I have read many comments on here concerning the English or Welsh debate, the answer is that at the time of the battles (Isandhlwana and Rorkes Drift), the 24th was English, it's full title being, the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment of foot. The regiment relocated it's depot to Brecon and recruited men from the area, hence some Welsh in the regiment. After the reforms of 1881 the 24th sadly had it's name changed to the south wales borderers. The SWB did NOT exist during the Zulu wars.
My wife visited Isandhlwana with the kids back in the 80s (I had to work in Jo'burg)
The events of Isandlwana bear a remarkable similarity to the battle of the Little Big Horn in Montana territory just 3 years earlier. In each case (Lord Chelmsford, General George Armstrong Custer) The hunter split his forces to search for the enemy within enemy territory and in each case were unaware that they too were prey. Each paid dearly for the lesson. Of course Chelmsford survived his lesson.
Last time I crossed the Buffalo River at Rorkes Drift there was a guy completely stark naked pulling his sons ( also naked) across the river in a long boat using a tree as a fulcrum for greater ease in pulling the rope. Considering it was the 21st century it stuck with me just how far some people are still living in a so called modern world .
@cannoir who said anything about him / the zulu being backwards. Their forefathers certainly kicked our scrawny white arses big time in January 1879 .
I was simply making the point that people can still be living in a basic environment without the need to be clothed when the majority of the modern world is supposedly to be in such a technilogical state of advancement ....yet here we have a guy who was doing exactly the same thing as his ancestors were doing 1000 years ago
Rorke's drift was pretty inconsequential in the long run. Neither overall commander wanted to fight, but the British and Zulus both wanted a battle. Ultimately, it was just an epic clash between brave men for their warrior's glory. Isandhlwana was more decisive as it destroyed the British offense for the first period of the war.
@Tareltonlives True - but at the time they thought the men at Rorke's Drift had stopped an invasion of Natal. As mendaxer posted below the Zulus were fighting a defensive war & Cetewayo was less than pleased. As you probably know the war was launched by the British Governor without reference to London who were also less than pleased.
Here we are again, a bunch if pimply morons arguing about a war they never saw or could never even possibly fathom. Shut up, listen to music, rate and enjoy. End.
Here we are again, a bunch if pimply moron arguing about a war they never saw or could never even possibly fathom. Shut up, listen to music, rate and enjoy. End.
And for the record they didn't have those sort of rifles..maybe an odd few but not the numbers shown. Most were older some even flintlock guns but their training and marksmanship was near...well, not perfect.
the rifles used by the Zulus at Rorkes Drift did not come from the fallen troops at the battle of Isandlwhana. The 4000 Zulus who attacked Rorkes Drift had not taken part in the Isandlwhana massacre and only attacked Rorkes Drift because they wanted to get into a fight with the British Army! Wherever the rifles they used at Rorkes Drift came from, it certainly was not from Isandlwhana, like it shows in the movie Zulu.
@britishbulldog2008 I would say that Rorke's Drift was the opposite of a Pyhrric victory for the British; it was a battle won against vastly superior forces with relatively few casualties. The reason there were so many gunshot wounds was that the Zulus had captured rifles at Isandlwana and made use of them.
@britishbulldog2008 My great, great uncle was there, but he wasn't one of the ones shot -- it was an assegai wound to the ass. There is still a bond of respect between the Welsh and the Zulus celebrated with visits at significant anniversaries of the battle.
I'm curious to know more about this actually, is there any way you could message me some time with some of his stories? Are you saying that men who fought on both sides actually returned to the location?
@travett1001 Those who fought in Isandhlwana? I'm not sure about the Zulus, but it took the 24th about 6 months to finally go back there and bury their dead.
Great soundtrack, and good video, I like the discussion thread here. But lets not forget the Zulu's eh? We should now give thanks to them for at least providing a modicum of challenge to the British Empire before the poor bastards fell in their thousands to the new Maxim machine guns at Ulundi, but so far no-one's made a film about that dreadful episode.
Most were from from ENGLAND, but there were a few Welsh there. The last survivor to die was 'Clour Sergeant' Bourne, who refused a VC and asked for a commision instead. He dies a full Colonel. He was the luckiest of the defenders, many of whom died early or died in poverty, some selling thier medals
Totaly agree, zulus were a proud people, had their land robbed by the boers, boers asked britain for help and as soon as we got over there and defeated the zulus for them, we thought....not too bad this place lets defeat the boers now and take it.we started first concentration camps during boer war what we done to the boers in that time was unforgivable !
@Harkenish the zulus, were much like the british believe it or not, the zulu were originally from central africa believe it or not, and once they had settles in the south, they eliminated the opposition when shaka came into power, and he created one of the most disciplinary armies of all times.
Now weve come full circle.. the euro colonial powers destroyed a nation of people for land that was not theirs. its simple. Now the western powers are crumbling economically , militarily,and of course psychologically......Karma truly is wonderful
@telemanque: I wouldn't be too glad about that if I were you. Compared to what we see in places like China, Saudi Arabia or Iran, the Western powers are truly the world's last, best hope for freedom, the universal rights of man and the rule of law. Sure they've made mistakes in the past, but they're a damn better option than anything else out there.
@somedude221 The Western powers are initiating an apparatus to tax and surveill its citizens to death. Did you not see the riots in the Western "civilized" nations? The implementation of austerity measures..The corruption of almost every Western power stinks to high noon. But whats the answer to extorting the people? Thier answer extort more, cuz the banks are too big too fail.The attack on the constitution in USA . People have began fleeing the states. doesnt seem like much of an option
@telemanque: This may be true. It's still a better option for humanity as a whole than anything we see in places like China or the large Muslim powers like Saudi Arabia. Though, China is becoming better as time goes on.
All these comments regarding the defeat of 3000 Zulus by British imperialists with rifles. I wont give any pats on the back to anyone who are thieves and invaders. Truth be told the valor of the Zulus in the face of British riflemen and artillery is commendable to say the least.
@telemanque Credit where credit's due, put yourself in the place of one of the British soldiers at Rorke's Drift and imagine facing a Zulu onslaught...valour was shown in great measure on both sides.
It is a great film but so historicaly inaccurate, the zulus never saluted and walked off at the end either in fact when cavalry turned up in morning, the warickshires were bayoniting the zulu wounded making sure everyone of them was dead.
For everyones information they were called the warickshire regiment later to be called south wales borderers, and they were english not welsh, theyre depot was in brecon thats about it, 17 welshmen at rorkes drift.stanley baker used the later name for the regiment coz he had welsh roots, they didnt sing men of harlech either.
@tag1989 the majority of survivors were English anyway and if you want to think in those terms more englishmen got the victoria cross so in your logic both ways it was an English victory or you can accept that there was multiple colonies and it was a British victory
@tag1989 According to Wikipedia - The 24th Regiment of Foot is described as a Welsh regiment: in fact, although based in Brecon in south Wales, its designation was the 24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot. It did not become the South Wales Borderers until 1881. Of the soldiers present, 49 were English, 32 Welsh, 16 Irish and 22 others of indeterminate nationality
Predictably, the comments are based around small minded jingoism and ill placed patriotism. The bottom line is the film is a cracking yarn and has a splendid soundtrack.
THE BOERS (WHITE FARMERS) WITH PITCH FORKS AND GUNS AND CANNONS NUMBERED UNDER 500 COMPLETELY DEVASTATED AND OBLITERATED A TRIBE OF 3-5 THOUSAND! THE REST OF THE 10K RAN AWAY LIKE LITTLE GIRL! HAHAHA
Just an awsome peice of work. If i head this before going to bed with my wife she would not able to walk, forget what the floor looks like and have 9 kids in her belly and survive and tell me "One more time."
Bottom line people...CHARD was british...without his leadership and using ever tactic and trick in the book in a timely manner all those welchmen would have died like their mates did a few days earlier
@SONOFHERO52 CHARD was by all accounts incompetent as a leader. The person responsible for the defense of Rorke's Drift was James Langley Dalton. Dalton had retired from the army after over 20 years service, including combat in Canada. When the Zulu War began, he volunteered but was put in the Commissary. He was born in London, btw.
"Died like their mates did a few days earlier." A few HOURS earlier. Isandlwana is less than 15 miles away from Rorke's Drift.
@SONOFHERO52 LOVED the movie. However, the movie has as much to do with Anglo-Zulu history as the play "Macbeth" has to do with Scottish history.
What was it that Sir Garnet Wolseley said? "A more uninteresting and stupid-looking fellow I never saw. (Colonel Sir Evelyn) Wood tells me he is the most useless officer, fit for nothing." Capt. Walter Jones RE: "... as a Company officer, he is hopelessly slow and slack. I shall get on much better without him." Saul David, "Zulu" p. 229.
@a0e0roberts ROBERTS..Ive come to the conclusion YOU are incompetent as a historian....for one..the ZULU army that attacked at RORKE's Drift was actually a group of ZULUS that didnt take part in the previous fight...and two...WOLSELEY was a moron passing on second hand comments from other officers most likely jealous...a mere commisssary officer beating off 4,000 zulus with 150 british soldiers??...OMG...we can't have that...next youll have all the lower ranks advancing on MERIT and DEEDS..lol
@SONOFHERO52 Where did Roberts say ANYTHING about which Zulus were ar Rorke's vs which were at Isandlwana? All he was talking about was Wolseley's low opinion of Chard and Bromhead. If Wolseley was such a fool (and he did poorly in the Boer War) why was he the best England had?
@SONOFHERO52 You are wrong sir. King Cetchwayo ordered his chiefs not to cross the Buffalo River, however after the first resounding victory 3 or 4 chiefs decided that Rorkes Drift should be next in-line - even though it was on the other side of the river.
@SONOFHERO52 a few hours earlier.....and most of the defenders were english lol. though there were alot of welsh and irishmen, aswell as 1 scot, so a british coalition if you can put it that way.
@SONOFHERO52 I don't know if you were just having a friendly joke there or a sarcastic insult. me being a scot, im proud to think there was one of my countrymen defending rorkes drift.
@michaelUNITEDKINGDOM That one Scot, John William Roy, was hardly someone to be proud of. He was a drunken malingerer, and died of an STD. He DID get a DCM for valor.
I understand why they needed a rogue for the movie "Zulu" but they should have used Roy and not Hook.
@ImperialistRunningDo "That one Scot, John William Roy, was hardly someone to be proud of... He DID get a DCM for valor."
Well, there you fucking go. That is something to be proud of. His nationality makes no difference, but neither does his conduct outwith the battle. I can't say much for a person who casts aspersions on a man's character just to make a cheap, nasty little dig at someone on Youtube.
@Useless2112 Read up on the man for yourself. Do, please. One good place to start would be the Rorke's Drift VC webpage. I couldn't give two hoots about where he was from, but michaelUNITEDKINGDOM seemed to be making a big deal about it. As to his behavior outside the battle, the British Army seems to think that IS important, and only promoted him as far a corporal. Second-Corporal Michael McMahon DCM, on the other hand, had his DCM cancelled a year later for going AWOL and theft.
@ImperialistRunningDo Makes no difference. We're talking about Rorke's Drift here, not the man's entire military career. If michaelUNITEDKINGDOM is proud that a Scot fought there (and was commended for it) then let him be. What difference does it make to you? Who are you to say that he's "hardly someone to be proud of"? I personally don't think that a fondness for drink and whores is either a shocking anachronism for the 19th century private soldier or grounds to dismiss acts of valour offhand.
@Useless2112 I'm guessing that you've never been in uniform. I have. Drinking on duty's a serious charge. Making a regular habit of it will get you sacked. But while we're on the subject, look up Sgt. Joseph L. Windridge, a man I would have been proud to serve under. A good soldier, but booze took his stripes more than once. I'd have fought to get him on the wagon.
As to his STD, in the 20th century it wasn't such a serious thing. But in the 19th, it was FATAL and UNCURABLE. Big difference.
@ImperialistRunningDo Good for you. The 19th century was a different story altogether. Drunkenness was of course a serious charge but not an uncommon one amongst the working classes. The fact that STDs couldn't be cured has no bearing on his conduct at Rorke's Drift whatsoever.
@kylowblue The movie doesn't need a remake - History itself is given a re-make every 5-10 years or so - to satisfy indignant losers and make them Feel Good.
This is from Zulu Dawn isn't it. The Battle of Isandhlwana, not the Battle of Rorkes Drift. Where Source Wiki. "Of the soldiers present, 49 were English, 32 Welsh, 16 Irish and 22 others of indeterminate nationality."
@Proudnewfoundlander1 thats historically innacurate, the chant scene never happened in the actual battle, hate to hear that because id like to think it did.
Iam at war with the a***holes in my home area and i have declared war.....i play the zulu war chants at full volume out of window wnhen they are in area.. I have suffered 3 yrs of anti sociable behaviour, , maybe it will scare them away and i can finally have peace in my own home
@flashare Bit of a sweeping statement seeing you dont know me!!
For your information many years before the Zulus had swept into the area and ethnically cleansed the indigenous Bush People who already lived there.....they were the killers, invaders, etc and not very friendly themselves then.
They didn't own the place...I am sure the Bush People just wanted to live in peace too......but maybe you are the stupid one not having done your research.
Hey homer last time I read a history book the british got thier assed handed to them at Isandlwana by those "banana eating" zulus and it almost happend again at Rorke's drift so you watch your mouth before you put your foot in it
@EnglandOwnsSpain I am well aware of that,custer was an ass and a glory seeker who got what was comming to him in the US Marine officer's handbook custer is used as a example of the kind of officer the marines or any of the other armed forces don't want and one of factors to him losing his command was his arrogance and disregarding his intelligence
The regiment at the time was a Gloucester regiment (24th foot) believe it or not. It was re-named and then become the Harlechs after the invasion of Isandwana and after Rourk's Drift. Contrary to what you are led to believe, It wasnt a Welsh regiment. Have a look at the history.... I wish it was a Welsh regiment, but its a government and political cover up for having no legality for invading and warring. There was no authority (Queen victoria) from the crown or British government to invade.
Actually it was the24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot (hence their march was "Warwikshire Lads"), and they became the Royal Welsh Borderers in the 1880s before becoming part of the Royal Regiment of Wales in 1969. And though it wasn't a Welsh Regiment 32 of the soldiers (compared to the English majority of 49) were Welsh including two VC winners, though one of the VC recipients called Jones was from England ironically.
im a north welshman and was brought up near a little town called bala and that is where most of the soldiers actually came from and they were all mostly young farm workers and if your ever there take a look at the memorial
robjade i know bala quite well and the memorial, im an englishman and fully appreciate the service welshmen and women have given down the years. our local museum has a zulu shield on display and remember seeing it as a kid, filled me with awe and respect for those brave souls at rorkes drift. i count every welshman as a brother and fellow countryman. salute fellow braves as it said in the film :-)
The 24th is identified as the South Wales Borderers. However In 1879, the regiment was still the 2nd Warwickshire. It did not become a Welsh regiment until 1881.
@1314WhiteRabbit Does that really matter? The main thing should be that a handfull of British troops held out against 4000 Zulu warriors, does it matter if the british troops were from wales, england or where ever?
It seems all whites in all European nations were always against opposing forces that outnumbered them overwhelmingly, and even with technological advantage, the enemies numbers should have easily wiped us out. It never did. Europe and her armies were armies and people of quality. Lost and being lost today.
History:at the time of this action the standard british rifle was the Martini-Henry single shot rifle, which is shown in most scenes of this movie. But, as I said, if you look closely you will clearly see bolt action rifles being used. The first bolt action rifle to be adopted by the British, the Lee Medford, wasn't in use untill 1888, years after Roarks Drift.
don't neglect James Dalton-accounts of the action credit him with initiating the defence-he was certainly the most experienced soldier present, having come out of retirement to volunteer his service.
Also, if we look at Afghanistan, there is no way we can win without Pakistans intervention. Secure the border and you will secure a victory. History tells us the border between A-stan and P-stan was design to weaken the Pashtun(Taliban). It therefore splits their area of control. So if we beat'em in A-stan, they wait and replenish in P'stan and return in several months rested. So the war will be won or lost across the border. Pakistan loves making deals with the Pashtun. It'll be a long war!!!
Drexelur1 - you are a disgrace. Stone Age monkey huggers! Armed with spears against rifles.There is first hand evidence that the British infantryman acknowledged the bravery & discipline of their opponents.This has been the case throughout wars ever since, eg WW1 & WW2 were as US troops seriously under-estimate the "enemy".These "Stone Age" troops served bravely on the British side in both world wars. Their contribution has never been fully acknowledged to our shame, not their's.
Insperato62: As a US Veteran I have never under estimated any foe. What happens is our Idiot politicians, with there Generals in theirs pockets, love sending their troops anywhere and everywhere without clear concise goals. The idea is lets build a strategy as we go. when I was in Somalia it seemed like we were the only unit without APCs. Yet were the QRF. Even the ROE was comical. My friend took out a sniper with 40mm grenade and was brought up on charges. Silly politics.
You are funny drexel. I put your bad comments back to zero, by preesing the thumbs up!. I was in the 24th Regt as a young soldier and the Zulu stuff was drummed into us too, we had to live and breath it!
You were in the 24th? Dear God... how old ARE you? I thought the 24th Foot became the South Wales Borders over a century ago. Even the SWB and RRW no longer are on the books.
The 24th were formed in 1689 and amalgamated eventually with the Welch regt in 1969. The South Wales Borderers were formed from the old 2nd Bn Warwickshire Regt and became the 24th Regt and fought the 1879 Battles; most of the survivors are buried in their homeland where they died: Wales and Monmouthshire. I was 15 years in the 24th, unless of course you know more than I.
We seem to be splitting hairs. As we both know, the Royal Regiment of Wales was amalgamated with the Welch Fusiliers into the Royal Welsh in 2006. What I want to know is, TODAY
Many of our old regts are watered down. What the Prussian Guard failed to do with the bayonet, Tony Blair did with a Biro. The old 24th and its traditions are within the 2nd Bn the Royal Welch. Regt HQ is at Cardif with outstation at the old 24th Regt Barracks at Brecon. You are welcome and should pay a visit, and be shown around. It has the finest museum in the British army including the largest collection of VC's
Anyway, I'm happy to see someone on YouTube that knows more about this than I do.
You wouldn't BELIEVE some of the "armchair experts" out there. There was one who was absolutely SURE Rorke's Drift was defended by the Welsh Guard... It didn't matter when I gave him the address for the Welsh Guard's history web page. I finally gave him the phone number for the Royal Welsh recruiting sergeant, ha ha.
The Welsh Guards were the last of the Guards Regts to be formed, it was 1915, The Joke in the army was that they were formed to pick up all the spent ammo cases on the Somme, that windes them up a lot! All good wishes! Read the book if you find it 'Washing of the Spears' All best wishes, LD
Oh please! That "Islawanabe" or whatever it is called! I mean, yeah, 20,000 Stone Age African monkey huggers manage to defeat a poorly deployed army of 800 British, FOR ONE TIME ONLY! And we talk about it again and again, just to make the blacks feel good about themselves. Please! Hey, if the blacks could just hold down a job, obey the law, and support their kids, THAT would be impressive.
How educated you must be.....its a historic story about brave british soldiers out-gunned and out-manned and brave Zulu Warriors you absolute fuckwit....It has nothing to do with 'making the blacks feel better about themselves'.....and another reason some of us 'go on about it' is because the 1964 film is fucking good....CUNT.
Rousing
Cheers
unumgarlad 2 weeks ago
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comicconable 1 month ago
One of my all-time favourite movies and soundtracks. The music is so powerful and fitting.
chiefmungomartin 2 months ago
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happens in london every day now!
kingbleah 3 months ago
I have read many comments on here concerning the English or Welsh debate, the answer is that at the time of the battles (Isandhlwana and Rorkes Drift), the 24th was English, it's full title being, the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment of foot. The regiment relocated it's depot to Brecon and recruited men from the area, hence some Welsh in the regiment. After the reforms of 1881 the 24th sadly had it's name changed to the south wales borderers. The SWB did NOT exist during the Zulu wars.
guardsmanable 4 months ago
Never get tired of this. Stirring. Thanks for posting.
mutexnet 4 months ago
super sound track one of the best
nylonTS 5 months ago
My wife visited Isandhlwana with the kids back in the 80s (I had to work in Jo'burg)
The events of Isandlwana bear a remarkable similarity to the battle of the Little Big Horn in Montana territory just 3 years earlier. In each case (Lord Chelmsford, General George Armstrong Custer) The hunter split his forces to search for the enemy within enemy territory and in each case were unaware that they too were prey. Each paid dearly for the lesson. Of course Chelmsford survived his lesson.
MrSirGareth 6 months ago 3
Last time I crossed the Buffalo River at Rorkes Drift there was a guy completely stark naked pulling his sons ( also naked) across the river in a long boat using a tree as a fulcrum for greater ease in pulling the rope. Considering it was the 21st century it stuck with me just how far some people are still living in a so called modern world .
Ollfie 7 months ago
@Ollfie How is it backwards to be naked though .
cannoir 6 months ago
@cannoir who said anything about him / the zulu being backwards. Their forefathers certainly kicked our scrawny white arses big time in January 1879 .
I was simply making the point that people can still be living in a basic environment without the need to be clothed when the majority of the modern world is supposedly to be in such a technilogical state of advancement ....yet here we have a guy who was doing exactly the same thing as his ancestors were doing 1000 years ago
Ollfie 6 months ago
Rorke's drift was pretty inconsequential in the long run. Neither overall commander wanted to fight, but the British and Zulus both wanted a battle. Ultimately, it was just an epic clash between brave men for their warrior's glory. Isandhlwana was more decisive as it destroyed the British offense for the first period of the war.
Tareltonlives 7 months ago
@Tareltonlives True - but at the time they thought the men at Rorke's Drift had stopped an invasion of Natal. As mendaxer posted below the Zulus were fighting a defensive war & Cetewayo was less than pleased. As you probably know the war was launched by the British Governor without reference to London who were also less than pleased.
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Here we are again, a bunch if pimply morons arguing about a war they never saw or could never even possibly fathom. Shut up, listen to music, rate and enjoy. End.
Japanorama 7 months ago
Here we are again, a bunch if pimply moron arguing about a war they never saw or could never even possibly fathom. Shut up, listen to music, rate and enjoy. End.
Japanorama 7 months ago 17
And for the record they didn't have those sort of rifles..maybe an odd few but not the numbers shown. Most were older some even flintlock guns but their training and marksmanship was near...well, not perfect.
Hardrada88 10 months ago
the rifles used by the Zulus at Rorkes Drift did not come from the fallen troops at the battle of Isandlwhana. The 4000 Zulus who attacked Rorkes Drift had not taken part in the Isandlwhana massacre and only attacked Rorkes Drift because they wanted to get into a fight with the British Army! Wherever the rifles they used at Rorkes Drift came from, it certainly was not from Isandlwhana, like it shows in the movie Zulu.
Umbry101 10 months ago
@Umbry101 Correct!
pretoshohmoofc 10 months ago
70% of British wounds were a direct result of gunshot's during the battle of rorkes drift, i have heard that a few times by retributed sources.
This was a Pyhrric victory if i have ever seen one!!!!
britishbulldog2008 11 months ago
@britishbulldog2008 I would say that Rorke's Drift was the opposite of a Pyhrric victory for the British; it was a battle won against vastly superior forces with relatively few casualties. The reason there were so many gunshot wounds was that the Zulus had captured rifles at Isandlwana and made use of them.
Useless2112 10 months ago
@britishbulldog2008 My great, great uncle was there, but he wasn't one of the ones shot -- it was an assegai wound to the ass. There is still a bond of respect between the Welsh and the Zulus celebrated with visits at significant anniversaries of the battle.
lauwai4life 6 months ago
I'm curious to know more about this actually, is there any way you could message me some time with some of his stories? Are you saying that men who fought on both sides actually returned to the location?
travett1001 5 months ago
@travett1001 Those who fought in Isandhlwana? I'm not sure about the Zulus, but it took the 24th about 6 months to finally go back there and bury their dead.
oxmaul3dox 5 months ago
Great soundtrack, and good video, I like the discussion thread here. But lets not forget the Zulu's eh? We should now give thanks to them for at least providing a modicum of challenge to the British Empire before the poor bastards fell in their thousands to the new Maxim machine guns at Ulundi, but so far no-one's made a film about that dreadful episode.
BradBrassman 11 months ago
@BradBrassman The Maxim hadn't been invented yet. They had a gattling gun or two at Ulundi, but those are cumbersom beasts.
Are you thinking of the Matabele War?
ImperialistRunningDo 11 months ago
The shield depicted at 4m 25 is probably a Swazi shield, not a Zulu shield
beatlesandbeyond 1 year ago
This is probably the best film score ever for a subject like this. Rest in Peace John Barry.
BlackCountryPuddler 1 year ago
RIP John Barry
rocky5554 1 year ago
Most were from from ENGLAND, but there were a few Welsh there. The last survivor to die was 'Clour Sergeant' Bourne, who refused a VC and asked for a commision instead. He dies a full Colonel. He was the luckiest of the defenders, many of whom died early or died in poverty, some selling thier medals
beatlesandbeyond 1 year ago
Totaly agree, zulus were a proud people, had their land robbed by the boers, boers asked britain for help and as soon as we got over there and defeated the zulus for them, we thought....not too bad this place lets defeat the boers now and take it.we started first concentration camps during boer war what we done to the boers in that time was unforgivable !
Harkenish 1 year ago
@Harkenish The concentration camp was the invention of General Weyland during the Spanish American war, not the British.
BradBrassman 1 year ago
@Harkenish the zulus, were much like the british believe it or not, the zulu were originally from central africa believe it or not, and once they had settles in the south, they eliminated the opposition when shaka came into power, and he created one of the most disciplinary armies of all times.
michaelUNITEDKINGDOM 1 year ago
Now weve come full circle.. the euro colonial powers destroyed a nation of people for land that was not theirs. its simple. Now the western powers are crumbling economically , militarily,and of course psychologically......Karma truly is wonderful
telemanque 1 year ago
@telemanque: I wouldn't be too glad about that if I were you. Compared to what we see in places like China, Saudi Arabia or Iran, the Western powers are truly the world's last, best hope for freedom, the universal rights of man and the rule of law. Sure they've made mistakes in the past, but they're a damn better option than anything else out there.
somedude221 1 year ago
@somedude221 The Western powers are initiating an apparatus to tax and surveill its citizens to death. Did you not see the riots in the Western "civilized" nations? The implementation of austerity measures..The corruption of almost every Western power stinks to high noon. But whats the answer to extorting the people? Thier answer extort more, cuz the banks are too big too fail.The attack on the constitution in USA . People have began fleeing the states. doesnt seem like much of an option
telemanque 1 year ago
@telemanque: This may be true. It's still a better option for humanity as a whole than anything we see in places like China or the large Muslim powers like Saudi Arabia. Though, China is becoming better as time goes on.
somedude221 1 year ago
All these comments regarding the defeat of 3000 Zulus by British imperialists with rifles. I wont give any pats on the back to anyone who are thieves and invaders. Truth be told the valor of the Zulus in the face of British riflemen and artillery is commendable to say the least.
telemanque 1 year ago
@telemanque: Both sides were full of brave, valorous men, whether they wore red tunics or animal skins.
somedude221 1 year ago
@somedude221 that is true.
telemanque 1 year ago
@telemanque Credit where credit's due, put yourself in the place of one of the British soldiers at Rorke's Drift and imagine facing a Zulu onslaught...valour was shown in great measure on both sides.
Tomyris 1 year ago
It is a great film but so historicaly inaccurate, the zulus never saluted and walked off at the end either in fact when cavalry turned up in morning, the warickshires were bayoniting the zulu wounded making sure everyone of them was dead.
Harkenish 1 year ago
For everyones information they were called the warickshire regiment later to be called south wales borderers, and they were english not welsh, theyre depot was in brecon thats about it, 17 welshmen at rorkes drift.stanley baker used the later name for the regiment coz he had welsh roots, they didnt sing men of harlech either.
Harkenish 1 year ago
@tag1989 the majority of survivors were English anyway and if you want to think in those terms more englishmen got the victoria cross so in your logic both ways it was an English victory or you can accept that there was multiple colonies and it was a British victory
MrHookystig 1 year ago
@1314WhiteRabbit Acctually latest research shows there was a lot less welsh people than first thought, the majority where indeed english
MrHookystig 1 year ago
so are they saying the welsh beat the zulu's not the english? HAHAHAHHAH england fail once again.
tag1989 1 year ago
@tag1989 According to Wikipedia - The 24th Regiment of Foot is described as a Welsh regiment: in fact, although based in Brecon in south Wales, its designation was the 24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot. It did not become the South Wales Borderers until 1881. Of the soldiers present, 49 were English, 32 Welsh, 16 Irish and 22 others of indeterminate nationality
lurchendale 1 year ago
@lurchendale but they were more welsh survivors right? so therefore i think you'll find that the welsh won this battle.
tag1989 1 year ago
@tag1989 Er yeah. Fantastic logic!
lurchendale 1 year ago
Predictably, the comments are based around small minded jingoism and ill placed patriotism. The bottom line is the film is a cracking yarn and has a splendid soundtrack.
jonsixtythree 1 year ago
And the two chiefs that dis-obied the King did NOT fight at ISANDHLWANA...that was my point.
SONOFHERO52 1 year ago
Truly a masterpiece. This song brings out every drop of patriotism within you!
1992Shanks 1 year ago
this movie was great and im 19 raised on old time movies and this is one of the great films i enjoy watching . who ever aggress rate please .
893SHIRO 1 year ago
@893SHIRO Watch The Man Who Would Be King if you haven't already, that's an all-time great
Tomyris 1 year ago
@Tomyris ok thank you ill watch it
893SHIRO 1 year ago
THE BOERS (WHITE FARMERS) WITH PITCH FORKS AND GUNS AND CANNONS NUMBERED UNDER 500 COMPLETELY DEVASTATED AND OBLITERATED A TRIBE OF 3-5 THOUSAND! THE REST OF THE 10K RAN AWAY LIKE LITTLE GIRL! HAHAHA
chestermolester33 1 year ago
Just an awsome peice of work. If i head this before going to bed with my wife she would not able to walk, forget what the floor looks like and have 9 kids in her belly and survive and tell me "One more time."
gungasc 1 year ago
WHAT A FILM!!!!! :)
sytoon 1 year ago
Bottom line people...CHARD was british...without his leadership and using ever tactic and trick in the book in a timely manner all those welchmen would have died like their mates did a few days earlier
SONOFHERO52 1 year ago
@SONOFHERO52 Right, that flying platoon (not shown here) was something else - along with the final defence, of course.
gyrofoam1 1 year ago
@SONOFHERO52 CHARD was by all accounts incompetent as a leader. The person responsible for the defense of Rorke's Drift was James Langley Dalton. Dalton had retired from the army after over 20 years service, including combat in Canada. When the Zulu War began, he volunteered but was put in the Commissary. He was born in London, btw.
"Died like their mates did a few days earlier." A few HOURS earlier. Isandlwana is less than 15 miles away from Rorke's Drift.
a0e0roberts 1 year ago
@a0e0roberts by all accounts??..lol...missed the movie didnt you bob?
SONOFHERO52 1 year ago
@SONOFHERO52 LOVED the movie. However, the movie has as much to do with Anglo-Zulu history as the play "Macbeth" has to do with Scottish history.
What was it that Sir Garnet Wolseley said? "A more uninteresting and stupid-looking fellow I never saw. (Colonel Sir Evelyn) Wood tells me he is the most useless officer, fit for nothing." Capt. Walter Jones RE: "... as a Company officer, he is hopelessly slow and slack. I shall get on much better without him." Saul David, "Zulu" p. 229.
a0e0roberts 1 year ago
@a0e0roberts ROBERTS..Ive come to the conclusion YOU are incompetent as a historian....for one..the ZULU army that attacked at RORKE's Drift was actually a group of ZULUS that didnt take part in the previous fight...and two...WOLSELEY was a moron passing on second hand comments from other officers most likely jealous...a mere commisssary officer beating off 4,000 zulus with 150 british soldiers??...OMG...we can't have that...next youll have all the lower ranks advancing on MERIT and DEEDS..lol
SONOFHERO52 1 year ago
@SONOFHERO52 Where did Roberts say ANYTHING about which Zulus were ar Rorke's vs which were at Isandlwana? All he was talking about was Wolseley's low opinion of Chard and Bromhead. If Wolseley was such a fool (and he did poorly in the Boer War) why was he the best England had?
ImperialistRunningDo 1 year ago
@SONOFHERO52 You are wrong sir. King Cetchwayo ordered his chiefs not to cross the Buffalo River, however after the first resounding victory 3 or 4 chiefs decided that Rorkes Drift should be next in-line - even though it was on the other side of the river.
Berkcam 1 year ago
@SONOFHERO52 a few hours earlier.....and most of the defenders were english lol. though there were alot of welsh and irishmen, aswell as 1 scot, so a british coalition if you can put it that way.
michaelUNITEDKINGDOM 1 year ago
@michaelUNITEDKINGDOM Well hell...no wonder the British won the battle...they had a SCOT among them...you only need one (grin)
SONOFHERO52 1 year ago
@SONOFHERO52 I don't know if you were just having a friendly joke there or a sarcastic insult. me being a scot, im proud to think there was one of my countrymen defending rorkes drift.
michaelUNITEDKINGDOM 1 year ago
@michaelUNITEDKINGDOM That one Scot, John William Roy, was hardly someone to be proud of. He was a drunken malingerer, and died of an STD. He DID get a DCM for valor.
I understand why they needed a rogue for the movie "Zulu" but they should have used Roy and not Hook.
ImperialistRunningDo 11 months ago
@ImperialistRunningDo "That one Scot, John William Roy, was hardly someone to be proud of... He DID get a DCM for valor."
Well, there you fucking go. That is something to be proud of. His nationality makes no difference, but neither does his conduct outwith the battle. I can't say much for a person who casts aspersions on a man's character just to make a cheap, nasty little dig at someone on Youtube.
Useless2112 11 months ago
@Useless2112 Read up on the man for yourself. Do, please. One good place to start would be the Rorke's Drift VC webpage. I couldn't give two hoots about where he was from, but michaelUNITEDKINGDOM seemed to be making a big deal about it. As to his behavior outside the battle, the British Army seems to think that IS important, and only promoted him as far a corporal. Second-Corporal Michael McMahon DCM, on the other hand, had his DCM cancelled a year later for going AWOL and theft.
ImperialistRunningDo 11 months ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Makes no difference. We're talking about Rorke's Drift here, not the man's entire military career. If michaelUNITEDKINGDOM is proud that a Scot fought there (and was commended for it) then let him be. What difference does it make to you? Who are you to say that he's "hardly someone to be proud of"? I personally don't think that a fondness for drink and whores is either a shocking anachronism for the 19th century private soldier or grounds to dismiss acts of valour offhand.
Useless2112 11 months ago
@Useless2112 I'm guessing that you've never been in uniform. I have. Drinking on duty's a serious charge. Making a regular habit of it will get you sacked. But while we're on the subject, look up Sgt. Joseph L. Windridge, a man I would have been proud to serve under. A good soldier, but booze took his stripes more than once. I'd have fought to get him on the wagon.
As to his STD, in the 20th century it wasn't such a serious thing. But in the 19th, it was FATAL and UNCURABLE. Big difference.
ImperialistRunningDo 11 months ago
@ImperialistRunningDo Good for you. The 19th century was a different story altogether. Drunkenness was of course a serious charge but not an uncommon one amongst the working classes. The fact that STDs couldn't be cured has no bearing on his conduct at Rorke's Drift whatsoever.
Useless2112 11 months ago
fuck the Brits , Zuluuuuuuuuuu
magnvsmarcvs 1 year ago
@magnvsmarcvs wat a dick u r
BloodAngel500 1 year ago
@BloodAngel500 Be gentle....the boy can't help it.
gyrofoam1 1 year ago
@gyrofoam1 lol
BloodAngel500 1 year ago
for volper1690 that says it all and this movie needs a serious remake
kylowblue 1 year ago
@kylowblue A serious remake??? are you kidding CGI instead of real people!!!
Birkbecks 1 year ago
@kylowblue The movie doesn't need a remake - History itself is given a re-make every 5-10 years or so - to satisfy indignant losers and make them Feel Good.
gyrofoam1 1 year ago
for volper1690 that says it all
kylowblue 1 year ago
This is from Zulu Dawn isn't it. The Battle of Isandhlwana, not the Battle of Rorkes Drift. Where Source Wiki. "Of the soldiers present, 49 were English, 32 Welsh, 16 Irish and 22 others of indeterminate nationality."
Enquiringmind777 1 year ago
I thought this was neat, the Zulu's with their chant, and the brits countering with their own song
Proudnewfoundlander1 1 year ago 9
@Proudnewfoundlander1 thats historically innacurate, the chant scene never happened in the actual battle, hate to hear that because id like to think it did.
michaelUNITEDKINGDOM 1 year ago
@Proudnewfoundlander1
Iam at war with the a***holes in my home area and i have declared war.....i play the zulu war chants at full volume out of window wnhen they are in area.. I have suffered 3 yrs of anti sociable behaviour, , maybe it will scare them away and i can finally have peace in my own home
TheZDAWN 7 months ago
At one hundred yards ... volley fire ... present!
volper1690 1 year ago
it was a british regiment with a mix of welsh and english.. and powned the zulu
oIFoRzA 1 year ago
@oIFoRzA Any "pussy" with a gun will feel superior to people without any.
IMFLORIDA305 1 year ago
@IMFLORIDA305 You are an idiot. Seriously.
mspookie 1 year ago
@IMFLORIDA305 ahhhh,,but the ZULUs had guns...and so did the nazis and japs....whatever happen to them anyway (grin)??
SONOFHERO52 1 year ago
@IMFLORIDA305 ...that's why Florida is full of 'em.
gyrofoam1 1 year ago
"Stick it the Welch", as it says on the Parade Square at Maindy Barracks, Cardiff. Stand Tall, Boys. Hold you line, boyo!
Arclight74 1 year ago
I know m8 but it was a Welsh Regiment after all but i know what your saying you right :)
waynekerr114 1 year ago
@waynekerr114 no m8 it actually was the 24th [2nd Warwickshire] Regiment Of Foot who were based in Brecon, Monmouthshire.
Brilliant music but a film riddled with mistakes.....even so it is bloody fantastic.
1oldgit 1 year ago
Pure Quality great film and the Welsh held the line enough said !!!!!
waynekerr114 1 year ago
@waynekerr114 Not all of them were welsh
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@waynekerr114 Great movie but I would have shot the editor or the person who cuts the film because there are alot of bloopers.
TheHoomaikai 1 year ago
@waynekerr114 i never knew the welsh could aim
tag1989 1 year ago
Greatest movie theme ever?
STFCstoneroses 1 year ago 3
@STFCstoneroses no
Japanorama 7 months ago
I WANTED THE ZULUS TO WIN.
Hunternet7 1 year ago 2
@Hunternet7 Are you a Zulu then?
cassidy322 1 year ago
@cassidy322
No, he's just more intelligent than you.
You are so stupid that you can't understand the importance of a friendship and a union with a so splendid culture.
We invaded and killed territories and people that we don't own, without any form of respect. Europians distructed cultures, stories, realities.
We are the killer. We are the invaders.
They are just a population and a culture that wanted to live in peace.
flashare 1 year ago
@flashare Bit of a sweeping statement seeing you dont know me!!
For your information many years before the Zulus had swept into the area and ethnically cleansed the indigenous Bush People who already lived there.....they were the killers, invaders, etc and not very friendly themselves then.
They didn't own the place...I am sure the Bush People just wanted to live in peace too......but maybe you are the stupid one not having done your research.
Incidentally, I love zulu music and culture !!
cassidy322 1 year ago
@flashare Just wanted to live in peace eh, too bad male Zulus weren't allowed to marry until they had 'washed' their spears in blood! ;)
Tomyris 1 year ago
@Hunternet7 lol me too
tag1989 1 year ago
Awesome music from an awesome film!
aragax 1 year ago 10
Form squares ... FORM SQUARES!
volper1690 1 year ago
Before we go down the race path of the british , has any one looked into bobby durham of the DLI (durham light infatry) you might get a shock !
coalyard1 1 year ago
epic music for an epic defence.
sniperlordsilk 1 year ago
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What the fuck is this? I do like the sound. It must be some whitefolks bullshit though.
gazzi22 1 year ago
@gazzi22
i ask myself why this music isn't a blackfolk bulshit, but a whitemans? strange isn't it? The WHITE superiority is EVERYWHERE!!!
Wiligot 1 year ago
respect,
to all the white british men,
who fought and died on that day.
and to all the zulus, give them a banana .................
homerjaysimpson71 1 year ago 2
F*** off you racist!
fazhnu 1 year ago 4
Hey homer last time I read a history book the british got thier assed handed to them at Isandlwana by those "banana eating" zulus and it almost happend again at Rorke's drift so you watch your mouth before you put your foot in it
snakestomper 1 year ago
@snakestomper the war was a comprehensive British victory however, so hush your gums.
chrisUKCAFC 1 year ago
@chrisUKCAFC yeah that' true but british overconfidence got them in trouble with boer's too at scion kop
snakestomper 1 year ago
@snakestomper I think you'll find that's spion kop. check your facts if you're going to sound off.
premieresoldat 1 year ago
@premieresoldat I'm sorry about the misspelling,but it does'nt change the fact the the british lost that one too
snakestomper 1 year ago
@snakestomper
It was 1200 British men v 12000 Zulu warriors.
And the US lost too the natives, remember "Custers last stand" a shocking defeat...
EnglandOwnsSpain 1 year ago
@EnglandOwnsSpain I am well aware of that,custer was an ass and a glory seeker who got what was comming to him in the US Marine officer's handbook custer is used as a example of the kind of officer the marines or any of the other armed forces don't want and one of factors to him losing his command was his arrogance and disregarding his intelligence
snakestomper 1 year ago
@snakestomper
although the zulus won at isandlwana it wasnt a comprehensive victory as the zulu suffered massive casualties
therealLucianWolf 1 year ago 2
@therealLucianWolf kind of like the allied win in ww2
outpostflags 1 year ago
The regiment at the time was a Gloucester regiment (24th foot) believe it or not. It was re-named and then become the Harlechs after the invasion of Isandwana and after Rourk's Drift. Contrary to what you are led to believe, It wasnt a Welsh regiment. Have a look at the history.... I wish it was a Welsh regiment, but its a government and political cover up for having no legality for invading and warring. There was no authority (Queen victoria) from the crown or British government to invade.
kat834 2 years ago
Actually it was the24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot (hence their march was "Warwikshire Lads"), and they became the Royal Welsh Borderers in the 1880s before becoming part of the Royal Regiment of Wales in 1969. And though it wasn't a Welsh Regiment 32 of the soldiers (compared to the English majority of 49) were Welsh including two VC winners, though one of the VC recipients called Jones was from England ironically.
HimWotMustBeObeyed 1 year ago 3
All this dick checkin' aside, anybody notice the superlative music?
Kubrickfan1 2 years ago 30
@Kubrickfan1
the first photo of this segment is a photo of the zulu king shaka
edimage 1 year ago
@Kubrickfan1
john barry was asked to make music neither respectful or disrespectful to either side.
Clawjaw 1 year ago
@Clawjaw he did a masterful job
Kubrickfan1 1 year ago
@Kubrickfan1 that he did :)
Clawjaw 1 year ago
@Kubrickfan1 Outstanding music
patoo1000 1 year ago
im a north welshman and was brought up near a little town called bala and that is where most of the soldiers actually came from and they were all mostly young farm workers and if your ever there take a look at the memorial
robjade123 2 years ago
Erm.. being Welsh, I would expect you to know where most of the soldiers in this battle were from..
TakehikoKun 2 years ago
robjade i know bala quite well and the memorial, im an englishman and fully appreciate the service welshmen and women have given down the years. our local museum has a zulu shield on display and remember seeing it as a kid, filled me with awe and respect for those brave souls at rorkes drift. i count every welshman as a brother and fellow countryman. salute fellow braves as it said in the film :-)
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cwsss87 2 years ago
Was a company of the south welsh borderers
Proudnewfoundlander1 2 years ago
@Proudnewfoundlander1 south wales borderers but recruited from north wales{proper welsh}
robjade123 2 years ago
Makes sense, that is where the welsh language is strongest
Proudnewfoundlander1 2 years ago
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1314WhiteRabbit 2 years ago
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The 24th is identified as the South Wales Borderers. However In 1879, the regiment was still the 2nd Warwickshire. It did not become a Welsh regiment until 1881.
cwsss87 2 years ago
read the history of the british army u welsh dick head
mickcoker 2 years ago
@mickcoker your a tosser!!!!!
robjade123 2 years ago
@1314WhiteRabbit Does that really matter? The main thing should be that a handfull of British troops held out against 4000 Zulu warriors, does it matter if the british troops were from wales, england or where ever?
WolvesFanNo1 1 year ago 18
@WolvesFanNo1 No it doesn't matter in the least. Ask the French if they give a rats-ass.
gyrofoam1 1 year ago
@WolvesFanNo1 when God is with you,who can defeat you.
faz40 1 year ago
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@faz40 If God be with us who can be against us
TehCheese 1 year ago
@WolvesFanNo1
It seems all whites in all European nations were always against opposing forces that outnumbered them overwhelmingly, and even with technological advantage, the enemies numbers should have easily wiped us out. It never did. Europe and her armies were armies and people of quality. Lost and being lost today.
CeltzKrieg 1 year ago
was this a welsh regiment? or english?
yqvyb26d2 2 years ago
look closely and you will see British soldiers using bolt action rifles (Lee Medford or Lee Enfields), weapons not in service for several years yet
muscogeemike 2 years ago
@muscogeemike please read your history
robjade123 2 years ago
History:at the time of this action the standard british rifle was the Martini-Henry single shot rifle, which is shown in most scenes of this movie. But, as I said, if you look closely you will clearly see bolt action rifles being used. The first bolt action rifle to be adopted by the British, the Lee Medford, wasn't in use untill 1888, years after Roarks Drift.
muscogeemike 2 years ago
don't neglect James Dalton-accounts of the action credit him with initiating the defence-he was certainly the most experienced soldier present, having come out of retirement to volunteer his service.
muscogeemike 2 years ago 2
Irish Rangers - proud as i am to be a prod i am still proud to be a servant of the realm?
u mean our service is still considered second class?
froststorm100 2 years ago
Also, if we look at Afghanistan, there is no way we can win without Pakistans intervention. Secure the border and you will secure a victory. History tells us the border between A-stan and P-stan was design to weaken the Pashtun(Taliban). It therefore splits their area of control. So if we beat'em in A-stan, they wait and replenish in P'stan and return in several months rested. So the war will be won or lost across the border. Pakistan loves making deals with the Pashtun. It'll be a long war!!!
jopalo31675 2 years ago
Drexelur1 - you are a disgrace. Stone Age monkey huggers! Armed with spears against rifles.There is first hand evidence that the British infantryman acknowledged the bravery & discipline of their opponents.This has been the case throughout wars ever since, eg WW1 & WW2 were as US troops seriously under-estimate the "enemy".These "Stone Age" troops served bravely on the British side in both world wars. Their contribution has never been fully acknowledged to our shame, not their's.
Insperato62 2 years ago
Insperato62: As a US Veteran I have never under estimated any foe. What happens is our Idiot politicians, with there Generals in theirs pockets, love sending their troops anywhere and everywhere without clear concise goals. The idea is lets build a strategy as we go. when I was in Somalia it seemed like we were the only unit without APCs. Yet were the QRF. Even the ROE was comical. My friend took out a sniper with 40mm grenade and was brought up on charges. Silly politics.
jopalo31675 2 years ago
I could not agree more. However politically embarrassing Western casualties may be give it a week and they are forgotten.
When anyone who is/might not be an enemy is killed there is battalion of lawyers and peace activists raising hell for months.
freebeerfordworkers 2 years ago
You are funny drexel. I put your bad comments back to zero, by preesing the thumbs up!. I was in the 24th Regt as a young soldier and the Zulu stuff was drummed into us too, we had to live and breath it!
llewellyndavies 2 years ago
You were in the 24th? Dear God... how old ARE you? I thought the 24th Foot became the South Wales Borders over a century ago. Even the SWB and RRW no longer are on the books.
a0e0roberts 2 years ago
The 24th were formed in 1689 and amalgamated eventually with the Welch regt in 1969. The South Wales Borderers were formed from the old 2nd Bn Warwickshire Regt and became the 24th Regt and fought the 1879 Battles; most of the survivors are buried in their homeland where they died: Wales and Monmouthshire. I was 15 years in the 24th, unless of course you know more than I.
llewellyndavies 2 years ago
We seem to be splitting hairs. As we both know, the Royal Regiment of Wales was amalgamated with the Welch Fusiliers into the Royal Welsh in 2006. What I want to know is, TODAY
a0e0roberts 2 years ago
Many of our old regts are watered down. What the Prussian Guard failed to do with the bayonet, Tony Blair did with a Biro. The old 24th and its traditions are within the 2nd Bn the Royal Welch. Regt HQ is at Cardif with outstation at the old 24th Regt Barracks at Brecon. You are welcome and should pay a visit, and be shown around. It has the finest museum in the British army including the largest collection of VC's
llewellyndavies 2 years ago
(continued, damn this keyboard) ... what I want to know is, TODAY, does the 24th still exist?
a0e0roberts 2 years ago
Anyway, I'm happy to see someone on YouTube that knows more about this than I do.
You wouldn't BELIEVE some of the "armchair experts" out there. There was one who was absolutely SURE Rorke's Drift was defended by the Welsh Guard... It didn't matter when I gave him the address for the Welsh Guard's history web page. I finally gave him the phone number for the Royal Welsh recruiting sergeant, ha ha.
a0e0roberts 2 years ago
Aoeo,
The Welsh Guards were the last of the Guards Regts to be formed, it was 1915, The Joke in the army was that they were formed to pick up all the spent ammo cases on the Somme, that windes them up a lot! All good wishes! Read the book if you find it 'Washing of the Spears' All best wishes, LD
llewellyndavies 2 years ago
Oh please! That "Islawanabe" or whatever it is called! I mean, yeah, 20,000 Stone Age African monkey huggers manage to defeat a poorly deployed army of 800 British, FOR ONE TIME ONLY! And we talk about it again and again, just to make the blacks feel good about themselves. Please! Hey, if the blacks could just hold down a job, obey the law, and support their kids, THAT would be impressive.
drexelur1 2 years ago
How educated you must be.....its a historic story about brave british soldiers out-gunned and out-manned and brave Zulu Warriors you absolute fuckwit....It has nothing to do with 'making the blacks feel better about themselves'.....and another reason some of us 'go on about it' is because the 1964 film is fucking good....CUNT.
TheMasterNo6 2 years ago
The scene where the British commander orders the wagons turned over rocked!
Jelperman 2 years ago
Alex? either way they are dozy?
Cock!!
Mrboomal 2 years ago
One of the best movies ever made. Where both sides fought heroically and neither side lost...
bkohatl 2 years ago
I love this piece of music, if they ever do a remake they have to use this music again!
thebigJM92 2 years ago
Great sound track
cassidy322 2 years ago
Don't forget Jack Hawkins as the drunk preacher!
ThoughtTraveler 2 years ago