@knowthetruth1492: Oh but you're a veg, so you get about 9 years added onto your life right? So because I'm going to die 9 years before you, or sooner because I just love sugar-uh, I mean meat, I am really the only one at a disadvantage here so it really is not big loss for you.
Just look at the time it took me to respond in a snarky way to you. Oh how the minutes fly by for me. But you, oh you still have those 9 theoretical veg years added to your life.
@BLHProductions , I'm not vegan for health reasons, although, my vegan diet has transformed my once overweight body into a lean, mean, vegan machine. And no, protein is the least of my worries. My reasons are mainly ethical, concerning the welfare of non-human animals, the environment that we all share, and the starving people who could easily be fed if we switched to a plant-based diet.
@OnlinePokerCowboy Seeing as you are someone who cannot speak well enough to hold a proper debate (too many typos), I will disregard your comment almost immediately.
@BLHProsuctions Well, I suggest you evaluate your own lifestyle and your current diet before attempting to "defeat" dedicated vegans with weak information. Every animal needs a certain amount of vegetation to survive (whether directly or indirectly). Morally; if you are to follow evolution (which I hope you do), we've simply been lucky enough to evolve mentally. This does not give us the right to oppress or kill other species; unless you adhere to archaic Judaic religion (Christianity).
@JPDSIII Lucky enough to evolve mentally? Ur brain evolutionary development is thru the nutrience, iron and hunt for meat...
Under darwinism meat eating is essencial, it was a major part of our ancestors diet for 1000s of years, natural selection says if it wasnt advantageous they would have died out. Where will u get the manure for the plants? Most grown crops are inedible and impoverished nations rely on $s from livestock feed to survive, and theres 100s more easily debunked vegan myths.
@BLHProductions Well, sir; don't take me so lightly. Although, I do respect your freedom of speech, I'd like to see a bit more research on your part (reliable research). It's a bit crass to call someone a "dirt eater" and the argument only degrades your presentation. Simply put, some are omnivores and some are herbivores. I rely on both the health and moral aspects of veganism because they are valid. Please take into consideration the fact that you are also an animal.
@JPDSIII: The "dirt eater" bit is a jab at "meat eater." Most vegs still eat animals (incests), they just do not know it as they are ground up. So because I eat more meat and I get called a meat eater, why not call a veg a dirt eater because plants have more dirt on them then meat and they eat more plants? Don't worry, humans are able to utilize with the amount of dirt we ingest, like with meat, only better.
@JPDSIII: You can have an omnivore diet or just about anything ranging from all meat to just fruit, but humans are all omnivores in the since we are classified as them. A cat is classified as a carnivore even though some vegs feed them vegetarian or vegan food.
I do not think that factory farms should continue, but they are a reason to improve the situation not stop eating meat. Most health problems come from processed foods, vegan or otherwise. Morality is subjective and personal.
@JPDSIII: That's good. So you don't rely on the moral or health aspects and they are personal or shaky arguments. You go more for the "to each their own" principle. That's good. I can respect that.
I simply do not like it when someone tries to bring down a mounting of misinformation and biases, acting as if they are sound arguments.
Almost as bad as "where do you get your protein" from people who likely ate PBJ's as a kid huh?
@IngensVGN & @BLHProductions : I concur, Ingens. To BLHP, “I'm not sure this conversation can go any further.” -Richard Dawkins- P.S. Quite laughable and uneducated, sir. Sincerely, James S.
@JPDSIII: Not my fault people can go from being 100% right, make a complete turn around, and go on thinking they are 100% without stopping to think about what just happened.
It usually takes a third or fourth turn around before they actually stop an analyze what they are doing and saying. Though not always. I've seen a vegan realize he was using flawed logic and change while continuing to be a vegan.
@jrhicks78: I am. There is no study that says you cannot be perfectly health eating meat, meat diets have the best chance of getting all the nutrients you need easily, and the morality of the matter is subjective, mostly stemming from factory farm practices. If you don't want to eat meat then fine, but it isn't this horrible selfish act many vegs make it out to me.
Don't mistake me for being a vegetarian because there is no way I would ever be one but vegetables are cleaned after being picked, answer, eat good quality meats e.g. chicken breast, salmon, etc, and eat 3 times as many vegetables, that's my diet and I'm a healthy man who loves life just as much as any vegetarian says they do. I cook almost every meal I eat (about 90%) I cook curries, stir fries, bakes, you name it. Meat is one of the best sources of protein, iron and omega 3 (fish).
@JaredKelso123: Even cleaned there is still microscopic particles of dirt on veggies. Meat is cut up so while it has dirt on it, plants likely have more. So if "meat eater" is the term for omnivores because they eat animals more (after all, there are animals and parts of animals in most of our meatless food).
So dirt eater is the term for them, though it is mostly pointing out the flaw in the term "meat eater" though applying it to vegs would work too. Meat = any edible thing.
@IngensVGN: It's half serious, but it makes fun of people like you who use "corpse muncher" as an actually argument. Though you are correct in that not everything I say is an actually part of the argument per se, it's more doing exactly what some vegs do, which makes it funny when vegs have outrage over it.
Alright, well thanks for the reply. But I really doub't any vegetarian, nor vegan will rage over this. They'll most likely laugh. Have you seen all the other anti veggie vids out there? They're the same.. It's like seeing somebody, trying to argue for, and actually believe; that the earth is flat. And then they come with these funny arguments like "if it was round all the water would just drop down wouldn't it?"
No hard feelings tho. It could aswell has been me in your position and you in my position right now, if we both grew up differently. I'm just glad I grew up to the one I am now (and I'm sure you're too), but my reason for that is that I try to live without harming anyone else, and I think everyone should live a life causing as little damage to eachother as we can. Cheers
I saw you and realized there as no point in watching this. I was GOING to argue for why veganism is actaully the best choice for people, but I think you argued it already by posting this video. That is what meat does to you. You're fat yet you say you're healthy. I don't understand how that can be seeing as how your heart has to pump several times harder to supply blood. Your arteries are trying their hardest to allow blood past the fat, yet you're healthy? Negative.
@courtneylustic01: I'm fat, so you can assume that I do not wish to be fat. Because of that, I likely have looked into what it takes to be healthy. So because I am fat, I likely know more than a veg about health because I look at more than one side. There is a reason I don't go veg, must the same reason I don't go paleo or any of the numerous fad diets, loosing weight is different than being healthy.
@courtneylustic01: All my blood work says I am healthy, slightly high in some areas, but nothing that a little exercise and wholesome food can't fix. I'm not fat because I eat meat, I'm fat because I don't exercise enough, calories are the key here. My cholesterol is about average. Don't think you know me because I'm fat.
@BLHProductions you're weight goes hand in hand with your health. you are not a healthy weight, and there actually ARE diets that work. Since you say you do look into so many things, I would assume you know this.
@courtneylustic01: Yes, to an extent it does, but meat isn't what makes you fat, it's calories. Carbs and protein have the same number of calories. Fat has more though, of course, we also need fat in out diets.
Yes, there are diets that make you skinnier, but few make you healthier. To become healthy is a slow process, I can't simply drop 100 pounds in a short period of time. I takes work to do it right.
@BLHProductions No, calories don't make you fat. Unhealthy food makes you fat. Your liver controls metabolism and the fat burning processes. It also filters out tonxins from the things you consume. So, say you're consuming over processed, hormone injected meat on a daily basis. Your body will be so busy trying to detox from ingesting this that it cannot focus on helping to burn fat. For an induvidual that has a healthy diet free of as many chemicals and processed foods as possible...
@courtneylustic01: No, it's calories. I'm sorry to burst your bubble of how you think the world works but it is calories. People loose weight on the Atkins diet which isn't really healthy for you. Calories matter.
Which is why there are skinny people who eat meat right? What you believe doesn't fit with reality.
@BLHProductions IT's not "What I believ". IT's the truth. If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. Either don't believ it, or go look it up. Either way, it's not my problem.
@BLHProductions eating MORE calories (there is a limit of course) is atually beneficial because clories are what out bodies use for energy. With this in mind, say you had two equally important tasks: picking up trash from a park, and cleaning your house. You go to pick trash up out of the park, but with the amount of people continuously dumping their garbage, you haven't the time to go clean your own house, therefore the messiness of your home actually increases because you spend all your time
@courtneylustic01: Actually calories are what we use to count energy. See, it's all about hydrogen bonds and ATP. The hydrogen bonds in carbs, protein, fat, and nucleic acid are where the calories come from, which is how much energy you get out of it. The energy is made into ATP by Glycolosis and the Krebs Cycle with oxygen present and makes ATP.
Fat has more hydrogen bonds, so it has more calories. Protein and carbs are equal in calories. You need all three though.
@BLHProductions cleaning the park. This is why meat (along with many many other foods) is a major factor in weight. When you say "there are diets that make you skinnier, but few make you healthier" you give me the impression that you're looking at pre-made diet plans created by "health gurus" which is really just a big business in diguise. I recommend to ANYONE looking to lose weight and get healthier to avoid these and create their OWN diet plan tailored to their bodies after doing
@courtneylustic01: Meat, especially what Westerners eat, is high in fat because the fat makes it taste better. The fat is higher in calories. Therefore the meat is higher in calories than a plant which is fairly low in calories and also low in fat. The fat that plants have is unsaturated, which means less hydrogen bonds. Saturated fat has more hydrogen bonds and is in meat more. Thus the fat (and calories) is what makes people fat along with a lack of exercise.
@courtneylustic01: "...you're looking at pre-made diet plans created by 'health gurus'..."
You mean like veg*an diets? Especially ones that go beyond not eating meat and not eating meat, dairy, and eggs? Fad diets are not healthy. They focus only on loosing weight. To do something right, you need to eat healthier. I have, over the years, moved away from red meat to chicken.
@BLHProductions some research. I'm not trying to poke fun because you're fat (and I shouldn't even be kind to you because you don't see whats wrong with killing animals and that is the ultimate form of ignorance) I'm pointing out that you don't think meat is a major contributor to obesity, and it is. And that's not even mmentioning all the other negative health effects it has.
@courtneylustic01: That is good advice, I'm just sorry that for you there is a footnote that says "And also eat no meat."
*sigh* Believing that eating animals is morally wrong is subjective. I do agree that factory farms are harmful to animals and to people, but we can raise animals without them.
You don't need computers and they contribute to obesity by being more radical than exercise, which helps you more than simply not eating meat.
Sure fat kid keep eating mc donalds and KFC im sure everyone whats to look like you thats for sure and is not about your health (which im pretty sure is not that good, you know with all the male breast n stuff) is about the animal (you know , the furry little guy who suffers so you can have him on your plate) so stop being selfish
@pcebolla: I don't eat at KFC and hardly eat at McDonalds.
You don't know me.You assume I eat huge amounts of fast food but I don't. You assume I eat huge amounts of meat, but I don't. You assume I know nothing about health, but I do.
I am also healthy. I am fat, but that's about it. Yes, I am trying to work on it, God forbid I don't try to get healthy with a fad diet.
If we stopped being selfish, then we would allow ourselves to go extinct.
@BLHProductions Ok, sorry if I judge you before asking you first but I was kind of piss to see that we humans think that we own the right to kill for maybe taste or maybe because is easier, well I used to eat tons of meat, but I realized there was no need to make some being suffer the way they do for my "needs", there are other ways maybe not that tasteful but less painful for sure and yeah selfishness is the reason we are doomed, just think about it.
@pcebolla: In all honesty, no one really has a right for anything. However you can obtain something and help and aid can be given. We do not have an absolute right to raise and kill animals, but it is also not forbidden.
Typically, a meatless diet lacks some nutrients where a typical American diet has too much. So a balance between those would likely be best. That best is usually a lot of veggies and a little meat.
Suffering is caused by factory farms which aren't needed.
@pcebolla: Again, we need a balance. If we say fuck it and do what we what just for pleasure we'll kill ourselves. If we are not selfish we would likely go extinct.
Humans are animals with a lot of power to change the world and we have to unlearn a lot of what helped us to survive before technology.
If you seriously cannot "find" the truth on B12, google "ChrisKresser B12" he has an excellent article about b12 deficiency (for everyone, including meat-eaters) with special notes for vegans and vegetarians. He links to the studies.
And again, the vegans prove they have no science backing them up.
So they resort to name calling, mocking and attempts to belittle those with whom they started debating.
Folks, the TRUTH which no vegan has disproven (or can) is that there is no valid scientific argument for veganism vs. a healthy diet that includes organic (not processed) meat/fish/poultry AND lots of healthy veggies and fruits.
But they can sure mock, name-call, etc. They're good at that when all else fails them.
@PAKETEMON: Actually they can. I know that you likely are fine (now) on your diet, but that doesn't mean anything. I am fine on my diet besides being fat. So down the road their may be problems, but everyone is different. Some people can some people can't.
And I doubt that being a veg for 20 years isn't being serious about it.
@thaappaya u talking about human beings? wich ones the rapist,peados,serial killers,abusers,racist,gredy ones...dont know u tell me...u overrating human beings right probably worst scum that walk in this earth...i respect who deserves it dont care if a human or a rat!!
@thaappaya u talking about human beings? wich ones the rapist,peados,serial killers,abusers,racist,gredy ones...dont know u tell me...u overrating human beings right probably worst scum that walk in this earth...i respect who deserves it dont care if a human or a rat!!
@thaappaya It is more that this guy rants like a hysterical hyena that he understands a healthy diet, and yet it is morbidly obese. I am not sure I would have phrased things like PAKETEMON did, but it is up to the person grandstanding about his grand understanding of health and nutrition to present themselves as healthy and fit. Otherwise he is a hypocrite at best, delusional liar at worst.
BTW: you should see his more recent videos! Brother is getting WAY heavier.
@FathomlessJoy He's ranting about vegetarianism. You dont have to be skinny to rant about vegetarianism because your diet isnt the only factor that your weight is dependent on, even if you were a vegetarian, if you sat on your ass 24 7 you would be fat, or if you had a medical condition that caused you to be fat. That is my point.
@thaappaya If you are in public ranting about one type of eating over another, one way of life over another, you should be prepared that your own health and fitness, or lack thereof, will be your first presentation to your audience. He is frantically trying to justify his own way of life, which is clearly not working for him. We need to discover what healthy living is, before we advocate one way or another, otherwise, as I said, we are merely yet another hypocite or a delusional liar.
@FathomlessJoy: See, that is where you are wrong. It is only vegs that say their diet is superior. I say that the diets are about equal and the health benefits are simply perceived effects due to going from a poor diet to one that is healthier. If you hate fries and Twinkies, then went to eat lean meat, exercise more often, and an overall healthy diet, you would be healthier on a meat diet than the meatless one.
@BLHProductions "I say that the diets are about equal" Yeah, but what do you know about it? Clearly whatever you are doing is wrong. Time to stop arguing like a child and to start learning like a man. Sorry, bub.
@BLHProductions "you would be healthier on a meat diet than the meatless one." But you have no proof this, in fact you fail to prove it in your life. I have proof, I have seen it in me, and in others. I was a fat meat eater for many years. I got in pretty good shape with the Zone diet and exercise. But it stopped, I plataued and could not go further. So I removed meat, then eggs and dairy and OMG did it take off! The fat just falls away; performance in the gym and sports soars!
@thaappaya Nothing reveals truth other than seeing it for yourself. Otherwise it is just a belief. There is mountains of evidence that meat is associated with all manner of disease. But still seeing it for myself, seeing through the lies with my own eyes, seeing how great and healthy a body and mind are without that rot and sickness in my body, blood, and brain...that is worth more than 100 China Studies. Truly!
@FathomlessJoy lol Funny you should talk about beliefs, when veganism is a set of beliefs that are based on assumptions, and moral codes. Its a religion. Yeah typical " meat is unhealthy" argument. Im a meat eater and im healthy, even if you're a vegan if you sit on your ass 24 7 you will be unhealthy. Your food choice isnt the only thing that your health is dependent on. "seeing it myself" is not evidence, its like those stupid christians saying they've experienced god.
@thaappaya "Funny you should talk about beliefs, when veganism is a set of beliefs that are based on assumptions, and moral codes. Its a religion." Let examine this. It is clearly wrong to rape and torture sentient beings, right? Surely it is not healthy to eat rotting flesh, right? It is very healthy and cruelty-free to eat plant food, right? You do not believe otherwise, do you? Seems like you have a religion of your own going, which is really where I come in to help sort it out.
@thaappaya "Im a meat eater and im healthy" Lots of smokers are healthy for the time being, right? You do not believe that this makes smoking healthy, do you? Hmmm.
Odds of a meat eater having a premature heart attack or stroke are 1 in 2, that is 50/50. Those are the facts, not beliefs, sorry.
@thaappaya "even if you're a vegan if you sit on your ass 24 7 you will be unhealthy." Of course, healthy diet and exercise are fundamental to a happy life.
@thaappaya "seeing it myself" is not evidence," LOL That is a ridiculous statement, but it shows how far gone our society is, right? How lost we are, were we value someone we don't know in a lab somewhere weve never been, getting paid by peeps we don't know to find out stuff for unknown motivations above our own direct observation. Seeing it yourself is the only true proof. Eye witnesses in court are unbelievably powerful evidence, worth the testimony of 10 forensic pathologists.
@thaappaya "its like those stupid christians saying they've experienced god." The difference is what I say is verifiable. You can see the rape and torture of against animals at any time, right? You'd rather lie and deny it, but you can see it for yourself, it is not invisible. Moreover, you can see at any time, with a little experiementation, that eating plant food is 100% healthy and nutritious. It is readily verifiable. Don't take my word, see for yourself.
@FathomlessJoy: So people who have become veg and have experienced problems because of it and have gone back to eaten meat and got healthier would know more than you right?
@BLHProductions "So people who have become veg and have experienced problems because of it and have gone back to eaten meat and got healthier would know more than you right?" For instance who?
@thaappaya "OMG evidence guys, evidence" You really have never heard or seen any evidence that cooking and eating animal flesh is unhealthy? Have you never heard of feces and urine, bovine hormones, antibiotics, single source amino acid peptides, zero fiber, zero vitamin C, HCAs and PAHs (carcinogens that form on flesh when it is cooked), blood parasites, bovine pus and scabs, LDL cholesterol, saturated fat (turns solid in your belly and clogs arteries), etc, etc. No evidence?
@FathomlessJoy: I don't have to justify it. I could ignore vegs and eat meat. But I choose to debate with them. I could defeat any argument a veg gives by simply saying, "I see where you are coming from, but I'm still going to eat meat."
Personal want is the best argument although it is simply personal and will not convince other people. It works both ways too. "Why are you a veg?" 'I want to be one.' You can't argue with personal want.
@BLHProductions "I see where you are coming from, but I'm still going to eat meat." That is defeating yourself, right? I think there is a chance for you to learn, I think it is within you to be a learner, to be caring, compassion, intelligent and to be fit and healthy in mind, body, and spirit. Essentially I care more about you than you do. That is why I refuse to argue.
@FathomlessJoy: No. That is saying that I understand that the other person doesn't think it is moral to eat meat and I accept that, but I am going to still eat meat.
I have learned. The problem for you, is that what I have learned is against what you have learned. I have seen two vegs argue about rather humans are omnivores or not. This is a controversy. As I have shown with the China study, wrong conclusions can be obtained, for both sides.
@BLHProductions "No." Actually, it is. You do not get the health and nutritional and enjoyment benefits of a happy, compassionate, diet of glorious, delicious, cruelty-free plant food.
@BLHProductions "I have learned." But that brings us back to you personal health and fitness which indicates you have not learned much, if anything. I don't want to be harsh about it, but we have to look at the 800 lb gorilla in the room, pardon the pun.
@BLHProductions "As I have shown with the China study, wrong conclusions can be obtained" You have not shown anything with the China Study, right? If so, you should offer it up for the peer review process to get it published in medical journals; don't waste your time with presenting your scienitific breakthroughs as a semi-shill for cattle barons on the web!
@BLHProductions "Personal want is the best argument " Tons of guys are in prison with that reasoning. Petty pleasure? That is the best you have?
Actually, I respect your honesty. If any man says, "I rape and torture animals for pleasure because I want to eat their rotting bodies and I will ignore any health, environmental and spiritual consequences about it and continue it," I can respect that. At least he has removed the lies and admits his ignorance.
@FathomlessJoy: Rape =/= eating animals. Sorry, you won't get anywhere with weighted language and emotional manipulation with me.
No, there are other arguments, but saying "I want to eat meat" is the best argument. It can't be argued against because you can't argue someone's wants. You can say it is pleasure all you want, but there is an evolutionary reason why humans like meat. We evolved to eat meat, so we like to eat it.
@BLHProductions "Rape =/= eating animals" Of course. You can, if you are so inclined, go out in the woods and terrorize and torture animals and eat them without raping them. We haven't discussed the sickness of hunting, however. But if you are eating them from a farm, rest assured they are rape, repeatedly, in sickest fasion imaginable. Watch Earthlings for the truth.
@BLHProductions "It can't be argued against because you can't argue someone's wants." True, but I can point out the contradictions and conflicts in someone's wants. you want to be fit and healthy, yet you eat rotting disease flesh full of saturated fat and cholesterol. You want love and compassion, yet you rape and torture animals because you want to. See the sick contradictions? I like to point those out because seeing them is critical to change.
@BLHProductions "You can say it is pleasure all you want" that is the reason for the anger and hatred and fear. Pleasure always courts fear. Flesh eaters fear losing their litte cheeseburgers so they fight, they hate, they run and hide. Any time there is pleasure, fear is right up there around it.
@BLHProductions "there is an evolutionary reason why humans like meat" Not according to Charles Darwin, who concluded that man was in fact an herbivore.
@BLHProductions "We evolved to eat meat, so we like to eat it." Perhaps tens of thousands of years ago, that is anyone's guess. But since you brought up evolution, the founder of evolutionary biology, Charles Darwin, after decades of dedicated research, concluded that man evolved into an herbivore.
@FathomlessJoy So your saying the people that live in areas that are capable of sustaining themselves with plant matter have evolved into herbivores? No, that is why we are omnivores because that isn't always an option. Evolution is about sustaining and reproduction, surely we would not de-evolve to only sustain with plant matter.
@infinitewobdrahpa Why don't you take up your argument with Charles Darwin, who concluded that man evolved to herbivore? That or you could try to prove it. While I and hundreds of millions of veg*ns prove every day that man is an herbivore, you could try to prove us wrong by eating only animal flesh. See in order to be truly omnivorous, man must be able to survive on only flesh, if that's all that is available. But no man has ever done it. Why? Because man is herbivorous.
@FathomlessJoy: Right, I'm going to point out one last thing.
Darwin came up with the theory of evolution. That's great. However, saying man is a herbivore isn't something he is known for. So please, provide a link to an actual credible site where he says this.
That being said, even it Darwin did say were herbivores, he is wrong because we are not. The classification for humans is, and has been, omnivores.
You just said prove we are omnivores by eating an ALL MEAT DIET. -_-
@BLHProductions "even it Darwin did say were herbivores, he is wrong because we are not." Right, so why would I waste my time, as you clearly do not want to learn? Find it yourself ;)
@BLHProductions "The classification for humans is, and has been, omnivores." This is an appeal to authority, a common fallacious construct. I do realize that citing Darwin's conclusion that man is hebivorous could be construed as appeal to auth, but it was in direct response to this idea one has of evolution, and to show what the founder of the entire scientific study of evolution concluded. I don't, however, need Darwin or Wiki or any other source to understand how to eat.
@FathomlessJoy: Actually you saying that Darwin said we are herbivores is an appeal to authority.
What I said was that multiple experts today, and I can cite a vegetarian doctor of human anatomy and physiology if you wish, say we are omnivores. I also eat meat and plants along with many people I know and we all seem fine. Being able to be veg like some people, be omnivores like most people, and eat mostly meat like the intuit is proof we are omnivores.
@BLHProductions Sure, all the experts could be wrong, including Charles Darwin, the founder of evolutionary biology, who concluded that man is strict vegetarian (vegan). However, if you tire of quoting authorities, and we could go round and round with that for months/years, then prove it! I prove that man is herbivorous, he survives and thrives on plants. You prove for yourself, or anyone else, the entire world, that you are omnivorous. All you have to do is survive on only meat.
@FathomlessJoy: Darwin coming up with evolution doesn't mean it is concrete what he said. We now have evidence of faster than light travel which is against what Einstein said was possible, but that doesn't make everything he said false, he simply made errors in some places.
I looked on Wiki, and the best I could find was info about how we use to be able to digest cellulose when our ancestors were herbivores.
The Inuit, thrives on mostly meat. Most of humanity, meat and plants.
@BLHProductions "Darwin coming up with evolution doesn't mean it is concrete what he said." Right, which is why I do not appeal to his authority. Are you even paying attention or just arguing? I brought up Darwin to let you know that when appealing to a scientific theory of man that you claim proves something, perhaps know what the founder of the theory himself claimed on the matter.
Again, when we see for ourselves, we don't have to argue. So, prove it!
@BLHProductions "I looked on Wiki...." I don't have to appeal to wiki to understand how to care for my body, respect my health, and treat animals humanely.
@BLHProductions "The Inuit, thrives on mostly meat. Most of humanity, meat and plants." You need to research them a bit more. They simply do not prove that man can survive on meat only, far from it.
I prove that man thrives as herbivore. You man up and prove something...stop telling me what Wiki says, and tribes you read rumors about, and evolutionary theories you do not undertand. Show the world you can live on only meat and thereby are omnivore. I have my proof, where's yours?
@FathomlessJoy: Just to clarify, you do understand that by me saying were are omnivores I don't mean that we have to eat meat right?
I mean we are able to eat both meat and plants. Diet is up to the individual, though it varies from vegan to mostly meat an everywhere in between. If you ate organ meats you should be fine. T
@BLHProductions "...you do understand that by me saying were are omnivores I don't mean that we have to eat meat right?" I think you are following tradition and culture and appeals to authority like most folks.
"I mean we are able to eat both meat and plants." Not without tremendous health problems. And we are only able to eat one of those groups exclusively. Man is vegan, tho most men's minds are twisted.
"Diet is up to the individual" Yes unless others are caused to suffer.
@FathomlessJoy We do not get "tremendous health problems" from eating meat and plants. We get tremendous health problems eating refined/processed carbs/sugars/foods.
And diet is up to the individual, because no other people are suffering from what I choose to eat. If you feel animals shouldn't die for food -that's an opinion only. It's obviously not everyone's opinion.
@LCHFinCanada "We do not get "tremendous health problems" from eating meat" Where have you been? Saturated fat and LDL are causing havoc in the human carido vascular system. Not only that, animal flesh is riddled with diseases and carcinogens and toxins. Everyone says "DONT EAT AS MUCH MEAT, EAT MORE FRUITS AND VEGGIES" Why? Why would the doctors and scientists and nutritionists and dieticians all say to "CUT DOWN On MEAT!!!" if it was a healthy food?
@FathomlessJoy no, we don't get health problems from meat. there is no conclusive evidence of this. all studies of "meat" also include "processed" meats and most meat-eaters eat high levels of refined carbohydrates.
As for saturated fat and LDL... all recent studies show that increasing your intake of saturated fat while eliminating refined carbs IMPROVES your lipid profile and triglycerides. Can you disprove this? You're using very very old hypotheses that were never proven.
@LCHFinCanada "there is no conclusive evidence" Oh there are mountains of evidece. What you are saying is that there is not "proof." Well just like there is not proof that smoking is harmful, right? The tobacco companies for years had scientific evidence that smoking was actually healthy. But you would have to have your head buried pretty deep to think smoking is not harmful today. This is similar to the loads of evidence that eating meat causes all kinds of problems.
@LCHFinCanada "As for saturated fat and LDL... all recent studies show that increasing your intake of saturated fat while eliminating refined carbs IMPROVES your lipid profile and triglycerides" First, that was a cute trick, right? Slipping in the carbs thing. You cannot separate those two? Thought not. Sure, reducing refined carbs can improve your diet, but saturated fat and cholesterol, says nearly every medical pro alive, are unhealthy, contributing to heart attack and stroke :(
@LCHFinCanada "Can you disprove this? You're using very very old hypotheses that were never proven." First, I don't have to prove it, because I do not rape and torture animals and eat their diseased flesh. But let us suppose that every medical professional and research scientist is wrong that sat fat and LDL are harmful. You still eat all the known toxins and carcinogens in flesh, right? Cooked meat contains very powerful oxidants that alter the very DNA of your body's cells :(
@LCHFinCanada "We get tremendous health problems eating refined/processed carbs/sugars/foods" Agreed, but there is still the problem of saturated fat and LDL cholesterol. Do you think all the cardiologists and oncologists and scientists, etc are lying when they all say these are causing tons of health problems?
@FathomlessJoy they no longer say saturated fat/ldl cause the problems. That was a > 50yr old hypothesis never proven.
Most now know, and more are learning, that saturated fat is healthy. Low cholesterol levels = early death - that's proven.
As mentioned, all studies reducing refined/processed foods and increasing saturated fat show improved markers for cardiovascular health. Do you read new studies, or just believe your 50 year old unproven hypothesis?
@LCHFinCanada "Do you read new studies, or just believe your 50 year old unproven hypothesis?" Actually, I just gave you some quick samples of the thousands and thousands of sources of modern, today, right now recent information from the medical community on saturated fat and cholesterol and the havoc it wreaks in your body. Sorry, bud, this "that is old science" aint working, you are wasting your time! I don't rape and torture animals and I don't eat diseased rotting flesh ;)
@LCHFinCanada "If you feel animals shouldn't die for food -that's an opinion only" No, not an opinion. If you have any compassion in your heart at all then you can look at where your food actually comes from and see that the rape and torture of animals is inhumane. Check out Earthlings if you are not afraid of the truth: watch?v=FHA4HNbmDLg
@BLHProductions "Actually you saying that Darwin said we are herbivores is an appeal to authority." I already explained this. I cited Darwin in direct response to your claim that man's evolution supports we omnivorous. This was to educate you on what the man who founded and developed the entire science of evolutionary biology concluded as to man's natural diet. Again, I could care less what Darwin said, I didn't even know his views when I learned how to eat and treat animals.
@BLHProductions "I also eat meat and plants along with many people I know and we all seem fine. " LOL Western dieters are riddled with health problems: heart disease, cancer, diabetese, obesity [ahem], all unexplained...until we consider nutrition. Also, I think for you to claim you are fine and healthy on your diet is a stretch!
You have a 1 in 2 change of heart attack or stroke if you continue using a standard western diet that includes meat, dairy and eggs. That is not "fine."
@BLHProductions "eat mostly meat like the intuit" I take it you mean the Inuit? Dig a bit deeper, they had lots of vegetation during periods of the year. How? They ate out the stomach contents of large herbivores they found, also they would have fruits available during certian periods. So, no, it does not prove your theory, in fact the Inuit diet supports my theory: man cannot survive without plant food, the natural diet of man.
@FathomlessJoy: OK. I eat meat and plants and I am fine. Thus I proved humans can be omnivores.
Here is a direct link to a vegetarian on a vegetarian website saying humans are omnivores: vrg. org/nutshell/omni.htm
Also humans have had problems on a meatless diet. Ask yourself this, if meat wasn't something we could eat and draw nutrients from (meaning we are omnivores), why do people get sick when they eat more plants but not while eating plants and meat?
CLARIFICATION: Some people get sick, but not all. I'm asking why someone can eat a so called "unnatural" diet, but then somehow mess up on the "natural human diet" by eating more of what you say we should be eating.
@BLHProductions "I'm asking why someone can eat a so called "unnatural" diet, but then somehow mess up on the "natural human diet" by eating more of what you say we should be eating"
Human anatomy and biology is quite remarkable and resiliant. Eating meat does not kill us right away, UNLESS we remove the plants. Then you will see that man does not live very long at all. Vegans thrive! Does that mean that vegans do not fall ill? Nope. Nor does it mean that veganism is unnatural.
@BLHProductions "OK. I eat meat and plants and I am fine." Again, to claim you are "fine" is quite a stretch. Obesity is rampant in America and causes tons of health problems. Have you really looked into all this? Do you really know the consequences you face here? Why live in ignorance and expect others to give you views any weight, pardon the pun?
@BLHProductions "Thus I proved humans can be omnivores." You are having trouble with the logic. I will make it as simple as possible: Omnivores survive on plants or animal flesh depending on what is available. I make only plants available and thrive. Can you make only meat available? If not, then you are not an omnivore but are an herbivore who likes meat, plain and simple. If you can survive on only meat, then prove it to the world, as no man ever has. See the logic here?
@LCHFinCanada You apparently did not read the discussion closely. Again, the reasoning here is: omnivores can survive on both meat and plants OR only on one, if only one is available. Is that part clear? So, if I make only plants available, I prove the first part. Can you prove the other part? Can you prove that man can survive only on meat if that were all that was available? No man has. Why? Because we need plants to survive, but not meat. Thus you are a herbivore who likes meat.
@FathomlessJoy: Actually an omnivore is defined as being able to eat both plants and animals. I'm sure there are omnivores that could eat an all plant diet just like there are those that can eat an all meat diet. Being able to do only one, or in the case of humans, one better than another, doesn't make us not omnivores. But, if you needed to survive on only meat, you could for long periods at a time and be healthy, just like not eating meats.
@BLHProductions "just like there are those [omnivores] that can eat an all meat diet" But humans are not such an omnivore, right? Why had no man, ever, proven that he can survive on only meat? Because he can't. Face it, you are vegan, albeit in denial.
@BLHProductions "But, if you needed to survive on only meat, you could for long periods at a time and be healthy, just like not eating meats." Prove it! Not even for long periods, just for a year, fuck merely for a couple months. See what it gets you! Man requires plants but does not require meat. We both prove this everyday! Man is herbivore, some of whom have not evolved away from the taste of rot and death.
@FathomlessJoy uh.. traditional inuit eat nothing but meat/fat for up to 10 or 11 months a year. So yeah, we can live for quite sometime without plants, thanks all the same. Caucasians have even done it, and documented it, for a full year.
@LCHFinCanada "traditional inuit eat nothing but meat/fat for up to 10 or 11 months a year" Firstly, I did not say, "eat mostly meat," but rather eat only meat to prove you are omnivorous. Secondly, you need to research the Inuit more closely. They get a great deal of plant food by eating out the stomachs and intestines of large herbivores. They get this throughout the year. Also, the Inuit live 10 full years shorter than other North Americans. Lastly, I was saying YOU prove it!
@LCHFinCanada "Caucasians have even done it, and documented it, for a full year." Do you refer to the failed "Bellevue Meat Trial?" If so, you should review more closely what happened. First, the unsupervised orginator fell ill in < a month and had to change the diet. Next, the only other subject (there were only 2 subjects!) got scurvy after several weeks, and had to be recuperated with plant foods for a week. Also, the originator admitted later that he cheated on the diet often.
@LCHFinCanada "That's what an omnivore is, LOL. Don't you get that?" Actually an omnivore can survive on plants or animals, depending on what is available. Therefore for man to be omnivore he must be able to survive on only meat if that is what is available. Ever hear of a single man doing it? I survive on plants only, not a single animal product, thereby prove that man does not need meat. Can you survive on only meat and prove man does not need to eat plants?
@BLHProductions "Here is a direct link to a ..." There you go again, appealing to authority. Why? Is it because you have not seen it yourself? Most lives are dull, mindless, peeps argue and think they are clever, but never see life for themselves, they have to claim the truth of others, like shadow human beings, replicas. Prove it yourself, only eat meat and see how far you get. You require plants to survive, in fact plants are all that is keeping you alive.
@BLHProductions "Also humans have had problems on a meatless diet." Your reasoning is like saying that smoking is healthy because non-smokers have gotten lung cancer. Rather silly. I am not claiming vegan eliminates all death and disease. But people do not have problems on a vegan diet because of the fact there is no animal products.
@BLHProductions Another thing you may find out about the Inuit, if you dig a bit, is that they lived 10 years shorter than everyone else in North America!
@BLHProductions "You just said prove we are omnivores by eating an ALL MEAT DIET." Exactly! See if you can follow this: to be omnivores man must be able to survive on meat or plants, depending on availability. I only make plants available to me and I not only survive but thrive. So all you have to do, if you're tired of living a theoretical life, is prove that you can live only on meat. No man has ever done it. Why? Because man is naturally herbivore and needs plants to survive.
@infinitewobdrahpa "No, that is why we are omnivores because that isn't always an option" Why don't you prove your theory then? Eat only meat, make rotting flesh your only option and see how long you live. See the point? Humans need plants to survive, but we do not need to eat animals at all; I prove this every day, so to me it is not a theory. You have a theory that you are omnivorous, well prove it! Try it! 1 year on only meat, hell try it for 30 days and let us all know, k?
@infinitewobdrahpa "Evolution is about sustaining and reproduction, surely we would not de-evolve to only sustain with plant matter. " Well that is not what Charles Darwin concluded. He concluded that man evolved to be vegan. I prove him right. In fact some of the most exceptional humans to walk the planet were and are veg*n: Da Vinci, Einstein, Edison, Ford, Plato, Pythagoras, Newton, etc, etc, etc.
@FathomlessJoy: Not a strong argument, but eating meat is legal, thus people will do it. And to make it illegal would be a nightmare, even worse than prohibition or the war on drugs. The problem is that people actually suffer without meat in their diet. Not everyone, but some do.
You can eat meat and be healthy. You can eat meat and be environmentally friendly. You can eat meat and have no spiritual consequences.
@BLHProductions "Why are you a veg?" 'I want to be one.'" That is not my answer to that question. My answer is that the only thing I have power over this world is my self and my own actions, therefore I respect my body, life and actions and care for them the best possible way I can see.
@BLHProductions "All the reasoning comes down to personal choice ans want." It is the desire that clouds the issue, right? The want of flesh is keeping you from seeing the truth. You cannot see this because you are blind, but I think that any second your eyes will pop open and you will see all of this, and then you will be so grateful for guys like me who sat with you for hours explaining this.
@BLHProductions "You can't argue with personal want." We don't have to, right? Desire, and the fear of frustration or fulfillment therein, speaks for itself. Look, we all want peace, compassion, love; intelligence to have those is a whole new ballgame, which is self-evident when we look at the chaos in this world. How do I take action amid that choas without being part of it? First and foremost I must respect and love me, care and attend to my self, and do no harm to others.
@FathomlessJoy: Again, you impose what you think a person feels onto them. Because I eat meat, I must be a horrible person. I can't know love, peace, compassion, or be intelligence.
Sorry, but eating meat doesn't make you a horrible person. You can know love, peace and compassion while eating animals. All it takes for that is to accept that you kill animals and not to blow it out of corporation like you do, and have compassion for those you eat. Intelligence comes with learning.
@BLHProductions "Because I eat meat, I must be a horrible person. " You keep saying this. It is not important what I think. Look at it for yourself. I will give you a hint: you keep saying this for a reason, that reason is that deep down you know I am right, because deep down you are an herbivore.
@FathomlessJoy: The "you know deep down" argument is a poor one. I'm sorry, but being able to eat a veg diet doesn't make you a herbivore anymore then eating just meat makes you a carnivore.
You are using a strawman argument and seem to me missing the point that an omnivore can eat both meat and plants. I, and many others do this. We also are classified as omnivores.
@BLHProductions "but being able to eat a veg diet doesn't make you a herbivore anymore then eating just meat makes you a carnivore" Prove it! If you want me to recognize you as an omnivore, which are so desperate for me to do, then prove you are on by showing that man can live on only meat if needed. You can't! Sorry.
@BLHProductions "You are using a strawman argument and seem to me missing the point that an omnivore can eat both meat and plants" Depending on availability!!! << say that out loud so that it can get through the noise you quite mistakenly call clever thought.
@BLHProductions "We also are classified as omnivores. " And yet you fail to prove it even to yourself. If you were omni you could survive without plants, if you had to. No man including you has eaten only meat without getting sick. Why? Because you can't! you need plants but you do not need meat. You are an herbivore who likes the taste of rotting flesh.
Yeah. That was a waste of 9 minutes of my life.
knowthetruth1492 2 days ago
@knowthetruth1492: Oh but you're a veg, so you get about 9 years added onto your life right? So because I'm going to die 9 years before you, or sooner because I just love sugar-uh, I mean meat, I am really the only one at a disadvantage here so it really is not big loss for you.
Just look at the time it took me to respond in a snarky way to you. Oh how the minutes fly by for me. But you, oh you still have those 9 theoretical veg years added to your life.
BLHProductions 1 day ago
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knowthetruth1492 1 day ago
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@BLHProductions , I'm not vegan for health reasons, although, my vegan diet has transformed my once overweight body into a lean, mean, vegan machine. And no, protein is the least of my worries. My reasons are mainly ethical, concerning the welfare of non-human animals, the environment that we all share, and the starving people who could easily be fed if we switched to a plant-based diet.
knowthetruth1492 1 day ago
@OnlinePokerCowboy Seeing as you are someone who cannot speak well enough to hold a proper debate (too many typos), I will disregard your comment almost immediately.
Your facts are also silly; good try though.
James S.
JPDSIII 3 days ago
im 11 and i dont eat animal
nonames364 1 week ago
@nonames364: Do you eat peanut butter?
BLHProductions 1 week ago
@BLHProsuctions Well, I suggest you evaluate your own lifestyle and your current diet before attempting to "defeat" dedicated vegans with weak information. Every animal needs a certain amount of vegetation to survive (whether directly or indirectly). Morally; if you are to follow evolution (which I hope you do), we've simply been lucky enough to evolve mentally. This does not give us the right to oppress or kill other species; unless you adhere to archaic Judaic religion (Christianity).
JPDSIII 2 weeks ago
@JPDSIII Lucky enough to evolve mentally? Ur brain evolutionary development is thru the nutrience, iron and hunt for meat...
Under darwinism meat eating is essencial, it was a major part of our ancestors diet for 1000s of years, natural selection says if it wasnt advantageous they would have died out. Where will u get the manure for the plants? Most grown crops are inedible and impoverished nations rely on $s from livestock feed to survive, and theres 100s more easily debunked vegan myths.
OnlinePokerCowboy 1 week ago
@BLHProductions Well, sir; don't take me so lightly. Although, I do respect your freedom of speech, I'd like to see a bit more research on your part (reliable research). It's a bit crass to call someone a "dirt eater" and the argument only degrades your presentation. Simply put, some are omnivores and some are herbivores. I rely on both the health and moral aspects of veganism because they are valid. Please take into consideration the fact that you are also an animal.
JPDSIII 2 weeks ago
@JPDSIII: The "dirt eater" bit is a jab at "meat eater." Most vegs still eat animals (incests), they just do not know it as they are ground up. So because I eat more meat and I get called a meat eater, why not call a veg a dirt eater because plants have more dirt on them then meat and they eat more plants? Don't worry, humans are able to utilize with the amount of dirt we ingest, like with meat, only better.
BLHProductions 2 weeks ago
@JPDSIII: You can have an omnivore diet or just about anything ranging from all meat to just fruit, but humans are all omnivores in the since we are classified as them. A cat is classified as a carnivore even though some vegs feed them vegetarian or vegan food.
I do not think that factory farms should continue, but they are a reason to improve the situation not stop eating meat. Most health problems come from processed foods, vegan or otherwise. Morality is subjective and personal.
BLHProductions 2 weeks ago
@BLHProductions Ah, well I am certainly glad that I am an educated vegan and I have enough sense to make logical decisions.
JPDSIII 2 weeks ago
@JPDSIII: That's good. So you don't rely on the moral or health aspects and they are personal or shaky arguments. You go more for the "to each their own" principle. That's good. I can respect that.
I simply do not like it when someone tries to bring down a mounting of misinformation and biases, acting as if they are sound arguments.
Almost as bad as "where do you get your protein" from people who likely ate PBJ's as a kid huh?
BLHProductions 2 weeks ago
@IngensVGN & @BLHProductions : I concur, Ingens. To BLHP, “I'm not sure this conversation can go any further.” -Richard Dawkins- P.S. Quite laughable and uneducated, sir. Sincerely, James S.
JPDSIII 2 weeks ago
@JPDSIII: Not my fault people can go from being 100% right, make a complete turn around, and go on thinking they are 100% without stopping to think about what just happened.
It usually takes a third or fourth turn around before they actually stop an analyze what they are doing and saying. Though not always. I've seen a vegan realize he was using flawed logic and change while continuing to be a vegan.
BLHProductions 2 weeks ago
@jrhicks78: I am. There is no study that says you cannot be perfectly health eating meat, meat diets have the best chance of getting all the nutrients you need easily, and the morality of the matter is subjective, mostly stemming from factory farm practices. If you don't want to eat meat then fine, but it isn't this horrible selfish act many vegs make it out to me.
BLHProductions 3 weeks ago
wake up bro
jrhicks78 3 weeks ago
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jrhicks78 3 weeks ago
Don't mistake me for being a vegetarian because there is no way I would ever be one but vegetables are cleaned after being picked, answer, eat good quality meats e.g. chicken breast, salmon, etc, and eat 3 times as many vegetables, that's my diet and I'm a healthy man who loves life just as much as any vegetarian says they do. I cook almost every meal I eat (about 90%) I cook curries, stir fries, bakes, you name it. Meat is one of the best sources of protein, iron and omega 3 (fish).
JaredKelso123 1 month ago
@JaredKelso123: Even cleaned there is still microscopic particles of dirt on veggies. Meat is cut up so while it has dirt on it, plants likely have more. So if "meat eater" is the term for omnivores because they eat animals more (after all, there are animals and parts of animals in most of our meatless food).
So dirt eater is the term for them, though it is mostly pointing out the flaw in the term "meat eater" though applying it to vegs would work too. Meat = any edible thing.
BLHProductions 4 weeks ago
Haha what..?
Is this a joke video to make fun of some stupid "arguments" corpse munchers has or is it really serious?
IngensVGN 1 month ago
@IngensVGN: It's half serious, but it makes fun of people like you who use "corpse muncher" as an actually argument. Though you are correct in that not everything I say is an actually part of the argument per se, it's more doing exactly what some vegs do, which makes it funny when vegs have outrage over it.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions
Alright, well thanks for the reply. But I really doub't any vegetarian, nor vegan will rage over this. They'll most likely laugh. Have you seen all the other anti veggie vids out there? They're the same.. It's like seeing somebody, trying to argue for, and actually believe; that the earth is flat. And then they come with these funny arguments like "if it was round all the water would just drop down wouldn't it?"
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IngensVGN 1 month ago
@BLHProductions
No hard feelings tho. It could aswell has been me in your position and you in my position right now, if we both grew up differently. I'm just glad I grew up to the one I am now (and I'm sure you're too), but my reason for that is that I try to live without harming anyone else, and I think everyone should live a life causing as little damage to eachother as we can. Cheers
IngensVGN 1 month ago
@IngensVGN: That's a bit of an oxymoron since the least amount of damage you can cause is zero and the only way to do this is to not to live.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions
Sadly, both.
I can see you points in what you say, but they're so easily defended. :/
Can't wait for a new argument to come out.
AELXifiable 1 month ago
i was expecting a strong argument, if i'm honest.
it's just SO stupid...
AELXifiable 1 month ago
@AELXifiable: Me or others?
Honestly though, this was dated even when it was uploaded.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
I saw you and realized there as no point in watching this. I was GOING to argue for why veganism is actaully the best choice for people, but I think you argued it already by posting this video. That is what meat does to you. You're fat yet you say you're healthy. I don't understand how that can be seeing as how your heart has to pump several times harder to supply blood. Your arteries are trying their hardest to allow blood past the fat, yet you're healthy? Negative.
courtneylustic01 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: I'm fat, so you can assume that I do not wish to be fat. Because of that, I likely have looked into what it takes to be healthy. So because I am fat, I likely know more than a veg about health because I look at more than one side. There is a reason I don't go veg, must the same reason I don't go paleo or any of the numerous fad diets, loosing weight is different than being healthy.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: All my blood work says I am healthy, slightly high in some areas, but nothing that a little exercise and wholesome food can't fix. I'm not fat because I eat meat, I'm fat because I don't exercise enough, calories are the key here. My cholesterol is about average. Don't think you know me because I'm fat.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions you're weight goes hand in hand with your health. you are not a healthy weight, and there actually ARE diets that work. Since you say you do look into so many things, I would assume you know this.
courtneylustic01 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: Yes, to an extent it does, but meat isn't what makes you fat, it's calories. Carbs and protein have the same number of calories. Fat has more though, of course, we also need fat in out diets.
Yes, there are diets that make you skinnier, but few make you healthier. To become healthy is a slow process, I can't simply drop 100 pounds in a short period of time. I takes work to do it right.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions No, calories don't make you fat. Unhealthy food makes you fat. Your liver controls metabolism and the fat burning processes. It also filters out tonxins from the things you consume. So, say you're consuming over processed, hormone injected meat on a daily basis. Your body will be so busy trying to detox from ingesting this that it cannot focus on helping to burn fat. For an induvidual that has a healthy diet free of as many chemicals and processed foods as possible...
courtneylustic01 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: No, it's calories. I'm sorry to burst your bubble of how you think the world works but it is calories. People loose weight on the Atkins diet which isn't really healthy for you. Calories matter.
Which is why there are skinny people who eat meat right? What you believe doesn't fit with reality.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions IT's not "What I believ". IT's the truth. If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. Either don't believ it, or go look it up. Either way, it's not my problem.
courtneylustic01 1 month ago
@BLHProductions eating MORE calories (there is a limit of course) is atually beneficial because clories are what out bodies use for energy. With this in mind, say you had two equally important tasks: picking up trash from a park, and cleaning your house. You go to pick trash up out of the park, but with the amount of people continuously dumping their garbage, you haven't the time to go clean your own house, therefore the messiness of your home actually increases because you spend all your time
courtneylustic01 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: Actually calories are what we use to count energy. See, it's all about hydrogen bonds and ATP. The hydrogen bonds in carbs, protein, fat, and nucleic acid are where the calories come from, which is how much energy you get out of it. The energy is made into ATP by Glycolosis and the Krebs Cycle with oxygen present and makes ATP.
Fat has more hydrogen bonds, so it has more calories. Protein and carbs are equal in calories. You need all three though.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions cleaning the park. This is why meat (along with many many other foods) is a major factor in weight. When you say "there are diets that make you skinnier, but few make you healthier" you give me the impression that you're looking at pre-made diet plans created by "health gurus" which is really just a big business in diguise. I recommend to ANYONE looking to lose weight and get healthier to avoid these and create their OWN diet plan tailored to their bodies after doing
courtneylustic01 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: Meat, especially what Westerners eat, is high in fat because the fat makes it taste better. The fat is higher in calories. Therefore the meat is higher in calories than a plant which is fairly low in calories and also low in fat. The fat that plants have is unsaturated, which means less hydrogen bonds. Saturated fat has more hydrogen bonds and is in meat more. Thus the fat (and calories) is what makes people fat along with a lack of exercise.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: "...you're looking at pre-made diet plans created by 'health gurus'..."
You mean like veg*an diets? Especially ones that go beyond not eating meat and not eating meat, dairy, and eggs? Fad diets are not healthy. They focus only on loosing weight. To do something right, you need to eat healthier. I have, over the years, moved away from red meat to chicken.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions some research. I'm not trying to poke fun because you're fat (and I shouldn't even be kind to you because you don't see whats wrong with killing animals and that is the ultimate form of ignorance) I'm pointing out that you don't think meat is a major contributor to obesity, and it is. And that's not even mmentioning all the other negative health effects it has.
courtneylustic01 1 month ago
@courtneylustic01: That is good advice, I'm just sorry that for you there is a footnote that says "And also eat no meat."
*sigh* Believing that eating animals is morally wrong is subjective. I do agree that factory farms are harmful to animals and to people, but we can raise animals without them.
You don't need computers and they contribute to obesity by being more radical than exercise, which helps you more than simply not eating meat.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
Sure fat kid keep eating mc donalds and KFC im sure everyone whats to look like you thats for sure and is not about your health (which im pretty sure is not that good, you know with all the male breast n stuff) is about the animal (you know , the furry little guy who suffers so you can have him on your plate) so stop being selfish
pcebolla 1 month ago
@pcebolla: I don't eat at KFC and hardly eat at McDonalds.
You don't know me.You assume I eat huge amounts of fast food but I don't. You assume I eat huge amounts of meat, but I don't. You assume I know nothing about health, but I do.
I am also healthy. I am fat, but that's about it. Yes, I am trying to work on it, God forbid I don't try to get healthy with a fad diet.
If we stopped being selfish, then we would allow ourselves to go extinct.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Ok, sorry if I judge you before asking you first but I was kind of piss to see that we humans think that we own the right to kill for maybe taste or maybe because is easier, well I used to eat tons of meat, but I realized there was no need to make some being suffer the way they do for my "needs", there are other ways maybe not that tasteful but less painful for sure and yeah selfishness is the reason we are doomed, just think about it.
pcebolla 1 month ago
@pcebolla: In all honesty, no one really has a right for anything. However you can obtain something and help and aid can be given. We do not have an absolute right to raise and kill animals, but it is also not forbidden.
Typically, a meatless diet lacks some nutrients where a typical American diet has too much. So a balance between those would likely be best. That best is usually a lot of veggies and a little meat.
Suffering is caused by factory farms which aren't needed.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pcebolla: Again, we need a balance. If we say fuck it and do what we what just for pleasure we'll kill ourselves. If we are not selfish we would likely go extinct.
Humans are animals with a lot of power to change the world and we have to unlearn a lot of what helped us to survive before technology.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
i wish you didn't mumble so much so i could actually acknowledge your point of view
RSbubblegirl 1 month ago
but...your not harming anyone when you eat dirt. but when you eat mean...you're effecting many other animals
RSbubblegirl 1 month ago
@RSbubblegirl: When you eat plants, the harvesters used to harvest the crops also kill animals.
When you eat animals, you kill animals. I personally have no problem with killing animals. I do not think it is wrong.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
If you seriously cannot "find" the truth on B12, google "ChrisKresser B12" he has an excellent article about b12 deficiency (for everyone, including meat-eaters) with special notes for vegans and vegetarians. He links to the studies.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
Ahah, and now FathomlessJoy is quickly deleting their comments to try to look less immature, roflmao.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada: Actually, I think his comments are simply marked as spam, but not removed.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
And again, the vegans prove they have no science backing them up.
So they resort to name calling, mocking and attempts to belittle those with whom they started debating.
Folks, the TRUTH which no vegan has disproven (or can) is that there is no valid scientific argument for veganism vs. a healthy diet that includes organic (not processed) meat/fish/poultry AND lots of healthy veggies and fruits.
But they can sure mock, name-call, etc. They're good at that when all else fails them.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
can you point your camera down please?
cool13q 1 month ago
man with that face u have i highly recomends you to not appear in public...dorkbag
PAKETEMON 1 month ago
@PAKETEMON: And what did I do to insinuate that I was suppose to be your eye candy?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions dude you are a good example of why not to eat meat...look at you !!
PAKETEMON 1 month ago
@PAKETEMON: No, I'm a good reason why you should exercise. I am healthy nutritionally, even with cholesterol I am barely above normal.
But if I found a sickly looking veg, would that mean everyone should eat meat? No.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions people that take veganism seriously wil never get sick or look sick...MAYBE THOSES DIRTY HIPPIES THAT GIVE BAD NAME TO VEGETARIANS
PAKETEMON 1 month ago
@PAKETEMON: Actually they can. I know that you likely are fine (now) on your diet, but that doesn't mean anything. I am fine on my diet besides being fat. So down the road their may be problems, but everyone is different. Some people can some people can't.
And I doubt that being a veg for 20 years isn't being serious about it.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@PAKETEMON You insult a human being's appearance because you love cows? What does that make you, a cow.
thaappaya 1 month ago
@thaappaya u talking about human beings? wich ones the rapist,peados,serial killers,abusers,racist,gredy ones...dont know u tell me...u overrating human beings right probably worst scum that walk in this earth...i respect who deserves it dont care if a human or a rat!!
PAKETEMON 1 month ago
@PAKETEMON Yeah because obviously every human being is a rapist and a pedophile, jesus dude, use some fucking logic.
thaappaya 1 month ago
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@thaappaya u talking about human beings? wich ones the rapist,peados,serial killers,abusers,racist,gredy ones...dont know u tell me...u overrating human beings right probably worst scum that walk in this earth...i respect who deserves it dont care if a human or a rat!!
PAKETEMON 1 month ago
@thaappaya It is more that this guy rants like a hysterical hyena that he understands a healthy diet, and yet it is morbidly obese. I am not sure I would have phrased things like PAKETEMON did, but it is up to the person grandstanding about his grand understanding of health and nutrition to present themselves as healthy and fit. Otherwise he is a hypocrite at best, delusional liar at worst.
BTW: you should see his more recent videos! Brother is getting WAY heavier.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy He's ranting about vegetarianism. You dont have to be skinny to rant about vegetarianism because your diet isnt the only factor that your weight is dependent on, even if you were a vegetarian, if you sat on your ass 24 7 you would be fat, or if you had a medical condition that caused you to be fat. That is my point.
thaappaya 1 month ago
@thaappaya If you are in public ranting about one type of eating over another, one way of life over another, you should be prepared that your own health and fitness, or lack thereof, will be your first presentation to your audience. He is frantically trying to justify his own way of life, which is clearly not working for him. We need to discover what healthy living is, before we advocate one way or another, otherwise, as I said, we are merely yet another hypocite or a delusional liar.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: See, that is where you are wrong. It is only vegs that say their diet is superior. I say that the diets are about equal and the health benefits are simply perceived effects due to going from a poor diet to one that is healthier. If you hate fries and Twinkies, then went to eat lean meat, exercise more often, and an overall healthy diet, you would be healthier on a meat diet than the meatless one.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "I say that the diets are about equal" Yeah, but what do you know about it? Clearly whatever you are doing is wrong. Time to stop arguing like a child and to start learning like a man. Sorry, bub.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "you would be healthier on a meat diet than the meatless one." But you have no proof this, in fact you fail to prove it in your life. I have proof, I have seen it in me, and in others. I was a fat meat eater for many years. I got in pretty good shape with the Zone diet and exercise. But it stopped, I plataued and could not go further. So I removed meat, then eggs and dairy and OMG did it take off! The fat just falls away; performance in the gym and sports soars!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy I have proof that invisible pink unicorn exists, because i have experienced it!! OMG evidence guys, evidence
thaappaya 1 month ago
@thaappaya Nothing reveals truth other than seeing it for yourself. Otherwise it is just a belief. There is mountains of evidence that meat is associated with all manner of disease. But still seeing it for myself, seeing through the lies with my own eyes, seeing how great and healthy a body and mind are without that rot and sickness in my body, blood, and brain...that is worth more than 100 China Studies. Truly!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy lol Funny you should talk about beliefs, when veganism is a set of beliefs that are based on assumptions, and moral codes. Its a religion. Yeah typical " meat is unhealthy" argument. Im a meat eater and im healthy, even if you're a vegan if you sit on your ass 24 7 you will be unhealthy. Your food choice isnt the only thing that your health is dependent on. "seeing it myself" is not evidence, its like those stupid christians saying they've experienced god.
thaappaya 1 month ago
@thaappaya "Funny you should talk about beliefs, when veganism is a set of beliefs that are based on assumptions, and moral codes. Its a religion." Let examine this. It is clearly wrong to rape and torture sentient beings, right? Surely it is not healthy to eat rotting flesh, right? It is very healthy and cruelty-free to eat plant food, right? You do not believe otherwise, do you? Seems like you have a religion of your own going, which is really where I come in to help sort it out.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@thaappaya "Im a meat eater and im healthy" Lots of smokers are healthy for the time being, right? You do not believe that this makes smoking healthy, do you? Hmmm.
Odds of a meat eater having a premature heart attack or stroke are 1 in 2, that is 50/50. Those are the facts, not beliefs, sorry.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@thaappaya "even if you're a vegan if you sit on your ass 24 7 you will be unhealthy." Of course, healthy diet and exercise are fundamental to a happy life.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@thaappaya "seeing it myself" is not evidence," LOL That is a ridiculous statement, but it shows how far gone our society is, right? How lost we are, were we value someone we don't know in a lab somewhere weve never been, getting paid by peeps we don't know to find out stuff for unknown motivations above our own direct observation. Seeing it yourself is the only true proof. Eye witnesses in court are unbelievably powerful evidence, worth the testimony of 10 forensic pathologists.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@thaappaya "its like those stupid christians saying they've experienced god." The difference is what I say is verifiable. You can see the rape and torture of against animals at any time, right? You'd rather lie and deny it, but you can see it for yourself, it is not invisible. Moreover, you can see at any time, with a little experiementation, that eating plant food is 100% healthy and nutritious. It is readily verifiable. Don't take my word, see for yourself.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: So people who have become veg and have experienced problems because of it and have gone back to eaten meat and got healthier would know more than you right?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "So people who have become veg and have experienced problems because of it and have gone back to eaten meat and got healthier would know more than you right?" For instance who?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@thaappaya "OMG evidence guys, evidence" You really have never heard or seen any evidence that cooking and eating animal flesh is unhealthy? Have you never heard of feces and urine, bovine hormones, antibiotics, single source amino acid peptides, zero fiber, zero vitamin C, HCAs and PAHs (carcinogens that form on flesh when it is cooked), blood parasites, bovine pus and scabs, LDL cholesterol, saturated fat (turns solid in your belly and clogs arteries), etc, etc. No evidence?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: I don't have to justify it. I could ignore vegs and eat meat. But I choose to debate with them. I could defeat any argument a veg gives by simply saying, "I see where you are coming from, but I'm still going to eat meat."
Personal want is the best argument although it is simply personal and will not convince other people. It works both ways too. "Why are you a veg?" 'I want to be one.' You can't argue with personal want.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "I see where you are coming from, but I'm still going to eat meat." That is defeating yourself, right? I think there is a chance for you to learn, I think it is within you to be a learner, to be caring, compassion, intelligent and to be fit and healthy in mind, body, and spirit. Essentially I care more about you than you do. That is why I refuse to argue.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: No. That is saying that I understand that the other person doesn't think it is moral to eat meat and I accept that, but I am going to still eat meat.
I have learned. The problem for you, is that what I have learned is against what you have learned. I have seen two vegs argue about rather humans are omnivores or not. This is a controversy. As I have shown with the China study, wrong conclusions can be obtained, for both sides.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "No." Actually, it is. You do not get the health and nutritional and enjoyment benefits of a happy, compassionate, diet of glorious, delicious, cruelty-free plant food.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "I have learned." But that brings us back to you personal health and fitness which indicates you have not learned much, if anything. I don't want to be harsh about it, but we have to look at the 800 lb gorilla in the room, pardon the pun.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "As I have shown with the China study, wrong conclusions can be obtained" You have not shown anything with the China Study, right? If so, you should offer it up for the peer review process to get it published in medical journals; don't waste your time with presenting your scienitific breakthroughs as a semi-shill for cattle barons on the web!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Personal want is the best argument " Tons of guys are in prison with that reasoning. Petty pleasure? That is the best you have?
Actually, I respect your honesty. If any man says, "I rape and torture animals for pleasure because I want to eat their rotting bodies and I will ignore any health, environmental and spiritual consequences about it and continue it," I can respect that. At least he has removed the lies and admits his ignorance.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Rape =/= eating animals. Sorry, you won't get anywhere with weighted language and emotional manipulation with me.
No, there are other arguments, but saying "I want to eat meat" is the best argument. It can't be argued against because you can't argue someone's wants. You can say it is pleasure all you want, but there is an evolutionary reason why humans like meat. We evolved to eat meat, so we like to eat it.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Rape =/= eating animals" Of course. You can, if you are so inclined, go out in the woods and terrorize and torture animals and eat them without raping them. We haven't discussed the sickness of hunting, however. But if you are eating them from a farm, rest assured they are rape, repeatedly, in sickest fasion imaginable. Watch Earthlings for the truth.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "It can't be argued against because you can't argue someone's wants." True, but I can point out the contradictions and conflicts in someone's wants. you want to be fit and healthy, yet you eat rotting disease flesh full of saturated fat and cholesterol. You want love and compassion, yet you rape and torture animals because you want to. See the sick contradictions? I like to point those out because seeing them is critical to change.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "You can say it is pleasure all you want" that is the reason for the anger and hatred and fear. Pleasure always courts fear. Flesh eaters fear losing their litte cheeseburgers so they fight, they hate, they run and hide. Any time there is pleasure, fear is right up there around it.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "there is an evolutionary reason why humans like meat" Not according to Charles Darwin, who concluded that man was in fact an herbivore.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "We evolved to eat meat, so we like to eat it." Perhaps tens of thousands of years ago, that is anyone's guess. But since you brought up evolution, the founder of evolutionary biology, Charles Darwin, after decades of dedicated research, concluded that man evolved into an herbivore.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy So your saying the people that live in areas that are capable of sustaining themselves with plant matter have evolved into herbivores? No, that is why we are omnivores because that isn't always an option. Evolution is about sustaining and reproduction, surely we would not de-evolve to only sustain with plant matter.
infinitewobdrahpa 1 month ago
@infinitewobdrahpa Why don't you take up your argument with Charles Darwin, who concluded that man evolved to herbivore? That or you could try to prove it. While I and hundreds of millions of veg*ns prove every day that man is an herbivore, you could try to prove us wrong by eating only animal flesh. See in order to be truly omnivorous, man must be able to survive on only flesh, if that's all that is available. But no man has ever done it. Why? Because man is herbivorous.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Right, I'm going to point out one last thing.
Darwin came up with the theory of evolution. That's great. However, saying man is a herbivore isn't something he is known for. So please, provide a link to an actual credible site where he says this.
That being said, even it Darwin did say were herbivores, he is wrong because we are not. The classification for humans is, and has been, omnivores.
You just said prove we are omnivores by eating an ALL MEAT DIET. -_-
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "even it Darwin did say were herbivores, he is wrong because we are not." Right, so why would I waste my time, as you clearly do not want to learn? Find it yourself ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "The classification for humans is, and has been, omnivores." This is an appeal to authority, a common fallacious construct. I do realize that citing Darwin's conclusion that man is hebivorous could be construed as appeal to auth, but it was in direct response to this idea one has of evolution, and to show what the founder of the entire scientific study of evolution concluded. I don't, however, need Darwin or Wiki or any other source to understand how to eat.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Actually you saying that Darwin said we are herbivores is an appeal to authority.
What I said was that multiple experts today, and I can cite a vegetarian doctor of human anatomy and physiology if you wish, say we are omnivores. I also eat meat and plants along with many people I know and we all seem fine. Being able to be veg like some people, be omnivores like most people, and eat mostly meat like the intuit is proof we are omnivores.
He could also be wrong.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Sure, all the experts could be wrong, including Charles Darwin, the founder of evolutionary biology, who concluded that man is strict vegetarian (vegan). However, if you tire of quoting authorities, and we could go round and round with that for months/years, then prove it! I prove that man is herbivorous, he survives and thrives on plants. You prove for yourself, or anyone else, the entire world, that you are omnivorous. All you have to do is survive on only meat.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Darwin coming up with evolution doesn't mean it is concrete what he said. We now have evidence of faster than light travel which is against what Einstein said was possible, but that doesn't make everything he said false, he simply made errors in some places.
I looked on Wiki, and the best I could find was info about how we use to be able to digest cellulose when our ancestors were herbivores.
The Inuit, thrives on mostly meat. Most of humanity, meat and plants.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Darwin coming up with evolution doesn't mean it is concrete what he said." Right, which is why I do not appeal to his authority. Are you even paying attention or just arguing? I brought up Darwin to let you know that when appealing to a scientific theory of man that you claim proves something, perhaps know what the founder of the theory himself claimed on the matter.
Again, when we see for ourselves, we don't have to argue. So, prove it!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "I looked on Wiki...." I don't have to appeal to wiki to understand how to care for my body, respect my health, and treat animals humanely.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "The Inuit, thrives on mostly meat. Most of humanity, meat and plants." You need to research them a bit more. They simply do not prove that man can survive on meat only, far from it.
I prove that man thrives as herbivore. You man up and prove something...stop telling me what Wiki says, and tribes you read rumors about, and evolutionary theories you do not undertand. Show the world you can live on only meat and thereby are omnivore. I have my proof, where's yours?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Just to clarify, you do understand that by me saying were are omnivores I don't mean that we have to eat meat right?
I mean we are able to eat both meat and plants. Diet is up to the individual, though it varies from vegan to mostly meat an everywhere in between. If you ate organ meats you should be fine. T
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "...you do understand that by me saying were are omnivores I don't mean that we have to eat meat right?" I think you are following tradition and culture and appeals to authority like most folks.
"I mean we are able to eat both meat and plants." Not without tremendous health problems. And we are only able to eat one of those groups exclusively. Man is vegan, tho most men's minds are twisted.
"Diet is up to the individual" Yes unless others are caused to suffer.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy We do not get "tremendous health problems" from eating meat and plants. We get tremendous health problems eating refined/processed carbs/sugars/foods.
And diet is up to the individual, because no other people are suffering from what I choose to eat. If you feel animals shouldn't die for food -that's an opinion only. It's obviously not everyone's opinion.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "We do not get "tremendous health problems" from eating meat" Where have you been? Saturated fat and LDL are causing havoc in the human carido vascular system. Not only that, animal flesh is riddled with diseases and carcinogens and toxins. Everyone says "DONT EAT AS MUCH MEAT, EAT MORE FRUITS AND VEGGIES" Why? Why would the doctors and scientists and nutritionists and dieticians all say to "CUT DOWN On MEAT!!!" if it was a healthy food?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy no, we don't get health problems from meat. there is no conclusive evidence of this. all studies of "meat" also include "processed" meats and most meat-eaters eat high levels of refined carbohydrates.
As for saturated fat and LDL... all recent studies show that increasing your intake of saturated fat while eliminating refined carbs IMPROVES your lipid profile and triglycerides. Can you disprove this? You're using very very old hypotheses that were never proven.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "there is no conclusive evidence" Oh there are mountains of evidece. What you are saying is that there is not "proof." Well just like there is not proof that smoking is harmful, right? The tobacco companies for years had scientific evidence that smoking was actually healthy. But you would have to have your head buried pretty deep to think smoking is not harmful today. This is similar to the loads of evidence that eating meat causes all kinds of problems.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "As for saturated fat and LDL... all recent studies show that increasing your intake of saturated fat while eliminating refined carbs IMPROVES your lipid profile and triglycerides" First, that was a cute trick, right? Slipping in the carbs thing. You cannot separate those two? Thought not. Sure, reducing refined carbs can improve your diet, but saturated fat and cholesterol, says nearly every medical pro alive, are unhealthy, contributing to heart attack and stroke :(
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "Can you disprove this? You're using very very old hypotheses that were never proven." First, I don't have to prove it, because I do not rape and torture animals and eat their diseased flesh. But let us suppose that every medical professional and research scientist is wrong that sat fat and LDL are harmful. You still eat all the known toxins and carcinogens in flesh, right? Cooked meat contains very powerful oxidants that alter the very DNA of your body's cells :(
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "We get tremendous health problems eating refined/processed carbs/sugars/foods" Agreed, but there is still the problem of saturated fat and LDL cholesterol. Do you think all the cardiologists and oncologists and scientists, etc are lying when they all say these are causing tons of health problems?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy they no longer say saturated fat/ldl cause the problems. That was a > 50yr old hypothesis never proven.
Most now know, and more are learning, that saturated fat is healthy. Low cholesterol levels = early death - that's proven.
As mentioned, all studies reducing refined/processed foods and increasing saturated fat show improved markers for cardiovascular health. Do you read new studies, or just believe your 50 year old unproven hypothesis?
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "Do you read new studies, or just believe your 50 year old unproven hypothesis?" Actually, I just gave you some quick samples of the thousands and thousands of sources of modern, today, right now recent information from the medical community on saturated fat and cholesterol and the havoc it wreaks in your body. Sorry, bud, this "that is old science" aint working, you are wasting your time! I don't rape and torture animals and I don't eat diseased rotting flesh ;)
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@LCHFinCanada "And diet is up to the individual" So long as we do not cause others suffering, right?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@LCHFinCanada "If you feel animals shouldn't die for food -that's an opinion only" No, not an opinion. If you have any compassion in your heart at all then you can look at where your food actually comes from and see that the rape and torture of animals is inhumane. Check out Earthlings if you are not afraid of the truth: watch?v=FHA4HNbmDLg
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Actually you saying that Darwin said we are herbivores is an appeal to authority." I already explained this. I cited Darwin in direct response to your claim that man's evolution supports we omnivorous. This was to educate you on what the man who founded and developed the entire science of evolutionary biology concluded as to man's natural diet. Again, I could care less what Darwin said, I didn't even know his views when I learned how to eat and treat animals.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "I also eat meat and plants along with many people I know and we all seem fine. " LOL Western dieters are riddled with health problems: heart disease, cancer, diabetese, obesity [ahem], all unexplained...until we consider nutrition. Also, I think for you to claim you are fine and healthy on your diet is a stretch!
You have a 1 in 2 change of heart attack or stroke if you continue using a standard western diet that includes meat, dairy and eggs. That is not "fine."
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "eat mostly meat like the intuit" I take it you mean the Inuit? Dig a bit deeper, they had lots of vegetation during periods of the year. How? They ate out the stomach contents of large herbivores they found, also they would have fruits available during certian periods. So, no, it does not prove your theory, in fact the Inuit diet supports my theory: man cannot survive without plant food, the natural diet of man.
Just prove it! Be the first!!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: OK. I eat meat and plants and I am fine. Thus I proved humans can be omnivores.
Here is a direct link to a vegetarian on a vegetarian website saying humans are omnivores: vrg. org/nutshell/omni.htm
Also humans have had problems on a meatless diet. Ask yourself this, if meat wasn't something we could eat and draw nutrients from (meaning we are omnivores), why do people get sick when they eat more plants but not while eating plants and meat?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
CLARIFICATION: Some people get sick, but not all. I'm asking why someone can eat a so called "unnatural" diet, but then somehow mess up on the "natural human diet" by eating more of what you say we should be eating.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "I'm asking why someone can eat a so called "unnatural" diet, but then somehow mess up on the "natural human diet" by eating more of what you say we should be eating"
Human anatomy and biology is quite remarkable and resiliant. Eating meat does not kill us right away, UNLESS we remove the plants. Then you will see that man does not live very long at all. Vegans thrive! Does that mean that vegans do not fall ill? Nope. Nor does it mean that veganism is unnatural.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "OK. I eat meat and plants and I am fine." Again, to claim you are "fine" is quite a stretch. Obesity is rampant in America and causes tons of health problems. Have you really looked into all this? Do you really know the consequences you face here? Why live in ignorance and expect others to give you views any weight, pardon the pun?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Thus I proved humans can be omnivores." You are having trouble with the logic. I will make it as simple as possible: Omnivores survive on plants or animal flesh depending on what is available. I make only plants available and thrive. Can you make only meat available? If not, then you are not an omnivore but are an herbivore who likes meat, plain and simple. If you can survive on only meat, then prove it to the world, as no man ever has. See the logic here?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy carnivores survive on meat... Humans are omnivores, not carnivores, therefore NO we don't survive on just meat.
That's what an omnivore is, LOL. Don't you get that?
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada You apparently did not read the discussion closely. Again, the reasoning here is: omnivores can survive on both meat and plants OR only on one, if only one is available. Is that part clear? So, if I make only plants available, I prove the first part. Can you prove the other part? Can you prove that man can survive only on meat if that were all that was available? No man has. Why? Because we need plants to survive, but not meat. Thus you are a herbivore who likes meat.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Actually an omnivore is defined as being able to eat both plants and animals. I'm sure there are omnivores that could eat an all plant diet just like there are those that can eat an all meat diet. Being able to do only one, or in the case of humans, one better than another, doesn't make us not omnivores. But, if you needed to survive on only meat, you could for long periods at a time and be healthy, just like not eating meats.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "Actually an omnivore is defined as being able to eat both plants and animals" Depending on availability!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "just like there are those [omnivores] that can eat an all meat diet" But humans are not such an omnivore, right? Why had no man, ever, proven that he can survive on only meat? Because he can't. Face it, you are vegan, albeit in denial.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "But, if you needed to survive on only meat, you could for long periods at a time and be healthy, just like not eating meats." Prove it! Not even for long periods, just for a year, fuck merely for a couple months. See what it gets you! Man requires plants but does not require meat. We both prove this everyday! Man is herbivore, some of whom have not evolved away from the taste of rot and death.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy uh.. traditional inuit eat nothing but meat/fat for up to 10 or 11 months a year. So yeah, we can live for quite sometime without plants, thanks all the same. Caucasians have even done it, and documented it, for a full year.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "traditional inuit eat nothing but meat/fat for up to 10 or 11 months a year" Firstly, I did not say, "eat mostly meat," but rather eat only meat to prove you are omnivorous. Secondly, you need to research the Inuit more closely. They get a great deal of plant food by eating out the stomachs and intestines of large herbivores. They get this throughout the year. Also, the Inuit live 10 full years shorter than other North Americans. Lastly, I was saying YOU prove it!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "Caucasians have even done it, and documented it, for a full year." Do you refer to the failed "Bellevue Meat Trial?" If so, you should review more closely what happened. First, the unsupervised orginator fell ill in < a month and had to change the diet. Next, the only other subject (there were only 2 subjects!) got scurvy after several weeks, and had to be recuperated with plant foods for a week. Also, the originator admitted later that he cheated on the diet often.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada "That's what an omnivore is, LOL. Don't you get that?" Actually an omnivore can survive on plants or animals, depending on what is available. Therefore for man to be omnivore he must be able to survive on only meat if that is what is available. Ever hear of a single man doing it? I survive on plants only, not a single animal product, thereby prove that man does not need meat. Can you survive on only meat and prove man does not need to eat plants?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Here is a direct link to a ..." There you go again, appealing to authority. Why? Is it because you have not seen it yourself? Most lives are dull, mindless, peeps argue and think they are clever, but never see life for themselves, they have to claim the truth of others, like shadow human beings, replicas. Prove it yourself, only eat meat and see how far you get. You require plants to survive, in fact plants are all that is keeping you alive.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "Also humans have had problems on a meatless diet." Your reasoning is like saying that smoking is healthy because non-smokers have gotten lung cancer. Rather silly. I am not claiming vegan eliminates all death and disease. But people do not have problems on a vegan diet because of the fact there is no animal products.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions Another thing you may find out about the Inuit, if you dig a bit, is that they lived 10 years shorter than everyone else in North America!
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "You just said prove we are omnivores by eating an ALL MEAT DIET." Exactly! See if you can follow this: to be omnivores man must be able to survive on meat or plants, depending on availability. I only make plants available to me and I not only survive but thrive. So all you have to do, if you're tired of living a theoretical life, is prove that you can live only on meat. No man has ever done it. Why? Because man is naturally herbivore and needs plants to survive.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@infinitewobdrahpa "No, that is why we are omnivores because that isn't always an option" Why don't you prove your theory then? Eat only meat, make rotting flesh your only option and see how long you live. See the point? Humans need plants to survive, but we do not need to eat animals at all; I prove this every day, so to me it is not a theory. You have a theory that you are omnivorous, well prove it! Try it! 1 year on only meat, hell try it for 30 days and let us all know, k?
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@infinitewobdrahpa "Evolution is about sustaining and reproduction, surely we would not de-evolve to only sustain with plant matter. " Well that is not what Charles Darwin concluded. He concluded that man evolved to be vegan. I prove him right. In fact some of the most exceptional humans to walk the planet were and are veg*n: Da Vinci, Einstein, Edison, Ford, Plato, Pythagoras, Newton, etc, etc, etc.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Not a strong argument, but eating meat is legal, thus people will do it. And to make it illegal would be a nightmare, even worse than prohibition or the war on drugs. The problem is that people actually suffer without meat in their diet. Not everyone, but some do.
You can eat meat and be healthy. You can eat meat and be environmentally friendly. You can eat meat and have no spiritual consequences.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Why are you a veg?" 'I want to be one.'" That is not my answer to that question. My answer is that the only thing I have power over this world is my self and my own actions, therefore I respect my body, life and actions and care for them the best possible way I can see.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: And, you want to be a veg. All the reasoning comes down to personal choice ans want.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "All the reasoning comes down to personal choice ans want." It is the desire that clouds the issue, right? The want of flesh is keeping you from seeing the truth. You cannot see this because you are blind, but I think that any second your eyes will pop open and you will see all of this, and then you will be so grateful for guys like me who sat with you for hours explaining this.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "You can't argue with personal want." We don't have to, right? Desire, and the fear of frustration or fulfillment therein, speaks for itself. Look, we all want peace, compassion, love; intelligence to have those is a whole new ballgame, which is self-evident when we look at the chaos in this world. How do I take action amid that choas without being part of it? First and foremost I must respect and love me, care and attend to my self, and do no harm to others.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: Again, you impose what you think a person feels onto them. Because I eat meat, I must be a horrible person. I can't know love, peace, compassion, or be intelligence.
Sorry, but eating meat doesn't make you a horrible person. You can know love, peace and compassion while eating animals. All it takes for that is to accept that you kill animals and not to blow it out of corporation like you do, and have compassion for those you eat. Intelligence comes with learning.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions "Because I eat meat, I must be a horrible person. " You keep saying this. It is not important what I think. Look at it for yourself. I will give you a hint: you keep saying this for a reason, that reason is that deep down you know I am right, because deep down you are an herbivore.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
@FathomlessJoy: The "you know deep down" argument is a poor one. I'm sorry, but being able to eat a veg diet doesn't make you a herbivore anymore then eating just meat makes you a carnivore.
You are using a strawman argument and seem to me missing the point that an omnivore can eat both meat and plants. I, and many others do this. We also are classified as omnivores.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "but being able to eat a veg diet doesn't make you a herbivore anymore then eating just meat makes you a carnivore" Prove it! If you want me to recognize you as an omnivore, which are so desperate for me to do, then prove you are on by showing that man can live on only meat if needed. You can't! Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "You are using a strawman argument and seem to me missing the point that an omnivore can eat both meat and plants" Depending on availability!!! << say that out loud so that it can get through the noise you quite mistakenly call clever thought.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "We also are classified as omnivores. " And yet you fail to prove it even to yourself. If you were omni you could survive without plants, if you had to. No man including you has eaten only meat without getting sick. Why? Because you can't! you need plants but you do not need meat. You are an herbivore who likes the taste of rotting flesh.
FathomlessJoy 1 month ago