To all those under the delusion that God's wrath is not real and that damnation and eternal punishment for rejecting God does not exist and is against the "simple truths" of the Bible, answer yourselves this question.
Why did Jesus Christ, the very Son of God himself, proclaim the reality of God's wrath and the extreme danger of Hell to a much greater extend than he proclaimed God's love and mercy. For God's mercy to be mercy, there must be something he is giving us mercy from.
Merry Christmas to all, Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards Men (mankind)
I would like to point out that this sermon to me is a description of a type of psycosis. Indeed, I would not doubt that Jonathan Edwards was drunk when he wrote it. This man had a lot nerve, he has my respect.
This is SUCH B.S.!!!! Jesus is the perfect representation of Our Father and look like he acted around people! He loved them all and accepted them as they are! That is the Heart of Our Father!.... You guys listen to Jonathen Edwards but forgot what Jesus said... That the father gave him all the power to Judge but, that He didn't come to Judge anyone! Thats JESUS saying it! GOD IS LOVE! and He Loved The Whole World! and LOVES EVERYONE! so stop believing this B.S.!! Grace and Love is What GOD is!
Also, if people decide to live their meager years on earth without God, then eternity for them should be no problem, since many sinners laugh and mock at Hell and its existence. If He is willing to accept those who have accepted His Son's death on the cross, then the opposite should have an equal conclusion. If eternity in heaven is my reward through His death, resurrection and Blood, then sinners denial are their demise and desire. It isn't His choice, it's theirs.
The problem with modern Christianity is that we defend the crazy ideology that punishment without end is justified. There are several people who only come into contact with spiteful, hateful Christians and want nothing to do with Christ because of that. They mock our beliefs in part because they simply don't believe, but in part because they've probably dealt with people who shout condemnation when they themselves are guilty of the very things they criticize the sinner for doing.
I believe we all will be judged according to our works. But because i believe we will be judged according to our works, I think it would be disgusting if God was to torture that person forever. What did God say about punishment in the Old Testament? It was so the Israelites would learn. It was not for His pleasure but so that they would turn back to Him. Every time he sent punishment their way, He always promised to restore them later in the future.
There is also the question of what happens to people who never have a chance to hear of Christ or God, or who have only heard of a warped version of Christ? Do they go to Gehenna fire because they never believed, even though they never had a chance to know about Christ? I don't see a just or loving God doing that. I believe God is above that. Jesus said he would draw up all men to him. I think we still have to decide whether or not we accept Christ, so why do we limit God's grace to now?
Would you want someone in your house who doesn't believe in you, degrades your existence, or deny your own son? Also, where does the devil go? Does he get another pass into heaven? I won't understand how God would allow sinners to go unpunished while blessing His children in the same manner. There is no repentance, no change, no love for the Savior. If God allows all into heaven, regardless of behavior, Jesus died in vain. It was all worthless...
Finally, I think Christ forgave everyone already. But we still have to come to Him to accept that gift.
What was it that Christ said on the cross when those people you just described were crucifying him? "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." To the people that were degrading him the most, he forgave them. I don't see the blood thirsty God in this verse.
I could be wrong about God, but I believe His grace extends forever.
So, to your original question, would I want someone in my house who had defiled who I was and my family? Probably not. Then again, I'm not God. I wouldn't send my son into a foreign land to be ridiculed and beaten and crucified for the good of those people. I couldn't bare such a loss. I wouldn't be able to give up that which I love the most for those that hate me the most. God did though.
@sapnyosentry I'm glad you seem to bear a sense of humility, but I encourage you to read the Bible for yourself instead of what corrupt humans have done to make it easier to swallow. Truth is truth, and cannot be negated no matter what perverted theological gymnastics you use. There are people burning right now in perpetual misery, and it boils my blood when a professing Christian insults the price Christ paid on the cross by denying Hell. Go to spiritlessons(.)com Listen to the Hell testimonies
This is interesting. Your first message told me to repent or perish. How can I perish if I'm burning forever? That must mean I am indestructible in someway, whether it be body or soul or spirit. How does that work?
Another question. Hell is a place of fire, right? So why is Hell thrown into a lake of fire in Revelation 20?
Fire + fire = fire. What's the point of God doing that? Its like saying I'll kill you to death. Its redundantly redundant. What does this mean?
@sapnyosentry If you listen to the testimonies they tell you when you get to Hell you receive a body of death. You are tortured forever and yet you are not consumed. Jesus said you will either enter into the resurrection of life or the resurrection of damnation. Everyone will life forever, the question is where. Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire after the final judgment takes place. Hell is like a temporary holding place until then. Basically, the Lake of Fire will be worse.
@sapnyosentry Hell is not the lake of fire. Hell is a place containing the fire. You invite me over to your house to eat. If we eat at your dining room table do'nt we still eat at your house? When a person burns in Hell they are burning in the lake of fire inside Hell.
Continue what? Its been incredibly one sided so far. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, I still believe in God and Christ. I don't see how a just God could punish someone without end. I never said there won't be punishment, but I think its crazy to believe God would do it forever. Was forever and eternal translated correctly? That's the biggest question. Was punishment translated correctly? Do we understand these words as they were meant to be understood?
Considering Jesus preached on Hell twice as much as Heaven, it looks like even the Son of God found more necessity on the wards of Hell than the blessings of Heaven.
Another misconception. How many times when speaking of 'hell' was the word really something else? In particular, how many times was it really hades or gehenna(gehenna fire)? Of the 15 times Jesus uses the word hell, 11 of those times translate to Gehenna (also known as the place used as a body dump for burning dead corpses), and 4 of those times translate to Hades, which is to say, the place of the dead; the grave.
If you want to get technical, Jesus never spoke of hell as we know it.
Let's look at the KJV since it uses hell the most out of any English translation.
In the KJV, heaven is used 691 times in the entire Bible. Hell is used 54 times. Jesus speaks of heaven 121 times and speaks of hell 15 times. Interestingly enough, the gospel that caries our fundamental doctrine of salvation, the gospel of John, chapter 3 verse 16, doesn't even used the word hell in the entire book. Think about that for a second.
So again, why are we so focused on hell when the writers of the new testament and especially the old testament weren't focused on it nearly as much? As I said, heaven is used 691 times, hell is used 54 times in the KJV, and that's the version that has hell in it the most. Some versions that are coming out now don't have hell in it period. You'll see gehenna or sheol or hades or tartarus instead. So again, why are we focused so much on hell? Its not there.
Obvious you are like any who study the Bible to debunk it. Feel free.
Considering the new version are so watered down to prevent certain "Christians" from feeling convicted, those versions/translations wouldn't do any good in the end.
There is proof but you would find ways to deny it, anyway.
Actually, I am a Christian. I was raised in the Southern Baptist convention. I believed the KJV to be the correct translation into English for 14 years. However, you needn't look hard into the KJV to see how goofy some of the translations are. For example, the ever popular unicorn translation. We think of unicorns as white magical ponies with a horn on their forehead. The Bible translation of a unicorn probably meant a one horned rhinoceros. This translation did not translate well
Another example, did you know there was an expression going around in 800 A.D. that said, "Hell potatoes"? To hell a potato was to bury it, in the ground. This phrase was being used in England and other parts of Europe. How did hell go from meaning a place in the ground (burying something) to a place of fire and brimstone and darkness all at the same time? Hmm...
Any Christian who don't accept Hell is not reading their Bible. The problem YOU have is the place exists and you are doing all you can to deny its existence. Alas to say, preachers today cater to people like you and God's grace loses its power for those who desperately need it. Sinners can't handle the truth, nor do they wish to have their soul agitated to where sleep is deprived. The dilemma is many sinners don't want to be saved. Hell is their choice, so nothing is open for them.
Actually it goes beyond even the Hebrew Bible. Did you know that the Latin Vulgate, translated in 400 AD, has hell listed 101 times in it, 77 of which are in the Old Testament? Did you know that the KJV has hell listed in it 54 times, 31 of which are in the Old Testament? Did you know that every other translation in English doesn't have hell in the Old Testament at all?
As a Christian, I agree. We're starting to find out more and more about how little hell is mentioned in the Bible. That's why key words like sheol, and hades, and gehenna are starting to pop up more frequently.
Hell isn't even used in the Old Testament, they believed that all people went to sheol, or the grave. God would judge them somehow there, but it wasn't a place of suffering. It was sleep.
@sapnyosentry read Luke 13:3! unless a man repents they were surely perish! david wrote more on hell than anything! so what is going to happen the wicked? the wicked corrupt people who reject God just die and go no where? wake up! Jesus did not come to the earth to bring peace but justice! repent to Christ get on your knees before God and ask Him to forgive you! people who preach hell does not exsist are not christians! beware of these false teachers who come with cheap grace!
For those who hate God for sending people to hell: I'm not saying anything but here's something to think about... ( If a man warns you that in the other room he put a lion and he told you not to go in there...would you really blame the man if you ignored him and went in the room anyway...? ) And it's not like it's a lot of work to be what God wants you to be...You just have to pray for forgiveness for the things you have done wrong and to try with all your heart not to do them again...
@fleshy2000 You have believed a lie! Do you believe that there is no God? Oh, what a miserable existence, to think that his short time on earth is your only point of being. What could possibly be the meaning of your life?
If there is a God and if he is an all knowing God then he can't be an angry God. Anger is a human emotion and it's triggered when something unwanted happens. When we throw a stone at a glass window and it breaks, we don't get angry since we know that's going to happen. Since God knows ahead of time that humans will surely "sin", how can it make him angry? There can't be a free will and an omniscient God. These are contradictory.
@FreeFromWar The anger of God is directed at those to whom the free gift of eternal life has been give (through the blood of His own Son, "who was slain from the foundation of the world"... yes our rebellion was seen from the beginning and the plan placed in motion, before one of your days came to be.) And who are you mere man, to tell God that anger is a"human" emotion? You know nothing of the Almighty Creator and Sustainer of all that is!
@cedward2453 I meant "think rationally". Why was that difficult for you to realize that I missed a word? Read my first comment since you obviously failed to understand it. I explain why "God" can't feel anger if he's omniscience. For him to feel anger, he can't be omniscient. For him to be omniscient, he can't feel anger, but accordint to the Bible he does. But the Bible is known for it's contradictions.
@FreeFromWar What would anger have to do with (or not) omniscience? I would contend that anger is not an emotion, but a state of being. Frustration is what humans feel as a result of being angry. As for, "...the Bible is known for it's contradictions", I would say that is a cop out. You can continue to believe that so that you my feel self justified in rejecting the truth, but I would challenge you to point out one contradiction,. I'll be waiting, no rush.
@cedward2453 I told you to read my comment in order to understand what omniscience has to do with feeling anger. Your ignorance is a result of apathy. And anger is a result of frustration, not the other way.
When we throw a stone at a glass window and it breaks, we don't get angry since we know that's going to happen. Since God knows ahead of time (omniscience) that humans will "sin", how can it make him angry?Anger contradicts omniscience.
@FreeFromWar But why did you throw the stone through the glass in the first place? Did it have anything to do with anger? Anger does not contradict omniscience. What does being all knowing have to do with anger? Do you have any children? If so, do you think they will ever do anything that makes you angry? Does knowing that they will at some point, make you angry with their behavior make any less able to perceive of the fact that they will? Don't forget to find that biblical contradiction for me.
@cedward2453 "But why did you throw the stone through the glass in the first place?" to prove to you that I don't feel angry when I know something is going to happen.
"What does being all knowing have to do with anger?" watch this
Doesn't sound like you are a Christian to me. You take great pleasure in those people going to hell but God does not. Does His love really abide in you?
@RedLeprachaun You call the Bible nonsense, but Jesus is ALIVE. God will not be mocked. That means he will eventually take out his WRATH upon all sinners & unbelievers.
Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Ecclesiastes 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted.
@Romans1014Preach God is mocked, you are under the spell of religion.
You really are looking forward to god taking his vengeance out on me, how sadistic is that?
Psalms53:1 Are Buffett and Gates fools? They have given billions to charity, you don't call that "doing good?"
The guys who discovered DNA are fools? Angelina Jolie is an ambassador to a third world country, she raises money for the poor, but according to you she is a fool who does no good.
@Romans1014Preach Take Exodus 32:26-29 and study it carefully. Once again, this invisible god is commanding humans to kill humans. This alone should send a lightening bold, that cracks your very faith into pieces of doubt. You would have us believe that god created everything, but needs humans to kill humans.
Now look at the catholic church, how much suffering and how many deaths are they responsible for?
Be honest with yourself, call murder, murder. Its not too late for you to study science.
@RedLeprachaun What you fail to realize is that world is not a playground & that Satan is the ruler of this world. This world is under condemnation. Read Genesis. Satan rules you & ALL Christians who kill in the name of God, but in reality are under the control of Satan.
Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. There never was peace.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Sin is an eternal offense worthy of an eternal penalty. The justness of God demands that unrepentant sinners be cast away from Him. The Bible absolutely teaches eternal destruction, you refuse to accept the doctrine of hell. You refuse to believe that man is radically depraved and worthy of hell. If we as Christians believe hell to be not, we have no need to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ because then we would believe all go to heaven.
How can a loving God have his creation burn forever and ever? This is not Biblical. That is completely awful! Here is a link to a sermon talking about hell. It is part 2 and he is already talking about Edwards' sermon. Check it out.
@1Shaneel I know how you fell but, God is not only loving but just. The Bible says the wicked will not go unpunished. Even if we don't understand God we know he is perfect and is never wrong. We have a sin nature and do not under stand everything but we must trust God in whatever he tells us to do.
I dissagree with this strongly. I don't knw what Bro. Jonathan Edwards is going to tell God. Here are some bible verus for people who truely beileve God is an ANGRY God, and not a God of love. 1Jhn 4:6 | Jnh 3:16 | 1 Jhn 4:9 | Micah 7:18 | Lamen. 3: 22. there are a few more. But I just wanted to say Yes. God HATES the sin. But TRUELY love the sinner. Thats why he gave his ONE & ONLY son. to Died for us. He doesnt want to see us go to hell. But he wants to see us living with him forever. :))))))
@rumNberries You cannot reconcile the GOD of the old testament with the God of the new with your theology..they are the same GOD. Jesus preached more on HELL then heaven. Preachers today are going to be held accountable for not warning people of that place. It is a FEARFUL thing to fall into the hands of an ANGRY GOD. Yes God is angry.
@pmsou Yes you are RIGHT. you are 100% correct. You are positive. God is the same God from the old/new test. Preacher are gonna be held accountable. So what are you saying? We have no WAY of getting out of the hands of an angry GOD? Even if we pary, it doesnt mean anything? How are you gonna convert somebody to being a christian when your preaching stuff so scary. yes it the truth. We are all sinners but by the grace of God we could all come to him. He love us.
@rumNberries I do not understand your question if "how are you gonna convert somebody to being a Christian when your preaching something so scary?" You will convert them by telling them about hell but also telling them that we are saved by Gods grace. And Gods grace and mercy will come upon us and stay upon us if we continue in His love.
@Dwrancho144 my God, you are 100% correct. Christians are asleep right now. They are at ease in Zion. You probably have a call on you. Hell is real. May God make the reality of that place real to you IN THIS LIFE instead of the next one and then warn others about it. May he do that to us all!!! WOW!! Wake up christians to eternity! It shouldn't be enough that we are safe! We want revival!!
Man this might be the craziest thing I have ever heard! Of course there is a hell. Do you believe in Jesus? If you truly did you would stay up 24/7 with no sleep trying to get everyone to know Him and His love. Its simply not logical to think that just because people are not awake at every moment to tell people about hell, then hell does not exist. There is only so much a person can do. Am I saying to be consent with living a life and not trying to warn people? NO, I am not.
@Dwrancho144 It's all in God's word. Yes, maybe the christians are lazy, or even hipocrites. Yet, that does not spare you from God's Holiness and anger. God is love and not willing for you to perish, but have everlasting life. That is why Jesus came. He dies and arise again from the dead for your salvation. If you give Him your heart, you too as I will be walking the streets of Gold together. Being real for a true God in His love. Awesome.
@Dwrancho144 "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" is a sermon written by American Christian theologian Jonathan Edwards, preached on July 8, 1741. I'm pretty sure receipted was just posting a literary reading.
@PropheticVindicator@Dwrancho144 It is no secret that Christians are hypocrites. Even the Apostle Paul called himself the chiefest amongst sinners. The difference between a true believer of Christ and someone that doesn't is that we accept that were hypocrites, liars, lustful, prideful, ... and we receive that Jesus Christ died for us so that we wouldn't have to pay the price for our sins. Then after accepting Christ a true follower of Christ(Christian) will try to become more like Him daily.
@cribs09 I agree completely. I was merely responding to a clam Dwrancho144 was trying to make that just because certain Christians don't follow the Bible doesn't mean there aren't those who do. Faith without works is dead, and if anyone is in Christ he is a new creature. Old things are passed away, and all things are become new.
@cribs09 I agree completely. I was merely responding to a clam Dwrancho144 was trying to make that just because certain Christians don't follow the Bible doesn't mean there aren't those who do. Faith without works is dead, and if anyone is in Christ he is a new creature. Old things are passed away, and all things are become new.
I believe that hell is a real place and those that don't accept Jesus Christ, will spend eternity there. But no, I don't share the gospel enough. In 2Peter3:9 it says the Lord desires that none would perish. Not you, me, or any other sinner in this world. I encourage you to seek truth for yourself, Not in a video, some theologians book, or some wannabe theologians blog, but in the Bible, in observation of His creation, and in just sitting down and having some quiet time.
I believe that hell is a real place and those that don't accept Jesus Christ, will spend eternity there. But no, I don't share the gospel enough. In 2Peter3:9 it says the Lord desires that none would perish. Not you, me, or any other sinner in this world. I encourage you to seek truth for yourself, Not in a video, some theologians book, or some wannabe theologians blog, but in the Bible, in observation of His creation, and in just sitting down and having some quiet time.
Dead Guy: Well, adultry; I had too much jesus blood that night and abbigail is fiiiine
God: Well, since I love you so much; I'm going to send you to the fiery pits of wherever the fuck and you will be burnt and all that good stuff forever. You know I gave you about 80 yrs of horrible time on Earth for a reason ya know.... fool. NEXT.
@Poopgasm An unrepentant sinner is a creation of God. He becomes a Child of God when he accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord & Savior. God does love everyone He creates; but many don't love Him. That the point. God Almighty offers you the Only way to Heaven. If you don't accept His way; then you are warned of the destination you will encounter. He made Hell and the Lake of Fire for satan and his angels. People reject Christ; reject Heaven; so what's left? They follow satan all the way.
There is just no preaching on Hell today. My pastor does not preach on Hell and warning the sheep against going there, even though his father (also a Pastor, once an alcoholic atheist) was saved by a Preacher who preached fire and brimstone. Another mistake made by Pastors today is that eternal life happens when you die. Immediately eternal life is given to the repentant sinner and life is brand new. The Holy Spirit draws you to the cross and resurrection life is apparent. The LORD is good! Amen
God is so good, his grace is amazing, Jesus is coming back so soon, I am so happy i completely trust him, i believe He is at work so is the devil, lots of people is dieing while other are getting save the devil knows his time is short so he is to get as much people with him as possible, I PRAY THAT ANYBODY THAT LISTEN TO THIS MESSAGE GOD WILL TOUCH THEIR HEART AND GIVE THEM REPENTANCE, I KNOW HELL IS TRUE SO TRUE, GOD GAVE ME A REVELATION AND I DON'T WISH IT FOR NOBODY, JESUS LOVE YOU SO MUCH
@vilgessuola he gives us the choice to avoid it! he gave us free will. he wants a real relationship with us, and thats why he gives us the choice to accept his gift of life or reject it. the existence of hell is compatible with his quality of Justice.
@vilgessuola There are different thoughts on this. Personally, it makes sense to me in this way: You're right, the body is finite. But the soul is not. We will either dwell eternally with God or apart from God (otherwise known as Hell). So in one sense we are finite but in another we are meant for eternity. Also, it has been said that sinning against an infinite God merits (and even demands) infinite punishment.
@317taylor86 Yet Christians contend that there is only one earthly life in which to have your relationship with the right god - theirs - and thus ensure your place in heaven. So what's the difference? Why should honest doubters and those repelled by the cruelty and divisiveness of religion be condemned for eternity, when believers set such a very bad example?
@vilgessuola and @317taylor86 there are no honest doubters: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ... men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. Romans 1. There are no honest doubters/
@Refutingnonsense There you go, using the Bible to justify the Bible. That's not refuting nonsense, it's just a circular argument. Also what Paul says here is nonsense as well. 'His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen.' Who says?
@vilgessuola Why do you assume that I'm interested in justifying the Bible to you? I'm not, I know the Bible is true in a way you never can unless God grants it to you. I'm quoting what the Bible says so you understand that us Christians do not believe that atheists and "doubters" need proof. They don't, you just repress the truth in unrighteousness because you love your sin more than you would love to acknowledge the Creator. Your time will come though, soon enough. You should repent.
@Refutingnonsense Where did I assume that? You 'know the Bible is true in a way I never can'. Well, that must give you a very pleasant feeling of superiority. That's what so much religious belief is about, at bottom - a way to nurture in yourself the feeling that you are better, preferred, chosen. Look at the smug judgementalism in what you have written. You should repent.
@317taylor86 By what logic would sinning against an infinite god demand infinite punishment? Why does this infinite god keep on creating these billions of finite beings when he knows the majority will end up getting chucked into his eternal furnace? Why would a perfect being NEED a bunch of finite beings to love him anyway, since 'perfect' means complete, not requiring anything?
I agree with Edwards about the fact that God is sovereign and has every right to throw anyone into hell at any time and place, because he has all the power. But I can't agree with what he said about God's anger. It's not in his character to hate us because of his love is for everyone. It's Jesus. This sermon was made in response to the pressures Edwards faced by everyone else in his community about scaring the dessicated Puritan congregation into acting pious and religious.
@ooseum No being who could even potentially throw his creatures into hell has any trace of morality or love. The existence of hell is incompatible with either quality.
@vilgessuola Quite the opposite is true. Without there being an option of choosing against God, there would never exist any true possibility of choosing God. And love, I think we can all agree, necessitates a free choice. Without the existence of Hell, neither you nor I could ever actually love God. Yet this is the very thing He offers to us: A free, loving relationship with Himself. And that, through Jesus Christ.
@317taylor86 if someone who had children believed that the only way to ensure he could have a loving relationship with them was to threaten them with being locked in the basement and tortured, you would think that individual was sick. Yet when your God does the same thing you grovel at his feet in gratitude!
@vilgessuola Here's a different approach: God made man to live in loving relationship with Himself. In order for this to be a loving relationship, man must be able to choose against God. Man did just that by disobeying God (i.e., sin). God is perfectly righteous and therefore cannot dwell where sin is. God's wrath against the sinner is not equivalent to "being locked in the basement and tortured". Rather it is a matter of God's just nature. There must be a payment for sin. And Christ paid it.
@317taylor86 How is that another approach? A man has children to live in a loving relationship with him. In order for this to be a loving relationship, the father must accept that his children are autonomous beings who must be allowed go their own way if they are ever to mature. He does not punish them eternally if they do, or kill one of them in order to bring the others back to him. Actions that would be criminally insane in a human are lauded in a 'just' God..
@vilgessuola You're right, a human father does not and can not justly eternally punish or kill his child. But God, the Creator of all life and perfectly righteous One, can (and does). What "refutingnonsense" said is quite true. Humans cannot "see" God (with our mind and heart) only when we refuse to humble ourselves. And pride results in sin. The book "The Making of an Atheist" by James Spiegel would be an interesting read for you. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it.
@317taylor86 I haven't read that book but I suspect it's a variation on the 'hard heart and stubborn pride of atheists' trope, which is just a device for hermetically sealing Christian belief against criticism. If it is, it is starting out from a position which itself needs to be proven, i.e., that there is a sovereign God who has the right to torture people eternally. Even if this were proven, it would not justify bowing to such a monster - quite the opposite.
It is only through Jesus that God can love anyone. Within Christ there is no condemnation but he may call us friends, outside of Christ there is nothing but the wrath of God that awaits. God's wrath in scripture is one of the most displayed realities. Its shown repeatedly in scripture. God has shown love though the life, death and burial of Jesus of Nazareth and other significant ways. Creation was made in him, anything or anyone without Christ is full of death, meaninglessness, and folly.
The bible is a man-made book. It has the opinions of man, the assumptions of man and the ignorance of man throughout every story. You are ignorant to believe for one second that God is real.
@boombock3 and so does the Bible, whereas the "facts" in science books that are in question are all based on speculation and best guesses that are actually changed yearly.
@boombock3 science cannot prove a lot of things as well. it can't prove how we came to be or how the world was created. it can have theories, but not a truth.
don't jump to conclusions that science has all the answers of the universe.
@choruslover123 Lol, I never said that science had all the answers. I'm just saying that a lot more has been proven through science than a bible or religion. Is there a definite God or Goddess? Who the heck knows. Until someone can prove THAT, I'll stick to the science books. And no, "miracles" don't count. Those are just a natural occurrence.
@OpiumAntics i hope you will have enough of an open mind to explore the bible firsthand with someone who could help you. i also suggest you look into christianity as well as other religions so you can see what the truth is. and that takes a long time, more than simply dismissing it as opinions, assumptions and the ignorance of man. i hope you find the answer; but maybe you don't even really care.... so it's up to you. have a nice day.
@ooseum Listen. It is difficult to believe that any one person could create the wonders of the world, and it is more beautiful if you can see that it created itself. Giving fake idols the credit for what the world has done is nothing but insulting. There are multiple reasons I don't believe in God, one of them is, well, where is your god? Where has he been? We've done so well without him these last years why would we need him now? Only people who need religion believe in it.
God loves sinners so much that he lets them keep their right to live without Him for eternity. This is the reason many people who don't believe try to avoid. But God loves them so much, that a mere 70 or so years without Him, the reward is eternity without Him. Sad but true. God provides a way out...and they refuse to accept the Gift.
@GamerFTW21 The Bible is a great deal of bloodthirsty, immoral nonsense with a few gems of wisdom. It is very obviously the creation of human beings from the bronze age.
I'm thinking about my great grandfathers who had 33 kids with different mothers, fornication and adultery with no knowledge of a wrath to come. It troubles me sometimes of how judgment seem very and yet many who had lived in past generation were exposed to this reality. But, this is the greatest message I've heard.
interesting, this was one of the sparks that started The Great Awakening. Thousands came to have a relationship with Jesus Christ as a result of this sermon
A final thought: When all is said and done, by either side, it comes down to one inescapable reality. Religion, logic, science, art, politics, etc can never give the answers. They may strive for it, but they all remain wanting. But there is one truth that none of these can hide-including religion. Jesus. Men want evidence of God. Others try to point to this or that for that evidence. When the perfect revelation of God is given to all mankind in the face of Jesus Christ.
If I may try to show an analogy, which may be a weak analogy; that is meant only at trying to illustrate the experience of faith. Don't know if you study or practice anything that is in the areas of art. If so, if you have ever found yourself having trouble understanding a technique, application, etc. But once you got it, you almost wonder at why you didn't get it in the first place. It all is logical, where before logic alone wouldn't allow you to understand it, until you experienced it.
@HermitintheRain I understand this point, but for me it is the opposite. As a child i easily believed, to the point i had some of the same extreme points of view many super-religious people have. But i gave that up when i took a second to look at the world and religion. It has too many contradictions, half truths, and cop outs.
@canipe1 I cannot argue with you about the things that caused you to no longer believe, just as you cannot argue with the things that have caused me to believe. But I can state that I am aware of some of the apparent contradictions, etc. Am even aware of the gross hypocrisy that is rampant among those who call themselves Christian. But in many respects, these hypocrites are nothing more than a living straw man argument.
When I examined the Scriptues over 20 years ago, and the history of Christianity; to be honest, I was greatly offended at what I learned. This put me on a path, at the time, if at all possible, to free our society, one person at a time from Christianity. It would take over 12 years of me aggressively positioning myself against Christianity, before God, in his providence, opened my eyes.
I had been the victim of my own pride, my own foolishness of falling for a presentation of what is Christianity, that was anything but true Biblical Christianity. I made what I learned in history, and what I see paraded around the world as Christianity, as the real thing. But that is just it-it isn't. What you and I have been raised to believe is Christianity is a strawman.
The truth is that there are more practicing atheists who call themselves Christian for reasons that are far and wide, than you might believe. They are practicing atheists in that they live there lives as if there is no God that will hold them accountable to the sins in their lives. They think that by calling themselves Christian that this gives them some special license to sin with impunity.
In so doing, not only are they not true Christians, but they give a reason for unbelievers to mock what is true Christianity. Which makes such false professors a greater threat to Christianity than any atheist, agnostic, hindu, etc could ever be.
By the grace of revelation, according to the purpose of God, I was made to understand his ways unto the saving of my soul. As the Lord transformed my heart from its rebellious, scornful ways, he also began, and continues to unfold to me what is the mystery of his grace. I have no boast in myself. Even what I do understand, is still infinitesimal to the breadth and depth of God, his word, and his ways.
Certainly there would be those who are far greater in realms of logic and rhetoric than I could ever hope to be. But I am ever greatful that I did not become a Christian based on the powers of man's ability to reason. If it had been that way; the same method to convince me, would be the same method by which I could be persuaded not to believe. But I have been persuaded by God's wisdom, which far exceeds any of the world's.
@HermitintheRain Well logically you'd come to that conclusion in defense, that goes without saying.
But we know how religious folk believe what they do, no matter the degree of zealotry or what denomination. Why is it nobody ever asks the Atheists why they came to their conclusion, and if they do, why is it always discredited?
@canipe1 Personally, even when I wasn't a Christian, I found atheism to be illogical. The order of the universe on the grand scale to the microscopic just defied the conclusion of a random event. Whether what created the universe was outside of it, part of it, singular, plural, etc was what was unknown. But it only appeared reasonable to me that there was a force behind this universe that was highly organized.
@HermitintheRain Why? Even if we're going with the idea that everything that has happened could have only happened in the way it has (which is untrue), the fact remains it still would've fallen in the realm of possibility. That said, the scientific explanations of origin are still largely collective theories and concepts, but that doesn't mean they're any less true than a man in the sky did it. Quite the contrary.
@canipe1 I won't pretend to be able to persuade you or anyone. In fact, when I wasn't a Christian, I applied my talents to challenging the positions of Christians myself. If someone had told me over 10 years ago that I would be giving a defense of Christianity, I would have laughed at them, and then derided them for even suggesting what at that time would have been an abomination to me.
So tell me then, where did we get our sense of justice from? How do we know what is right, and what is wrong. Why are we any different from animals who know nothing of justice? What makes us different? I have my answer and it is the Almighty God.
@xSyntheticChaosx So... what about all the civilizations that did not develop under the teachings of Christianity?
What makes us different is just that we are self aware. As for a 'source of morality' it is non-nonsensical to go about murdering others for no reason. The basis of any morality of a sane person is that we are to propagate and survive. Which is easier done when you work with others.
"He has so many ways of taking sinners out of the world" it says? Yet he does nothing? Some god.
Not to mention, if he is all knowing, why would he be angry, is he angry at himself for being so god damn retarded to make something knowing it would be 'corrupt' in his point of view?
@canipe1 All your beligerence and blasphemy will in no way exempt you from the same Judgment Seat. May God be merciful in revealing and healing your reprobate and God-hating heart and mind. Know that when you die, it is not the end, but only the beginning of all eternity: be it in eternal wrath or in eternal life in the kingdom of God. All your efforts to defame and smear the name of God only adds to your judgment, and in no way delivers you from the death to come.
@canipe1 I do know that the word of God is proof of what is true and what is false. I know the word of God reveals that all men are without excuse. I know that the word of God reveals that all men have all the evidence before them necessary to obey God. I know that the word of God reveals the depth of the darkness in man's heart to silence the cry of the law of God written on their heart.
@canipe1 I know that when man hardens his heart to the voice of Wisdom that God has put into his heart, that he risks being given over to that darkness where God will given them over to it by hardening it for them with a spirit of delusion and giving them over to a reprobate mind that cannot come to the Light of truth, so that they might be damned who received not the love of the truth, but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
This is true... But that is what makes the atonement so beautiful. All that he speaks of was absolved at the cross for any who would believe.
eternalychanged 5 days ago
Thank you so much. I was going to have to read all that for English class!!! (^-^)
cutecupkait 5 days ago
To all those under the delusion that God's wrath is not real and that damnation and eternal punishment for rejecting God does not exist and is against the "simple truths" of the Bible, answer yourselves this question.
Why did Jesus Christ, the very Son of God himself, proclaim the reality of God's wrath and the extreme danger of Hell to a much greater extend than he proclaimed God's love and mercy. For God's mercy to be mercy, there must be something he is giving us mercy from.
FiddleSticks96 1 month ago
Merry Christmas to all, Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards Men (mankind)
I would like to point out that this sermon to me is a description of a type of psycosis. Indeed, I would not doubt that Jonathan Edwards was drunk when he wrote it. This man had a lot nerve, he has my respect.
felix4672 1 month ago
i have to watch this for english...i think its illegal to make us watch this in class thts why its a home assignment...-_-
WarcraftWackys 1 month ago
Sounds like Westboro Baptist
1993TRS1 1 month ago
well he converted way more people than any of you will so i wouldnt criticize him too much.
3737jd 2 months ago
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This is SUCH B.S.!!!! Jesus is the perfect representation of Our Father and look like he acted around people! He loved them all and accepted them as they are! That is the Heart of Our Father!.... You guys listen to Jonathen Edwards but forgot what Jesus said... That the father gave him all the power to Judge but, that He didn't come to Judge anyone! Thats JESUS saying it! GOD IS LOVE! and He Loved The Whole World! and LOVES EVERYONE! so stop believing this B.S.!! Grace and Love is What GOD is!
Romankrikov 3 months ago
Sadly this theology is blatantly against the simple truths of the Bible
mishaelf 3 months ago
@mishaelf How?
FiddleSticks96 3 months ago
@mishaelf HOW?
doggydogg28 2 months ago
Johnathan Edwards was a real nutcase. His legacy lives on today
mjbarrowful 4 months ago
Also, if people decide to live their meager years on earth without God, then eternity for them should be no problem, since many sinners laugh and mock at Hell and its existence. If He is willing to accept those who have accepted His Son's death on the cross, then the opposite should have an equal conclusion. If eternity in heaven is my reward through His death, resurrection and Blood, then sinners denial are their demise and desire. It isn't His choice, it's theirs.
n9wff 4 months ago
@n9wff
The problem with modern Christianity is that we defend the crazy ideology that punishment without end is justified. There are several people who only come into contact with spiteful, hateful Christians and want nothing to do with Christ because of that. They mock our beliefs in part because they simply don't believe, but in part because they've probably dealt with people who shout condemnation when they themselves are guilty of the very things they criticize the sinner for doing.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@n9wff
I believe we all will be judged according to our works. But because i believe we will be judged according to our works, I think it would be disgusting if God was to torture that person forever. What did God say about punishment in the Old Testament? It was so the Israelites would learn. It was not for His pleasure but so that they would turn back to Him. Every time he sent punishment their way, He always promised to restore them later in the future.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@n9wff
There is also the question of what happens to people who never have a chance to hear of Christ or God, or who have only heard of a warped version of Christ? Do they go to Gehenna fire because they never believed, even though they never had a chance to know about Christ? I don't see a just or loving God doing that. I believe God is above that. Jesus said he would draw up all men to him. I think we still have to decide whether or not we accept Christ, so why do we limit God's grace to now?
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
reason this:
Would you want someone in your house who doesn't believe in you, degrades your existence, or deny your own son? Also, where does the devil go? Does he get another pass into heaven? I won't understand how God would allow sinners to go unpunished while blessing His children in the same manner. There is no repentance, no change, no love for the Savior. If God allows all into heaven, regardless of behavior, Jesus died in vain. It was all worthless...
n9wff 4 months ago
@n9wff
Finally, I think Christ forgave everyone already. But we still have to come to Him to accept that gift.
What was it that Christ said on the cross when those people you just described were crucifying him? "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." To the people that were degrading him the most, he forgave them. I don't see the blood thirsty God in this verse.
I could be wrong about God, but I believe His grace extends forever.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@n9wff
So, to your original question, would I want someone in my house who had defiled who I was and my family? Probably not. Then again, I'm not God. I wouldn't send my son into a foreign land to be ridiculed and beaten and crucified for the good of those people. I couldn't bare such a loss. I wouldn't be able to give up that which I love the most for those that hate me the most. God did though.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@sapnyosentry You are a liar and a deceiver. Repent or perish.
PropheticVindicator 4 months ago
@PropheticVindicator
Maybe so, but I still believe that God is like that. God bless you if I'm right, and God have mercy on me if I'm wrong.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@sapnyosentry I'm glad you seem to bear a sense of humility, but I encourage you to read the Bible for yourself instead of what corrupt humans have done to make it easier to swallow. Truth is truth, and cannot be negated no matter what perverted theological gymnastics you use. There are people burning right now in perpetual misery, and it boils my blood when a professing Christian insults the price Christ paid on the cross by denying Hell. Go to spiritlessons(.)com Listen to the Hell testimonies
PropheticVindicator 4 months ago
@PropheticVindicator
This is interesting. Your first message told me to repent or perish. How can I perish if I'm burning forever? That must mean I am indestructible in someway, whether it be body or soul or spirit. How does that work?
Another question. Hell is a place of fire, right? So why is Hell thrown into a lake of fire in Revelation 20?
Fire + fire = fire. What's the point of God doing that? Its like saying I'll kill you to death. Its redundantly redundant. What does this mean?
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@sapnyosentry If you listen to the testimonies they tell you when you get to Hell you receive a body of death. You are tortured forever and yet you are not consumed. Jesus said you will either enter into the resurrection of life or the resurrection of damnation. Everyone will life forever, the question is where. Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire after the final judgment takes place. Hell is like a temporary holding place until then. Basically, the Lake of Fire will be worse.
PropheticVindicator 4 months ago
@sapnyosentry No wonder Isaiah calls this a place of everlasting burnings.
PropheticVindicator 4 months ago
@sapnyosentry Hell is not the lake of fire. Hell is a place containing the fire. You invite me over to your house to eat. If we eat at your dining room table do'nt we still eat at your house? When a person burns in Hell they are burning in the lake of fire inside Hell.
mrkimharper 1 week ago
@ sapnyosentry
If you would like to continue this, feel free to contact me @ n9wff@yahoo.com. I don't believe this is needed here on youtube.
n9wff 4 months ago
@n9wff
Continue what? Its been incredibly one sided so far. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, I still believe in God and Christ. I don't see how a just God could punish someone without end. I never said there won't be punishment, but I think its crazy to believe God would do it forever. Was forever and eternal translated correctly? That's the biggest question. Was punishment translated correctly? Do we understand these words as they were meant to be understood?
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
Considering Jesus preached on Hell twice as much as Heaven, it looks like even the Son of God found more necessity on the wards of Hell than the blessings of Heaven.
n9wff 4 months ago
@n9wff
Another misconception. How many times when speaking of 'hell' was the word really something else? In particular, how many times was it really hades or gehenna(gehenna fire)? Of the 15 times Jesus uses the word hell, 11 of those times translate to Gehenna (also known as the place used as a body dump for burning dead corpses), and 4 of those times translate to Hades, which is to say, the place of the dead; the grave.
If you want to get technical, Jesus never spoke of hell as we know it.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@n9wff
Let's look at the KJV since it uses hell the most out of any English translation.
In the KJV, heaven is used 691 times in the entire Bible. Hell is used 54 times. Jesus speaks of heaven 121 times and speaks of hell 15 times. Interestingly enough, the gospel that caries our fundamental doctrine of salvation, the gospel of John, chapter 3 verse 16, doesn't even used the word hell in the entire book. Think about that for a second.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@n9wff
So again, why are we so focused on hell when the writers of the new testament and especially the old testament weren't focused on it nearly as much? As I said, heaven is used 691 times, hell is used 54 times in the KJV, and that's the version that has hell in it the most. Some versions that are coming out now don't have hell in it period. You'll see gehenna or sheol or hades or tartarus instead. So again, why are we focused so much on hell? Its not there.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@sapnyosentry
Obvious you are like any who study the Bible to debunk it. Feel free.
Considering the new version are so watered down to prevent certain "Christians" from feeling convicted, those versions/translations wouldn't do any good in the end.
There is proof but you would find ways to deny it, anyway.
n9wff 4 months ago
@n9wff
Actually, I am a Christian. I was raised in the Southern Baptist convention. I believed the KJV to be the correct translation into English for 14 years. However, you needn't look hard into the KJV to see how goofy some of the translations are. For example, the ever popular unicorn translation. We think of unicorns as white magical ponies with a horn on their forehead. The Bible translation of a unicorn probably meant a one horned rhinoceros. This translation did not translate well
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@n9wff
Another example, did you know there was an expression going around in 800 A.D. that said, "Hell potatoes"? To hell a potato was to bury it, in the ground. This phrase was being used in England and other parts of Europe. How did hell go from meaning a place in the ground (burying something) to a place of fire and brimstone and darkness all at the same time? Hmm...
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
Any Christian who don't accept Hell is not reading their Bible. The problem YOU have is the place exists and you are doing all you can to deny its existence. Alas to say, preachers today cater to people like you and God's grace loses its power for those who desperately need it. Sinners can't handle the truth, nor do they wish to have their soul agitated to where sleep is deprived. The dilemma is many sinners don't want to be saved. Hell is their choice, so nothing is open for them.
n9wff 4 months ago
@n9wff
You read the Hebrew Bible lately? Hell isn't in there. As a matter of fact there's no concept of it in there at all.
So did Hell just spring up from hell in the New Testament?
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@n9wff
Actually it goes beyond even the Hebrew Bible. Did you know that the Latin Vulgate, translated in 400 AD, has hell listed 101 times in it, 77 of which are in the Old Testament? Did you know that the KJV has hell listed in it 54 times, 31 of which are in the Old Testament? Did you know that every other translation in English doesn't have hell in the Old Testament at all?
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
Only complete morons would believe in bullshit like this.
l2eDViRuX 5 months ago 2
@l2eDViRuX
As a Christian, I agree. We're starting to find out more and more about how little hell is mentioned in the Bible. That's why key words like sheol, and hades, and gehenna are starting to pop up more frequently.
Hell isn't even used in the Old Testament, they believed that all people went to sheol, or the grave. God would judge them somehow there, but it wasn't a place of suffering. It was sleep.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@sapnyosentry read Luke 13:3! unless a man repents they were surely perish! david wrote more on hell than anything! so what is going to happen the wicked? the wicked corrupt people who reject God just die and go no where? wake up! Jesus did not come to the earth to bring peace but justice! repent to Christ get on your knees before God and ask Him to forgive you! people who preach hell does not exsist are not christians! beware of these false teachers who come with cheap grace!
Freedomcall82 4 months ago
@Freedomcall82
Read the entire Old Testament. What was true then must be true now, no?
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
hell is a very real place
Littlefoot3559 6 months ago
@Littlefoot3559
yeah, its called the Valley of Ben Hinnom, aka Gehenna. Its not quite the hell you expected though.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
For those who hate God for sending people to hell: I'm not saying anything but here's something to think about... ( If a man warns you that in the other room he put a lion and he told you not to go in there...would you really blame the man if you ignored him and went in the room anyway...? ) And it's not like it's a lot of work to be what God wants you to be...You just have to pray for forgiveness for the things you have done wrong and to try with all your heart not to do them again...
DareDevil8D 7 months ago
religion make people stupid and suspend critical thinking
bible is full mythical stories
fleshy2000 7 months ago
@fleshy2000 You have believed a lie! Do you believe that there is no God? Oh, what a miserable existence, to think that his short time on earth is your only point of being. What could possibly be the meaning of your life?
cedward2453 6 months ago
If there is a God and if he is an all knowing God then he can't be an angry God. Anger is a human emotion and it's triggered when something unwanted happens. When we throw a stone at a glass window and it breaks, we don't get angry since we know that's going to happen. Since God knows ahead of time that humans will surely "sin", how can it make him angry? There can't be a free will and an omniscient God. These are contradictory.
FreeFromWar 7 months ago
@FreeFromWar The anger of God is directed at those to whom the free gift of eternal life has been give (through the blood of His own Son, "who was slain from the foundation of the world"... yes our rebellion was seen from the beginning and the plan placed in motion, before one of your days came to be.) And who are you mere man, to tell God that anger is a"human" emotion? You know nothing of the Almighty Creator and Sustainer of all that is!
cedward2453 6 months ago
@cedward2453 I just explained why God can't feel "anger". Do you not have the slightest ability to rationally?
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@FreeFromWar To "rationally" what? No, I don't "rationalIZE". I do think "rationally"n and logically.
cedward2453 6 months ago
@cedward2453 I meant "think rationally". Why was that difficult for you to realize that I missed a word? Read my first comment since you obviously failed to understand it. I explain why "God" can't feel anger if he's omniscience. For him to feel anger, he can't be omniscient. For him to be omniscient, he can't feel anger, but accordint to the Bible he does. But the Bible is known for it's contradictions.
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@FreeFromWar What would anger have to do with (or not) omniscience? I would contend that anger is not an emotion, but a state of being. Frustration is what humans feel as a result of being angry. As for, "...the Bible is known for it's contradictions", I would say that is a cop out. You can continue to believe that so that you my feel self justified in rejecting the truth, but I would challenge you to point out one contradiction,. I'll be waiting, no rush.
cedward2453 6 months ago
@cedward2453 I told you to read my comment in order to understand what omniscience has to do with feeling anger. Your ignorance is a result of apathy. And anger is a result of frustration, not the other way.
When we throw a stone at a glass window and it breaks, we don't get angry since we know that's going to happen. Since God knows ahead of time (omniscience) that humans will "sin", how can it make him angry?Anger contradicts omniscience.
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@FreeFromWar But why did you throw the stone through the glass in the first place? Did it have anything to do with anger? Anger does not contradict omniscience. What does being all knowing have to do with anger? Do you have any children? If so, do you think they will ever do anything that makes you angry? Does knowing that they will at some point, make you angry with their behavior make any less able to perceive of the fact that they will? Don't forget to find that biblical contradiction for me.
cedward2453 6 months ago
@cedward2453 "But why did you throw the stone through the glass in the first place?" to prove to you that I don't feel angry when I know something is going to happen.
"What does being all knowing have to do with anger?" watch this
youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9x3CnxApo
FreeFromWar 6 months ago
@FreeFromWar Engaging in vain philosophy is counter productive. Lets discuss biblical truth.
cedward2453 6 months ago
@FreeFromWar "The anger of God is directed at those to whom the free gift of eternal life has been give, BUT yet reject the Gift of God.
cedward2453 6 months ago
@theawakener7
It is clear you don't know God.
n9wff 8 months ago
@theawakener7
Doesn't sound like you are a Christian to me. You take great pleasure in those people going to hell but God does not. Does His love really abide in you?
n9wff 8 months ago
hate the sin, kill the sinner
liekkis 8 months ago
Pure sadism!
Science flies us to the moon,
religion flies us into buildings.
Numbers 31:17-18, awful, gruesome.
The bible is nonsense, this in nonsense.
RedLeprachaun 9 months ago
@RedLeprachaun You call the Bible nonsense, but Jesus is ALIVE. God will not be mocked. That means he will eventually take out his WRATH upon all sinners & unbelievers.
Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Ecclesiastes 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted.
Do you know when you will die ? God does though.
Romans1014Preach 8 months ago
@Romans1014Preach God is mocked, you are under the spell of religion.
You really are looking forward to god taking his vengeance out on me, how sadistic is that?
Psalms53:1 Are Buffett and Gates fools? They have given billions to charity, you don't call that "doing good?"
The guys who discovered DNA are fools? Angelina Jolie is an ambassador to a third world country, she raises money for the poor, but according to you she is a fool who does no good.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 ouch!
RedLeprachaun 8 months ago
@RedLeprachaun --God is mocked, you are under the spell of religion-- You have contradicted yourself.
How can God be mocked if you say he doesn't exist. Hey ?
False. I take no pleasure in anyone going to HELL (Ezekiel 33:18).
Psalm 53:1 They SIN and commit evil deeds; none of them does what is RIGHT (not good).
--The guys who discovered DNA are fools?-- False. I did not say that !
A Jolie etc. Ephesians 2:8-9 Salvation is by grace through faith.. and not of good works lest any should boast .
Romans1014Preach 8 months ago
@Romans1014Preach Take Exodus 32:26-29 and study it carefully. Once again, this invisible god is commanding humans to kill humans. This alone should send a lightening bold, that cracks your very faith into pieces of doubt. You would have us believe that god created everything, but needs humans to kill humans.
Now look at the catholic church, how much suffering and how many deaths are they responsible for?
Be honest with yourself, call murder, murder. Its not too late for you to study science.
RedLeprachaun 8 months ago
@RedLeprachaun What you fail to realize is that world is not a playground & that Satan is the ruler of this world. This world is under condemnation. Read Genesis. Satan rules you & ALL Christians who kill in the name of God, but in reality are under the control of Satan.
Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. There never was peace.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Romans1014Preach 8 months ago
this is horrible
muffinma79 9 months ago
Sin is an eternal offense worthy of an eternal penalty. The justness of God demands that unrepentant sinners be cast away from Him. The Bible absolutely teaches eternal destruction, you refuse to accept the doctrine of hell. You refuse to believe that man is radically depraved and worthy of hell. If we as Christians believe hell to be not, we have no need to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ because then we would believe all go to heaven.
dsullfbc 10 months ago
How can a loving God have his creation burn forever and ever? This is not Biblical. That is completely awful! Here is a link to a sermon talking about hell. It is part 2 and he is already talking about Edwards' sermon. Check it out.
youtube.com/watch?v=bzdYEEwV27s&NR=1
1Shaneel 10 months ago
@1Shaneel I know how you fell but, God is not only loving but just. The Bible says the wicked will not go unpunished. Even if we don't understand God we know he is perfect and is never wrong. We have a sin nature and do not under stand everything but we must trust God in whatever he tells us to do.
christianninja14 10 months ago
Let the fearful insufficiency of hell drive you to the all-sufficiency of GOD!
EagleSrike202 11 months ago
I dissagree with this strongly. I don't knw what Bro. Jonathan Edwards is going to tell God. Here are some bible verus for people who truely beileve God is an ANGRY God, and not a God of love. 1Jhn 4:6 | Jnh 3:16 | 1 Jhn 4:9 | Micah 7:18 | Lamen. 3: 22. there are a few more. But I just wanted to say Yes. God HATES the sin. But TRUELY love the sinner. Thats why he gave his ONE & ONLY son. to Died for us. He doesnt want to see us go to hell. But he wants to see us living with him forever. :))))))
rumNberries 1 year ago
@rumNberries
You'd better go back and study the Scriptures some more if you believe that God loves sinners...
elihew 1 year ago
@elihew So do YOU have any scriptures that backs up whatever Jonathan Edwards is Saying? and what do you consider yourself? a sinner or a saint?
rumNberries 1 year ago
@rumNberries You cannot reconcile the GOD of the old testament with the God of the new with your theology..they are the same GOD. Jesus preached more on HELL then heaven. Preachers today are going to be held accountable for not warning people of that place. It is a FEARFUL thing to fall into the hands of an ANGRY GOD. Yes God is angry.
pmsou 11 months ago
@pmsou Yes you are RIGHT. you are 100% correct. You are positive. God is the same God from the old/new test. Preacher are gonna be held accountable. So what are you saying? We have no WAY of getting out of the hands of an angry GOD? Even if we pary, it doesnt mean anything? How are you gonna convert somebody to being a christian when your preaching stuff so scary. yes it the truth. We are all sinners but by the grace of God we could all come to him. He love us.
rumNberries 10 months ago
@rumNberries I do not understand your question if "how are you gonna convert somebody to being a Christian when your preaching something so scary?" You will convert them by telling them about hell but also telling them that we are saved by Gods grace. And Gods grace and mercy will come upon us and stay upon us if we continue in His love.
paynestockard2536 10 months ago
What a wonderful thing education is. Thank goodness we don't live in medieval times anymore, although some people still do, so it appears.
perrin6 1 year ago
Cool story Bro
InfiniteTurtles 1 year ago
IF you really believed that hell was real then you would be out preaching 24/7 with no sleep !!!
if you really look at every sinner as someone who is headed to hell then you would have an adrenaline rush to find out the quickest way to save them
the only problem is NO christian truly believes in hell because they life testifies that they don't
do you look and speak to unsaved people like this?
you soon force your self to forget that I said this
Dwrancho144 1 year ago 7
@Dwrancho144 why do you love the things that God hates?
EZK37 1 year ago
@EZK37
Is God hate even definable ? God loves sinners, but he hates what is in them
Dwrancho144 1 year ago
@Dwrancho144 my God, you are 100% correct. Christians are asleep right now. They are at ease in Zion. You probably have a call on you. Hell is real. May God make the reality of that place real to you IN THIS LIFE instead of the next one and then warn others about it. May he do that to us all!!! WOW!! Wake up christians to eternity! It shouldn't be enough that we are safe! We want revival!!
pmsou 11 months ago
@Dwrancho144
Man this might be the craziest thing I have ever heard! Of course there is a hell. Do you believe in Jesus? If you truly did you would stay up 24/7 with no sleep trying to get everyone to know Him and His love. Its simply not logical to think that just because people are not awake at every moment to tell people about hell, then hell does not exist. There is only so much a person can do. Am I saying to be consent with living a life and not trying to warn people? NO, I am not.
paynestockard2536 10 months ago
@Dwrancho144 It's all in God's word. Yes, maybe the christians are lazy, or even hipocrites. Yet, that does not spare you from God's Holiness and anger. God is love and not willing for you to perish, but have everlasting life. That is why Jesus came. He dies and arise again from the dead for your salvation. If you give Him your heart, you too as I will be walking the streets of Gold together. Being real for a true God in His love. Awesome.
num1rltyguy 8 months ago
@Dwrancho144 "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" is a sermon written by American Christian theologian Jonathan Edwards, preached on July 8, 1741. I'm pretty sure receipted was just posting a literary reading.
flykristy 4 months ago
@Dwrancho144 Precisely why we call those "Christians" hypocrites.
PropheticVindicator 4 months ago
@PropheticVindicator @Dwrancho144 It is no secret that Christians are hypocrites. Even the Apostle Paul called himself the chiefest amongst sinners. The difference between a true believer of Christ and someone that doesn't is that we accept that were hypocrites, liars, lustful, prideful, ... and we receive that Jesus Christ died for us so that we wouldn't have to pay the price for our sins. Then after accepting Christ a true follower of Christ(Christian) will try to become more like Him daily.
cribs09 4 months ago
@cribs09 I agree completely. I was merely responding to a clam Dwrancho144 was trying to make that just because certain Christians don't follow the Bible doesn't mean there aren't those who do. Faith without works is dead, and if anyone is in Christ he is a new creature. Old things are passed away, and all things are become new.
PropheticVindicator 4 months ago
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@cribs09 I agree completely. I was merely responding to a clam Dwrancho144 was trying to make that just because certain Christians don't follow the Bible doesn't mean there aren't those who do. Faith without works is dead, and if anyone is in Christ he is a new creature. Old things are passed away, and all things are become new.
PropheticVindicator 4 months ago
@cribs09 great answer!
chescokun 3 months ago
@Dwrancho144
I believe that hell is a real place and those that don't accept Jesus Christ, will spend eternity there. But no, I don't share the gospel enough. In 2Peter3:9 it says the Lord desires that none would perish. Not you, me, or any other sinner in this world. I encourage you to seek truth for yourself, Not in a video, some theologians book, or some wannabe theologians blog, but in the Bible, in observation of His creation, and in just sitting down and having some quiet time.
cribs09 4 months ago
@cribs09 God doesn't want to but he sure will
chescokun 3 months ago
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@Dwrancho144
I believe that hell is a real place and those that don't accept Jesus Christ, will spend eternity there. But no, I don't share the gospel enough. In 2Peter3:9 it says the Lord desires that none would perish. Not you, me, or any other sinner in this world. I encourage you to seek truth for yourself, Not in a video, some theologians book, or some wannabe theologians blog, but in the Bible, in observation of His creation, and in just sitting down and having some quiet time.
cribs09 4 months ago
I find you all crazy :)
God: Did you pray everyday
Dead guy: YUP :D
God: You go to church?
Dead Guy: yezzir
God: Any forbidden acts committed?
Dead Guy: Well, adultry; I had too much jesus blood that night and abbigail is fiiiine
God: Well, since I love you so much; I'm going to send you to the fiery pits of wherever the fuck and you will be burnt and all that good stuff forever. You know I gave you about 80 yrs of horrible time on Earth for a reason ya know.... fool. NEXT.
Poopgasm 1 year ago
@Poopgasm An unrepentant sinner is a creation of God. He becomes a Child of God when he accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord & Savior. God does love everyone He creates; but many don't love Him. That the point. God Almighty offers you the Only way to Heaven. If you don't accept His way; then you are warned of the destination you will encounter. He made Hell and the Lake of Fire for satan and his angels. People reject Christ; reject Heaven; so what's left? They follow satan all the way.
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 year ago
@Poopgasm well I don't think what god would do, if the dead guy didn't repent than that would probably happen
jojiinchrist 1 year ago
If you turn on the youtube captions and go to 2:45 they say "Well I got pregnant"!! LOL And they get everything else wrong too!
Jbomb5O4 1 year ago
i read thisletter in language art class and its good. nice vid :]
LuzGMAriaHa02 1 year ago 2
There is just no preaching on Hell today. My pastor does not preach on Hell and warning the sheep against going there, even though his father (also a Pastor, once an alcoholic atheist) was saved by a Preacher who preached fire and brimstone. Another mistake made by Pastors today is that eternal life happens when you die. Immediately eternal life is given to the repentant sinner and life is brand new. The Holy Spirit draws you to the cross and resurrection life is apparent. The LORD is good! Amen
reginaDexant 1 year ago
God is so good, his grace is amazing, Jesus is coming back so soon, I am so happy i completely trust him, i believe He is at work so is the devil, lots of people is dieing while other are getting save the devil knows his time is short so he is to get as much people with him as possible, I PRAY THAT ANYBODY THAT LISTEN TO THIS MESSAGE GOD WILL TOUCH THEIR HEART AND GIVE THEM REPENTANCE, I KNOW HELL IS TRUE SO TRUE, GOD GAVE ME A REVELATION AND I DON'T WISH IT FOR NOBODY, JESUS LOVE YOU SO MUCH
maymelida1 1 year ago
I like to play xbox
ShevaMaster772 1 year ago
@ShevaMaster772 well said!
ShackletonAndFriends 1 year ago
@vilgessuola he gives us the choice to avoid it! he gave us free will. he wants a real relationship with us, and thats why he gives us the choice to accept his gift of life or reject it. the existence of hell is compatible with his quality of Justice.
ooseum 1 year ago
@ooseum How is eternal punishment for finite beings compatible with justice?
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@vilgessuola There are different thoughts on this. Personally, it makes sense to me in this way: You're right, the body is finite. But the soul is not. We will either dwell eternally with God or apart from God (otherwise known as Hell). So in one sense we are finite but in another we are meant for eternity. Also, it has been said that sinning against an infinite God merits (and even demands) infinite punishment.
317taylor86 1 year ago
@317taylor86 Yet Christians contend that there is only one earthly life in which to have your relationship with the right god - theirs - and thus ensure your place in heaven. So what's the difference? Why should honest doubters and those repelled by the cruelty and divisiveness of religion be condemned for eternity, when believers set such a very bad example?
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@vilgessuola and @317taylor86 there are no honest doubters: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ... men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. Romans 1. There are no honest doubters/
Refutingnonsense 1 year ago
@Refutingnonsense There you go, using the Bible to justify the Bible. That's not refuting nonsense, it's just a circular argument. Also what Paul says here is nonsense as well. 'His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen.' Who says?
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@vilgessuola Why do you assume that I'm interested in justifying the Bible to you? I'm not, I know the Bible is true in a way you never can unless God grants it to you. I'm quoting what the Bible says so you understand that us Christians do not believe that atheists and "doubters" need proof. They don't, you just repress the truth in unrighteousness because you love your sin more than you would love to acknowledge the Creator. Your time will come though, soon enough. You should repent.
Refutingnonsense 1 year ago
@Refutingnonsense Where did I assume that? You 'know the Bible is true in a way I never can'. Well, that must give you a very pleasant feeling of superiority. That's what so much religious belief is about, at bottom - a way to nurture in yourself the feeling that you are better, preferred, chosen. Look at the smug judgementalism in what you have written. You should repent.
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@317taylor86 By what logic would sinning against an infinite god demand infinite punishment? Why does this infinite god keep on creating these billions of finite beings when he knows the majority will end up getting chucked into his eternal furnace? Why would a perfect being NEED a bunch of finite beings to love him anyway, since 'perfect' means complete, not requiring anything?
vilgessuola 1 year ago
I agree with Edwards about the fact that God is sovereign and has every right to throw anyone into hell at any time and place, because he has all the power. But I can't agree with what he said about God's anger. It's not in his character to hate us because of his love is for everyone. It's Jesus. This sermon was made in response to the pressures Edwards faced by everyone else in his community about scaring the dessicated Puritan congregation into acting pious and religious.
ooseum 1 year ago
@ooseum No being who could even potentially throw his creatures into hell has any trace of morality or love. The existence of hell is incompatible with either quality.
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@vilgessuola Quite the opposite is true. Without there being an option of choosing against God, there would never exist any true possibility of choosing God. And love, I think we can all agree, necessitates a free choice. Without the existence of Hell, neither you nor I could ever actually love God. Yet this is the very thing He offers to us: A free, loving relationship with Himself. And that, through Jesus Christ.
317taylor86 1 year ago
@317taylor86 if someone who had children believed that the only way to ensure he could have a loving relationship with them was to threaten them with being locked in the basement and tortured, you would think that individual was sick. Yet when your God does the same thing you grovel at his feet in gratitude!
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@vilgessuola Here's a different approach: God made man to live in loving relationship with Himself. In order for this to be a loving relationship, man must be able to choose against God. Man did just that by disobeying God (i.e., sin). God is perfectly righteous and therefore cannot dwell where sin is. God's wrath against the sinner is not equivalent to "being locked in the basement and tortured". Rather it is a matter of God's just nature. There must be a payment for sin. And Christ paid it.
317taylor86 1 year ago
@317taylor86 How is that another approach? A man has children to live in a loving relationship with him. In order for this to be a loving relationship, the father must accept that his children are autonomous beings who must be allowed go their own way if they are ever to mature. He does not punish them eternally if they do, or kill one of them in order to bring the others back to him. Actions that would be criminally insane in a human are lauded in a 'just' God..
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@vilgessuola You're right, a human father does not and can not justly eternally punish or kill his child. But God, the Creator of all life and perfectly righteous One, can (and does). What "refutingnonsense" said is quite true. Humans cannot "see" God (with our mind and heart) only when we refuse to humble ourselves. And pride results in sin. The book "The Making of an Atheist" by James Spiegel would be an interesting read for you. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it.
317taylor86 1 year ago
@317taylor86 I haven't read that book but I suspect it's a variation on the 'hard heart and stubborn pride of atheists' trope, which is just a device for hermetically sealing Christian belief against criticism. If it is, it is starting out from a position which itself needs to be proven, i.e., that there is a sovereign God who has the right to torture people eternally. Even if this were proven, it would not justify bowing to such a monster - quite the opposite.
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@oos
It is only through Jesus that God can love anyone. Within Christ there is no condemnation but he may call us friends, outside of Christ there is nothing but the wrath of God that awaits. God's wrath in scripture is one of the most displayed realities. Its shown repeatedly in scripture. God has shown love though the life, death and burial of Jesus of Nazareth and other significant ways. Creation was made in him, anything or anyone without Christ is full of death, meaninglessness, and folly.
v01741r31 1 year ago
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ooseum 1 year ago
The bible is a man-made book. It has the opinions of man, the assumptions of man and the ignorance of man throughout every story. You are ignorant to believe for one second that God is real.
OpiumAntics 1 year ago
@OpiumAntics and so are the Science books.
DJsStratoArt 1 year ago
@DJsStratoArt Ahh, yes, but the science books also have facts that have been proven a million times over.
boombock3 1 year ago
@boombock3 and so does the Bible, whereas the "facts" in science books that are in question are all based on speculation and best guesses that are actually changed yearly.
DJsStratoArt 1 year ago
@boombock3 science cannot prove a lot of things as well. it can't prove how we came to be or how the world was created. it can have theories, but not a truth.
don't jump to conclusions that science has all the answers of the universe.
choruslover123 1 year ago
@choruslover123 Lol, I never said that science had all the answers. I'm just saying that a lot more has been proven through science than a bible or religion. Is there a definite God or Goddess? Who the heck knows. Until someone can prove THAT, I'll stick to the science books. And no, "miracles" don't count. Those are just a natural occurrence.
boombock3 1 year ago
@DJsStratoArt The difference is that science books are based on FACTS.
OpiumAntics 1 year ago
@OpiumAntics i hope you will have enough of an open mind to explore the bible firsthand with someone who could help you. i also suggest you look into christianity as well as other religions so you can see what the truth is. and that takes a long time, more than simply dismissing it as opinions, assumptions and the ignorance of man. i hope you find the answer; but maybe you don't even really care.... so it's up to you. have a nice day.
ooseum 1 year ago
@ooseum Listen. It is difficult to believe that any one person could create the wonders of the world, and it is more beautiful if you can see that it created itself. Giving fake idols the credit for what the world has done is nothing but insulting. There are multiple reasons I don't believe in God, one of them is, well, where is your god? Where has he been? We've done so well without him these last years why would we need him now? Only people who need religion believe in it.
OpiumAntics 1 year ago
God loves sinners so much that he lets them keep their right to live without Him for eternity. This is the reason many people who don't believe try to avoid. But God loves them so much, that a mere 70 or so years without Him, the reward is eternity without Him. Sad but true. God provides a way out...and they refuse to accept the Gift.
n9wff 1 year ago 12
@n9wff they refuse it because they don't understand fully what they are rejecting. People get really messed up versions of God preached to them.
LIGHTRONIX 6 months ago
@n9wff Or, it's all shit, and you're wrong.
HedonismBot2911 5 months ago
@n9wff
thank goodness I grew up in a Christian nation otherwise I'd be boned.
sapnyosentry 4 months ago
@GamerFTW21 The Bible is a great deal of bloodthirsty, immoral nonsense with a few gems of wisdom. It is very obviously the creation of human beings from the bronze age.
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@vilgessuola please read the entire bible first before saying anything about it.
ooseum 1 year ago
@ooseum I have. That's why I think it is entirely man-made.
vilgessuola 1 year ago
@GamerFTW21 So the universe is in the hands of an evil dictator many times less subtle and intelligent than many of his creatures.
vilgessuola 1 year ago
I'm thinking about my great grandfathers who had 33 kids with different mothers, fornication and adultery with no knowledge of a wrath to come. It troubles me sometimes of how judgment seem very and yet many who had lived in past generation were exposed to this reality. But, this is the greatest message I've heard.
jeanlenor 1 year ago
@jeanlenor Greatest message? It's sickening, sadistic raving from a pompous, self-righteous, humourless windbag.
vilgessuola 1 year ago
interesting, this was one of the sparks that started The Great Awakening. Thousands came to have a relationship with Jesus Christ as a result of this sermon
caughtintheUndert0w 1 year ago
@HermithintheRain Actually, logic and science can give answers lol
huttohippo4 1 year ago
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PhilBorsellino 1 year ago
A final thought: When all is said and done, by either side, it comes down to one inescapable reality. Religion, logic, science, art, politics, etc can never give the answers. They may strive for it, but they all remain wanting. But there is one truth that none of these can hide-including religion. Jesus. Men want evidence of God. Others try to point to this or that for that evidence. When the perfect revelation of God is given to all mankind in the face of Jesus Christ.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
If I may try to show an analogy, which may be a weak analogy; that is meant only at trying to illustrate the experience of faith. Don't know if you study or practice anything that is in the areas of art. If so, if you have ever found yourself having trouble understanding a technique, application, etc. But once you got it, you almost wonder at why you didn't get it in the first place. It all is logical, where before logic alone wouldn't allow you to understand it, until you experienced it.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@HermitintheRain I understand this point, but for me it is the opposite. As a child i easily believed, to the point i had some of the same extreme points of view many super-religious people have. But i gave that up when i took a second to look at the world and religion. It has too many contradictions, half truths, and cop outs.
canipe1 1 year ago
@canipe1 I cannot argue with you about the things that caused you to no longer believe, just as you cannot argue with the things that have caused me to believe. But I can state that I am aware of some of the apparent contradictions, etc. Am even aware of the gross hypocrisy that is rampant among those who call themselves Christian. But in many respects, these hypocrites are nothing more than a living straw man argument.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
When I examined the Scriptues over 20 years ago, and the history of Christianity; to be honest, I was greatly offended at what I learned. This put me on a path, at the time, if at all possible, to free our society, one person at a time from Christianity. It would take over 12 years of me aggressively positioning myself against Christianity, before God, in his providence, opened my eyes.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
I had been the victim of my own pride, my own foolishness of falling for a presentation of what is Christianity, that was anything but true Biblical Christianity. I made what I learned in history, and what I see paraded around the world as Christianity, as the real thing. But that is just it-it isn't. What you and I have been raised to believe is Christianity is a strawman.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
The truth is that there are more practicing atheists who call themselves Christian for reasons that are far and wide, than you might believe. They are practicing atheists in that they live there lives as if there is no God that will hold them accountable to the sins in their lives. They think that by calling themselves Christian that this gives them some special license to sin with impunity.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
In so doing, not only are they not true Christians, but they give a reason for unbelievers to mock what is true Christianity. Which makes such false professors a greater threat to Christianity than any atheist, agnostic, hindu, etc could ever be.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
By the grace of revelation, according to the purpose of God, I was made to understand his ways unto the saving of my soul. As the Lord transformed my heart from its rebellious, scornful ways, he also began, and continues to unfold to me what is the mystery of his grace. I have no boast in myself. Even what I do understand, is still infinitesimal to the breadth and depth of God, his word, and his ways.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
Certainly there would be those who are far greater in realms of logic and rhetoric than I could ever hope to be. But I am ever greatful that I did not become a Christian based on the powers of man's ability to reason. If it had been that way; the same method to convince me, would be the same method by which I could be persuaded not to believe. But I have been persuaded by God's wisdom, which far exceeds any of the world's.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@HermitintheRain Well logically you'd come to that conclusion in defense, that goes without saying.
But we know how religious folk believe what they do, no matter the degree of zealotry or what denomination. Why is it nobody ever asks the Atheists why they came to their conclusion, and if they do, why is it always discredited?
canipe1 1 year ago
@canipe1 Personally, even when I wasn't a Christian, I found atheism to be illogical. The order of the universe on the grand scale to the microscopic just defied the conclusion of a random event. Whether what created the universe was outside of it, part of it, singular, plural, etc was what was unknown. But it only appeared reasonable to me that there was a force behind this universe that was highly organized.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@HermitintheRain Why? Even if we're going with the idea that everything that has happened could have only happened in the way it has (which is untrue), the fact remains it still would've fallen in the realm of possibility. That said, the scientific explanations of origin are still largely collective theories and concepts, but that doesn't mean they're any less true than a man in the sky did it. Quite the contrary.
canipe1 1 year ago
@canipe1 I won't pretend to be able to persuade you or anyone. In fact, when I wasn't a Christian, I applied my talents to challenging the positions of Christians myself. If someone had told me over 10 years ago that I would be giving a defense of Christianity, I would have laughed at them, and then derided them for even suggesting what at that time would have been an abomination to me.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@p00psyd00
So tell me then, where did we get our sense of justice from? How do we know what is right, and what is wrong. Why are we any different from animals who know nothing of justice? What makes us different? I have my answer and it is the Almighty God.
xSyntheticChaosx 1 year ago
@xSyntheticChaosx So... what about all the civilizations that did not develop under the teachings of Christianity?
What makes us different is just that we are self aware. As for a 'source of morality' it is non-nonsensical to go about murdering others for no reason. The basis of any morality of a sane person is that we are to propagate and survive. Which is easier done when you work with others.
canipe1 1 year ago
"He has so many ways of taking sinners out of the world" it says? Yet he does nothing? Some god.
Not to mention, if he is all knowing, why would he be angry, is he angry at himself for being so god damn retarded to make something knowing it would be 'corrupt' in his point of view?
Hypocrisy. Zealotry. Utter bullshit.
canipe1 1 year ago
@canipe1 All your beligerence and blasphemy will in no way exempt you from the same Judgment Seat. May God be merciful in revealing and healing your reprobate and God-hating heart and mind. Know that when you die, it is not the end, but only the beginning of all eternity: be it in eternal wrath or in eternal life in the kingdom of God. All your efforts to defame and smear the name of God only adds to your judgment, and in no way delivers you from the death to come.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@HermitintheRain Your proof?
canipe1 1 year ago
@canipe1 The proof that you deny is in your own heart, in your own conscience.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@HermitintheRain You don't know what proof is do you?
canipe1 1 year ago
@canipe1 I do know that the word of God is proof of what is true and what is false. I know the word of God reveals that all men are without excuse. I know that the word of God reveals that all men have all the evidence before them necessary to obey God. I know that the word of God reveals the depth of the darkness in man's heart to silence the cry of the law of God written on their heart.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@canipe1 I know that when man hardens his heart to the voice of Wisdom that God has put into his heart, that he risks being given over to that darkness where God will given them over to it by hardening it for them with a spirit of delusion and giving them over to a reprobate mind that cannot come to the Light of truth, so that they might be damned who received not the love of the truth, but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago