BBC News: A Paramilitary Group that Supports Hugo Chavez

[21boxhead]

WE AT LEAST THERE NOT THUGS ROBBING PEOPLE

[feder231]

THE FACT IS THAT USA OIL CORPORATION WANT TO STEAL OIL FROM VENEZUELA, LIKE THEY DID WITH IRAK . AFGHANISTA PRODUCE OPIUM FOR HEROIN , AND IT FUNDS CIA OPERATIONS. IN COLOMBIA THEY WANT TO ELIMINATE GUERRILLA BECAUSE THEY CAN CONTROL DRUGS WITHOUT COMPETITION , SO THEY CAN FUNDS CIA OPERATIONS TOO.

[Gabost8]

Socialist dicatorshios come and go...

[Gabost8]

dictatorships*

[Stanislavs1]

1) the last clip of people running out of a school.. that was the event when the opposition attacked the school, not chavez supporters.

2) the leader of the chavez support group said nothing about attacking those who vote differently when being asked

[NeroroPuj]

tell me one right wing government in south america where opposition is not shuted

[Sexisttroll]

@NeroroPuj the Brazilian government (Lula)?

[NeroroPuj]

@Sexisttroll Brazilia has a right wing government? I though their president wasLula da silvia; a democratic marxist and supporter of chavez?

[Sexisttroll]

@NeroroPuj whats wrong with having a left wing government? Lula is socialist, and Brazil is a free country not all left wings are evil you know... as a matter of fact Brazil has progressed thanks to Lula.... and there are right wing parties is just that more people in Brazil votes for the left (with freedom to vote for right)...

[NeroroPuj]

@Sexisttroll I see that your a troll

[gigly235]

It's refreshing to see a country where anglo-americans cannot rule.

[sexybritgent]

i agree as anglo americans have made political decisions in favour of corporations and not anglo american people. and that comes from a gringo. blair needs to hang to appease the balance on friday.

[FuckTHeRich999]

Funny how they always talk about chavez trying to shut up his oponents but they dont mention all the right-wing us suported dictatorships who murdered killed raped and burned their oponents , viva chavez

[3downincappagh]

Fuck Chavez.

[dangolingo]

Chavez has done great things for the Majority of Venezuelans, the 2002 coup was instigated by the CIA. The people of South America know the crimes and genocides of the past that were carried out by US military. They are armed for this reason.

[montealegre5]

One thing is true... Chavez represents Venezuela, and, if he has been elected and affirmed so many times, it must have been because most of Venezuela likes him. Chavez could be ignorant, a bravucon de barrio, or like some Colombians call him "A Costenio in bruto" ( an unpollished Redneck), but he is da man of a land once referred by Simon Bolivar as a potrero yielding only cows and manure.

[NuJoiseyMAN]

If you don't support US imperialism thats fine, but saying you wipe your ass with the american flag isn't right. The people of America aren't the ones who are oppressing you..

[MasterPervy123]

VIVA HUGO CHAVEZ.

Fuck usa

I SHIT on the us flag.

[EmeterioBetances]

Propaganda LOL JAAJAA They are armed yes but shit they let the others vote. They one the last vote. Chavez wont support shit if the people aint with him. Long Live Chavez Mang. What you support? Billionaries who keep getting richer and never ever seeing anything of that money? Politicians who are all related to one another? Is this a real democracy in America or what? Get the fuck out of here and keep it real. Get some of the tax money to schools not banks. Let them pay their own way out.

[teemuruskeepaa]

No Chavez doesn't do this

[stevenaudet]

Chavez is not prefect and sometimes he's radical, but still the CIA did try to push him of with a "coup". If the US would back off, the people themselves would not feel invade. Last time the US helped a man rule a South American country, it was that "gentle" General Pinochet. Does it ring a bell, anyone? The best system is democrat-socialism. An according to me the US and Vebezuela are just to extreme. The system should be somewhere in between.

[orlando1967]

Let's fuck Uncle Sam!

[anticomunist911]

venezolanos traicioneros, son como judas, se aprovechan de los malos momentos de los demas por que tienen petroleo, pero ese problemita ya se esta solucionando y uds van a ser como cuba, todos comiendo mierda de chavez trabajando por nada como en cuba, que tienen que tener 2 trabajos uno por el govierno y si quieren comer algo , eso si es esclavitud y violacion de los derechos humanos,pr eso es que en cuba hay tanta prostitucion y dejeramiento y terroristas que castro cuida como reyes.

[anticomunist911]

venezolanos traicioneros, son como judas, se aprovechan de los malos momentos de los demas por que tienen petroleo, pero ese problemita ya se esta solucionando y uds van a ser como cuba, todos comiendo mierda de chavez trabajando por nada como en cuba, que tienen que tener 2 trabajos uno por el govierno y si quieren comer algo , eso si es esclavitud y violacion de los derechos humanos,pr eso es que en cuba hay tanta prostitucion y dejeramiento y terroristas que castro cuida como reyes.

[militantesuicida]

this video is total rubish!!!

is a fake...this orvex soon we will have to do something about this assholes promo´ting genocide among the population!

orvex is trying to get people to fight and the same time they get pay to do this kind of job but soon they will find out their dead as an organization cause people round the world knows this people has a different interest and is not for the good of the people is just for them pockets...them need a reason to get pay even if they have to invent it!

[mjalloxxxx]

Time to END that revolution!

Time to get rid of all the capitalists.

[hooliganism49]

People who say they would die for Chavez wouldnt have the nuts to fight in guerilla warfare if it ever came down to it. Socialism=communism whcih both system have been proven to fail.THe only socialism that works is that which includes capitalism such as Europes model.Brasil,for example,wants to become socialist,but President Lula has free trade and contracts with businesses.THere is a reason why Brasil will become Latin Americas power.THey somewhat reject socialism and have embraced capitalism!

[inferno0020]

You are right. Socialism can only work when it coexists with capitalism, and Lula has done a much better job compared to Chavez.

I am glad to see people like you here because I tired of those pendejos who describe Chavez as a saint and call the criticism of Chavez "CIA lies". Chavez is not even a socialist; he is just a lair who deceive his people for political interest.

[trec600]

you can say the same for bush.

[SomoshiphopRadio]

Chavez es mas merecesor de Honores que el Papa!

[ayranladillao]

jajajaja yo soy de venezuela, y asi no son los paramilitares de aqui, estos estan muy bien vestidos y esas bandanas estan recien pintadas, esos gringos si la forzan haciendo estos videos tontos jajajajajajajaja

[bluelotus721]

Hugo Chavez should be made a Saint by the Catholic Church.

[inferno0020]

No, His Holiness of Hugo Chavez should kill all those corrupted pedophile priests and Nazi Pope for becoming the new leader in Vatican, and spread Socialism around the world

Long Live Revolution!

(sarcasm)

[SomoshiphopRadio]

Yo Soy Chavista Hijos de Puta! Me voy a Venezuela a Peliar por Chavez any time!

[yeeeeeee23]

eat chavez's small dick bitch

[SocialistaTribalista]

Participatory democracy wherby the people increasingly take on the role of the state aperatus and industry, take on more of an active role in the economic condition of the nation and its coordinating structure, you see this for example with the 30,000 community councils, with the worker controlled cooperatives and occupied factories(which I heard almost 80% of venezuelans dont even no about!)with internal party elections, with nationalization of industry under democratic control like Invepal,etc

[figocooldude]

as long as the state keeps on existing there will be no freedom, call it liberal democracy or a bolivarist state

[nazibreaker]

lol funny video go ahead americans try to cure ur complexes on saying venezueal dictatoship but we all know u want their oil too fuck u greedy capitalists fuck u better red then american and u will say how chavez label everyone who is against him as c.i.a or american spy/??ffs u labeled the whole world as terorist

[gnrlusr8]

Chavez is an idiot. Anyone who has ever heard him speak should easily be able to see that.

[KF4NR]

Of course, because he's like a Venezuelan hillbillie, he acts like one and talks like one. Yet all he does is bark against the U.S., but he won't bite, and when he's really in deep trouble, puts his tail within his legs, as the real dog he is. Chavez is the most ridiculous chief-of-state in Latin America and probably the entire world. Also, he acts like Castro's clown, imitating everything his master did or said, like a monkey, he repeats what he sees, he can't think by himself.

[QuartuvLarry]

Ever notice how socialism appeals to all the STUPID people? It's very easy to understand and user-friendly for the weak-minded. You know, like an ungrateful child screaming that his cookie isn't as big as the other kid's cookie and demands to have some of the other kid's cookie. Very spoiled, very obnoxious.

[SocialistaTribalista]

Why cant we socialists come up with such brilliantly insightful anaologies like yours to explain socio-economic philosophy. Lets see, we have Einstein, Panenkoek, Mattick and Chomsky, you have Greenspan, Friedman and Hannity.

[QuartuvLarry]

Dropping names, but not refuting. We don't want to engage all the difficult smart-people stuff like fiscal responsibility, or equity vs credit, or self determination, would we?

[SocialistaTribalista]

No not really because we werent talking about those matters, you made a rediculous attitudal simplification of socialism, I made fun of you. And its wrong, its not a matter of equality of wealth but equality of capabilities, democratic ownership of the means of production and distribution.

[QuartuvLarry]

"democratic ownership of the means of production and distribution" How absurd! The dollar is VERY democratic. And what I do with my own money, however much or little I have, is mine to do with as I please; you have no say in the matter nor should you. We all have the equal rights to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness, NOT THE GUARANTEE OF HAPPINESS! Damn! As if you were owed something just for living! That's a laugh!

[SocialistaTribalista]

Actually the dollar isnt. If you have 4 billion dollars and the means of production (land, capital,labor) to create more wealth and to accumilate my wealth, and I have 40,000 and no ownership of my labor Than were not even close to an equal footing. And as capital is not simply an economic but a social factor this will there position is intrinsically linked to the state.

[SocialistaTribalista]

Hell I never voted for the CEO of SONY and Niki yet they determine my economic conditions, to whom to distribute my labor product, and how it is distributed. We hold democracy for ending the unresponsiveness, unaccountability, and barbarism of monarchy (inherent rulers) whats wrong with extending that principle to industry? who knows best what your needs and wants are, or those of your family and community, you or some CEO 1,000 miles away? maybe your fine with a plutocracy, give me my democracy

[QuartuvLarry]

How well is Macintosh doing in the market these days? And Microsoft after the Windows Vista fiasco? You don't think those companies are getting their just desserts for trying to pull a fast one on its buyers? And better a representative republic than a pure democracy! Why a tyranny of the masses, save to use pretty, rhetorical words like "unite" or "rise up" or (blasphemously) "for the people". Cliches. Socialism has ALWAYS shown to stunt economic growth. I'm sure you'll learn that with age, kid

[SocialistaTribalista]

pretentiously condescending cop out, a fine way to end a conversation on a low note. 1) Its not a matter of just desserts its a matter of there institution and its role in society, slavery is still bad even if there able to kill the slave master. 2) The notion of tyrranny of the masses doesnt apply because it assumes only representitives can be a moderating impulse, and that elected delagates wouldnt exist in some form in socialism, as well as ingnoring the rugulating affect of cooperation

[SocialistaTribalista]

I'll assume you've never even considered the organizational structure of cooperation over competition in a democratically planned society, rather than one planned by centers of power with interests that by law have to favor the interests of there shareholders rather than the public good, with interests of "profit" and "benefit" that are intrinsically apposed to the working class (for example, a corportation is in the interests of reducing costs while a worker is in the interests of higher pay)

[QuartuvLarry]

What GOOD is that worker if he wants higher pay but does nothing better than before? Why not give ANYONE a whole lot of free money to assuage their lack of ambition? Oh wait. That's welfare, isn't it? The little boy gobbles up his cookie & the portion he took from the other boy's bigger cookie. Big boy decides to save his remaining portion for tomorrow, but the stupid kid starts bitching AGAIN that he still has less. Organizational structure is only good for so long. Complacency is death.

[SocialistaTribalista]

Again with those pulitzer winning analogies. No ones talking about free rides, no where even close, again which tells me you dont know the first thing about the philosophy you claim to dispise. By reorginizing totalitarian industry under democratic control, where by the workers cooperate to better suit the needs of the society (rather than groups of elites who suit there needs dispite society) the worker owns his labor, this is hardly a handout, and does with his labor as he see's best fit.

[SocialistaTribalista]

You assume the worker in society has no will to better himself, that may be true of capitalism, whereby the worker only gains more through exploiting other workers, and less through the fruits of his own labor. Your anaology works best the other way, where the kid with the big cookie demands more cookies from the kids with smaller cookies, and tries his best to give them less and less unless they help him get more cookies. You seem to have a real disdain for workers, elitism.

[QuartuvLarry]

Disdain? I AM one of those workers! But I actually understand a business for what it needs to do. I got laid off recently because production has gone down in the market. Going on welfare in my state forces the company to pay into one more unemployed employee, which is detrimental to its assets. They are being penalized for my unemployment because of circumstances outside their control. They can't control the market. They shouldn't have to pay.

[SocialistaTribalista]

well then support a single payer healthcare plan, working under the same basic principle of a private healthcare company, all Americans covered pay into the system (along with a portion in state funds) and distribute to those in need of the service without many conditions, essentially taking revenue from a broader base and foregoing the cost private companies would pay in income tax and advertisement. This has the benefit of taking the medical costs off the backs of private employers

[SocialistaTribalista]

which increases the competitiveness of U.S. produced goods like cars, in the international market by lowering the cost of production without having the state intervene with subsidies, which increases economic growth and trade, but thats an arguement against social democracy anyway not socialism so its beside the point, which tells me you still dont know what socialism is.

Now do you have any concrete arguemetns against socialism or can I put you down for the SPUSA?

[QuartuvLarry]

You seriously believe health insurance holds back auto industries? Why is China and India shitting out more cars than we are these days? They're cheap cars, but they're not built under the same regulations as ours, i.e emissions, employee wages. These countries are pulling ahead because they have fewer (expensive) qualms with things like human rights, fuel efficiency, environmentalism, etc.

We cling to these things to feel better about ourselves, & we fine, tax, & penalize the hell out of them.

[SocialistaTribalista]

Of course, and by the same measure of logic your ranting about, reduced cost, thats why Germany and Japan (not China & India) are killing us internationally in the market, because private employers dont have to tack on the extra $5-10,000 for healthcare.

Again, elitism. Yes China and India have fewer expenses because they dont have to care about the lives of its citizens, and you attack our commitment to these things as pampered western workers asking for what you consider they dont deserve?

[SocialistaTribalista]

All those expensive "qualms with things like human rights, fuel efficiency, environmentalism, emissions, employee wages" are things workers have faught and died for, and if they want it they have every right to do so because as I said earlier ITS THEIR MONEY, THEIR LABOR, all that money you expropriate from them, YOU as a capitalist have no right to it.

All that is beside the point, thats Social Democracy you have a problem with not Socialism (you have a very short attention span kid)

[SocialistaTribalista]

"The guy with the tiny boo-boo has to pay AS MUCH as the guy with cancer?" as apposed with private insurance schemes where the guy with cancer cant get the insurance in the first place because he qualified for one of the hundreds of stipulations, where a third of your payment goes into ads and not care.

I suggest you type in "Labor Theory of Value" by a Youtube user named Brendancooney because you keep conflating social democracy and Socialism thus going in circles.

[QuartuvLarry]

For all your talk and bluster, you're still advocating for a system of governance that requires its people to be beholden to it. What's the easy buttery way of doing this? Expand the welfare class. Make them DEPEND upon the system. Because that's how you CONTROL people, their speech, and ultimately their lives. It's easy to give away other people's money. But when -WHEN- the system breaks, all the people who've been so dependent upon it break with it. Now THERE'S collectivism for you!

[QuartuvLarry]

If this system is so airtight, why did Chavecheese try to expand his powers? Why does he need to create a police state? Why should human ambition of those from within the populace be quelled at all? Utopia indeed!

[QuartuvLarry]

Paying equally into a system that services an unequal amount of needs? One guy could have cancer where another has a scraped knee. The guy with the tiny boo-boo has to pay AS MUCH as the guy with cancer? How absurd! Like I said, you're not OWED anything just for living. Also, many people who CAN afford health insurance opted for the government hand-out insurance, essentially giving up their own insurance autonomy, their self-determination.

Collectivism shouldn't be compulsory. That'd be tyranny

[crusader92]

SocialistaTribalista, the stuff you and other communists say often sounds good, but in the practice you just can't get it to work. No country has, and no country ever will. To prefer cooperation over competition, for example, is unrealistic. Some people (like me) work hard whereas others are mediocre workers. It's part of human nature, and those who work hard will get frustrated and become mediocre if what they obtain is what the mediocre workers get. That's a reason why Communism has failed.

[SocialistaTribalista]

Your assesment of "communism" comes from the notion of centrally planned economies, the Soviet System where every worker gets an equal share. Despite all the red flags and rhetoric, that system is entirely apposed to actual socialism and REAL socialists have always apposed it, from Paul Mattick to Rosa Luxemburg in 1918 to Bakunin in 1872. As George Orwell said "nothing is more dangerous to socialism then the idea that Russia is socialist"

By the way, if I come off crass its unintentional

[SocialistaTribalista]

Cooperation over competition is the simple way of saying organize society on the basis of efficiency of need and want of a society, not simply maximization of production. Its not impossible anymore than its impossible to think people want more and want to satisfy their needs.

"Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labor of others by means of such appropriation"

[QuartuvLarry]

Not everything applies to an assembly line type of employment.But there's no accounting for cooperation in absolution. "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"? Why shouldn't a doctor get more than a janitor?

There's always going to be competition. Why should that be compulsively taken away? It's the human condition, and its deprivation has always shown in the mass misery prevalent in failed communist states.

[SocialistaTribalista]

Cooperation is the result of the structural change in society, not a result of some tyranical state intervention.

Cooperation is no more being enforced than it is in your local shop or at the Board of Directors of SONY.

This does not mean everyone gets an "equal" share for differant work, this idea comes from a gross manipulation of Marxism. If you are a worker and make 10 widgets a day, and the guy next to you makes 4, that doesnt mean you give him 3 (or the resulting surplus value)

[SocialistaTribalista]

It means you enjoy the fruits of your labor because you own your labor, and decide how and to whom to distribute, cooperative use of the means of production results becaue it becomes impractical and unuseful for competition of resources to occur, in such a new societal structure competition of resources raises prices as a result of the lacking resources.

If your arguement is that it does not abide to human nature of wanting more, or having choices, it does.

You've never read Marx have you?

[SocialistaTribalista]

Did that answer your question or anything in perticular you dont understand about it, or anything specific you have a "problem" with?

[crusader92]

SocialistaTribalista, you say that the Soviet Union was not a real Socialist country. Do you think that Lenin and Stalin, Kruschev, etc. would have agreed with you? Of course not. So why are you right, and why were they wrong? Was Fidel Castro wrong when he said he had installed a Marxist-Leninist system in Cuba? Which self-proclaimed Socialist countries were/are really Socialist? If none are, then how do you explain the failure to install real Socialism in any country? Can Chavez do it then?

[SocialistaTribalista]

Your right they wouldnt have agreed with me, and that doesnt matter because its an arguemnt of facts not of rhetoric. Put simply;

capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production & distribution

socialism is the democratic ownership of the means of production & distribution.

Stalinism/Leninism is the ownership of the means of production by the state in the "name" of the people

Private or state controlled it doesnt matter, its still capitalism, its still tyrany

[SocialistaTribalista]

Lenin based his philosophy on many un-Marxist ideas, as well as a very loose reading of Marxism,his view (or misperception of it as shown in his Book, State and Revolution)on the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, the notion of a Vangaurd Party (anti-Marxist), the supression of the Workers councils, and the way in which the revolution in Russia was carried out led to the USSR Empire (lenin beleived any dicatorship, no matter how brutal, was fine as long as it was, allegedly, for the Revolution)

[SocialistaTribalista]

Leninism is neither structurally, economicaly or in any real sense ethically Marxist, and even if it were the way in which it was carried out in Russia have no relation to anything Marxist.

Check out brendanmcooney (channel) on youtube, he ezplains much more point-by-point then I can with 500 letter comments (maybe if I wrote 20 of these,lol)

Check out his video, "Lenin and the State".

[SocialistaTribalista]

The failure to install socialism is a historical question,everytime capitalism has been questioned or challenged by some movement (the Paris Commune, Anarchist Catalan in Spain, Hungary 1956, FSLN Nicaragua) toward actual workers control, it has been crushed violently, either because it provides an example that may enspire others (thus fearing their own abolition) or to continue capitalist domination over people and area,along with a mass propaganda campaign against socialism by the USSR and USA

[crusader92]

Hungary 1956? That's when people were really "crushed violently". Anyway, I suppose you support "real Socialism" because you think it will exist some day. I believe you'll never see that day, and people like you have grown old and bitter waiting for real Socialism. I now live in the USA and I don't feel exploited. Since I'm poor I pay $3 a month for my $100-worth medication, I just got over $100 in a tax refund even though I paid less than $10 in taxes last year, I get food stamps, and more.

[SocialistaTribalista]

I supprt the bolivarian Revolution because it is democratic, it is a revolutionary proccess based on incresing participation in economic life by allocating power to workers councils and peoples councils. It follows all ethical steps like a free press, open democracy, extension of human rights (therfore not threatening the success of the revolution). The revoltion is based on good economics and is leading to real socialism,not State Capitalism, and has spread to Bolivia, Ecuador(my birthplace)etc

[crusader92]

You don't know Venezuela and Chavez like I do, or else you wouldn't say those things. "Ethical steps"? "Free press"? RCTV was taken off the air, my friend!!! "Extension of human rights"? Is that why I received threats from the government? Anyway, you say Venezuela is heading towards real Socialism, so Chavez will achieve what no man has achieved in human history, but in how many years, tell me? At what point would you become frustrated from waiting for real Socialism? Ten years, or fifty years?

[QuartuvLarry]

Is it true that Venezuelans were threatened with unemployment if they didn't vote for Chavecheese?

[crusader92]

Larry, one prominent Chavista congresswoman (Iris Varela) said on one election day (can't remember which election process) that anybody that worked for the state and didn't go out to vote should be fired. I wonder how revolutionary that would sound to our "real Socialist" friend. We all have friends or relatives that have been fired from state jobs for not supporting Chavez, and when I went out to gather signatures to release political prisoners, most people refused due to fear of retaliations.

[QuartuvLarry]

Good God! How endemic of socialism! I'm trying to act surprised, but I suck as an actor.

[crusader92]

In fact, the degree of idiocy is such in this revolution, that a minister at the time called Roger Capella said that anybody working under him would be "democratically fired" if they signed to activate the referendum against Chavez; he went on to say that no NASA astronauts belonged to the Democratic party under the Bush administration. That's why I said that our red friend doesn't know Venezuela as much as I do, nor even as much as you do.

[crusader92]

Let me correct something: Capella said that if any NASA astronaut signed to activate a referendum against Bush, he/she would be fired. Now I don't want to say anything else about Chavez because even here I feel I'm in danger.

[SocialistaTribalista]

"At what point would you become frustrated from waiting for real Socialism?"

it really seems that all your frustration comes from a lack of understanding of even the basics of socialism.

Its not a matter of waiting its a matter of what is being done, if the transition is actually occuring, if the society is progressing. No one waits for socialism. How long will you wait for Tibetan democracy before you get frustrated? how long will you wait for the groceries to nock on your door?

[SocialistaTribalista]

Yes Venezuela has a free press, but about the RCTV situation, you apperantly live in Venezuela so I dont know why you dont recall when they gave hours of free air time to the opposition during the 2003 managers lockout of PDVSA (illegal in the US), or when they called for the violent overthrow of the government, or when they took part in the massacre of april 10 2002(well documented and even cnn admited it) or their complete lack of journalistic ethics(reason for suspension of license in the US)

[crusader92]

SocialistaTribalista, when did RCTV call for the violent overthrow of the government? Exactly in what way did this TV station make this call? And exactly in what way did RCTV take part in the April 11 massacre? What difference was there between RCTV and Venevision? But Venevision's license was renewed. Don't you know that even the government contradicted itself repeatedly answering these questions, and you think you can do a better job, living in Ireland? Good luck!

[SocialistaTribalista]

Crusader92, they made the call by means of saying it repeatedly over the span of many years, calling for the military to "intervene" etc. Between January and April 2002 every TV host and Hostess on RCTV's news programs was calling for overthrow publicly, they were the ones who broudcast the Generals message (which was recorded in the house of an RCTV journalist, which was admitted on RCTV!) as well as organizing and re-routing the opposition march on April 10 2002 toward miraflores-

[SocialistaTribalista]

Creating an atmosphere of confrontation and anger, knowing full and well that a large pro-chavez demonstration was happening there, and being repeatedly told to stop this instigation.

The CNN correspondent, Otto Neustald reported that he was called on april 10 by fellow media organizations (considering that CNN would go along with it, which it did) that the march would be re-routed and that there would be deaths and that 20 or so military generals would appear on TV-

[SocialistaTribalista]

calling for Chavez to step down, this is before even a single death had been reported before the march had even begun, this is all well documented, hell even the Generals on April 11 thanked RCTV, Globovison and Venevision for their role in the coup.

Venevision was renewd because the international press would have had a feild day even greater to charge Chavez with closing down freedom of expression, it gave too easy an excuse to the world media who would never attempt to understand why

[SocialistaTribalista]

these stations were shut. They explained it time and time again, but none of the major news outlets reported in full, not even the IAPA! which shows the level of their integrity. The RCTV closure was to show the other stations to play fair, to show that the laws against treason and sedition would be enforced. It hasnt worked, and RCTV still broudcast semi terrestialy through Globovision, and while they dont call for his overthrow, they certainly hate him and present false and exxagerated news.

[crusader92]

SocialistaTribalista, RCTV as a channel never called for the military to "intervene", although many hosts did, which is not the same as RCTV making those calls. Which RCTV journalist are you talking about in whose house supposedly the Generals' message was recorded? Didn't Venevision broadcast the same message? But give me the name. What Otto reported has not been proven anywhere, much less so in a court, and has been denied by another reporter. RCTV did not organize or re-route the march.

[SocialistaTribalista]

RCTCV's former production manager Andrés Izarra cooberates what CNN and Neustald found, or does that not matter to you?

Where exactly did you hear that RCTV didnt re-route the march? wasnt it RCTV that hosted Carlos Ortega?

During the uprising that brought back Chavez RCTV broudcast cartoons and comedy programs, refusing to allow anyone to know what was happening, in direct violation of article 58 of the constitution.

[SocialistaTribalista]

RCTV owner Marcel Granier ordered on the day of the coup and the following day that there was to be "No information on Chávez, his followers, his ministers, and all others" on the station. How is that not RCTV supporting the coup?

RCTV ran over 17,600 'advertisements' in support of the sabotage of the managers lockout of PDVSA, most of which were paid for by the TV stations themselves, calling for the "removal of President Chavez"

And I'm just touching the surface, literally.

[SocialistaTribalista]

95 percent14 of the Venezuelan media is in opposition to Chávez, on a daily basis produce vitriolic 'news pieces' and editorials against the government. The private media includes Venevision, RCTV, Globovision, Televen and CMT which control at least 90% of the TV market, with smaller private stations controlling another 5%.In addition all of the 118 newspaper companies, both regional and national, are held in private hands, as are 99% of radio stations

Press freedom is alive and well.

[SocialistaTribalista]

So to sum up our conversation

You havent been able to prove:

RCTV didnt deserve to be shut down

-Venezuela is not democratic

-Socialism doesnt work

-real socialism is made up, only evil cuba is real

-the economy is horrible

prove to me RCTV didnt support the coup? prove to me RCTV didnt violate the law repeatedly? prove to me Venezuela is undemocratic? prove to me socialism doesnt work? prove to me Socialism is impossible?

And btw, where did you get the idea I'm Irish?

[simontimon2]

@SocialistaTribalista If socialism works then how come Venezuelan has the worlds highest murder rate.

Ever since Hugo Chavez took power the murder rate has tripled.

[SocialistaTribalista]

@simontimon2 Largely because inept officials in the state and local level have not implemented changes, because the drug trade has spread from Colombia to Venezuela despite massive victories in Venezuela against drug exporting, and because Chavez' government and the PSUV has concentrated enough attention to the issue.

How does that discredit socialism? the infant mortality rate in Angola is massive, does that discredit capitalism?

[simontimon2]

@SocialistaTribalista Under communist rule 65 million chinese starve to death. Do to the inefficiency of collectivised farming

[SocialistaTribalista]

@simontimon2

what exactly does Mao and central economic planning in a peasant society have to do with democratic ownership of the means of production and distribution which is what Venezuela is building? If you say they're the same, show me where in China you have democratically controlled factories, where in Beijing are there free trade unions? where in Mao's China was there democracy in industry? answer is; nowhere

Maoist China has nothing to do with the ideas of the Bolivarian Revolution

[SocialistaTribalista]

@simontimon2

Chavez hasn't done enough to combat crime from spilling over from Colombia, true, how does that discredit the idea of democratic ownership of industry (socialism) which is still being built in Venezuela, how do the two contradict?

When Mexico was the crime capital of the Americas, did you decry capitalism as a failed system? as Haiti lay in desperate poverty do you denounce the free market?

[SocialistaTribalista]

@SocialistaTribalista

btw, unlike me, who answered directly your questions about crime in Venezuela and why socialism hasn't "failed", you've completely ignored my question.

Chavez hasn't done enough to combat crime how does that discredit the idea of democratic ownership of industry (socialism, which is not complete in Venezuela)?

When Mexico was the crime capital of the Americas, did you decry capitalism as a failed system? as Haiti lay in desperate poverty do you denounce the free market?

[SocialistaTribalista]

If that had happened in the US, if FOX or CNN was repeatedly calling for the overthrow of the government, colluding with generals to overthrow Bush, constantly instigating violence, what do you think would happen to them? And the funny thing RCTV is a public service commercial station,lol. They signed a 20 year contract in 1987, which expired and was not renewed in 2007, they still operate their cable and satelite networks.

Its not about Chavez doing anything its about the people taking power

[QuartuvLarry]

I'm living below the poverty line myself, and I'm extremely happy that the state of Texas has rejected my application for unemployment welfare (I originally had few other options). I don't own the company I work for. That won't happen until I've proven my commitment, and stock options will be available to me. A company SHOULD be beholden to its shareholders. As is proper. I won't join a union because unions are little more than legalized racketeering outfits...although the intent was noble.

[crusader92]

Chavez says that the "Empire" is insensitive towards its people, especially the poor. Well, as I said, I'm a poor worker, so I got much more money back from the State and Federal governments than what they took from my paychecks. Also, for example, I get food stamps, and I have vitally important state medical insurance, which incredibly is equally available to non-citizens because I was told by one state worker that we had to show "compassion" towards immigrants. Oh, Uncle Sam is so evil!!!

[inteligenciaprimero]

Los radicales siempre están siempre dispuestos a condonar la violencia y los crímenes si ello justifica su ideología. El terrorismo de las potencias, Al-Qaeda, ETA, MRTA, sendero luminoso, el ELN, AUC y las FARC, Todos deben ser condenados por igual, pues al fin y al cabo causan sufrimiento, matanzas y violaciones a inocentes civiles en nombre de un ideal. Son simplemente asesinos.

[borntobelegend]

Imperliasts are beasts, savages, it turns people into animals.

[angelitoxxii]

This video is so biased. The images of the students being shot at are actually opposition students raising havoc. How could anyone call chavez a Nazi..on what basis...Prescott Bush did business with the Nazis...

[davidlove6]

hugo the homo is a nazi and the usa has bigger

guns then that fagot, we should arm his adversary's and arm them to the teeth

[naujitii]

Well, I'm not saying that Chavez is the good guy in here, But the US government is under the secret control of the elite few. Their interest are the profits that war does for them. I couldn't believe it at first but when I saw solid proof that that 9/11 was an inside job, I started to wake up.

[davidlove6]

inside job! well i think people like you enjoy 911 and if was a inside job i hold people like you responsible for it since you

know so much , people like you should be killed and your family should die because your anti usa and you would or have help enemy's of the usa kill innocent people and kids to ,i hope you and your anti usa lovers die a murderess death

[princerashed]

shut up u greedy bastard ur the problem and hugo is the solution.

[TURQUILAdrinks]

Hugo is asking between a Military alliance between Bolivia, Cuba, Dominican Republic, and Nicaragua for a common enemy, the U.S. Also don't forget about Red China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, the U.S will fall and it will be both a sad day and a great day of change in History.

[davidlove6]

well Hugo will hurt usa . i agree with you when there's a civil war in there country we should not let them in he USA or feed them because its non of our business let them fight it out and when they say help us america we say fuck you ha ha ha

[SocialistaTribalista]

I really dispise that type of rhetoric, its not helpful or accurate. the agreement is for self defence in case of US invasion or military action against ALBA member states. Its no possible threat to the US nor is it meant to be.

[TURQUILAdrinks]

Hugo Chavez isn't a bad guy, he isn't trying to take over the world he's just trying defend himself from the bully. The US!

They can't pass a law or something without the U.S coming in a changing shit. The U.S is the World Police basically. People don't like that. All the countries will rebel at one time, all great Nations have to have fall one day.

[angeltepuy]

que tipos tan brutos, pensar que porque no pensamos como ellos somos escualidos. no se dan cuenta que lo que buscamos es una libertad y no un totalitarismo? como 7 familias del mismo barrio pueden ser escualidos, si son tan pobres como ellos? aca los unicos que siguem ganando y sefuiran ganando simpre seran chavez y su cogollito de ladrones. pero bueno gracias a dios hasta el 2013.

[scientistrologus]

Fuck this! Viva the new Jesuschrist! Viva Chavez!!!!!!!!!

[mujaku]

Right now Hegel's World Spirit is on the side of Chavez. The Americas have been under the heel of the capitalists for a long time who don't give a damn about social safety nets or social values. In fact, they cut them down so everyone becomes a wage slave which is still slavery.

[PTS82]

So what? If the opposition can resort to foul-play ie an illegal coup against an elected president, and pocketing millions of US dollars to fund their campaigns of lies and propaganda, then Chavez and his supporters have a right to defend themselves.

[erickrevolucion]

Viva Chávez! Escualidos de Mierda lamebotas aduladores del Imperio! ese periodista Ingles es un manipulador de la información! vuelve otra vez al barrio para que veas la entrevista que te va a dar el pueblo!

[peepsauce]

I am alarmed at the presence of an armed militia in Venezuela, the red banners and che murals make for good scare mongering amongst those who dont know about Venezuela, but if they are only in defense (invasion or civil war) there legitimate in mostthe world (incl. US). John Sweeney is a hack by the way not a journalist, and the interview by his own admission highly edited

[kwbv05]

he who supports chavez is a narco terrorist

[MAHATAPKATA]

This is a total propaganda nobody who is against Chavez is not in danger. Venezuela is currently the most democratic country in the world!

[Forgiven1978]

Oh yea THEN WHY did CHAVEZ have one of his cabinet ministers Thrown in Jail for disagreeing with him on TV huh ? answer that big shot ....here in america we have whats called freedom of speech and we dont get thrown in jail for 6 years at a time just for disagreeing with our president .. wow TY GOD for giving me a mother who had me here in America !

[MAHATAPKATA]

Because your president smells, thats why.

[Forgiven1978]

Hey that i cannot help .. if bush doesnt want to shower that his decision lol

[SocialistaTribalista]

vwdv

[SocialistaTribalista]

Which cabinet minister? I'mpretty sure if there is one I can find the non ORVEX reason why. Second there is complete freedom of speech in Venezuela, there is no law banning it on pain of 5-6 years, if there is please reveal this personal secret of yours to the world.

[TURQUILAdrinks]

Freedom of speech?

Where the fuck have you been these past years Mr. Patriot?

After 9/11 you lost that with the enactment of the Patriot Act, that was the start. You can't have a protest without the Police shootng at you for no reason. Do some research and see what real Freedom you guys have, cause in some countries they have more freedom then us.

[magnoliasltd]

This is pure propaganda, Chavez does have a threat, and the people deserve to defend their country against any imperialist enemy. Look at Iraq, Afganistan, their is your evidence of genocide.Look at History and you will see a pattern emerging with the U.S at the front lines. All you people speak is ignorance without reason.

[aldopeter]

Toda esa basura ha sido armada por el régimen chavista. Son esos degenerados los que matan en sus propios barrrios decenas de personas diarias en Caracas. Son una realidad robolucionaria. Chávez confía en esos delincuentes para mantener atemorizada a la población.

[sol4mar]

Chavez instead of creating jobs for these people, he gives them guns and teaches them to kill.

[inferno0020]

Don't forget about the Chavez also teach these people to blame everything on Uncle Sam.

[luka55555]

and that isnt true?lol

[inferno0020]

lol another Che Guevara-wannabe who cannot even find Venezuela on the map.

[germita]

al la gran puta no le crean a estas culebras de bbc, esto esta hecho por un pedido de los yankees, nadie cre en la basura y mentira que dicen

[Kaiserh1]

Esto se ve mas montado, jajajaajaj el que habla tiene una pinta de sifrino se sabe que no es malandro de aqui a Pekin jajajaaj no se cansan de meter mentiras, pobres fracasados politicos.

[jimmy12006]

baaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!