassage I couldn't agree with you more. And the thing that keeps this industry going is the strict laws behind its absolute powers. Reminds me of the Salem witch trials of the 1600s. Just as one would accuse someone of witchcraft in those days, people are rapidly being labeled by money-hungry doctors with DSM "disorders", for which there are no proof, on a daily basis. The marketed guidelines for sanity are consumer-based "socially/economically beneficial" behavior.
insidegame33 5 months ago
Psychiatrists were major players in the nazi eugenics program and CIA experimentation on mind control. Beside this sordid history, their current crop of medications is an absolute disaster. If anyone wants to know about psychiatry just look up their drugs and techniques: ECT, lobotomy, insulin coma therapy, SSRI's, xanax, anti-psychotics, atypical antipsychotics. All of these cause brain damage and impairment. Psychiatrists are criminals. Actions speak louder than words.
scottyb453 5 months ago
@scottyb453 Cool Story, Bro.
MetalBru01 2 months ago
@MetalBru01 I don't really know what this means but everything i said was true. I will be more than happy to debate you on anything you feel is of questionable validity. If you agree with me then it is "Cool" to fully understand how corrupt psychiatry is.
scottyb453 1 month ago
@scottyb453 LOL! What a noob you are (or do you not know what that means either). When some one says "cool story bro" it means that your post is to long and boring for me to read all of it.
MetalBru01 1 month ago
The way they make it appear here is that if you oppose psychiatry, you must be a scientologist. lmao.
insidegame33 6 months ago
That the answer is NOT the implied "righteousness" of the man in the white suit who forces you on pills, scares you into thinking you're this or that for HE TOO believes the LIES that have been fed to him by his ACADEMIA. The answer, my friends, lies within YOU and YOUR SOUL..and YOUR CONNECTION with your God of worship. AMEN! Don't feed the greed!
insidegame33 6 months ago
Don't worry. All of you people who've been labeled or hurt, if your soul has been infiltrated by these morons claiming to be "doctors," I am here to show you a new light. Regardless of the situation you are in, you DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, need to be in it. Only YOU can determine YOUR destiny. Not a doctor, NOT a parent, a friend, or a family member...YOU...and it is YOU who knows the answers deep down inside your souls...That the answer is not BRAINWASHING drugs...That the answer is NOT
insidegame33 6 months ago
AS A MATERIALIST I AGREE WITH PSIQUIATRY, AS A SPIRITUALIST I AGREE WITH BUDDHISM, AS A SCIENTIST I AGREE WITH HAWKIN¨S NOTHINESS. AS A SCIENTOLOGYST I WOULD AGREE I´M A THETAN. IN ANY CASE, I RATHER GO IN BELIEVING I´M SOMETHING ELSE LIKE A SOUL THAN A PIECE OF WITS THAT RANDOMNESS BY ACCIDENT CREATED SOME BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO AND THEREFORE I AM AN INNOCENT GUY IRRESPONSIBLE OF WHATEVER I AM. MATERIALISM IS WHAT PSYCHIATRY IS ALL ABOUT. THEY BELIEVE WE ARE NOTHING BUT "ORGANIZED MUD" . NICE A.
Racsonify 6 months ago
As a former victim of forced child drugging I have no love for psychiatry so I support cchr & I'm not a Scientologist!
crypter27 6 months ago
There's nothing like a group of extremist culties who believe your body is infested with body thetans and that shouting at ash trays improves communication to tell you how bad psychiatry is!
laserofjustice 7 months ago
Few things unify a group like a common bogey man to hate and fear. The Nazis had the Jews; $cientology has psychiatrists.
NevilleRhysBarnes 9 months ago
@halobenders84 - Start with a book called Sexual Sabatoge by Dr. Judith Reisman. And I also have detailed documentation as to how the APA removed homosexuality from their DSM list of disorders that shows the APA to be a non-credible organization.
funk7000 9 months ago
@funk7000
They removed homosexuality because now they don't classify it as a disorder. What other detailed documentation is there?
Gmmm 7 months ago
@Gmmm Do you know how they came to that conclusion and decison of removal? I have much info on it, but you'll have to message me on my inbox to get it. Be prepared to do about a chapter's worth of reading though
funk7000 7 months ago
Death to $cientology's policy of acting. Anon will not stop until you change your ways. Knowledge is free. $cientology is a scam. Expect us in the future.
suckmynickname 9 months ago
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L Ron Hubbard was given Vistaril® by Dr. Gene Denk in his final days, by intramuscular injection in the right buttocks. Vistaril® is a psychiatric drug, used to calm frantic or overly anxious patients. He died on January 24th, 1986, eight days after the fatal stroke, and one day after signing his last will and testament. He died in a 1982 Blue Bird motor home, about five miles East of Creston, CA, at the very remote "Emanuel Camp". His fingernails and toenails were long and unkempt.
crowley611 10 months ago
Mental illness can affect not just an individual but family and friends. It can be hard to accept for some, hence when people are in such a fragile emotional state and go looking for answers they can be sucked in by the sensationalist propaganda of the Scientology think tank, reinforcing their desire for such mental health conditions to simply not exist.
CCHR is a prime example of how Scientology exploits the fear and anxiety of the vulnerable!
whoisspeaker4truth 10 months ago
why don't the scientologists get some aliens to heal us. NO ONE listened to scientologists
9lorac 11 months ago
we´re so blinded by the power these "professionals" have in the world today, that we just go along with whatever they say, even though they haven´t any proof for mental illnesses, but it´s very comfortable for society to have an organism "mental health section" in order to keep the different people out of the way of the mainstream society.we´ve been so bombarded by propaganda of these powerful people that we believe they have the magic pill to solve all the erratic problems in the world.
annaynely 11 months ago
@steeeeever You seem a little confused there. What I said was accurate, what you said is inaccurate. Tell me the studies that show these are 'real' diseases. Tell me JUST ONE study that proves the 'chemical imbalance' theory. They been looking to prove a biological or genetic basis for schizophrenia for over 100 years and STILL haven't found anything. They do NOT understand what these 'illnesses' are in the slightest. And the info 'they' (psychiatry, APA, media) put out is false. Its marketing.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
Yeah right...........
bermudatriangle83 1 year ago
I don't agree with Scientologists and think it's corrupt, but the APA is no different.
funk7000 1 year ago
Most of the scientific and psychiatric community has been compromised gradually starting in the early 1900s and then really more prominently so starting in the late 60s early 70s. For example, many people think the American Psychiatric Association is the expert and final say when it comes to issues of psychology. Dig deeper and you'll find that the APA's decisions are almost always based on political agendas and profits for Big Pharma, and has been like that since the early 70s
funk7000 1 year ago
Psychiatry is just a tool to dull and kill people "legally" used by the Nazi-Eugenics-Globalists!
It's a Scam! It's a crime!
Yes, there are insane people that need help,
but Psychiatry is not the solution.
schnudderi 1 year ago
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@schnudderi Stupid, please.
CCHR is a group of bed wetting bleeding heart nonsense talkers.
It is 2011. Wake up and smell the coffee.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
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@TheBornAnnoyed
...and they will piss in your coffee
schnudderi 1 year ago
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@schnudderi lmao.
Cheers.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
TWO WORDS: HOLISTIC DOCTOR!!! Unfortunately most psychiatrists don't embrace vitamins, minerals, herbs, and nutrition. Most kids on ADD medicine live on junk food. Give me a break.
birdiehats 1 year ago
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TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed Yes, you are right. They live in an overstimulated world with video games, movies, and TV and that too causes ADD and parents yelling at them- various things.
birdiehats 1 year ago
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@birdiehats Yes.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
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@birdiehats ONE WORD: WRONG!!!
You are incorrect in you assumption that "most psychiatrists....blah blah blah." Most kids on ADD are hyper manic and OVER stimulated, thanks to the world we live in today.
Peace.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
There you go you lying bitch. READ THAT. Fucking lying bitch.
psychcrimereporter.wordpress dotcom /2010/12/08/german-psychiatric-assocation-admits-nazi-psychiatrists-role-in-holocaust-era-crimes/
Fuk You.
robyonder 1 year ago
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@robyonder are you talking to me? : (
waaaaaaa.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
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@robyonder .....and btw, happy new year.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
I am reading alot of ignorant posts here from people, complaining about how they believe Psychiatrists dispense medication way too much.... blah blah blah. Fact is this is Legal, and Necessary. Now you ALL know people (maybe even yourselves) who do street drugs. Alot of script drugs wind up as street drugs, and they're sold lucratively. Street drugs are far more highly addictive, expensive, and have more horrendous side effects than any pharmaceutical. GROW THE FUCK UP.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed I don't believe it is necessary. People need to express their emotions, not live on mind numbing brain medicine. I don't care if is this is legal. Slavery and prohibiting women from voting used to be legal- does that make these things right?
birdiehats 1 year ago
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@birdiehats I'm sorry but you don't think what is necessary? Yes, people do need to express their emotions. Trust me that I do not believe in having someone pop a pill for every ailment. I happen to be anti medicine. I was fighting the flu over Christmas week, I believe I had an infection....but I freed it without the use or need for anti biotics. Your analogy is very weak. And I'm not feeling up for disputing it with ya.
Maybe another time.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed If pharmeceutical drugs really worked than any survey would reveal (with all the drugs going around) that the American population woul be happier and the schools would be doing better. Any survey will not reveal them to be happier and more well off then they were 50 years ago. And the grades in the schools are declining so the drugs they are giving to handle the kids ADHD or whatever else obviously aren't the answer.
Cybernerd9000 4 months ago
@Cybernerd9000 But no, that would be in a perfect world where psychiatry and science discovered everything and know everything.
But we don't know everything.
NakedCreep 4 months ago
I wish psychiatry had but one throat. I encourage all psychiatrists to explore the universe without a space suit.
gt024 1 year ago
@gt024 ..and I encourage all $ci Faggots to DIE.
Cheers.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
I am not gonna call each one of you CULTists out.
Keep believing in your Dungeon of $cientology....LMAO.
God Bless You.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
ANY MORON WHO BELIEVES PSYCHIATRY KILLS NEEDS TO BE ON SOME TYPE OF SSRI...OR ANTI-PSYCHOTIC MEDICATION.
FACT.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed Why should they be on psychiatric meds if they believe psychiatry kills? So the meds can kill them? Or produce irreversible neurological damage called tardive dyskinesia or akinesia? Which, if you were halfway intelligent, would know antipsychotic medications can and do cause.
So a difference of opinion to that of psychiatry makes one 'mentally ill'? Yep, cause a different opinion is 'bad' and 'wrong' right? Lets drug everyone that thinks for themselves. That'll fix 'em.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 .." Why should they be on psychiatric meds if they believe psychiatry kills? So the meds can kill them?" ... Well honey, I guess thatz an oXymoron. THEY should be on medz...simply becuz it can help them form clearer thoughts...and function as semi~smart individuals. So YOU think if these scumbags get medicated that it'z gonna KILL THEM?!!! GREAT. Let them OVERDOSE on these medz. This way they can join L.Ron Hubby... in HeLL.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed Actually in most cases meds produce emotional flattening, and increase disruptive thoughts. Anti-depressant meds often INCREASE suicidal ideation. There are some that choose to take them yes, but there is also an increasing amount that don't take them because it makes them feel worse and makes it harder for them to think and concentrate.
So if your reasoning is for them to take meds is to function as semi-smart individuals perhaps you should take some. You obviously need it.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed And did you just call those diagnosed as mentally ill as 'scumbags'? Wow, you'll be a great asset to the labeling and drugging community that is psychiatry. Abuse them then drug them. Your fantastic spelling will also be an asset.
CCHR may not do it, but psychiatry will be exposed, and it will be soon. They've put peoples lives at risk for far to long, and it's all been for profit and social control.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ...LULZ.....ALL I'm gonna say to you Skag is you are funny, and not smart. Keep peddlin' your $cientology beliefs. And you're very inaccurate with your BED WETTING BLEEDING HEART BULLSHIT.
Go get educated FooL. and LEARN THE TRUTH.
CIAO.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
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@Ragnarok187 ..."And did you just call those diagnosed as mentally ill as 'scumbags?" ... and don't put words into my mouth, you manipulative freak of nature. I'm a Social Worker...LOL....among many other things.
You're Up.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
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@TheBornAnnoyed This is a direct quote from your previous comment. "So YOU think if these scumbags get medicated that it'z gonna KILL THEM?!!! GREAT. Let them OVERDOSE on these medz. This way they can join L.Ron Hubby... in HeLL." I'm not putting words in your mouth, you did that yourself. You called the 'mentally ill' scumbags and said it would be great if they overdosed so they could go to hell.
I'm sure you're a fantastic social worker. Abuse them then charge them to 'treat' them.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed You're a social worker. If you really want to help people don't throw drugs at their symptoms. Look for the underlying cause of the problem and treat that. In almost all cases of all 'disorders', the cause can be traced back to family problems, bullying, sexual abuse, trauma, induced fear etc. Teach them skills to help them cope with and deal with THAT issue, don't label them and drug them. Labels do NOT help those being labeled, and drugs have a whole range of dangerous effects.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ..I am not licensed, nor do I have the degree, to dispense scripts, for meds. Yet. Last time... psych meds alleviate symptoms, and this benefit far outweighs the potential risk of side effects. I truly understand underlying causes for mental illness, and I address these on a regular basis. I wish you well in your studies. You are smart. And I'm sorry I was so hard on ya, early on. I just thought you were some dumb bitch...lol. Be well....and healthy. :)
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed Yes, psych meds can alleviate symptoms, but they treat the symptoms, not the cause. Hence the analogy of morphine for a broken leg.
Thank you for the apology, and I apologize too if I caused any offense. I understand all these concepts to an extremely large degree, due to study and my own personal experiences.
I'm on holidays now from uni, but instead of partying or drinking I'm researching and writing articles.
Take care, and all the best with your work.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ... I'm done with ya SKaG... I got me bigger fish to fry.
Peace.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
Psychiatry claims it has effective treatment? That 'mental illness' is a disease and treatable? rofl. Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'. And she claims to put 'accurate' information out through the media? It's all marketing. This information is not accurate. It's to sell drugs. They omit negative results such as suicide rates, alter the results to make them look better and ghost-write these articles. There is no other medical profession based on psuedo-science.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ..You are so STUPID. Keep swallowing LR HUBBAND'S CUM...
You RAG SKAG....are one of the simplist human beings I have ever read anything from.
Cheers.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed It's kinda funny that psychiatrists and those who support psychiatry are absolutely obsessed with labeling others. I'm not, never have been, nor ever will be a scientologist. But you don't sound overly intelligent. It has been said that psychiatrists label anyone who is against psychiatry as a scientologist (which you just did) because CoS has such a bad rep. And so it should. I don't believe in anything the church does or represents. CCHR offers info about PSYCHIATRY, not CoS.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 .."It's kinda funny that psychiatrists and those who support psychiatry are absolutely obsessed with labeling others. I'm not, never have been, nor ever will be a scientologist" ... What I am obsessed about iz calling a Spade.. a Spade. You not a $cient ?... lmao... Yeah, typical banter from your kind. Denying that you are just that.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed And again, just like psychiatry, you're obsessed with labeling others. You know absolutely nothing about me, not my name, age, where I live, nothing, yet you think you know enough about me to call me a scientologist? Sorry buddy, like I said, I'm not nor ever have been. I don't support CoS, but I do support the work CCHR does because it's against the use of dangerous drugs and flawed labels.
Psychiatry has an extremely high rate of misdiagnosis, and just like them, you do too.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 You know what Skaggy? I came back here. I never had read all your inaccurate, pro $cifag ramblings. You wanna go at it? With me? BTW, I am a woman, as I assume you are too. You are uneducated, you read liberal nonsense and try to spew it back out as Truth. Come see me, when you're ready to open that small, frightened mind of yours. I could teach ya. Peace.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 .."Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'." I just can't seem to let this alone. Again...Stop posting bullshit. You speak very ignorantly. Just because someone you know offed themselves while on the wrong medicine perhaps doesn't give you any claim in your postings. Go back to Pre K. You need to start over.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed It's not bullshit. Pharma meds HAVEN'T 'cured' a single mental illness. Tell me ONE that they have CURED. Tell me ONE 'mental illness' that psychiatry has CURED (not just treated). And I'm not the ignorant one. All your responses are abuse and labeling me a scientologist (which once again, I'm not). But you can't seem to stop labeling people, even when that label is completely inaccurate. You even assumed I'm a woman, which by the way, I'm not. Another case of misdiagnosis?
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ..Pharm meds have never claimed to CURE mental illness. It claims to keep symptoms under control. Tell me... do you not know of anyone who has been relieved of their symptomatic behaviors due to taking an ssri....or anti-psychotic med? If not, you are lucky....or you're lying.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed Once again, look at the quote of what I originally said, and your response. ""Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'." I just can't seem to let this alone. Again...Stop posting bullshit. "
I said they have not cured a single mental illness. You said that was bullshit. But then you just stated here that they never claimed to be a cure. I did say they never cured any mental illness, which by your admission, I was accurate, but you said it was bullshit.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ...ok. Bottom line. Psych Meds help....many. They save lives. So does ECT treatments. Whats next?
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed Yes, psych meds have helped people. They can also increase the risk of suicide. They have also been attributed to sudden death. They can also produce the symptoms that are used to diagnose the illness in the first place, or produce other symptoms which are then diagnosed as another illness and more drugs are given as 'treatment'.
As for ECT, anywhere else that is considered torture. Strapping a person down and giving them high doses of electricity AGAINST THEIR WILL is torture.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ...LMAO... Honey... i debated this "theory" that ECT is torture on another forum.. "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"... months ago. I cannot explain it all here, again. I can send it to you if you'd like.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ....and i do believe that if people with mental illness stay on their meds, they can be "cured". Not all. Many stop at their own volition...and then they become sick again. Sad when this happens, but it does all too frequently.
Peace.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed So a person who STAYS on their meds can be cured? No, that's just continued treatment. A person with cancer getting radiation therapy is being treated for cancer. It's not until the cancer is gone and the treatment can stop that the person is considered cured.
The reason ppl stop their drugs is cause of the side-effects. And the rate of relapse is HIGHER on drug treatments than other non-drug treatments. So the withdrawal and relapse is BECAUSE of the drugs.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ..No. Sorry, but you have been misled.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed And yes, I do know of ppl that have had their symptoms relieved by medications. I've also known ppl that have gotten much worse. And like you said, it keeps their SYMPTOMS under control. That's like treating a broken leg with a shot of morphine. The symptom of pain is under control but it doesn't fix the problem. It just creates a life-time user of the drug. That's better than actually treating and fixing the problem is it?
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 ..SSRI's and anti-psych meds are not addicting. The benzo's are a different story. They act and affect the brain differently. Pain killer med addiction is brutal. and abused way too often. Thank you Dr. House.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed You're right, SSRI's aren't as addictive as benzo's, but they can lead to suicidal preoccupation, paranoia, and occasionally violence.
As for anti-psychotics, yep those are fantastic. Oh, except for the fact they can cause IRREVERSIBLE neurological damage and produce Parkinson's disease like symptoms called as Akinesia and Tardive Dyskinesia. Look them up.
Thank you Dr. Death.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 I wasn't talking to you when i said Thank you Dr. House, you know that, right?
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
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@Ragnarok187 "can cause IRREVERSIBLE neurological damage and produce Parkinson's disease like symptoms called as Akinesia and Tardive Dyskinesia.".. Well, i don't know about that... BUT, the symptoms that are relieved from psych meds FAR OUTWEIGH the risks or potential dangers that these meds can cause. I don't believe it anyway.... I believe you have been absorbing too much anti-psych literature. Are you a student?
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed I'm a psychology student. Most of the textbooks do mention the effectiveness of drugs, but they also mention the dangers. The irreversible neurological damage and akinesia and tardive dyskinesia are in the textbooks. It took years before it was acknowledged and accepted those drugs can cause it, even with the mounting evidence. I don't look for 'anti-psychiatry' literature, I look at the literature that offers effective treatment which is mostly non-drug and has less side-effects
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed "Psychiatry and pharma meds have not cured a single 'mental illness'." Oh but auditing (to read: screaming at them for hours on end) them and a diet of vegetables will cure schizophrenia?!? for someone who claims to have all that education the things you're advocating are just stupid and dangerous! Sure proven medications developed by scientists only treat the symptoms but name one disease or syndrome that following a failed science fiction writer ever cured!
therealmadwombat 1 year ago
@therealmadwombat ... You posted the wrong person. Perhaps you didn't have your eyeglasses on.
And if it is me you meant to post, you are not making any sense.
~Peace.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@therealmadwombat These so called 'mental illnesses' aren't illnesses and aren't diseases. The APA president calls them 'diseases'. They aren't. They don't know what schizophrenia is. They've been looking for physical brain and gene defects for over a century and still not found anything. The 'chemical imbalance' theory has zero evidence to support it. Drugs and electroshock are not 'effective treatment'. The information they (psychiatry) puts out is not accurate. And no, I'm not a scientologist
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@Ragnarok187 I'm not sure why I'd have to point this out but I was using the term "illness" in a colloquial sense. Picking at semantics doesn't prove the $ci-fags right! The same people that scream that the psychiatric community are just in it for the money are the ones who claim that they can "cure" several serious disorders by charging someone $12,000 to yell at them for two hours! Sure, psychiatry isn't a fine science but at least they've gone through years of intensive study on the subject!
therealmadwombat 1 year ago
@therealmadwombat Okay fair enough, you didn't use the term 'illness' in the same way that psychiatry does. But what you and most people fail to notice is that the info presented by CCHR is referenced and sourced from psychologists and psychiatrists, peer reviewed articles, and books/textbooks. They don't reference scientologists. CCHR just pools the info together. The info is out there. By focusing on them being scientologists you fail to pay attention to the information.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago
@therealmadwombat I don't agree with scientologists or their views and don't agree with how they attempt to 'help' people. Like you said, charging someone thousands and yelling at them is wrong. But they aren't the only other option. What about psychology? Psychotherapy? Talking & understanding? Nutrition? Exercise?
There is not just psychiatry/drugs & scientology. Take your blinders off. Psychology uses the same types of theories & research as psychiatry, but it's non-drug AND it's effective.
Ragnarok187 1 year ago 2
APA are criminals, I'll prove it to you,
Although i can appreciate their fight against stupid scientology,
They done nothing but promote their own agenda and care not for the rights of free thinking/critical thinking and the rights of patients to oppose the psychiatric way,
and on their way to bash scientology not only they stigmatized their patients, they went even further into providing and educating their "anons etc" into attacking each individual and stigmatize him as a sceintologist.
telewebservices 1 year ago
Hate campaign my ass. These so called doctors shovel pills down peoples throat til they turn into vegetables and homocidal maniacs. Amerikkka sits back and attacks Scientology while creating a distraction for these ss nazi trained butchers to electricut & drug our brothers and sisters everyday. Now we can wake up and do something about this or go back to sleep. Ever wonder why the only things you can find on youtube about Scientology are negative attacks. They dont want you to be free. WAKE UP!!
gt024 1 year ago
@gt024 LOL! At covert Scientologist!
TheEvilOfScientology 1 year ago
@TheEvilOfScientology Nah. I aint gotta hide "anonymous". You got nerve. "Covert"? Well if that aint the pot calling the kettle black.
gt024 1 year ago
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YOU PEOPLE SUCK AND THERE IS NO EFFECTIVE TREATMENT LIARS
DETROITBULLET 1 year ago
yOU PEOPLE SUCK AND THERE IS NO EFFECTIVE TREATMENT LIARS
DETROITBULLET 1 year ago
@DETROITBULLET Please grow a brain, there's a good boy.
TheEvilOfScientology 1 year ago
It's nice to see the APA respond to Scientology's BS campaign against a legitimate branch of the medical sciences.
M.D. >>>> Moronic Bleetings of $cientology Sheep.
Mattyouarebeingglib 1 year ago
PSYCHIATRY KILLS!
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mykhan2002 1 year ago
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YouSuckPeriod 1 year ago
@YouSuckPeriod Damn that's a good username. Scientology sucks.
eBiology 1 year ago
What do you think? A chemical could solve the problems of life? A chemical could solve problems that lie in the field of learning, beliefs, emotions, relationships and decisions? A chemical could solve social problems? What two chemicals could do?
But Perlimpimpim powder, it exists only in fairy tales. Psychiatric drug ads maintained by industry lobbies and their minions. I hope it is not in the process of producing generations of candidates for dialysis.
hari7421 1 year ago
once search about "psychiatry proof" in Google .
hari7421 1 year ago
how can a mentally ill patient (and without any physical illness ) die in a mental health institution without any self harm ?
almost all psychiatric drugs cause terrible constipation and Gastroenterological disorders to some people .
hari7421 1 year ago
infact most psychiatrists suffer from one or other kind mental illness , new kind of pollution is emerging due to excessive use of these psychiatric drugs polluting water bodies .this polluting is entering into living organisms thus causing more and more mental illnesses .INFACT THERE ARE SADISTS AND SERIAL KILLERS IN PSYCHIATRY AND MEDICAL PROFESSION so we have to be very careful with these people(psychiatrists and doctors) .
hari7421 1 year ago
i don't know about Scientology , i don't think frying a persons brain with ect can cure psychiatric illnesses .i am not saying mental illnesses aren't real but i strongly agree many(99% of psychiatrists) are over drugging people.it became huge business .
hari7421 1 year ago 2
i don´t like C.O.S. but...in the other corner, i see psychiatrists as cinical people, who love to diagnose you in a million ways and making you feel "ill", just to justify their obsesion for money and domination feelings.
veroSonica 1 year ago
Scientologist dont hate psychiatrists individually, we just dont like what they do collectively. If they (psychiatrists and drug companies) stop their war with drugs on the population of the world then there is no major issue.
costy1511 1 year ago
@TTEchidna No, but they sure dish it out!
whiff1962 1 year ago
It's called a strawman attack. It's the same thing as the main stream media brainwashing people that "socialism is the code word for racism." Or if you are against paying higher and higher and higher taxes, then you are a right-wing-extremist, or a terrorist. And that's all it is, plain and simple.
Now, it is a fact that the guys face on the seal of the APA is the founder of the APA and he was a racist. He invented the mental illness called "niggertude".
survivor030406 1 year ago
this is another quack!
pdbird23 1 year ago
these idiot doctors should pay for the people they hurt ! i lost my life several times going near psychiatry these heartless doctors need to be in JAIL!!!!
pdbird23 1 year ago
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Evil doctors impersonating- helpful respectable citizens.
Psychiatry has noose around it's neck but its hands in the pockets of ordinary people, suckered into believing the act of playing God with somebody's brain detached from frailty and proven destruction is righteous. The Psych's own family grow up healthy lets hope... though torment and inevitable death is tighening it's hold on the industry.
roottherm01 1 year ago
heh, as stupid as this seems. there are lies stemming from both sides of this debate. partly on the side on the APA and the big Pharma companies, and partly the cchr. But of course your typical protester tends to fall toward the extreme, in reality i think the average person is split down the middle on this issue. hearing both sides and not really knowing where to disagree.
aquarobinson 1 year ago
being against giving psychiatric drugs to kids = hate group!? Before i would put my kid on these drugs I would demand some sort of scientific test (blood test, brain scan, biopsy, etc.) like 'real' doctors would use, not just some subjective opinion.
gazzer00 1 year ago
The problem of overprescription/overdiagnosis does not mean that these disorders to not exist. There is more evidence, research, and real human suffering to support them than their is evidence of Scientology. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Debunktress 1 year ago 3
There is many kind of depressions that you can have. Medications in itself can give depression, you can get an depression if you loose a family member, you can get an depression if you have a bad job where you feel you are worthless, you can get an depression if you feel loneliness etc. etc.
globe255 1 year ago
Does she really believe what she's saying about CCHR or is that her way of defending the practice. Look at thier president and board of advisors. Ive been a patient and aware of some of the problems with Psychiatry, so this is definitly bull. Dont know or care about Scientology, not religious, but CCHR does have valitity and telling people CCHR is just a hate group is a sham that dodges the issues they would like addressed
The5thAveMonster 1 year ago
lmao !!! cleo's netowork dosent like scientology
pentaxsubversion 1 year ago
psychiatry IS BAD, that old bitch needs to shut her fucking mouth
p.s I aint a scientologist!
writertrump 1 year ago
People are increasingly dismayed with the APA is because of things like the recent DSM 5 draft/proposal lumping unique disorders into something called the "autism spectrum disorder." This illuminates reckless and ignorant disregard for the realities of real autism as seen in videos I posted 'autism spectrum seems out of control." Psychiatry is not equipped to handle complexities of autism, hence they give up and create a 'spectrum" to toss everyone and their grandma into it...not good
kgaccount 1 year ago
Psychiatry doesn't know how the drugs work in the brain or what the definition of a chemical imbalance is, other than just saying a person has one becuase they act a certain way or feel sad. (Don't believe me when I say this, look it up for yourself).
Therefore there is no scientific evidence that psychiatric medication causes people to commit suicide, shoot up their school, go insane, psychotic, manic etc
...or that it doesn't
Yimmery 2 years ago
You sir, are, quite simply, an idiot.
If you want to be able to say ANYTHING that has any real relevance, go and learn what you're talking about beforehand.
Psychiatry is, I'll admit, a harder to understand science than most, but it has saved lives, a fact I have personally witnessed.
Have your opinions, no matter how idiotic they may be, but do NOT poison the minds of others who may watch this.
BassDestruction666 1 year ago 3
@BassDestruction666 The first of my previous two posts has facts which are verifiable. I am sorry that my post was significant enough to irk you to reply telling me to state facts while not stating any yourself. In truth I take no offence to you I can tell your situation, but at the same time this is no reason to tread lightly to the detriment of the many. I'm not going to get into an argument you dont need that, so good luck and take some vitamins, get adequate sunlight and exercise etc...
Yimmery 1 year ago
I dont like Gordon Brown either but if he said Hitler was evil, I wouldn't say Hitler was good because I dont like Gordon Brown.
Not everything that opposes psychiatry is scientology (that would be rediculous) The articles over 2009 in the (UK) main stream media such as the one about antidepressants making under 25's more than twice as likely to commit suicide (on black box warning now), they are not scientology, it took over a decade and millions of people on them before this came to light.
Yimmery 2 years ago
And Scientology never hurts anyone right! Hmms nope case not proven. Scientology is a Cult, do not like that fact Tough!
scotschic 2 years ago
scientology is a quack religion/cult because it forces people to PAY for it and anyone who speaks against it has some underlying ulterior motive
threadysparrow 2 years ago 2
Not only does it force its members to pay for its courses, they bullbait protestors, harass critics, disconnect families. It is not just critics who are targeted, Look at the list of TV Networks they have targeted, News Channels etc. They even try to censor the internet! They have something to hide if they are going to these great lengths to stop anyoneposting something about them.
scotschic 2 years ago 3
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i cant believe how pathetic this so called president of the apa is...she just hopes that people would not believe the non sense while she acts as helpless. get rid of her as your president
chxwv 2 years ago
This APA bitch employs so many logical fallacies in this interview, because of course anyone who is against psychiatric treatment options are either Scientologists or believe people with mental disorders are "lazy" or are "not praying enough."
No, there are many of us who don't take metal disorders lightly, who aren't scientologists and who don't believe in your Machiavellian "treatment" for too many reasons to get into in this short comment. In summary, this cunt should be put down.
psychawareness 2 years ago
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She should be put down only because she knows what she is doing and is hurting millions of people in the process.
psychawareness 2 years ago
@psychawareness
Xenu?
www4funzCom 2 years ago
You must have me confused for someone else.
psychawareness 2 years ago
your right, thumbs up for me. Yes there are certainly cases where people need and if anything should be forced to take drugs before they hurt themselves or others but all these Psychs dont have any other tools except drugs! all they do if your unlucky to go to one of these guys with something minor like anxiety, or so called ADD or depression is get druged to your eye balls sometimes for the rest of your life which is greatly shortened by all the crap your getting your liver to digest
S0undBite 2 years ago
Have you seen the new TV advert for Pristiq? I think all of you should, particularly the 2nd half.
Yimmery 2 years ago
@psychawareness So much anger, you sound like you could use psychiatric evaluation yourself! If your best argument against the opinions of the vast majority of the scientific community is "this cunt should be put down" that is just sad. Millions of people are helped and lives are saved and you think they should just stop their psychiatric treatments? Sorry, vitamins and herbs aren't going to put a dent in serious problems such as depression and schizophrenia!
lakestorm11 1 year ago
Members of scientology need psychiatry urgently. To un-brainwash requiers a specialists, patience , medication and in their case electro-shocks.
I don't hate their members - I pity them.
BK
Bkorczak 2 years ago
its like a catch 22. they dont believe in it but they need it, and to use it they need to believe in it
threadysparrow 2 years ago
What would sigmund freud say about a grown man jumping around on couch?
1976Skynet 2 years ago 3
@1976Skynet What do you think he would say?
marsCubed 2 years ago 2
Probably the same thing he said about human behavior, namely: that ALL human behavior, at its core, is neurotic or psychotic. This, of course, casts a most sinister shadow over the entire range of human behavioral dispositions and responses, and is most cynical.
whiff1962 2 years ago
maybe we could ask him over a couple of lines wherever he is? ;)
kaosXC 1 year ago
Drugs may not be the ultimate answer, but they do help thousands of people including my friends. However Scientology doesn't only want to raise awareness of drugs, they want to destroy psychiatry and instead put people on their cures of auditing. They believe almost every health and brain disease is only in your mind, even things like heart attacks and AIDS. I find it disturbing that this all started because L Ron was angry psychologists wouldn't accept Dianetics. Way to be petty Ron.
ChicagoAnonymous 2 years ago 8
HAVE U EVEN READ ANYTHING L. RON HUBBARD WROTE? I DONT THINK U HAVE. I DONT THINK U WILL EITHER. I THINK UR HAPPY LISTENING TO THE IGNORANT RANTS OF PEOPLE WHOS WHOLE KNOWLEDGE OF THE RELIGION COMES FROM A CARTOON. ENJOY YOUR NASCAR AND CHEETOES. THIS MIGHT BE OVER YOUR HEAD
gt024 1 year ago
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@gt024 Why are you so stupid? Have you ever read ANY book :)
TheEvilOfScientology 1 year ago
@gt024 The button you're looking for is Caps Lock. It's on the bottom left above the Shift Key. You see, typing in all Caps doesn't make it true that an alien hydrogen bombed your thetan in a volcano. I have read plenty by "Dr." Hubbard, "CE" "PhD" and the more I read the more I recognize the obvious incogruence with logic, reason and science. Scientologists claim that dianetics raised people's IQ's, clearly it does quite the contrary.
nelsogg85 1 year ago
@nelsogg85 You mad cause your daddy gt024 do what he wanna do? Go to your room and dont come out til you stop acting like a lil bitch. Keep talking, I'ma drop your ass in a volcano. Now stop lying to people about how you know how to read.
gt024 1 year ago
@gt024 ...Come to me, little stupid bitch.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed You mean come on you. Give me a minute. I'm not done with your mom yet
gt024 1 year ago
@gt024 ..ooohhh, gotta love the droid alerts. this way i can reply to people in a timely manner. Now listen, sonny, I am just gettin done sitting on your father's face. Are you done with my mom yet? CuM to Me, you cocKsucKin' SKAG.
Have an enjoyable evening.....wenKin it. :))
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed OK. I'm done. Your turn. You want it on the face or on your ass.
gt024 1 year ago
@gt024 ....neither. in my MOUTH.
now i find these alerts daunting. Go away. Bye.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed sittin on an old mans face?? BUT you can SIT ON MINE!!!! baby u know I want u so bad!! I just wish u wasnt so crazy!
smethious 1 year ago
@gt024 Hiya gt... How's my mum doing? Now listen.. You asked if someone ever read anything by LRon Hubby Nubby? Fuck No! I am burning every copy of anything he ever scribbled. And I am proceeding to get ALL his works, BANNED FROM BARNES & NOBLE.
Cheers.
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed HEY L ron hubbard suck donkey balls!!!
smethious 1 year ago
@smethious ...and donkey dick.
hehehe
TheBornAnnoyed 1 year ago
@TheBornAnnoyed hey baby
smethious 1 year ago
@ChicagoAnonymous There are real concerns that psychiatry brings up, and it isn't just the COS that voices this. As far as I see it, psychiatry has every right and duty, collectively and individually, to protect its turf. The church and state is no longer the pardigm; now it is medicine (psychiatry) and state, As far as I know, medicine treats the disease; psychiatry treats the person. Actually, psychiatry would much rather have patients. The COS deflects attention, and is a propaganda windfall.
whiff1962 1 year ago
Scientology sees psychaitrists and psychologists as business competetors.
DrHarryDickman 2 years ago 2
No they see them as a threat! Any $cientologist that goes to a Psychologist would see their "Religion" for the insane farce that it is and seek help instead of throwing buckets of money at the "church" to cure them of the dead aliens stuck to them!
therealmadwombat 2 years ago 4
That's what the delusional little fish in the Scientology sea would discover. The big fish, who are too smart to believe the nonsense they preach, are in it for the money and hide the truth about psychiatric care, know how quick they're business can vanish.
DrHarryDickman 2 years ago 2
@therealmadwombat But you are for freedom of ideas, right? That is what it comes down to. If one chooses to medicalize problems of living and social conflict, or not, that should be the individual's decision. Moreover, you are free to disagree, and to pick sides, based on your own moral and political propensities and predilections. However, it is not just the COS who has seen the beam in your eye, when, self-righteously, you are so eager to call attention to the mote in your "opponent".
whiff1962 1 year ago
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