What happens to you after you die?

[boboro999]

YOU'RE A PRESUPISITIONAL(not even a word) FUCKFACE

[sharpjaws]

so will you beat your wife when you get married??

[156268diego]

this dude should have put the pipe dwn b4 rec this. i couldnt even follow what he says. questions are questions assumptions underlying bla bla bla

[t3r221n4t0r]

the blue glasses really makes him look gayish

[jaygorny]

woody harrellson from natural born killers???

[ScrapGoldBass]

The question is what do you THINK happens to you when you die? Its not wrong to ask this question, and mind-body duelism does not have to be a presuppisition in the mind of the asker. IMO the best answers are, "I can never KNOW this side of the grave, but I HOPE it is blah blah blah" or "I think nothing will happen"

[hempartist420]

you decompose, and your energy is returned to the earth

[FaidleyEthan]

turtle turtle turtle

[G3org3Master]

I made a new word: Kniskda which means: Your spirit flies to heaven.

Thus, by logic, I can answer the question correctly with, after death kniskda.

(This is some of the crap clever religious people try to do to get around questions such as this, and many people go along with it.)

[dkennedy31326]

the whole time i watched this video all i could think was "glasses"

[SAOTUBE]

@SAOTUBE Maybe we are just a collection of atoms and molecules and the idea of mind or soul is a just illusion.

[neokill99]

he looks like kevin spacey

[FlashJack85]

So your presupposition is that the mind and body are one and the same? Pfft. Your 'yacker' is just your commentator. How many times have you been doing some routine task and 'notice' you just did something unplanned or unexpected? Did you ask yourself, "Now, why did I just do that?" Where's your mind/body unity in that situation? Man, are you gonna be surprised when. But don't worry, someone will help you out.

[TheBaxterbeaver]

You probably think your some badass mad scientist that comes up with confusing answers that are simple to answer you go to heaven or hell you probably hell

[GreatGungHolio]

Earth spinning the wrong way. anyhoo

[G3org3Master]

@GreatGungHolio yeah. Maybe it is upside down though?

[HeyRuka]

I really wasn't paying attention until 0:52. Whatever you did to your voice, it had me mesmerized...and the shades. Now, to re-watch.

[DarkKnightBob1o1]

dualism is false.

[WhoIsTreG]

you're wrong my friend.......its a very interesting question

[StrRoyalty]

ur glasses are messed up..

[missmaria212]

Wow those glasses are pretty wicked cool...

[CousinoMacul]

@missmaria212 Thanks! :-)

[vyanez08]

just say you don't know asshole. regardless on wheather you have died and come back yet. you are a mind body moron. prerequisite. you don't do something to know for sure that something exist. i want my 3 minutes and 40 seconds back cause that how long it toook me to finish typing asswipe

[MissionaryVisionary]

@vyanez08 Its funny how you wasted your own time, watching a video that actually had a point behind it, and you lash out because you couldn't understand the concept he was explaining. Please, give me back my 2 minutes, thats how long it took me to reply to this idiocy.

[otakurocklee]

If there is no mind body dualism... there is no death... you are your body... your body stops functioning, your body decomposes... the material that constitutes your body is never destroyed... either it remains matter or is at some point converted to energy...

If there is no dualism, there is no birth or death... there is just conservation of matter and energy.

[ReligiousFiction]

Please do a video explaining why you reject dualism! I find people's journeys out of dualism fascinating... mine took a long time.

[Nevyle]

Im not sure I get the direct link to the question posed...

Certainly you dont dismiss the fact that we die, so that part is intact and valid to ask...

You dismiss that there is a 'you' after the fact ???

ok, lets rephrase then:

" When do you stop being you ???? "

[poodtang1]

CousinoMacul

In my opinion:

My soul is my consciousness. My conscienceness is my mind looking back it itself.

My mind is organic, organic things die the end.

[thedefendingchamp]

Well...do you still beat her or not?

[CousinoMacul]

That's an existential question.

[Censeo]

Why does it always rain on me, is it because I died when I was 17?

[muzakgeek]

Love that Travis song.

[neilmcdonald72]

dude you have the gayest fucking glasses i have ever seen.

[ElectronicPhone]

what does the rejector of mind body dualism say to the question, were in my brain is the color blue?

[CousinoMacul]

I'm not sure I follow your question. You seem to be implying that blue is a "thing" with a location. Blue is a sensation. Asking where it's located is like asking where in the brain cold is located. Being a sensation, the better metaphor would be that it's a certain pattern of brain activities (probably) occurring in the visual cortex.

[ElectronicPhone]

i think your saying blue is a "something" located somewhere, that is, in the visual cortex, if im correct.

but if blue is a certain pattern of sensations or maybe neuron happenings as you say it is, then why don't i experience blue as a pattern of neurons firing?

if all blue is IS a pattern of neurons then what of non neuron based beings. can they experience blue as we do?

[CousinoMacul]

"why don't i experience blue as a pattern of neurons firing?"

In a sense you do since what you consider to be "you" IS an evolving process of neuronal firing.

"what of non neuron based beings. can they experience blue as we do?"

I don't know. My guess is that "as we do" is a no.

[scottp118]

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. As I view this video I feel like I'm watching a philosophy student masturbate, and it's embarrassing. Totally pedantic. There's no need to go into dualism. There's no presupposition in the question "what happens to us when we die?" and that question is just NOT analogous to "what did you wear to Lincoln's inauguration?" Only hours of over-analysis and a well-practiced disconnect from reality can lead to these kind of conclusions. Sorry to sound harsh, all IMHO.

[M0THERKN0WSBEST]

Sorry, but is it not the THINK part of the question, that makes this video somewhat null and void?

As far as not a very interesting question?, it might not be to you, but would you not agree that there is a smorgasbord of man made related comfort oriented bullshit out there directly offering some semblance of a retort to that age old question? suggestive perhaps of an interest level slightly above, for an example, " is there a god?"

By the way, ... what the fuck are you rambling on about?

[SteveAcevedo1]

who the hell is this fuck and why is he using fucking SAT words

[zgiusx]

Eloquent, Articulate & Intelligent! Who really couldn't love this guy!

[MaBu888]

The answer is tetralemma. Neither beat wife nor not beat wife, nor not not, notnot not...

[CousinoMacul]

Are you sure that's not a false tetrachotomy? ;-)

[MaBu888]

False and not fals, not not false, not not not not. Negation of negation and negation of no negation.

[popebenadict16]

nice retort.what kind of operation is that?

[MaBu888]

I die.

[myjizzureye]

If you put John Lennon glasses on a penis this is what it would look like. At least look into getting a wig mate the shine off your head is off putting.

[sabot96]

It is important to ask the right questions to get answers that will allow us to grow. It would seem we have been asking the wrong questions for too long. When I say us and we I mean mankind.

[iMute0]

i just would say that flat out asking the question "what happens after you die?" does not assume 'mind body dualism'.

[TheRationalSide]

Sophist dumbfuck

[MaBu888]

But he's right.

[SisterfromHell]

Wow. This discussion was interesting for me because I have always been with the idea of an afterlife. And for me, it will either happen or it will not. I don't know what kind of an atheist I am but I think there are different kinds. Or maybe I'm just not educated on neuroscience and other matters. But the mind behind this video fascinates me.

[jogayot]

and you are really a wife beater. why the presupposition of the dualism? you could could have matter of factly answered the question with simple: "blimy... i'm dead, i guess".

[aARIESsSs]

maybe if the question was" what do you think your spirit or soul does after you die?" , then i could see some validity and warrent talking about mind body dualism, he assumes the asker of the question in this video assumes mind body dualism, which is incorrect, when the fact is something does happen your body decomposes so there is no assumption that something happens, then to top it off with classical music and the reference to George orwell makes me grade this 0% out of 100% wrong wrong wrong

[aARIESsSs]

just another psuedo counterfeit intellectual who likes the sound of his own voice. form a hypothesis to a valid question. sadly most people will not understand this man, and say wow he must be really smart, to the small percent of us, this is just a long boring way of saying I DONT KNOW while trying to cling to his pride. and that question is one of the questions man has been pondering since he was able to grasp the concept, so you do not even deserve to broadcast you opinion.

[aARIESsSs]

wow this guy is way off, what do you think happens to you after you die? its not presuppositional, you just assumed it was, you could answere my energy stays and my consciousness fullfilled its duty,it

is a very valid question, and very interesting, all you have to answere is i dont think anything happens after you die, or your body and consciousness stop functioning, or what ever you believe, yet this video failed to approach an answere and only speaks on the validity of the question, OBSURD!

[zarkoff45]

"...what do you think happens to you after you die? its not presuppositional."

No, to be non-presuppositional it would have to be phrased "Do you think anything happens to you after you die?"

"What happens..." implies something happens to you AFTER (not when) you die. It neglects the possibility that there is no you after death.

[aARIESsSs]

those are both the same, they both ask what does he think, after death even if you dont believe you "soul" or "consciousness" or "spirit" lives on, your body and its energy does, so he should say my body decomposes and resumes its endless cycle of existence(energy cannot be created or destroyed) in know way does the question assume the spirit or consciousness unless you assume in the first place that it does, feel me. so i give this video a 0 for its lack of any valid point and its arrogance.

[zarkoff45]

"those are both the same,"

Not really. But one could easily deny the implied assumption that something happens to you after you die by saying "nothing." That doesn't change the fact that the assumption is in the question.

[aARIESsSs]

after you die something happens, everything else does not cease to exist, so your body is still here on this planet! so your answere if you believe the soul and body are one, would be my body decomposes, because it has to, just because you die does not make it not decompose, and you would follow with and my consciousnesss would cease, he assumtion you thinking is if something happens after you die which is a fact,something does happen decomposition so its not assumtion fact is not assumption

[aARIESsSs]

to top it off it was asking his opinion,what do you think? so he can say i turn into a star and hed be correct in answering because its what he thinks, also with the fact that there is existence after you die eg going to funeral decomposing bodies. even worse actually is if my theory is correct and consciousness is like energy where it cannot be created or destroyed, which would overkill in this situation as he assumes to much and is wrong, and is arrogant AND insults the mother of all questions

[zarkoff45]

The mistake you're making is assuming that he thinks he is his body. He doesn't. He thinks he is the process of living and thinking. That's what ends.

What is death?

What is you?

You don't know how other people will define those concepts.

[aARIESsSs]

actually i do know, he states in the video he does not believe in mind body dualism, there for he thinks they are one... what is you? you ask, what if my answere was I AM WHO YOU ARE TOGETHER WE ALL FORM GOD?

[KingHeathen]

This is the guy I was talking about....again....sorry.

[aARIESsSs]

dude he can remove the comments if he wants, and its sad you assume im wrong when in both this instance and our conversation i schooled you. you hide like a child behind his parents from being corrected and upstaged, so fuck you re read my comments and UNDERSTAND,fool.

[KingHeathen]

LOL!!! So you think that you making assumptions and bold assertions about things that contradict what neurology has shown us about the human mind that that is "schooling me"?

Get a clue. You really think too much of yourself.

Oh and most atheists aren't like theists who delete comments if they don't like them.

[aARIESsSs]

speaking about neurons was an analogy you complete and utter moron, go re read it, damn you stumble over small hurd no wonder you fail to finish the race, see that was another analogy, damn your lost, and dont say LOL thats little girl msn talk, serious re read my emails and comments and absorb the light like chloroplast, i challenge you to the debate you ran away from...

[aARIESsSs]

atheist havent studied the facts, and religions are false, both have agendas and unfortunatly truth is not one of them, word to the wise, what is without is within and whats within is without and what is male is female and female is male, once you understand those words, truly understand! then you are well on your way to a higher understanding. this "heathen" should watch the documentay WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW, maybe it will open some locked neural pathways.

[KingHeathen]

lol....seen it...

you found that convincing?

LOL!

[aARIESsSs]

so you would you stand behind this video as being accurate? easy question yes or no

[greenelf12]

Not really because you can still answer "you decompose".

[CousinoMacul]

To which I would answer "That's not you anymore."

[greenelf12]

To which I would say "now you just being pedantic"

There can be a difference between what people say and what they mean.

Any way what if the answer was nothing?

[KingHeathen]

Yes, but you still didn't answer the question!

; )

Great video. It was very useful for a discussion I was having with someone just today. We will see if he even catches on to what you are saying. I apologize if he bugs you as a result.

[aARIESsSs]

i wont bug either of you, its ironic you both failed to adress the issues and i wish not to discuss any further on both topics, kingheathen is either repressing the truth because he is in conscious denial or he simply doesnt understand the concept,

[aARIESsSs]

so you agree and stand behind what this man says in the video, after i clearly pointed out the many faults and flawed hypothesis? never underestimate the power of denial

[myjizzureye]

Fuck those gay glasses off you bald prick.

[aARIESsSs]

haha

[tomfrankly]

i wonder if retarded people have retarded afterlives.

[mconn2112]

Let us know. :-P

[patflix]

I hate this question. It's been posed to me many times. I always get the feeling that the person asking me is really just trying to engage me in a "let's pretend" conversation.

[Katalyzt]

Indeed ★★★★★

[silverfoxcondor46]

Very good presentation here...this is well delivered,informative, and cogent.

[VampireAuditions]

Why would you assume I wasn't at Lincoln's Inauguration?

I wore a long black frock coat over a black broadcloth suit with a red silk vest, with six buttons and four pockets with pocket watch on a chain in the left pocket, and also a white cotton shirt. I also had shin-high square-toed goatskin boots.

[CousinoMacul]

This comment made my day. Who made your watch, by the way?

[VampireAuditions]

It was an American company, not Swiss, the Waltham Watch Co. and it didn't work for long.

[aARIESsSs]

haha

[Steve2323ZX]

To: VampireAuditions

it would be impossible for you to attend the event just as you described because Lincoln's Inauguration happened during the day in broad daylight.

[VampireAuditions]

So, you assume I'm a vampire, and then you assume you know what vampires can and can not do.

You also assume that the presidential inauguration refers only to the swearing in ceremony, but it could refer to all the events and parties that continue through the night.

[Steve2323ZX]

To: VampireAuditions

yes, I really assumed you were a mythological undead being who subsist by feeding on the life essence of living creatures and that you would turn to ash when exposed to sunlight.

You could have just as easily played along and said the event happened prior to being turned and gotten some laughs.

But unfortunately this was working under the assumption that people on youtube value humor.

[VampireAuditions]

"You could have just as easily played along and said the event happened prior to being turned and gotten some laughs."

But then you would not believe me when I tell what it was like to attend one of Caligula's orgies.

"... was working under the assumption that people on youtube value humor."

Oh, I think I just gave them more of a laugh than you anticipated. Maybe they find more lols in me playing against you rather than along with you?

[Steve2323ZX]

yeah that's definitely a possibility.

Another possibility would be they got a real knee slapper at the idea of two people trying to pwn each other on an internet message board.

[VampireAuditions]

"...a real knee slapper at the idea of two people trying to pwn each other on an internet message board. "

Indeed!

[randyhelzerman]

Actually, if you don't subscribe to mind/body dualism, then after you die, as long as your body exists, your mind exists as well. Perhaps the ancient egyptian pharos were on to something....

[CousinoMacul]

That's just silly Randy. The mind is a process. Would say that after a marathon is over, as long as the runners still exist, the race still exists? Come on! Or do you believe in race/racer dualism?

[randyhelzerman]

Not parallel, because a race and a marathon are both processes. But a body is not a process. A better parallel would be body vs. life. Is the body identical to life? If your answer is no, then are you a life/body dualist?

[spleenblender]

A body without life is no longer a body. It is a corpse.

[randyhelzerman]

Prodicus would be proud.

[aARIESsSs]

and how they were, if all energy in the universe was one before the big bang, then what about all the consciousness, i believe like energy it cannot be created or destroyed and it was one also, so if our bodies are eternal, so is our consciousness unless you believe after the next big bang badies would live with out consciousness, so we are all one and have been forever and will be forever...in my opinion. KiLLuMiNaTi

[lamfrazier]

Well, do you still beat your wife? lol

[premed2]

What does your wife think about the fact that you have never been married?

[HaleyMary]

Well said. :)

[brutus149]

We download into a new body on a resurrection ship. Assuming of course, that one is in range.

[D4Shawn]

Frakkin' toaster!

[Steve2323ZX]

and only if a five dollar bill and three quarters are in your pocket

you also need to be wearing a black shirt and sweat pants, and brand new black-and-white Nike athletic shoes

[CousinoMacul]

Nice comet ... I mean comment. :-P

[Steve2323ZX]

enjoy it now because it only happens once every 75 years.

[HonestDiscussioner]

So I guess the short answer would be, "you stop existing"? Am I right?

[websnarf]

Clever, but in the case of "beating your wife" you have the facts on your side.

In mind-body dualism you have a model of the world that you have to argue. So the original question as posed, if intrinsically valid can serve as a reductio ad absurdum to your model.

So in the first you had supposition competing with facts. In the latter you have competing modes of thought.

As such I think its better to address the question directly. (There is no "you" after you die.)

[loveisallneed]

I agree. A better analogy would be, what happens to the OS after my computer was melted? Since it was part of the hardware, it was melted. So after we die, our memories degrade with our body.

[aARIESsSs]

you assume Operating systems are equal to consciousness, maybe brain function, not consciousness. our memories might end with our body, not the consciousness

[Steve2323ZX]

What happens to you after you die?

CousinoMacul you're right this question has no value.

Can you please tell me what has value?

You can't because nothing has intrinsic value.

[Maiyanna]

Sounds good to me. ;)

[dospook]

What head shop did you get those cool glasses that look so good on you?

[GoblinXXX]

WRONG! Lint exists in a vacuum. Just unzip the bag and you'll see. ;)

[bezvezeceda]

After you die, you decay. Lolz.

[Mjhavok]

After you die there is no you. The meat decays.

[pyrrho314]

answer: you decay back into the earth

[Steve2323ZX]

To: pyrrho314

no

the answer is, you wake up and realize you have no body.

you are just a brain in a vat connected to a computer that sends electrical inputs to you, simulating a physical world.

Solipsism was, in fact, true as there was no other conscious other than your own.

Every person you thought you had interacted with was actually a computer program.

Dont believe me? Its all true, scouts honor!

[pyrrho314]

if so, then "decay back into the earth" means exactly that... your physical structure decays, though this is something a software library "implements".

[Steve2323ZX]

no because once you die the program ends.

you were the only reason the program was running in the first place. You die and this whole virtual reality ends and you find out the true nature of reality which is youre an immortal brain in a vat that never decays.

Your memories are erased and the whole cycle starts all over again.

No I don't really believe this.

Yes I'm being facetious to prove a point.

[pyrrho314]

following this thought experiment... I've seen people die, their body goes on, my program processes the data that made up their body for me. Why, if this is a sim, would I not think others viewed my material after my death simulated in the same manner? With complete conservation of energy.

Wouldn't suddenly disappearing programs lead to violation of conservation of energy which we see?

[Steve2323ZX]

this thought experiment assumes solipsism is true.

That you Pyrrho is the only consciousness in this universe.

Think descartes, I think therefor I am

You know you, Pyrrho exists as a thinking thing, but what evidence do you have that other minds exist?

in this thought experiment, youve seen other people die and decay but you are the only conscious thing in the universe, the other people are NPCs (Non Player Character) to use a video game term.

(continues)

[Steve2323ZX]

(Cont)

Also, in this thought experiment I, Steve dont exist as another mind but rather Im just an NPC same as everyone else.

You, Pyrrho, is the sole purpose for this universe to even exist.

When you die the whole universe ends, none of the NPCs matter anyway.

You wake up in the real universe, and you realize you have no body you are a brain in a vat hooked up to a machine that sends your brain electrical inputs.

Also the laws of physics as you know it, do not apply in this true reality.

[pyrrho314]

then there is nothing separate from me, and what is this computer I run on? also me obviously, so the whole universe is me, and that would mean there is just one "death" and the whole universe dies, including the computer this is all running on.

Yes, I am aware I have granted agency to other entities, but naturally I have reasons for doing that.

[Steve2323ZX]

I sent you a message.

The character limit was driving me nuts and also I don't know how to post links on here.

[Loreleila]

It's not quite the same. Asking if you have, do or will beat your wife has an answer you are able to give. You could deconstruct the assumption. But the only sensible answer to the question 'what happens after you die' is 'I don't know' (assuming 'you' means awareness of passage through linear time). All else is speculation.

[D4Shawn]

Secondly, I hope you haven't just implied that there is some sort of philisophical resolution to the issue of mind/body duality. There isn't - anymore than there is a philosophical way for you to determine whether or not there is a can of tuna in my refrigerator.

For example, there is no philisophical method of determining whether or not we are in something akin to a very advanced computer simulation. That question is really a scientific question (just like the matter of the tuna can).

[D4Shawn]

Needless to say, there is no method currently available to us, by which we can rule out monism or dualism. There is nothing that could even lead us to believe that one is more probable than the other.

[pyrrho314]

not true... cognitive dualism implies the mind is separate from the body, when in fact it seems very much linked to the body, we certainly have more reason to think the link we perceive is more real than some abstract separation that has been argued on but never even well defined.

[D4Shawn]

In this video, the dualism was described in such a way as to refer to any situation in which consciousness can exist independantly of what we now consider to be our physical body. If you don't like that definition, take it up with CousinoMacul. Personally, I don't care what we call it. I was responding to what he described. I wasn't particularly hung up on the term he gave it.

[pyrrho314]

Right, and definitions of "things we can't interact with" are by definition trivial. If the mind is separate from the body, why do all the questions about it have to do with it's relation? Everyone admits it's related, but the dualists somehow also want to say it's separate, isolated, and therefore, unrelated.

[D4Shawn]

I think the problem here is your use of the word "separate". You seem to be implying that the conceivable independence of consciousness implies that it can not interact with the body. That's a false assumption/dichotomy. Just because consciousness is interacting with the body now, does not mean that it can not act independantly, or interact with something else. To make an analogy, just because my computer can interact with a printer, does not mean it can't function without it.

[D4Shawn]

Something like electricity, can interact with all sorts of stuff.

[pyrrho314]

electricity is physical.

[D4Shawn]

I hate having to explain to people what an analogy is. Anyways...

The point of an analogy is to elucidate qualities shared between two different things. If the two things were identical in every way, then it would no longer be an analogy, nor serve the purpose of clarification.

The point of my analogy was to show that interaction and independence are not mutually exclusive.

The quality of physicality was irrelevant.

[pyrrho314]

d4, I think you love explaining that, because why else waste time explaining it to me? All analogies fail if pushed too far... but yours fails quickly enough to show it shines no light whatsoever on this issue. The connection between mind and brain is nothing like the connection between printer and computer, it's more like the connection between source code and a complete running system.

[D4Shawn]

"d4, I think you love explaining that, because why else waste time explaining it to me?"

I don't actually believe that you don't understand analogies. I was playing along with your ruse.

That's what I do when people pretend not to understand analogies, and instead of acknowledgment the qualities being pointed out, they point out the exceptions. Frankly, it's retarded, and I mocked you for it. Deal with it.

[D4Shawn]

However, since you've brought up physicality, I assume you are trying to imply that while the body is physical, the mind (were it independent) could not be.

However, if we were in a simulation, wouldn't the opposite be true?

Ultimately, we don't actually know what it means for something to be "physical".

[pyrrho314]

that's it exactly shawn... as far as the simulation... "physical" is "whatever is behind the consistency of the senses", and if that's a software library, than the physical material of the universe is memory and programming... and there is still no dualism... you ARE a program rather than the apparent matter of our periodic element table... you don't become a pair of things, instead, matter becomes still more surreal.

[D4Shawn]

Again, I am not hung up on the issue of what does or doesn't qualify as "dualism". I am dealing with the issue presented in this video (life after death). By "death", I am assuming that CousinoMacul was referring to what people normally refer to as death (the death of what we perceive as our current biological form). I don't think he was referring to some ultimate self, or the self, that might be waiting one level up from the simulation (if that's what we are expereinceing).

[pyrrho314]

think about it this way: firstly, you can separate the printer and the computer, and see them function independently, when did you ever remove a mind from a brain and see it fucntion? So one, you have no reason to think that, no examples implying it.

Two, in what sense are they independent while they ARE connected? Is there some theory of physics for the non-physical?

[D4Shawn]

"when did you ever remove a mind from a brain and see it fucntion?"

We don't know. We have no way to know (as of yet). If I take some DMT, and experience some completely alien reality, we have no way to ascertain the nature of that experience, just as we have no way to ascertain the nature of our more ordinary experiences. This is not something philosophy can answer.

[pyrrho314]

not true, because we can categorize. Lets say in the extreme we accepted your DMT hallucinations as evident of reality... well, we still have the class of reality while "not on DMT" vs. "while on DMT". And we can apply those notions of reality when off DMT and see which aids survival more. Do you think they do equally well at that test?

[D4Shawn]

Obviously, blowing my brains out with a handgun would not facilitate my current mode of realty/existence . However, the same action may very well facilitate a shift to a different reality. We just don't know.

The issue of survival is not relevant here. It tells us nothing.

There is no philisophical answer to this question, any more than there is a philisophical answer to what is in my refrigerator.

[D4Shawn]

"in what sense are they independent while they ARE connected?"

In what sense is my cursor connected to my hand moving the mouse? In what sense is it independent?

There are many conceivable scenarios. Again, we could be in some sort of virtual reality. The brain could be merely a prism or filter through which consciousness extends. There are many possibilities. At the point, we have no idea.

[aARIESsSs]

and even if it was one with the body and just a product of the brain, he would still be incorrect, because then you would be body and mind as one, and you would answere my body decomposes and my "consciousness" which is a product of brain function ceases when brain function ceases.

[pyrrho314]

mind body dualism can be logically rejected because it relies on internal contradictions in the definitions... the mind can know nothing of the body, yet all it knows is about the body.

[D4Shawn]

What is contradictory about the scenario that what I am experiencing right now is a simulation (virtual reality)?

[pyrrho314]

nothing, that doesn't require dualism. I agree, that will never be disproved.

[D4Shawn]

"mind body dualism can be logically rejected because it relies on internal contradictions in the definitions"

To argue that consciousness exists independantly of the body, would be to argue that consciousness is not largely understood, nor ultimately, generated by the brain. As such, any definition we might be working with would be broad, vague, and tentative, as we'd be dealing with something we hardly understand, though we experience aspects of it first hand.

[VincentVonGoat]

agreed 100%

only the living "care" about the dead.

[D4Shawn]

Firstly, I think you are taking the question far too literally. Despite the way the question is phrased, it does not generally imply that something happens after you die, and that the answer can be only one of several options constituting "something". "Nothing" would be a perfectly acceptable answer to the question. Thus, the question doesn't assume mind/body duality, it merely leaves that open as a possibility.

[pyrrho314]

actually no, when you say nothing happens, you are accepting dualism, that nothing happens to the disembodied mind... in fact, the mind is embodied, what happens after it dies is it rots, and it's constituents are mixed back into the environment.

[D4Shawn]

Dude... everybody knows that the body dies and decomposes. When I said "nothing", I obviously meant "nothing besides the body decomposing". I didn't make that qualification, because I shouldn't have to. Is there anyone who seriously denies that our physical body dies and decomposes? I don't think so. I shouldn't have to specify that. It's a given.

[MaBu888]

Every body has a mind. When the body dies (which is the mind), that mind dies. Some think the mind and the dreamworld are different entities, and therefore the dreamworld or the soul is what reforms and is entangled with a bodymind once more in a womb. No proof, but still interesting at least.

[windham666]

(in the potential future tense it's) Are you GOING to beat your wife, CousinO?

[DavidRandallCurtis]

So you're saying if you had a wife you'd stop beating her? (rimshot!) - great video... 5*/faved ;)

[mamdk]

The function return value is null :P

[Keylimedelight]

So you DO beat her!

[DickensianDreams]

We are little more than a collection of memories that are stored in our brain. When our brain ceases to exist, we cease to exist. If there is such a thing as a soul that lives on after the body dies, it won`t have any memories linking it to the body it departed. If it doesn`t have any memories of the body it departed, then it isn`t really an immortal representation of the person it shared a body with. It would be - as you said in your video - little more than a parasitic host.

[mtanti87]

Out of body experiences are so illogical. Let's say your soul left your body. It then returned back. How is it that you can remember what the soul experienced? Is memory not a product of the brain alone? Does the soul affect your neurons? If you can remember an experience, it happened to your body not your soul. Sounds more like an illusion in the brain, and by Occam's Razor, that is the explanation I shall accept.

[DickensianDreams]

Indeed.

[pyrrho314]

well put

[kalsolarUK]

Seems that your wife has something in common with god. Neither exist!

[anoyingfly]

nice video. keep it up.