People make mistakes, if that mistake happens to be marrying someone who's wrong for you, you've got 2 choices: live with it, or live with cats, lots of them.
So if you had a wife who turned to Islam and refused to listen to her husbands beckoning about belief in Christ, then you cannot Divorce her, but its OK for God to Divorce His people who disobey him? Isnt that a double standard? Shouldnt we be imitators of God? Ephesians 5:1 (NIV) Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children.
If a wife runs off commiting physical Adultery or if she turns to another God (Spiritual Adultery), arent they both causes for Divorce?
@delawarecop That's a question you must answer yourself. It seems that you've already made up your mind about how you would like for it to be..which naturally leads to the question: Are you divorced? You have to ask yourself if your views completely line up with the commandments that we have been given? It is in fact the way that everyone needs to look at their currently held beliefs...do they line up with what has be written? If not, we must move towards God's view, not vice versa.
@TheCaseForDivorce Gods view of Spiritual/Physical Adultery & Divorce is clearly described in Ezra chapters 9 & 10. But this is only evidence for those people who dont already have their own preconceived idea of what God finds acceptable.
If you read the story of Hosea & Gomer you will also see that God is clearly teaching us that Spiritual Adultery & Physical Adultery are considered the very same Sin to Him. Christ also taught a similar concept in Matthew 5:28.
Jer 31:32 - not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says Jehovah;
Jer 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
@TheCaseForDivorce .which naturally leads to the question: Are you divorced?
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Nice try but while I am divorced and remarried I know a number of Christians who ARENT who came to the EXACT biblical conclusions I have long before I ever even opened a Bible.
When you people run out of arguments you pull this 'are you divorced' nonsense to try to get around the facts.
@delawarecop God doesn't divorce His people, that's the point. A covenant is a covenant. The marriage relationship is "one flesh" just as a believer is Christ's bride. It is an unbreakable bond. The permission of divorce because of the sin of man does not annul the bond God created in their marriage.
@rokylvsemily Yes, you are partially right. Gods people are only those who hear His commandments and obey. If they dont obey, they are rebellious - becoming evil, then He does Divorce those people. Thats why they will be cast into the lake of fire reserved for the devil & his followers. A covenant is always conditional, as is Gods love always conditional. Sin separates (Divorces) us from God. If we confess our sins, repent, and ask forgiveness, then He is righteous to forgive us.
Very correct about the conditional aspect of this covenant. There are some unconditional covenants in the OT, but the Mosiac covenant was filled with 'IF's and was quite conditional, as is the Covenant of Jesus Christ which shows time and again things such as 'IF' we fall away.....etc, etc, etc,' and direct warnings against doing so.
These permanency of marriage liars always have to pull some dishonest tripe about this covenant being unconditional or some such error.
@delawarecop God's love is absolutely unconditional. When God passed through severed animal parts to seal the covenant with Abraham, He knocked Abraham out and passed through by HImself. It says "the Lord made a covenant". No mention of Abraham This signified that He alone would uphold the covenant. It is God's covenant with His people and Jesus' covenant with His church, the upholding of which is up to them. Once we are "married" by Christ there is no separation.
@rokylvsemily My friend you dont know God. He tells us so many times in scriptures that His love is only IF you OBEY MY commandments. Search the scriptures and you will see that God HATES Satan and his angels - those who were cast out of heaven. If Gods love is unconditional like you say, then why is God set to destroy them and all those who disobey God?
Im not sure what Bibel you are reading my friend, but its cannot be the KJV 1611 Holy Bible, because mine is very clear on this!
@delawarecop We're not talking about Satan, and I do not mean to cause controversy. However, I'm fairly certain that I'm biblically correct. Can you give me some examples of the Scriptures you're talking about? I'm not saying sin warrants God's love. I'm saying that God established His covenants, NEVER did a human establish the covenants. That means they are God's covenants and He is perfect and will perfectly keep them. I notice you didn't comment on the Abrahamic covenant...
@rokylvsemily Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands.
Can you see how God only keeps His covenant with those who love Him and KEEP HIS COMMADMENTS?
Try Deuteronomy 5:9-10 ....but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
If you cannot see that Gods love for us is conditional, then PRAY HARD
@rokylvsemily James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Romans 3:30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
1 John 2:24 The man who says, "I know God," but does not OBEY His commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
@delawarecop Faith leads to obedience, we've established that. There is NO disagreement there. But what do you do with Eph. 2:8-9? The gift of faith leads to works and not the other way around.
@delawarecop Better yet do you keep ALL of God's commandments perfectly? If not then you are not loved by God. You're missing the point of Jesus. The Law was given to show us that we can't keep it. It was given to point us to Jesus who is the AUTHOR (insinuating he initiates it) and PERFECTER (insinuating he sanctifies us) of our faith. Jesus kept the Law for us so that we might have the righteousness of God in Him.
@rokylvsemily I have no teaching friend, I simply read the scriptures and allow the Holy Spirit to teach and guide me into all truth. All the words I have put are form God - not me! Its not for us to pick and choose what we will believe, and nor is there any short-cut to God. We justified by faith, saved from our sins by His grace, but we will be judged according to our works we perform after we have received the Holy Spirit, who leads us into all truth.
@delawarecop So you're saying that if someone truly has received the Holy Spirit they will be judged just as a non believer? I'm just trying to get clarity, I love Jesus Christ and the Word of God, despite what you think. Jesus sacrifice saves us from past present and futures sins. That's not to say we go on sinning, because the Spirit sanctifies us, but we have received Christ's righteousness(imputation 2. Cor. 5:21). We will be judged as spotless because of Him. Anything else isn't the gospel.
@rokylvsemily Only if we have repented of our sins and asked Him to forgive those sins, then we will be counted as spotless. Which is why we are told to pray withour ceasing. If we continue to sin willfully, then there is no salvation by any means. Its not once saved always saved - thats a lie!
The seal of God is the Holy Spirit, if we have His seal, then we will be saved. Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
@delawarecop Ok, let's not act like we're not on the same team. We both love Jesus. That's what's important. I do disagree with one being able to lose salvation, but only because I believe Scripture teaches that when a person is truly saved they will not be snatched from God's hand. I emphasize truly saved because if someone "loses" salvation they were never saved by God's grace. They were pretending. Your zeal for the Lord is evident, I love you brother.
@delawarecop And even Eph. 4:30 says that IF you have the Spirit you are sealed for the day of redemption. One is not "unsealed" before then. If it appears so, they were never "sealed". It would make no sense to use the word "sealed" if it didn't mean until the day of redemption.
@rokylvsemily The seal is what identifies us so that we do not receive the plagues during the tribulation, like during the 5th angels trump in Rev 9:4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the SEAL OF GOD on their foreheads.
Ths sign on the hands and foreheads is a SPRITUAL sign of obedience to Gods commandments by following the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit. See Deuteronomy 6:1-8
@delawarecop Ok, we're not gonna see eye to eye that's obvious. I believe the Bible teaches a pre-tribulation rapture of His church. Regardless, a seal is much more than a marker, it's a...seal. As in "sealed for the day of redemption." not "sealed so the angels don't plague you" Anyway,Jesus can set us both straight in heaven. I'm sure we'll have lots of time. God Bless
@rokylvsemily Yes friend, I know that you have a different spirit because you do not read the word for yourself, but only read according to the teachings of man. Rev 9:4 makes it painfully clear that there is no Pre-Tribulation rapture. In fact the word rapture doesnt even get a mention in scriptures, therefore its UNSCRIPTURAL.
The Bible is clear that at the LAST TRUMP, the dead in Christ will rise first, and those who remain faithful in the Lord will be caught up to Him.......
@delawarecop I read it all for myself. I have carefully read and compared every proof text you have provide, no matter how out of context of misused it was. You avoided every questions I asked, Scripture I provided, etc. And you have the nerve to declare I a not a Christian? Do you realize that what you described "the last trump etc." is what people call "the rapture"? Nobody ever said the word "rapture" came straight from the text. Keep your faulty doctrine to yourself, I beg you.
@rokylvsemily Hebrews 10:26-27 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Hebrews 6:4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, ...if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance.....
@rokylvsemily Let me ask you a simple question which will clarify the matter completely. Do you keep the 4th Commandment? If so, then which day do you keep?
Your answer to this question will tell me if you have the Spirit of Truth or another spirit. If you do not know the truth, then the answer can only be given to you through the Holy Spirit from God. The answer is in scriptures, but only for those who have read and understood in the Spirit of Truth.
@delawarecop No, my answer won't tell you anything. It breaks my heart that you do not see what Jesus has accomplished on your behalf. He fulfilled the Law for us, it's accomplished...what day you keep the Sabbath is irrelevant, it's the principle behind the commandment. The Bible teaches we're free from the burden of the law because of Jesus(Romans). He frees us to live as sons and daughters out of love rather than slaves to law. I will not answer your question. I'm done here.
@rokylvsemily Isaiah 8:20 Look to God's instructions and teachings! People who contradict his word are completely in the dark.
22“As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord
Im sorry friend, but you are not a Brother in Christ because you speak of a different testimony. No Sabbath
These verses from Isaiah 66 clearly tellus that Gods Sabbath which was instituted at creation will be kept even after a New Heaven and a New Earth is made.
(KJV) Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT. 17 It is a SIGN between me and the children of ISRAEL FOREVER: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
@delawarecop Mosaic Covenant!! Christ fulfilled the Law!!! The Sabbath is very important, but salvation does not rest on keeping it. Why do you insist on mining for supporting Scriptures and disregard the testimony of the rest of Scripture? The way you use the Bible is deplorable, I believe you mean well, but you are very misguided. My guess is you don't consult commentaries or anything. You read that ancient King James and choose to interpret it however you choose.
@rokylvsemily hEBREWS 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.
Let me ask you friend, aren't you setting an example of disobedience by failing to Worship our Creator on His appointed Sabbath Day? And yet you call yourself saved?
@delawarecop Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Does sit look as though everything has been accomplished yet? Perhaps in your eyes, but certainly not in my eyes. Therefore the Law hasnt changed, but the way that we make atonement for our sins has changed. The Sacrifice & Oblation were replaced by the blood of Christ.
@delawarecop First, can you please tell me where you're getting this assumption that I don't worship or take a sabbath? Before, I simply refused to answer you're question, never indicated that I didn't honor sabbath. Second, if you think that salvation rests in the Law you know NOTHING of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
@delawarecopNow to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works.( Romans 4) You have to reconcile the Scriptures with each other. Faith justifies and leads to works, works do not save and our fate does not rest in them.
@rokylvsemily John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 16:7-8 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, He will convict the world of its SIN, and of God's righteousness, and of the coming judgment. (2Cor5:10) (1Peter1:17)
@delawarecop Yes, Jesus taught that the Holy Spirit is our helper, and the convicting and illuminating force in the world. Also, in John 14:26 He told the disciples the Spirit would be responsible for there ability to perfectly remember all that He had just revealed to them regarding Himself and the OT prophecies. What relevance does that have to the conversation, and why do you never answer any questions I ask?
@rokylvsemily Because if you truly have the Spirit of Truth, then you will know what I am speaking about. If any spirit is teaching that the Law is not important, then its not from God. Sure it wont save you without faith in Christ, nor are you justified by it, but you will be judged according to whether you have kept the Law or not.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies & genealogies & arguments & quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
I allow Gods Words to speak without directly arguing with you, because thats what the Spirit tells me to do.
2 Timothy 2:14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
There is only one Law, it came from God, and it works obedience in those with Spirit of Truth!
@delawarecop Once again you've pulled Scripture out of context (Titus 3:9), used it in a despicable way to attempt to promote your faulty doctrine, twisted my words (I NEVER said the Law isn't important. I showed Scriptural support that the written Law was to convict us of sin and point us to Jesus) and accused me of not being a Christian. You will be judged according to the Law, but Jesus kept it perfectly for those who are His. they will be judged as having His righteousness.
@rokylvsemily (NLT) Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 ON JUDGEMENT DAY many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you WHO BREAK GODS LAWS.’
And you might ask, "How can I have His righteousness?"
Well He will send you the Holy Spirit who will show you how to keep His commandments, and we have Chists blood to cover our sins if we confess them and repent of them. But the intent is always to keep the Law, knowing that we are not saved by our works, nor justified by them, be we will certainly be judged by our attempt to keep the Law.
This includes His Sabbath Day. The disciples and apostles kept the Sababth & Passover after Christs ressurection. Do you how to keep them?
@delawarecop He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2Cor5:21 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness 1John1:9
"if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified and your mouth that you confess and are saved.
@rokylvsemily EXACTLY FRIEND. IF and only if you confess your sins! But how do we know what sin is? Its disobedience to Gods Laws. If you dont know the Laws, then how can you confess your sins?
So I'll ask you again, Which day do you worship God? Do you keep His Passover memorial - if so, do you recognize the Creators appointed times, or a time which suits you best? Disobedience to the Law is sin, so how can you confess your sins if you dont know the Law,? So how are you saved?
@delawarecop You've successfully ignored the Scriptures I present except the ones you choose, once again. What do you think "purify us from all unrighteousness" means? It means that the blood of Christ covers our failure to keep the Law. Even sins we don't know we commit or omit. It is impossible that you have confessed all your sin, your are naieve if you think you have. We have Christ's perfect standing with God. Passover now? Are you Jewish? Or just confused?
@rokylvsemily Actually I leave the conviction up to the Holy Spirit, then I confess as it has been revealed to me whilst Im reading His Word. I will not argue scriptures, but needless to say we are at different growths in Christ. I will keep His Sabbaths to worship Him and His Passover as a memorial of Christ our Passover Lamb who was slain.
If you dont esteem those days to be of importance yet, then its none of my concern. If you have the Spirit of Truth, then He will convict you
@delawarecop The danger with yur teaching, is the same with the Catholics and other such organizations. If you sin then just confess and you will be forgiven. Or once saved, always, saved. They are lies!
Philippians 2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED -- not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence -- continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
@delawarecop By the grace of God, through the sacrifice of Jesus, not my fulfillment of the Law, I have His righteousness. I love God's Law, I do not disregard it. But, the Bible teaches Jesus is our only hope of fulfilling the Law.
@rokylvsemily Yes exactly, because without Jesus you cannot receive the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit you have no hope of keeping the commandments.
What exactly about that prinicple is so hard to understand? My 6yr old daughter can understand that obedience to Gods commandments is only possible through the indwelling Holy Spirit. It cannot be done alone. But dont try to make the Laws of God of lesser importance. Obedience is vital for salvation. Dont be deceived!
@delawarecop Don't talk down to me, you're the one twisting words. I've never once downplayed obedience. Jesus was very clear that to teach someone to disobey is a grave mistake. However, salvation absolutely does not lie in obedience. Salvation lies in the saving work of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit sanctifies us which leads to a better ability to love and adhere to God's Laws, but keeping the Law is impossible until we have been fully redeemed. You're downplaying redemption.
@rokylvsemily (Keeping the Law is impossible?) Luke 1:6 Both of them were upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commandments and regulations blamelessly.
Jude 1:24 To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy.
2 Peter 3:14 ...make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
Mat 5:28, 1Peter 1:15, 2 Cor7:1, Eph 5:1, 2Peter 1:3
@delawarecop You're again leaving out all the Scripture that teach the other side of this. That Jesus imputes His righteousness to us. That the Holy Spirit sanctifies us ( you didn't leave those out just misused them). That God chose us to be blameless in Him before the foundations of the world. "All have sinned and FALL (present and continuing tense) short of the glory of God" Romans is the best place to go to understand the relationship between the Law and the Christian.
@delawarecop Keeping the Law perfectly is impossible. "blamelessness" has its source in grace, not religion. This is shown in the original language when referring to Noah. Noah did not keep God's Law perfectly. Noah didn't even have the Law. The favor he found was a result of grace. So if Noah did not keep the Law perfectly (he could not have as he didn't have it), by your reasoning He shouldn't be "saved" correct? Again, we both love Jesus, but I think you're burdening people withworksnot Jesus
@rokylvsemily You are circling the issue, its you who suggest the Law is of less significance, but I say that we can keep the Law under guidance of the Holy Spirit which we have received by faith in Christ. If we do fall then he is righteous to forgive us if we repent and turn from our sin. But if we sin wilfully once having come to the knowledge of the truth, then there is no more remission of sins.
Be careful not to teach Mediocrity regarding the Law - its fruit is more sin.
@delawarecop I'm not circling, I've actually addressed your comments. You rarely have responded to mine directly. I don't know why you keep insisting that I view the Law as insignificant. I don't know how much clearer I can be: I don't think the Law is insignificant. It's God's perfect standard. But the Scripture teaches that we cannot keep it perfectly. We're really not that different, but you made this hard by prooftexting instead of conversing.
@rokylvsemily If grace is more important than the Law, then why do the Apostles keep the Sabbath & Passover in Acts, yet you call me a Jew for doing the same? If the Law really is impressed upon your heart, then you would know why we do.
How can you try to keep the Law if you choose to ignore it? Thats what I refer to with mediocrity. I never said you can be saved by the Law - I said you will be JUDGED by how you have tried to keep it - if the spirit of obedience is in you!
@delawarecop I assure you I will avoid teaching mediocrity. I actually have been studying the holiness of God in my theology courses and the only response to Him is reverence and obedience. In turn, I would ask you to avoid teaching Law over grace. The Pharisees were guilty of the same. God Bless you, and I mean that wholeheartedly. Again, I know neither of us understand perfectly. I long for the day when we do. I will be responding no more.
@rokylvsemily If what you say is true, then you will know when the Lords Sabbath Day is, won't you? So in accordance with Ezekiel 46:1-3 where God tells us the ONLY acceptable days of worship to Him, which days of worship did you learn to keep in your Theology classes? Isaiah 66:23 tells us we will be keeping the same days in the future also, so what days are they, and how do you calculate them?
Or do you think that because we are under GRACE, then we can just ignore God?
@delawarecop I implore you to examine the biblical evidence again in hopes that you will stop enslaving people to a fear of losing the love of God because it is "conditional".
@rokylvsemily John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." Does this sound like a condition to you?
Is this clearer for you? John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
1 John 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.
@delawarecop Every Scripture here is speaking of saving faith manifesting in obedience to God. I never one time disputed that. So are you proposing that works are what give us salvation?
@rokylvsemily Why try to change the topic? You were speaking of Gods covenant of love towards humans, and I have shown you that covenant is conditional upon the terms which God has given. Its not my words friend - its His.
Rev 20:12 ....The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. James 2:20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
@delawarecop I'm not changing the subject, the question is relevant and you have yet to answer any except with your proof texts. I have never ever advocated faith without works. I'm well aware that Jesus said "If you love me you'll obey me". However, you seem to be saying that even a true Christian is ripped from the body of Christ by a case of disobedience.
@delawarecop Let me clarify what I'm saying. I feel like we've mixed two weighty topics. The Abrahamic covenant was and is one sided, and you cannot deny it. God alone has kept His covenant with Israel and the Church, despite their adultery. As for His love, yes there are "conditions", like being born again. Professing and believing in Christ is essential, and true conversion results in obedience. I'm in no way disagreeing. If I've led you to believe I advocate universalism, forgive me.
@AssemblyMinistries1 It is you who are in error, God never divorced Israel.That is a faulty interpretation of Scripture.God made a covenant with Abraham which He alone is to uphold. If He were to break it then He would cease to be God. And, again divorce is different from a dissolution of a covenant. They're different.
@delawarecop ...forbidden. God and Satan do not mix, especially in the covenant of marriage.
Also, marriage is not a contract, it is a covenant...so divorce is not a "breech of contract". Just like the different specialties in medicine, marriage ministry is a spcialized area that deserves just as much attention as any other spiritual area, so there is no "harping" going on, only following where God leads.
@delawarecop Thank you so much for bringing up the Ezra passage where God's people went against His commandments by marrying those who worshiped other gods and idols. Jesus also talked about an exception to divorce when speaking about "fornication", those who were involved in temple prostitution for foreign gods. It all has to do with first committing the sin of marrying those who worshiped foreign gods (all of which came from the deception of Satan), something that was absolutely
Whoever marries a divorced committh adultery. Notice that if remarriage is acceptable according to this pastor, then the remarriage would never be labeled by Christ as "Adultery" Adultery is only when one party is married which is the divorced person is still married to the first husband/wife. Remarriage and the breakup of the family is the work of the devil. It is in direct contradiction to everything Christ taught and God designed man and woman for. Have fun now and pay later for eternity
@UltimateGoalOfLife When one person is abused verbally, mentally and emotionally as well as physically, that too is the work of the devil and because of the HARDNESS of peoples hearts - when they refuse to repent and STOP being abusive, when they refuse to get help, when children are witnesses to destructive behaviour THEN I believe there IS a case for divorce. God hates a lot of things - a man that covers himself in violence, liars, evil. Those that hurt children.
@JMMCL16 Yes, certainly true to separate (either until the issues are resolved or continue in the separation permanently which society can call it by any name such as divorce). However, living separate means chaste and that is never a ticket to remarry or engage in dating and promiscuity (That is adultery) because the two are married even they are separated. However, now people wants to do as they wish and remarry, which is fine, but do not call sin as it is in line with justice and God's law!
@TheOldschool1979 It's sad that too many Christians do not read their Bible for themselves and find out what the Truth is according to the Word of God. Amen TheOldschool1979!
The only reason why I comment on this video. Is because I went through a divorce, due to the fact that my own husband decided to walk out on me. That why we need to be careful on how we view things. In my case, I didn't have a choice to go through a divorce. And it was one of the hardest thing ever to go through. Yet God has taught me So Much during that time period. And I am doing very well & God has shown Himself completly Faithful through it all.
I am going to comment on this. God sayd he Hate divorce, but He doesn't hate divorce people. The divorce rate within the church is the same as outside the church. The divorce rate is 50%. Each case is different and we need to be able to reach out to those who are going through a divorce or whatever the situation may be. We need the love of Christ to the person and be open to the Holy Spirit.
@fire4jesus27 Thank you for your comment on the video Christian Divorce? While I completely agree with the fact that no matter what a person's situation is, we need to actively show them the love of God, my own focus is to stop the enemy's plan to destroy marriages and families, getting to the root of the problem instead of trying to fix the after effects of the damage. As Christians, we are commanded in 1 Corinthians 7 to not seek to separate or divorce.
God says a hardened heart causes divorce and nothing else. If Jesus was obedient enough to die on the cross then I know as a true Christian we should be able to forgive our spouse for anything that happens. God Hates divorce so we should also. Anger, bitterness, selfishness, pride, and unforgiveness cause divorce and that is God's truth. Christ will never divorce His bride to why do we divorce our spouses and say we love God. To Love God is to love eachother and no keeps no record of wrongs
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People make mistakes, if that mistake happens to be marrying someone who's wrong for you, you've got 2 choices: live with it, or live with cats, lots of them.
nooobsaibot 4 weeks ago
So if you had a wife who turned to Islam and refused to listen to her husbands beckoning about belief in Christ, then you cannot Divorce her, but its OK for God to Divorce His people who disobey him? Isnt that a double standard? Shouldnt we be imitators of God? Ephesians 5:1 (NIV) Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children.
If a wife runs off commiting physical Adultery or if she turns to another God (Spiritual Adultery), arent they both causes for Divorce?
delawarecop 1 month ago
@delawarecop That's a question you must answer yourself. It seems that you've already made up your mind about how you would like for it to be..which naturally leads to the question: Are you divorced? You have to ask yourself if your views completely line up with the commandments that we have been given? It is in fact the way that everyone needs to look at their currently held beliefs...do they line up with what has be written? If not, we must move towards God's view, not vice versa.
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@TheCaseForDivorce Gods view of Spiritual/Physical Adultery & Divorce is clearly described in Ezra chapters 9 & 10. But this is only evidence for those people who dont already have their own preconceived idea of what God finds acceptable.
If you read the story of Hosea & Gomer you will also see that God is clearly teaching us that Spiritual Adultery & Physical Adultery are considered the very same Sin to Him. Christ also taught a similar concept in Matthew 5:28.
delawarecop 1 month ago
Jer 31:32 - not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says Jehovah;
Jer 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Pretty clear to me!
delawarecop 1 month ago
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@TheCaseForDivorce .which naturally leads to the question: Are you divorced?
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Nice try but while I am divorced and remarried I know a number of Christians who ARENT who came to the EXACT biblical conclusions I have long before I ever even opened a Bible.
When you people run out of arguments you pull this 'are you divorced' nonsense to try to get around the facts.
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AssemblyMinistries1 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop God doesn't divorce His people, that's the point. A covenant is a covenant. The marriage relationship is "one flesh" just as a believer is Christ's bride. It is an unbreakable bond. The permission of divorce because of the sin of man does not annul the bond God created in their marriage.
rokylvsemily 1 month ago
@rokylvsemily Yes, you are partially right. Gods people are only those who hear His commandments and obey. If they dont obey, they are rebellious - becoming evil, then He does Divorce those people. Thats why they will be cast into the lake of fire reserved for the devil & his followers. A covenant is always conditional, as is Gods love always conditional. Sin separates (Divorces) us from God. If we confess our sins, repent, and ask forgiveness, then He is righteous to forgive us.
delawarecop 1 month ago
@delawarecop
Very correct about the conditional aspect of this covenant. There are some unconditional covenants in the OT, but the Mosiac covenant was filled with 'IF's and was quite conditional, as is the Covenant of Jesus Christ which shows time and again things such as 'IF' we fall away.....etc, etc, etc,' and direct warnings against doing so.
These permanency of marriage liars always have to pull some dishonest tripe about this covenant being unconditional or some such error.
AssemblyMinistries1 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop God's love is absolutely unconditional. When God passed through severed animal parts to seal the covenant with Abraham, He knocked Abraham out and passed through by HImself. It says "the Lord made a covenant". No mention of Abraham This signified that He alone would uphold the covenant. It is God's covenant with His people and Jesus' covenant with His church, the upholding of which is up to them. Once we are "married" by Christ there is no separation.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily My friend you dont know God. He tells us so many times in scriptures that His love is only IF you OBEY MY commandments. Search the scriptures and you will see that God HATES Satan and his angels - those who were cast out of heaven. If Gods love is unconditional like you say, then why is God set to destroy them and all those who disobey God?
Im not sure what Bibel you are reading my friend, but its cannot be the KJV 1611 Holy Bible, because mine is very clear on this!
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop We're not talking about Satan, and I do not mean to cause controversy. However, I'm fairly certain that I'm biblically correct. Can you give me some examples of the Scriptures you're talking about? I'm not saying sin warrants God's love. I'm saying that God established His covenants, NEVER did a human establish the covenants. That means they are God's covenants and He is perfect and will perfectly keep them. I notice you didn't comment on the Abrahamic covenant...
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands.
Can you see how God only keeps His covenant with those who love Him and KEEP HIS COMMADMENTS?
Try Deuteronomy 5:9-10 ....but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
If you cannot see that Gods love for us is conditional, then PRAY HARD
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop I will ask again are you advocating works based salvation?
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily James 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Romans 3:30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
1 John 2:24 The man who says, "I know God," but does not OBEY His commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Faith leads to obedience, we've established that. There is NO disagreement there. But what do you do with Eph. 2:8-9? The gift of faith leads to works and not the other way around.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Better yet do you keep ALL of God's commandments perfectly? If not then you are not loved by God. You're missing the point of Jesus. The Law was given to show us that we can't keep it. It was given to point us to Jesus who is the AUTHOR (insinuating he initiates it) and PERFECTER (insinuating he sanctifies us) of our faith. Jesus kept the Law for us so that we might have the righteousness of God in Him.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
*not loved by God according to your teaching
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily I have no teaching friend, I simply read the scriptures and allow the Holy Spirit to teach and guide me into all truth. All the words I have put are form God - not me! Its not for us to pick and choose what we will believe, and nor is there any short-cut to God. We justified by faith, saved from our sins by His grace, but we will be judged according to our works we perform after we have received the Holy Spirit, who leads us into all truth.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop So you're saying that if someone truly has received the Holy Spirit they will be judged just as a non believer? I'm just trying to get clarity, I love Jesus Christ and the Word of God, despite what you think. Jesus sacrifice saves us from past present and futures sins. That's not to say we go on sinning, because the Spirit sanctifies us, but we have received Christ's righteousness(imputation 2. Cor. 5:21). We will be judged as spotless because of Him. Anything else isn't the gospel.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Only if we have repented of our sins and asked Him to forgive those sins, then we will be counted as spotless. Which is why we are told to pray withour ceasing. If we continue to sin willfully, then there is no salvation by any means. Its not once saved always saved - thats a lie!
The seal of God is the Holy Spirit, if we have His seal, then we will be saved. Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Ok, let's not act like we're not on the same team. We both love Jesus. That's what's important. I do disagree with one being able to lose salvation, but only because I believe Scripture teaches that when a person is truly saved they will not be snatched from God's hand. I emphasize truly saved because if someone "loses" salvation they were never saved by God's grace. They were pretending. Your zeal for the Lord is evident, I love you brother.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop And even Eph. 4:30 says that IF you have the Spirit you are sealed for the day of redemption. One is not "unsealed" before then. If it appears so, they were never "sealed". It would make no sense to use the word "sealed" if it didn't mean until the day of redemption.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily The seal is what identifies us so that we do not receive the plagues during the tribulation, like during the 5th angels trump in Rev 9:4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the SEAL OF GOD on their foreheads.
Ths sign on the hands and foreheads is a SPRITUAL sign of obedience to Gods commandments by following the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit. See Deuteronomy 6:1-8
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Ok, we're not gonna see eye to eye that's obvious. I believe the Bible teaches a pre-tribulation rapture of His church. Regardless, a seal is much more than a marker, it's a...seal. As in "sealed for the day of redemption." not "sealed so the angels don't plague you" Anyway,Jesus can set us both straight in heaven. I'm sure we'll have lots of time. God Bless
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Yes friend, I know that you have a different spirit because you do not read the word for yourself, but only read according to the teachings of man. Rev 9:4 makes it painfully clear that there is no Pre-Tribulation rapture. In fact the word rapture doesnt even get a mention in scriptures, therefore its UNSCRIPTURAL.
The Bible is clear that at the LAST TRUMP, the dead in Christ will rise first, and those who remain faithful in the Lord will be caught up to Him.......
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop I read it all for myself. I have carefully read and compared every proof text you have provide, no matter how out of context of misused it was. You avoided every questions I asked, Scripture I provided, etc. And you have the nerve to declare I a not a Christian? Do you realize that what you described "the last trump etc." is what people call "the rapture"? Nobody ever said the word "rapture" came straight from the text. Keep your faulty doctrine to yourself, I beg you.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Hebrews 10:26-27 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Hebrews 6:4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, ...if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance.....
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Heb. 10:26-27 says nothing of being saved and losing it. It says receiving knowledge not salvation.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Let me ask you a simple question which will clarify the matter completely. Do you keep the 4th Commandment? If so, then which day do you keep?
Your answer to this question will tell me if you have the Spirit of Truth or another spirit. If you do not know the truth, then the answer can only be given to you through the Holy Spirit from God. The answer is in scriptures, but only for those who have read and understood in the Spirit of Truth.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop No, my answer won't tell you anything. It breaks my heart that you do not see what Jesus has accomplished on your behalf. He fulfilled the Law for us, it's accomplished...what day you keep the Sabbath is irrelevant, it's the principle behind the commandment. The Bible teaches we're free from the burden of the law because of Jesus(Romans). He frees us to live as sons and daughters out of love rather than slaves to law. I will not answer your question. I'm done here.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Isaiah 8:20 Look to God's instructions and teachings! People who contradict his word are completely in the dark.
22“As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord
Im sorry friend, but you are not a Brother in Christ because you speak of a different testimony. No Sabbath
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
These verses from Isaiah 66 clearly tellus that Gods Sabbath which was instituted at creation will be kept even after a New Heaven and a New Earth is made.
(KJV) Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT. 17 It is a SIGN between me and the children of ISRAEL FOREVER: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Mosaic Covenant!! Christ fulfilled the Law!!! The Sabbath is very important, but salvation does not rest on keeping it. Why do you insist on mining for supporting Scriptures and disregard the testimony of the rest of Scripture? The way you use the Bible is deplorable, I believe you mean well, but you are very misguided. My guess is you don't consult commentaries or anything. You read that ancient King James and choose to interpret it however you choose.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily hEBREWS 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.
Let me ask you friend, aren't you setting an example of disobedience by failing to Worship our Creator on His appointed Sabbath Day? And yet you call yourself saved?
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Does sit look as though everything has been accomplished yet? Perhaps in your eyes, but certainly not in my eyes. Therefore the Law hasnt changed, but the way that we make atonement for our sins has changed. The Sacrifice & Oblation were replaced by the blood of Christ.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop First, can you please tell me where you're getting this assumption that I don't worship or take a sabbath? Before, I simply refused to answer you're question, never indicated that I didn't honor sabbath. Second, if you think that salvation rests in the Law you know NOTHING of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop and the context of 6:4-6 allows for a few different intended meanings of "partake" or "shared", this does not necessitate saving faith.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@delawarecopNow to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works.( Romans 4) You have to reconcile the Scriptures with each other. Faith justifies and leads to works, works do not save and our fate does not rest in them.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 16:7-8 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, He will convict the world of its SIN, and of God's righteousness, and of the coming judgment. (2Cor5:10) (1Peter1:17)
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Yes, Jesus taught that the Holy Spirit is our helper, and the convicting and illuminating force in the world. Also, in John 14:26 He told the disciples the Spirit would be responsible for there ability to perfectly remember all that He had just revealed to them regarding Himself and the OT prophecies. What relevance does that have to the conversation, and why do you never answer any questions I ask?
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Because if you truly have the Spirit of Truth, then you will know what I am speaking about. If any spirit is teaching that the Law is not important, then its not from God. Sure it wont save you without faith in Christ, nor are you justified by it, but you will be judged according to whether you have kept the Law or not.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies & genealogies & arguments & quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
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delawarecop 3 weeks ago
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I allow Gods Words to speak without directly arguing with you, because thats what the Spirit tells me to do.
2 Timothy 2:14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
There is only one Law, it came from God, and it works obedience in those with Spirit of Truth!
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Once again you've pulled Scripture out of context (Titus 3:9), used it in a despicable way to attempt to promote your faulty doctrine, twisted my words (I NEVER said the Law isn't important. I showed Scriptural support that the written Law was to convict us of sin and point us to Jesus) and accused me of not being a Christian. You will be judged according to the Law, but Jesus kept it perfectly for those who are His. they will be judged as having His righteousness.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily (NLT) Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 ON JUDGEMENT DAY many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you WHO BREAK GODS LAWS.’
And you might ask, "How can I have His righteousness?"
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
Well He will send you the Holy Spirit who will show you how to keep His commandments, and we have Chists blood to cover our sins if we confess them and repent of them. But the intent is always to keep the Law, knowing that we are not saved by our works, nor justified by them, be we will certainly be judged by our attempt to keep the Law.
This includes His Sabbath Day. The disciples and apostles kept the Sababth & Passover after Christs ressurection. Do you how to keep them?
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 2Cor5:21 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness 1John1:9
"if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified and your mouth that you confess and are saved.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily EXACTLY FRIEND. IF and only if you confess your sins! But how do we know what sin is? Its disobedience to Gods Laws. If you dont know the Laws, then how can you confess your sins?
So I'll ask you again, Which day do you worship God? Do you keep His Passover memorial - if so, do you recognize the Creators appointed times, or a time which suits you best? Disobedience to the Law is sin, so how can you confess your sins if you dont know the Law,? So how are you saved?
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop You've successfully ignored the Scriptures I present except the ones you choose, once again. What do you think "purify us from all unrighteousness" means? It means that the blood of Christ covers our failure to keep the Law. Even sins we don't know we commit or omit. It is impossible that you have confessed all your sin, your are naieve if you think you have. We have Christ's perfect standing with God. Passover now? Are you Jewish? Or just confused?
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Actually I leave the conviction up to the Holy Spirit, then I confess as it has been revealed to me whilst Im reading His Word. I will not argue scriptures, but needless to say we are at different growths in Christ. I will keep His Sabbaths to worship Him and His Passover as a memorial of Christ our Passover Lamb who was slain.
If you dont esteem those days to be of importance yet, then its none of my concern. If you have the Spirit of Truth, then He will convict you
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop The danger with yur teaching, is the same with the Catholics and other such organizations. If you sin then just confess and you will be forgiven. Or once saved, always, saved. They are lies!
Philippians 2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED -- not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence -- continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop By the grace of God, through the sacrifice of Jesus, not my fulfillment of the Law, I have His righteousness. I love God's Law, I do not disregard it. But, the Bible teaches Jesus is our only hope of fulfilling the Law.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Yes exactly, because without Jesus you cannot receive the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit you have no hope of keeping the commandments.
What exactly about that prinicple is so hard to understand? My 6yr old daughter can understand that obedience to Gods commandments is only possible through the indwelling Holy Spirit. It cannot be done alone. But dont try to make the Laws of God of lesser importance. Obedience is vital for salvation. Dont be deceived!
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Don't talk down to me, you're the one twisting words. I've never once downplayed obedience. Jesus was very clear that to teach someone to disobey is a grave mistake. However, salvation absolutely does not lie in obedience. Salvation lies in the saving work of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit sanctifies us which leads to a better ability to love and adhere to God's Laws, but keeping the Law is impossible until we have been fully redeemed. You're downplaying redemption.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily (Keeping the Law is impossible?) Luke 1:6 Both of them were upright in the sight of God, observing all the Lord's commandments and regulations blamelessly.
Jude 1:24 To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy.
2 Peter 3:14 ...make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
Mat 5:28, 1Peter 1:15, 2 Cor7:1, Eph 5:1, 2Peter 1:3
The Holy Spirit makes it possible!
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop You're again leaving out all the Scripture that teach the other side of this. That Jesus imputes His righteousness to us. That the Holy Spirit sanctifies us ( you didn't leave those out just misused them). That God chose us to be blameless in Him before the foundations of the world. "All have sinned and FALL (present and continuing tense) short of the glory of God" Romans is the best place to go to understand the relationship between the Law and the Christian.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Keeping the Law perfectly is impossible. "blamelessness" has its source in grace, not religion. This is shown in the original language when referring to Noah. Noah did not keep God's Law perfectly. Noah didn't even have the Law. The favor he found was a result of grace. So if Noah did not keep the Law perfectly (he could not have as he didn't have it), by your reasoning He shouldn't be "saved" correct? Again, we both love Jesus, but I think you're burdening people withworksnot Jesus
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily You are circling the issue, its you who suggest the Law is of less significance, but I say that we can keep the Law under guidance of the Holy Spirit which we have received by faith in Christ. If we do fall then he is righteous to forgive us if we repent and turn from our sin. But if we sin wilfully once having come to the knowledge of the truth, then there is no more remission of sins.
Be careful not to teach Mediocrity regarding the Law - its fruit is more sin.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop I'm not circling, I've actually addressed your comments. You rarely have responded to mine directly. I don't know why you keep insisting that I view the Law as insignificant. I don't know how much clearer I can be: I don't think the Law is insignificant. It's God's perfect standard. But the Scripture teaches that we cannot keep it perfectly. We're really not that different, but you made this hard by prooftexting instead of conversing.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily If grace is more important than the Law, then why do the Apostles keep the Sabbath & Passover in Acts, yet you call me a Jew for doing the same? If the Law really is impressed upon your heart, then you would know why we do.
How can you try to keep the Law if you choose to ignore it? Thats what I refer to with mediocrity. I never said you can be saved by the Law - I said you will be JUDGED by how you have tried to keep it - if the spirit of obedience is in you!
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop I assure you I will avoid teaching mediocrity. I actually have been studying the holiness of God in my theology courses and the only response to Him is reverence and obedience. In turn, I would ask you to avoid teaching Law over grace. The Pharisees were guilty of the same. God Bless you, and I mean that wholeheartedly. Again, I know neither of us understand perfectly. I long for the day when we do. I will be responding no more.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily If what you say is true, then you will know when the Lords Sabbath Day is, won't you? So in accordance with Ezekiel 46:1-3 where God tells us the ONLY acceptable days of worship to Him, which days of worship did you learn to keep in your Theology classes? Isaiah 66:23 tells us we will be keeping the same days in the future also, so what days are they, and how do you calculate them?
Or do you think that because we are under GRACE, then we can just ignore God?
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop I implore you to examine the biblical evidence again in hopes that you will stop enslaving people to a fear of losing the love of God because it is "conditional".
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him." Does this sound like a condition to you?
Is this clearer for you? John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
1 John 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome.
Clear?
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Every Scripture here is speaking of saving faith manifesting in obedience to God. I never one time disputed that. So are you proposing that works are what give us salvation?
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@rokylvsemily Why try to change the topic? You were speaking of Gods covenant of love towards humans, and I have shown you that covenant is conditional upon the terms which God has given. Its not my words friend - its His.
Rev 20:12 ....The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. James 2:20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
delawarecop 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop I'm not changing the subject, the question is relevant and you have yet to answer any except with your proof texts. I have never ever advocated faith without works. I'm well aware that Jesus said "If you love me you'll obey me". However, you seem to be saying that even a true Christian is ripped from the body of Christ by a case of disobedience.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop Let me clarify what I'm saying. I feel like we've mixed two weighty topics. The Abrahamic covenant was and is one sided, and you cannot deny it. God alone has kept His covenant with Israel and the Church, despite their adultery. As for His love, yes there are "conditions", like being born again. Professing and believing in Christ is essential, and true conversion results in obedience. I'm in no way disagreeing. If I've led you to believe I advocate universalism, forgive me.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
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God doesn't divorce His people, that's the point. A covenant is a covenant
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You are in error.
God divorced His people by giving them a writ of divorce in the OT quite clearly.
Jesus and others in the NT are VERY CLEAR about falling away and subsequent separation (ie 'divorce") from God.
And no, marriage is NOT unbreakable, otherwise it COULD NOT have been broken during the entire Mosiac Covenant.
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AssemblyMinistries1 3 weeks ago
@AssemblyMinistries1 It is you who are in error, God never divorced Israel.That is a faulty interpretation of Scripture.God made a covenant with Abraham which He alone is to uphold. If He were to break it then He would cease to be God. And, again divorce is different from a dissolution of a covenant. They're different.
rokylvsemily 3 weeks ago
@delawarecop ...forbidden. God and Satan do not mix, especially in the covenant of marriage.
Also, marriage is not a contract, it is a covenant...so divorce is not a "breech of contract". Just like the different specialties in medicine, marriage ministry is a spcialized area that deserves just as much attention as any other spiritual area, so there is no "harping" going on, only following where God leads.
TheCaseForDivorce 1 month ago
@delawarecop Thank you so much for bringing up the Ezra passage where God's people went against His commandments by marrying those who worshiped other gods and idols. Jesus also talked about an exception to divorce when speaking about "fornication", those who were involved in temple prostitution for foreign gods. It all has to do with first committing the sin of marrying those who worshiped foreign gods (all of which came from the deception of Satan), something that was absolutely
TheCaseForDivorce 1 month ago
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delawarecop 1 month ago
Whoever marries a divorced committh adultery. Notice that if remarriage is acceptable according to this pastor, then the remarriage would never be labeled by Christ as "Adultery" Adultery is only when one party is married which is the divorced person is still married to the first husband/wife. Remarriage and the breakup of the family is the work of the devil. It is in direct contradiction to everything Christ taught and God designed man and woman for. Have fun now and pay later for eternity
UltimateGoalOfLife 6 months ago
@UltimateGoalOfLife When one person is abused verbally, mentally and emotionally as well as physically, that too is the work of the devil and because of the HARDNESS of peoples hearts - when they refuse to repent and STOP being abusive, when they refuse to get help, when children are witnesses to destructive behaviour THEN I believe there IS a case for divorce. God hates a lot of things - a man that covers himself in violence, liars, evil. Those that hurt children.
JMMCL16 2 months ago
@JMMCL16 Yes, certainly true to separate (either until the issues are resolved or continue in the separation permanently which society can call it by any name such as divorce). However, living separate means chaste and that is never a ticket to remarry or engage in dating and promiscuity (That is adultery) because the two are married even they are separated. However, now people wants to do as they wish and remarry, which is fine, but do not call sin as it is in line with justice and God's law!
UltimateGoalOfLife 2 months ago
@JMMCL16 true but divorce is till sin and to remarry while your spouse is still IS adultery Romans chapter 7
BiGMANJOE32 2 months ago
@TheOldschool1979 It's sad that too many Christians do not read their Bible for themselves and find out what the Truth is according to the Word of God. Amen TheOldschool1979!
TheCaseForDivorce 9 months ago
The only reason why I comment on this video. Is because I went through a divorce, due to the fact that my own husband decided to walk out on me. That why we need to be careful on how we view things. In my case, I didn't have a choice to go through a divorce. And it was one of the hardest thing ever to go through. Yet God has taught me So Much during that time period. And I am doing very well & God has shown Himself completly Faithful through it all.
fire4jesus27 9 months ago
@fire4jesus27 God is ALWAYS faithful in what He has promised to do. Keep your faith and trust in Him always.
TheCaseForDivorce 9 months ago
I am going to comment on this. God sayd he Hate divorce, but He doesn't hate divorce people. The divorce rate within the church is the same as outside the church. The divorce rate is 50%. Each case is different and we need to be able to reach out to those who are going through a divorce or whatever the situation may be. We need the love of Christ to the person and be open to the Holy Spirit.
fire4jesus27 9 months ago
@fire4jesus27 Thank you for your comment on the video Christian Divorce? While I completely agree with the fact that no matter what a person's situation is, we need to actively show them the love of God, my own focus is to stop the enemy's plan to destroy marriages and families, getting to the root of the problem instead of trying to fix the after effects of the damage. As Christians, we are commanded in 1 Corinthians 7 to not seek to separate or divorce.
TheCaseForDivorce 9 months ago
@fire4jesus27 I'd invite you to check out some of teachings on marriage and divorce by looking at my "Favorite" videos.
TheCaseForDivorce 9 months ago
God says a hardened heart causes divorce and nothing else. If Jesus was obedient enough to die on the cross then I know as a true Christian we should be able to forgive our spouse for anything that happens. God Hates divorce so we should also. Anger, bitterness, selfishness, pride, and unforgiveness cause divorce and that is God's truth. Christ will never divorce His bride to why do we divorce our spouses and say we love God. To Love God is to love eachother and no keeps no record of wrongs
supersportrsz28 11 months ago