I'm vegan and this is still stupid. biologically, it makes sense for humans to eat meat, as we have a reduced cecum (common amongst carnivores), which is the part of our body that breakdowns plant material. We are meant to eat meat but we don't have to only because we understand nutrition enough to cut it out as a necessity. The problem isn't that we eat meat; the problem is that we eat meat to an excess our bodies aren't meant for.
We cannot allow the ignorance on both sides of the argument to cloud the truth that both veganism and omnivorism CAN be healthy if moderated and fully understood instead of spreading half truths or pseudo science.
Why is everyone arguing here so much ? I am personally a raw-vegan, and I do not give one shit about what people eat and do to their bodies. I get my blood tested very often, my doctor says it's the best blood he's ever seen. My skin is glowing and smooth, I eat as much as i want and still stay toned and fit, i am always energized and don't have to worry about calories like many others do. I feel great, if you want to eat animals and animal by product, be my guest .
From the get-go, this flick assumes that all mammals are artiodactylomorpha. Hominids simply do not belong to this group, therefore the logic is irreversibly flawed.
The 'facts' are also just simply wrong.
There's nothing wrong with being vegan if it works for you. There's a lot of things wrong with being vegan if it doesn't. The same is true for non-vegans.
Humans see quite well at night. The fact that many people don't realize this is artificial light pollution. Humans can also hunt and kill without using weapons. Humans are the world's best long-distance runners. Humans have a high muscle-density rating. Humans are incredibly agile and quick due to the workings of our spine and hips.
@Stirgid "Humans can also hunt and kill without using weapons." Why not upload a vid of you doing just that? Run down, strangle or beat any other mammal to death, and eat it bloody, wormy and raw, without weapons, tools, or fire. I would like to see you live as a predator without weapons. I would like to see any human try it. Me, I don't have to guess anymore, I wanted to know the truth and found it by paying attention.
Uhuh. Sure. Because it isn't that I have no training whatsoever and am not a modern person who spends their life mainly at behind a computer, getting food from a grocery store.
I have actually caught and killed a duck barehanded, once, on a survival weekend. We cooked it, though. However, that was one of those 'once-in-a-lifetime' things. Oh, and I've caught sheep for the sheering, using only my hands (for the catching, not the sheering).
@Stirgid "Oh, and I've caught sheep for the sheering, using only my hands (for the catching, not the sheering)." You miss the point. Live like a predator, and see if it is possible for humans. You have to pay others to be predators for you. It is a strange way to live, like being a shadow of a man.
"Run down, strangle or beat any other mammal to death, and eat it bloody"
There are other liveforms then mammals on this planet, like fish you can fish with your bare hands. You can eat insects and reptiles and eggs and small birds, all without any tool just like our ancestors did for thousands of years.
You can even use sticks and stones like Chimps do as they also use tools to hunt.
Why do we need to explain such childish stuff to you...
If being a vegan doesn't work for you, there are severe health risks involved. Scurvy is one of them. If it does work for you, there's no problem. That was pretty much the point.
@Stirgid You are confused. Scurvy is lack of vitamin C. Fruits and veggies are loaded with vitamin C. Scurvy is what will kill you quickly if you try to eat nothing but animal products. Right?
@scibat Do you have any facts to back up your opinions? Seriously, I would like to examine this with you to learn the truth. Are you interested in learning the truth?
@AngelCraftNetwork "Why would we need teeth that can pierce skin.... We have axes that do the job just fine..." To demonstrate that it is not only barbarism that causes you to rape and torture animals for pleasure, but perhaps show that you are a predator otherwise, without the weapons. I am perfectly equipped naturally to eat and live without a single weapon, tool, or fire. Can you?
@AngelCraftNetwork It was stated to explain that our jaws/teeth are not intended to eat the raw meat that humans would have had eaten before the discovery of fire.
4:00 there's plenty of people who eat raw meat and never get sick from bacteria. some even eat old rotten meat. one could only get stupider from watching this video. this video is full of shit biased facts lol. DO NOT WASTE TIME WITH IT ;)
lol the second point is also very weak. i see where this video is headed... to trash already after 1min of watching it seems. oh well i'll keep watching more. carnivores are equipped with special skills, and in our case this is our ability to think and outsmart our prey. any carnivore animals are typically smarter than their herbivore prey, as it takes intellect to catch them.just like lions know how to hide and work as a team,and their prey such as antiloops lack smarts and only know how to run
blah the first point of the video about the teeth is really weak. the fact here is not what is shown in the video. the fact is that we never needed pointy front teeth because we do not attack animals with our mouths like lions or wolves do. we chop them up with knives and other tools. our teeth are not perfect herbivore teeth either so the point is way off trying to prove it one way or another
@DonMega187 we were evolved to use tools. humans as species is rather weak if it weren't for our brains (intelligence is a sign of a predator which needs to outsmart it's prey) and our tools. we can't even eat many vegetables without tools without great difficulty
The only reason your able to sit there and make and post this vid is cause some-where back in our evolutionary line, an evolutionary ancestor choose to eat meat; More protein = bigger brains plus it's more of a challenage to hunt than to eat that weird green thing growing out of the ground and or to pick that weird fruit i.e. you gotta use your brain more, thats why naturally predators have larger brains! Our weaknesses lead to our strengths
@starfaery we are talking 2%!compared to the positive nutrition in salmon, that's tiny.
I still see no "real world"not "lab world excuse" not to eat a little wild fish or good sourced lean grass fed beef once a week for the missing vitamins in a standard vegan diet for vitamin A,Vitamin D ,vitamin K2 vitamin E and of course Coenzyme Q10 .But this should be ONLY once a week and sourced from Organic sources only.Vitamins from bottles do not work.
Now here is where the veggies become unstuck.Salmon on affected the test by 2%!, that's minimal.(so salmon only has a negative impact on the arteries of 2%). clearly meat IS NOT THE ISSUE BUT OILS ARE!.I see the best diet from what we know today as a mixed diet of fruit, veggies,fish,red meat in that order.Grains are no good at all and in fact are like a poison as they all contain self protecting chemicals that harm us,so sugar,oils,fats,grains does not do a body good at all,we don't need them.
The Human body is built for survival,it can exist solely on either a plant based diet or a solely meat diet,there is not one diet that is healthier BUT both combined and in limitation are the best.Their are people out there from both the meat and veg camps that have own agendas.
If we look at Vogel's Bart test. Olive oil constricted arteries by 31%, canola oil by 10% and salmon by only 2%!. Walnuts INCREASED the flow by 24%!.continued above.
@MajkeTiTvoje "this video was made by an uneducated and unintelligent person, and therefore it is not legit"
Oh the person was likely intelligent... What makes it "not legit" it's its lack of science. It's merely a vegan propaganda piece pushing myths and dogma to those that won't research on their own.
All science, studies, research, etc. shows the "facts" in this video to be without any basis in reality.
People are not really studying native people and how they live.
In the wild for instance no natural tribes eat meat three times a day or more like what we do in modern countries.They would eat natural caught meat once a week (if that)or maybe just once a month!, even then the portions would be really small.Most of their diet probably 80=85% at least would be fruits,nuts,seeds,roots,so actually both vegans and extreme meat eaters are wrong,because both can coexist,its the politics that cannot.
@rockcityaudio No, sorry. The portion of vegetables/meat in hunter-gathering tribes is of 35%/65% (Loren Cordain et. al; Etnographic Atlas, 1997) with more meat the further north we go, as it can be seen on the graphic below:
@starfaery "...Our bodies have adapted to a predominately, plant based diet. The health pyramid confirms this..."
Our species is omnivorous and not only eats meat, but gets vital nutrients from it you CANNOT get without supplementation. So no, we're not adapted or evolved to eat a plant-based diet.
Second, the 'health pyramid' you mention is US Grain marketing and has been repeatedly proven unhealthy by all the science.
You're living based on lies, misinformation and old science.
Thinking about it. Why would ansestors go out hunting all the time, when it's obviously more practical and ethical, to pick from the ground, and trees. Fruit and veggies don't run away from you. lol :-)
there have been experiments that show that plants respond to external stimuli just as animals do ( they feel) and by definition that makes them sentient so let's STOP MURDERING PLANTS as well as animals and develop artificial nutrition from synthetic sources so we can end the cruelty.
@TheSonsofThunder2010 you are a clown, but should know that meat eaters also consume more plants. Factory farm pigs and birds are fed corn/grains and every 10lbs of it given to them only gives about 1lb of flesh, so its very wasteful, part of the reason it could potentially end world hunger. So u kill way more plants! Save the BS, try to find ways to improve rather than remain addicedt! Factory Farms are sick regardless (MeatVideo dotcom) try less cooked flesh at least
The world produces enough food to feed everyone.World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago,despite a 70 percent population increase.This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day according to the most recent estimate that we could find.The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase,enough food.
"Our recent ancestors have not been vegan, but the ethical reasons for being vegan still hold all the same. A well-planned vegan diet is still healthy during all stages of the life cycle. We don't need to use misleading claims to try to deceive omnivores when we have the truth on our side. "
@LCHFinCanada "He concludes "So make no mistake: we were born to eat meat. That's not to say you have to. "
More importantly: what do YOU conclude? Can we not think and act for ourselves? See I prove that man thrives as an herbivore. I prove this every day. In order to be an omnivore, however, man must be able to survive on only meat, if needed. Right? Well, can you prove it much like I proved I do not need flesh or any animal products? If so, do. No man has!
Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.
(Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.)
The only way to respect all life is to become a frutarian! Vegans eat living plants that have the God given right to live and not be slaughtered! Vegans are hypocrites. FRUTARIAN IS THE ONLY WAY
I think you left something out of the natural hunting skills bit. We were graced with greater levels of intelligence as our natural hunting skill. Other animals may have the speed to catch prey or night vision to sneak up on it, but our intelligence gave us the ability to outwit our prey. If humans didn't develop into omnivorous I doubt we would have survived as long as we have. Oh, also, you popped monkeys and primates in the herbivorous section, although they are also omnivorous. Nice vid btw.
@Fleggy2605 "We were graced with greater levels of intelligence as our natural hunting skill." I doubt it. Look at the way humans treat other humans, the way we treat animals, the way we treat the entire planet. Fact is that humans have shown far less intelligence for themselves and their environment and their diet and lifestyles than every single other animal. The only animal who thinks man is intelligent is man himself.
@Fleggy2605 Where's the rationale in that statement? Meat in itself does nothing for your health, and we don't know, just how often cavemen hunted. Just that they did.
Gorillas eat nothing but plants, and fruit, and they're huge creatures, so saying we can't live without meat, is rubbish, and we're not cavemen anymore.
@starfaery You will probably get scared to know that even chimpanzees and gorillas eat meat, even if it's minimal:
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Science has proven we've been omnivores (eating meat and vegetables) for over 2.5 million years. Cavemen obviously ate a lot of meat. During the last Ice Age plants were almost unkown due to the harsh cold of the north, while huge wildlife was abundant.
@Dreamer00JK Calm down, and don't take thigns so seriously.
It will probebly scare you eaven more, to know that our bodies have evolved to a more plant based diet, and that a vegan diet is far more healthy, than a meat based one. science has proven this, and the fact that meat causes alot of disease. That's clue enough, that non vegan food, isn't what we should be eating. It's been phased out long time ago. Gorillas only eat meat, when food otherwise is insufficient. Do your research.
Chimpanzees and gorillas value meat, they don't just eat it because "they run out of vegetables":
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Vegetarianism is not a healthy argument, it's only a moral argument, and I'd be hesitant to call it that. Agriculture destroys entire habitats of animals and plants and erodes the soil.
@Dreamer00JK Cave men weren't factory farming animals for worldwide distribution.
There's more to the story than just cruelty to animals.. Severe environmental issues and disease are other by products from factory farming. The question revolves around education and how in the 21st century we human beings see our place in the world and our relationship with every living thing in it. Today industy's explotation of everything for profit shows our ignorance and disconection with nature
@tr75out The bottom line here is that eating meat is not bad, overpopulation is. Without grains and nowadays with all the junk food, it wouldn't be possible to maintain all the humans alive today. I've already argued why agricultural expansion (destruction of habitats, pesticides) is worse for the planet than factory farming. But vegetarians cherish agricultural expansion.
@Dreamer00JK the world is not over populated...this is propaganda... you can take the entire population of the world and everyone could fit inside the continent of australia and have a portion of land individually.. we have the technology to feed everyone here on earth over and over again.. but within the socioeconomic system there is not enough "money" to "pay" for it... our social system "classism" needs to change in order to create an access of abundance for all human beings..
@tr75out You are right. The environmental impact of what were doing is crazy. We are keeping all the large ruminants graziers away from grass. We have disturbed a natural symbiosis by forcing them into small lots. And the result is desertification. Without graziers no grass, without grass, no graziers. We dont need less animals, we need more, but we need them were they are needed which isnt in stables and small lots.
@Dreamer00JK Good point, but this isn't the ice-age. This is now, where 99% of the world's meat is created with exploitation of farmed animals the people that grow them and ultimately the people that eat them, financially and medically. Grain isn't the answer either. Vegetables, fruit, seeds, nuts, legumes, herbs and the like are far better and more nutritionally balanced than a starch based diet.
@starfaery I'm sorry you have a problem with my comments, but next time please respond with a comment that is justified with true facts as opposed to opinion. As Dreamer00JK correctly states, gorillas are omnivores. Also, all of his other comments have been proven quite extensively. Saying that meat does nothing for your health is simply incorrect, it has bounds of nutitional value. Also, I'm afraid I cannot see where I said that we cannot live without meat. Enlighten me, please.
@Fleggy2605 U might wanna stop makig assumptions, about people u don't know. I have no problem about what u were saying...
I wasn't talking about then, I'm talking now. It's not opinion it's science. Get over it. Science don't lie. Gorillas eat mainly plants, that means they eat primarely vegan diet. Human could have kept cows for dary consumtion only. Just becuse we are omnivores it doesn't mean we should eat non vegan food.
@starfaery But we're closer to chimpanzees than we are to gorillas, and chimpanzees eat more meat than gorillas do.
"Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy."
We've already argued why cavemen diet (meat, fruits, vegetables, seeds, roots) is healthier. You don't need me to tell you how better hunter-gatherers are physically than modern men. If you haven't noticed, I'm not a meat-apologist, I'm just pointing out why dogmatic vegetarians are retarded.
@starfaery "...It's not opinion it's science. Get over it. Science don't lie..."
Really? I don't personally believe you have ANY science backing up your points. Please post your beliefs about why meat is unhealthy and the links to the science that you think proves it.
I'm quite certain that either; 1) you can't, 2) you'll find the 'science' is really some propaganda website, or; 3) the 'science' doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Let's see what you've got... I think it's just dogma.
@starfaery I'm sorry, but none of that comment made sense. Speaking of making assumptions, it may interest you to know that I live on an almost vegan diet. This is only really for ethical reasons, as I only eat livestock that I have reared myself and know have been cared for. I have to take vitamins in supplement to my diet (doctor's orders) as I am simply not getting enough vital nutrition from the tiny amount of meat I eat. If "science don't lie" (lol), then check your sources.
@Fleggy2605 I'm on an completely vegan diet, no need for suplements, other than b12.
We are herbivores like the Chimpansees, who only eat meat, when food otherwise is inefficient. Gorillas as well.
I did check out, no lies.
You must have been living in a forrest somewhere, outside civiliasation. Cause science points all the time that vegetarians are healthier than omnivores.
@starfaery Lets just say that there are arguments for both sides. But I still think that you can be healthy eating a balanced diet that includes meat.
@celt130 Not really b12, is found in organically grown plants, that absorb nutriets from the soil. 9 to 99 og a chimpansees diet is vegan, like mentiones, meat is when they can't find the real plat based food they need, meaning meat is not a natual thing, for them to eat.
"I estimate that in some years, the 45 chimpanzees of the main study community at Gombe kill and consume more than 1500 pounds of prey animals of all species. This is far more than most previous estimates of the weight of live animals eaten by chimpanzees.A large proportion of this amount is eaten in the dry season months of August and September. In fact, during the peak dry season months,the estimated per capita meat intake is about 65 grams of meat per day for each adult chimpanzee.
"This approaches the meat intake by the members of some human foraging societies in the lean months of the year. Chimpanzee dietary strategies may thus approximate those of human hunter-gatherers to a greater degree than we had imagined. "
The Predatory Behavior and Ecology of Wild Chimpanzees
" I estimate that in some years,the 45 chimpanzees of the main study community at Gombe kill and consume more than 1500 pounds of prey animals of all species.This is far more than most previous estimates of the weight of live animals eaten by chimpanzees.A large proportion of this amount is eaten in the dry season months of August and September.In fact, during the peak dry season months, the estimated per capita meat intake is about 65 grams of meat per day for each adult chimpanzee.
This approaches the meat intake by the members of some human foraging societies in the lean months of the year. Chimpanzee dietary strategies may thus approximate those of human hunter-gatherers to a greater degree than we had imagined. "
The Predatory Behavior and Ecology of Wild Chimpanzees
Your DNA argument is pretty dodgy.
"Stevens&Hume, the digestive system of vertebrates".
@starfaery Or you could do what actual real herbivores do for their b12. You see, just like us they too produce it in the lower parts of the intestines. unfortunally it is a bit too late for the body to absorb it, but herbivores know a trick. They , pardon my language, eat shit and I think you should too.
@starfaery Well good luck with munching grass then. The cow also have 4 stomaches to be able to get anything useful out of the cellulose. LOL. Hissy fit? You claim we are herbivores, I just ask of you to behave the part and you call it a hissy fit. Brain fog much?
@starfaery nowadays it seems cows are eating corn. thanks to idiotic american farmers. feeding them corn instead of grass has lead to highly deadly strand of ecola bacteria to develop from cows. if cows were changed to eat grass (the only natural food source for them) again it would lead to disappearance of ecola almost immediately. but their solution was to use another poison to kill off the ecola, which means more toxins added to the meat. there's nothing natural about meat production nowadays
@Fleggy2605 And then you might wanna look at the health pyramid, that support what I'm saying, and this site; Cancerproject . org
Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy.
The fact that vegans, and vegetarians are generally healthier than non vegans, means you're in fact mistaken. You applied that we couldn't have survived without hunting. Thus surviving, without meat. Sorry to inform you we're not cavemen anymore, but maybe you're still stuck in that era.
@starfaery If you haven't noticed, the food pyramid (that tells us we must eat only cereals and vegetables) was introduced in the U.S. and in other countries by the Deparment of AGRICULTURE. Notice how it makes sense now?
@starfaery "...Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy..."
I think you're confusing all meat-eaters with those who eat SAD... The Adventist studies prove that veganism is healthier than SAD. However, studies also compared Mormons to Adventists - they both don't smoke, don't drink, don't take caffeine... but Adventists are vegans and Mormons eat meat...
The Mormons have 22% lower cancer rates overall and 34% lower colorectal cancer rates.
@starfaery "Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy."...
And other studies verify this. 2009 studies showed healthy meat-eaters having lower colorectal cancer rates than vegetarians and vegans. The scientists were surprised and revisited this in 2010 and concluded that healthy diets that include meat are simply NOT linked to cancer or heart disease, and in fact have protective qualities against certain cancers that scientists don't yet understand.
@starfaery "...Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy..."
So stay off the vegan propaganda sites and instead research on your own using PubMed or Google Scholar.
All reputable studies prove conclusively that healthy diets that include meat and eliminate refined/processed carbs/sugars and refined oils are better for weight-loss, diabetes control, cholesterol ratios, triglyceride levels, etc. than the low-fat diet being pushed upon us by big-agriculture.
@emosunscreen24 I'm sure I heard somewhere once about some monkeys eating each other on the odd occasion if they had killed them. Not sure, can't be bothered to research it either. But since when do bugs not qualify as animals?
@Cerebralcinema No worries, food is a touchy subject and the science is not conclusive as there is always untested factors when looking at population studies. I do my best to keep an open mind and try grasp the big picture... not always easy. :)
@cecerchio I have not said that B12 comes from plants, but I have said it comes from bacteria that are in the soil, these bacteria gets transfered when the animal eat the plants.. they don`t clean them you know. ;) Again, to base your theory on a theory that may be proven false in the future is not good science. Look at the facts, all humans need B12, this is irrefutable, some humans that have had a vegan diet from birth, tribe or not, are able to produce B12. What does this tell you?
@cecerchio Now if meat eating increase your lifespan, then why is the longest lived people and populations today, mostly vegetarian and or vegan? Just a question..
@Mekelsior Statistically the countries with longest life span are Japan and Switzerland while the healthiest are the Scandinavians. All consumers of fish, meat and dairies (apart Japan). As I said earlier meat and fish, if eaten with moderation in a balanced diet, don't cause any harm. What makes people healthy and live longer is eating fruit and veg, thing that vegetarians obviously do more than omnivores for obvious reasons.
@cecerchio Statistics are easy to fudge.. Norway have the longest health queues in the world and the most expensive health service pr capita. I`m Norwegian I know the state of my own country. We are perhaps healthier than the US because the SAD diet have not been fully acceptable, and people love to eat potato. If you look at the China Study and other studies that support the findings, it shows otherwise that starch based diet, or cabohydrates are better.
@cecerchio The problem with that reasoning is that it is based on a phillosophy that may in the future be proven wrong. It is better to base your reasoning on what can actually be verified in the lab. We know that meat is today is not of the same quallity in the past, and that the animals today have degenerated to the point of no return. We have further damaged the food supply by making herbivores canibals. B12 comes from bacteria and not from meat by the way. :)
@cecerchio actually, it's more likely due to the fact that vegans don't eat processed/refined carbs and sugars.
anyone eating a western diet that drops the refined carbs/sugars and processed foods (including processed meat and refined vegetable oils) and continues to eat meat also shows great health, including improved lipid profiles, etc.
The problem is the refined/processed crap we eat, not the meat.
@stevenmsalinas Cavemen ate meat quite infrequently, but they followed the heards and nd moved light.. this was probably right after the flood where food was scarce, and into the ice age. And settlements are found near the coasts because this was the only place where you could survive due to the ice that was moving all over the place.
@Mekelsior Yes, obviously. Just wondering how you would substantiate your comment regarding "if people eat less meat they get more brain power to deal with other important things". What do you mean? Does the consumption of meat somehow inhibit "brain power"?...and if so is this assertion verifiable?
How is this "only facts" ? It's completely balderdash designed to fool the uneducated that get their "schooling" from cartoons.
It's not science, and it's full of crap.
Want to be healthy? Cut the refined/processed crap you eat. That's the only reason vegans are healthier than those eating a Standard American Diet - they've cut out the processed crap.
Go paleo and you get the same benefit, with the nutrients from meat. Vegans have higher colorectal cancer rates too...
@LCHFinCanada not balderdash... facts... everything in this video is factual. it IS biased however because it leaves out several important facts. for example: many herbivores are also quick and agile so they can get away from the meat-eaters.
I only eat veggies when my parents are around. Veggies are grown in dirt mixed with poop. You eat them. Bon Apetit. Gotta run - my porterhouse is rare, and ready to come of the mesquite broiler
@coolbones My god, you're like commenting on every vegetarian video i go to, arguing and trying to prove your point that vegetarians are wrong or w/e. why don't you stop watching videos about vegetarianism if you don't agree with any of it
@LoveRec0rds Food is an important way to change the world as well.. if people eat less meat they get more brain power to deal with other important things, it also deals with the environmental problems that we have. Bankers and governments is not the main deal anyway, the real deal is the loss of freedom and religious freedom and implementation that force you to break the commandments of God. Happening all over the world as we speak.
@coolbones Animals don't kill for fun, where did you saw that? Animals kill to eat or to defend themselves. The only animal that made killing an hobby is homo sapiens.
@freein2339 I mean you can't live well by only eating one thing the whole time, you have to eat different things to get different nutrients. You can't live well by only eating meat and you can't live well by only eating cabbage.
at least with meat youd last a year. try eating only your stupid vegetables for even just a week straight and well see where that gets you, idiot lol.
@coolbones That's what vegans eat you stupid ass...I've been a vegan since 1978...so try the only meat eating for a year and write back from the hospital or the grave...
no they don`t dumb shit. they also get nuts, fruits, bread, soy milk, a shit load of supplements, etc. they don`t just eat ``vegetables``. try to live a whole week off of real vegetables and see where that gets you, imbecile lol. i guarantee the pathetically little muscle mass your have right now will melt away at a steady pace leaving you even weaker and skinnier than you are right now.
@coolbones Most vegans I know don;t use or need supplements....All you need is in the food...Food should be used to heal not to cause disease like meat does...It's amazing how stupid you are....
your whole post reeks of irony. do you know vitamin B12? look it up and come back. its only found in meat and in PILLS which youre not taking apparently. prepare to die young my friend LOL
@freein2339 It can be hard to spot a vegan vitamin B12 deficiency because enough B12 can be stored in the liver to last 3-6 years. You can get it either by eating eggs or drinking milk or milk products or with foods fortified with B12 (some plant milks, some soy products and some breakfast cereals) or B12 supplements. If you're alive it means you've been taking it from somewhere.
@coolbones I`m not a hunter, and there is no feeling in the world more fulfilling than to see animals having fun together and to enjoy life with someone you love, and to enjoy the presence of the Lord Jesus in my life and in the lives of those around me. Humans are sinners, Christ dealt with it and offers you a way out of this lifes many bondages such as beer and gives you the freedom to enjoy life without having to hurt anyone. :) God bless and be of good cheer! :D
@logika1972 "western meat industry turned it into cruel practice just like they did with the rest of food industry." Sounds like you have your little scape goats to keep your eyes glued shut as to the rape and torture you inflict upon innocent sentient beings. But you and I know the truth, right buddy? [wink wink]
@logika1972 "I can tell you it [raping and torturing animals] is NEVER done for pleasure " You admitted yourself that one can live healthy on a plant based diet. Therefore the true reason you rape and torture animals to eat them is that you like the taste. That is for pleasure, my friend. Sorry, bud, I don't carry your brand of bullshit ;)
@logika1972 "SATURATED FATS ( very important)" I know a lot of peeps love to think highly of their bad living, but the fact is you strongly exagerate. All indications are that levels of sat/fat found in rotting animals contributes to various diseases, incl the #1 one killer, heart disease. But, you should be informed that you can get saturated fat from plant sources (WITHOUT LDL!) if that is your bag. You thus have shown neither expertise nor insight as to why you rape and torture.
@logika1972 "I was a raw vegan for 2 years and relised that it is not the best diet for humans" Really? well tell us more about your raw vegan diet, if you would be so kind. What were your daily meals, how many calories were you consuming, how much water were your drinking, how much exercise were you getting? I find those are the key sticking point when peeps are failures at eating healthy. How about you?
@FathomlessJoy Anytime my friend and fellow earthling. :) You know.. it is easy to misuse any written compendium, the problem and trouble is when those that claim to believe and follow do not, I do not believe there is any problem with believeing, it is actually a good thing and I do believe very much so that there is a God and that Jesus is real and our Savior. I do not think peace at any cost is good.. truth and love is paramount. =)
@FathomlessJoy It is easy to misuse something that in the Bible was meant to teach humans of how hopeless their situation is and how much we need Jesus in our lives. Because of our pride God allows bad things to happen, Earthling is one of them, it cause us, or some of us, to change our attitude towards His creation. The Bible is clear, eat a vegetarian or a vegan diet, be good to your neighbours, including animals.
@Mekelsior I appreciate the clarification and think I understood.
I was vegan before I saw Earthlings but when I saw it all doubt as to my healthy living and diet was removed. There is simply no way I will ever participate in that again. <3
@erasmusso Burn in hell.. it is not a polite thing to tell anyone, especially if you leave out how to avoid it, by accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior. Then by the gift of repentance, turn away from sin, obey the voice and commandments of God, including the 4th one. Regarding rights, I do not like the word because it may get confused with human rights, a man made failiure that have made everything much more difficult than what would otherwise have been simple common sense.
@erasmusso Where did I say that it is a right not to feel pain? Are you Christian? If so then you are a brother, even though we have a different understanding of the will and purpose of God. Let me ask you this, did God create this world with suffering or without suffering, with pain or without pain? Do you believe God intends for His creatures to suffer or experience pain in the future when Jesus returns and the earth is made new after the millenium kingdom?
@Mekelsior "Did God create this world without suffering, without pain?" Yes, but then Adam and Eve sinned and God cursed us (Genesis 3). Yes, Christ died for our sins, but until we accept him and die, we still have to live on a cursed planet.
Do you believe God intends for His creatures to suffer when Jesus returns?" Only those who have not accepted Jesus as their savior, He will judge every soul.
"Burn in hell" I told him what to expect if he continues breaking the 3. commandment.
@erasmusso Yeah, so there is suffering and pain in this world and eveyone must experience it, some more than others, not because it is ordained by God that this must suffer more, but most often because of our own choices. Animals however do not have the power to decide not to be killed and eaten. I`m just arguing against your argument that it is a right to eat and cause suffering in animals. We need to be good shepherds and care for God`s creatures. But you know, this is a walk.
@erasmusso I asked you, do you believe there will be suffering in the new world? When Jesus has said, "Look I make all things new?" A total restoration and a complete erradication of sin? Of course there will be no pain and no suffering, just as God had decided it would be from the beginning. So my faith is that we as Chistians should cause as little pain and suffering as we can while we are here, we should pring peace, love and truth of the gospel and the Law to all in love.
@Mekelsior "So my faith is that we as Chistians should cause as little pain and suffering as we can while we are here, we should bring peace, love and truth of the gospel and the Law to all in love." - I completely agree. But I can't understand why you think eating meat is wrong. Torturing animals is wrong, I'd close all zoos and release animals in their natural environment because they suffer in small cages. But they'll be eaten in nature. So why can't we eat them? And they don't have a soul...
@erasmusso Well.. we don`t have a soul either, we ARE a soul, but this is a different discussion, but let us look at the types in the Bible that discuss the people of God at the end of time. Israel in the wilderness, who got manna, Daniel and friends who refused to eat meat and would rather eat pulse, then John the Baptist, who ate Carob and honey. Eating meat, today, is simply unhealthy and is damaging the temple of God. However, God is merciful, and I do not condemn you.
@erasmusso Watch this sermon and then see if you want to look into this more: watch?v=ihXFa7V-hAg&feature=related the ethical reasons, I just don`t like killing anyone in order to eat. Live and let live brother, but take your time to get around this, no point threatening anyone.. preach love and preach truth. =)
I'm vegan and this is still stupid. biologically, it makes sense for humans to eat meat, as we have a reduced cecum (common amongst carnivores), which is the part of our body that breakdowns plant material. We are meant to eat meat but we don't have to only because we understand nutrition enough to cut it out as a necessity. The problem isn't that we eat meat; the problem is that we eat meat to an excess our bodies aren't meant for.
Torkulguy 14 hours ago
@Torkulguy I applaude to you sir.
We cannot allow the ignorance on both sides of the argument to cloud the truth that both veganism and omnivorism CAN be healthy if moderated and fully understood instead of spreading half truths or pseudo science.
MrGcm1984 3 hours ago
Only facts, you say? Seems more objective "truth" than absolute truth to me.
toobin8r 1 day ago
Why is everyone arguing here so much ? I am personally a raw-vegan, and I do not give one shit about what people eat and do to their bodies. I get my blood tested very often, my doctor says it's the best blood he's ever seen. My skin is glowing and smooth, I eat as much as i want and still stay toned and fit, i am always energized and don't have to worry about calories like many others do. I feel great, if you want to eat animals and animal by product, be my guest .
TheYasmine12 1 day ago
i can't hear any of this
acecase25 3 days ago
From the get-go, this flick assumes that all mammals are artiodactylomorpha. Hominids simply do not belong to this group, therefore the logic is irreversibly flawed.
The 'facts' are also just simply wrong.
There's nothing wrong with being vegan if it works for you. There's a lot of things wrong with being vegan if it doesn't. The same is true for non-vegans.
Stirgid 6 days ago
@Stirgid
Wrong and incredibly biased, by the way.
Humans see quite well at night. The fact that many people don't realize this is artificial light pollution. Humans can also hunt and kill without using weapons. Humans are the world's best long-distance runners. Humans have a high muscle-density rating. Humans are incredibly agile and quick due to the workings of our spine and hips.
Ever seen martial artists at work?
Stirgid 6 days ago
@Stirgid
Also: Carnivores do not have special enzymes that kill the bacteria in carrion. SOME carnivores do, but those are scavengers.
Stirgid 6 days ago
@Stirgid "Humans can also hunt and kill without using weapons." Why not upload a vid of you doing just that? Run down, strangle or beat any other mammal to death, and eat it bloody, wormy and raw, without weapons, tools, or fire. I would like to see you live as a predator without weapons. I would like to see any human try it. Me, I don't have to guess anymore, I wanted to know the truth and found it by paying attention.
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
Uhuh. Sure. Because it isn't that I have no training whatsoever and am not a modern person who spends their life mainly at behind a computer, getting food from a grocery store.
I have actually caught and killed a duck barehanded, once, on a survival weekend. We cooked it, though. However, that was one of those 'once-in-a-lifetime' things. Oh, and I've caught sheep for the sheering, using only my hands (for the catching, not the sheering).
Stirgid 3 days ago
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@Stirgid "Oh, and I've caught sheep for the sheering, using only my hands (for the catching, not the sheering)." You miss the point. Live like a predator, and see if it is possible for humans. You have to pay others to be predators for you. It is a strange way to live, like being a shadow of a man.
FathomlessJoy 1 day ago
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@FathomlessJoy
"Run down, strangle or beat any other mammal to death, and eat it bloody"
There are other liveforms then mammals on this planet, like fish you can fish with your bare hands. You can eat insects and reptiles and eggs and small birds, all without any tool just like our ancestors did for thousands of years.
You can even use sticks and stones like Chimps do as they also use tools to hunt.
Why do we need to explain such childish stuff to you...
celt130 1 day ago
@Stirgid "There's a lot of things wrong with being vegan if it doesn't." For instance?
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@FathomlessJoy
If being a vegan doesn't work for you, there are severe health risks involved. Scurvy is one of them. If it does work for you, there's no problem. That was pretty much the point.
Stirgid 3 days ago
@Stirgid You are confused. Scurvy is lack of vitamin C. Fruits and veggies are loaded with vitamin C. Scurvy is what will kill you quickly if you try to eat nothing but animal products. Right?
FathomlessJoy 1 day ago
@FathomlessJoy
"Scurvy is what will kill you quickly if you try to eat nothing but animal products"
I wonder how Inuits didn't get scurvy on there 90%/99% raw meat/fish diet, think smarty...
celt130 1 day ago
Skewed facts, bad science and incorrect data. Nice vegetarian/vegan propaganda.
scibat 6 days ago
@scibat Do you have any facts to back up your opinions? Seriously, I would like to examine this with you to learn the truth. Are you interested in learning the truth?
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
Why would we need teeth that can pierce skin.... We have axes that do the job just fine...
AngelCraftNetwork 1 week ago
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@AngelCraftNetwork "Why would we need teeth that can pierce skin.... We have axes that do the job just fine..." To demonstrate that it is not only barbarism that causes you to rape and torture animals for pleasure, but perhaps show that you are a predator otherwise, without the weapons. I am perfectly equipped naturally to eat and live without a single weapon, tool, or fire. Can you?
FathomlessJoy 5 days ago
@AngelCraftNetwork It was stated to explain that our jaws/teeth are not intended to eat the raw meat that humans would have had eaten before the discovery of fire.
TheYasmine12 1 day ago
I cudn't care less bout teeth i'm not murdering to get food
candycatgirl123 1 week ago
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4:00 there's plenty of people who eat raw meat and never get sick from bacteria. some even eat old rotten meat. one could only get stupider from watching this video. this video is full of shit biased facts lol. DO NOT WASTE TIME WITH IT ;)
DonMega187 1 week ago
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DonMega187 1 week ago
lol the second point is also very weak. i see where this video is headed... to trash already after 1min of watching it seems. oh well i'll keep watching more. carnivores are equipped with special skills, and in our case this is our ability to think and outsmart our prey. any carnivore animals are typically smarter than their herbivore prey, as it takes intellect to catch them.just like lions know how to hide and work as a team,and their prey such as antiloops lack smarts and only know how to run
DonMega187 1 week ago
blah the first point of the video about the teeth is really weak. the fact here is not what is shown in the video. the fact is that we never needed pointy front teeth because we do not attack animals with our mouths like lions or wolves do. we chop them up with knives and other tools. our teeth are not perfect herbivore teeth either so the point is way off trying to prove it one way or another
DonMega187 1 week ago
@DonMega187 we were evolved to use tools. humans as species is rather weak if it weren't for our brains (intelligence is a sign of a predator which needs to outsmart it's prey) and our tools. we can't even eat many vegetables without tools without great difficulty
DonMega187 1 week ago
The only reason your able to sit there and make and post this vid is cause some-where back in our evolutionary line, an evolutionary ancestor choose to eat meat; More protein = bigger brains plus it's more of a challenage to hunt than to eat that weird green thing growing out of the ground and or to pick that weird fruit i.e. you gotta use your brain more, thats why naturally predators have larger brains! Our weaknesses lead to our strengths
JohnsonDoe359 1 week ago
It will be of much greater benefit for human beings to eat those dead animals they eat.Alive.
But that its been proved controversial.
So as long as humans continue on eating dead things.
Well,dead they will have inside of their bodies.
Its that a Burger King?
Got to go!!!
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 week ago
@starfaery we are talking 2%!compared to the positive nutrition in salmon, that's tiny.
I still see no "real world"not "lab world excuse" not to eat a little wild fish or good sourced lean grass fed beef once a week for the missing vitamins in a standard vegan diet for vitamin A,Vitamin D ,vitamin K2 vitamin E and of course Coenzyme Q10 .But this should be ONLY once a week and sourced from Organic sources only.Vitamins from bottles do not work.
rockcityaudio 1 week ago
Now here is where the veggies become unstuck.Salmon on affected the test by 2%!, that's minimal.(so salmon only has a negative impact on the arteries of 2%). clearly meat IS NOT THE ISSUE BUT OILS ARE!.I see the best diet from what we know today as a mixed diet of fruit, veggies,fish,red meat in that order.Grains are no good at all and in fact are like a poison as they all contain self protecting chemicals that harm us,so sugar,oils,fats,grains does not do a body good at all,we don't need them.
rockcityaudio 1 week ago
@rockcityaudio Veggies have no such effect as fish, and meat. We do need a certain ammount of fat also.
starfaery 1 week ago
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The Human body is built for survival,it can exist solely on either a plant based diet or a solely meat diet,there is not one diet that is healthier BUT both combined and in limitation are the best.Their are people out there from both the meat and veg camps that have own agendas.
If we look at Vogel's Bart test. Olive oil constricted arteries by 31%, canola oil by 10% and salmon by only 2%!. Walnuts INCREASED the flow by 24%!.continued above.
rockcityaudio 1 week ago
I amvegan :/ so lonesome
mikeisradasfuck 1 week ago
this video was made by an uneducated and unintelligent person, and therefore it is not legit
MajkeTiTvoje 2 weeks ago
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@MajkeTiTvoje "this video was made by an uneducated and unintelligent person, and therefore it is not legit"
Oh the person was likely intelligent... What makes it "not legit" it's its lack of science. It's merely a vegan propaganda piece pushing myths and dogma to those that won't research on their own.
All science, studies, research, etc. shows the "facts" in this video to be without any basis in reality.
LCHFinCanada 1 week ago
People are not really studying native people and how they live.
In the wild for instance no natural tribes eat meat three times a day or more like what we do in modern countries.They would eat natural caught meat once a week (if that)or maybe just once a month!, even then the portions would be really small.Most of their diet probably 80=85% at least would be fruits,nuts,seeds,roots,so actually both vegans and extreme meat eaters are wrong,because both can coexist,its the politics that cannot.
rockcityaudio 2 weeks ago
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@rockcityaudio No, sorry. The portion of vegetables/meat in hunter-gathering tribes is of 35%/65% (Loren Cordain et. al; Etnographic Atlas, 1997) with more meat the further north we go, as it can be seen on the graphic below:
tinyurl(dot)com /7htokrw
Dreamer00JK 2 weeks ago
@rockcityaudio I agree entirely! It all comes down to ethics really. Good shout.
Fleggy2605 1 week ago
Plants have feelings too. I guedd were supposed to eat and drink air
44studawg 2 weeks ago
Vegan vs meat eaters is like science vs god. Why cant you accept both.
44studawg 2 weeks ago
i love eating animals! :D
ZAKARIDTUBE 2 weeks ago
lol this video is so bad
if i wasn't meant to eat meat i wouldn't have k9s
only reason many people have flat teeth is because of dentists
when back in history did humans not eat meat?
tribal people need the fat from the meat because they burn it off, only because of junk foods and lack of exercise we get fat
we can't eat raw meat because we have eaten cooked meat for so long we have adapted and no longer need a defense against raw meat.
ether way i'm still eating meat :)
ZAKARIDTUBE 2 weeks ago
@ZAKARIDTUBE We don't know the entire history of man.
We were born with our teeth dentists didn't make them.
There's plenty of fats in things like avocado, nuts, and fruit sugar.
Our bodies have adapted to a predominately, plant based diet. The health pyramid confirms this.
starfaery 2 weeks ago
@starfaery "...Our bodies have adapted to a predominately, plant based diet. The health pyramid confirms this..."
Our species is omnivorous and not only eats meat, but gets vital nutrients from it you CANNOT get without supplementation. So no, we're not adapted or evolved to eat a plant-based diet.
Second, the 'health pyramid' you mention is US Grain marketing and has been repeatedly proven unhealthy by all the science.
You're living based on lies, misinformation and old science.
LCHFinCanada 1 week ago
@LCHFinCanada Thank you, you have saved me some typing.
Fleggy2605 1 week ago
@LCHFinCanada Great comments. Nothing more to say about them.
Dreamer00JK 1 week ago
Do some more research.
crabbeclaws 3 weeks ago
@crabbeclaws Were you reffering to me, or just in genneral?
starfaery 2 weeks ago
Thinking about it. Why would ansestors go out hunting all the time, when it's obviously more practical and ethical, to pick from the ground, and trees. Fruit and veggies don't run away from you. lol :-)
starfaery 3 weeks ago
Holy fuck i feel stupid after watching this
SgtSecsy94 3 weeks ago
there have been experiments that show that plants respond to external stimuli just as animals do ( they feel) and by definition that makes them sentient so let's STOP MURDERING PLANTS as well as animals and develop artificial nutrition from synthetic sources so we can end the cruelty.
TheSonsofThunder2010 4 weeks ago
@TheSonsofThunder2010 you are a clown, but should know that meat eaters also consume more plants. Factory farm pigs and birds are fed corn/grains and every 10lbs of it given to them only gives about 1lb of flesh, so its very wasteful, part of the reason it could potentially end world hunger. So u kill way more plants! Save the BS, try to find ways to improve rather than remain addicedt! Factory Farms are sick regardless (MeatVideo dotcom) try less cooked flesh at least
AnimalAbusingLosers3 4 weeks ago
@AnimalAbusingLosers3
"Factory farm pigs and birds are fed corn/grains and every 10lbs of it given to them only gives about 1lb of flesh"
Typical vegan lie, I would like you to provide me the source of this.
celt130 2 weeks ago
The world produces enough food to feed everyone.World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago,despite a 70 percent population increase.This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day according to the most recent estimate that we could find.The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase,enough food.
celt130 2 weeks ago
There's also vegan bloggers that can figure it out themselves:
veganskeptic.blogspot.com/2010/10/are-humans-omnivores.html
"Our recent ancestors have not been vegan, but the ethical reasons for being vegan still hold all the same. A well-planned vegan diet is still healthy during all stages of the life cycle. We don't need to use misleading claims to try to deceive omnivores when we have the truth on our side. "
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
The Straight Dope lays it all out quite nicely as well, using science to prove we're omnivores (even though sciences classify us as such)
straightdope(dot)com/columns/read/674/are-humans-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-by-nature
He concludes "So make no mistake: we were born to eat meat. That's not to say you have to. "
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
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@LCHFinCanada "He concludes "So make no mistake: we were born to eat meat. That's not to say you have to. "
More importantly: what do YOU conclude? Can we not think and act for ourselves? See I prove that man thrives as an herbivore. I prove this every day. In order to be an omnivore, however, man must be able to survive on only meat, if needed. Right? Well, can you prove it much like I proved I do not need flesh or any animal products? If so, do. No man has!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@JevonMusicGroup
vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm
Conclusion
Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.
(Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.)
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Why do you have to quote others? Can you no prove it for yourself?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@JevonMusicGroup How do you think anything in this video is factual? I gather you have no post-secondary education in the sciences.
Our intestine length is that of omnivores.
We have the teeth, enzymes, and digestive system that allows us to eat meat, and process it quite well.
We NEED meat or we cannot get enough B12 and some other nutrients. Only through modern supplementation can humans live without B12 in their diet.
This video is NOT factual, it's propaganda.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
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The only way to respect all life is to become a frutarian! Vegans eat living plants that have the God given right to live and not be slaughtered! Vegans are hypocrites. FRUTARIAN IS THE ONLY WAY
JustWaIkAway 1 month ago
I think you left something out of the natural hunting skills bit. We were graced with greater levels of intelligence as our natural hunting skill. Other animals may have the speed to catch prey or night vision to sneak up on it, but our intelligence gave us the ability to outwit our prey. If humans didn't develop into omnivorous I doubt we would have survived as long as we have. Oh, also, you popped monkeys and primates in the herbivorous section, although they are also omnivorous. Nice vid btw.
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FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@Fleggy2605 "We were graced with greater levels of intelligence as our natural hunting skill." I doubt it. Look at the way humans treat other humans, the way we treat animals, the way we treat the entire planet. Fact is that humans have shown far less intelligence for themselves and their environment and their diet and lifestyles than every single other animal. The only animal who thinks man is intelligent is man himself.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@Fleggy2605 Where's the rationale in that statement? Meat in itself does nothing for your health, and we don't know, just how often cavemen hunted. Just that they did.
Gorillas eat nothing but plants, and fruit, and they're huge creatures, so saying we can't live without meat, is rubbish, and we're not cavemen anymore.
starfaery 2 weeks ago
@starfaery You will probably get scared to know that even chimpanzees and gorillas eat meat, even if it's minimal:
i40(dot)tinypic(dot)com /1zpi2s8.jpg
Science has proven we've been omnivores (eating meat and vegetables) for over 2.5 million years. Cavemen obviously ate a lot of meat. During the last Ice Age plants were almost unkown due to the harsh cold of the north, while huge wildlife was abundant.
Dreamer00JK 2 weeks ago 2
@Dreamer00JK Calm down, and don't take thigns so seriously.
It will probebly scare you eaven more, to know that our bodies have evolved to a more plant based diet, and that a vegan diet is far more healthy, than a meat based one. science has proven this, and the fact that meat causes alot of disease. That's clue enough, that non vegan food, isn't what we should be eating. It's been phased out long time ago. Gorillas only eat meat, when food otherwise is insufficient. Do your research.
starfaery 2 weeks ago
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@starfaery No, sorry, meat has not caused deceases, cereals and agriculture has:
img842(dot)imageshack(dot)us /img842/6350/paleodieta(dot)png
Chimpanzees and gorillas value meat, they don't just eat it because "they run out of vegetables":
tinyurl(dot)com /2czajb
tinyurl(dot)com /78klqse
Vegetarianism is not a healthy argument, it's only a moral argument, and I'd be hesitant to call it that. Agriculture destroys entire habitats of animals and plants and erodes the soil.
Dreamer00JK 2 weeks ago
@Dreamer00JK Cave men weren't factory farming animals for worldwide distribution.
There's more to the story than just cruelty to animals.. Severe environmental issues and disease are other by products from factory farming. The question revolves around education and how in the 21st century we human beings see our place in the world and our relationship with every living thing in it. Today industy's explotation of everything for profit shows our ignorance and disconection with nature
tr75out 2 weeks ago
@tr75out The bottom line here is that eating meat is not bad, overpopulation is. Without grains and nowadays with all the junk food, it wouldn't be possible to maintain all the humans alive today. I've already argued why agricultural expansion (destruction of habitats, pesticides) is worse for the planet than factory farming. But vegetarians cherish agricultural expansion.
Dreamer00JK 1 week ago
@Dreamer00JK the world is not over populated...this is propaganda... you can take the entire population of the world and everyone could fit inside the continent of australia and have a portion of land individually.. we have the technology to feed everyone here on earth over and over again.. but within the socioeconomic system there is not enough "money" to "pay" for it... our social system "classism" needs to change in order to create an access of abundance for all human beings..
tr75out 1 week ago
@tr75out You are right. The environmental impact of what were doing is crazy. We are keeping all the large ruminants graziers away from grass. We have disturbed a natural symbiosis by forcing them into small lots. And the result is desertification. Without graziers no grass, without grass, no graziers. We dont need less animals, we need more, but we need them were they are needed which isnt in stables and small lots.
manonapedistal 1 week ago
@Dreamer00JK Good point, but this isn't the ice-age. This is now, where 99% of the world's meat is created with exploitation of farmed animals the people that grow them and ultimately the people that eat them, financially and medically. Grain isn't the answer either. Vegetables, fruit, seeds, nuts, legumes, herbs and the like are far better and more nutritionally balanced than a starch based diet.
DemstarAus 1 week ago
@DemstarAus "This is now, where 99% of the world's meat is created with exploitation of farmed animals."
Implying I ever said that factory meat is healthy.
"Grain isn't the answer either."
Implying I ever said grain was the answer.
"Vegetables, fruit, seeds, nuts, legumes, herbs and the like are far better and more nutritionally balanced than a starch based diet."
Healthy meat eaters would agree with that.
"legumes"
Rofl
Dreamer00JK 1 week ago
@starfaery I'm sorry you have a problem with my comments, but next time please respond with a comment that is justified with true facts as opposed to opinion. As Dreamer00JK correctly states, gorillas are omnivores. Also, all of his other comments have been proven quite extensively. Saying that meat does nothing for your health is simply incorrect, it has bounds of nutitional value. Also, I'm afraid I cannot see where I said that we cannot live without meat. Enlighten me, please.
Fleggy2605 2 weeks ago
@Fleggy2605 U might wanna stop makig assumptions, about people u don't know. I have no problem about what u were saying...
I wasn't talking about then, I'm talking now. It's not opinion it's science. Get over it. Science don't lie. Gorillas eat mainly plants, that means they eat primarely vegan diet. Human could have kept cows for dary consumtion only. Just becuse we are omnivores it doesn't mean we should eat non vegan food.
starfaery 2 weeks ago
@starfaery But we're closer to chimpanzees than we are to gorillas, and chimpanzees eat more meat than gorillas do.
"Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy."
We've already argued why cavemen diet (meat, fruits, vegetables, seeds, roots) is healthier. You don't need me to tell you how better hunter-gatherers are physically than modern men. If you haven't noticed, I'm not a meat-apologist, I'm just pointing out why dogmatic vegetarians are retarded.
Dreamer00JK 2 weeks ago
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@starfaery "...It's not opinion it's science. Get over it. Science don't lie..."
Really? I don't personally believe you have ANY science backing up your points. Please post your beliefs about why meat is unhealthy and the links to the science that you think proves it.
I'm quite certain that either; 1) you can't, 2) you'll find the 'science' is really some propaganda website, or; 3) the 'science' doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Let's see what you've got... I think it's just dogma.
LCHFinCanada 1 week ago
@starfaery I'm sorry, but none of that comment made sense. Speaking of making assumptions, it may interest you to know that I live on an almost vegan diet. This is only really for ethical reasons, as I only eat livestock that I have reared myself and know have been cared for. I have to take vitamins in supplement to my diet (doctor's orders) as I am simply not getting enough vital nutrition from the tiny amount of meat I eat. If "science don't lie" (lol), then check your sources.
Fleggy2605 1 week ago
@Fleggy2605 I'm on an completely vegan diet, no need for suplements, other than b12.
We are herbivores like the Chimpansees, who only eat meat, when food otherwise is inefficient. Gorillas as well.
I did check out, no lies.
You must have been living in a forrest somewhere, outside civiliasation. Cause science points all the time that vegetarians are healthier than omnivores.
starfaery 1 week ago
@starfaery Lets just say that there are arguments for both sides. But I still think that you can be healthy eating a balanced diet that includes meat.
Fleggy2605 1 week ago
@starfaery
"We are herbivores like the Chimpansees"
Wrong, Chimps are classified as omnivores just as humans are.
"Stevens&Hume, the digestive system of vertebrates"
"I'm on an completely vegan diet, no need for suplements, other than b12."
If you where a real herbivore you would need to supplement your diet with B12, you just destroyed your own argument.
That is if you eat fortified food otherwise you will need to supplement even more.
celt130 1 week ago
@celt130 Not really b12, is found in organically grown plants, that absorb nutriets from the soil. 9 to 99 og a chimpansees diet is vegan, like mentiones, meat is when they can't find the real plat based food they need, meaning meat is not a natual thing, for them to eat.
starfaery 1 week ago
"I estimate that in some years, the 45 chimpanzees of the main study community at Gombe kill and consume more than 1500 pounds of prey animals of all species. This is far more than most previous estimates of the weight of live animals eaten by chimpanzees.A large proportion of this amount is eaten in the dry season months of August and September. In fact, during the peak dry season months,the estimated per capita meat intake is about 65 grams of meat per day for each adult chimpanzee.
celt130 1 week ago
@starfaery
"This approaches the meat intake by the members of some human foraging societies in the lean months of the year. Chimpanzee dietary strategies may thus approximate those of human hunter-gatherers to a greater degree than we had imagined. "
The Predatory Behavior and Ecology of Wild Chimpanzees
You where saying.
celt130 1 week ago
@celt130 They allmost never hunt. The dna that differes from us, might as well be the dna that 'causes primates to be more omnivorus.
starfaery 1 week ago
" I estimate that in some years,the 45 chimpanzees of the main study community at Gombe kill and consume more than 1500 pounds of prey animals of all species.This is far more than most previous estimates of the weight of live animals eaten by chimpanzees.A large proportion of this amount is eaten in the dry season months of August and September.In fact, during the peak dry season months, the estimated per capita meat intake is about 65 grams of meat per day for each adult chimpanzee.
celt130 1 week ago
@starfaery
This approaches the meat intake by the members of some human foraging societies in the lean months of the year. Chimpanzee dietary strategies may thus approximate those of human hunter-gatherers to a greater degree than we had imagined. "
The Predatory Behavior and Ecology of Wild Chimpanzees
Your DNA argument is pretty dodgy.
"Stevens&Hume, the digestive system of vertebrates".
celt130 1 week ago
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@starfaery
" Not really b12, is found in organically grown plants, that absorb nutriets from the soil"
Humans cannot absorb B12 from these sources. It has never been proven.
Plenty of serious vegan sites talk about this.
celt130 1 week ago
@starfaery Or you could do what actual real herbivores do for their b12. You see, just like us they too produce it in the lower parts of the intestines. unfortunally it is a bit too late for the body to absorb it, but herbivores know a trick. They , pardon my language, eat shit and I think you should too.
manonapedistal 1 week ago
@manonapedistal Cows get theirs from grass, Wrong again.
Resorting to hissy fits, is not a very inelligent, way of arguing your point.
starfaery 1 week ago
@starfaery Well good luck with munching grass then. The cow also have 4 stomaches to be able to get anything useful out of the cellulose. LOL. Hissy fit? You claim we are herbivores, I just ask of you to behave the part and you call it a hissy fit. Brain fog much?
manonapedistal 1 week ago
@manonapedistal There's b12 found in organic produces vegetables, so no we don't eat shit.
starfaery 1 week ago
@manonapedistal That's just in case insects, get accidently caught in their mouth. The fact is cows eat grass, and aren't made to eat animals.
Do you have anything to back that a cow has 4 stomaches?
starfaery 1 week ago
@starfaery nowadays it seems cows are eating corn. thanks to idiotic american farmers. feeding them corn instead of grass has lead to highly deadly strand of ecola bacteria to develop from cows. if cows were changed to eat grass (the only natural food source for them) again it would lead to disappearance of ecola almost immediately. but their solution was to use another poison to kill off the ecola, which means more toxins added to the meat. there's nothing natural about meat production nowadays
DonMega187 1 week ago
@Fleggy2605 And then you might wanna look at the health pyramid, that support what I'm saying, and this site; Cancerproject . org
Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy.
The fact that vegans, and vegetarians are generally healthier than non vegans, means you're in fact mistaken. You applied that we couldn't have survived without hunting. Thus surviving, without meat. Sorry to inform you we're not cavemen anymore, but maybe you're still stuck in that era.
starfaery 2 weeks ago
@starfaery If you haven't noticed, the food pyramid (that tells us we must eat only cereals and vegetables) was introduced in the U.S. and in other countries by the Deparment of AGRICULTURE. Notice how it makes sense now?
Dreamer00JK 2 weeks ago
@starfaery "...Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy..."
I think you're confusing all meat-eaters with those who eat SAD... The Adventist studies prove that veganism is healthier than SAD. However, studies also compared Mormons to Adventists - they both don't smoke, don't drink, don't take caffeine... but Adventists are vegans and Mormons eat meat...
The Mormons have 22% lower cancer rates overall and 34% lower colorectal cancer rates.
LCHFinCanada 1 week ago
@starfaery "Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy."...
And other studies verify this. 2009 studies showed healthy meat-eaters having lower colorectal cancer rates than vegetarians and vegans. The scientists were surprised and revisited this in 2010 and concluded that healthy diets that include meat are simply NOT linked to cancer or heart disease, and in fact have protective qualities against certain cancers that scientists don't yet understand.
Fact.
LCHFinCanada 1 week ago
@starfaery "...Now, I'd like to see you support, that non vegan food is healthy..."
So stay off the vegan propaganda sites and instead research on your own using PubMed or Google Scholar.
All reputable studies prove conclusively that healthy diets that include meat and eliminate refined/processed carbs/sugars and refined oils are better for weight-loss, diabetes control, cholesterol ratios, triglyceride levels, etc. than the low-fat diet being pushed upon us by big-agriculture.
LCHFinCanada 1 week ago
@Fleggy2605 the only "animals" that other primates eat are bugs.
emosunscreen24 1 week ago
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@emosunscreen24 "...the only "animals" that other primates eat are bugs..."
... and monkeys, and 34 other well-documented types of vertebrate animals that these omnivorous predators hunt, kill and eat.
ecologos(dot)org/cbs.htm
Oh wait... I'm supposed to HIDE this information! I've so lost my mind I forgot how to be a vegan troll!
Hide the truth! show only dogma and propaganda! I'm so confused! Maybe it's my crazy vegan diet??
FathomIessJoy 1 week ago
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@emosunscreen24
tinyurl(dot)com /2czajb
tinyurl(dot)com /78klqse
Below is a picture of the digestive system of carnivores and hervibores, something that this video only talks about partially and with bias.
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Dreamer00JK 1 week ago
@emosunscreen24 I'm sure I heard somewhere once about some monkeys eating each other on the odd occasion if they had killed them. Not sure, can't be bothered to research it either. But since when do bugs not qualify as animals?
Fleggy2605 1 week ago
@Cerebralcinema No worries, food is a touchy subject and the science is not conclusive as there is always untested factors when looking at population studies. I do my best to keep an open mind and try grasp the big picture... not always easy. :)
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@cecerchio I have not said that B12 comes from plants, but I have said it comes from bacteria that are in the soil, these bacteria gets transfered when the animal eat the plants.. they don`t clean them you know. ;) Again, to base your theory on a theory that may be proven false in the future is not good science. Look at the facts, all humans need B12, this is irrefutable, some humans that have had a vegan diet from birth, tribe or not, are able to produce B12. What does this tell you?
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@cecerchio Now if meat eating increase your lifespan, then why is the longest lived people and populations today, mostly vegetarian and or vegan? Just a question..
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior Actually the longest lived people by population is Monaco, who enjoy a rich diet including meat.
robbyxc 1 month ago
@Mekelsior Statistically the countries with longest life span are Japan and Switzerland while the healthiest are the Scandinavians. All consumers of fish, meat and dairies (apart Japan). As I said earlier meat and fish, if eaten with moderation in a balanced diet, don't cause any harm. What makes people healthy and live longer is eating fruit and veg, thing that vegetarians obviously do more than omnivores for obvious reasons.
cecerchio 1 month ago
@cecerchio Statistics are easy to fudge.. Norway have the longest health queues in the world and the most expensive health service pr capita. I`m Norwegian I know the state of my own country. We are perhaps healthier than the US because the SAD diet have not been fully acceptable, and people love to eat potato. If you look at the China Study and other studies that support the findings, it shows otherwise that starch based diet, or cabohydrates are better.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@cecerchio The problem with that reasoning is that it is based on a phillosophy that may in the future be proven wrong. It is better to base your reasoning on what can actually be verified in the lab. We know that meat is today is not of the same quallity in the past, and that the animals today have degenerated to the point of no return. We have further damaged the food supply by making herbivores canibals. B12 comes from bacteria and not from meat by the way. :)
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@cecerchio actually, it's more likely due to the fact that vegans don't eat processed/refined carbs and sugars.
anyone eating a western diet that drops the refined carbs/sugars and processed foods (including processed meat and refined vegetable oils) and continues to eat meat also shows great health, including improved lipid profiles, etc.
The problem is the refined/processed crap we eat, not the meat.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada I here ya bro. They omit a lot of relevant facts, eh?
Cerebralcinema 1 month ago
@stevenmsalinas Cavemen ate meat quite infrequently, but they followed the heards and nd moved light.. this was probably right after the flood where food was scarce, and into the ice age. And settlements are found near the coasts because this was the only place where you could survive due to the ice that was moving all over the place.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Cerebralcinema IQ is only one way of measuring brain power.. :)
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior Yes, obviously. Just wondering how you would substantiate your comment regarding "if people eat less meat they get more brain power to deal with other important things". What do you mean? Does the consumption of meat somehow inhibit "brain power"?...and if so is this assertion verifiable?
Cerebralcinema 1 month ago
the guy below me also forgot to mention the humans natural hunting technique. see humans have incredible
stamina far
beyond most animals we can make an animal run until its dead. also we have sweat glands allowing us to hunt in the heat
davidfordapple 1 month ago
How is this "only facts" ? It's completely balderdash designed to fool the uneducated that get their "schooling" from cartoons.
It's not science, and it's full of crap.
Want to be healthy? Cut the refined/processed crap you eat. That's the only reason vegans are healthier than those eating a Standard American Diet - they've cut out the processed crap.
Go paleo and you get the same benefit, with the nutrients from meat. Vegans have higher colorectal cancer rates too...
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago 2
@LCHFinCanada not balderdash... facts... everything in this video is factual. it IS biased however because it leaves out several important facts. for example: many herbivores are also quick and agile so they can get away from the meat-eaters.
JevonMusicGroup 1 month ago
I only eat veggies when my parents are around. Veggies are grown in dirt mixed with poop. You eat them. Bon Apetit. Gotta run - my porterhouse is rare, and ready to come of the mesquite broiler
horselips 1 month ago
Cerebralcinema 1 month ago
@coolbones My god, you're like commenting on every vegetarian video i go to, arguing and trying to prove your point that vegetarians are wrong or w/e. why don't you stop watching videos about vegetarianism if you don't agree with any of it
snowpants123 1 month ago
@LoveRec0rds Food is an important way to change the world as well.. if people eat less meat they get more brain power to deal with other important things, it also deals with the environmental problems that we have. Bankers and governments is not the main deal anyway, the real deal is the loss of freedom and religious freedom and implementation that force you to break the commandments of God. Happening all over the world as we speak.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@coolbones Animals don't kill for fun, where did you saw that? Animals kill to eat or to defend themselves. The only animal that made killing an hobby is homo sapiens.
erasmusso 1 month ago
Try eating meat and nothing else for one year.....you will be sicker then ever,,
freein2339 1 month ago
@freein2339 Bad logic, try eating cabbage and nothing else and you'll die in a few weeks.
erasmusso 1 month ago
@erasmusso Not sure about that...what's so bad about cabbage..???
freein2339 1 month ago
@freein2339 I mean you can't live well by only eating one thing the whole time, you have to eat different things to get different nutrients. You can't live well by only eating meat and you can't live well by only eating cabbage.
erasmusso 1 month ago
@freein2339
at least with meat youd last a year. try eating only your stupid vegetables for even just a week straight and well see where that gets you, idiot lol.
coolbones 1 month ago
@coolbones That's what vegans eat you stupid ass...I've been a vegan since 1978...so try the only meat eating for a year and write back from the hospital or the grave...
freein2339 1 month ago
@freein2339
no they don`t dumb shit. they also get nuts, fruits, bread, soy milk, a shit load of supplements, etc. they don`t just eat ``vegetables``. try to live a whole week off of real vegetables and see where that gets you, imbecile lol. i guarantee the pathetically little muscle mass your have right now will melt away at a steady pace leaving you even weaker and skinnier than you are right now.
coolbones 1 month ago
@coolbones Most vegans I know don;t use or need supplements....All you need is in the food...Food should be used to heal not to cause disease like meat does...It's amazing how stupid you are....
freein2339 1 month ago
@freein2339
your whole post reeks of irony. do you know vitamin B12? look it up and come back. its only found in meat and in PILLS which youre not taking apparently. prepare to die young my friend LOL
coolbones 1 month ago
@freein2339 It can be hard to spot a vegan vitamin B12 deficiency because enough B12 can be stored in the liver to last 3-6 years. You can get it either by eating eggs or drinking milk or milk products or with foods fortified with B12 (some plant milks, some soy products and some breakfast cereals) or B12 supplements. If you're alive it means you've been taking it from somewhere.
erasmusso 1 month ago
@LoveRec0rds The meat industry and fast food industry is killing us....why ignore it..isn't your health important...???
freein2339 1 month ago
@coolbones I`m not a hunter, and there is no feeling in the world more fulfilling than to see animals having fun together and to enjoy life with someone you love, and to enjoy the presence of the Lord Jesus in my life and in the lives of those around me. Humans are sinners, Christ dealt with it and offers you a way out of this lifes many bondages such as beer and gives you the freedom to enjoy life without having to hurt anyone. :) God bless and be of good cheer! :D
Mekelsior 1 month ago
This was so cute (cept the poop bit). I just love how it was a pig telling the story since that was one of the main meats eaten in Western culture
Winteredrose5162 1 month ago
-only facts, no philosophy or morality, but not without the bias.
yoyoguy1st 1 month ago 14
@yoyoguy1st Not a bias but an application of reason.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 No it's a bias.
yoyoguy1st 1 month ago
@yoyoguy1st I call it humor and reason.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
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@logika1972 "western meat industry turned it into cruel practice just like they did with the rest of food industry." Sounds like you have your little scape goats to keep your eyes glued shut as to the rape and torture you inflict upon innocent sentient beings. But you and I know the truth, right buddy? [wink wink]
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@logika1972 "I can tell you it [raping and torturing animals] is NEVER done for pleasure " You admitted yourself that one can live healthy on a plant based diet. Therefore the true reason you rape and torture animals to eat them is that you like the taste. That is for pleasure, my friend. Sorry, bud, I don't carry your brand of bullshit ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@logika1972 "SATURATED FATS ( very important)" I know a lot of peeps love to think highly of their bad living, but the fact is you strongly exagerate. All indications are that levels of sat/fat found in rotting animals contributes to various diseases, incl the #1 one killer, heart disease. But, you should be informed that you can get saturated fat from plant sources (WITHOUT LDL!) if that is your bag. You thus have shown neither expertise nor insight as to why you rape and torture.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@logika1972 "I was a raw vegan for 2 years and relised that it is not the best diet for humans" Really? well tell us more about your raw vegan diet, if you would be so kind. What were your daily meals, how many calories were you consuming, how much water were your drinking, how much exercise were you getting? I find those are the key sticking point when peeps are failures at eating healthy. How about you?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy Anytime my friend and fellow earthling. :) You know.. it is easy to misuse any written compendium, the problem and trouble is when those that claim to believe and follow do not, I do not believe there is any problem with believeing, it is actually a good thing and I do believe very much so that there is a God and that Jesus is real and our Savior. I do not think peace at any cost is good.. truth and love is paramount. =)
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy It is easy to misuse something that in the Bible was meant to teach humans of how hopeless their situation is and how much we need Jesus in our lives. Because of our pride God allows bad things to happen, Earthling is one of them, it cause us, or some of us, to change our attitude towards His creation. The Bible is clear, eat a vegetarian or a vegan diet, be good to your neighbours, including animals.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior Earthling reveals the bad things that happen in this world. Did not mean to say Earthling is bad.. it made me go vegan in a heart beat.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior I appreciate the clarification and think I understood.
I was vegan before I saw Earthlings but when I saw it all doubt as to my healthy living and diet was removed. There is simply no way I will ever participate in that again. <3
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@erasmusso Burn in hell.. it is not a polite thing to tell anyone, especially if you leave out how to avoid it, by accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior. Then by the gift of repentance, turn away from sin, obey the voice and commandments of God, including the 4th one. Regarding rights, I do not like the word because it may get confused with human rights, a man made failiure that have made everything much more difficult than what would otherwise have been simple common sense.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@erasmusso Where did I say that it is a right not to feel pain? Are you Christian? If so then you are a brother, even though we have a different understanding of the will and purpose of God. Let me ask you this, did God create this world with suffering or without suffering, with pain or without pain? Do you believe God intends for His creatures to suffer or experience pain in the future when Jesus returns and the earth is made new after the millenium kingdom?
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior "Did God create this world without suffering, without pain?" Yes, but then Adam and Eve sinned and God cursed us (Genesis 3). Yes, Christ died for our sins, but until we accept him and die, we still have to live on a cursed planet.
Do you believe God intends for His creatures to suffer when Jesus returns?" Only those who have not accepted Jesus as their savior, He will judge every soul.
"Burn in hell" I told him what to expect if he continues breaking the 3. commandment.
erasmusso 1 month ago
@erasmusso Yeah, so there is suffering and pain in this world and eveyone must experience it, some more than others, not because it is ordained by God that this must suffer more, but most often because of our own choices. Animals however do not have the power to decide not to be killed and eaten. I`m just arguing against your argument that it is a right to eat and cause suffering in animals. We need to be good shepherds and care for God`s creatures. But you know, this is a walk.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@erasmusso I asked you, do you believe there will be suffering in the new world? When Jesus has said, "Look I make all things new?" A total restoration and a complete erradication of sin? Of course there will be no pain and no suffering, just as God had decided it would be from the beginning. So my faith is that we as Chistians should cause as little pain and suffering as we can while we are here, we should pring peace, love and truth of the gospel and the Law to all in love.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior "So my faith is that we as Chistians should cause as little pain and suffering as we can while we are here, we should bring peace, love and truth of the gospel and the Law to all in love." - I completely agree. But I can't understand why you think eating meat is wrong. Torturing animals is wrong, I'd close all zoos and release animals in their natural environment because they suffer in small cages. But they'll be eaten in nature. So why can't we eat them? And they don't have a soul...
erasmusso 1 month ago
@erasmusso Well.. we don`t have a soul either, we ARE a soul, but this is a different discussion, but let us look at the types in the Bible that discuss the people of God at the end of time. Israel in the wilderness, who got manna, Daniel and friends who refused to eat meat and would rather eat pulse, then John the Baptist, who ate Carob and honey. Eating meat, today, is simply unhealthy and is damaging the temple of God. However, God is merciful, and I do not condemn you.
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@erasmusso Watch this sermon and then see if you want to look into this more: watch?v=ihXFa7V-hAg&feature=related the ethical reasons, I just don`t like killing anyone in order to eat. Live and let live brother, but take your time to get around this, no point threatening anyone.. preach love and preach truth. =)
Mekelsior 1 month ago
@Mekelsior Thanks, I'll check that out.
erasmusso 1 month ago