I see the use here of a Kenneth Miller discussion to promote the websites of other evolutionists, so here's a link to Ken Miller's Evolution Page. Actually, you can just type that into your browser and you'll get there. I love the phrase about doing science and how Dawkins sometimes drifts into religion and philosophy. Maybe these two guys should write a book together. Title - Finding Dawkins' God (smile)
@iz2sicc where does the new information come from? how did we got from sea creature to land mammals? this new information must be coming from elsewhere.
@halflifeproductionz Why are you attributing "information" to a creator? The word "information" is just human language. Without our brains, this "information" doesn't mean anything at all. We are a pattern seeking species thus we are relating human information to the mechanics of nature. There is a fossil of fish to land animal. Tiktaalik. Look it up.
@iz2sicc again your missing the point. There could be a creator guiding our evolution, he is using natural processes. Why is it that the common ancestor lead to homo sapiens and the other being monkeys and gorillas? the latter is definitely less intelligent than we are.
@halflifeproductionz Because our species evolved a more intelligent brain in order to survive. Monkeys and gorillas did not. Answer this one: why did God create such an expansive Universe where, if there are other intelligent life forms, it's nearly impossible to contact each other?
@iz2sicc well thats interesting because the planet keppler 22b may be an answer to life outside of earth. I think its an even more greater reason for god's existence because we are the only high intelligent species that we know of in the universe. We'd probably find other animals on other planets but i don't think we'd find an intelligent animal like us anywhere else. I could be wrong.
@halflifeproductionz I answered your questions just fine. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I debate people like you for the fence sitters that might be reading this. You responded to my civil comments with an ad hominem. Insult me all you want, it does not make you right or even logical. I will match your fire with fire though. You call people idiots and pricks just because you don't understand basic science. You believe in a God yet you act worse than someone who doesn't.
@halflifeproductionz You're right though. The overwhelming majority of scientists and the institutions they work under/support are wrong. But you and your creationist friends are right. You do science a gross injustice, but at the same time you reap all the benefits that science provides you. But yea, you're right and they are wrong. God or Gods or ButtFuckFlyingPanda did it all. Evolution is bullshit and invisible 3Titty Monsters are real. Yup, I'm the idiot.
@daogdaog I wasn't saying that it meant anything. Just that in the mind of evolutionists, the similar look allows dna similarity to say we are related.
@ScottjwKelly thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee(see i cant cut n paste repeatedly too)
thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee
@ScottjwKelly Again, do you have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor? Human genome does not show proof of human evolution from a chimp-human common ancestor. That is why having "mapped the human genome" is a misleading phrase because there are so many segments in the human genome the biologists dont know yet.
@daogdaog thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee
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@ScottjwKelly Yes I maybe an idiot but I am not like you who acquired your vestigial brain from an apelike common ancestor. Provide solid evidence, Dont bother so much on spelling. Do you have any mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor? Dont be so arrogant to claim that you are so perfect you havent mispelled word in your life. Evolution is not science. It is speculations after speculations.
Atheism (sans quotation marks) is an impossible position/predicament for sentient Beings. Humans (and alien humanoids) must delude themselves in order to assert that the faculties of men are the be-all & end-all of measure in assessing infinity.
If the atheists did not have Ken Miller, we'd have to invent him. He is the most effective agent of atheistic rationality we have. If evolution is true (and it is) you must accept the bible as the book of mythology that it is. Ken Miller kicks out one of the legs of the 3 legged stool that christianity rests upon. And emotionally invested christians will listen to him because is a an "in group" member.
@SnrSergntNEDDY You are well on your way to agreeing with me. If evolution is "god's greatest creation", then you summarily reject the Adam and Eve story. You recognize that humans evolved from lower life forms. That means that you accept that the Adam and Eve story is folklore, just like many other texts from that era. You are becoming a Deist - one who believes that God started up the Universe and then left it to run on its own. It's is a start.
@SnrSergntNEDDY One other thing. From reading your other comments, it is apparent you watched "Ken Miller on Intelligent Design" and it had an impact on you. "...sadly yes it is thr, telemeres whr they dont belong show the fusion on chromosome number 2, im not happy about it either but its a fact , our faith has distorted the facts." You should choose to be angry at your preachers, I would be. They told you a lie that suited their purposes of keeping you ignorant. Keep on thinking.
Today's atheistic Darwinists/evolutionists are the high priests of corporate science. They sermonize & pontificate, from lecterns & in clumsily-written tomes, on the "over-population" dilemma and the necessity of, foisting upon a stupefied populace, eugenic measures (sterilants & abortifacients) to curtail growth.
@procommenter interesting comment. I wanted to ask you - at what point would it be the right thing to control the earth's population? What about mass pollution and starvation? Or do you want to go back to the "And god gave man dominion over the beasts of the field.." etc. meme? Interested in your response.
Check what basic assumptions biologists make to estimate the divergence dates between humans and neanderthals or humans and chimps. Biologists kept changing divergence dates, meaning they are not sure which common ape-like ancestor if there is any, Read research papers that showed proof using mtDNA that humans did not evolve from chimps or neanderthals.
@daogdaog What are you ON about? Of COURSE we didn't evolve from chimps..! Or neanderthal men, for that matter (despite apparently deriving some interesting influence from genetic interactions with their populations, back when our ancestors lived side-by-side with them).
Oh, so you don't even know that NOBODY claims that we evolved from chimps or neanderthals (which is very basic), but you feel you need to teach us something.
@lardhat There was a claim by evolutionary experts before Krings et al studies that humans evolved from chimps. The point is that if humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, gorillas and orangutans based on mtDNA evidence and that there is no fossil or mtDNA evidence for a common chimp-human common ancestor, it is likely that humans did not evolve from apelike common ancestor. A common ancestor is a speculative concept based on rate of mtDNA mutation which is not fully understood yet.
@daogdaog doesn't matter what the evidence says. Evolution must be true and since apes look more like us that any other animal, we must be related in the evolutionists mind. THe theory does not so much look at the details in the evidence as it looks at broader comparisons then uses evidence, that could go any way, to say its right.
@semitope Your theory that apes and humans look similar so they must be related. Why is it that wasps and fruit flies look very similar yet they are not related? A worm has 75 percent identical DNA compared to human DNA, can you say that a worm is just a small portion into becoming a human?
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Ken miller argument about chromosomes is wrong. The number of chromosomes will not determine whether a creature will end up a human or a chimp. It is the sequence of code in the DNA strand that matters. It has been proven using mtDNA that humans did not evolve from apes or neanderthals. There is no mtDNA evidence linking humans to the so called ape-like common ancestor.
@daogdaog You can keep believing that fairy tale if you want, but dont be so arrogant to think that you know more than the experts. Evolution is a fact and we did evolve from apes.
@daogdaog Modern apes (including us) most definitely have a primate common ancestor. How can you be so thoroughly confused on a biological issue as clear as evolution??
@icygood101 mtDNA evidence showed that humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, orangutans or gorillas. There is no mtDNA evidence extracted from a ape-like common ancestor, meaning, a common ancestor is just speculation. As clear as evolution? You better watch youtube "goats in a tree" so that you will know that four legged short necked animals had no need to evolve into a giraffe to reach higher vegetation.
@icygood101 Dont bother to reply because evolution is not clear to you after knowing that four legged short necked animals had no need to evolve into a giraffe to reach higher vegetation. Had Darwin watched youtube "goats in a tree". He would probably not write the "origin of species", the book that never explained the origin of species.
@daogdaog If you didn't want me to bother you shouldn't have said anything, never mind made such ridiculous claims. Respond to me on your channel. I hope you can find the strength
@SnrSergntNEDDY Dawkins knew that there is no direct evidence like mtDNA for a chimp-human common ancestor. All he is interested in is sell books. If you happened to buy his books you been had.
@daogdaog whole genome sequencing shows a we have 2 fewer chromsomes, monkeys have 24 pairs did we lose sum in our lineage? did the ancestor have 48 or 46? one pair of chromosomes must have become fused, and when u observe our genome sadly yes it is thr, telemeres whr they dont belong show the fusion on chromosome number 2, im not happy about it either but its a fact , our faith has distorted the facts, the truth is evolution is real
@SnrSergntNEDDY Fused chromosome is just an speculation. There are 150,000 base pairs of sequence not found in chimpanzee chromosomes 2A and 2B. If those base pairs were lost in time, that would be another speculation. There is no mtDNA evidence extracted from a ape-like common ancestor. This has nothing to do with faith. These are scientific facts.
@daogdaog at one point down the homonid path we branched off from one and other, im sure people like u wuld love to fuck monkeys but it didnt happen like that
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@SnrSergntNEDDY Human and chimp branched off is just a pigment of imagination of your vestigial brain. It did not happen. Where is that ape like common ancestor? Do you have any mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor? If you intend to get intimate with apes, forget it. It would be an insult to apes.
@SnrSergntNEDDY You dont have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor, so you look for spelling mistakes. You must not have mispelled a word once in your life.
@daogdaog trying to sound clever yet looking like a total idiot well done "pigment" LMFAO loser go back to school(bibe school) evidence of the lower intelligence common amoungst the religious, low brain power is the reason you swallow the fairytale of the bible
@keliangarcia You dont have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor, so you look for spelling mistakes. You must not have mispelled a word once in your life. Dont be so arrogant to consider yourself perfect. This is not a spelling quiz.
@daogdaog thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee,
@666Sanshou I was asking if you have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like chimp-human common ancestor. How can you extract mtDNA from a common ancestor which is yet to be found? The only mtDNA evidence we have so far is that humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, gorillas or orangutans. (Studeis by Krings et al) The common ancestor is just an speculation based on the rate of mutation of mtDNA which is not fully understood by biologists.
@daogdaog as sum1 already pointed out its not a spelling mistake its misquoting because your vocabulary is so lacking you failed to register the correct word for the saying, if you had sufficient language skills you would know the difference between figment and pigment, just let it go you are in way over your head, you used the word vestigial which is the negative effect evolution has had on biological function in an argument against evolution...........try using a dictionary or ask for help
@keliangarcia Why are you making this as spelling quiz? I have read so many evolutionists comments here much worse than my comments with terrible spelling and grammatical errors, but it is okay because the discussion here is about evolution not spelling. Dont tell me you have not mispelled a word once in your life. Does it make you an idiot? Again, provide a solid evidence like mtDNA extracted from an apelike ommon ancestor if you have any.
@daogdaog as already stated it was not a spelling mistake, you used the complete wrong word because you were using a phrase that contained words you didnt understand the definition of, further more you said "Vestigial" which is by definition an effect of evolution, so using the word vestigial if you knew what it meant, implies you accept the truth of evolution, its about as stupid as "there is no such thing as God and i pray you realise this"
@daogdaog Your vocabulary is too poor to use as a tool to insult people, You used two words in one insult that in context were completely wrong, Vestigial=result of evolution(look it up) so using the word to argue against Evolution is a contradiction(look it up)or oxymoron, nobody would pull you up about spelling but when you go insulting people trying to sound educated you ask for scrutiny, you failed miserably.
@LinguisticsMajor99 There is no solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an apelike common chimps-humans ancestor. However, there is a solid mtDNA evidence that humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, gorillas or orangutans (Krings et al). An ape like common ancestor is just a speculation based on rate of mtDNA mutations which is not fully understood yet.
@daogdaog give up and go home already kelian&scott have owned you on every comment, just let it go and find some people with a similar low level of brain function to debate your outdated foolishness with
@SHIFTYJudoka This a typical comment of evolutionists who cannot provide a solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an apelike common ancestor. Which one is the common ancestor of chimps and humans? Why do biologists have so many branch off dates for chimp-human common ancestor? They kept on pushing back divergence dates. An ape like common ancestor is just a speculation based on rate of mtDNA mutations which is not fully understood yet. I dont expect you to understand that.
@daogdaog what is understood is there is more of a match to humans to chimp, than chimp to gorilla if you cannot connect those dots that is your failure.
All theists and atheists alike should behave and respect one another the way dawkins and miller do. It is not the end of the world if someone disagrees with you.
@sailornaruto39 because the evidence in a deity is impossible to find, it is out of our sight of existence, that's why we have faith, just because it is possible that we evolved from apes doesn't disprove the fact that God exists, now as a Catholic myself, I don't believe evolution is true, I just highly doubt it happened, if it did, it did, but I don't let it get in the way of my faith in Christ
@residentevilfreakk55 ..... ummm if it is unprovable and not even knowable why bother with it?You can't tell it apart from nothing so in a pratical sense it kinda isn't there.It is unknowable whether we are all just the setient dream of so deity.but in all practicallty it is a useless notion,because as beings of reasons who don't bother with things we shouldn't bother with things that we know can't be proved or tested ever.It is wasting time cherry picking.
@sailornaruto39 proving that a deity is impossible, because it is out of our realm, no one can physically point that out, that's why we have faith and when we die we will see him in the afterlife, no one can use practical thinking about after death because no one has been able to record what happens after death, and its not cherry picking, you can prove what happened on Earth, not what happens afterwards, no one can
@residentevilfreakk55 ....ok and? does my last comment not still stand?that it is a pointless postition and cherry picking?How can we even say anything when we don't even know if it exists,that is an argument by definition and not very good at that.
"its not cherry picking," yes it is,when you start choosing baselessly on how you believe things, why are you a catholic and not muslim?You are making claims of the unkowable,which contradicts itself.
@sailornaruto39 We say that we know it exists, we "believe" it exists, I am not a Muslim because I BELIEVE that the Quran is a corrupt book, its not baselessly, and the only argument, is that if you choose to believe that Christ died for your sins, you will be granted eternal life, and if you don't, you will be separated from him for eternity
@residentevilfreakk55 oh wow so you are one of those people and we all know the bible is full of nothing but good things.See, you contradict yourself, you say god can't be proven(the fundemental premise to religion) yet you say it isn't baseless? You know the quran and the bible aren't the holly books in the world,there are many choices.If you can't prove something why bother telling me it?\
@sailornaruto39 it isn't baseless, the Bible is the base of Christianity, It is the number 1 best-seller book of all time, and even though there are many other choices, that doesn't make them right, it is on faith, he believes that this will happen, you can't prove that God doesn't exists, do maybe that's my reason for telling you.
you just made like 3 fallcies there, chritanity is baseless because it is based on a baseless book.You can't disprove islamic god so that must mean it is logical to believe in it.The bible isn't any more right because alot of people believe it
@sailornaruto39 ah but there is a difference, the christian God requires you to have faith in his son, the islamic religion doesn't require any but just to be a good person, I have a faith and am a good person, i don't think i have anything else to worry about :)
@residentevilfreakk55 that is exactly my point and if that is so your god is arrogant.You are proving every point i made,you are just cherry picking, both gods are just as unprovable yet you favor one with no real credible method of dicerning it as the truth.What exactly does this have to do with my initial point? If anything all you have done is shown me that religion and science are opposites in practice.
@sailornaruto39 what it is doing is exactly proving my point that the islamic god is a fallacy, its not the thing I like, its the thing God wants, the Christian one to be exact, all the islamic god is for us to be good people, you tell me which one sounds more realistic
@sailornaruto39 I believe that God could have made the Earth in 30 seconds, it doesn't matter, he is out of our sight of existence, so we have faith, there are people who have written these things down in the Bible, you don't believe because its not right in front of your face right now, but He will
@residentevilfreakk55 if you aren't going to give me something that has tangent is some way and not give me an argument refuted by many others i would like to see it.
We can't see god yet you claim another isn't real because he is a little different?
All you are doing is repeating the same thing over and over, and proving my point.
@residentevilfreakk55 from what i have observed it is the same erroneous reasons as you.But please do tell.And just to let you know, the whole world could believe him,wouldn't effect if he is true or not.
@sailornaruto39 it doesn't matter how much of the population believes in Him, it doesnt affect whether what is true, it just shows how much of the world has opened their eyes, It is ridiculous to believe that nothing created everything, that is my reason, the big bang is mere speculation for the atheists because they have nothing else against the fact that God created the Earth and besides even if your right and there is no God, then nothing happens, but if im right, the non-believers go to hell
@residentevilfreakk55 They look at the available evidence and draw conclusions from that.Now i don't know much about the big bang, you would need alot to know,unlike many people i avoid talking about things i don't know of.
OMG i just knew you would bring the fallacious reasoning.
Dead lord even pascal's wager?I knew you had nothing good to offer.If you believe just to avoid hell then wouldn't god know?Then you aren't really believing
@sailornaruto39 that's the only thing that there is to offer, I don't just believe to avoid hell, I would even if hell didn't exist, believing to avoid hell is just an incentive that i give atheists, so im on their level on the conversion at hand, either you go to heaven or you go to hell, but in your mind, we all cease to exists, isn't that what everyone cares, what happens at the end?
@sailornaruto39 Theres the only differences, if you look at all the religions, their terms for getting into heaven includes nothing more than being a good person with good character, no not to trick, but to save those who are blinded by everything else, all the denominations of Christianity all fall under the same thing which is "No one enters God's kingdom, but through me", i realize this may not be evidence but the opinion of the Christian people, Pascal's wagner supports that rule
@residentevilfreakk55 As i have told you it doesn't matter what the other religions says.You can't judge them to be anymore true than yours when both of you have no proof.DO you not understand this?
"Pascal's wagner supports that rule"
so why would an atheist bother with it?Why don't you say that to the other religions?
And yes it is trying to trick him simply believing out of a what if.
@residentevilfreakk55 and seriously? are so brain dead/washed to have a problem with only being a good person?Why would god send a good person to hell for something as minor as not believing in him when he designed us to be smart and have logic?
How is a god only wanting you to be a good person in anyways disprove that such a god exists?
Honestly your logic is appalling you're gonna make you curse you out again XD
@sailornaruto39 you make hell seem like it is always burning in flames, hell merely means separation from His kingdom and from Him, the burning in hell is for the non-believers who have truly hardened their hearts, although he did designed us, we sinned, and now we are imperfect, all humans. It proves that if those religons are true, which their not, then we being good Christians wouldn't suffer for our faiths, my logic supports every corner of controversy in the topic of religion, yours differs
@residentevilfreakk55 forget it the mere fact you find validity in what you just says tell me you are in fact and idiot and that iam not going to be nice about it anymore.All you have done is prove my point that science and religion by principle are opposite,in practice.
What you have details to me is that you have confirmation bias.Just because other gods ask for something that yours does't makes them untrue?No it doesn't they are just asking something different.
@sailornaruto39 now now, we don't have to resort to name-calling like a childish kid, science has no proof that God doesn't exist, so this isn't a science related topic, science is what is on this life, religion is what's on the next life, which science has so far proven nothing.
And what I am saying is that if they are true, then I do not suffer for believing in a differ cause, but in Christianity, I do, so Im an idiot for having an opinion? Believing in a certain cause?
@sailornaruto39 I am well aware that religion is a non-scientific topic, it is out of THIS life, so we don't know what will happen, Miller has been teaching topics that are in THIS life,
Although both religion and science prove nothing in this life, about the next life, science provides nothing in the next life, while religion does.
Then your an idiot, we already talked about there isn't any reasoning for there NOT being a life after this one, and science has no consequence but religion does
@residentevilfreakk55 " while religion does." yeah nothing but guesses and baseless speculation,
" there isn't any reasoning for there NOT being a life after this one"
while there is no disprove when it comes to logic depending on disproof is not a valid way of coming to know thing.There might not be any reason for it not to exist,but there is a reason to not bother with the belief. We can't tell it a part from nothing
stop with the pascal's wager,it is purely a what if and has no way of being understood to be true drop it already.You realize that science and religion are opposites Kenneth doesn't..... which is exactly why i asked the original comment you wasted time bothering me with the same old CRAP that has been refuted so many times.You have only proved my point.
@residentevilfreakk55 no not really,not when there isn't any proof.You can just as well threaten someone with any old crap you can pull out of your ass.Why don't you tell people to dress up for Halloween to protect them from the spirits?Maybe they will get them in the afterlife.Why do you feel your religion is so right that you feel your hell is anymore persuasive as any other religions hell?Why would you expect something that we aren't naturally aware of to persuade anyone?
@sailornaruto39 okay are you just going to repeat the same things we already talked about because im just wasting my time then. You can't compare things like Halloween, which is in THIS life, and hell which is in the NEXT life.
Because every other religion's hell is about being a horrible person and we live in Christian values which I believe are all very moral. And many people are aware of hell, 99% of the world knows, religion will NEVER be wiped off this planet
@residentevilfreakk55 this is why you are an idiot.How does other gods wanting something different disprove them to exist?Can they not exist and just want people to be a good person?what they want has no effect on whether they exist or not.
" hell is about being a horrible person" and that is all it should be about.
Unless if you can explain how a god wanting something different disproves them don't answer me because u have demonstrated to be an idiot.
@sailornaruto39 and this is why YOUR an idiot, because your so thin-headed, you don't grasp what I am saying, "If they are true" then I never needed faith, that doesn't I get punished for it. Although it has no effect, they still don't talk about punishment for having faith in another.
No hell is about no having faith, and that is how it's about
I told you, we find out when we die, it doesn't disprove anything, believing in Jesus provides a way to heaven, not other religions so, it sticks out
@sailornaruto39 but they aren't true and Christianity is right, then you go to hell for having not believing in Christ,
In Christianity, yeah he does, that's your ticket to eternal life
I don't assert that I'm right, I KNOW I am right, I only say "if" because I have to use terms that you will understand. I'm going to say it for the last time, THERE IS NO PROOF, you can cut proof out of this conversion, its about what happens after this life
@residentevilfreakk55 you KNOW you are right? how did you come to decide that?How can you know something with out proof?That explains why you think other religion.
" Christianity is right,"
"I don't assert that I'm right, I KNOW I am right,"
that is asserting dumbass.
How can you claim to know something you put in the unknowable world i.e
" it is out of our sight of existence"
oh yeah faith.Never mind you really did waste my time with your arrogant dribble.
@sailornaruto39 Um no asserting is when you think something, I KNOW this, I am 100% sure, I am not wasting your time, you are wasting mine, I tried to help you but your arrogance has proven otherwise, atheism promises nothing, Christianity promises EVERYTHING, Kenneth R. Miller is a brilliant man, so this video isn't really for you
how and why? If he is in the unknowable realm there is nothing to tell him a part from nothing.And he is just that, unknowable.My original question was how can he say religion and science and able to work together,all you did was basically tell me that they don't.
@sailornaruto39 I know 100% because all these reasons lead up to my opinion,
Atheism: Nothing will happen
Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc: Being a good person gets you into heaven
Christianity: Having faith grants you eternal life.
I know what the stakes are, and that doesn't mean the stakes pressure me into believing or practicing this religion, I praise because I choose to, the proof is not within your vision, but when you die, you will see Him, and you will believe my child that's how i know
@residentevilfreakk55 like i said,what they promise has nothing to do with them actually being true, i can make something up.But what the premise is is irrelevant to practical objectivity.
Why is being nothing but a good person such a deterant from believing other religions?
That doesn't make any sense.What if one of the religions are right?
Like i said,that is confirmation bias,you don't believe in the others because they don't detail what you want.
@sailornaruto39 And what I am saying is what happens after death we will find out and when one of them is true, it will matter, because they ALL demand good character, and when one calls for faith. If one of the religions is right (which I am not saying it will), then I will go to heaven for being a good person, because I live with morals, and it's not what I want, it's what God wants, I research every religion and they all demand the same thing, morality, but Christianity wants faith
@residentevilfreakk55 how does requiring faith effect whether god in general is real?
So you have one unique unprovable feature.
A bunch of people can say they know that there are giant dragons in the sky,but one says something that all the others don't have,that doesn't make him more right, just more creative.And one could argue the lack of morality in someone to be sent to hell for something so minor as not beveling
@sailornaruto39 Because "if" He is real (which He is), and you don't you will be severely punished, and yeah I do, God, this is not even close to what you are saying, this is about how you will be spending the rest of eternity, and it's not that it makes it more right, it gives the person an incentive to believe that that is what is true
@residentevilfreakk55 how can you convince someone of something to be true when you don't have proof?
You say he is real?You just made a claim,now prove it.And for all we know there is a hell for people who didin't believe in something completely different than any other religion.
@sailornaruto39 You don't need proof, you need reason, and I just gave you one, and I don't need to prove it, He proves himself, the trees you see in the morning, the growing grass, the plants, life itself is God's proof, and the thing that tells you this is the Holy Bible, the proof is all around you, it's just your choice to accept or decline it. Really? There is? I don't believe any religious text I have read says it requires "faith" to get into heaven, they are just rules and regulations
"He proves himself, the trees you see in the morning, the growing grass, the plants"
lol that is just an assumption.That in now way proves the bible in another way than the quran.
Or for all we know the world is proof of a bunch of gods who fucked up.U can't monopolize such ambious evidence.When there is no real way to tell them apart,and having an extra rule doesn't disprove them.
@sailornaruto39 no not reason, reasons for believing, and the trees, and grass, those are all his creations, and I am not saying it disproves them, I am saying that if they are true, then I have nothing to worry about because I was a good person with good morals, if atheism is true, then nothing happens at all, but if Christianity is true, then I go to heaven for having faith in Christ, there's no way around it, that is the way to tell them apart
@sailornaruto39 yea it does, it will, because no person has ever come back and been able to record what happened, so you don't know what is going to happen, and when something does happen, we will see who is right
does and will what? disprove the other religions?didn't you say that it doesn't?
" because no person has ever come back and been able to record what happened"
which is why we shouldn't start making shit up
"so you don't know what is going to happen,"
and niether do you,or at least you think you do and you are being delusional. because i have already shown you how everything you are saying makes no sense,and so have many others
@sailornaruto39 no not disprove other religions, gives a reason why atheism is corrupt, and we aren't making shit, we are saving people, this has been around longer than u think, and I know what is going to happen because of all the reasons and terms that atheism or other religions provide which is corrupt, it only makes no sense because you don't want to hear it, and just because more people are becoming atheists doesn't affect the truth in anyway of it
" I know what is going to happen because of all the reasons and terms that atheism or other religions provide which is corrupt, " so basically you are trying to disprove it.
"more people are becoming atheists doesn't affect the truth in anyway of it"
no shit,and a religion that needs faith to get into heaven isn't more right either.
@residentevilfreakk55 "I know what is going to happen because of all the reasons and terms that atheism or other religions provide which is corrupt, "
pointing out the flaws in other doesn't make you right.All religions could be wrong all together,but it is pointless talking,because you have this ability to makes logic leaps.Like i said there is no real way to tell which one is true,you say that xtinity is tru because god wants faith,i say islam is true because it has Muhammad.
@sailornaruto39 it certainly brings us one step closer, so you are a Muslim, what has Muhammed promised you? So there is a man? big deal, how does he promise you eternal life, huh?
@sailornaruto39 no but it gives an incentive to the people to believe in it, being Christianity says that Jesus is the savior of the world and if you don't believe him, then you will be separated for eternity from him in hell.
@residentevilfreakk55 a threat?i think a religion that wants you to be a good person no matter your faith(which xianity isn't the only one) is much better,any god that wants you to believe or hell can suck my balls, and all the sick sycophants who believe he is right for doing it can too.
All you have done is made him morally appalling. You basically want to scare people to believe which is sick.
@sailornaruto39 That doesn't prove or disprove it, now does it? Hmmmm? Because you are one opinion? Scare people, now why would we do that? God made you, He who gave you life, and you mock Him, spit in His face, and you will suffer for it, for lack of faith and blasphemy. You are at an end, I am done, there isn't an argument you can throw that will prove my facts otherwise, you have lost, you will believe my child, either on Earth, or before the Lord, and then you will be the one who fears Him!
@residentevilfreakk55 "" Because "if" He is real (which He is), and you don't you will be severely punished,"
that doesn't prove anything.The problem is that it accepts an unproven position to prove itself, circular reasoning. Typically logic goes as finding facts and then drawing a conclusion,not the other way around.
@residentevilfreakk55 something doesn't have to promise anything to be true.Why does god wanting faith have to do with him being real?How is what you told be disprove all you did was tell me that beliefs are different when they describe the unprovable, if god is possible they it is possible for him to want all sorts of things.
@sailornaruto39 Oh I am not threaten you, but rather helping, it's kind of ironic huh? How I, a Christian, am trying to save you from yourself, but you an atheist, just tell me off, God have mercy on your soul
2.how can you help me when you have no proof for your cause and all you have is "i have no reason to know,i just do".Your reasons and sense of logic are poor.All you have done is say "Hey don't believe in all those other religions because they don't have hell"
3. iam not an atheist
Like i said,that makes your god even,and i have told you that that isn't going to coveince any atheist
since they already don't believe,and on there part it would just be tricking god
@residentevilfreakk55 Did i not message you a link to why your pascal's wager is stupid?
You are basing your reason on a false dicatomy.You act as if your religon is the only possible way,as if it is the only thing i should worry about,when for all i know all religions are wrong and everyone just goes to hell.Or you could be right,but you know what both of them end in hell for me but neither of them have proof.Get it?
How about you become an atheist,because there might be a hell just 4 thiets
@residentevilfreakk55 "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."
"(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire."
so much for being the only religion where atheists/non believers go to hell
@sailornaruto39 um believe in what? You use this as support but you do not know the meaning of it, it does not ask for faith in, faith that he existed?, Of course I believe he existed, besides even if he is right, doesn't make your chances any better, DUMBASS!
It was merely a rebutal to your certainty,i can say you need faith in anything or go to hell,doesn't make that claim anymore true just because hell is behind it.
" You use this as support but you do not know the meaning of it"
uh yes i do,it means yor faith isn't the only 1 that says believe or burn
@residentevilfreakk55 in conclusion your religion is no more right or has any better reason 2 follow bcuz of the threat of hell(tho it isn't the only 1) without faith
you can say hell w/o faith 2 any religion even if they don't say hell
In the end you still have just as much proof as you started...none.You act as if hell from lack of Xrist is the only possible way, it isn't AT ALL there are billions of thing that could be out there that you can go to hell for so why should i focus on just one
@residentevilfreakk55 but i do see that you at least(as deluded as there are)had good intensions.You just need to stop insisting that you are right or know something when all you have is flawed and bad logic filled with un sound reason.
I see the use here of a Kenneth Miller discussion to promote the websites of other evolutionists, so here's a link to Ken Miller's Evolution Page. Actually, you can just type that into your browser and you'll get there. I love the phrase about doing science and how Dawkins sometimes drifts into religion and philosophy. Maybe these two guys should write a book together. Title - Finding Dawkins' God (smile)
aerycksmusic 2 months ago
@halflifeproductionz Careful, Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Personal Credulity.
bayanimills 2 months ago
i'm starting to look at evolution in the theistic sense. No way can all this come from nothing!
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
@halflifeproductionz But God can?
iz2sicc 2 months ago in playlist Mechanisms of Evolution vs Intelligent Design
@iz2sicc where does the new information come from? how did we got from sea creature to land mammals? this new information must be coming from elsewhere.
halflifeproductionz 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz Why are you attributing "information" to a creator? The word "information" is just human language. Without our brains, this "information" doesn't mean anything at all. We are a pattern seeking species thus we are relating human information to the mechanics of nature. There is a fossil of fish to land animal. Tiktaalik. Look it up.
iz2sicc 1 month ago
@iz2sicc again your missing the point. There could be a creator guiding our evolution, he is using natural processes. Why is it that the common ancestor lead to homo sapiens and the other being monkeys and gorillas? the latter is definitely less intelligent than we are.
halflifeproductionz 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz Because our species evolved a more intelligent brain in order to survive. Monkeys and gorillas did not. Answer this one: why did God create such an expansive Universe where, if there are other intelligent life forms, it's nearly impossible to contact each other?
iz2sicc 1 month ago
@iz2sicc well thats interesting because the planet keppler 22b may be an answer to life outside of earth. I think its an even more greater reason for god's existence because we are the only high intelligent species that we know of in the universe. We'd probably find other animals on other planets but i don't think we'd find an intelligent animal like us anywhere else. I could be wrong.
halflifeproductionz 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz For your religion's sake, let's hope if that we ever do make contact with other intelligent life forms, they are also Christian.
iz2sicc 1 month ago
@iz2sicc you sure are an idiot. i never said i was a christian or part of any religion or dogma. I'm more likely a deist.
halflifeproductionz 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz Whatever, religion is religion. Either way, you act like the rest of them. Down to the personal insults. How divine of you.
iz2sicc 1 month ago
@iz2sicc i don't live by any holy book you prick. You don't even provide any answers my questions and instead resort to stupid statements.
halflifeproductionz 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz I answered your questions just fine. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I debate people like you for the fence sitters that might be reading this. You responded to my civil comments with an ad hominem. Insult me all you want, it does not make you right or even logical. I will match your fire with fire though. You call people idiots and pricks just because you don't understand basic science. You believe in a God yet you act worse than someone who doesn't.
iz2sicc 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz You're right though. The overwhelming majority of scientists and the institutions they work under/support are wrong. But you and your creationist friends are right. You do science a gross injustice, but at the same time you reap all the benefits that science provides you. But yea, you're right and they are wrong. God or Gods or ButtFuckFlyingPanda did it all. Evolution is bullshit and invisible 3Titty Monsters are real. Yup, I'm the idiot.
iz2sicc 1 month ago
@iz2sicc hehe, buttfuckflyingpanda, i must start a religion about that.
Sweddude 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz That is the mistake.
truvelocity 1 month ago
@halflifeproductionz nobody says it comes from nothing cockface
gay jesusist
mikesomething 1 month ago
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theory [Gr. "theōria" speculation as opposed to practice] 1. the doctrine or the principles underlying an art as distinguished from the practice of that particular art. 2. a formulated hypothesis or, loosely speaking, any hypothesis or opinion not based upon actual knowledge. (Fr. p. 1,595 of “Dorland's Illustrated Medical Dictionary, Twenty-Fifth Edition,” © 1974 by W.B. Saunders Company)
EasingDifficulties 3 months ago
@daogdaog I wasn't saying that it meant anything. Just that in the mind of evolutionists, the similar look allows dna similarity to say we are related.
semitope 3 months ago
@ScottjwKelly The human genome shows no such thing.... if you are up to date on the latest findings.
semitope 3 months ago
@ScottjwKelly thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee(see i cant cut n paste repeatedly too)
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thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee
SHIFTYJudoka 4 months ago
@ScottjwKelly Again, do you have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor? Human genome does not show proof of human evolution from a chimp-human common ancestor. That is why having "mapped the human genome" is a misleading phrase because there are so many segments in the human genome the biologists dont know yet.
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@daogdaog thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee
SHIFTYJudoka 4 months ago
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@ScottjwKelly Yes I maybe an idiot but I am not like you who acquired your vestigial brain from an apelike common ancestor. Provide solid evidence, Dont bother so much on spelling. Do you have any mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor? Dont be so arrogant to claim that you are so perfect you havent mispelled word in your life. Evolution is not science. It is speculations after speculations.
daogdaog 4 months ago
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Atheism (sans quotation marks) is an impossible position/predicament for sentient Beings. Humans (and alien humanoids) must delude themselves in order to assert that the faculties of men are the be-all & end-all of measure in assessing infinity.
CelestialEmbodiment 4 months ago
If the atheists did not have Ken Miller, we'd have to invent him. He is the most effective agent of atheistic rationality we have. If evolution is true (and it is) you must accept the bible as the book of mythology that it is. Ken Miller kicks out one of the legs of the 3 legged stool that christianity rests upon. And emotionally invested christians will listen to him because is a an "in group" member.
TaylorThaHick 5 months ago
@TaylorThaHick evolution was gods greatest creation, nipples on men explained
SnrSergntNEDDY 4 months ago
@SnrSergntNEDDY You are well on your way to agreeing with me. If evolution is "god's greatest creation", then you summarily reject the Adam and Eve story. You recognize that humans evolved from lower life forms. That means that you accept that the Adam and Eve story is folklore, just like many other texts from that era. You are becoming a Deist - one who believes that God started up the Universe and then left it to run on its own. It's is a start.
TaylorThaHick 4 months ago
@SnrSergntNEDDY One other thing. From reading your other comments, it is apparent you watched "Ken Miller on Intelligent Design" and it had an impact on you. "...sadly yes it is thr, telemeres whr they dont belong show the fusion on chromosome number 2, im not happy about it either but its a fact , our faith has distorted the facts." You should choose to be angry at your preachers, I would be. They told you a lie that suited their purposes of keeping you ignorant. Keep on thinking.
TaylorThaHick 4 months ago
Today's atheistic Darwinists/evolutionists are the high priests of corporate science. They sermonize & pontificate, from lecterns & in clumsily-written tomes, on the "over-population" dilemma and the necessity of, foisting upon a stupefied populace, eugenic measures (sterilants & abortifacients) to curtail growth.
procommenter 5 months ago
@procommenter interesting comment. I wanted to ask you - at what point would it be the right thing to control the earth's population? What about mass pollution and starvation? Or do you want to go back to the "And god gave man dominion over the beasts of the field.." etc. meme? Interested in your response.
TaylorThaHick 5 months ago
@TaylorThaHick : Who would control the population and how?
procommenter 5 months ago
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@TaylorThaHick : Who would control the population and how?
procommenter 5 months ago
Check what basic assumptions biologists make to estimate the divergence dates between humans and neanderthals or humans and chimps. Biologists kept changing divergence dates, meaning they are not sure which common ape-like ancestor if there is any, Read research papers that showed proof using mtDNA that humans did not evolve from chimps or neanderthals.
daogdaog 5 months ago
@daogdaog Cite those papers
TaylorThaHick 5 months ago
@TaylorThaHick Read Krings et al research.
daogdaog 5 months ago
@daogdaog What are you ON about? Of COURSE we didn't evolve from chimps..! Or neanderthal men, for that matter (despite apparently deriving some interesting influence from genetic interactions with their populations, back when our ancestors lived side-by-side with them).
icygood101 4 months ago
@daogdaog
Oh, so you don't even know that NOBODY claims that we evolved from chimps or neanderthals (which is very basic), but you feel you need to teach us something.
Great.
lardhat 3 months ago
@lardhat There was a claim by evolutionary experts before Krings et al studies that humans evolved from chimps. The point is that if humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, gorillas and orangutans based on mtDNA evidence and that there is no fossil or mtDNA evidence for a common chimp-human common ancestor, it is likely that humans did not evolve from apelike common ancestor. A common ancestor is a speculative concept based on rate of mtDNA mutation which is not fully understood yet.
daogdaog 3 months ago
@daogdaog doesn't matter what the evidence says. Evolution must be true and since apes look more like us that any other animal, we must be related in the evolutionists mind. THe theory does not so much look at the details in the evidence as it looks at broader comparisons then uses evidence, that could go any way, to say its right.
semitope 3 months ago
@semitope Your theory that apes and humans look similar so they must be related. Why is it that wasps and fruit flies look very similar yet they are not related? A worm has 75 percent identical DNA compared to human DNA, can you say that a worm is just a small portion into becoming a human?
daogdaog 3 months ago
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Ken miller argument about chromosomes is wrong. The number of chromosomes will not determine whether a creature will end up a human or a chimp. It is the sequence of code in the DNA strand that matters. It has been proven using mtDNA that humans did not evolve from apes or neanderthals. There is no mtDNA evidence linking humans to the so called ape-like common ancestor.
daogdaog 5 months ago
@daogdaog You can keep believing that fairy tale if you want, but dont be so arrogant to think that you know more than the experts. Evolution is a fact and we did evolve from apes.
MrKGatl 5 months ago
@daogdaog Modern apes (including us) most definitely have a primate common ancestor. How can you be so thoroughly confused on a biological issue as clear as evolution??
icygood101 4 months ago
@icygood101 mtDNA evidence showed that humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, orangutans or gorillas. There is no mtDNA evidence extracted from a ape-like common ancestor, meaning, a common ancestor is just speculation. As clear as evolution? You better watch youtube "goats in a tree" so that you will know that four legged short necked animals had no need to evolve into a giraffe to reach higher vegetation.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog Oh, I won't bother..
icygood101 4 months ago
@icygood101 Dont bother to reply because evolution is not clear to you after knowing that four legged short necked animals had no need to evolve into a giraffe to reach higher vegetation. Had Darwin watched youtube "goats in a tree". He would probably not write the "origin of species", the book that never explained the origin of species.
daogdaog 4 months ago
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@daogdaog If you didn't want me to bother you shouldn't have said anything, never mind made such ridiculous claims. Respond to me on your channel. I hope you can find the strength
icygood101 4 months ago
@daogdaog gd thing dawkins finished it for him in the greatest show on earth
SnrSergntNEDDY 4 months ago
@SnrSergntNEDDY Dawkins knew that there is no direct evidence like mtDNA for a chimp-human common ancestor. All he is interested in is sell books. If you happened to buy his books you been had.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog whole genome sequencing shows a we have 2 fewer chromsomes, monkeys have 24 pairs did we lose sum in our lineage? did the ancestor have 48 or 46? one pair of chromosomes must have become fused, and when u observe our genome sadly yes it is thr, telemeres whr they dont belong show the fusion on chromosome number 2, im not happy about it either but its a fact , our faith has distorted the facts, the truth is evolution is real
and it was gods greatest creation
SnrSergntNEDDY 4 months ago
@SnrSergntNEDDY Fused chromosome is just an speculation. There are 150,000 base pairs of sequence not found in chimpanzee chromosomes 2A and 2B. If those base pairs were lost in time, that would be another speculation. There is no mtDNA evidence extracted from a ape-like common ancestor. This has nothing to do with faith. These are scientific facts.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog at one point down the homonid path we branched off from one and other, im sure people like u wuld love to fuck monkeys but it didnt happen like that
SnrSergntNEDDY 4 months ago 3
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@SnrSergntNEDDY Human and chimp branched off is just a pigment of imagination of your vestigial brain. It did not happen. Where is that ape like common ancestor? Do you have any mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor? If you intend to get intimate with apes, forget it. It would be an insult to apes.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog pigment is a color you meant "figment" an invention or fabrication of your imagination is the euphemism,
you showed your level of intelligence, not worth further comment
SnrSergntNEDDY 4 months ago 3
@SnrSergntNEDDY You dont have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor, so you look for spelling mistakes. You must not have mispelled a word once in your life.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog trying to sound clever yet looking like a total idiot well done "pigment" LMFAO loser go back to school(bibe school) evidence of the lower intelligence common amoungst the religious, low brain power is the reason you swallow the fairytale of the bible
keliangarcia 4 months ago 8
@keliangarcia You dont have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like common ancestor, so you look for spelling mistakes. You must not have mispelled a word once in your life. Dont be so arrogant to consider yourself perfect. This is not a spelling quiz.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog thr is a mountain of mtDNA confirming it you moron what are you talking about? do you even know what mitochondrial DNA is, or is used for? Phylogenetics is about the measurement of evolutionary relationships between species its gives the difference between Human and chimpanzee is 1.6 when the difference between Chimpanzee and gorilla is 2.3 ,that makes us closer to chimpanzees than a gorilla is to a chimpanzee,
666Sanshou 4 months ago 3
@666Sanshou I was asking if you have any solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an ape-like chimp-human common ancestor. How can you extract mtDNA from a common ancestor which is yet to be found? The only mtDNA evidence we have so far is that humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, gorillas or orangutans. (Studeis by Krings et al) The common ancestor is just an speculation based on the rate of mutation of mtDNA which is not fully understood by biologists.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog as sum1 already pointed out its not a spelling mistake its misquoting because your vocabulary is so lacking you failed to register the correct word for the saying, if you had sufficient language skills you would know the difference between figment and pigment, just let it go you are in way over your head, you used the word vestigial which is the negative effect evolution has had on biological function in an argument against evolution...........try using a dictionary or ask for help
keliangarcia 4 months ago 10
@keliangarcia Why are you making this as spelling quiz? I have read so many evolutionists comments here much worse than my comments with terrible spelling and grammatical errors, but it is okay because the discussion here is about evolution not spelling. Dont tell me you have not mispelled a word once in your life. Does it make you an idiot? Again, provide a solid evidence like mtDNA extracted from an apelike ommon ancestor if you have any.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog as already stated it was not a spelling mistake, you used the complete wrong word because you were using a phrase that contained words you didnt understand the definition of, further more you said "Vestigial" which is by definition an effect of evolution, so using the word vestigial if you knew what it meant, implies you accept the truth of evolution, its about as stupid as "there is no such thing as God and i pray you realise this"
keliangarcia 4 months ago
@daogdaog Your vocabulary is too poor to use as a tool to insult people, You used two words in one insult that in context were completely wrong, Vestigial=result of evolution(look it up) so using the word to argue against Evolution is a contradiction(look it up)or oxymoron, nobody would pull you up about spelling but when you go insulting people trying to sound educated you ask for scrutiny, you failed miserably.
LinguisticsMajor99 4 months ago
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@LinguisticsMajor99 There is no solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an apelike common chimps-humans ancestor. However, there is a solid mtDNA evidence that humans did not evolve from chimps, neanderthals, gorillas or orangutans (Krings et al). An ape like common ancestor is just a speculation based on rate of mtDNA mutations which is not fully understood yet.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog give up and go home already kelian&scott have owned you on every comment, just let it go and find some people with a similar low level of brain function to debate your outdated foolishness with
SHIFTYJudoka 4 months ago
@SHIFTYJudoka This a typical comment of evolutionists who cannot provide a solid mtDNA evidence extracted from an apelike common ancestor. Which one is the common ancestor of chimps and humans? Why do biologists have so many branch off dates for chimp-human common ancestor? They kept on pushing back divergence dates. An ape like common ancestor is just a speculation based on rate of mtDNA mutations which is not fully understood yet. I dont expect you to understand that.
daogdaog 4 months ago
@daogdaog what is understood is there is more of a match to humans to chimp, than chimp to gorilla if you cannot connect those dots that is your failure.
666Sanshou 4 months ago
All theists and atheists alike should behave and respect one another the way dawkins and miller do. It is not the end of the world if someone disagrees with you.
chuckwagon1645 6 months ago
The world would be a 1000x better if all religious people were like this guy....mad respect
ShaneTheShinigami 6 months ago
how can kenneth miller be religous and scientific? How can you have faith when your professiosion runs on evidence?
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 because the evidence in a deity is impossible to find, it is out of our sight of existence, that's why we have faith, just because it is possible that we evolved from apes doesn't disprove the fact that God exists, now as a Catholic myself, I don't believe evolution is true, I just highly doubt it happened, if it did, it did, but I don't let it get in the way of my faith in Christ
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 ..... ummm if it is unprovable and not even knowable why bother with it?You can't tell it apart from nothing so in a pratical sense it kinda isn't there.It is unknowable whether we are all just the setient dream of so deity.but in all practicallty it is a useless notion,because as beings of reasons who don't bother with things we shouldn't bother with things that we know can't be proved or tested ever.It is wasting time cherry picking.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 proving that a deity is impossible, because it is out of our realm, no one can physically point that out, that's why we have faith and when we die we will see him in the afterlife, no one can use practical thinking about after death because no one has been able to record what happens after death, and its not cherry picking, you can prove what happened on Earth, not what happens afterwards, no one can
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 ....ok and? does my last comment not still stand?that it is a pointless postition and cherry picking?How can we even say anything when we don't even know if it exists,that is an argument by definition and not very good at that.
"its not cherry picking," yes it is,when you start choosing baselessly on how you believe things, why are you a catholic and not muslim?You are making claims of the unkowable,which contradicts itself.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 We say that we know it exists, we "believe" it exists, I am not a Muslim because I BELIEVE that the Quran is a corrupt book, its not baselessly, and the only argument, is that if you choose to believe that Christ died for your sins, you will be granted eternal life, and if you don't, you will be separated from him for eternity
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 oh wow so you are one of those people and we all know the bible is full of nothing but good things.See, you contradict yourself, you say god can't be proven(the fundemental premise to religion) yet you say it isn't baseless? You know the quran and the bible aren't the holly books in the world,there are many choices.If you can't prove something why bother telling me it?\
"and the only argument,"
that isn't an argument
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 it isn't baseless, the Bible is the base of Christianity, It is the number 1 best-seller book of all time, and even though there are many other choices, that doesn't make them right, it is on faith, he believes that this will happen, you can't prove that God doesn't exists, do maybe that's my reason for telling you.
And what argument?
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 seriously?
you just made like 3 fallcies there, chritanity is baseless because it is based on a baseless book.You can't disprove islamic god so that must mean it is logical to believe in it.The bible isn't any more right because alot of people believe it
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 ah but there is a difference, the christian God requires you to have faith in his son, the islamic religion doesn't require any but just to be a good person, I have a faith and am a good person, i don't think i have anything else to worry about :)
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 that is exactly my point and if that is so your god is arrogant.You are proving every point i made,you are just cherry picking, both gods are just as unprovable yet you favor one with no real credible method of dicerning it as the truth.What exactly does this have to do with my initial point? If anything all you have done is shown me that religion and science are opposites in practice.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 what exactly does that have to do with disproving the Islamic god!?!?!
All you have basically done is go "he doesn't have thing i like theretofore he isn't true"
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 what it is doing is exactly proving my point that the islamic god is a fallacy, its not the thing I like, its the thing God wants, the Christian one to be exact, all the islamic god is for us to be good people, you tell me which one sounds more realistic
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 are you fucking stupid?Iam sorry i meant to ask earlier but it is really mean,but i see it is necessary.
How does what they ask for effect them being real?
How do you know what god really wants?
How is the islamic god a fallacy? any particular one?
"you tell me which one sounds more realistic"
i would say the islamic one,since that fits the whole omnibelevolent thing.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 how exactly is god in general a realistic premise?
You aren't making sense you believe the world was made in a week yet have a problem with a god who lacks an arrgoant attribute?
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 I believe that God could have made the Earth in 30 seconds, it doesn't matter, he is out of our sight of existence, so we have faith, there are people who have written these things down in the Bible, you don't believe because its not right in front of your face right now, but He will
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 if you aren't going to give me something that has tangent is some way and not give me an argument refuted by many others i would like to see it.
We can't see god yet you claim another isn't real because he is a little different?
All you are doing is repeating the same thing over and over, and proving my point.
Away with you
.....no offense.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 really iam sorry for the insults,i can be so sensitive.But seriously, most of what you told me doesn't makes sense.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 We all have our opinions, if you want an explanation on why the 2.1 billion of us believe in Him then I would gladly explain.
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 from what i have observed it is the same erroneous reasons as you.But please do tell.And just to let you know, the whole world could believe him,wouldn't effect if he is true or not.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 it doesn't matter how much of the population believes in Him, it doesnt affect whether what is true, it just shows how much of the world has opened their eyes, It is ridiculous to believe that nothing created everything, that is my reason, the big bang is mere speculation for the atheists because they have nothing else against the fact that God created the Earth and besides even if your right and there is no God, then nothing happens, but if im right, the non-believers go to hell
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 " it just shows how much of the world has opened their eyes"
no it doesn't, it just shows scientific illiteracy.If it doesn't effect how true it is what does it matter that they "eyes are open"
" It is ridiculous to believe that nothing created everything, that is my reason,"
yet a floating being in the sky makes more sense?
" the big bang is mere speculation"
and god isn't?
from what i have come to understand that isn't the case
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 They look at the available evidence and draw conclusions from that.Now i don't know much about the big bang, you would need alot to know,unlike many people i avoid talking about things i don't know of.
OMG i just knew you would bring the fallacious reasoning.
Dead lord even pascal's wager?I knew you had nothing good to offer.If you believe just to avoid hell then wouldn't god know?Then you aren't really believing
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 that's the only thing that there is to offer, I don't just believe to avoid hell, I would even if hell didn't exist, believing to avoid hell is just an incentive that i give atheists, so im on their level on the conversion at hand, either you go to heaven or you go to hell, but in your mind, we all cease to exists, isn't that what everyone cares, what happens at the end?
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 ... my argument still applies
go would be like "uh uh uh, oh no you don't self deluding yourself to think you believe"
believing for the sake of trying not to get into hell is an attempt to trick something you don't believe in.
Why don't you do the same for all the other religion and denominations?
Or why don't you conceive them to dress up as monsters for haloween?
I
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Theres the only differences, if you look at all the religions, their terms for getting into heaven includes nothing more than being a good person with good character, no not to trick, but to save those who are blinded by everything else, all the denominations of Christianity all fall under the same thing which is "No one enters God's kingdom, but through me", i realize this may not be evidence but the opinion of the Christian people, Pascal's wagner supports that rule
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 As i have told you it doesn't matter what the other religions says.You can't judge them to be anymore true than yours when both of you have no proof.DO you not understand this?
"Pascal's wagner supports that rule"
so why would an atheist bother with it?Why don't you say that to the other religions?
And yes it is trying to trick him simply believing out of a what if.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 and seriously? are so brain dead/washed to have a problem with only being a good person?Why would god send a good person to hell for something as minor as not believing in him when he designed us to be smart and have logic?
How is a god only wanting you to be a good person in anyways disprove that such a god exists?
Honestly your logic is appalling you're gonna make you curse you out again XD
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 you make hell seem like it is always burning in flames, hell merely means separation from His kingdom and from Him, the burning in hell is for the non-believers who have truly hardened their hearts, although he did designed us, we sinned, and now we are imperfect, all humans. It proves that if those religons are true, which their not, then we being good Christians wouldn't suffer for our faiths, my logic supports every corner of controversy in the topic of religion, yours differs
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
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@residentevilfreakk55 ". It proves that if those religons are true, which their not, then we being good Christians wouldn't suffer for our faiths"
Ok...how does that disprove them?they simply means they entail something else.
Ok now you are being silly"they aren't true"
You admit that there is no proof of god so you know this how?
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 forget it the mere fact you find validity in what you just says tell me you are in fact and idiot and that iam not going to be nice about it anymore.All you have done is prove my point that science and religion by principle are opposite,in practice.
What you have details to me is that you have confirmation bias.Just because other gods ask for something that yours does't makes them untrue?No it doesn't they are just asking something different.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 now now, we don't have to resort to name-calling like a childish kid, science has no proof that God doesn't exist, so this isn't a science related topic, science is what is on this life, religion is what's on the next life, which science has so far proven nothing.
And what I am saying is that if they are true, then I do not suffer for believing in a differ cause, but in Christianity, I do, so Im an idiot for having an opinion? Believing in a certain cause?
You are doing the same
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 "science has no proof that God doesn't exist, so this isn't a science related topic,"
that is my point,that this is non scientific,and lack of proof means nothing, it isn't even worth mentioning so don't.
"so far proven nothing"
neither religion,they are purely speculations
"so Im an idiot for having an opinion? Believing in a certain cause?"
to an extent yes,if the opinion is based on bad reasoning
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 I am well aware that religion is a non-scientific topic, it is out of THIS life, so we don't know what will happen, Miller has been teaching topics that are in THIS life,
Although both religion and science prove nothing in this life, about the next life, science provides nothing in the next life, while religion does.
Then your an idiot, we already talked about there isn't any reasoning for there NOT being a life after this one, and science has no consequence but religion does
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 " while religion does." yeah nothing but guesses and baseless speculation,
" there isn't any reasoning for there NOT being a life after this one"
while there is no disprove when it comes to logic depending on disproof is not a valid way of coming to know thing.There might not be any reason for it not to exist,but there is a reason to not bother with the belief. We can't tell it a part from nothing
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 "and science has no consequence but religion does"
stop with the pascal's wager,it is purely a what if and has no way of being understood to be true drop it already.You realize that science and religion are opposites Kenneth doesn't..... which is exactly why i asked the original comment you wasted time bothering me with the same old CRAP that has been refuted so many times.You have only proved my point.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 "And what I am saying is that if they are true"
such a what if has no argumentative or persuasive value.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 so going to hell isn't persuasive?
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 no not really,not when there isn't any proof.You can just as well threaten someone with any old crap you can pull out of your ass.Why don't you tell people to dress up for Halloween to protect them from the spirits?Maybe they will get them in the afterlife.Why do you feel your religion is so right that you feel your hell is anymore persuasive as any other religions hell?Why would you expect something that we aren't naturally aware of to persuade anyone?
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 okay are you just going to repeat the same things we already talked about because im just wasting my time then. You can't compare things like Halloween, which is in THIS life, and hell which is in the NEXT life.
Because every other religion's hell is about being a horrible person and we live in Christian values which I believe are all very moral. And many people are aware of hell, 99% of the world knows, religion will NEVER be wiped off this planet
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 ". You can't compare things like Halloween, which is in THIS life, and hell which is in the NEXT life."
my example is relevant to the after life,yes i can
"Because every other religion's hell is about being a horrible person"
that doesn't disprove anything,you have no disproof saying that isn't what they want.
All you are doing is using confirmation bias to disprove other gods.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 this is why you are an idiot.How does other gods wanting something different disprove them to exist?Can they not exist and just want people to be a good person?what they want has no effect on whether they exist or not.
" hell is about being a horrible person" and that is all it should be about.
Unless if you can explain how a god wanting something different disproves them don't answer me because u have demonstrated to be an idiot.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 and this is why YOUR an idiot, because your so thin-headed, you don't grasp what I am saying, "If they are true" then I never needed faith, that doesn't I get punished for it. Although it has no effect, they still don't talk about punishment for having faith in another.
No hell is about no having faith, and that is how it's about
I told you, we find out when we die, it doesn't disprove anything, believing in Jesus provides a way to heaven, not other religions so, it sticks out
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 ""If they are true" then I never needed faith, that doesn't I get punished for it."
yes!!!! exactly!!! If they are true you are fine.
" they still don't talk about punishment for having faith in another."
they don't have to, for all we know god doesn't care what faith you are
"hell is about no having faith"
as defined by your religion,doesn't make it true objectively.
You you don't have any proof you have no right to assert you are right.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 but they aren't true and Christianity is right, then you go to hell for having not believing in Christ,
In Christianity, yeah he does, that's your ticket to eternal life
I don't assert that I'm right, I KNOW I am right, I only say "if" because I have to use terms that you will understand. I'm going to say it for the last time, THERE IS NO PROOF, you can cut proof out of this conversion, its about what happens after this life
But "if" it is true, then you will go to hell.
I
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 you KNOW you are right? how did you come to decide that?How can you know something with out proof?That explains why you think other religion.
" Christianity is right,"
"I don't assert that I'm right, I KNOW I am right,"
that is asserting dumbass.
How can you claim to know something you put in the unknowable world i.e
" it is out of our sight of existence"
oh yeah faith.Never mind you really did waste my time with your arrogant dribble.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Um no asserting is when you think something, I KNOW this, I am 100% sure, I am not wasting your time, you are wasting mine, I tried to help you but your arrogance has proven otherwise, atheism promises nothing, Christianity promises EVERYTHING, Kenneth R. Miller is a brilliant man, so this video isn't really for you
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 assert:To state or express positively
" I tried to help you but your arrogance has proven otherwise"
Uh no you just gave me bad proof all you have basically done is "i just know,i have no proof but i just know"
that has no persuasive merit at all.The other religions say they same thing.
" atheism promises nothing, Christianity promises EVERYTHING"
what they promise doesn't effect whether they are true or not.Other religions have better promises with better conditions
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 " I KNOW this, I am 100% sure"
how and why? If he is in the unknowable realm there is nothing to tell him a part from nothing.And he is just that, unknowable.My original question was how can he say religion and science and able to work together,all you did was basically tell me that they don't.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 they don't work together, but a rational person can use science in his current life, and religion in the afterlife
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 ok,that doesn't explain how you KNOW god is real 100%
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 I know 100% because all these reasons lead up to my opinion,
Atheism: Nothing will happen
Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc: Being a good person gets you into heaven
Christianity: Having faith grants you eternal life.
I know what the stakes are, and that doesn't mean the stakes pressure me into believing or practicing this religion, I praise because I choose to, the proof is not within your vision, but when you die, you will see Him, and you will believe my child that's how i know
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 like i said,what they promise has nothing to do with them actually being true, i can make something up.But what the premise is is irrelevant to practical objectivity.
Why is being nothing but a good person such a deterant from believing other religions?
That doesn't make any sense.What if one of the religions are right?
Like i said,that is confirmation bias,you don't believe in the others because they don't detail what you want.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 And what I am saying is what happens after death we will find out and when one of them is true, it will matter, because they ALL demand good character, and when one calls for faith. If one of the religions is right (which I am not saying it will), then I will go to heaven for being a good person, because I live with morals, and it's not what I want, it's what God wants, I research every religion and they all demand the same thing, morality, but Christianity wants faith
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 how does requiring faith effect whether god in general is real?
So you have one unique unprovable feature.
A bunch of people can say they know that there are giant dragons in the sky,but one says something that all the others don't have,that doesn't make him more right, just more creative.And one could argue the lack of morality in someone to be sent to hell for something so minor as not beveling
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Because "if" He is real (which He is), and you don't you will be severely punished, and yeah I do, God, this is not even close to what you are saying, this is about how you will be spending the rest of eternity, and it's not that it makes it more right, it gives the person an incentive to believe that that is what is true
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 how can you convince someone of something to be true when you don't have proof?
You say he is real?You just made a claim,now prove it.And for all we know there is a hell for people who didin't believe in something completely different than any other religion.
You basically just did a big non sequitir.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 You don't need proof, you need reason, and I just gave you one, and I don't need to prove it, He proves himself, the trees you see in the morning, the growing grass, the plants, life itself is God's proof, and the thing that tells you this is the Holy Bible, the proof is all around you, it's just your choice to accept or decline it. Really? There is? I don't believe any religious text I have read says it requires "faith" to get into heaven, they are just rules and regulations
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 "You don't need proof, you need reason"
how can you have reason without proof?
"He proves himself, the trees you see in the morning, the growing grass, the plants"
lol that is just an assumption.That in now way proves the bible in another way than the quran.
Or for all we know the world is proof of a bunch of gods who fucked up.U can't monopolize such ambious evidence.When there is no real way to tell them apart,and having an extra rule doesn't disprove them.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 no not reason, reasons for believing, and the trees, and grass, those are all his creations, and I am not saying it disproves them, I am saying that if they are true, then I have nothing to worry about because I was a good person with good morals, if atheism is true, then nothing happens at all, but if Christianity is true, then I go to heaven for having faith in Christ, there's no way around it, that is the way to tell them apart
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 " I am not saying it disproves them"
liar!!! i asked you how can you tell the religions as true or not and then you brought that up.
" I am saying that if they are true, then I have nothing to worry about because I was a good person with good morals"
you know they have a diffident criteria for a good person? so maybe not.
Besides,that is my point they are all just as baseless and unprovable.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 and as have told you before that argument has no validity,freaking look it up on youtube.STOP USING IT.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 yea it does, it will, because no person has ever come back and been able to record what happened, so you don't know what is going to happen, and when something does happen, we will see who is right
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 "yea it does, it will,"
does and will what? disprove the other religions?didn't you say that it doesn't?
" because no person has ever come back and been able to record what happened"
which is why we shouldn't start making shit up
"so you don't know what is going to happen,"
and niether do you,or at least you think you do and you are being delusional. because i have already shown you how everything you are saying makes no sense,and so have many others
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 no not disprove other religions, gives a reason why atheism is corrupt, and we aren't making shit, we are saving people, this has been around longer than u think, and I know what is going to happen because of all the reasons and terms that atheism or other religions provide which is corrupt, it only makes no sense because you don't want to hear it, and just because more people are becoming atheists doesn't affect the truth in anyway of it
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
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@residentevilfreakk55 " why atheism is corrupt" how so? atheism asks of nothing
" I know what is going to happen because of all the reasons and terms that atheism or other religions provide which is corrupt, " so basically you are trying to disprove it.
"more people are becoming atheists doesn't affect the truth in anyway of it"
no shit,and a religion that needs faith to get into heaven isn't more right either.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 "I know what is going to happen because of all the reasons and terms that atheism or other religions provide which is corrupt, "
pointing out the flaws in other doesn't make you right.All religions could be wrong all together,but it is pointless talking,because you have this ability to makes logic leaps.Like i said there is no real way to tell which one is true,you say that xtinity is tru because god wants faith,i say islam is true because it has Muhammad.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 it certainly brings us one step closer, so you are a Muslim, what has Muhammed promised you? So there is a man? big deal, how does he promise you eternal life, huh?
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 the point of what i was saying is that saying something unique about a religion doesn't it make it more true.
Xtinity isn't more true cuase of jeseu and islam isn't more true because of muhammad
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 no but it gives an incentive to the people to believe in it, being Christianity says that Jesus is the savior of the world and if you don't believe him, then you will be separated for eternity from him in hell.
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 a threat?i think a religion that wants you to be a good person no matter your faith(which xianity isn't the only one) is much better,any god that wants you to believe or hell can suck my balls, and all the sick sycophants who believe he is right for doing it can too.
All you have done is made him morally appalling. You basically want to scare people to believe which is sick.
Like celo green said "FUCK YOU!"
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 That doesn't prove or disprove it, now does it? Hmmmm? Because you are one opinion? Scare people, now why would we do that? God made you, He who gave you life, and you mock Him, spit in His face, and you will suffer for it, for lack of faith and blasphemy. You are at an end, I am done, there isn't an argument you can throw that will prove my facts otherwise, you have lost, you will believe my child, either on Earth, or before the Lord, and then you will be the one who fears Him!
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
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@residentevilfreakk55 "" Because "if" He is real (which He is), and you don't you will be severely punished,"
that doesn't prove anything.The problem is that it accepts an unproven position to prove itself, circular reasoning. Typically logic goes as finding facts and then drawing a conclusion,not the other way around.
You use a conclusion to prove a conclusion.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 something doesn't have to promise anything to be true.Why does god wanting faith have to do with him being real?How is what you told be disprove all you did was tell me that beliefs are different when they describe the unprovable, if god is possible they it is possible for him to want all sorts of things.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 and like Jesus said: Father, please forgive them (you)
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 fuck you sycophant,how dare you threaten me?
go away
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 Oh I am not threaten you, but rather helping, it's kind of ironic huh? How I, a Christian, am trying to save you from yourself, but you an atheist, just tell me off, God have mercy on your soul
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 1.fuck you
2.how can you help me when you have no proof for your cause and all you have is "i have no reason to know,i just do".Your reasons and sense of logic are poor.All you have done is say "Hey don't believe in all those other religions because they don't have hell"
3. iam not an atheist
Like i said,that makes your god even,and i have told you that that isn't going to coveince any atheist
since they already don't believe,and on there part it would just be tricking god
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 Did i not message you a link to why your pascal's wager is stupid?
You are basing your reason on a false dicatomy.You act as if your religon is the only possible way,as if it is the only thing i should worry about,when for all i know all religions are wrong and everyone just goes to hell.Or you could be right,but you know what both of them end in hell for me but neither of them have proof.Get it?
How about you become an atheist,because there might be a hell just 4 thiets
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."
"(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire."
so much for being the only religion where atheists/non believers go to hell
again DUMBASS
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 nice channel though
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@sailornaruto39 um believe in what? You use this as support but you do not know the meaning of it, it does not ask for faith in, faith that he existed?, Of course I believe he existed, besides even if he is right, doesn't make your chances any better, DUMBASS!
residentevilfreakk55 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 " it does not ask for faith in, faith that he existed?"
doesn't matter
"doesn't make your chances any better"
no shit,so vise versa you too.
It was merely a rebutal to your certainty,i can say you need faith in anything or go to hell,doesn't make that claim anymore true just because hell is behind it.
" You use this as support but you do not know the meaning of it"
uh yes i do,it means yor faith isn't the only 1 that says believe or burn
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 in conclusion your religion is no more right or has any better reason 2 follow bcuz of the threat of hell(tho it isn't the only 1) without faith
you can say hell w/o faith 2 any religion even if they don't say hell
In the end you still have just as much proof as you started...none.You act as if hell from lack of Xrist is the only possible way, it isn't AT ALL there are billions of thing that could be out there that you can go to hell for so why should i focus on just one
sailornaruto39 6 months ago
@residentevilfreakk55 but i do see that you at least(as deluded as there are)had good intensions.You just need to stop insisting that you are right or know something when all you have is flawed and bad logic filled with un sound reason.
sailornaruto39 6 months ago