Chloe doesn't have many frineds, largely because her head is full of whacky rightwing cowshit of the kind she pukes onto youtube threads for the amusement of the majority of sane people who detest that cunt Thatcher and her bastard spawn in unelected power at the moment.
Go and find a boyfriend Chloe. Try the monday club.
Christy Moore is a great poet, musician, and songwriter. Thatcher was a warmongering harpy who inflicted government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich upon the British public dispensing with any idea of an inclusive functioning society in favour of short term profits for an elitist few.
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@CarajilloDulce Thatcher did not make war. Argentina did. She defended a British overseas territory when it was attacked. Should we have betrayed British subjects? 99% of the residents on the Falklands voted in a referendum to stay in the UK.
She was not a harpy either. First, to use such a term is sexist. You wouldn't apply it to man. Second, Thatcher failed to snatch from the taxpayer. She was the anti-harpy.
@CloeBuckingham Thatcher snatched 100 billion pounds from the taxpayer to attack the miners, and she made the taxpayer subsidise the council house selloffs. She made the taxpayers pay 3 times as much in poll tax as they were paying in rates before she flogged off the services to stuff wads of cash into city slickers pockets. She made the taxpayer pay for her "tell sid" capmaign to try to sell us shares in things we already owned before she stole it. Shall I go on?
He said 10% employment in the Bogside, a Catholic area of Derry City where the population were treated like second class citizens and had no hope of getting work. Dont doubt Christy, and oh, were having a party when thatcher dies..
@joethelegend Oh, you mean that Catholic neighbourhood outside Londonderry's walls. To my knowledge, unemployment is not calculated at a neighbourhood basis. So you mean 90% of those hoodlums were thriving on my taxes?
The UVF was formed in 1966; there was a march in 1968; the Battle of the Bogside started in 1969. The violence peaked in 1972. Thatcher did great work in reducing it in the 1980s. She never caved in to the terrorists, despite their attempt on her life in October 1984 in Brighton.
8. Before Thatcher, other PMs just let the UK and commonwealth crumble. In a referendum, 99% of the residents of the Falklands voted to remain British. Thatcher supported them.
9. Thatcher got the UK the rebate from the EC (EU), which Blair so easily gave away. Our agriculture is efficient. Why prop up the criminals in Italy claiming subsidies on non arable land?
10. Against the will of the Tories, Thatcher kept us out of the Euro. Well, thank goodness for that! Where is the Euro now?
@CloeBuckingham Gosh... a 10 point arse kiss of Haggie Thatcher. How do you find the time! Where to start? What's so great about deindustrialisation? Britain now produces very little and imports a lot. Reforming inefficient industries is one thing, destroying them (as Thattcher did) is another. You forgot to mention the subsidies in the forms of rent free land, free power, and tax breaks used to lure foreign companies to the UK where they could employ citizens on low paid temporary contracts.
@CarajilloDulce I think what you don't realise is that Britain's old economy was unsustainable, based on ever more taxpayers' subsidies for industries that were ever less competitive with Japan and other countries. Britain used to have a motorcycle industry. You cannot blame Thatcher for its demise. It had already been wiped out.
It is unfair to talk about deindustrialisation. Yes, there is less pollution and soot in the air, but the UK has many industries. They are just not as dirty.
@CarajilloDulce I don't know why you think there is something wrong with low paid temporary contracts. If you want to earn money, create value. Value is determined by the marketplace. People like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates figured out how to create value despite not finishing university. Those who study hard, win scholarships, can find opportunities. Neil Kinnock was a product of the grammar schools.
Thatcher did not destroy industries. They did that to themselves. She just stopped subsidising.
@CloeBuckingham Of course, these incentives to foreign companies were only available for a few years, after which the countries moved to, for example Poland, for a better deal. Britain of course was busy importing coal from Poland (rather than digging it out of UK pits) because it was cheaper in the short term. Ever noticed how many Polish people left their country to work abroad because of the appalling wages and conditions from those times? Thatcher would see such conditions for UK workers.
@CarajilloDulce Now there is mobility within the EU, so let UK workers move to where they can find the best conditions. Oh, I forgot. They are monoglots and refuse to adapt to life elsewhere.
Adaptable people will always succeed. Many working class entrepreneurs created value for consumers and became wealthy in ways that would not have been possible previously.
@CloeBuckingham Your reference to the citizens of the UK as "monoglots" just reinforces my opinion that you are simply a snob massaging your ego by making comments on You Tube. Your selfish ill informed opinions do not interest me. Have fun.
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@CarajilloDulce I was not referring to the Queen's subjects as monoglots. It is just hard for me to imagine Welsh coal miners moving to Poland and speaking Polish. Poles of all classes have shown more adaptability in learning foreign languages.
@CloeBuckingham With record 3 million unemployment under Thatcher she kindly cut free milk for school children and dispensed with nutritional standards laid down for school meals. The London Observer was not alone in reporting "up to 2 million British children are suffering ill-health and stunted growth because of malnutrition" as a result of "poverty on a scale not seen since the 1930s." Child poverty increased 3 fold under Thatcher's government with 1 in 3 babies being born into poverty.
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@CarajilloDulce Basically, what you are saying is that if B has a child, it is okay to tax A to pay for the child's food. But I think that B should first think, "Can I afford this child?" A might be a responsible person who is financially planning for when a child is affordable. Now you are stealing from responsible B to pay for irresponsible A's behaviour. It makes no sense. Nobody should have children until that person has sufficient funds to pay for the expenses of those children.
@CloeBuckingham You talk about pre-Thatcher power black outs (I remember them well). I also remember the number of poor people who had their gas, electricty, telephones, and water cut off permanently under Haggie's regime as newly privatised utilities favoured more affluent customers. The result of these and other austere measures upon the society as a whole was to see, amongst other things, the rise in previously well contained and preventable diseases, primarily in children.
@CloeBuckingham As the saying goes, "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics" the latter I see that you love to quote, so here's one for you. Even after the dismantlement of industry causing massive (record) unemployment, and privatising basic amenities and public services to the point of depriving school children of free milk, after 17 years of Thatcherite rule, the same 42.25% of GDP was going on public spending as when she took over. Private sector profits, public services deteriorate.
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@CarajilloDulce Free milk? There is nothing free in life except air. Someone has to pay for it.
Thatcher got people to stop thinking they could behave irresponsibly and get someone else to pay for it. Because as Thatcher pointed out, eventually you run out of other people's money.
There was record unemployment? That's normal and temporary in the transition from a planned economy to a market economy. Consider East Germany.
Hitler at Stalin were great at making 0% unemployment. It's slavery.
@CloeBuckingham Yes, like we all had to pay for this fucking old slag to stuff undeserving city pockets with the cash we worked to create, after she flogged our utilities to overseas entrepreneurs. May she rot slowly in boiling demon piss for eternity. Hideous old sack of vomit.
@London2272 The key point is that when I flick a switch, I get electricity. How much better is it today than those pre-Thatcher days of brownouts and blackouts. Do I really need to care who "owns" the utility company?! I care about the reliable delivery of electricity. Thatcher gave me that.
It is today possible to buy "I Still Hate Thatcher" T-shirts, an honour which has not been bestowed upon any other British Prime Minister living or dead!
@CarajilloDulce In Russia, it is still possible to buy "I love Stalin" t-shirts. The fact that there are large groups of people who worship mass murders like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, or who hate the bulwarks against them, like Churchill and Thatcher, means nothing.
Margaret Thatcher democratised capitalism. People could buy their council flats. People could buy shares in British Gas when it IPO'd with a minimum investment of just £150.
@CloeBuckingham Yeah they could buy shares in British gas but at a far higher price than the first corporate issue. Then look at the huge increase in their gas bills! What's so great about selling of council housing? The idea was that low income families could have affordable rented housing. Sell them off and the bottom rung becomes private landlords charging the earth for shitholes which is exactly what happened. Where were you living in the 80"s?
It is hard to think of a human being who loved her country more than Margaret Thatcher, nor one who was more courageous in rebuilding her country.
Thatcher was elected by huge majorities. When she came to power, the UK was the sick man of Europe, coming out of the endless strikes of the Winter of Discontent, having to borrow from the IMF like some Third World shithole.
Thatcher created a competitive economy with half the unemployment of France and Germany.
@CloeBuckingham She was nothing but a greedy harpy who dispensed with any idea of a functioning society in Britain in favour of short term financial gain. You talk about her as if she were against the IMF but when Britain was finally rid of her she toured South East Asia promoting not only her selfish doctrine but also those policies of the IMF which ended in the financial crash of the mid-late 90's in the region. Were you even living in the UK in the early 80's? I doubt it.
I never said that Thatcher was opposed to the IMF. But at least she was able to pay off those IMF loans that the Labour government had assumed. Yes, the IMF also helped Korea during the Asian financial crisis.
Under Thatcher, all those loss making enterprises, BP, BT, BA, BG, became profitable.
The pre-Thatcher was destined to collapse. You can't have such a subsidised economy in the long term.
@CloeBuckingham The businesses you quote became more profitable from the point of view of the owners and share holders. The workers and society in general benefited not because of the lucrative tax breaks Haggie Thatcher made available to make the rich just that little bit richer. Workers in the mean time had to settle for diminished rights (as did the population of Britain in general), and lack of job security through the introduction of temporary contracts.
@CarajilloDulce Salaries at British Airways range from £22,831 for a flight attendant to £160,000 for an International Pilot. It's hardly workers exploitation! Now wages are determined by the market place and can rise as quickly as the market determines.
Under the pre-Thatcher Labour government, wage increases were help back to 5% despite high inflation.
Shareholders are not some elite group. Anyone can be a shareholder--virtually all private pension holders. Probably you.
@CloeBuckingham Ah yes, private pensions.. The very same pensions schemes gambled by the financial institutions resulting in huge losses. Anyone can be a share holder? Anyone with sufficient money to buy shares that is, but Haggie Thatcher made absolutely sure that public offerings followed corporate ones, and at a significantly higher price. Wages are currently determined by the employer who is under no obligation to offer more than the absolute minimum & a temporary contract.
@CloeBuckingham You are at least ill informed, or at worst a complete idiot, if you think that the IMF aided any South East Asian country with regards to the economic crash of the 90's. The only country to survive in any meaningful way was Malaysia who refused to take the IMF's advice which was to support their currency at all costs (so that foreign investors could take their money out at a high exchange rate). Every country that did otherwise got totally screwed by spending all their reserves.
@CarajilloDulce I was not referring to IMF "advice", but IMF loans. The IMF lent money to South Korea, which stablised their economy, and which they paid back ahead of schedule.
@CloeBuckingham Thatcher did nothing except dispense with the idea of a functioning society in favour of short term gain and profit taking by the rich. She did her absolute best to dismantle any public services which had been built up by the post war generation. She's a foul and bloody disgrace.
Percent change in real terms 1979/1980 to 1989/90: GDP +23%, Government spending on employment and training +33%, health +32%, and social security +32%.
How is increasing NHS funding dismantling public services?
Thatcher privatised loss making enterprises that were a drain on the Exchequer.
You write in these absurd generalisations: "did nothing except" "absolute best"
@CloeBuckingham You forget how the privatisation of public services or sectors thereof rarely produced any benefit for the end user but certainly enriched the private sector. Were you actually living in the UK in the early eighties? Did you actually experience the effects of Haggie's doctrine of avarice and greed? Judging by your comments about unemployed people not deserving financial help because they'll spend it all on drugs and alcohol you're obviously something of a snob.
@CarajilloDulce Margret Thatcher was a methodist. She had no doctrine of greed. her doctrine was personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is important for people to have a stake in society. It is true that some greedy individuals profited from her policies, but that doesn't make her greedy. She was and is religious.
The private sector is the efficient and productive sector. Enriching it is good for the economy.
@CloeBuckingham Firstly I have never found religious people to be particularly trustworthy or honorable, quite the opposite in fact. As for private sector efficiency, look at the current state of the railways in Britain, record numbers of passengers on some routes so what do the private operators do..... rather than investing in more rolling stock (which platform lengths allow for) they hike ticket prices therefore deterring customers. Short term profit increase.. lousy service!
@CarajilloDulce I agree with you completely about the railroads. I am not in favour of privatising everything. Private monopollies are generally worse than public monopolies. The combination of greed and lack of competition is very damaging. And in general business has been too focussed on the next quarter, not the next five years. Those are all valid points.
I don't praise Thatcher for being a Methodist. I just don't think she was as avaricious as those she unleashed. Her values were different
@CloeBuckingham Thatcher wanted to privatise everything. That was possibly the single biggest problem with her political doctrine.... everything was supposed to make a profit. That included all public services from education and healthcare, to public transport and amenities. She basically dispensed with any idea of a functioning society which would include such in favour of a system based upon profit for the private sector. I lived in the UK and witnessed those actions and their consequences.
@CarajilloDulce "...focus on her actions to see what a bitch she really was." Understand that I like what she did. When I tour the North of England, I don't need to breath the sooty "East German" air from uncompetitive industries. I do not celebrate men dying from black lung.
@CloeBuckingham I don't believe that you ever lived in Britain through Haggie's rule. You claimed that she would not have practiced greed and avarice because she was a Methodist but you forgot that she was above all a hypocrite (as are most politicians). She spouted the usual amount of garbage which, at the end of the day was nothing more than an advertising campaign to gain and hold power. All one had to do was ignore that nonsense and focus on her actions to see what a bitch she really was.
1. Before Thatcher, unions could bring our country to a standstill. She put an end to that.
2. Before Thatcher, plumbers could only plumb, carpenters could only do carpentry, painters could only paint. Now I don't need to hire a painter after the carpenter finishes. S/he can do the job.
3. The highest tax rate is no longer 90%, so I can still work in the UK, not the US, Singapore, etc. The brain drain ends.
4. Thatcher democratised the City of London. Now one hears regional and working class accents among the leaders in the financial services and also at the BBC.
5. Many British industries were producing products nobody wanted to buy and could not compete against Japan and Korea. Thatcher ended taxpayer subsidies.
6. Before Thatcher, brownouts and blackouts were rampant. I haven't heard of a brownout or blackout for 30 years.
7. Thatcher created a culture of opportunity, not class pigeonholes.
She's not liked in Ayrshire either, no wait, come to think of it, only London ( and South Africa) like her.....apparently she trained Tory Bloody Liar in the finer things of life... correction.. in the finer things of lying.
@CloeBuckingham If Thatcher's an "angel" then heaven must be a right shit-hole. All Christy Moore is doing is telling the truth.... something Thatcher had incredible difficulties in doing.
@CarajilloDulce A city lined with cranes is a bad thing? "People demented by grand culture"? "F*** the sick and needy"? With Thatcher's higher NHS spending?
"Kill all Argies was her war cry"? Thatcher showed restraint. Argentina was never invaded, never paid reparations. "10% employment" Doesn't he mean unemployment? Much lower than other parts of Europe at the time.
There is very little truth in that poem, if you mean literal truth, those perhaps it resonates with your hate.
Her political doctrine was one of avarice and greed where everything from basic utilities, through education to healthcare was expected to turn a profit for share holders through privatisation to as great a degree as possible.
I doubt there was "10% employment in the bogside." Perhaps he means unemployment. This is just a misogynist diatribe. Why do men find strong women so threatening?
@CarajilloDulce In what way was Thatcher greedy? She only slept 5 hours a night in service of our interests as Prime Minister. Her values were Methodist.
Just because greedy people could profit in a climate of private enterprise does not make her greedy personally.
@CloeBuckingham where did my milk go at school? thats right she snatched it while idiots like you waved union jacks at a aircraft carrier only running on one engine on its way to the falklands. Thatcher 'the snatcher' she earned that name and rightly so... so remember that while you claim to have her holding OUR interests as a prime minister and her methodist ways. Do you remember Poll Tax? more Greed which backfired and had her out of office the same year! remember these things bootlicker!
@nbrado Did you buy the milk with your money? Taking away handouts is not snatching.
If Thatcher is who you claim she is, she would have privatised the NIH and education. We enjoyed free universal healthcare and primary and secondary education under Thatcher. Don't fixate on something trivial like milk, which probably would have given you "man boobs" anyway.
Poll tax? If everyone can use public services...
So were the rates any more just? A retired widow losing her house owing to high taxes?
@CloeBuckingham oh shut up you apologist boot licker, All she did was spawn horrible little bastards like you and my only regret is the boys didnt blow her to bits with the bathtub bomb in brighton. HA! she spent many a year checking under her car after that didn't she. Shame they didn't catch you also in the blast!. Now fuck off back to the Conservative rock you crawled from. Your idol is a senile old bat who now complains about MILK prices! :D oh how the tables have turned :D
@nbrado Margaret Thatcher saving the UK from collapse is nothing to apologise for. I am proud of her legacy. Thatcher was a true patriot, fighting for our rebate with the EU, which Blair so easily gave up; fighting Argentina's encroachment our lands, when 99% of Falklanders identify themselves as British, not Argentine.
You wanted to see the IRA murder Thatcher. And that does what? Give you the moral high ground? Thatcher never ordered the assassination of any political figure.
Also, there is the issue of what to classify as a drug according to the harm it does to the individual, friends, family, and society. Drugs like heroin cause great harm to the individual, but alcohol can cause great harm to society. Consider fatalities from drink driving. Most people on the dole consume some kind of drug including alcohol. Increasing the dole would likely increase alcohol consumption and be a subsidy to the industry.
@CloeBuckingham I'd like to call bullshit on this one. Do you honestly think working class people consume more drugs harmful to society than bankers and financiers (just as an example)? Cocaine and alcohol are consumed in enormous quantities by those in 'the city'. Furthermore it's patronizing, inaccurate and revealing to put forward the idea that most people who survive on social welfare consume drugs harmful to society. The dole isn't even enough to provide for good nutrition.
@thetexandub I am less concerned about what people consume as when they consume it with my taxes. Of course, I do not condone drug habits among any group.
Two out of three adults in the UK, are social drinkers and there are only 5 million nondrinkers. Most people on the dole are blowing my taxes on alcoholic beverages.
@CloeBuckingham First of all, the whole idea of 'my taxes' needs to stop; once you have paid your tax, it is the property of the people, it is not yours. Second, I reject completely the idea that most people who receive maintenance payments from the government in the form of unemployment insurance or any other are alcoholics; that's a sweeping generalization without evidence, it's also a good indicator of your shameful (and I mean you should be ashamed) class prejudices.
@thetexandub If everyone thought "my taxes," the government might be disallowed from wasting my taxes.
In Asian countries, when people see a young person misbehaving, they have not hesitancy in stopping that person. They do not have ASBOs because everyone feels it is their society. If you see someone on the dole wasting your tax at a pub, you need to confront that person.
I never said that most people on the dole were alcoholics. But why should one penny of my tax be spent on vice?
@CloeBuckingham Wow... which parts of Asia have you lived in? As for yours or anyone's tax dollars being spent on vice.... how about having them used to bail out banks and other financial institutions after they lost huge amounts of money gambling with everything from the public purse to pension funds on ludicrous self developed games of bad loan packages and derivatives. Such excessive gambling is certainly a vice. Meanwhile tax paying citizens have to tighten their belts to keep the rich rich.
@CarajilloDulce I am opposed to privatising profits and socialising losses.
Sometimes a bank bailout might be necessary to prevent economic meltdown; however, taxpayers should take possession of any bank that has been bailed out.
There should be more prosecutions for the fraud that created the banking crisis. The Serious Fraud Office and Securities and Exchange Commission are not doing enough.
@CloeBuckingham The notion of "sometimes" regarding these bailouts is dead. It's now a continuous process because of the levels of debt that have been created keeping the rich wealthy. Then of course, apart from obscene tax breaks for the rich whilst screwing the poor, there are the billions in tax revenues spent on warmongering for profit around the world. Really, you should open your eyes and see where the vast amount of your taxes go before insulting the unemployed by calling them junkies.
@CarajilloDulce The rich still pay more tax than the poor. I didn't call anyone a junkie.
Mohammad's economy was based on plunder. When he invaded, the men of the defeated army were killed, women and children were sold into slavery, and all valuables were confiscated. Mohammad kept one-fifth of the plunder for himself.
Are you suggesting that foreign wars should be self-financed through plunder instead of domestic tax revenues?
@CloeBuckingham Where did I make such a ridiculous suggestion? I originally pointed out that your comment regarding unemployed people being out of their heads on alcohol and drugs was disgraceful. You did not use the term junkie but might as well have done. The idea that a large amount of tax revenue is somehow wasted on these poor people on the basis that they are all out of their heads on alcohol and drugs is also ludicrous. Far more is wasted on warmongering and keeping the rich wealthy.
@CarajilloDulce "Israel will never amount to anything more than a terrorist state whilst it pursues it's current policies based on greed and a lust for land and power. Their practice of apartheid, and the violence they exercise against their neighbours shows that the rulers of Israel have learnt nothing from the horrendous persecution of the Jewish people in the holocaust with them now behaving little better than it's Nazi architects."
@CloeBuckingham That's a disgraceful thing to say. The bulk of unemployed people struggle to survive on the scraps left over after the rich have taken as much as they can. Re-distribute this wealth and plough it into building a functioning society where education and health care are not required to make a profit, and where public services are there for the benefit of all the citizens and not as another fat little cash cow for the rich. Money IS the rich man's drug of choice.
@CarajilloDulce Your comment sounds ideological and quasi-religious. I prefer practical solutions.
Perhaps instead of having a dole, the government should simply provide food and shelter. Then we would not have the concern about people drinking or sniffing our tax money away.
Many taxpayers don't believe in taking alcohol (e.g., Muslims, Buddhists). It is a slap in their face that their taxes should be spent on alcohol and other drugs. It's like asking Jews to donate to the holocaust.
@CloeBuckingham Sorry, religion's not my thing.. Maybe we should simply make sure that the rich pay their taxes.... after all, most of the people I know who sniff coke, screw hookers, and get drunk are rich people. My poor friends can't afford that life style. Not that I've anything against hookers and coke, fast cars or champagne. Been there, done that. If someone wishes to sell the hours of their life for that shit ain't no thing, Just don't do it at another person's expense.
You said, "not where there is squalor and drugs and no hope." I said, "AS FOR THOSE who enjoy recreational drugs, yes, it is difficult to support a drug habit in the UK owing to the high costs of banned substances. But should we really increase the dole for that reason?" (emphasis mine). You said, "not everybody on the dole is on drugs." Where did I say that everyone was?
@CloeBuckingham Boring, but I will respond. As you refer to drug taking and an increase in the dole (ha-ha) you are clearly suggesting that the 2 are inter-connected. After which you assume that "most people on the dole consume some kind of drug including alcohol." I rest my case. Away and pat bricks at yourself Chloe. You wouldn't know realism (yours or anybody else's) if it jumped up and bit you on the arse. I'm done with your patronising clap trap. Goodbye.
What a load of boring droning ancient history shit this is. More concerned about 2011 not 1979. What about Labour having an "Open door" immigration policy and swamping the country with immigrants allowing third world trash to live here and foisting a multi-cultural society on us without us having a say in the matter.
To be honestest she is a better leader then what we have now. You snobs have forgotten what being British is. She is the only leader who cared about our soldiers unlike Gordon Brown who has spelling mistakes in letters to the grieving families. Also miss pronouncing soldiers names in parliament. Thatcher sunk ships because she thought they were a threat. You don't see the government today even providing our soldiers with proper equipment. Fuck the lot of you. IRON LADY ALL THE WAY!
@borofalcon101 Thatcher lied about the Belgrano because she knew it was wrong and she lauded a man who had killed and tortured more than 30,000 people because they supported democracy. She was a leader because weak men followed her but she is morally bankrupt. No doubt our leaders will commend her when she dies like the Americans honoured Reagan who would have been the worst ever president had G.W. not come after him. If honouring Thatcher is being British please let me forget too.
@spoonfulofdreams Singing the Belgrano was not wrong, and even the captain of the Belgrano has admitted that. The exclusion zone only applies to commercial vessels, not military vessels. The Argies sand British vessels and continued to do so.
Christy Moore tells it like it is. Thatcher's doctrine of avarice and greed dispensed with any idea of a functioning society in Britain. Money became the drug of choice, and material acquisition the high. Once hooked, the addicts discarded morality and compassion in favour of profit and short term material gain. Any idea of a healthy, well educated, cohesive society was lost, and look at them now.... rioting for a new pair of trainers, some crappy designer clothes, or a new television.
@CarajilloDulce Conservative ideology has always been based on greed, on class division, on the strong having a right to oppress the weak. What Thatcher did was legitimise this, she made it morally acceptable to be morally bankrupt. The right-wing values numbers, it worships the GDP and disregards the sum of human happiness and human suffering. It's time we joined with our brothers and sisters in the US, Chile, Australia and more, in reclaiming our democracies. OCCUPY, STRIKE, STAND UP.
@thetexandub OK, well, non-participation is one place to start. Life is so much more than being a good little consumer, addicted to material acquisition. It was quite sad to see the young people rioting with the sole apparent aim of getting new trainers, a new TV, and a bottle of vodka or two. Get pissed and feel successful wearing new trainers whilst watching TV, just like good little consumers are supposed to. Kick the addiction and live a little. We are often slaves by our own device. Peace.
@thetexandub It's a kind of nonsense you write. Conservative ideology used to be called liberalism. It is the idea of Locke that we are born with natural rights not to be oppressed.
@CloeBuckingham lol you need to read up a bit more before making a blanket statement like 'Conservative ideology used to be called liberalism', Thatcher and Cameron (who are part of the neoliberal faction of the Conservative Party) are not pure liberals, and Conservative ideology has never been limited to liberalism. Neoliberalism may be the dominant ideological tendency in the Conservative Party now, but it is still exercised within a conservative framework.
@thetexandub Furthermore, the Conservative Party, and Conservative Ideology both existed long before liberalism became the dominant ideological tendency of the Conservative party. From then till now, it has been based on greed - both conservatism and neoliberalism are based on greed, and while class division and oppression of the weak are not stated aims of neoliberalism (they are of conservatism), they are inevitable by-products, upon which the continuation of the system relies.
@thetexandub That's why I think it's fair to say conservatism and Conservative ideology have always been based upon greed, class division and the right of the strong to oppress the weak. By the way, I have studied Locke, Hume, Rousseau, J.S. Mill and Adam Smith; I'm more than familiar with liberalism.
@thetexandub One slight point of clarification - when I said 'both conservatism and neoliberalism are based on greed' I was refering specifically to the socio-economic structures they demand.
@CarajilloDulce You have misread Thatcher completely. Her values come from strict Methodism. That her belief in personal and economic freedom unleashed other people's greed was an unintended consequence.
@CloeBuckingham I don't recognise Methodism in anything Thatcher concocted. She came to power thinking she was another Winston Churchill. Her monetarist policies were a disaster and she was only saved by the Falklands war which is what Cristy is talking about. She is our George W. only she's not funny. Anyone who welcomed Pinochet is either a heartless monster, a complete idiot or totally ignorant and she was neither stupid nor ignorant. Wesley believed in society unlike that witch.
@spoonfulofdreams Just to add a note of support for what you've said, I'd say Methodist beliefs are completely incompatible with supporting a dictator who used torture, including massive (sometimes fatal) electrical shocks, with electrodes being placed in/on the mouth and genitals of both men and women, to punish dissent. There is no way that Thatcher was unaware that Pinochet used torture.
@CloeBuckingham No, the UK was not like East Germany? What a stupid suggestion. Did you even live there in that time? By the way, there's quite a bit of info on the internet about you being a cyber stalker, have you noticed that?
What I dont understand is why the Scandinavian system isnt spreading. I mean, we rank nr1 EVERY year acording to UN. Why is our system not addopted by other countries?
@JoeRingo118 That doesnt actually matter. My ant has a bachelor in state science and that isnt quite true. If you do the calculations, it shouldnt be any harder to keep up social democrasy even if there were more people.
@gulbirk and also the fact that our countries isn´t that nice if you understand.
when people think of scandinavia they think its an ice age up here and that polar bears are roaming the streets XD... if they think of our system then they think the system is about breeding and killing seals or keeping the polar bears and yetis out of our houses.
@JoeRingo118 What are you even talking about now? That means nothing. We rank Nr1 acording to the UN. Is it because they believe we have such a jolly time hunting polar animals. No, its because we are good at almost everything. Healthcare, education, work (employed VS un-employed) people belowe the poverty line, etc.
@JoeRingo118 Again, you are making no sense. Yes, I know that we are not a famous country, thats not what im arguing against. Im asking, why doesnt our system addopt to other countries?
@gulbirk because... no... one... caaaaareees. if we asked the president of russia where sweden is on the map then there would be one hell of a chance that he doesn´t answer, because he doesn´t know.
''we shouldn´t adopt the system of a country i never heard about...''
@JoeRingo118 Actually I think he does, because thats Russia (not that far away). Yes, I understand that we arent very famous. But there are debates going on EVERY year oh how to controll the sountry one live in. Are you saying no leaders will take the time to consider that there might be a reason why we are ranked nr1 by the EU?
dirty old rat and insufferable wretch of human filth, vile, disgusting, and repulsive degenerate, right-wing Tory hypocrite war-mongering lying power hungry evil vixen
Another load of complete fucking bullshit. I'm not a fan of Thatcher, but this bitter Irish cunt just uses it as another excuse to Brit bash....funny how these fucking Irish always talk about what we do but ignore the fact they treat eachother like shit. The Falklands are ours, so fuck off
@JimBell1984 ourself? lol. im norwegian. and i understand why the irish hate the british considering you colonised them, banned their religion and culture. pluss the fact that the population in ireland declined with 3\4 under british rule. and when you continue to okupy northen ireland its pretty easy to understand why they bitch
@janisakironmaiden that just goes to show how much you know about Irish history! banned their culture and religion? when did this happen exactly? the population never declined that much, what an ignorant comment to make. It's as if the only sources you've read are anti English publications written in the 1600s....you dimwit. And there are plenty in N Ireland who want to remain part of Britain, over a half. Do some real research dickhead
@JimBell1984 you dont know the brits banned roman catolisism? you need to do some reaserch. i guess you dont know it was illegal for catolics to own land for hundreds of years. or that the brits eksported food from ireland during the potato famine. and check out wikipedia for the decline of population in ireland. if you reed some of this with an open mind. you will be turned away from imperialsm
@janisakironmaiden it's all good you just saying these things, but where is your evidence? I know Catholics were banned from being landowners, but Catholicism was never banned. I am not imperialist...AND WIKIPEDIA IS FULL OF SHIT ON SO MANY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS!!! you're missing out the potatoe famine which was not our fault, the Prods suffered as well, cunt. Instead of reading bullshit internet articles why don't you read some books by proper scholars who don't have an agenda. Tosser
@JimBell1984 yeah shure the prots suffered during the potato famine. but how many of them starved to death? and if youre not imperealist. why do you always defend the imperealists? i saw on youre chanel that you have family from northern ireland. i guess protestant. and it wouldent surprise me if they are UVF\UDA suporters. how many books about this writen by non british have you read?
Prods did suffer too you moron, that isn't even up for debate. Name one time I defended imperialists? I just commented on how Irish republicans (and their supporters) just Brit bash, that's all you do.Yeah, I am a Prod and so are they...problem? I had family in the Army from that side who served with loyal Catholic men, there was never such a problem until the 60s....but i suppose you'd know that. I have read a few dickhead, and it doesn't matter about being British or not, it is about bias
@JimBell1984 youre family were british soldiers and you claim to be unbiased? and i dont bash brits in general. i just bash imperealists and the british army. i also love how british your debating technique is. so fare you have called me dimwit, dickhead, tosser and cunt. and when you say there never was such a problem until the 60s youre just wrong. yeah the PIRA dident exist until 69 but the OIRA was aurond since the irish war of liberation.
@JimBell1984 would u get a hold of yourself? english are some of the most boring,pastie looking moany fuckers on gods earth,why are you even typing this crap on here,are you disputing the fact that maggie thatcher was a cunt? most english guys i know would agree she was,so what is your problem? as for the norwegian guy,he obviously knows right from wrong when he sees it,good man!
Thatcher and her doctrine of greed and avarice were responsible for dispensing with any idea of a functioning society in favour of short term economic gain. The rights of corporations began to exceed the rights of the citizen, and private sector parasites were encouraged to profit from every sector of society including healthcare, education, and the basic utilities. The trend continued through "New Labour" to the crass conservatives of the present day. A vile and selfish woman to be sure.
I firmly believe that every dog has its day..this evil woman was the biggest terrorist of all and now her brain is slowly rotting away. Its is god's way of trying to erase all the filthy acts this woman has committed
@CloeBuckingham Tell that to Maggie Thatcher...she has been taking pleasure in the suffering of others for decades. If she was that concerned about the wellbeing of others she wouldnt have sat back and let people die in filth ridden cells. Your right - it is ugly
@GMarie4 We will have to agree to disagree. You think terrorists should be treated as prisoners of war. Thatcher thought they should be treated as criminals. I think they should be tried and executed for treason.
If a person refuses food and dies of starvation, we cannot say that the person was murdered by Margaret Thatcher for not caving into the demands of that person. If Thatcher were the sort of person to cave into demands, she would not have the credibility to revolutionise Britain.
its funny i bet half the people argueing werent even fucking born during the thatcher era!these guys would want to get a life and move on.she did bad,the ira did bad get over it!!god in heaven theres nothing worse than listening to the friday night provos talking through there arses...booby sands this bobby sands that...YOU WERENT EVEN AROUND WHEN THESE GUYS WERE SO SHUT UP!!!innocent people are still dieing because theres certain fuckheads keep jumping on the bandwagon!
Argentine and Irish Goverment should call for the World courts to summon her to answer for her War Crimes. I see no difference between her and other War criminals who have already been brought to justice.
@tysonthepooper To respond to your shockingly ignorant statement:
Argentina, in breach of international law invaded the Falklands (UK) without proper declaration of War. They then proceded to be condemned by the International community, including the Americans, lose very badly and showed that South American conscripts with poor training and even poorer morale could be obliterarted by a well trained NATO army.
I elect not to go into the IRA's war crimes, I don't have the characters left...
@B2010X The Malvinas were given to Argentina by the Spanish. No one wanted to live there except a select group of Huns that liked sheep more than the women of their own country. The USA condemned the repatriation of the Malvinas by Argentina but Reagan told good old Maggie Thatcher she would not be able to fill her oil tanks in the USA since there might be some conflict with our Monroe Doctrine. The Hun would not have given a fuck if oil had been discovered in the waters of the Malvinas..
@B2010X eh have u looked at an atlas or a globe during your lifetime? see where england is,and where the falklands are? how the fuck can england lay claim to it? perhaps it broke off and floated away from ye? i wonder which countries made these international laws u speak of?
@tysonthepooper To respond to your shockingly ignorant statement:
Argentina, in breach of international law invaded the Falklands (UK) without proper declaration of War. They then proceded to be condemned by the International community, including the Americans, lose very badly and showed that South American conscripts with poor training and even poorer morale could be obliterarted by a well trained NATO army.
I elect not to go into the IRA's war crimes, I don't have the characters left....
CHRISTY MOORE GREAT SINGER AND INDEED IN MANY WAYS LIKE EVERYONE;-) BUT UNFORTUNATLY HE HAS IN MY EYES GOT IT WRONG HERE ABOUT EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BLAMING HER POLICIES FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD BE PERCIEVD ABOUT BEING GREEDY ABOUT THE CELTIC TIGER, OUR OWN IMPLEMENTED IT AND WE ALL CARRIED IT OUT FOR WHAT EVER REASONS! WE ALL LIVE WITH HISTORY AND CHARACHTER ASSINATION AND INDEED ALL KINDS OF ASSINATION, BEST NOT TO MAKE SURE THE FUTURE DIES FOR WE COULD BE IT'S PRESENT;-)
If it wasnt for thst old fat ugly bastard, britain would be a more productive country, the car industry, iron ans steel,coalmining, if it wasnt for her, their would be jobs for people. And god only knows what david cameron has planned. Past the spendin cuts and tax rises
That's one of the many flaws in the arguments for pit closures. The Tories always claim they were losing money, but any losses were temporary, and nowhere near the cost of closures. Aside from the financial cost (100 billion, plus longterm benefits for sacked miners in jobless areas) there's the inestimable human costs, and these are the reason for the searing hatred felt for this woman. The one saving grace is that she assured the Tories' continuing failures in elections. They're detested.
God love Thatcher! She saved the UK!
CloeBuckingham 2 weeks ago
I urge every one to protest the upcoming film about the bitch--I am serious lawfully protest--I have urged Occupy movements to do this
vivascargill1 3 weeks ago
Chloe doesn't have many frineds, largely because her head is full of whacky rightwing cowshit of the kind she pukes onto youtube threads for the amusement of the majority of sane people who detest that cunt Thatcher and her bastard spawn in unelected power at the moment.
Go and find a boyfriend Chloe. Try the monday club.
freddo27 4 weeks ago 5
@freddo27 So you cannot find fault with my points, so you need to attack me personally, right?
CloeBuckingham 2 weeks ago
shut up you bogweed cunt !
theblackmafia71 1 month ago
Christy Moore is a great poet, musician, and songwriter. Thatcher was a warmongering harpy who inflicted government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich upon the British public dispensing with any idea of an inclusive functioning society in favour of short term profits for an elitist few.
CarajilloDulce 1 month ago
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@CarajilloDulce Thatcher did not make war. Argentina did. She defended a British overseas territory when it was attacked. Should we have betrayed British subjects? 99% of the residents on the Falklands voted in a referendum to stay in the UK.
She was not a harpy either. First, to use such a term is sexist. You wouldn't apply it to man. Second, Thatcher failed to snatch from the taxpayer. She was the anti-harpy.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CloeBuckingham Thatcher snatched 100 billion pounds from the taxpayer to attack the miners, and she made the taxpayer subsidise the council house selloffs. She made the taxpayers pay 3 times as much in poll tax as they were paying in rates before she flogged off the services to stuff wads of cash into city slickers pockets. She made the taxpayer pay for her "tell sid" capmaign to try to sell us shares in things we already owned before she stole it. Shall I go on?
MrPercyThrowup 4 weeks ago 8
He said 10% employment in the Bogside, a Catholic area of Derry City where the population were treated like second class citizens and had no hope of getting work. Dont doubt Christy, and oh, were having a party when thatcher dies..
joethelegend 1 month ago
@joethelegend Oh, you mean that Catholic neighbourhood outside Londonderry's walls. To my knowledge, unemployment is not calculated at a neighbourhood basis. So you mean 90% of those hoodlums were thriving on my taxes?
The UVF was formed in 1966; there was a march in 1968; the Battle of the Bogside started in 1969. The violence peaked in 1972. Thatcher did great work in reducing it in the 1980s. She never caved in to the terrorists, despite their attempt on her life in October 1984 in Brighton.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
8. Before Thatcher, other PMs just let the UK and commonwealth crumble. In a referendum, 99% of the residents of the Falklands voted to remain British. Thatcher supported them.
9. Thatcher got the UK the rebate from the EC (EU), which Blair so easily gave away. Our agriculture is efficient. Why prop up the criminals in Italy claiming subsidies on non arable land?
10. Against the will of the Tories, Thatcher kept us out of the Euro. Well, thank goodness for that! Where is the Euro now?
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Gosh... a 10 point arse kiss of Haggie Thatcher. How do you find the time! Where to start? What's so great about deindustrialisation? Britain now produces very little and imports a lot. Reforming inefficient industries is one thing, destroying them (as Thattcher did) is another. You forgot to mention the subsidies in the forms of rent free land, free power, and tax breaks used to lure foreign companies to the UK where they could employ citizens on low paid temporary contracts.
CarajilloDulce 1 month ago
@CarajilloDulce I think what you don't realise is that Britain's old economy was unsustainable, based on ever more taxpayers' subsidies for industries that were ever less competitive with Japan and other countries. Britain used to have a motorcycle industry. You cannot blame Thatcher for its demise. It had already been wiped out.
It is unfair to talk about deindustrialisation. Yes, there is less pollution and soot in the air, but the UK has many industries. They are just not as dirty.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CarajilloDulce I don't know why you think there is something wrong with low paid temporary contracts. If you want to earn money, create value. Value is determined by the marketplace. People like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates figured out how to create value despite not finishing university. Those who study hard, win scholarships, can find opportunities. Neil Kinnock was a product of the grammar schools.
Thatcher did not destroy industries. They did that to themselves. She just stopped subsidising.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CloeBuckingham Of course, these incentives to foreign companies were only available for a few years, after which the countries moved to, for example Poland, for a better deal. Britain of course was busy importing coal from Poland (rather than digging it out of UK pits) because it was cheaper in the short term. Ever noticed how many Polish people left their country to work abroad because of the appalling wages and conditions from those times? Thatcher would see such conditions for UK workers.
CarajilloDulce 1 month ago
@CarajilloDulce Now there is mobility within the EU, so let UK workers move to where they can find the best conditions. Oh, I forgot. They are monoglots and refuse to adapt to life elsewhere.
Adaptable people will always succeed. Many working class entrepreneurs created value for consumers and became wealthy in ways that would not have been possible previously.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CloeBuckingham Your reference to the citizens of the UK as "monoglots" just reinforces my opinion that you are simply a snob massaging your ego by making comments on You Tube. Your selfish ill informed opinions do not interest me. Have fun.
CarajilloDulce 1 month ago 2
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@CarajilloDulce I was not referring to the Queen's subjects as monoglots. It is just hard for me to imagine Welsh coal miners moving to Poland and speaking Polish. Poles of all classes have shown more adaptability in learning foreign languages.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CloeBuckingham With record 3 million unemployment under Thatcher she kindly cut free milk for school children and dispensed with nutritional standards laid down for school meals. The London Observer was not alone in reporting "up to 2 million British children are suffering ill-health and stunted growth because of malnutrition" as a result of "poverty on a scale not seen since the 1930s." Child poverty increased 3 fold under Thatcher's government with 1 in 3 babies being born into poverty.
CarajilloDulce 1 month ago
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@CarajilloDulce Basically, what you are saying is that if B has a child, it is okay to tax A to pay for the child's food. But I think that B should first think, "Can I afford this child?" A might be a responsible person who is financially planning for when a child is affordable. Now you are stealing from responsible B to pay for irresponsible A's behaviour. It makes no sense. Nobody should have children until that person has sufficient funds to pay for the expenses of those children.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CloeBuckingham You talk about pre-Thatcher power black outs (I remember them well). I also remember the number of poor people who had their gas, electricty, telephones, and water cut off permanently under Haggie's regime as newly privatised utilities favoured more affluent customers. The result of these and other austere measures upon the society as a whole was to see, amongst other things, the rise in previously well contained and preventable diseases, primarily in children.
CarajilloDulce 1 month ago
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@CarajilloDulce Are you saying that those who did not pay for their services lost them? That is normal! LOL!
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CloeBuckingham As the saying goes, "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics" the latter I see that you love to quote, so here's one for you. Even after the dismantlement of industry causing massive (record) unemployment, and privatising basic amenities and public services to the point of depriving school children of free milk, after 17 years of Thatcherite rule, the same 42.25% of GDP was going on public spending as when she took over. Private sector profits, public services deteriorate.
CarajilloDulce 1 month ago
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@CarajilloDulce Free milk? There is nothing free in life except air. Someone has to pay for it.
Thatcher got people to stop thinking they could behave irresponsibly and get someone else to pay for it. Because as Thatcher pointed out, eventually you run out of other people's money.
There was record unemployment? That's normal and temporary in the transition from a planned economy to a market economy. Consider East Germany.
Hitler at Stalin were great at making 0% unemployment. It's slavery.
CloeBuckingham 1 month ago
@CloeBuckingham Air is free at the moment, but if this stupid, usueless,, braindead old sack of shit had her way they'd have metered that too.
MrPercyThrowup 4 weeks ago 7
@CloeBuckingham Yes, like we all had to pay for this fucking old slag to stuff undeserving city pockets with the cash we worked to create, after she flogged our utilities to overseas entrepreneurs. May she rot slowly in boiling demon piss for eternity. Hideous old sack of vomit.
London2272 4 weeks ago 8
@London2272 The key point is that when I flick a switch, I get electricity. How much better is it today than those pre-Thatcher days of brownouts and blackouts. Do I really need to care who "owns" the utility company?! I care about the reliable delivery of electricity. Thatcher gave me that.
CloeBuckingham 2 weeks ago
It is today possible to buy "I Still Hate Thatcher" T-shirts, an honour which has not been bestowed upon any other British Prime Minister living or dead!
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce In Russia, it is still possible to buy "I love Stalin" t-shirts. The fact that there are large groups of people who worship mass murders like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, or who hate the bulwarks against them, like Churchill and Thatcher, means nothing.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
Margaret Thatcher democratised capitalism. People could buy their council flats. People could buy shares in British Gas when it IPO'd with a minimum investment of just £150.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Yeah they could buy shares in British gas but at a far higher price than the first corporate issue. Then look at the huge increase in their gas bills! What's so great about selling of council housing? The idea was that low income families could have affordable rented housing. Sell them off and the bottom rung becomes private landlords charging the earth for shitholes which is exactly what happened. Where were you living in the 80"s?
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
What a deluded Irish clown
31bellairavenue 2 months ago
It is hard to think of a human being who loved her country more than Margaret Thatcher, nor one who was more courageous in rebuilding her country.
Thatcher was elected by huge majorities. When she came to power, the UK was the sick man of Europe, coming out of the endless strikes of the Winter of Discontent, having to borrow from the IMF like some Third World shithole.
Thatcher created a competitive economy with half the unemployment of France and Germany.
We love you Maggie!
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham She was nothing but a greedy harpy who dispensed with any idea of a functioning society in Britain in favour of short term financial gain. You talk about her as if she were against the IMF but when Britain was finally rid of her she toured South East Asia promoting not only her selfish doctrine but also those policies of the IMF which ended in the financial crash of the mid-late 90's in the region. Were you even living in the UK in the early 80's? I doubt it.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce That's not what historians are saying.
I never said that Thatcher was opposed to the IMF. But at least she was able to pay off those IMF loans that the Labour government had assumed. Yes, the IMF also helped Korea during the Asian financial crisis.
Under Thatcher, all those loss making enterprises, BP, BT, BA, BG, became profitable.
The pre-Thatcher was destined to collapse. You can't have such a subsidised economy in the long term.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham The businesses you quote became more profitable from the point of view of the owners and share holders. The workers and society in general benefited not because of the lucrative tax breaks Haggie Thatcher made available to make the rich just that little bit richer. Workers in the mean time had to settle for diminished rights (as did the population of Britain in general), and lack of job security through the introduction of temporary contracts.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce Salaries at British Airways range from £22,831 for a flight attendant to £160,000 for an International Pilot. It's hardly workers exploitation! Now wages are determined by the market place and can rise as quickly as the market determines.
Under the pre-Thatcher Labour government, wage increases were help back to 5% despite high inflation.
Shareholders are not some elite group. Anyone can be a shareholder--virtually all private pension holders. Probably you.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Ah yes, private pensions.. The very same pensions schemes gambled by the financial institutions resulting in huge losses. Anyone can be a share holder? Anyone with sufficient money to buy shares that is, but Haggie Thatcher made absolutely sure that public offerings followed corporate ones, and at a significantly higher price. Wages are currently determined by the employer who is under no obligation to offer more than the absolute minimum & a temporary contract.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham You are at least ill informed, or at worst a complete idiot, if you think that the IMF aided any South East Asian country with regards to the economic crash of the 90's. The only country to survive in any meaningful way was Malaysia who refused to take the IMF's advice which was to support their currency at all costs (so that foreign investors could take their money out at a high exchange rate). Every country that did otherwise got totally screwed by spending all their reserves.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce I was not referring to IMF "advice", but IMF loans. The IMF lent money to South Korea, which stablised their economy, and which they paid back ahead of schedule.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Thatcher did nothing except dispense with the idea of a functioning society in favour of short term gain and profit taking by the rich. She did her absolute best to dismantle any public services which had been built up by the post war generation. She's a foul and bloody disgrace.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce Do you bother to check your facts?
Percent change in real terms 1979/1980 to 1989/90: GDP +23%, Government spending on employment and training +33%, health +32%, and social security +32%.
How is increasing NHS funding dismantling public services?
Thatcher privatised loss making enterprises that were a drain on the Exchequer.
You write in these absurd generalisations: "did nothing except" "absolute best"
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham You forget how the privatisation of public services or sectors thereof rarely produced any benefit for the end user but certainly enriched the private sector. Were you actually living in the UK in the early eighties? Did you actually experience the effects of Haggie's doctrine of avarice and greed? Judging by your comments about unemployed people not deserving financial help because they'll spend it all on drugs and alcohol you're obviously something of a snob.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce Margret Thatcher was a methodist. She had no doctrine of greed. her doctrine was personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is important for people to have a stake in society. It is true that some greedy individuals profited from her policies, but that doesn't make her greedy. She was and is religious.
The private sector is the efficient and productive sector. Enriching it is good for the economy.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Firstly I have never found religious people to be particularly trustworthy or honorable, quite the opposite in fact. As for private sector efficiency, look at the current state of the railways in Britain, record numbers of passengers on some routes so what do the private operators do..... rather than investing in more rolling stock (which platform lengths allow for) they hike ticket prices therefore deterring customers. Short term profit increase.. lousy service!
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce I agree with you completely about the railroads. I am not in favour of privatising everything. Private monopollies are generally worse than public monopolies. The combination of greed and lack of competition is very damaging. And in general business has been too focussed on the next quarter, not the next five years. Those are all valid points.
I don't praise Thatcher for being a Methodist. I just don't think she was as avaricious as those she unleashed. Her values were different
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Thatcher wanted to privatise everything. That was possibly the single biggest problem with her political doctrine.... everything was supposed to make a profit. That included all public services from education and healthcare, to public transport and amenities. She basically dispensed with any idea of a functioning society which would include such in favour of a system based upon profit for the private sector. I lived in the UK and witnessed those actions and their consequences.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce "...focus on her actions to see what a bitch she really was." Understand that I like what she did. When I tour the North of England, I don't need to breath the sooty "East German" air from uncompetitive industries. I do not celebrate men dying from black lung.
Industries: machine tools, electronics, communications, electric power, automation, shipbuilding, aircraft, vehicles, parts, chemicals, coal, petroleum, paper products, food processing, textiles, clothing, consumer goods
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham I don't believe that you ever lived in Britain through Haggie's rule. You claimed that she would not have practiced greed and avarice because she was a Methodist but you forgot that she was above all a hypocrite (as are most politicians). She spouted the usual amount of garbage which, at the end of the day was nothing more than an advertising campaign to gain and hold power. All one had to do was ignore that nonsense and focus on her actions to see what a bitch she really was.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce I see her actions as good:
1. Before Thatcher, unions could bring our country to a standstill. She put an end to that.
2. Before Thatcher, plumbers could only plumb, carpenters could only do carpentry, painters could only paint. Now I don't need to hire a painter after the carpenter finishes. S/he can do the job.
3. The highest tax rate is no longer 90%, so I can still work in the UK, not the US, Singapore, etc. The brain drain ends.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
4. Thatcher democratised the City of London. Now one hears regional and working class accents among the leaders in the financial services and also at the BBC.
5. Many British industries were producing products nobody wanted to buy and could not compete against Japan and Korea. Thatcher ended taxpayer subsidies.
6. Before Thatcher, brownouts and blackouts were rampant. I haven't heard of a brownout or blackout for 30 years.
7. Thatcher created a culture of opportunity, not class pigeonholes.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
She's not liked in Ayrshire either, no wait, come to think of it, only London ( and South Africa) like her.....apparently she trained Tory Bloody Liar in the finer things of life... correction.. in the finer things of lying.
MrLordhawks 2 months ago
i hated thatcher but what a load of mickrick shit. fuck off!
geelong1961 2 months ago
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Like the majority of people in the UK, I'll be celebrating when she's on her way to hell.
busterjones 2 months ago
@busterjones I also! heres hoping they put her in a cardboard box!
nbrado 2 months ago
fuck maggie thatcher
MrIrishrover2011 2 months ago
@MrIrishrover2011 Bless, Maggie Thatcher, the angel.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham If Thatcher's an "angel" then heaven must be a right shit-hole. All Christy Moore is doing is telling the truth.... something Thatcher had incredible difficulties in doing.
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce A city lined with cranes is a bad thing? "People demented by grand culture"? "F*** the sick and needy"? With Thatcher's higher NHS spending?
"Kill all Argies was her war cry"? Thatcher showed restraint. Argentina was never invaded, never paid reparations. "10% employment" Doesn't he mean unemployment? Much lower than other parts of Europe at the time.
There is very little truth in that poem, if you mean literal truth, those perhaps it resonates with your hate.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
Her political doctrine was one of avarice and greed where everything from basic utilities, through education to healthcare was expected to turn a profit for share holders through privatisation to as great a degree as possible.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
I doubt there was "10% employment in the bogside." Perhaps he means unemployment. This is just a misogynist diatribe. Why do men find strong women so threatening?
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham What a lot of sexist nonsense. Thatcher wasn't threatening, just malicious, greedy, and vain to the point of exhaustion.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce In what way was Thatcher greedy? She only slept 5 hours a night in service of our interests as Prime Minister. Her values were Methodist.
Just because greedy people could profit in a climate of private enterprise does not make her greedy personally.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham where did my milk go at school? thats right she snatched it while idiots like you waved union jacks at a aircraft carrier only running on one engine on its way to the falklands. Thatcher 'the snatcher' she earned that name and rightly so... so remember that while you claim to have her holding OUR interests as a prime minister and her methodist ways. Do you remember Poll Tax? more Greed which backfired and had her out of office the same year! remember these things bootlicker!
nbrado 2 months ago
@nbrado Did you buy the milk with your money? Taking away handouts is not snatching.
If Thatcher is who you claim she is, she would have privatised the NIH and education. We enjoyed free universal healthcare and primary and secondary education under Thatcher. Don't fixate on something trivial like milk, which probably would have given you "man boobs" anyway.
Poll tax? If everyone can use public services...
So were the rates any more just? A retired widow losing her house owing to high taxes?
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham oh shut up you apologist boot licker, All she did was spawn horrible little bastards like you and my only regret is the boys didnt blow her to bits with the bathtub bomb in brighton. HA! she spent many a year checking under her car after that didn't she. Shame they didn't catch you also in the blast!. Now fuck off back to the Conservative rock you crawled from. Your idol is a senile old bat who now complains about MILK prices! :D oh how the tables have turned :D
nbrado 2 months ago
@nbrado Margaret Thatcher saving the UK from collapse is nothing to apologise for. I am proud of her legacy. Thatcher was a true patriot, fighting for our rebate with the EU, which Blair so easily gave up; fighting Argentina's encroachment our lands, when 99% of Falklanders identify themselves as British, not Argentine.
You wanted to see the IRA murder Thatcher. And that does what? Give you the moral high ground? Thatcher never ordered the assassination of any political figure.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham oh and at 33 you wouldnt know much about it, being you were sucking on a lollypop and also was deprived of milk!
nbrado 2 months ago
Also, there is the issue of what to classify as a drug according to the harm it does to the individual, friends, family, and society. Drugs like heroin cause great harm to the individual, but alcohol can cause great harm to society. Consider fatalities from drink driving. Most people on the dole consume some kind of drug including alcohol. Increasing the dole would likely increase alcohol consumption and be a subsidy to the industry.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham I'd like to call bullshit on this one. Do you honestly think working class people consume more drugs harmful to society than bankers and financiers (just as an example)? Cocaine and alcohol are consumed in enormous quantities by those in 'the city'. Furthermore it's patronizing, inaccurate and revealing to put forward the idea that most people who survive on social welfare consume drugs harmful to society. The dole isn't even enough to provide for good nutrition.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@thetexandub I am less concerned about what people consume as when they consume it with my taxes. Of course, I do not condone drug habits among any group.
Two out of three adults in the UK, are social drinkers and there are only 5 million nondrinkers. Most people on the dole are blowing my taxes on alcoholic beverages.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham First of all, the whole idea of 'my taxes' needs to stop; once you have paid your tax, it is the property of the people, it is not yours. Second, I reject completely the idea that most people who receive maintenance payments from the government in the form of unemployment insurance or any other are alcoholics; that's a sweeping generalization without evidence, it's also a good indicator of your shameful (and I mean you should be ashamed) class prejudices.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@thetexandub If everyone thought "my taxes," the government might be disallowed from wasting my taxes.
In Asian countries, when people see a young person misbehaving, they have not hesitancy in stopping that person. They do not have ASBOs because everyone feels it is their society. If you see someone on the dole wasting your tax at a pub, you need to confront that person.
I never said that most people on the dole were alcoholics. But why should one penny of my tax be spent on vice?
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Wow... which parts of Asia have you lived in? As for yours or anyone's tax dollars being spent on vice.... how about having them used to bail out banks and other financial institutions after they lost huge amounts of money gambling with everything from the public purse to pension funds on ludicrous self developed games of bad loan packages and derivatives. Such excessive gambling is certainly a vice. Meanwhile tax paying citizens have to tighten their belts to keep the rich rich.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce I am opposed to privatising profits and socialising losses.
Sometimes a bank bailout might be necessary to prevent economic meltdown; however, taxpayers should take possession of any bank that has been bailed out.
There should be more prosecutions for the fraud that created the banking crisis. The Serious Fraud Office and Securities and Exchange Commission are not doing enough.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham The notion of "sometimes" regarding these bailouts is dead. It's now a continuous process because of the levels of debt that have been created keeping the rich wealthy. Then of course, apart from obscene tax breaks for the rich whilst screwing the poor, there are the billions in tax revenues spent on warmongering for profit around the world. Really, you should open your eyes and see where the vast amount of your taxes go before insulting the unemployed by calling them junkies.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce The rich still pay more tax than the poor. I didn't call anyone a junkie.
Mohammad's economy was based on plunder. When he invaded, the men of the defeated army were killed, women and children were sold into slavery, and all valuables were confiscated. Mohammad kept one-fifth of the plunder for himself.
Are you suggesting that foreign wars should be self-financed through plunder instead of domestic tax revenues?
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Where did I make such a ridiculous suggestion? I originally pointed out that your comment regarding unemployed people being out of their heads on alcohol and drugs was disgraceful. You did not use the term junkie but might as well have done. The idea that a large amount of tax revenue is somehow wasted on these poor people on the basis that they are all out of their heads on alcohol and drugs is also ludicrous. Far more is wasted on warmongering and keeping the rich wealthy.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce "Israel will never amount to anything more than a terrorist state whilst it pursues it's current policies based on greed and a lust for land and power. Their practice of apartheid, and the violence they exercise against their neighbours shows that the rulers of Israel have learnt nothing from the horrendous persecution of the Jewish people in the holocaust with them now behaving little better than it's Nazi architects."
Your racism is disturbing.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Being anti-apartheid is not racism..... quite the opposite in fact.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham That's a disgraceful thing to say. The bulk of unemployed people struggle to survive on the scraps left over after the rich have taken as much as they can. Re-distribute this wealth and plough it into building a functioning society where education and health care are not required to make a profit, and where public services are there for the benefit of all the citizens and not as another fat little cash cow for the rich. Money IS the rich man's drug of choice.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce Your comment sounds ideological and quasi-religious. I prefer practical solutions.
Perhaps instead of having a dole, the government should simply provide food and shelter. Then we would not have the concern about people drinking or sniffing our tax money away.
Many taxpayers don't believe in taking alcohol (e.g., Muslims, Buddhists). It is a slap in their face that their taxes should be spent on alcohol and other drugs. It's like asking Jews to donate to the holocaust.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Sorry, religion's not my thing.. Maybe we should simply make sure that the rich pay their taxes.... after all, most of the people I know who sniff coke, screw hookers, and get drunk are rich people. My poor friends can't afford that life style. Not that I've anything against hookers and coke, fast cars or champagne. Been there, done that. If someone wishes to sell the hours of their life for that shit ain't no thing, Just don't do it at another person's expense.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
You said, "not where there is squalor and drugs and no hope." I said, "AS FOR THOSE who enjoy recreational drugs, yes, it is difficult to support a drug habit in the UK owing to the high costs of banned substances. But should we really increase the dole for that reason?" (emphasis mine). You said, "not everybody on the dole is on drugs." Where did I say that everyone was?
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Boring, but I will respond. As you refer to drug taking and an increase in the dole (ha-ha) you are clearly suggesting that the 2 are inter-connected. After which you assume that "most people on the dole consume some kind of drug including alcohol." I rest my case. Away and pat bricks at yourself Chloe. You wouldn't know realism (yours or anybody else's) if it jumped up and bit you on the arse. I'm done with your patronising clap trap. Goodbye.
123jsbach 3 months ago
What a load of boring droning ancient history shit this is. More concerned about 2011 not 1979. What about Labour having an "Open door" immigration policy and swamping the country with immigrants allowing third world trash to live here and foisting a multi-cultural society on us without us having a say in the matter.
Bellalodicci9 3 months ago
@Bellalodicci9 This video is about the bitch Thatcher, not any other moron you wish to discuss.
123jsbach 3 months ago
Her party of scum have snaked back into power with another thatcherite at its helm. They didn't even get voted in.
Remember their doctrine never changes. They despise the poor and working classes with their prejudice venom.
Blair worked hard to end the conflicts of Ireland but his fault later was by backing the doodles in the hunt for oil and poppies.
Brown actually saved the economy from the scum feeding off the poor.
Cameron has sent everything backwards by at least 20 years.
Thatcher mk 2
CalamityCameron 4 months ago
@CalamityCameron Pure fantasy.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
the difference between thatcher and the ira are thatcher is dead but the ira are still alive
rt56y7ui9 4 months ago
und bitch!
bobodd5 4 months ago
To be honestest she is a better leader then what we have now. You snobs have forgotten what being British is. She is the only leader who cared about our soldiers unlike Gordon Brown who has spelling mistakes in letters to the grieving families. Also miss pronouncing soldiers names in parliament. Thatcher sunk ships because she thought they were a threat. You don't see the government today even providing our soldiers with proper equipment. Fuck the lot of you. IRON LADY ALL THE WAY!
borofalcon101 5 months ago
@borofalcon101 Thatcher lied about the Belgrano because she knew it was wrong and she lauded a man who had killed and tortured more than 30,000 people because they supported democracy. She was a leader because weak men followed her but she is morally bankrupt. No doubt our leaders will commend her when she dies like the Americans honoured Reagan who would have been the worst ever president had G.W. not come after him. If honouring Thatcher is being British please let me forget too.
spoonfulofdreams 4 months ago
@spoonfulofdreams Singing the Belgrano was not wrong, and even the captain of the Belgrano has admitted that. The exclusion zone only applies to commercial vessels, not military vessels. The Argies sand British vessels and continued to do so.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
It's a poem ! Wow. I Believe the rebelious spirit of one Christy Moore alive and well.
galway9 5 months ago
justice for the 96 .thatcher you bitch.
roadend78 5 months ago
@roadend78 Justice for the 39 MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
reddan73 5 months ago
BITCH.
STHFGDBY 5 months ago
Christy Moore tells it like it is. Thatcher's doctrine of avarice and greed dispensed with any idea of a functioning society in Britain. Money became the drug of choice, and material acquisition the high. Once hooked, the addicts discarded morality and compassion in favour of profit and short term material gain. Any idea of a healthy, well educated, cohesive society was lost, and look at them now.... rioting for a new pair of trainers, some crappy designer clothes, or a new television.
CarajilloDulce 5 months ago 5
@CarajilloDulce Conservative ideology has always been based on greed, on class division, on the strong having a right to oppress the weak. What Thatcher did was legitimise this, she made it morally acceptable to be morally bankrupt. The right-wing values numbers, it worships the GDP and disregards the sum of human happiness and human suffering. It's time we joined with our brothers and sisters in the US, Chile, Australia and more, in reclaiming our democracies. OCCUPY, STRIKE, STAND UP.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@thetexandub OK, well, non-participation is one place to start. Life is so much more than being a good little consumer, addicted to material acquisition. It was quite sad to see the young people rioting with the sole apparent aim of getting new trainers, a new TV, and a bottle of vodka or two. Get pissed and feel successful wearing new trainers whilst watching TV, just like good little consumers are supposed to. Kick the addiction and live a little. We are often slaves by our own device. Peace.
CarajilloDulce 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce Agreed!
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@thetexandub It's a kind of nonsense you write. Conservative ideology used to be called liberalism. It is the idea of Locke that we are born with natural rights not to be oppressed.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham lol you need to read up a bit more before making a blanket statement like 'Conservative ideology used to be called liberalism', Thatcher and Cameron (who are part of the neoliberal faction of the Conservative Party) are not pure liberals, and Conservative ideology has never been limited to liberalism. Neoliberalism may be the dominant ideological tendency in the Conservative Party now, but it is still exercised within a conservative framework.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@thetexandub Furthermore, the Conservative Party, and Conservative Ideology both existed long before liberalism became the dominant ideological tendency of the Conservative party. From then till now, it has been based on greed - both conservatism and neoliberalism are based on greed, and while class division and oppression of the weak are not stated aims of neoliberalism (they are of conservatism), they are inevitable by-products, upon which the continuation of the system relies.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@thetexandub That's why I think it's fair to say conservatism and Conservative ideology have always been based upon greed, class division and the right of the strong to oppress the weak. By the way, I have studied Locke, Hume, Rousseau, J.S. Mill and Adam Smith; I'm more than familiar with liberalism.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@thetexandub One slight point of clarification - when I said 'both conservatism and neoliberalism are based on greed' I was refering specifically to the socio-economic structures they demand.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce You have misread Thatcher completely. Her values come from strict Methodism. That her belief in personal and economic freedom unleashed other people's greed was an unintended consequence.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham I don't recognise Methodism in anything Thatcher concocted. She came to power thinking she was another Winston Churchill. Her monetarist policies were a disaster and she was only saved by the Falklands war which is what Cristy is talking about. She is our George W. only she's not funny. Anyone who welcomed Pinochet is either a heartless monster, a complete idiot or totally ignorant and she was neither stupid nor ignorant. Wesley believed in society unlike that witch.
spoonfulofdreams 3 months ago in playlist spoonfulofdreams's favorites
@spoonfulofdreams Just to add a note of support for what you've said, I'd say Methodist beliefs are completely incompatible with supporting a dictator who used torture, including massive (sometimes fatal) electrical shocks, with electrodes being placed in/on the mouth and genitals of both men and women, to punish dissent. There is no way that Thatcher was unaware that Pinochet used torture.
thetexandub 3 months ago
@CarajilloDulce And what was the UK like before Maggie? East Germany? Do you really enjoy being in debt to the IMF?
It is fine to be idealistic, but you're totally impractical.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@CloeBuckingham No, the UK was not like East Germany? What a stupid suggestion. Did you even live there in that time? By the way, there's quite a bit of info on the internet about you being a cyber stalker, have you noticed that?
CarajilloDulce 2 months ago
@CarajilloDulce The air in the North of England was absolutely filthy.
The UK was like a Third World country going to the IMF for a bailout before Thatcher.
Cyberstalker?! Any compelling evidence?!
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
... ok. i hooooonestly think they wiiiill adopt our syyyystem. england will give back northern ireland. the american population stop carry weapons.
make russia a country there the prisons aren´t overcrowded.
JoeRingo118 6 months ago
england... a country which loves power...
england... a country which has a prison tower.....
maggie thatcher.... a bitch who´s old and gray....
maggie thatcher.... a terrorist you want to slay....
and the brittish soldiers who shot unarmed,
are yet today mostly unharmed.
it would be good of england if they gave northern ireland back,
if not then Eira bayonettes will give the politicans a new ass crack.
JoeRingo118 6 months ago
What I dont understand is why the Scandinavian system isnt spreading. I mean, we rank nr1 EVERY year acording to UN. Why is our system not addopted by other countries?
gulbirk 6 months ago
@gulbirk because fellow scandinavian.. we all got small populations. norway denmark and sweden.
JoeRingo118 6 months ago
@JoeRingo118 That doesnt actually matter. My ant has a bachelor in state science and that isnt quite true. If you do the calculations, it shouldnt be any harder to keep up social democrasy even if there were more people.
gulbirk 6 months ago
@gulbirk and also the fact that our countries isn´t that nice if you understand.
when people think of scandinavia they think its an ice age up here and that polar bears are roaming the streets XD... if they think of our system then they think the system is about breeding and killing seals or keeping the polar bears and yetis out of our houses.
JoeRingo118 6 months ago
@JoeRingo118 What are you even talking about now? That means nothing. We rank Nr1 acording to the UN. Is it because they believe we have such a jolly time hunting polar animals. No, its because we are good at almost everything. Healthcare, education, work (employed VS un-employed) people belowe the poverty line, etc.
gulbirk 6 months ago
@gulbirk ok.. obama got the nobel peace prize for promising one thing: taking back the troops from afghanistan.
if denmark/sweden/norway would pull back troops then no one would give two shits about it.
no one cares about it.. its like school or the warnings on the back of cigarettes packs. NO ONE CARES.
JoeRingo118 6 months ago
@JoeRingo118 Again, you are making no sense. Yes, I know that we are not a famous country, thats not what im arguing against. Im asking, why doesnt our system addopt to other countries?
gulbirk 6 months ago
@gulbirk because... no... one... caaaaareees. if we asked the president of russia where sweden is on the map then there would be one hell of a chance that he doesn´t answer, because he doesn´t know.
''we shouldn´t adopt the system of a country i never heard about...''
JoeRingo118 6 months ago
@JoeRingo118 Actually I think he does, because thats Russia (not that far away). Yes, I understand that we arent very famous. But there are debates going on EVERY year oh how to controll the sountry one live in. Are you saying no leaders will take the time to consider that there might be a reason why we are ranked nr1 by the EU?
gulbirk 6 months ago
dirty old rat and insufferable wretch of human filth, vile, disgusting, and repulsive degenerate, right-wing Tory hypocrite war-mongering lying power hungry evil vixen
COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 6 months ago
Long Live COMMUNISM and COLLECTIVISM
Down with this filthy right-wing ideology from senile old hags like Thatcher
COMMUNISTPHILOSOPHY 7 months ago
Another load of complete fucking bullshit. I'm not a fan of Thatcher, but this bitter Irish cunt just uses it as another excuse to Brit bash....funny how these fucking Irish always talk about what we do but ignore the fact they treat eachother like shit. The Falklands are ours, so fuck off
JimBell1984 8 months ago
@JimBell1984 angry british imperialist trol. fucking patetic
janisakironmaiden 7 months ago
@janisakironmaiden not really, just fed up of Irish people moaning all the time...get over yourselves
JimBell1984 7 months ago
@JimBell1984 ourself? lol. im norwegian. and i understand why the irish hate the british considering you colonised them, banned their religion and culture. pluss the fact that the population in ireland declined with 3\4 under british rule. and when you continue to okupy northen ireland its pretty easy to understand why they bitch
janisakironmaiden 7 months ago
@janisakironmaiden that just goes to show how much you know about Irish history! banned their culture and religion? when did this happen exactly? the population never declined that much, what an ignorant comment to make. It's as if the only sources you've read are anti English publications written in the 1600s....you dimwit. And there are plenty in N Ireland who want to remain part of Britain, over a half. Do some real research dickhead
JimBell1984 7 months ago
@JimBell1984 you dont know the brits banned roman catolisism? you need to do some reaserch. i guess you dont know it was illegal for catolics to own land for hundreds of years. or that the brits eksported food from ireland during the potato famine. and check out wikipedia for the decline of population in ireland. if you reed some of this with an open mind. you will be turned away from imperialsm
janisakironmaiden 7 months ago
@janisakironmaiden it's all good you just saying these things, but where is your evidence? I know Catholics were banned from being landowners, but Catholicism was never banned. I am not imperialist...AND WIKIPEDIA IS FULL OF SHIT ON SO MANY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS!!! you're missing out the potatoe famine which was not our fault, the Prods suffered as well, cunt. Instead of reading bullshit internet articles why don't you read some books by proper scholars who don't have an agenda. Tosser
JimBell1984 7 months ago
@JimBell1984 yeah shure the prots suffered during the potato famine. but how many of them starved to death? and if youre not imperealist. why do you always defend the imperealists? i saw on youre chanel that you have family from northern ireland. i guess protestant. and it wouldent surprise me if they are UVF\UDA suporters. how many books about this writen by non british have you read?
janisakironmaiden 7 months ago
Prods did suffer too you moron, that isn't even up for debate. Name one time I defended imperialists? I just commented on how Irish republicans (and their supporters) just Brit bash, that's all you do.Yeah, I am a Prod and so are they...problem? I had family in the Army from that side who served with loyal Catholic men, there was never such a problem until the 60s....but i suppose you'd know that. I have read a few dickhead, and it doesn't matter about being British or not, it is about bias
JimBell1984 7 months ago
@JimBell1984 youre family were british soldiers and you claim to be unbiased? and i dont bash brits in general. i just bash imperealists and the british army. i also love how british your debating technique is. so fare you have called me dimwit, dickhead, tosser and cunt. and when you say there never was such a problem until the 60s youre just wrong. yeah the PIRA dident exist until 69 but the OIRA was aurond since the irish war of liberation.
janisakironmaiden 7 months ago
@JimBell1984 would u get a hold of yourself? english are some of the most boring,pastie looking moany fuckers on gods earth,why are you even typing this crap on here,are you disputing the fact that maggie thatcher was a cunt? most english guys i know would agree she was,so what is your problem? as for the norwegian guy,he obviously knows right from wrong when he sees it,good man!
TrueBlueEG8 7 months ago
Thatcher and her doctrine of greed and avarice were responsible for dispensing with any idea of a functioning society in favour of short term economic gain. The rights of corporations began to exceed the rights of the citizen, and private sector parasites were encouraged to profit from every sector of society including healthcare, education, and the basic utilities. The trend continued through "New Labour" to the crass conservatives of the present day. A vile and selfish woman to be sure.
CarajilloDulce 9 months ago
"Crime is crime is crime-It is not political,it is crime"
Well said Maggie-Fuck the hunger strikers,they chose to kill themselves,a luxury of choice not afforded to their many victims
1960AVFC 9 months ago
I firmly believe that every dog has its day..this evil woman was the biggest terrorist of all and now her brain is slowly rotting away. Its is god's way of trying to erase all the filthy acts this woman has committed
GMarie4 9 months ago 14
@GMarie4 May her filtey corpse rest in the death of my tremendous dream.
bannanachops 8 months ago in playlist Christy
@GMarie4 It could happen to anyone, including you or me. You shouldn't take pleasure in the suffering of others. It's ugly.
CloeBuckingham 3 months ago
@CloeBuckingham Tell that to Maggie Thatcher...she has been taking pleasure in the suffering of others for decades. If she was that concerned about the wellbeing of others she wouldnt have sat back and let people die in filth ridden cells. Your right - it is ugly
GMarie4 3 months ago 2
@GMarie4 If you don't eat, you die. Maggie did not force anyone not to eat. That was a matter of free will.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
@GMarie4 We will have to agree to disagree. You think terrorists should be treated as prisoners of war. Thatcher thought they should be treated as criminals. I think they should be tried and executed for treason.
If a person refuses food and dies of starvation, we cannot say that the person was murdered by Margaret Thatcher for not caving into the demands of that person. If Thatcher were the sort of person to cave into demands, she would not have the credibility to revolutionise Britain.
CloeBuckingham 2 months ago
I'm glad she's got dementia!
02BikerBoy 9 months ago
Well fucking said. The evil bitch needs to die and I hope she faces the suffering we all went through before she does!
02BikerBoy 9 months ago
can't wait till that evil dog is dead
FUCK YOU MAGGIE
MrJconnolly1916 9 months ago
its funny i bet half the people argueing werent even fucking born during the thatcher era!these guys would want to get a life and move on.she did bad,the ira did bad get over it!!god in heaven theres nothing worse than listening to the friday night provos talking through there arses...booby sands this bobby sands that...YOU WERENT EVEN AROUND WHEN THESE GUYS WERE SO SHUT UP!!!innocent people are still dieing because theres certain fuckheads keep jumping on the bandwagon!
royaldutch101 9 months ago
Argentine and Irish Goverment should call for the World courts to summon her to answer for her War Crimes. I see no difference between her and other War criminals who have already been brought to justice.
tysonthepooper 10 months ago
@tysonthepooper To respond to your shockingly ignorant statement:
Argentina, in breach of international law invaded the Falklands (UK) without proper declaration of War. They then proceded to be condemned by the International community, including the Americans, lose very badly and showed that South American conscripts with poor training and even poorer morale could be obliterarted by a well trained NATO army.
I elect not to go into the IRA's war crimes, I don't have the characters left...
B2010X 8 months ago
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dontgivemeurbullshit 8 months ago
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dontgivemeurbullshit 8 months ago
@B2010X The Malvinas were given to Argentina by the Spanish. No one wanted to live there except a select group of Huns that liked sheep more than the women of their own country. The USA condemned the repatriation of the Malvinas by Argentina but Reagan told good old Maggie Thatcher she would not be able to fill her oil tanks in the USA since there might be some conflict with our Monroe Doctrine. The Hun would not have given a fuck if oil had been discovered in the waters of the Malvinas..
dontgivemeurbullshit 8 months ago
@B2010X It appears you have no character at all. Pity!
OldSkool95490 8 months ago
@B2010X eh have u looked at an atlas or a globe during your lifetime? see where england is,and where the falklands are? how the fuck can england lay claim to it? perhaps it broke off and floated away from ye? i wonder which countries made these international laws u speak of?
TrueBlueEG8 7 months ago
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@tysonthepooper To respond to your shockingly ignorant statement:
Argentina, in breach of international law invaded the Falklands (UK) without proper declaration of War. They then proceded to be condemned by the International community, including the Americans, lose very badly and showed that South American conscripts with poor training and even poorer morale could be obliterarted by a well trained NATO army.
I elect not to go into the IRA's war crimes, I don't have the characters left....
B2010X 8 months ago
CHRISTY MOORE GREAT SINGER AND INDEED IN MANY WAYS LIKE EVERYONE;-) BUT UNFORTUNATLY HE HAS IN MY EYES GOT IT WRONG HERE ABOUT EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BLAMING HER POLICIES FOR ANYTHING THAT COULD BE PERCIEVD ABOUT BEING GREEDY ABOUT THE CELTIC TIGER, OUR OWN IMPLEMENTED IT AND WE ALL CARRIED IT OUT FOR WHAT EVER REASONS! WE ALL LIVE WITH HISTORY AND CHARACHTER ASSINATION AND INDEED ALL KINDS OF ASSINATION, BEST NOT TO MAKE SURE THE FUTURE DIES FOR WE COULD BE IT'S PRESENT;-)
butsy1818 10 months ago
maggie ira buster
salian66 10 months ago
not long now.class war party,trafalger square,first saturday after thatchers death.
erictheviking871 10 months ago
Fuck Maggie "Scum-Bag" Thatcher
maddoxhell 10 months ago
what's your beef with the Falklands war?
MrGilles1990 11 months ago
If it wasnt for thst old fat ugly bastard, britain would be a more productive country, the car industry, iron ans steel,coalmining, if it wasnt for her, their would be jobs for people. And god only knows what david cameron has planned. Past the spendin cuts and tax rises
unsinckabletitanic 11 months ago
@unsinckabletitanic GDP increased more than 23% during her reign.
CloeBuckingham 11 months ago
Pitiful.
Can we have our cash back then?
Durbs75 1 year ago
That's one of the many flaws in the arguments for pit closures. The Tories always claim they were losing money, but any losses were temporary, and nowhere near the cost of closures. Aside from the financial cost (100 billion, plus longterm benefits for sacked miners in jobless areas) there's the inestimable human costs, and these are the reason for the searing hatred felt for this woman. The one saving grace is that she assured the Tories' continuing failures in elections. They're detested.
bolloxinator 1 year ago