John MacArthur is the living embodiment of Matt 24:11. Like a cadaverous skull speaking through a pair of bad fitting dentures he distorts the teachings of Christ, Disgusting.
WOW!!!! I finally figured out why I keep praying to God and these gosh darn gay feelings haven't disappeared after 40+ years. I must not be one of His the elect. I guess everything I've been taught about being gay is true & I'm going to Hell no mattter what I do LOL!!!! You guys swear you've got God all figured out but the truth is we see threw a glass darkly but only when we enter into eternity will certain things be made plain.
MacArthur is not being coy or self-effacing about this issue. I've heard him plainly teach that Christ died for the sins of the WHOLE world, and that got is not willing that ANY should perish.
I've heard a very succint phrase that cuts to the chase on this issue...
"If you trust Christ as Saviour and Lord, you are one of the Elect. If you reject salvation by grace through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb, you are NOT one of the Elect".
@junglehappiness god loves everyone equally, the repentant and unrepentant. however, if the unrepentant do not turn from their sin, yhwh being a self-existent, holy and just god, will not dwell in eternity with any of his unrepentant creatures
@ultrakool Um, correction. God does not love the believer and the unbeliever equally. John 3:1 for starters "See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him."
@Wunji1 clearly, you've missed my overriding point. god wants no one to perish. he loves the world (that included you, me and everyone else..even before we were saved). it required love. john 3:1 is referring to the unregenerate soul turning a blind eye of indifference to god's salvation and his disciples
@ultrakool Wow, I even posted the verse for you, and you get something about "the unregenerate soul turning a blind eye"? 1 John 3:1 (left out the 1, but still posted the verse) is talking about a special kind of love that God has "lavished" on us who BELIEVE. I didn't miss your point at all lol. Your first statement says, and I quote: "God loves everyone equally". I think that makes your view very clear.
John macarthur is a false teacher who follows and teaches heresy.Calvinism is like unto a spiritual cancer that affects the body of christ.Anybody with a heart and discernment know that John 3:16 KJV is the word of God spoken by the Lord Jesus and revealed to man.Jesus is not a liar. he speaks the truth because he is the truth.Don't take the easy way and let any one falsely convince you of the reform theology. it is damnable heresy.
Bratan 4: I'm sorry but you just complicated it yourself. How can someone who is dead accept his free gift? God has been infinitely gracious by choosing dead sinners to be saved. ALL deserve nothing. ALL deserve the Lake of Fire and ALL are born in sin headed in that direction. You are looking at this the wrong way. Realize the immensity of God's grace over the hatred of unsaved men toward God. What an incredibly gracious thing our God has done through election. Please read my comment below.
Jesus died on the cross for all. Those who accept his free gift go to heaven and those that regect it go to hell. It is simple lets not complicate it.
mikenathan57 is absolutely right in his comments below. God is truly Sovereign and we are slaves, God is the Creator and we are creatures, God is infinite and we are finite, God is omniscient and we are not all-knowing. This is what Dr. John MacArthur in this video clip and many others like Prof. R.C. Sproul, Dr. Steve Lawson, Prof. J.I. Packer, John Owen, John Knox and John Calvin capture very well. The Reformed understanding gives us a clear picture of God and His works in creation.
God's word is so clear. It is not a matter of God being fair or not. If anything God is more than fair in the fact that He chooses anyone to be eternally His. Try to understand that all are born in sin and deserving of nothing except eternity in the lake of fire because of their rebellion against God. Some ask why am I responsible for Adam's sin? The truth is that all would have run just as fast to that tree. We all deserve eternal damnation. The miracle is that our God would even choose anyone.
@AdStarAPAD "Im calling the teachings of Calvinism Unjust"
These Cavinists send sinners on a "Fools Errand", a "Catch-22".
They demand sinners to repent, though they themselves consider it IMPOSSIBLE without the DETERMINISTIC CAUSAL DECREE of God, then DAMN them FOREVER for not obeying, AS IF they themselves ever could, & call it 'JUSTICE'.
ARMINIAN PRAYER O Lord you know.I am the captain of my life.I know if I want to get saved you will help me,but only after I have decided I want to.But Lord my heart is my own and you cannot intrude on my FREE WILL,nor can you make me believe if I say no.So if and when I need you to get saved, I will call,so don't bother me until then.Also,if I decide I want to get saved,only then will you get most of the glory,but my decision should count for part of it since I could have said no.
Calvinist.......do you understand that the "Elect" are all those who believe? God puprosed before the foundation of the world to have a people unto Himself based on their faith and trust of who He is and what He has done. These Elect are promised to be raised up on the last day and promised to be formed to the image of Christ. All we must do is beieve the truth! How hard is that? That is our inheritance. What a great God we have!! Let's get busy bringing as many to the Master as we can!!!
@scottbignell - I don't know whether you are agnostic or atheist but you, like so many others, boast of intelligence while you are in the midst of committing formal logical fallacies. If you are going to be an atheist or agnostic, shouldn't you put your best foot forward and learn to be an intelligent one?
Calvanisim states that God created people who would be blocked/prevented from accepting the Will of God and that God created them to suffer for eternity in the Lake of Fire. Let them preach this. Let them promote it. Let them face God at the final judgement as defend their teaching that depicts God as an evil psychopath. What you affirm as true and good will be what Judges you.
@AdstarAPAD That is not what Calvinism states at all. Where did you hear that? Do you know what state the natural, unregenerate man is in, unless God grants them grace and saves them (monergism). You want to absolve man of responsibility and blame God? Do you understand the meaning of depravity? God is not an evil psychopath; man sure does shows signs of being that though by what youu write. You don't understand what God has revealed; you should ask yourself why.
@Channel "That is not what Calvinism states at all. Where did you hear that?"
LOL, he heard it from your own IRRESISTIBLE GRACE & LIMITED ATONEMENT pillars, you deceptive reprobate! Your own demonic doctrines say God is responsible for Adam's fall into sin, that God forces a select few to be regenerated but withholds it from the rest who He created only for destruction. Stop trying to put a veneer of orthodoxy on your abominations trying to lure others to the destruction that's awaiting you!
@JackMWolfe - Jack, you have a high view of man and a low view of the Most High God of the bible. You do err in thinking that man deserves anything but destruction. You do err in thinking that Calvinists believe God is evil and in your thinking that God is tempted by or tempts others with evil. You do not understand that if God had not saved some, none would be saved. You do not understand how God is perfectly just in judging His creation; you are not your own Jack. Every knee will bow.
@Channeler None of your gibberish has anything to do with the discussion - the issue is your claim that AdstarAPAD's statement misrepresented Calvinism ie - "Calvanisim states that God created people who'd be blocked/prevented from accepting the Will of God & that God created them to suffer for eternity in the Lake of Fire" which is ALL true according to Calvinism's own pillars. Denying it makes you a liar & so does your evasive response when challenged about it. You're permeated with deceit!
@ChristianityChannel Calvanisim states that God causes those who will be saved to come to accept the atonement of the Messiah Jesus and no human being is caused to accept Jesus without God making them do it. This means that all the people who are not saved where never going to be saved. Therefore God created them from the very beginning to spend eternity in the lake of fire, According to calvanisim people where created by God for the expressed purpose to burn in the lake of fire.
@AdstarAPAD - Calvinism teaches that man dies and after that the judgment beccause they have sinned against the one and only Just and Holy God. Start there. Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death went over all men: in whom all men have sinned." And Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men that they shall once die, and after that cometh the judgment:" Now, does the fact that God redeems ONLY some who are unworthy bother you?
@Channeler "Start there. Rom5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world & death by sin.."
Good verse, it directly refutes Calvinism which instead claims sin was brought into the world by GOD! And your deceptive little jump to Heb9:27 ignored Rom11:32 "God has consigned all men to disobedience that He may have mercy on them ALL alike" - before judging them God calls ALL His children lost in Adam to repentance & desires NONE to perish as Acts17:29-30 says. You're a deceiver!
@JackMWolfe Man being responsible for his sin in no way negates God's sovereignty. I already told you God is not evil, nor does he tempt others with evil, yet he is sovereign over all, including evil, and he will from eternity past to enternity future always do His good pleasure. You err in thinking that because this is true, it some how makes God evil. You really should speak less, study and pray more, and foresake that false gospel you preach because it will send you straight to hell Jack.
@Channeler "Man being responsible for his sin in no way negates God's sovereignty"
You're talking out of both sides of your deceiving mouth again. Calvinism states that ALL things, including Adam's sin, are sovereignly determined by God. Either Adam was responsible for sin entering the world by choosing to disobey God's command as Rom5:12 says or God sovereignly decreed it & desired Adam to fall. It's YOU who's promoting a false gospel, blaspheming God's character, & manipulating the truth.
@Channeler "Man being responsible for his sin doesn't negate God's sovereignty"
More deception. Calvinism says ALL things, including Adam's sin, are sovereignly decreed by God Adam was either responsible for sin entering the world by his disobedience as Rom5:12 states or God sovereignly desired Adam to fall - you keep trying to have it both ways. It's YOU who's promoting a false gospel, blaspheming God's character, & manipulating the truth then pretending you're not. You're a deceiver
@ChristianityChannel If calvanism was correct, And it is Not. Then i would be very bothered. Because as calvanisim states that God causes only certain people to believe and accept Jesus as their Redeemer. Therefore if this was true and God was Just, Then God would cause ALL unworthy to come to believe Him and accept Jesus to be saved. For All fall short and are All unworthy. Therefore God causing one person to be saved and preventing another person to burn is Unjust.
@AdstarAPAD - You said, "If calvanism was correct, And it is Not." You are going to have to make a stronger case than that. Calvinism teaches that man transgressed against the Just and Holy God and is worthy of judgment and wrath; no man deserves other than wrath, no man comes to God, none does good, no one believes (Romans) and God merciful saves some for His glory alone by giving them a live heart of flesh and a new Spirit. Dare you call God unjust for saving some who were undeserving?
@ChristianityChannel I am not calling God unjust. He is just. I am calling the teachings of calvinisim Unjust, As they indeed are. Yes all men are sinners needing The atonement of the Messiah Jesus and God would have it that all men to come to repentance and be saved. Yet men resist the call. For many are called few are chosen. If all that God called where unable to resist his call them ALL who are called would be chosen. The Spirit reaches out to men but some men will not come to the light.
@AdstarAPAD You say, " I am calling the teachings of calvinisim Unjust, As they indeed are." And I again say, "You are going to have to make a stronger case than that." The outward call of the Gospel goes out to the world thus many are called; few are chosen, God's elect; All men who are not chosen refuse the outward call because they are held captive by the devil to do his will. Salvation is Ezekiel 36:26-27and not contingent upon what an unregenerate man determines, glory to God.
@ChristianityChannel So be it. I have given warning to you and others preaching calvanisim. You are responsible for what you preach as to the will of God. May you be forgiven.
@ChristianityChannel yes, you are right ... Salvation truly belongs to God and He imparts redemption as He wills ... He saved Israel and He rejected the Amelikites, while both were rebelling sinner nations. So anyone who claims that they are smarter than unbelievers is just plain proud and arrogant. We are saved by grace, and not of our own doing ... it is truly a gift from God!
@AdstarAPAD So you are advocating decisional regeneration! Last I looked in my Bible it showed me that God saves sinners through Holy Spirit regeneration. The Bible also shows me that some are saved and many are not. And the Bible shows me that the Father gives all He wants saved to Jesus and Jesus will lose none. So clearly God never intended to save everyone who ever lived, because that would leave hell empty and putting us on the throne of redemption!
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
All men everywhere.
Again:
2 Peter 3
9The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
God is not willing that Any Should Perish. You deny this and state that God wills people to Perish and created them to perish.
@AdstarAPAD And those whom the Father has given His Son will repent and come to a saving knowledge of Him ... remember it is God's work in the hearts of sinners. And Jesus said my sheep will hear my voice and follow me (implied the goats will not hear nor follow Him). The Bible says of unbelievers ... they have ears but hear not!
Again, your pride wants to take credit for your salvation, when the Bible states that ALL glory is given to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit!
@oooMauriceHartingooo No you do not discredit me by falsely represent my position to be that i achieve my own salvation. Just because calvanist hold to an extremist interpretation of scripture does not mean that those who oppose the calvanist dogma hold the opposite extreme. I am saved by the Atoning work of the Messiah Jesus. There is no way i would have eternity with God without His Atonement for my sins. The Holy Spirit brings conviction but the proud resist. God is Just
@AdstarAPAD There is nothing extreme about the reformed (calvinist) position in regards to the sovereignty of God and mankind's total inability to please Him in unregenerate state. And by the way it is calvinist and not calvanist as you incorrectly typed twice. It appears that you know nothing about John Calvin, nor do you know the difference between calvinism and hyper-calvinism. May I recommend to you The Institutes of the Christian Religion.Ignorance is not bliss!
@sonlover62 again, you show limited knowledge of what happened with heretics during the 16 th. century. It was considered treason against God to teach heresy and that without repentance leads to death. Servetus who denied the trinity was warned repeatedly not to come to Geneva because he would be arrested and killed. The City Fathers put Servetus to death even when John Calvin asked for pardon. In the end Servetus never recanted his opposing views of the trinity and was put todeath
@oooMauriceHartingooo wow we know the discussion is coming to the end when a person thinks that pointing out a spelling mistake of the other person is a tactic that will prove their dogma.
@AdstarAPAD it is "calvinism" not "calvanism" and you keep making the same mistake over and over again ... this is not a simple spelling mistake, but a poor command of the english language on your part. Turn or burn lol
@oooMauriceHartingooo So pasting pride on me accuser???? Typical. No i am not smarter than anyone in particular. I have the advantage of having a Source of information, a Source of guidance that can make a babe speak wise and wonderful things. He is called the Holy Spirit. So yeah the Holy Spirit revealed to me understanding in relation to the Foreknowledge of God as it pertains to Predestination. It is from Gods Foreknowledge that He then Predestines one.
@AdstarAPAD I thought the Holy Spirit guides us unto all truth as found in God's Word. If not so, how do we know it is the Holy Spirit speaking to us and not an evil spirit or our own thoughts deceiving us?
Your view that God's predestination is only passive in foreknowledge and not active in His daily providential rule and care is utter nonsense.
Your line of thinking comes from freewillers that hold to Scoffieldian dispensationalism and is unbiblical.
@oooMauriceHartingooo What is this Scoffieldain dispensationalisim? Another position i am being accused of holding in an attempt to attack the person and not the point which i made? I will be looking up dispensationalism now.
@AdstarAPAD Ok looked up dispensationalism on wikipedia. I do not agree that the nation of israel is under a different dispensation. Salvation from sin will only come through acceptance of the Messiah Jesus. I do believe in a 1000 year rule of the saints on earth. But i do not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine, which wiki says is a doctrine of dispensationalism? Anyway there seem to be a few different Doctrines under that banner that i do not believe.
@AdstarAPAD wow you are spiritually ignorant. You don't even know the difference between dispensationalism and covenant theology ... that is Christian Theology 101
@AdstarAPAD calvinism ... calvinism ... calvinism ... calvinism ... I thought you were led by the Holy Spirit in all things? Well, I guess the Holy Spirit did not teach you that the word is calvinism and not calvanism, or the Holy Spirit did tell you but you are a slow listener or deaf ... in either case ... you are guilty hahahahahaha
A Question Calvinist can't clearly directly answer, children that are beaten, some raped and even murdered, God preordained this before their birth is what a true Predestined Elected Calvinist believes, but will not admit it. examples are JonBenét Ramsey, Dennis Rader and John Wayne Gacy, Jr. who molested and killed 33 teenage boys. Since we live in the New Testament now, thus sins are not passed down through parents to children, what possible answer is valid from a Calvinist? None
A question for Calvinists: Demas in the bible was never saved in the first place? If not, how about Judas? He was never saved? How then did Judas heal the sick, perform miracles and cast out devils, when Jesus said Satan cannot cast out Satan
A Question Calvinist can't clearly directly answer, if you asked a black man in the USA, say from 1700 to 1950, do you believe in election? how many would say yes? that would be zero.....get it yet? probably not... . wait, another clue, chances are highly likely you are a white male, correct?....get it yet? still probably not. You might reply with, “so what does color of skin have to do with anything?”.....see, point made, you can't answer clearly
Did Jesus die ONLY for the *elect*? Read John 1:29 and 1John 2:2 and 2Pet 2:1 and John 3:16 and 2Pet 3:9 and Rom 5:18 and Rom 5:6 and etc and etc and etc.........#calvinismisfromhell!#@
You cant unscrew the inscrutable when the dilemma is because of bad theology. How can God decree that men sin and then send them to Hell for it? Answer is...................He can't! Calvinism is a false religion, it is NOT orthodox Christianity.........flee from it.........it is from the pit of Hell.
Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism. Repent of Calvinism!
@fractalfires1 "WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos"
Nothing new. He's been muzzled for months by Rom5:12 "sin came into the world thru one man & death as the result of sin"- which directly confronts his claim that GOD brought sin into the world & by 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist which contradicts his claim that God not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin. WCOF is a defeated coward who now only spams & hides from truth.
I can just see my judgement now. Yes Sonny, you cried out to me. You told me your need for Christ. You admited you can not save yourself. And you prayed begging for forgiveness and Salvation. But, guess what, I didn't want you!!! Now, get out of my sight and go to hell.
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from your sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
@mamainmancj I believe in the atonement. The Bible says repeatedly that Jesus died for our sins. However, why do people continue to insist that Jesus 'paid the penalty'. This is not in the Bible. Jesus died to safely provide PARDON, not an acquittal. Purchasing an acquittal for the guilty is simply paying off the judge. The guilty can be pardoned, but they can NEVER be acquitted by a just judge.
Calvinist.......do you understand that the "Elect" are all those who believe? God puprosed before the foundation of the world to have a people unto Himself based on their faith and trust of who He is and what He has done. These Elect are promised to be raised up on the last day and promised to be formed to the image of Christ. All we must do is beieve the truth! How hard is that? That is our inheritance. What a great God we have!! Let's get busy bringing as many to the Master as we can!!!
From what I just saw here, makes God/Jesus Christ a terrible person. Billions of "Throw-away" people. Of course John is one of the lucky ones. Go figure.
While I was watching this video, I have a sense that John Macarthur's uses his intellect about Christian theology too much that he does not convey enough about the need to repent and the lifestyle changes that is necessary to live a just life; in other words we need to abandon our personal and secular desires in order to live a pure life. He shouldn't have to debate excessively about what he thinks because he at times becomes at fault of feeling too self righteous that he forgets to be humbled
Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.........they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal....every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism.
The point that has been missed in all of this discussion is the fact that GOD IS GOD. I love when people try to question him. I think of scriptures that talk about God's reaction to man. The Bible says that he will sit in Heaven and laugh at the wicked who question him. David and Solomon talked about it. NO ONE in this discussion can question God. God can send all of us to hell today and still be holy and righteous. So, go ahead and keep going with your little human minds. Go ahead. Ha!
@yankeefanintenn ......you said.....' God can send all of us to hell today and still be holy and righteous. '
You are WRONG........God CANNOT do this and be holy and righteous. Why? Because He has promised eternal life to those who will believe in Him. Thats why.........and His Word is True.
Usually such a response, so confident, boastful and condescending, tells me that the person is on dangerous ground and is questioning God.
Be careful in case those you claim are questioning God are stating the truth and you discover at the judgment that they were correcting your questioning of God and laughing at them!
@fractalfires1 "Usually such a response, so confident, boastful and condescending, tells me that the person is on dangerous ground and is questioning God"
Yes, Calvinists put forth biblically indefensible doctrines which offend Christians & cause unbelievers to reject Christianity, then claim everyone who opposes their heresies are questioning & opposing God instead of them! It's a classic display of self-deception, projection, & hypocrisy.
@JackMWolfe WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos. He stressed that God does not get pleasure from righteousness, but that righteousness consists in whatever pleases God. Jeff contradicts Psalm 5:4 Ezekiel 18:23 Ezek 18:32 Ezek 33:11 and especially 1 Chron 29:17 "I know also, my God, that thou triest the heart, and hast pleasure in uprightness."
@fractalfires1 "WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos"
Nothing new. He's been silenced for months by Rom5:12 "sin came into the world thru one man & death as the result of sin"- which directly contradicts his claim that GOD brought sin into the world & by 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist which contradicts his claim that God not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin. These Kalvin Koward's only weapons are spamming & running away.
@fractalfires1 "WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos"
Nothing new. He's been muzzled for months by Rom5:12 "sin came into the world thru one man & death as the result of sin"- which directly confronts his claim that GOD brought sin into the world & by 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist which contradicts his claim that God not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin. WCOF is a defeated coward who now only spams & hides from truth.
GOD IS GOD and HE CAN do whatever he wants. Who are you to question GOD?!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU are not in a position to question HIM> He can send all of to hell because of sin and still be holy and righteous. THAT MY FRIEND is the point you are missing. All I know is, I'm going to Heaven when I die because Christ died for me. It will be fun to watch you question Him at the Great White throne judgment. I hope I get to see you try to question him. I hope I get to watch.
@yankeefanintenn ......you said....'GOD IS GOD and HE CAN do whatever he wants.'
Well God cant lie. He cant deny Himself. He cant send people to Hell who have an excuse......you know like they are Totally Depraved, the 'T' in TULIP.......they couldnt know Him and they never rejected Him .......they just werent 'chosen'........thats all.
Calvin's philosophy is a man made religion that dishonors the God of the Bible.
God is outside of time, not inside of time. Pastor Matt Chandler - "God doesn't grab the Lamb's Book of Life, hop in the delorean and adjust the flux capacitor, and jet throughout time to survey who would put his faith in Christ."
Here is what i'm saying:
-Salvation is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9)
-Hell is real and people are going there (Matthew 7:23)
-ALL deserve hell (Romans 3)
-God chose a multitude to be saved according to his purposes before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-5)
That statement is not in Romans 3. In other words your interpretation is what is important rather than what the passage STATES. You need to be careful about inferences. The Bible says they profess to be wise but became fools.
Which law did a baby break to deserve hell? Or better yet, what did the baby do wrong before being born? You claim he was damned or saved before birth. Explain that.
@willpower242 Calvinism is not a religion, but a theological (reformed) understanding of the Bible, salvation is a free gift, Christ's atonement is efficient (effective) only for the Elect, God's grace is irresistible as seen with Paul on the road to Damascus, and finally all sinners need to repent especially those calvin haters!
@Hartingooo Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance & deception. 1st, Paul wasn't irresistibly forced to be saved - in Acts26:19 he states he chose to OBEY the message, an act of the will, many others have received similar calls but chose NOT to obey them. 2nd, your historical revisionism about Servetus is laughable - Calvin 1st betrayed him to the Inquisition, had him arrested & murdered when he came to Geneva for asylum - & he later boasted about being responsible for the murder.
@JackMWolfe Who stopped Saul on the road of Damascus? Who struck him blind? Who led Saul by the hand? Who opened Paul's eyes? Who regenerated Paul and made him into an Apostle? Jack your answer would be Paul's freewill. I got Good News for you Jack ... God judges, God convicts, God shows mercy, God gives grace, God regenerates, God saves, and God keeps His own all for His glory!!! Even as Christians our will makes way for God's will, otherwise we would be sovereign and not God!
@artingooo LOL, more pathetic comments about God & His word - Calvinists are the most biblically illiterate cultists on earth! God indeed convicts, calls, grants repentance, draws, justifies, regenerates, etc, but none of that negates the fact that men can choose to reject it all & instead die in their sins rather than have a relationship with Him. God doesn't force a relationship with Himself on anyone & He certainly doesn't deny it to anyone as your blasphemous doctrines accuse Him of doing!
@JackMWolfe And by the way I do not like your revisionist history about John Calvin and Servetus ... can you give me any historical proof for your claims that John Calvin boasted about the murder of Servetus? Any?
@Maurice "can you give me any historical proof for your claims that John Calvin boasted about the murder of Servetus?"
More proof of your ignorance. Here's a quote from a letter by your murdering hero to the Marquis Paet in 1561 - "do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus" Calvin was proud of his murders, why are you trying to deny & take his glory away?
@Maurice "any historical proof for your claim John Calvin boasted about the murder of Servetus?"
It was given but you spammed it & scurried off like a roach from the light. Here's what your murdering hero wrote to the Marquis Paet in 1561 - "do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus" Calvin was a murderer & proud of it, & his doctrines come from Satan.
God is love, he is not what you refer to as a megalomaniac who creates helpless people, but the Bible clearly states that we were dead in trespasses and sins. It also says that man runs from God. This why I love the story of the prodigal son, the Father went looking for his son and ran to meet him and bring him home. Just because the Bible teaches election, that does not portray God as a unloving God who predestines people for hell. On the contrary, but salvation is of the LORD.
@yankeefanintenn Calvinist mumbo jumbo. You claim God is love & acknowledge that all men are born separated from Him thru Adam's transgression, claim that He calls all of them to repentance but He only sent Christ to die for some & doesn't give the others the ability to respond to the call. So explain your objection to the statement that God creates these helpless people soley to destroy them & how He can hold them responsible for their sin - also, how does this show any love towards them?
@yankeefanintenn "Just because the Bible teaches election, that does not portray God as a unloving God who predestines people for hell. On the contrary, but salvation is of the LORD. "
Rather, just because the Bible doesn't teach election does not mean that you can interpret it to make it sound like it does. Nobody is really saved from hell if they were 'predestined' to go to heaven in the first place. You make the term 'salvation' into a big lie.
@fractalfires1 A Question Calvinist won't answer, if you asked a black man in the USA, say from 1700 to 1950, do you believe in election? how many would say yes? that would be zero.....get it yet? probably not... . wait, another clue, chances are highly likely you are a white male, correct?....get it yet? still probably not. Wait another clue, everyone that is pro calvin posting on utube videos, are white males, ask them, bet they are.....get it yet? still probably not.
I am not a Calvinist... I am a Biblicist... If that makes sense. I believe the Bible is God's divinely inspired word. The Bible does clearly teach election and predestination, no one can deny that. The Bible also says "Whosoever will may come." I agree it is a tough topic, but election is clearly taught in scripture.
@yankeefanintenn "The Bible does clearly teach election & predestination"
It also teaches justification, sanctification, free will, grace, & sovereignty - the problem is it defines them COMPLETELY differently than Calvinism & all the other cults do. Calvinism turns the good news of the gospel into BAD NEWS for most of mankind & depicts God as a narcissistic megalomaniac who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell. Their doctrines are blasphemous & heretical.
@yankeefanintenn "I agree it is a tough topic, but election is clearly taught in scripture. "
Do you mean CALVINISTIC election?
If you are not a Calvinist as you claim then I hope you will be honest with answering this question. Nobody is denying that the term 'elect' is in Scripture. I can say something called election is taught in Scripture too, but what game are you playing. Jack feels you are deceptive. So please answer if your view is Calvinistic or not.
"And you who were DEAD IN TRESPASSES AND SINS...." The Bible is clear, salvation is of the Lord and not of man. A dead man cannot get up and say "I accept God' why can't you people see this in scripture???
Eph 2:8,9 For by (God's) grace you have been saved through (your) faith; and that not of yourselves (salvation is not thru works ie faith is not a work), it (salvation) is the gift of God; not as a result of works (faith is not a work), so that no one may boast.
Anyone who denies predestination and election, has not read his bible. These two doctrines are clearly taught in scripture!!!! MacArthur is right on the money!!!!!!!!! I love this guy, what a great Bible teacher.
@yankeefanintenn ..he IS a great Bible teacher ...other than his view of salvation election, depravity, grace,...all things Calvin. Calvinism is a heresy..that is it is not orthodox. It distorts the Word of God and that is why MacArthur is dangerous..he is so good on other things but gets this soooo wrong.
@yankeefanintenn ...... Get 'Troubling Questions for Calvinists' by LaGard Smith.....youll see the nonsense pof Calvinism....MacArthur blows it off and jokes about it saying he cant unscrew the inscrutable but it is because Calvinism in NONSENSE!!!
Calvinists love to twist and distort the Bible........it's like a national past time for them ...a hobby. They love Calvins philosophy rather than God's Word. Flee from Calvinism.
Christ's atonement is SUFFICIENT to save ALL!! That's what the Bible says it is APPROPIATED by FAITH. That's what the Bible says. How MacArthur misses this is really inscrutable!! #FAIL
Rom3:21-24 But now God's way of putting people right with himself has been revealed. It has nothing to do with law, even though the Law of Moses and the prophets gave their witness to it. God puts people right through their faith in Jesus Christ. God does this to all who believe in Christ, because there is no difference at all: everyone has sinned and is far away from God's saving presence. But by the free gift of God's grace all are put right with him through Christ Jesus, who sets them free.
MacArthur has no answer because Calvinism is a false religion. It is incongruent. The answer is to abandon Calvinism and turn to God's truth. Quit twisting Scripture.
Jesus died for all of human-kind. So, once we get that into our heads and hearts, the "tension" goes away. When we lie, theres tension but, truth settles the spirit. Its obvious that someone is desiring to serve God and win souls for the Kingdom that preaches that Christ died only for a few aka His "elect" is going to feel in their spirit that theres something wrong. Because there is indeed! Thats a false representation of Gods Word. We are to preach the Gospel of Christ.. not Calvin.
The Calvinist cannot tell someone that Jesus died for them, because he does not know if Jesus died for them! He does not know if he is one of the elect!!!! OH MY!!!
@TheWholeTruthNow yes, and the Calvinist does not know himself if God loves him and sent Jesus to die for him. If the Calvinist believes God loves him, then he has no grounds for such a belief for he does not know if the promise in John 3:16 applies to him.
He makes a leap and figures that his FAITH (mental assent) is the proof God loves him. He trusts his faith, not the Scripture as God's testimony.
Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.........they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered....every deceitful business deal....every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Jacob use deception on Esau a couple of times?Did Jacob claim Esau's birthright through deception and did he not deceive his father in pretending he was Esau for his father's blessings as well?It's almost as if Jacob was the bad boy here and Esau the victim,yet God chose Jacob over Esau. I know that God looks at the heart,but how does the heart change into repenting and believing.Is it man or is it God,or is it both?If Does man get some of the glory for salvation?
@321spiderweb We all are sinners before righteous God,so were Jacob and Esau.Neither good men nor bad men gains favour from God,but new men do so.The only way to become a new man is having relationship with God since He is the source of righteousness.God favoured Jacob for he seeked the relationship.God love everyone equally but He favours differently accordingly with our desires how strongly we want to be with Him.If God forgive you and me,why not Jacob?Grace reaches beyonds.
@lattkoko1 .Thanks for your replies.I really appreciate it. Big question here.Did Jacob seek the relationship with God on his own free will or did God choose him by grace first and opened His eyes to be able to even seek God? I heard recently that faith comes from God as a gift and believing also.For Jacob to even have the ability to trust in God ,God must draw him in. I heard recently all men are haters of God,inability.Total depravity .In other words their inability is moral.Is it true?
@321spiderweb "I heard recently that faith comes from God as a gift and believing also."
Romans 10. Faith cometh by HEARING and hearing by the word of God.
In that sense, faith is a gift. There is also a sense in which it is the sinner's duty to BELIEVE God's testimony. God does not withhold faith from the sinner and then blame the sinner for not having this gift. What kind of God does that? A demon most likely.
@fractalfires1 Thanks for the reply.The bible is so vast in our understanding of it that a child could understand it ,yet , there are verses all through the bible that just leave me dumbfounded.So I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal more of the truth so I don't misinterpret scripture.If I don't know ,I ask and will not use my own human reasoning unless I'm sure with the help of my brothers and sisters who are in the word. Thanks again .Truth matters
@321spiderweb There are the debates through the years on Calvinism,Armenianism,Revelations,the second coming,if there is a rapture before the second coming or if it's one and the same.If the book of revelation was written to the 7 churches and most of the events took place before 70 A.D.,pertaining to the seals,trumpets,and bowls on the judgement of Jerusalem.The list goes on.So I ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth with the help of my brothers and sisters in the body of Christ.
@321spiderweb One more thing.Does the ability to hear come from us or is it of God?Apparently we were be dead in our sins,so were like dead men and so were unable to hear to come to God in anyway,shape ,and form, on our own unless He draws us in by the Holy Spirit. We now hear and our eyes are opened and which gives us the understanding on who He is and then we want Him more than the world.
@321spiderweb "I ask and will not use my own human reasoning "
What? That phrase ought to just be banned from every Christians mouth, really.
Your 'human' reasoning is planted in you by God. The Bible says, 'Come let us reason together'. Then some 'spiritual' religious person has to contest God's word and creation and tell you NOT to use YOUR reasoning. When you DO stuff, like drive a car, I hope you use your 'human reasoning' otherwise you'll endanger yourself or others.
@fractalfires1 Hmm.You have me thinking. Human reasoning or rationality may vary from person to person. It''s universal to want to survive in this world no matter what it takes to avoid dangerous situations ,and to get along with one another,however how does a person rationalize the glory of god and his ways and to be able to have a relationship with him( What takes place in our minds and hearts?),if our reasoning,rational nature is limited to our finite being?How much is of God and of man?
@321spiderweb being rational and being rationalistic are not the same thing.
Rationalism is based on an anti-supernatural premise. To be reasonable or rational is from God.
The Bible does not say 'be ye transformed by the removal of your minds'.
We are commanded to love the Lord our God with ALL our mind.
There is an anti-intellectual element rampant in some of the more mystical expressions of Christianity that is Gnostic in origin. It has to be exposed and avoided.
@fractalfires1 I'm no scholar ,however I do understand .Thanks .Just trying to understand how much is of God vs how much is of man pertaining to salvation.I think I'll just focus on reading the word.Thanks again
@321spiderweb Amen. The Bible is simple to the believer without theology to complicate it. On nearly every page of holy writ, we see God gives laws. He offers his fatherhood, his friendship, his Spirit, his Gospel, his promises of support and help. But he doesn't obey in our place. Before my conversion I was under conviction and a big aspect of that was that I keenly FELT the onus was on me to settle with God's requirement. God calls, we respond. Beyond this is art and fluff
@321spiderweb More simply put, it is a simple definition problem. To 'rationalize' means to 'explain something away'. In court cases, the wrong position attempts to rationalize or explain away the right position. So you see how being rational is not the same thing at all. Some churches slip you a mickey because they don't count on you using a dictionary. Too many churchers only keep sheeple in bondage by enforcing a hillbilly degree of ejoocayshun and follow Benny Hinn.
@321spiderweb Here's another important passage. Jesus told people "57 Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
Thus, he appealed to their natural reasoning, to their CONSCIENCE, to their common sense. In fact, in Romans 2, the Gentiles are judged by the knowledge of God already evident in their consciousness by nature.
HumanISTIC reasoning is not the same as human reasoning. It is not the mind that is the final problem, but the motive being minded.
@321spiderweb A Question Calvinist won't answer, if you asked a black man in the USA, say from 1700 to 1950, do you believe in election? how many would say yes? that would be zero.....get it yet? probably not... . wait, another clue, chances are highly likely you are a white male, correct?....get it yet? still probably not. Wait another clue, everyone that is pro calvin posting on utube videos, are white males, ask them, bet they are.....get it yet? still probably not.
John MacArthur is the living embodiment of Matt 24:11. Like a cadaverous skull speaking through a pair of bad fitting dentures he distorts the teachings of Christ, Disgusting.
rickw1100 1 day ago
WOW!!!! I finally figured out why I keep praying to God and these gosh darn gay feelings haven't disappeared after 40+ years. I must not be one of His the elect. I guess everything I've been taught about being gay is true & I'm going to Hell no mattter what I do LOL!!!! You guys swear you've got God all figured out but the truth is we see threw a glass darkly but only when we enter into eternity will certain things be made plain.
kevseb66 2 days ago
MacArthur is not being coy or self-effacing about this issue. I've heard him plainly teach that Christ died for the sins of the WHOLE world, and that got is not willing that ANY should perish.
I've heard a very succint phrase that cuts to the chase on this issue...
"If you trust Christ as Saviour and Lord, you are one of the Elect. If you reject salvation by grace through faith in the shed blood of the Lamb, you are NOT one of the Elect".
In 7:54 MacArthur said as much. He's no dummy !
tigerlilly66 3 days ago
JESUS DO NOT WORK THINGS WITH MAYBE'S! GOD THE FATHER DOES NOT LOVE THEM WHO DO NOT CONFESS HIS SON JESUS AS THE LORD AND SAVIOR
supercesarpoolmaster 1 week ago
IF JESUS DONT DIE FOR THEM,HOW IN THE DIME YOU THINK GOD WILL LOVE THEM!!! THAS A STUPID QUESTION
supercesarpoolmaster 1 week ago
@supercesarpoolmaster Maybe God doesn't love everyone to the same degree. Not with the saving love resulting from the cross.
junglehappiness 1 week ago
@junglehappiness god loves everyone equally, the repentant and unrepentant. however, if the unrepentant do not turn from their sin, yhwh being a self-existent, holy and just god, will not dwell in eternity with any of his unrepentant creatures
ultrakool 3 days ago
@ultrakool Um, correction. God does not love the believer and the unbeliever equally. John 3:1 for starters "See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him."
Wunji1 2 days ago
@Wunji1 clearly, you've missed my overriding point. god wants no one to perish. he loves the world (that included you, me and everyone else..even before we were saved). it required love. john 3:1 is referring to the unregenerate soul turning a blind eye of indifference to god's salvation and his disciples
ultrakool 2 days ago
@ultrakool Wow, I even posted the verse for you, and you get something about "the unregenerate soul turning a blind eye"? 1 John 3:1 (left out the 1, but still posted the verse) is talking about a special kind of love that God has "lavished" on us who BELIEVE. I didn't miss your point at all lol. Your first statement says, and I quote: "God loves everyone equally". I think that makes your view very clear.
Wunji1 1 day ago
John macarthur is a false teacher who follows and teaches heresy.Calvinism is like unto a spiritual cancer that affects the body of christ.Anybody with a heart and discernment know that John 3:16 KJV is the word of God spoken by the Lord Jesus and revealed to man.Jesus is not a liar. he speaks the truth because he is the truth.Don't take the easy way and let any one falsely convince you of the reform theology. it is damnable heresy.
tgillspy2 1 day ago
Jesus speaks the truth because he is the truth.
tgillspy2 1 day ago
Bratan 4: I'm sorry but you just complicated it yourself. How can someone who is dead accept his free gift? God has been infinitely gracious by choosing dead sinners to be saved. ALL deserve nothing. ALL deserve the Lake of Fire and ALL are born in sin headed in that direction. You are looking at this the wrong way. Realize the immensity of God's grace over the hatred of unsaved men toward God. What an incredibly gracious thing our God has done through election. Please read my comment below.
mikenathan57 1 week ago
Jesus died on the cross for all. Those who accept his free gift go to heaven and those that regect it go to hell. It is simple lets not complicate it.
bratan4 1 week ago
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oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
mikenathan57 is absolutely right in his comments below. God is truly Sovereign and we are slaves, God is the Creator and we are creatures, God is infinite and we are finite, God is omniscient and we are not all-knowing. This is what Dr. John MacArthur in this video clip and many others like Prof. R.C. Sproul, Dr. Steve Lawson, Prof. J.I. Packer, John Owen, John Knox and John Calvin capture very well. The Reformed understanding gives us a clear picture of God and His works in creation.
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago 2
Si se siente la tensión. Pero la solución es actuar como la Biblia enseña. Es una excelente solución de McArthur
MrGaboredimido 2 weeks ago
he missed 1 scripture john 1-29 behold the lamb of god which takes away the sin of the world
reeceagodwin 2 weeks ago
God's word is so clear. It is not a matter of God being fair or not. If anything God is more than fair in the fact that He chooses anyone to be eternally His. Try to understand that all are born in sin and deserving of nothing except eternity in the lake of fire because of their rebellion against God. Some ask why am I responsible for Adam's sin? The truth is that all would have run just as fast to that tree. We all deserve eternal damnation. The miracle is that our God would even choose anyone.
mikenathan57 3 weeks ago
@mikenathan57 Exactly Mike ... God goes beyond reasonable all the way to being gracious when we don't even deserve anything but judgement.
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@AdStarAPAD "Im calling the teachings of Calvinism Unjust"
These Cavinists send sinners on a "Fools Errand", a "Catch-22".
They demand sinners to repent, though they themselves consider it IMPOSSIBLE without the DETERMINISTIC CAUSAL DECREE of God, then DAMN them FOREVER for not obeying, AS IF they themselves ever could, & call it 'JUSTICE'.
No, its called GOD showing Arbitrary Partiality.
Injustice is correct. Good call.
Isaiah1v18 3 weeks ago
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ARMINIAN PRAYER O Lord you know.I am the captain of my life.I know if I want to get saved you will help me,but only after I have decided I want to.But Lord my heart is my own and you cannot intrude on my FREE WILL,nor can you make me believe if I say no.So if and when I need you to get saved, I will call,so don't bother me until then.Also,if I decide I want to get saved,only then will you get most of the glory,but my decision should count for part of it since I could have said no.
CBALLEN 3 weeks ago
@ChristianityChannel "Warning others who are preaching the truth is not very wise."
Then consider him extremely wise for warning you for preaching doctrines of Demons.
Remember with each idle word and blasphemous comment, you store up wrath for yourself for that great and terrible day.
You're not IN CHRIST, so this warning indeed applies to you.
Isaiah1v18 3 weeks ago
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Calvinist.......do you understand that the "Elect" are all those who believe? God puprosed before the foundation of the world to have a people unto Himself based on their faith and trust of who He is and what He has done. These Elect are promised to be raised up on the last day and promised to be formed to the image of Christ. All we must do is beieve the truth! How hard is that? That is our inheritance. What a great God we have!! Let's get busy bringing as many to the Master as we can!!!
willpower242 3 weeks ago
7:07 "God says to sinners: You don't get what you deserve when you deserve it". That makes no sense at all.
scottbignell 4 weeks ago
5:53 "Don't ask philosophical questions, just be obedient". That's right. Be a slave. Don't think for yourself. [insert-rolleyes-smily].
scottbignell 4 weeks ago
@scottbignell - I don't know whether you are agnostic or atheist but you, like so many others, boast of intelligence while you are in the midst of committing formal logical fallacies. If you are going to be an atheist or agnostic, shouldn't you put your best foot forward and learn to be an intelligent one?
ChristianityChannel 4 weeks ago
Calvanisim states that God created people who would be blocked/prevented from accepting the Will of God and that God created them to suffer for eternity in the Lake of Fire. Let them preach this. Let them promote it. Let them face God at the final judgement as defend their teaching that depicts God as an evil psychopath. What you affirm as true and good will be what Judges you.
AdstarAPAD 1 month ago
@AdstarAPAD That is not what Calvinism states at all. Where did you hear that? Do you know what state the natural, unregenerate man is in, unless God grants them grace and saves them (monergism). You want to absolve man of responsibility and blame God? Do you understand the meaning of depravity? God is not an evil psychopath; man sure does shows signs of being that though by what youu write. You don't understand what God has revealed; you should ask yourself why.
ChristianityChannel 4 weeks ago
@Channel "That is not what Calvinism states at all. Where did you hear that?"
LOL, he heard it from your own IRRESISTIBLE GRACE & LIMITED ATONEMENT pillars, you deceptive reprobate! Your own demonic doctrines say God is responsible for Adam's fall into sin, that God forces a select few to be regenerated but withholds it from the rest who He created only for destruction. Stop trying to put a veneer of orthodoxy on your abominations trying to lure others to the destruction that's awaiting you!
JackMWolfe 4 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - Jack, you have a high view of man and a low view of the Most High God of the bible. You do err in thinking that man deserves anything but destruction. You do err in thinking that Calvinists believe God is evil and in your thinking that God is tempted by or tempts others with evil. You do not understand that if God had not saved some, none would be saved. You do not understand how God is perfectly just in judging His creation; you are not your own Jack. Every knee will bow.
ChristianityChannel 4 weeks ago
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@Channeler None of your gibberish has anything to do with the discussion - the issue is your claim that AdstarAPAD's statement misrepresented Calvinism ie - "Calvanisim states that God created people who'd be blocked/prevented from accepting the Will of God & that God created them to suffer for eternity in the Lake of Fire" which is ALL true according to Calvinism's own pillars. Denying it makes you a liar & so does your evasive response when challenged about it. You're permeated with deceit!
JackMWolfe 4 weeks ago
@ChristianityChannel Calvanisim states that God causes those who will be saved to come to accept the atonement of the Messiah Jesus and no human being is caused to accept Jesus without God making them do it. This means that all the people who are not saved where never going to be saved. Therefore God created them from the very beginning to spend eternity in the lake of fire, According to calvanisim people where created by God for the expressed purpose to burn in the lake of fire.
AdstarAPAD 4 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD - Calvinism teaches that man dies and after that the judgment beccause they have sinned against the one and only Just and Holy God. Start there. Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death went over all men: in whom all men have sinned." And Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men that they shall once die, and after that cometh the judgment:" Now, does the fact that God redeems ONLY some who are unworthy bother you?
ChristianityChannel 4 weeks ago
@Channeler "Start there. Rom5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world & death by sin.."
Good verse, it directly refutes Calvinism which instead claims sin was brought into the world by GOD! And your deceptive little jump to Heb9:27 ignored Rom11:32 "God has consigned all men to disobedience that He may have mercy on them ALL alike" - before judging them God calls ALL His children lost in Adam to repentance & desires NONE to perish as Acts17:29-30 says. You're a deceiver!
JackMWolfe 4 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe Man being responsible for his sin in no way negates God's sovereignty. I already told you God is not evil, nor does he tempt others with evil, yet he is sovereign over all, including evil, and he will from eternity past to enternity future always do His good pleasure. You err in thinking that because this is true, it some how makes God evil. You really should speak less, study and pray more, and foresake that false gospel you preach because it will send you straight to hell Jack.
ChristianityChannel 4 weeks ago
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@Channeler "Man being responsible for his sin in no way negates God's sovereignty"
You're talking out of both sides of your deceiving mouth again. Calvinism states that ALL things, including Adam's sin, are sovereignly determined by God. Either Adam was responsible for sin entering the world by choosing to disobey God's command as Rom5:12 says or God sovereignly decreed it & desired Adam to fall. It's YOU who's promoting a false gospel, blaspheming God's character, & manipulating the truth.
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
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@Channeler "Man being responsible for his sin doesn't negate God's sovereignty"
More deception. Calvinism says ALL things, including Adam's sin, are sovereignly decreed by God Adam was either responsible for sin entering the world by his disobedience as Rom5:12 states or God sovereignly desired Adam to fall - you keep trying to have it both ways. It's YOU who's promoting a false gospel, blaspheming God's character, & manipulating the truth then pretending you're not. You're a deceiver
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@ChristianityChannel If calvanism was correct, And it is Not. Then i would be very bothered. Because as calvanisim states that God causes only certain people to believe and accept Jesus as their Redeemer. Therefore if this was true and God was Just, Then God would cause ALL unworthy to come to believe Him and accept Jesus to be saved. For All fall short and are All unworthy. Therefore God causing one person to be saved and preventing another person to burn is Unjust.
AdstarAPAD 3 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD - You said, "If calvanism was correct, And it is Not." You are going to have to make a stronger case than that. Calvinism teaches that man transgressed against the Just and Holy God and is worthy of judgment and wrath; no man deserves other than wrath, no man comes to God, none does good, no one believes (Romans) and God merciful saves some for His glory alone by giving them a live heart of flesh and a new Spirit. Dare you call God unjust for saving some who were undeserving?
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@ChristianityChannel I am not calling God unjust. He is just. I am calling the teachings of calvinisim Unjust, As they indeed are. Yes all men are sinners needing The atonement of the Messiah Jesus and God would have it that all men to come to repentance and be saved. Yet men resist the call. For many are called few are chosen. If all that God called where unable to resist his call them ALL who are called would be chosen. The Spirit reaches out to men but some men will not come to the light.
AdstarAPAD 3 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD You say, " I am calling the teachings of calvinisim Unjust, As they indeed are." And I again say, "You are going to have to make a stronger case than that." The outward call of the Gospel goes out to the world thus many are called; few are chosen, God's elect; All men who are not chosen refuse the outward call because they are held captive by the devil to do his will. Salvation is Ezekiel 36:26-27and not contingent upon what an unregenerate man determines, glory to God.
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@ChristianityChannel So be it. I have given warning to you and others preaching calvanisim. You are responsible for what you preach as to the will of God. May you be forgiven.
AdstarAPAD 3 weeks ago
@ChristianityChannel yes, you are right ... Salvation truly belongs to God and He imparts redemption as He wills ... He saved Israel and He rejected the Amelikites, while both were rebelling sinner nations. So anyone who claims that they are smarter than unbelievers is just plain proud and arrogant. We are saved by grace, and not of our own doing ... it is truly a gift from God!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD So you are advocating decisional regeneration! Last I looked in my Bible it showed me that God saves sinners through Holy Spirit regeneration. The Bible also shows me that some are saved and many are not. And the Bible shows me that the Father gives all He wants saved to Jesus and Jesus will lose none. So clearly God never intended to save everyone who ever lived, because that would leave hell empty and putting us on the throne of redemption!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo
Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
All men everywhere.
Again:
2 Peter 3
9The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
God is not willing that Any Should Perish. You deny this and state that God wills people to Perish and created them to perish.
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD And those whom the Father has given His Son will repent and come to a saving knowledge of Him ... remember it is God's work in the hearts of sinners. And Jesus said my sheep will hear my voice and follow me (implied the goats will not hear nor follow Him). The Bible says of unbelievers ... they have ears but hear not!
Again, your pride wants to take credit for your salvation, when the Bible states that ALL glory is given to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo No you do not discredit me by falsely represent my position to be that i achieve my own salvation. Just because calvanist hold to an extremist interpretation of scripture does not mean that those who oppose the calvanist dogma hold the opposite extreme. I am saved by the Atoning work of the Messiah Jesus. There is no way i would have eternity with God without His Atonement for my sins. The Holy Spirit brings conviction but the proud resist. God is Just
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD There is nothing extreme about the reformed (calvinist) position in regards to the sovereignty of God and mankind's total inability to please Him in unregenerate state. And by the way it is calvinist and not calvanist as you incorrectly typed twice. It appears that you know nothing about John Calvin, nor do you know the difference between calvinism and hyper-calvinism. May I recommend to you The Institutes of the Christian Religion.Ignorance is not bliss!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo I do know something about Calvin ... . He advocated the murder of those who opposed his aberrant teachings. ;)
sonlover62 2 weeks ago
@sonlover62 again, you show limited knowledge of what happened with heretics during the 16 th. century. It was considered treason against God to teach heresy and that without repentance leads to death. Servetus who denied the trinity was warned repeatedly not to come to Geneva because he would be arrested and killed. The City Fathers put Servetus to death even when John Calvin asked for pardon. In the end Servetus never recanted his opposing views of the trinity and was put todeath
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo wow we know the discussion is coming to the end when a person thinks that pointing out a spelling mistake of the other person is a tactic that will prove their dogma.
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD it is "calvinism" not "calvanism" and you keep making the same mistake over and over again ... this is not a simple spelling mistake, but a poor command of the english language on your part. Turn or burn lol
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo You acid sarcastic mouth shows the lack of love that is within.
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD And what makes you so much smarter than your unbelieving neighbour? It sounds like pure spiritual pride if you ask me.
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo So pasting pride on me accuser???? Typical. No i am not smarter than anyone in particular. I have the advantage of having a Source of information, a Source of guidance that can make a babe speak wise and wonderful things. He is called the Holy Spirit. So yeah the Holy Spirit revealed to me understanding in relation to the Foreknowledge of God as it pertains to Predestination. It is from Gods Foreknowledge that He then Predestines one.
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD I thought the Holy Spirit guides us unto all truth as found in God's Word. If not so, how do we know it is the Holy Spirit speaking to us and not an evil spirit or our own thoughts deceiving us?
Your view that God's predestination is only passive in foreknowledge and not active in His daily providential rule and care is utter nonsense.
Your line of thinking comes from freewillers that hold to Scoffieldian dispensationalism and is unbiblical.
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo What is this Scoffieldain dispensationalisim? Another position i am being accused of holding in an attempt to attack the person and not the point which i made? I will be looking up dispensationalism now.
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD Ok looked up dispensationalism on wikipedia. I do not agree that the nation of israel is under a different dispensation. Salvation from sin will only come through acceptance of the Messiah Jesus. I do believe in a 1000 year rule of the saints on earth. But i do not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine, which wiki says is a doctrine of dispensationalism? Anyway there seem to be a few different Doctrines under that banner that i do not believe.
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD Study Romans 11 and tell me how God is going to draw the rebelling Jews. Just curious how deep your thoughts really are ....
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD wow you are spiritually ignorant. You don't even know the difference between dispensationalism and covenant theology ... that is Christian Theology 101
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD calvinism ... calvinism ... calvinism ... calvinism ... I thought you were led by the Holy Spirit in all things? Well, I guess the Holy Spirit did not teach you that the word is calvinism and not calvanism, or the Holy Spirit did tell you but you are a slow listener or deaf ... in either case ... you are guilty hahahahahaha
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@AdstarAPAD you are a calvanist and I am a calvinist lol
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@oooMauriceHartingooo End of discussion.
AdstarAPAD 2 weeks ago
Calvins 'election' is not in the Bible.......
willpower242 1 month ago
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A Question Calvinist can't clearly directly answer, children that are beaten, some raped and even murdered, God preordained this before their birth is what a true Predestined Elected Calvinist believes, but will not admit it. examples are JonBenét Ramsey, Dennis Rader and John Wayne Gacy, Jr. who molested and killed 33 teenage boys. Since we live in the New Testament now, thus sins are not passed down through parents to children, what possible answer is valid from a Calvinist? None
hemet92544 1 month ago
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A question for Calvinists: Demas in the bible was never saved in the first place? If not, how about Judas? He was never saved? How then did Judas heal the sick, perform miracles and cast out devils, when Jesus said Satan cannot cast out Satan
hemet92544 1 month ago
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A Question Calvinist can't clearly directly answer, if you asked a black man in the USA, say from 1700 to 1950, do you believe in election? how many would say yes? that would be zero.....get it yet? probably not... . wait, another clue, chances are highly likely you are a white male, correct?....get it yet? still probably not. You might reply with, “so what does color of skin have to do with anything?”.....see, point made, you can't answer clearly
hemet92544 1 month ago
Make it your intention to never get your theology from a murderer.........it will serve you well!! #MichaelServetus
willpower242 1 month ago
@willpower242 lol good one on Servetus, care to answer what i posted in this video at the top? smile
hemet92544 1 month ago
@hemet92544 dont see anything........please repeat it
willpower242 1 month ago
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@willpower242 play the video, start reading the newest postings, mine start out with "A Question Calvinist can't clearly directly answer
hemet92544 1 month ago
@willpower242 so you don't listen to Apostle Paul either? Paul when he was known as Saul persecuted Christians!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
Did Jesus die ONLY for the *elect*? Read John 1:29 and 1John 2:2 and 2Pet 2:1 and John 3:16 and 2Pet 3:9 and Rom 5:18 and Rom 5:6 and etc and etc and etc.........#calvinismisfromhell!#@
willpower242 1 month ago
You cant unscrew the inscrutable when the dilemma is because of bad theology. How can God decree that men sin and then send them to Hell for it? Answer is...................He can't! Calvinism is a false religion, it is NOT orthodox Christianity.........flee from it.........it is from the pit of Hell.
willpower242 1 month ago
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell..they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped..every women beaten..every person murdered..every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee from Calvinism. Repent of Calvinism!
willpower242 1 month ago
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@fractalfires1 "WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos"
Nothing new. He's been muzzled for months by Rom5:12 "sin came into the world thru one man & death as the result of sin"- which directly confronts his claim that GOD brought sin into the world & by 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist which contradicts his claim that God not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin. WCOF is a defeated coward who now only spams & hides from truth.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
I can just see my judgement now. Yes Sonny, you cried out to me. You told me your need for Christ. You admited you can not save yourself. And you prayed begging for forgiveness and Salvation. But, guess what, I didn't want you!!! Now, get out of my sight and go to hell.
Sonnyinfl 1 month ago
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@Sonnyinfl care to answer what i posted in this video at the top? smile
hemet92544 1 month ago
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from your sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
mamainmancj 1 month ago
@mamainmancj I believe in the atonement. The Bible says repeatedly that Jesus died for our sins. However, why do people continue to insist that Jesus 'paid the penalty'. This is not in the Bible. Jesus died to safely provide PARDON, not an acquittal. Purchasing an acquittal for the guilty is simply paying off the judge. The guilty can be pardoned, but they can NEVER be acquitted by a just judge.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
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Calvinism = Heresy.
willpower242 1 month ago
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Calvinist.......do you understand that the "Elect" are all those who believe? God puprosed before the foundation of the world to have a people unto Himself based on their faith and trust of who He is and what He has done. These Elect are promised to be raised up on the last day and promised to be formed to the image of Christ. All we must do is beieve the truth! How hard is that? That is our inheritance. What a great God we have!! Let's get busy bringing as many to the Master as we can!!!
willpower242 1 month ago
From what I just saw here, makes God/Jesus Christ a terrible person. Billions of "Throw-away" people. Of course John is one of the lucky ones. Go figure.
Sonnyinfl 1 month ago
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JackMWolfe 1 month ago
While I was watching this video, I have a sense that John Macarthur's uses his intellect about Christian theology too much that he does not convey enough about the need to repent and the lifestyle changes that is necessary to live a just life; in other words we need to abandon our personal and secular desires in order to live a pure life. He shouldn't have to debate excessively about what he thinks because he at times becomes at fault of feeling too self righteous that he forgets to be humbled
atime07 1 month ago
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.........they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal....every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism.
willpower242 1 month ago
The point that has been missed in all of this discussion is the fact that GOD IS GOD. I love when people try to question him. I think of scriptures that talk about God's reaction to man. The Bible says that he will sit in Heaven and laugh at the wicked who question him. David and Solomon talked about it. NO ONE in this discussion can question God. God can send all of us to hell today and still be holy and righteous. So, go ahead and keep going with your little human minds. Go ahead. Ha!
yankeefanintenn 1 month ago
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@yankeefanintenn ......you said.....' God can send all of us to hell today and still be holy and righteous. '
You are WRONG........God CANNOT do this and be holy and righteous. Why? Because He has promised eternal life to those who will believe in Him. Thats why.........and His Word is True.
willpower242 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn "I love when people try to question him."
Usually such a response, so confident, boastful and condescending, tells me that the person is on dangerous ground and is questioning God.
Be careful in case those you claim are questioning God are stating the truth and you discover at the judgment that they were correcting your questioning of God and laughing at them!
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@fractalfires1 "Usually such a response, so confident, boastful and condescending, tells me that the person is on dangerous ground and is questioning God"
Yes, Calvinists put forth biblically indefensible doctrines which offend Christians & cause unbelievers to reject Christianity, then claim everyone who opposes their heresies are questioning & opposing God instead of them! It's a classic display of self-deception, projection, & hypocrisy.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
@JackMWolfe WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos. He stressed that God does not get pleasure from righteousness, but that righteousness consists in whatever pleases God. Jeff contradicts Psalm 5:4 Ezekiel 18:23 Ezek 18:32 Ezek 33:11 and especially 1 Chron 29:17 "I know also, my God, that thou triest the heart, and hast pleasure in uprightness."
fractalfires1 1 month ago
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@fractalfires1 "WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos"
Nothing new. He's been silenced for months by Rom5:12 "sin came into the world thru one man & death as the result of sin"- which directly contradicts his claim that GOD brought sin into the world & by 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist which contradicts his claim that God not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin. These Kalvin Koward's only weapons are spamming & running away.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@fractalfires1 "WCOF suddenly got quiet on a few of the videos"
Nothing new. He's been muzzled for months by Rom5:12 "sin came into the world thru one man & death as the result of sin"- which directly confronts his claim that GOD brought sin into the world & by 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist which contradicts his claim that God not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin. WCOF is a defeated coward who now only spams & hides from truth.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@yankeefanintenn care to answer what i posted in this video at the top? smile
hemet92544 1 month ago
GOD IS GOD and HE CAN do whatever he wants. Who are you to question GOD?!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU are not in a position to question HIM> He can send all of to hell because of sin and still be holy and righteous. THAT MY FRIEND is the point you are missing. All I know is, I'm going to Heaven when I die because Christ died for me. It will be fun to watch you question Him at the Great White throne judgment. I hope I get to see you try to question him. I hope I get to watch.
yankeefanintenn 1 month ago
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@yankeefanintenn ......you said....'GOD IS GOD and HE CAN do whatever he wants.'
Well God cant lie. He cant deny Himself. He cant send people to Hell who have an excuse......you know like they are Totally Depraved, the 'T' in TULIP.......they couldnt know Him and they never rejected Him .......they just werent 'chosen'........thats all.
Calvin's philosophy is a man made religion that dishonors the God of the Bible.
willpower242 1 month ago
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JackMWolfe 1 month ago
God is outside of time, not inside of time. Pastor Matt Chandler - "God doesn't grab the Lamb's Book of Life, hop in the delorean and adjust the flux capacitor, and jet throughout time to survey who would put his faith in Christ."
Here is what i'm saying:
-Salvation is of the Lord (Jonah 2:9)
-Hell is real and people are going there (Matthew 7:23)
-ALL deserve hell (Romans 3)
-God chose a multitude to be saved according to his purposes before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-5)
airbornelamb 1 month ago
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@airbornelamb "God is outside of time, not inside of time. "
Funny how BIG the Bible is and there is no clear statement stating 'God is OUTSIDE of time'.
Don't you agree that Christians should agree on what is clearly stated and stop majoring on minors?
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@airbornelamb "ALL deserve hell (Romans 3)"
That statement is not in Romans 3. In other words your interpretation is what is important rather than what the passage STATES. You need to be careful about inferences. The Bible says they profess to be wise but became fools.
Which law did a baby break to deserve hell? Or better yet, what did the baby do wrong before being born? You claim he was damned or saved before birth. Explain that.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@airbornelamb amen!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
Calvinism is a false religion
Salvation is NOT unconditional.
Christ's atonement is not limited in it's sufficiency.
God's grace is resistible.
Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 month ago
@willpower242 Calvinism is not a religion, but a theological (reformed) understanding of the Bible, salvation is a free gift, Christ's atonement is efficient (effective) only for the Elect, God's grace is irresistible as seen with Paul on the road to Damascus, and finally all sinners need to repent especially those calvin haters!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@Hartingooo Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance & deception. 1st, Paul wasn't irresistibly forced to be saved - in Acts26:19 he states he chose to OBEY the message, an act of the will, many others have received similar calls but chose NOT to obey them. 2nd, your historical revisionism about Servetus is laughable - Calvin 1st betrayed him to the Inquisition, had him arrested & murdered when he came to Geneva for asylum - & he later boasted about being responsible for the murder.
JackMWolfe 2 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe Who stopped Saul on the road of Damascus? Who struck him blind? Who led Saul by the hand? Who opened Paul's eyes? Who regenerated Paul and made him into an Apostle? Jack your answer would be Paul's freewill. I got Good News for you Jack ... God judges, God convicts, God shows mercy, God gives grace, God regenerates, God saves, and God keeps His own all for His glory!!! Even as Christians our will makes way for God's will, otherwise we would be sovereign and not God!
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
@artingooo LOL, more pathetic comments about God & His word - Calvinists are the most biblically illiterate cultists on earth! God indeed convicts, calls, grants repentance, draws, justifies, regenerates, etc, but none of that negates the fact that men can choose to reject it all & instead die in their sins rather than have a relationship with Him. God doesn't force a relationship with Himself on anyone & He certainly doesn't deny it to anyone as your blasphemous doctrines accuse Him of doing!
JackMWolfe 2 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe And by the way I do not like your revisionist history about John Calvin and Servetus ... can you give me any historical proof for your claims that John Calvin boasted about the murder of Servetus? Any?
oooMauriceHartingooo 2 weeks ago
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@Maurice "can you give me any historical proof for your claims that John Calvin boasted about the murder of Servetus?"
More proof of your ignorance. Here's a quote from a letter by your murdering hero to the Marquis Paet in 1561 - "do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus" Calvin was proud of his murders, why are you trying to deny & take his glory away?
JackMWolfe 2 weeks ago
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@Maurice "any historical proof for your claim John Calvin boasted about the murder of Servetus?"
It was given but you spammed it & scurried off like a roach from the light. Here's what your murdering hero wrote to the Marquis Paet in 1561 - "do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus" Calvin was a murderer & proud of it, & his doctrines come from Satan.
JackMWolfe 1 week ago
God is love, he is not what you refer to as a megalomaniac who creates helpless people, but the Bible clearly states that we were dead in trespasses and sins. It also says that man runs from God. This why I love the story of the prodigal son, the Father went looking for his son and ran to meet him and bring him home. Just because the Bible teaches election, that does not portray God as a unloving God who predestines people for hell. On the contrary, but salvation is of the LORD.
yankeefanintenn 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn Calvinist mumbo jumbo. You claim God is love & acknowledge that all men are born separated from Him thru Adam's transgression, claim that He calls all of them to repentance but He only sent Christ to die for some & doesn't give the others the ability to respond to the call. So explain your objection to the statement that God creates these helpless people soley to destroy them & how He can hold them responsible for their sin - also, how does this show any love towards them?
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn "Just because the Bible teaches election, that does not portray God as a unloving God who predestines people for hell. On the contrary, but salvation is of the LORD. "
Rather, just because the Bible doesn't teach election does not mean that you can interpret it to make it sound like it does. Nobody is really saved from hell if they were 'predestined' to go to heaven in the first place. You make the term 'salvation' into a big lie.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
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@fractalfires1 A Question Calvinist won't answer, if you asked a black man in the USA, say from 1700 to 1950, do you believe in election? how many would say yes? that would be zero.....get it yet? probably not... . wait, another clue, chances are highly likely you are a white male, correct?....get it yet? still probably not. Wait another clue, everyone that is pro calvin posting on utube videos, are white males, ask them, bet they are.....get it yet? still probably not.
hemet92544 1 month ago
I am not a Calvinist... I am a Biblicist... If that makes sense. I believe the Bible is God's divinely inspired word. The Bible does clearly teach election and predestination, no one can deny that. The Bible also says "Whosoever will may come." I agree it is a tough topic, but election is clearly taught in scripture.
yankeefanintenn 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn "The Bible does clearly teach election & predestination"
It also teaches justification, sanctification, free will, grace, & sovereignty - the problem is it defines them COMPLETELY differently than Calvinism & all the other cults do. Calvinism turns the good news of the gospel into BAD NEWS for most of mankind & depicts God as a narcissistic megalomaniac who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell. Their doctrines are blasphemous & heretical.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn "I agree it is a tough topic, but election is clearly taught in scripture. "
Do you mean CALVINISTIC election?
If you are not a Calvinist as you claim then I hope you will be honest with answering this question. Nobody is denying that the term 'elect' is in Scripture. I can say something called election is taught in Scripture too, but what game are you playing. Jack feels you are deceptive. So please answer if your view is Calvinistic or not.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
This is must see too.......Calvinist Mumbo Jumbo........
youtube.com/watch?v=AWCv_BdZu8o
willpower242 1 month ago
Watch this........'Calvinist Witnessing'.........youtube.com/watch?v=R1ckoCBtXvU
willpower242 1 month ago
"And you who were DEAD IN TRESPASSES AND SINS...." The Bible is clear, salvation is of the Lord and not of man. A dead man cannot get up and say "I accept God' why can't you people see this in scripture???
yankeefanintenn 1 month ago
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@yankeefanintenn ......not denying Gods grace at ALL...........
Eph 2:8,9 For by (God's) grace you have been saved through (your) faith; and that not of yourselves (salvation is not thru works ie faith is not a work), it (salvation) is the gift of God; not as a result of works (faith is not a work), so that no one may boast.
willpower242 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn ,....Calvinism mixes truth w error ......you have to discern the two
willpower242 1 month ago
Anyone who denies predestination and election, has not read his bible. These two doctrines are clearly taught in scripture!!!! MacArthur is right on the money!!!!!!!!! I love this guy, what a great Bible teacher.
yankeefanintenn 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn ..he IS a great Bible teacher ...other than his view of salvation election, depravity, grace,...all things Calvin. Calvinism is a heresy..that is it is not orthodox. It distorts the Word of God and that is why MacArthur is dangerous..he is so good on other things but gets this soooo wrong.
willpower242 1 month ago
@willpower242 no thats not at all true
speeron 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn ...... Get 'Troubling Questions for Calvinists' by LaGard Smith.....youll see the nonsense pof Calvinism....MacArthur blows it off and jokes about it saying he cant unscrew the inscrutable but it is because Calvinism in NONSENSE!!!
willpower242 1 month ago
@yankeefanintenn ......they are in the Bible ...........just not as Calvinand Calvinism teaches them........do your research!!!
willpower242 1 month ago
Calvinists love to twist and distort the Bible........it's like a national past time for them ...a hobby. They love Calvins philosophy rather than God's Word. Flee from Calvinism.
willpower242 1 month ago
Christ's atonement is SUFFICIENT to save ALL!! That's what the Bible says it is APPROPIATED by FAITH. That's what the Bible says. How MacArthur misses this is really inscrutable!! #FAIL
willpower242 1 month ago
Rom3:21-24 But now God's way of putting people right with himself has been revealed. It has nothing to do with law, even though the Law of Moses and the prophets gave their witness to it. God puts people right through their faith in Jesus Christ. God does this to all who believe in Christ, because there is no difference at all: everyone has sinned and is far away from God's saving presence. But by the free gift of God's grace all are put right with him through Christ Jesus, who sets them free.
willpower242 1 month ago
Another great vid showing the inconsistent beliefs of Calvinism.........
youtube.com/watch?v=AWCv_BdZu8o
'Calvinist Mumbo Jumbo' ......a classic!!
willpower242 1 month ago
MacArthur has no answer because Calvinism is a false religion. It is incongruent. The answer is to abandon Calvinism and turn to God's truth. Quit twisting Scripture.
willpower242 1 month ago
So sad to see this otherwise great Bible teacher lead soooo many people astray.
God does not withhold His salvation from ANYBODY. People fail to receive His marvelous gift of salvation however. Heb 2:3.
willpower242 1 month ago
Here this can help....LOL... youtube.com/watch?v=R1ckoCBtXvU Calvinism is a false religion
Salvation is NOT unconditional.
Christ's atonement is not limited in it's sufficiency.
God's grace is resistible.
Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 month ago
Jesus died for all of human-kind. So, once we get that into our heads and hearts, the "tension" goes away. When we lie, theres tension but, truth settles the spirit. Its obvious that someone is desiring to serve God and win souls for the Kingdom that preaches that Christ died only for a few aka His "elect" is going to feel in their spirit that theres something wrong. Because there is indeed! Thats a false representation of Gods Word. We are to preach the Gospel of Christ.. not Calvin.
margovallen 1 month ago
The Calvinist cannot tell someone that Jesus died for them, because he does not know if Jesus died for them! He does not know if he is one of the elect!!!! OH MY!!!
TheWholeTruthNow 1 month ago
@TheWholeTruthNow yes, and the Calvinist does not know himself if God loves him and sent Jesus to die for him. If the Calvinist believes God loves him, then he has no grounds for such a belief for he does not know if the promise in John 3:16 applies to him.
He makes a leap and figures that his FAITH (mental assent) is the proof God loves him. He trusts his faith, not the Scripture as God's testimony.
Very grim stuff this Calvinolatry.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
He does not know!!! RIGHT ON!!! He does not have a clue because he is a false teacher!
TOTAL NONSENSE!!!!
TheWholeTruthNow 1 month ago
Calvinism is 'another gospel'............
willpower242 1 month ago
Let God be true and every man a liar........
willpower242 1 month ago
This is the foolishness that is Calvinism.......the 'secret will of God' desires that men sin and in fact decrees it.
willpower242 1 month ago
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.........they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered....every deceitful business deal....every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism.
willpower242 1 month ago
Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Jacob use deception on Esau a couple of times?Did Jacob claim Esau's birthright through deception and did he not deceive his father in pretending he was Esau for his father's blessings as well?It's almost as if Jacob was the bad boy here and Esau the victim,yet God chose Jacob over Esau. I know that God looks at the heart,but how does the heart change into repenting and believing.Is it man or is it God,or is it both?If Does man get some of the glory for salvation?
321spiderweb 1 month ago
@321spiderweb We all are sinners before righteous God,so were Jacob and Esau.Neither good men nor bad men gains favour from God,but new men do so.The only way to become a new man is having relationship with God since He is the source of righteousness.God favoured Jacob for he seeked the relationship.God love everyone equally but He favours differently accordingly with our desires how strongly we want to be with Him.If God forgive you and me,why not Jacob?Grace reaches beyonds.
lattkoko1 1 month ago
@lattkoko1 .Thanks for your replies.I really appreciate it. Big question here.Did Jacob seek the relationship with God on his own free will or did God choose him by grace first and opened His eyes to be able to even seek God? I heard recently that faith comes from God as a gift and believing also.For Jacob to even have the ability to trust in God ,God must draw him in. I heard recently all men are haters of God,inability.Total depravity .In other words their inability is moral.Is it true?
321spiderweb 1 month ago
@321spiderweb "I heard recently that faith comes from God as a gift and believing also."
Romans 10. Faith cometh by HEARING and hearing by the word of God.
In that sense, faith is a gift. There is also a sense in which it is the sinner's duty to BELIEVE God's testimony. God does not withhold faith from the sinner and then blame the sinner for not having this gift. What kind of God does that? A demon most likely.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@fractalfires1 Thanks for the reply.The bible is so vast in our understanding of it that a child could understand it ,yet , there are verses all through the bible that just leave me dumbfounded.So I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal more of the truth so I don't misinterpret scripture.If I don't know ,I ask and will not use my own human reasoning unless I'm sure with the help of my brothers and sisters who are in the word. Thanks again .Truth matters
321spiderweb 1 month ago
@321spiderweb There are the debates through the years on Calvinism,Armenianism,Revelations,the second coming,if there is a rapture before the second coming or if it's one and the same.If the book of revelation was written to the 7 churches and most of the events took place before 70 A.D.,pertaining to the seals,trumpets,and bowls on the judgement of Jerusalem.The list goes on.So I ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth with the help of my brothers and sisters in the body of Christ.
321spiderweb 1 month ago
@321spiderweb One more thing.Does the ability to hear come from us or is it of God?Apparently we were be dead in our sins,so were like dead men and so were unable to hear to come to God in anyway,shape ,and form, on our own unless He draws us in by the Holy Spirit. We now hear and our eyes are opened and which gives us the understanding on who He is and then we want Him more than the world.
321spiderweb 1 month ago
@321spiderweb "I ask and will not use my own human reasoning "
What? That phrase ought to just be banned from every Christians mouth, really.
Your 'human' reasoning is planted in you by God. The Bible says, 'Come let us reason together'. Then some 'spiritual' religious person has to contest God's word and creation and tell you NOT to use YOUR reasoning. When you DO stuff, like drive a car, I hope you use your 'human reasoning' otherwise you'll endanger yourself or others.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@fractalfires1 Hmm.You have me thinking. Human reasoning or rationality may vary from person to person. It''s universal to want to survive in this world no matter what it takes to avoid dangerous situations ,and to get along with one another,however how does a person rationalize the glory of god and his ways and to be able to have a relationship with him( What takes place in our minds and hearts?),if our reasoning,rational nature is limited to our finite being?How much is of God and of man?
321spiderweb 1 month ago
@321spiderweb being rational and being rationalistic are not the same thing.
Rationalism is based on an anti-supernatural premise. To be reasonable or rational is from God.
The Bible does not say 'be ye transformed by the removal of your minds'.
We are commanded to love the Lord our God with ALL our mind.
There is an anti-intellectual element rampant in some of the more mystical expressions of Christianity that is Gnostic in origin. It has to be exposed and avoided.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@fractalfires1 I'm no scholar ,however I do understand .Thanks .Just trying to understand how much is of God vs how much is of man pertaining to salvation.I think I'll just focus on reading the word.Thanks again
321spiderweb 1 month ago
@321spiderweb Amen. The Bible is simple to the believer without theology to complicate it. On nearly every page of holy writ, we see God gives laws. He offers his fatherhood, his friendship, his Spirit, his Gospel, his promises of support and help. But he doesn't obey in our place. Before my conversion I was under conviction and a big aspect of that was that I keenly FELT the onus was on me to settle with God's requirement. God calls, we respond. Beyond this is art and fluff
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@321spiderweb More simply put, it is a simple definition problem. To 'rationalize' means to 'explain something away'. In court cases, the wrong position attempts to rationalize or explain away the right position. So you see how being rational is not the same thing at all. Some churches slip you a mickey because they don't count on you using a dictionary. Too many churchers only keep sheeple in bondage by enforcing a hillbilly degree of ejoocayshun and follow Benny Hinn.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@321spiderweb Here's another important passage. Jesus told people "57 Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
Thus, he appealed to their natural reasoning, to their CONSCIENCE, to their common sense. In fact, in Romans 2, the Gentiles are judged by the knowledge of God already evident in their consciousness by nature.
HumanISTIC reasoning is not the same as human reasoning. It is not the mind that is the final problem, but the motive being minded.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@fractalfires1 I understand. Thank you . God bless
321spiderweb 1 month ago
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@321spiderweb A Question Calvinist won't answer, if you asked a black man in the USA, say from 1700 to 1950, do you believe in election? how many would say yes? that would be zero.....get it yet? probably not... . wait, another clue, chances are highly likely you are a white male, correct?....get it yet? still probably not. Wait another clue, everyone that is pro calvin posting on utube videos, are white males, ask them, bet they are.....get it yet? still probably not.
hemet92544 1 month ago