You do know that Babylonians, Persians, Egyptians, ect fall into the Caucasoid classification, correct? That means they are white. And if anything, they have been subjected to more European conquests than the other way around. The Persians, Assyrians, Medes, Egyptians, ect have never owned land in mainland Europe. The Persians did own some lands in Turkey, but they did not conquer Europe.
4.) The Mongol Empire fell due to a.) Plague b.) A lack of a common culture or language. The Mongols living in the Middle-East converted to Islam - those living in China emulated the Chinese. Anyone can tell you one of the prerequisites for having a strong empire is maintaining a common language and culture.
5.) The Mongol Empire was a confederation of many ethnic groups - the Mongols themselves are an admixture of whites and asians.
1.) Alexander the Great carved out his empire in ten years - it took the Mongols over twenty years to overtake China - and almost 200 years to establish their empire.
2.) The Mongol Empire was twice the size of Alexander's, not four times.
3.) The Mongol Empire was mostly empty space - Not a whole lot going on in Mongolia or Serbia today. Barely anyone lives in the Gobi Desert.
i actually did this to one of my friends by accident, and we where just playing around. i didn't drop him but i threw him, and when i had done it the first time, he wanted to try it again. the throw was subconsually.
Lol Pankration ISN'T REAL, Pankration ISN'T AN ART. THERE ARE NO PANKRATION SCHOOLS. They USE ASIAN TECHNIQUES and RENAMED IT PANKRATION. There are NO EXISTING books or scrolls anything like that regarding Pankration techniques.
Thats great if your a strong guy fighting a light person but if you are a weaker person you will need to first weaken him up first with a strike than once in throwing position you will need to use your legs as well as your back. This is how we do it in Japanese Jujitsu, believe me its alot more easier.
@LonesomePaleRider Pankration is BULLSHIT, no kicking techniques, there is NO PROOF of their techniques. Wrestling itself is extremely PRIMITIVE. It is a nature way to engage someone in a fight, you can see that with animals. JUDO is an ART, JUJITSU is an ART, it is 10 times more sophisticated than wrestling. CHIN NA, where JUJITSU actually originated from is EVEN OLDER.
@youngstunna79 Actuallt pankration did have kicking techniques, olimpic games were held for centuries there was pankration proven and also in wars. While wrestling itself is primitive that doesn't mean all wrestling styles are, especialy not ancient greek wrestling. And todays wrestling styles are also highly advanced within their rules just like jiu jitsu. And jiu jitsu didn't originate from chin na. Its primitive to think that all martial arts come from one place be it China, India or Greece.
@Theseus1000 Hi Theseus, I'm glad your response doesn't contain "stupid" or "Dumbass" like most immature jackasses on Youtube. I disagree, China was the world for a long time. There are HUNDREDS of styles, they are the first to incorporate empty hand techniques in MASSIVE armies.
Also, do you know that this is an Asian Century and that the 20th was American, 19th was British and 1-18 was Chinese. Mongol empire was 4 times larger than Alexander "the great".
It is a fact that Kung Fu was developed in India, then China adapted it to their armies. Jujitsu came from Chin Na. Hap Ki Do, Aikido, Karate came from CHINA. IT is a FACT. Tae Kwon Do and Karate are similar to Kempo, Chinese Karate.
Do you know China will be a 70 trillion dollar economy by 2050. They grow by 500 billion dollars a year and have 3 trillion dollars in foreign reserves, 3 times the amount of the EU and U.S. combined. It MAKES perfect sense.
I practiced martial arts for the past 12 years (Muay Thai, Tae Kwon Do, Hap Ki Do, Boxing, Wrestling, Brazilian Jujitsu). I never hear of Pankration AS A ART, this happened only when MMA was getting popular. I have read about many martial arts. Muay Thai is also Cambodian, it was developed for the army of the Khmer Empire. Muay is even a Khmer word. REGARDLESS, Greco-Roman wrestling is NOT based on how the Greco-Romans wrestled, IT IS BASED on FOLK ENTERTAINMENT wrestling in europe.
@youngstunna79 I was talking about ancient greek wrestling not Greco-Roman, it had diferent rules, to me they looked a litle like jiu-jitsu rules you can see them on wikipedia. As for Pankration you can't see it since it was practiced 2000 years ago and it died out with ancient Olympic games. Today I know only of one man who teaches Pankration as it was 2000 years ago he is Greek and lives in Canada.
@Theseus1000 Look man, u r kind of in denial. You sayin that sum dude in Canada knows pankration, lol, but no one acknowledges him. There is no organization for pankration. IT DOES NOT EXIST. If it DOES it uses techniques from ASIAN MARTIAL ARTS. This is just EUROCENTRIC BULLSHIT.
Other EUROCENTRIC BULLSHIT:
- "Dark Ages" aren't actually the dark ages, it is the GOLDEN AGE OF ISLAM, where more technology was developed than the Greek and Roman times combined.
@youngstunna79 How did this turn in racist contest ? If you have problem with Europeans being dominant for 500 years I can't help you. Some things are true that you said some are not. For example in China there was never a time in all its hystory that people actually had good lives. Mongol empire was for most part unihabited like Russia. European culture has evolved together with middle eastern just like crystianity had influence from old pagan belives etc Besides a Serb invented electricity :)
@Theseus1000 LOL, you talkin about Nikola Tesla, he didn't invent electricity, you can only discover it, LOL. Electricity was discovered a long time before him by Egyptians describing electric fish. Tesla developed wireless radio communications and a whole lot of other shit 300 patents. The media in the west is RACIST, that's my point. It doesn't promote all cultures that are within the U.S. What I am saying is that european history in the media is EXTREMELY inaccurate.
@youngstunna79 Well he didn't create it like God :D but he made it available to humans to use it as they do today, by discovering Polyphase system. I know how racist and inacurate western media are but I can't do anything about it, they mostly promote world from German, English, French and American point of view and rest of the world are shown as rednecks at best. But that has litle to do with pankration, it was not shown correctly in this show either unfortunately they could have done it beter.
@Theseus1000 ALMOST everything in european culture IS NOT ORIGINAL, it is BORROWED by Middle Eastern culture. REMEMBER, europe was constantly fucked in the ass by Middle Easterns (persians, Muslims). Babylonian scientist were RENAMED with Greek names. Greek astronomy is BASED on Mesopotamian astronomy. If jesus was actually real, there is NO WAY he is white. Original christians were BROWN from the MIDDLE EAST. YOU CAN TELL, whose culture is MORE civilized, more CULTURED.
@Theseus1000 I am glad you see it my way (a Worldwide perspective), but to PROMOTE the existence of Pankration as an art (instead of a collection of techniques, mainly asian arts) is to fabricate history and promote False superiority that was and currently imposed by racist white media. Pankration is only vaguely described and the techniques, So then NOTHING is original that Pankration teaches. This pattern of bullshit fabrication is everywhere in America, that's my point.
Is Chin Na anything like Shuai Jiao? I believe this is where Jujitsu originally came from. Also wrestling is pretty cool, especially free style or this one kind of wrestling I saw, it was not HS wrestling, it was really cool, and good for throwing, slamming and controling people =) But I'm a Jujitsu fighter, so I'm with you lol
@GuamKomudo Ya, I have heard of Shuai Jiao, that's like Chinese wrestling. There are 100's of styles in China, while europe has none really, only ones derived from Asia and fencing. My jujitsu sucks, I need way more practice, it is what I am concentrating on the most, but my wrestling is good because I am a meathead. Check Karo Parisyans highlights, great throws, he adapted Judo to MMA very well. Judo is just way more comprehensive than american wrestling, in comparison it is primitive.
China Na is used in a lot of Chinese styles, so there are elements of Chin Na in many of the Chinese Martial Arts. Shuai Jiao also predates Greco-roman wrestling (not talking about modern version). Shuai Jiao has been documented as old as 2700 B.C.E. It was used for the emperor's guards. The stuff you hear in the media is eurocentric bullshit.
Oh i know man, not many people know the reality of Asian martial arts. Many people have turned them into games of tag with your foot. Lame competiton sparring and money has killed alot of martial arts =P
@Theseus1000 LOL, Mongols didn't have good lives? They had the most advanced medicine and modern economy of any nation for CENTURIES. Ya, Europeans were recently dominant for about 300 years, this is when China was sliding and not adapting their economy to other european countries and Japan. Europe ALSO had 800 YEARS of the PLAGUE and another 800 YEARS of Dark Ages give or take. A lot of SAVAGE "Dark Age" culture.
This is considered an ASIAN century. Asia has had the largest empires that is WHY they have the HIGHEST populations. Imagine if europe could have stayed together as one nation, they would be a CHINA today. CHINA had the highest G.D.P. per capita for 18 of the last 20 centuries, LOOK IT UP. Invented ALMOST everything for a modern society. China is growing by $500 BILLION a year. China ITSELF will be 3 1/2 times larger economy by 2050 (70 trillion).
Everything in the next 10 years will be DOMINATED by Asia like it has for CENTURIES. The EU and U.S. have BARELY any FOREIGN RESERVES (money in the bank). ALL of it is in ASIAN RESERVES. China ITSELF has 3 times more reserves than the U.S. and EU combined. All the bonds are being BOUGHT by China and other Asian nations. Europe works the least hours of the developed world, high obesity, high divorce rate, high ALCOHOLISM. CULTURE is what makes the difference. Asians are more cultured.
The West just ADVERTISES themselves as a great culture, but in reality, it is a HORRIBLE drunk, lazy culture. Asians, SAVE, higher morals, don't drink (AS MUCH), strong family values, mild mannered and more disciplined. This is european culture, drink and fight and kill each other in a pub. europeans have been doing that for CENTURIES. Drunk savage culture, IT IS THE TRUTH. ALSO, european culture is pretty MUCH MIDDLE EASTERN. Christianity is MIDDLE EASTER no ORIGIN IN EUROPE.
@youngstunna79 You have serious problem with racism, why do you asume that I think that Europeans are better than anyone else ? Asians are also not better then anyone else and are not much differen from Europeans in terms of savagery I don't intent to waste time on such things. And also I can't wait to see China become world nr1. power, it would be a nice change.
@ManicParroT Yes but why would you use just your back ( which anybody can injure easily, no one is invincible) when you have the opportunity to use your legs and arms as well?
@pavloslion thats fucking bullshit, many history teachers and martial arts agree that india is the place where martial arts where first made, pardon me kung fu was not first martial art but there is antoher martial art where kung fu came from you are 1 out of a few historians to say that while pecific historians of martial arts mostley agree that India is the birth place of martial arts
@urmomakiller am not saying your wrong put it's really lame to say stuff like that. Do they really think that every martial art creator in the world went to India, before even cars or horse back riding were normal? No, Indiens could be the first to have a martial art, but they did'n teach everybody anything about there own. Okay i change they subject.. anyway.
Everyone in the world had to know how to fight in those days, when low quality swords (bronze, than iron) were the best weapons. And no matter where your from, the anatomy is the same, the physics is the same, and there is only so much room for deviation. It's just a matter of perfecting it and teaching it to young warriors. It's not like someone held the monopoly on fighting, it's mostly instinctive. And names are trivial, they depend on languages that adopt new things...
all you greek homos can go fuck your spartan friends, asia had the first martial art, kung fu what the spartans did was a older and different form of pankration and wasnt really a martial art as much of brutal fighting, kung fu is the first Martial Art oh and btw germans used to be the best race until hitler, you greeks are pathetic now, your all geting happy because the movie 300 made your ansisters look like gods, they wherent
@urmomakiller the soldiers of alexander the great ( mega master of generals) teach pankrateion to asian tribes when he was heading to india read history and then open your mouth my friend !!!!! thats the only trueth !!!!!!! history is trueth you mast have been watching to many movies with kung fou.lol we teach war we teach history we teach how to talk and write and how to walk instead of hanging on trees!!!!!!
@urmomakiller the soldiers of alexander the great ( mega master of generals) teach pankrateion to asian tribes when he was heading to india read history and then open your mouth my friend !!!!! thats the only trueth !!!!!!! history is trueth you mast have been watching to many movies with kung fou.lol we teach war we teach history we teach how to talk and write and how to walk instead of hanging on trees!!!!!!
@pavloslion Your really stupid, Asians an other kingdoms all over the world had a society long before European, am European an I know we can be stuborn sometimes, but the truth is that were did'n teach them much we only attack them due to our need for domination. then we made them copy our culture. take the chinese for example, they knew how to read and type, the invented gun power, compas and much more.
@Yesorknow i am tired . read again history , never asians except turks and persian came to eyrope !!! history never mention thinks like that !!!!!!an alla asians who came here was bitten by us the greeks !!!!!! we are the guards of eyrope southe east europe!!!all envaders are coming from that side!!(!wake up and stop watching stupid chinese movies)!! please understand this !!!! and we are untill now!!!!! if greek people didnt exist you would speek persian or turkish wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!
@pavloslion If you ever knew a little about historie, you would know that the mongols were. ( who had the biggest empire of all, much bigger then the greeks) they went from east asia to Polen. I don't watch chinese movies, what a stupid argument for someone who was supposed to be all holy and mighty.
and besides i never said anything about asians going to europe .... and yes they did, Greeks are not the guards of Europe, People could just go trough Russia and in,wake up, you weren't that good. The mongols and their cheif Ghengis Khan ( the biggest Conquer in all times) Had a much bigger territorie then the Greeks. And they did inveade Europe in to half of Polen and down, they were only stopped due to the leaders death, an the fight of who was to take over the legacy.
You can learn all these moves in judo and better ones if Jayson faught the pank champ the pank champ wouldve been taping in no time with jayson bjj experience and bjj comes from a form of judo
You can learn all these moves in judo and better ones if Jayson faught the pank champ the pank champ wouldve been taping in no time with jayson bjj experience and bjj comes from a form of judo
Pankrateion is the ancient greek martial art, which took place at the olympic games and the ancient greek army methods. As an art of fighting, it's considered to exist for 4700 years, since the Minoan civilization. It's the first all-encompassing martial art in world's history. It had been adopted by people up to India, while alexander the great traveled there in 4th century BC. It's considered to be the birth-mother of all martial arts of the east. Source: Wikipedia
ok.. so.. you ll have to take a look at the ancient Knossos and the Minoans in krete. greece doesnt have a history that started at 500 bc as you all suggest. its mopre than 6000 years bc. and the Knossos civilization rceated the first MA including boxing.
?!?!?! formed before greece..? Hella was not a unified nation up until Alexander the Great unified Hellas in one nation. thats true, still it was for thousands of years before china japan and any other nation, with a common language coulture religion and other things (one of them is Pangration) so no. kung fu is not the original source of MA.
kung fu is original source of martial arts, china was formed before japan, ju jitsu is older than pankration, so all the greek people can stop getting off of them selves lol :p...
@jb7254... juJITSU was made after japanese ju-JUTSU...
and japanese jujutsu comes from ancient methods born in India...
The very base of many martial arts come from india...
(though the east asians became hundreds of times more powerful after only a few generations...)[proven through wars...]
but in anycase, the people who made martial arts famous is the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean people... And I really dunno about greek pancration... but just respect all martial arts and accept them all.
judo is 1/10 from pankrateion !!!! learn history !!!! pankrateion mother of martial arts !!!! it is from ancientgreece !!!! spartansused it !!!! every greek used it !!!! spartans was the masters, todays comandos !!!! you must see the movie 300 !!! greeks are the masters of all !!! we own the world !!! lunguage martial arts philosophy maths !!! everething!!!! the lunguage that all people speak came from greece!!!!! english latin rusian !!!!!
Okay I`m from Finland and I also know that Greece is the source of modern culture. But take it easy :D To calm you down, I can say that the very best think that Greek invented is feta cheese ;D
look for vyzantio!!!!! the last empire of greeks after roman empire and then tell us what damage the west church have done to us becouse they wanted control . and one search when the industrial revelution should start if the westerns helped us with the othoman empire instead of betrying us for money and wealth. you should also check what the world would be without greeks from the time of homer or the time of lewnidas with all those barbarians we hold at the gates till now !!!!!
yes, the Greeks are a respectable nation with a civilized country compared to the other European nations at the time. But KungFu is the most ANCIENT one, im not Chinese and even i know that, it has existed for 4000 years. If pankrateion have a longer history, then prove me wrong
you and me can prove nothing my friend europe always was the center of the world ! if you look ina global map you will see that greece is exactly in the midle of the world. thats strategic from itself and that is a problem from itself for us who live here!chinese people are counting time in a diferent way from europeans so we cant prove such a thing i will tell you one last think about kung fu . you cant do such things in batllefield.pankrateio is an art of true war! thats why is the original
Kung Fu has NOT existed for the entirety of China's existence. The first recording of the use of martial arts occur in India and the Torah (Jacob "wrestling" with the angel). Kung Fu was made when an Buddhist monk from India named Bodhidharma visited China as part of a mission (as in missionary). He saw that the monks (Shaolin) in China were unfit and lazy, and thus taught them a system of techniques to defend themselves with. The monks eventually developed Kung Fu to what it is today.
@pavloslion get off of your greek high housre there body, 300 is over exandrated and as for your martial arts, kung fu is well known as the oldest martial art by almost every one that studies martial art history, as for those languges they are all pretty gay japanese sounds way better as many people that speak lots of langs say, and there are no good pank fighters in mma while there are judo and bjj fighters
@pavloslion and your where only a good race for a little bit of time your race as been shit for a long time, germany used to be the best, best sceince, sports, everything but after hitler the usa has been the most advanced and dominate race, sure greeks where powerful and intresting back in the spartan times but they still whernt as good as china empire, china had way more warriors and still does, besides judo kicks panks ass any day
@GamingProfessionel thats why germany in total has way more medals then england or britain and had better scientists plus we still kick your ass at beer drinking
@pavloslion pardon me Kalarippayattu is the mother of all martial arts but it whent from india to china where it was turned into kung fu by the shaolin but some argue that karate was formed by the milatary first either way asain martial arts are older
@pavloslion pardon me Kalarippayattu is the mother of all martial arts but it whent from india to china where it was turned into kung fu by the shaolin but some argue that karate was formed by the milatary first either way asain martial arts are older
not judo.. judos father sport is older and pankration is not older than kung fu (neither is judo's father sport) judo's father sport is ju jitsu (YES !! NOT BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU NOT GRACIE JIU JITSU (which is also made from ju jitsu)) just traditional or shogun ju jitsu.
The shoulder lock AND the shoulder throw are both from judo. The throw is the seoi-nage the lock is ude-garami with rolling the opponnent on his shoulder
This is a wrong move, his legs gotta be together and the japanese name for this is ippon seoi nage.
Thumbs up if u aggree
emixpforum 5 months ago
ZBRUSH WAS USED.... SOOOOOO OBVIOUS!
VisionXtream 5 months ago
Oh look hes giving him a piggy ba- Oh F$%#...
LightninGawd 6 months ago
I didn't think this move would work until I saw it being used in real life in the video response to this video.
thefaggotcrew 6 months ago
if they formed a band it would be Grey man group
cdngritzen 7 months ago
hey does anyone know what show this is from?
TheBjorn1996 8 months ago
@TheBjorn1996 Human Weapon
Yugz13 8 months ago
i can't read all the smart comments because i can't be bothered....it's paragraph apon paragraph of writing......and i have to go to bed...
josh2006master 8 months ago
that shoulder throw looks like a seoi nage. but this pankration shoulder throw can be easily countered
glamdringwhite03 8 months ago
Grey dude 1: Fuck yeah, shoulder lock.
Grey dude 2: Fuck yeah! *Bites balls*
yukoko94 9 months ago 3
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yukoko94 9 months ago
judo
gekkeie1997 9 months ago
You guys are idiots =.=
MultiSongWritter 9 months ago
this is like judo technique ude garami - ippon seoi nage
tequieroputa100 9 months ago
@Youngtunna 79 - Tesla never claimed to "discover" electricity.
dagon11985 9 months ago
@ youngtunna 79
You do know that Babylonians, Persians, Egyptians, ect fall into the Caucasoid classification, correct? That means they are white. And if anything, they have been subjected to more European conquests than the other way around. The Persians, Assyrians, Medes, Egyptians, ect have never owned land in mainland Europe. The Persians did own some lands in Turkey, but they did not conquer Europe.
dagon11985 9 months ago
@ youngstunna 79
4.) The Mongol Empire fell due to a.) Plague b.) A lack of a common culture or language. The Mongols living in the Middle-East converted to Islam - those living in China emulated the Chinese. Anyone can tell you one of the prerequisites for having a strong empire is maintaining a common language and culture.
5.) The Mongol Empire was a confederation of many ethnic groups - the Mongols themselves are an admixture of whites and asians.
dagon11985 9 months ago
@youngstunna79
1.) Alexander the Great carved out his empire in ten years - it took the Mongols over twenty years to overtake China - and almost 200 years to establish their empire.
2.) The Mongol Empire was twice the size of Alexander's, not four times.
3.) The Mongol Empire was mostly empty space - Not a whole lot going on in Mongolia or Serbia today. Barely anyone lives in the Gobi Desert.
dagon11985 9 months ago
i actually did this to one of my friends by accident, and we where just playing around. i didn't drop him but i threw him, and when i had done it the first time, he wanted to try it again. the throw was subconsually.
sorry if i spell something wrong, i'm a Dane
m1dm4n 10 months ago
When these commentators say the damages the move can do they always sound like they're saying "Yeah, do this at home, kids!"
myrabbitpoops 11 months ago
love this move
0Blunt0 11 months ago
Lol Pankration ISN'T REAL, Pankration ISN'T AN ART. THERE ARE NO PANKRATION SCHOOLS. They USE ASIAN TECHNIQUES and RENAMED IT PANKRATION. There are NO EXISTING books or scrolls anything like that regarding Pankration techniques.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
Ippon seionage
Elhuggante 1 year ago
0:40 note: you can also flater on his face. This will also leave the opponent without air.
cosacosi1 1 year ago
*deep bow to all masters here*
wirasatrya95 1 year ago
Judo de toda la vida. No saben que inventar para vender y atraer alumnos a los gimnasios
OkinawaT 1 year ago
Isnt that a Judo Throw?
Sonical80456 1 year ago
Omg, people that comment there, are scaring me!
They seem to know more than martial arts Masters!
Jarek1909 1 year ago 23
@Jarek1909 pfft... know more than the internet... thats the point.... you shoudl be scared. they could be "masters"...
138NProgress 10 months ago
Holy fuck! So many geniuses on here...
railroadtrash09 1 year ago 14
Thats great if your a strong guy fighting a light person but if you are a weaker person you will need to first weaken him up first with a strike than once in throwing position you will need to use your legs as well as your back. This is how we do it in Japanese Jujitsu, believe me its alot more easier.
urfaceismessed 1 year ago
isn't this from freestyle wrestling?
wtfasiankid8o8 1 year ago
@wtfasiankid8o8 All wrestling styles have their roots in Pankration.
LonesomePaleRider 1 year ago
@LonesomePaleRider Wrestling is older than pankration. Pankation was made from boxing and wrestling originally.
Theseus1000 1 year ago
@LonesomePaleRider Pankration is BULLSHIT, no kicking techniques, there is NO PROOF of their techniques. Wrestling itself is extremely PRIMITIVE. It is a nature way to engage someone in a fight, you can see that with animals. JUDO is an ART, JUJITSU is an ART, it is 10 times more sophisticated than wrestling. CHIN NA, where JUJITSU actually originated from is EVEN OLDER.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
@youngstunna79 Actuallt pankration did have kicking techniques, olimpic games were held for centuries there was pankration proven and also in wars. While wrestling itself is primitive that doesn't mean all wrestling styles are, especialy not ancient greek wrestling. And todays wrestling styles are also highly advanced within their rules just like jiu jitsu. And jiu jitsu didn't originate from chin na. Its primitive to think that all martial arts come from one place be it China, India or Greece.
Theseus1000 11 months ago
@Theseus1000 Hi Theseus, I'm glad your response doesn't contain "stupid" or "Dumbass" like most immature jackasses on Youtube. I disagree, China was the world for a long time. There are HUNDREDS of styles, they are the first to incorporate empty hand techniques in MASSIVE armies.
Also, do you know that this is an Asian Century and that the 20th was American, 19th was British and 1-18 was Chinese. Mongol empire was 4 times larger than Alexander "the great".
youngstunna79 11 months ago
It is a fact that Kung Fu was developed in India, then China adapted it to their armies. Jujitsu came from Chin Na. Hap Ki Do, Aikido, Karate came from CHINA. IT is a FACT. Tae Kwon Do and Karate are similar to Kempo, Chinese Karate.
Do you know China will be a 70 trillion dollar economy by 2050. They grow by 500 billion dollars a year and have 3 trillion dollars in foreign reserves, 3 times the amount of the EU and U.S. combined. It MAKES perfect sense.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
I practiced martial arts for the past 12 years (Muay Thai, Tae Kwon Do, Hap Ki Do, Boxing, Wrestling, Brazilian Jujitsu). I never hear of Pankration AS A ART, this happened only when MMA was getting popular. I have read about many martial arts. Muay Thai is also Cambodian, it was developed for the army of the Khmer Empire. Muay is even a Khmer word. REGARDLESS, Greco-Roman wrestling is NOT based on how the Greco-Romans wrestled, IT IS BASED on FOLK ENTERTAINMENT wrestling in europe.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
@youngstunna79 I was talking about ancient greek wrestling not Greco-Roman, it had diferent rules, to me they looked a litle like jiu-jitsu rules you can see them on wikipedia. As for Pankration you can't see it since it was practiced 2000 years ago and it died out with ancient Olympic games. Today I know only of one man who teaches Pankration as it was 2000 years ago he is Greek and lives in Canada.
Theseus1000 11 months ago
@Theseus1000 Look man, u r kind of in denial. You sayin that sum dude in Canada knows pankration, lol, but no one acknowledges him. There is no organization for pankration. IT DOES NOT EXIST. If it DOES it uses techniques from ASIAN MARTIAL ARTS. This is just EUROCENTRIC BULLSHIT.
Other EUROCENTRIC BULLSHIT:
- "Dark Ages" aren't actually the dark ages, it is the GOLDEN AGE OF ISLAM, where more technology was developed than the Greek and Roman times combined.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
@Theseus1000
Other EUROCENTRIC BULLSHIT:
-Issac Newton did not discover calculus, it is as old as Babylonia and Egypt.
-Greek Astronomy is BASED on Babylonian astronomy.
-Christianity is Middle Eastern.
-So pretty much the foundation of european culture IS MIDDLE EASTERN. It is just rationalized and changed to make it sound originally european.
-CHINA had the highest GDP per capita for 18 of the last 20 centuries.
-The Mongol Empire was 4 times larger than Alexander "the great" empire.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
@youngstunna79 How did this turn in racist contest ? If you have problem with Europeans being dominant for 500 years I can't help you. Some things are true that you said some are not. For example in China there was never a time in all its hystory that people actually had good lives. Mongol empire was for most part unihabited like Russia. European culture has evolved together with middle eastern just like crystianity had influence from old pagan belives etc Besides a Serb invented electricity :)
Theseus1000 10 months ago
@Theseus1000 LOL, you talkin about Nikola Tesla, he didn't invent electricity, you can only discover it, LOL. Electricity was discovered a long time before him by Egyptians describing electric fish. Tesla developed wireless radio communications and a whole lot of other shit 300 patents. The media in the west is RACIST, that's my point. It doesn't promote all cultures that are within the U.S. What I am saying is that european history in the media is EXTREMELY inaccurate.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
@youngstunna79 Well he didn't create it like God :D but he made it available to humans to use it as they do today, by discovering Polyphase system. I know how racist and inacurate western media are but I can't do anything about it, they mostly promote world from German, English, French and American point of view and rest of the world are shown as rednecks at best. But that has litle to do with pankration, it was not shown correctly in this show either unfortunately they could have done it beter.
Theseus1000 10 months ago
@Theseus1000 ALMOST everything in european culture IS NOT ORIGINAL, it is BORROWED by Middle Eastern culture. REMEMBER, europe was constantly fucked in the ass by Middle Easterns (persians, Muslims). Babylonian scientist were RENAMED with Greek names. Greek astronomy is BASED on Mesopotamian astronomy. If jesus was actually real, there is NO WAY he is white. Original christians were BROWN from the MIDDLE EAST. YOU CAN TELL, whose culture is MORE civilized, more CULTURED.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
@Theseus1000 I am glad you see it my way (a Worldwide perspective), but to PROMOTE the existence of Pankration as an art (instead of a collection of techniques, mainly asian arts) is to fabricate history and promote False superiority that was and currently imposed by racist white media. Pankration is only vaguely described and the techniques, So then NOTHING is original that Pankration teaches. This pattern of bullshit fabrication is everywhere in America, that's my point.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
Is Chin Na anything like Shuai Jiao? I believe this is where Jujitsu originally came from. Also wrestling is pretty cool, especially free style or this one kind of wrestling I saw, it was not HS wrestling, it was really cool, and good for throwing, slamming and controling people =) But I'm a Jujitsu fighter, so I'm with you lol
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
@GuamKomudo Ya, I have heard of Shuai Jiao, that's like Chinese wrestling. There are 100's of styles in China, while europe has none really, only ones derived from Asia and fencing. My jujitsu sucks, I need way more practice, it is what I am concentrating on the most, but my wrestling is good because I am a meathead. Check Karo Parisyans highlights, great throws, he adapted Judo to MMA very well. Judo is just way more comprehensive than american wrestling, in comparison it is primitive.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
China Na is used in a lot of Chinese styles, so there are elements of Chin Na in many of the Chinese Martial Arts. Shuai Jiao also predates Greco-roman wrestling (not talking about modern version). Shuai Jiao has been documented as old as 2700 B.C.E. It was used for the emperor's guards. The stuff you hear in the media is eurocentric bullshit.
youngstunna79 11 months ago
Oh i know man, not many people know the reality of Asian martial arts. Many people have turned them into games of tag with your foot. Lame competiton sparring and money has killed alot of martial arts =P
GuamKomudo 11 months ago
@Theseus1000 LOL, Mongols didn't have good lives? They had the most advanced medicine and modern economy of any nation for CENTURIES. Ya, Europeans were recently dominant for about 300 years, this is when China was sliding and not adapting their economy to other european countries and Japan. Europe ALSO had 800 YEARS of the PLAGUE and another 800 YEARS of Dark Ages give or take. A lot of SAVAGE "Dark Age" culture.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
This is considered an ASIAN century. Asia has had the largest empires that is WHY they have the HIGHEST populations. Imagine if europe could have stayed together as one nation, they would be a CHINA today. CHINA had the highest G.D.P. per capita for 18 of the last 20 centuries, LOOK IT UP. Invented ALMOST everything for a modern society. China is growing by $500 BILLION a year. China ITSELF will be 3 1/2 times larger economy by 2050 (70 trillion).
youngstunna79 10 months ago
Everything in the next 10 years will be DOMINATED by Asia like it has for CENTURIES. The EU and U.S. have BARELY any FOREIGN RESERVES (money in the bank). ALL of it is in ASIAN RESERVES. China ITSELF has 3 times more reserves than the U.S. and EU combined. All the bonds are being BOUGHT by China and other Asian nations. Europe works the least hours of the developed world, high obesity, high divorce rate, high ALCOHOLISM. CULTURE is what makes the difference. Asians are more cultured.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
@youngstunna79 Not realy you are overly simplifying things.
Theseus1000 10 months ago
The West just ADVERTISES themselves as a great culture, but in reality, it is a HORRIBLE drunk, lazy culture. Asians, SAVE, higher morals, don't drink (AS MUCH), strong family values, mild mannered and more disciplined. This is european culture, drink and fight and kill each other in a pub. europeans have been doing that for CENTURIES. Drunk savage culture, IT IS THE TRUTH. ALSO, european culture is pretty MUCH MIDDLE EASTERN. Christianity is MIDDLE EASTER no ORIGIN IN EUROPE.
youngstunna79 10 months ago
@youngstunna79 You have serious problem with racism, why do you asume that I think that Europeans are better than anyone else ? Asians are also not better then anyone else and are not much differen from Europeans in terms of savagery I don't intent to waste time on such things. And also I can't wait to see China become world nr1. power, it would be a nice change.
Theseus1000 10 months ago
@wtfasiankid8o8 Its from judo (seoi nage)
gabeisdamncool 1 year ago
What if your back goes out when you throw that person?
ApollosInsight 1 year ago
@ApollosInsight If you have back problems you probably shouldn't jump into grappling sports without consulting a doctor.
ManicParroT 1 year ago
@ManicParroT Yes but why would you use just your back ( which anybody can injure easily, no one is invincible) when you have the opportunity to use your legs and arms as well?
urfaceismessed 1 year ago
@ApollosInsight It won't you are not transporting him you just use it for lever a little try it out.
Theseus1000 1 year ago
o:25 is fedor emelianenko move!!! greek martial arts pnkration!!!!!!!
gkproductions1000 1 year ago
@pavloslion thats fucking bullshit, many history teachers and martial arts agree that india is the place where martial arts where first made, pardon me kung fu was not first martial art but there is antoher martial art where kung fu came from you are 1 out of a few historians to say that while pecific historians of martial arts mostley agree that India is the birth place of martial arts
urmomakiller 1 year ago
@urmomakiller am not saying your wrong put it's really lame to say stuff like that. Do they really think that every martial art creator in the world went to India, before even cars or horse back riding were normal? No, Indiens could be the first to have a martial art, but they did'n teach everybody anything about there own. Okay i change they subject.. anyway.
Yesorknow 1 year ago
@Yesorknow no Idont its very stupid because they know that kung fu was brought from india to china by a monk
urmomakiller 1 year ago
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Yesorknow 1 year ago
@urmomakiller NO Buddisme was brought by a monk. Kong fu was inventet in china so that they could defent their faith. Or is KUng Fu an Indian word?
Yesorknow 1 year ago
@Yesorknow
Everyone in the world had to know how to fight in those days, when low quality swords (bronze, than iron) were the best weapons. And no matter where your from, the anatomy is the same, the physics is the same, and there is only so much room for deviation. It's just a matter of perfecting it and teaching it to young warriors. It's not like someone held the monopoly on fighting, it's mostly instinctive. And names are trivial, they depend on languages that adopt new things...
MariMano357 1 year ago
all you greek homos can go fuck your spartan friends, asia had the first martial art, kung fu what the spartans did was a older and different form of pankration and wasnt really a martial art as much of brutal fighting, kung fu is the first Martial Art oh and btw germans used to be the best race until hitler, you greeks are pathetic now, your all geting happy because the movie 300 made your ansisters look like gods, they wherent
urmomakiller 1 year ago
@urmomakiller the soldiers of alexander the great ( mega master of generals) teach pankrateion to asian tribes when he was heading to india read history and then open your mouth my friend !!!!! thats the only trueth !!!!!!! history is trueth you mast have been watching to many movies with kung fou.lol we teach war we teach history we teach how to talk and write and how to walk instead of hanging on trees!!!!!!
pavloslion 1 year ago
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@urmomakiller the soldiers of alexander the great ( mega master of generals) teach pankrateion to asian tribes when he was heading to india read history and then open your mouth my friend !!!!! thats the only trueth !!!!!!! history is trueth you mast have been watching to many movies with kung fou.lol we teach war we teach history we teach how to talk and write and how to walk instead of hanging on trees!!!!!!
pavloslion 1 year ago
@pavloslion Your really stupid, Asians an other kingdoms all over the world had a society long before European, am European an I know we can be stuborn sometimes, but the truth is that were did'n teach them much we only attack them due to our need for domination. then we made them copy our culture. take the chinese for example, they knew how to read and type, the invented gun power, compas and much more.
Yesorknow 1 year ago
@Yesorknow i am tired . read again history , never asians except turks and persian came to eyrope !!! history never mention thinks like that !!!!!!an alla asians who came here was bitten by us the greeks !!!!!! we are the guards of eyrope southe east europe!!!all envaders are coming from that side!!(!wake up and stop watching stupid chinese movies)!! please understand this !!!! and we are untill now!!!!! if greek people didnt exist you would speek persian or turkish wake up !!!!!!!!!!!!
pavloslion 1 year ago
@pavloslion If you ever knew a little about historie, you would know that the mongols were. ( who had the biggest empire of all, much bigger then the greeks) they went from east asia to Polen. I don't watch chinese movies, what a stupid argument for someone who was supposed to be all holy and mighty.
Yesorknow 1 year ago
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Yesorknow 1 year ago
and besides i never said anything about asians going to europe .... and yes they did, Greeks are not the guards of Europe, People could just go trough Russia and in,wake up, you weren't that good. The mongols and their cheif Ghengis Khan ( the biggest Conquer in all times) Had a much bigger territorie then the Greeks. And they did inveade Europe in to half of Polen and down, they were only stopped due to the leaders death, an the fight of who was to take over the legacy.
Yesorknow 1 year ago
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You can learn all these moves in judo and better ones if Jayson faught the pank champ the pank champ wouldve been taping in no time with jayson bjj experience and bjj comes from a form of judo
urmomakiller 1 year ago
You can learn all these moves in judo and better ones if Jayson faught the pank champ the pank champ wouldve been taping in no time with jayson bjj experience and bjj comes from a form of judo
urmomakiller 1 year ago
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Pankrateion is the ancient greek martial art, which took place at the olympic games and the ancient greek army methods. As an art of fighting, it's considered to exist for 4700 years, since the Minoan civilization. It's the first all-encompassing martial art in world's history. It had been adopted by people up to India, while alexander the great traveled there in 4th century BC. It's considered to be the birth-mother of all martial arts of the east. Source: Wikipedia
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pierratos 1 year ago
ほぼ，一本背負いのパクりですね(^m^)
kaitou20mensou 2 years ago
@kaitou20mensou
so desu ne...
seoinage wo rikinnde yatte iru yoona kanji desu ne..
(judo no shoshinsha ga yoku yaru koto ni nazeka nite masu..)
thehpower 2 years ago
ok.. so.. you ll have to take a look at the ancient Knossos and the Minoans in krete. greece doesnt have a history that started at 500 bc as you all suggest. its mopre than 6000 years bc. and the Knossos civilization rceated the first MA including boxing.
cyberiatrance 2 years ago
?!?!?! formed before greece..? Hella was not a unified nation up until Alexander the Great unified Hellas in one nation. thats true, still it was for thousands of years before china japan and any other nation, with a common language coulture religion and other things (one of them is Pangration) so no. kung fu is not the original source of MA.
cyberiatrance 2 years ago
kung fu is original source of martial arts, china was formed before japan, ju jitsu is older than pankration, so all the greek people can stop getting off of them selves lol :p...
jb7254 2 years ago
@jb7254 yup
Gubby007 2 years ago
@jb7254... juJITSU was made after japanese ju-JUTSU...
and japanese jujutsu comes from ancient methods born in India...
The very base of many martial arts come from india...
(though the east asians became hundreds of times more powerful after only a few generations...)[proven through wars...]
but in anycase, the people who made martial arts famous is the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean people... And I really dunno about greek pancration... but just respect all martial arts and accept them all.
thehpower 2 years ago
you are all jackass.....Pankration is the first martial art in the history.....lol judo say the other noob....i think judo steal from pankration....
Oblivion1821 2 years ago
judo is 1/10 from pankrateion !!!! learn history !!!! pankrateion mother of martial arts !!!! it is from ancientgreece !!!! spartansused it !!!! every greek used it !!!! spartans was the masters, todays comandos !!!! you must see the movie 300 !!! greeks are the masters of all !!! we own the world !!! lunguage martial arts philosophy maths !!! everething!!!! the lunguage that all people speak came from greece!!!!! english latin rusian !!!!!
pavloslion 2 years ago
pavloslion etsi!! :D
Oblivion1821 2 years ago
But your english sucks :D
Okay I`m from Finland and I also know that Greece is the source of modern culture. But take it easy :D To calm you down, I can say that the very best think that Greek invented is feta cheese ;D
verho89 2 years ago
hmm, i wonder who gave you snobby bastards the paper, the compass, the wheel barrow, gun powder, ship designs, sail techniques, and spaghetti...
knightj60 2 years ago
look for vyzantio!!!!! the last empire of greeks after roman empire and then tell us what damage the west church have done to us becouse they wanted control . and one search when the industrial revelution should start if the westerns helped us with the othoman empire instead of betrying us for money and wealth. you should also check what the world would be without greeks from the time of homer or the time of lewnidas with all those barbarians we hold at the gates till now !!!!!
pavloslion 2 years ago
yes, the Greeks are a respectable nation with a civilized country compared to the other European nations at the time. But KungFu is the most ANCIENT one, im not Chinese and even i know that, it has existed for 4000 years. If pankrateion have a longer history, then prove me wrong
knightj60 2 years ago
you and me can prove nothing my friend europe always was the center of the world ! if you look ina global map you will see that greece is exactly in the midle of the world. thats strategic from itself and that is a problem from itself for us who live here!chinese people are counting time in a diferent way from europeans so we cant prove such a thing i will tell you one last think about kung fu . you cant do such things in batllefield.pankrateio is an art of true war! thats why is the original
pavloslion 2 years ago
Kung Fu has NOT existed for the entirety of China's existence. The first recording of the use of martial arts occur in India and the Torah (Jacob "wrestling" with the angel). Kung Fu was made when an Buddhist monk from India named Bodhidharma visited China as part of a mission (as in missionary). He saw that the monks (Shaolin) in China were unfit and lazy, and thus taught them a system of techniques to defend themselves with. The monks eventually developed Kung Fu to what it is today.
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pierratos 1 year ago
@pavloslion get off of your greek high housre there body, 300 is over exandrated and as for your martial arts, kung fu is well known as the oldest martial art by almost every one that studies martial art history, as for those languges they are all pretty gay japanese sounds way better as many people that speak lots of langs say, and there are no good pank fighters in mma while there are judo and bjj fighters
urmomakiller 1 year ago
@pavloslion and your where only a good race for a little bit of time your race as been shit for a long time, germany used to be the best, best sceince, sports, everything but after hitler the usa has been the most advanced and dominate race, sure greeks where powerful and intresting back in the spartan times but they still whernt as good as china empire, china had way more warriors and still does, besides judo kicks panks ass any day
urmomakiller 1 year ago
@urmomakiller germany was best? LOL
i think you mean britain... or better... England :)
GamingProfessionel 1 year ago
@GamingProfessionel thats why germany in total has way more medals then england or britain and had better scientists plus we still kick your ass at beer drinking
urmomakiller 1 year ago
@urmomakiller lol....this is true about ze beer drinking :(
GamingProfessionel 1 year ago
@pavloslion pardon me Kalarippayattu is the mother of all martial arts but it whent from india to china where it was turned into kung fu by the shaolin but some argue that karate was formed by the milatary first either way asain martial arts are older
urmomakiller 1 year ago
@pavloslion pardon me Kalarippayattu is the mother of all martial arts but it whent from india to china where it was turned into kung fu by the shaolin but some argue that karate was formed by the milatary first either way asain martial arts are older
urmomakiller 1 year ago
not judo.. judos father sport is older and pankration is not older than kung fu (neither is judo's father sport) judo's father sport is ju jitsu (YES !! NOT BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU NOT GRACIE JIU JITSU (which is also made from ju jitsu)) just traditional or shogun ju jitsu.
rabcor 2 years ago
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pankration is older than judo... you guys are retarded
colinrabun 2 years ago
pankration is older than judo... you guys are retarded
colinrabun 2 years ago
The shoulder lock AND the shoulder throw are both from judo. The throw is the seoi-nage the lock is ude-garami with rolling the opponnent on his shoulder
Silesz 2 years ago
that's a judo version of the throw.... where u don't lock ur right arm/hand
lop1045 2 years ago
bad done
you have to fell down to your knees
sachamord 3 years ago