Counting Coup - PZ Myers - Secular Student Alliance Conference 2009

[crocswsocks]

On the poster for Expelled, they've made Stein look so young he looks like he's Dick Cheney.

[daemonowner]

6:14 We don't need to make them seem ridiculous, they've saved us the effort.

[ASTCify]

PZ is outspoken awesomeness.

[ipeter22]

... our hearts by the Creator; yet there are many obstacles which prevent reason from the effective and fruitful use of this inborn faculty. For the truths that concern the relations between God and man wholly transcend the visible order of things, and, if they are ...

[ipeter22]

... translated into human action and influence it, they call for self-surrender and abnegation. the human mind, in its turn, is hampered in the attaining of such truths, not only by the impact of the senses and the imagination, but also by disordered appetites which are the consequences of original sin. So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful." - Pius XII

Now that makes sense.

[Fromanttodugong]

Only if you consider the speaker idea of sport was to take altar-boys virginity.

[ipeter22]

Use humor? Humiliate them? Make them look silly? Doesn't sound like a very "rational" approach to me. So Cain's wife was his sister. Myers provided no argument against that other than ridicule. Not very convincing.

[valhar2000]

And that speaks volumes.

[tuseroni]

do the SSA realize they are ASS backwards?

[valhar2000]

Excuse me! They BACK ASSWARDS!

[AmazinglyCleverName]

Wow, that was pretty cool.

[vysehrad]

Was that healthyaddict on the dinosaur?

[therod63]

Well GBart,

Maybe you do not have true understanding of the scriptures. and comments should be left alone.

[fusetube]

Nomed44, your comments make me smile. Science in the Bible? Jesus walking on water, oil in a lamp lasting for several days, trumpets bringing down stone walls, and enough rain in 40 days to cover all of the mountains in the world. Where is a single mention of atomic theory or plate tectonics? Where are galaxies and DNA? Aquatic mammals, flightless birds, the germ theory of contagious disease? We get instead parables and myth. May as well call The Odyssey science.

[Hirvassalo]

That's a very valuable point elegantly dramatized by NonStampCollector:

watch?v=zOfjkl-3SNE

[nomed44]

you dont think i know scribes made mistakes

There is over 100 THOUSAND PLUS mistakes

when the scribes translated it from Hebrew to Laten or greek

you have to remember that MAN or MEN Messed up the Translation

you have to understand that MEN Injected Names and Teachings in the Bible

im sa ying you "Could" take certian scriptures as science, im still trying to figure out the bible

no im not a christian

[nomed44]

this is only a little part of it dood fusetube

The Angels are well known NOT to have Genitalia

its well known that Angels are considered the sons of god, meaning there are no Women Angels

ok now check this out, Angels MARRIED and Took wifes of Men unto themselves, remember they cant have sex, you dont even have the understanding of marriage

Marriage is when a Man and a women have a Kid, a Virgin is a women or male who is OF AGE to have a kid,

[nomed44]

ok back to the Angels that Married women

they did not have Sex with women

But Through "SCIENCE" bioengineering, and Creation of there Cells and DNA through again Science, to create sperm to impregnate women

this is my own conclusion, now

you should know, if you mate a Tiger and a Lion, it makes a LIGER, Ligers are well known to be Bigger or "Abnormaly" bigger then the parents ok keep this in mind

[nomed44]

you have a Supernatural entity, or angel, that mates with a mortal women

you should expect it the child, or the Nephilm as the bible calls them

To be SUPER Naturally or Super Abnormally bigger then there parents

and then thats when it the bible says

In those days there were GIANTS

if you read through the OLD testament, go ahead and read it through, the GOD of the OLD Testament sounds like an Evil god, you know killing all those people and tribes, BUT, next comment

[nomed44]

Hes not an evil god, what you did not do is Understand the Tribe of the Nephilm the GIANTS, or TITANS

there are names givin the in bible which are for the most part incorrect or misunderstood

you have to remember the Giants or TITANS, learned that they did no have "Gods Blessing" ie satan, fallen angels, ect ect

and thats when the war with God of the Hebrews, the war against his Creations Started

[nomed44]

And this is where GOD of the hebrews becomes the god of war in a sense

he starts Genocid'ing all of the Tribes of the Nephilm and the Nations that worshipped them like gods

thats when he told Abram to get 240+ servants to go kill giants in the land

David Picked up 5 stones, Because Goliath had 4 brothers

Which Religions among the earth, have TITANS or Giants in there Myths and legends

if you study the bible, you have to study it like like history, science, among other things

[cyranothe2nd]

LOL, Stork Theory! I will ROFL forever over this!

[nomed44]

it was more of a structure, a sort of keep the peace

thats where the whole women are treated like dirt thing comes in, not really, there is way way way more understanding and teachings on that

[nomed44]

anyway screw my info from now but back to my main question

who is PZ Myers and what does he teach, and or what is he well known for

[cyranothe2nd]

PZ Meyers is a biologist and associate professor at U of Michigan. He also writes the popular blog, Pharyngula.

[nomed44]

also in the bible, or king james version

i did not find the word Polygamy

but i know and understand a teaching that you can take multiple wives, but the teaching is you have to give to them equally

99.99% im just kidding, most men cannot handle 2 women

the jelousy , and all the mess that comes with multiple wives, so its not encouraged

even millionaires could not do it

i guess it just depends on how much the women love you /shrug and the type of person you are

[nomed44]

ok i just finished the video

all i can say is that, there are/is some science within the bible, you just have to look for it

What does science say about our bodies? that every component within DIRT is found in our bodies

this could be taken out of context

2Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.

the dark unto the ground, is differnt shades of the earth, and of the earth, black brown, and yes there is white dirt

[GBart]

I found some: The earth is a fixed [Psalm 104:5] flat [Job 38:13, Job 11:9] disk [Isaiah 40:22] but is somehow also square [Revelation 7:1], and the sun orbits the earth [Ecclesiastes 1:5], apparently weaving through the pillars [Job 9:6] on the bottom side.

And apparently pi is exactly 3. [1 Kings 7:23]

Genesis gives two contradictory accounts of creation, and neither mention a solar accretion disk or other suns or planets.

Lots of science in there, alright.

[GBart]

Also, does jesus ever say anything about the laws of thermodynamics, or the germ theory of disease, or relativity, or anything else that might be useful?

[nomed44]

lol dick

i was just saying that you "could" take it as science, its just more of a take how you want, if its up the butt then so be it

also the deal with sleeping with your sister is incorrect

science has shown, you can have kids with your Step sister through your father,

meaning, if she is your sister through your mom, the kids will come out all fked up

ie incest through the children born from the same mother

you could take it as science or not, its one of those things, take it as you want

[cyranothe2nd]

Women are treated like property in the Bible.

[nomed44]

my understandings is women are EQUAL

but not the way you think, its Mother/motherhood

teaching or Raising the next generation, showing them love, kindness, ect ect,

you dont think we know why women go into witchcraft or wicca, they feel like they have no power

[nomed44]

im doing my little research, im not taking the bible literally

i know theres mistakes, im trying to translate, and fix the mistakes

for example, Jesus is not the name, that is the INCORRECT name Jesus translates from Jehovah from the hebrew

there is a snoball effect of figuring out if the translated scripture is wrong or incorrect, if this other scripture was injected by a man

or if some tard messed up the translation because he translated 2 days without sleep

there is alot of mistakes made

[yoda9931]

Then why do you not know Hebrew!?! One little mistake and you could be off to hell for eternity, you can't afford not to know the true meaning. Do you even own a copy of the "true bible"?

[nomed44]

Atlantis is well and widely known for bieng the most Scientifically advanced civilization in the world

how else do you think the fallen Angels impregnated women

they had no genitals, the ONLY other way would be through Bio Engineering and cloning, possibly cloning, amongst other things

but what you do not realize is there were Giants that ruled within Atlantis, God "flooded" the earth to get rid of the giants, moses was chosen because pure blood breed human

[nomed44]

ok look let me tell you this, there is no other way besides science on this one

There is a teaching that says, the angel said to MOSES Do NOT let Any Creatures that DO NOT Bow or Kneel before the ARC/boat, into the arc

now this is real Cryptic

Who Amongst the Earth, are creating creatures that are not of "gods"

but yet, you look at bio engineering, look at cloning methods, look at dna reconstruction

Could you NOT Create a Half man Half Horse, Through Science

how about Half Man Half Bull?

[GBart]

Ohhkayyy... somebody is on mushrooms.

[nomed44]

right and im the dumbest person who doesnt research

look at what Michael Tsarion says, In the Scriptures of India relgion

Shiva was to have said to Set of a weapon, that would Char or Burn a THOUSAND Chariots

it also mentions something of a Aircraft, it could be interpreted that way

Shiva was fire the weapon, and the weapon was so HOT that POSEIDON, could not Exit the water because his flesh was charred or burned

also note, WTF is a greek figure fighting with a Indian god

[nomed44]

ill just be smart and not study, not even atempt to understand whats going on

ill just be like GBART

really WTF WHY is SHIVA in a AIRCRAFT

Firing a NUCLEAR TYPE WEAPON

AT POSEIDON who is a Greek Mythology Figure god

Explain

please explain brain god of this deminsion GBART

[GBart]

Yes, vimanas, the Ramayana, I know exactly what you're talking about. I just understand the difference between reality and fiction.

[nomed44]

im just interested in this stuff dood

i like looking into this stuff

i know some of the teachings and understandings, as well as making the connections

ohh and REALITY and FICTION

I found Mount Sinai brother

i found the Rock that moses split into 2, and water gushed out

i know where it is at

its in Saudi Arabia , east of the red sea

also there is a documentary where a women and her man, found the remains of sodom, and it did have remnants of Brimstone

or what you would call SULFUR

[jezmundberserker]

nomed44, whatever you're smoking, I want some!

[GBart]

Would you also like to discuss who would win in a fight between the Enterprise and a Star Destroyer?

[nomed44]

did you know another name for the Anti christ and satan is

Dajjal and Yoti or some call Yodi

you think your smart enough to put 2 and 2 together

Dajjal or Jedi, Yoti or yodi = Yoda

look at the Matrix, its the Anti Christ Version of the bible

Neo and Morpheos on the SHIP called the

Nebuchadnezzar

the kind of Babylon who wanted to Destroy Gods Children, or Israelites,

[nomed44]

Look at Han Solo, hes the charasmatic Anti christ, whos Companion is the hairy beast, said to accompany the antichrist, Chewbacca

Look at Vader "he dies" loses his humanity, comes back, and rules with the EMPEROR

the Emperor is actually "god" while vader is actually the so called famous name "jesus"

you think we are stupid huh?

you dont think we know of the Luciferian Doctrine known as the New World Order

your not fooling me, your just fooling yourself

[GBart]

No, I don't think you're stupid at all. Just crazy.

[nomed44]

ill just leave off with this

I know where Mount Sinai is

i know where the rock that he split is

i know where elijahs cave is at mount sinai

i know where Moses split the sea and where he crossed

i know a few of the Tribes of Israelites

i do see them waking up, and them regaining there knowledge of that they were and are the children of israel

i found out Spartans are related to the Israelties, through SOLOMON's, Colonies he sent throughout the land

[nomed44]

Alex Jones said Al Quada does not exist

conspiricy theorist huh? just some crazy nut like me huh?

BBC reported Al Queda does not exist

RUETERS reported, USA is funding the TALIBAN at the tune of 1 BILLION dollars a year

Remember when it was a nutjob conspiricy when there was NO SUCH THING as a Council of Foreign Relations

Now there is How many members on the Council of Foreign Relations

30 people 40 people 50?

i though you said i was crazy, im sorry brother, maybe your the one whos insane

[vysehrad]

Thumbed up for entertainment value.

[nomed44]

lol

its funny, no one studies, no one researches

lets just say Mainstream Religions are/is a cult, there are alot of False Doctrines that they teach

people forget, people forget the God of the Hebrews is a God of Forgiveness

But they forget even, or Not acknoledge even MORE that the God of the Israelites is a

God of War

[nomed44]

will someone give me info, on what this group does and what they are known for

im sure some of you that commented attended this class

[Veovisce]

What a great talk. Succinct, expressive, and filled with tidbits of humor. Also, what excellent advice for how to deal with the absurdity we are faced with as people with secular ideals: laughing at the opposition and making clear what is so funny. It really is the best way to expose that absurdity. So, thanks to PZ for the awesome talk, and thanks to the SSA for posting it!

[DavidWillB]

I was there. It was a great conference.

[VoteNixon2008]

Way to go Ashley! Ride 'em cowgirl!

[PuttingOnTheFoil]

Great talk! Thanks for posting it for all to see.

[tigsdk]

Yep, awesome, and funny.

[personalsinr]

awesome talk PZ!

[WilkyMay609]

PZ is my hero.

[quammski]

Great talk PZ.

[ADogCalledBaxter]

Te Papa used tax payer money to hire a Maori to bless the squid. It's not all perfect here in New Zealand.

[mgodfrey1981]

How come fundie xtians never post talks like these?

[J2124123]

Great talk, great video, great man. Nice and civil approach to the enemies of reason. Well done SSA.

[Mr500sheetsofpaper]

Great talk

[poweredxbyxhope]

17:40

Isn't that illegal?

[FreePlay]

Unfortunately not.