Free market Environmentalism with Terry Anderson, part 1

[sdcair]

whats the name of the song in the beginning? cool sound

[brotherbongo]

what's the date this was made

[KevZen2000]

Environmentalism, will only work in a Free Market. The Green Fascist State environmentalism will lead to more fascism.Whenever, there is financial incentives to use more environmental friendly solutions, people will. People did it with the hybrids. and people do want to take care of the Earth,but they will not do it if, it cost a bundle to do so. Enable the Free Market in energy, and within 50 years, gasoline and coal will be far less in energy, as it is today.

[archipelagan]

Privatization of publicly-owned resources as a free market solution to environmental problems ignores the fact that most environmental problems are a direct RESULT of unregulated/deregulated free marketeering profiting off of the commons.

As Einstein once noted:

No problem can be solved from the same level

of consciousness that created it.

[BuzzMcTank]

@archipelagan But, Capitalism is a system of freedom that only brings about more freedom when allowed to flourish unhindered by the corrosive, corrupt, evil, power-mad, controlling, totalitarian nature of government rules and regulations.

So, I don't understand how such a system could cause any "problems."

[JohnColt]

@archipelagan Not so. Those countries with the worst record on environmental issues are precisely those with the most governmental control of the economy. By your logic Hong Kong should be the most pollutant country in the world; it is not.

[TheTeaego]

@ archipelagan it does not ignore that fact but acknowledges it. Privatization outlines provisions of use and establishes property rights exclusive to the owner. They may not be regulated by the state, but they are governed by property rights. The owner can be determined by simple economics where individual or groups that values a property the highest will own it. Having the highest value entails that they will take the best care for that property.

[TheTeaego]

@archipelagan Overexploitation occurs in the presence of competitors. Privatization makes property and natural resources excludable and eliminates the tragedy of the commons given the right incentives and institutions.

[cannotbebothered100]

The main point is that you can control property outside of property you rent or own by subscription 2 a property by tenancy rules or rules the following of which is contractually obligational in order 2 maintain ownership of what you have purchased, that is surrounded as a property by others that are invested in and sold on the same rule *thereby creating a zone excluding that which the customers would dislike if it were in the properties adjacent to them* so that toxicity needn't neighbour eco.

[goPistons06]

@archipelagan i suggest you look up "externalities" and "coase theorem". you'll see that the problems of pollution are caused usually by the absence of property rights.

[cannotbebothered100]

Indeed, if you wish to nestle a bucolic ecological reserve away from those persons and actions which would harm it, then rent or purchase within environs that are ruled by some common covenant derived from homogeneous tenancy agreements or agreements for consent to which maintaining the purchase is made contractually obligational, from some original investor so ruling to provide that value, allows that action to be segregated from that which in proximity would cause devaluation from without.

[cannotbebothered100]

I would go on to say that the 'Coase theorem' assumes that the need to transfer property in order to attain that which will allow one to eliminate some undesirable externality effect interfering with your property's value were it not under your control, is somehow preventative of such a desirable outcome arising. This is like Marxists saying that capital concentration must occur because of transaction costs of dividends to the investor in POTENTIAL. The potential will eventually swallow the cost

[cannotbebothered100]

Besides which there isn't a need for ownership of property to eliminate its mal effects. Why? Well as I said to a fellow on this very comments page a couple of minutes ago: (see next comment, I will copy it)