Battlefield 3: Engineer Class, The Backbone of Battlefield

[xxXYoAriYoXxx]

why can't the ps3 version of B3 have 64 players? it got 2 cores compared to the xbox 360 with 1 core. it can handle it. i think.

[DSJeffers]

@xxXYoAriYoXxx the newer 360's have the same shit the PS3s do. :P

[TheYonderGod]

@xxXYoAriYoXxx 360 doesn't get 64 players either, and you are wrong anyways.The PS3 cpu is a single core with 7 Synergistic Processing Elements. tbh I don't know what the "Synergistic Processing Elements" but no that does not mean it's 7 or 8 cores. The 360 has a 3 core cpu with hyper-threading (2 threads per core) I believe the 360 cpu is a little bit better but they are pretty much equal. Anyways, the number of cores in a cpu doesn't necessarily make it better or worse.

[georigie125]

someone noticed that the forest around 6:27 is completly gone?

[PillProductions]

caspian border conquest on console is soooo boring 

[Tohob]

javelin is a ninja.. you can control which direction the rockets come from.. get close and shoot above the tank and it turns around and hits it from the other side, the driver and gunner usually look at whatever direction they got hit from

[r1chie698]

great tips on how to play caspian border as infantry on a 64 server, yet i still find it difficult to play this map as infantry. i just stay away from this map in general

[Sypiie]

Still, I prefer Support. Nothing beats planting C4 on a road and blowing up the tank that comes past.

[AHoboWithALaptop]

And that is why I play Rush- it actually encourages the use of the different classes. That and the fact that 24 man conquest sucks

[hilltaylor18]

@AHoboWithALaptop

agreed. I feel like console essentially doesn't have conquest.

[DAZEonPC]

Lol at what you were typing at 8:03, I do the same

[miniswat209]

i destroyed a little bird on devavand peak with the m320 (when i was a noob and used it) and got like vehicle destroy and 3 kills

[jammyboy67]

I don't rush a tank when i have c4, i find a vantage point to where they won't see me ussualy , or i just set up the c4 on the road. Besides firing rockets a tanks, they will automatically find you almost and keep firing till you die.

[XXLB3AST]

@jammyboy67 you use them like mines i repect that so do i

[jammyboy67]

@XXLB3AST I made a tank front flip with c4 ahah! And when it hit the floor again then it blew up.

[ModestMagician]

I would disagree, I believe Engineers are the meat and potatoes of BF3.

[stesta90]

50% of the classes are enginers.. that is my experinece at least.

[Terrr05]

This review or whatever of the engineer weapons, is it based off number crunching and shit you or other people have done or is it based off what you've found to be true through using the weapons? If it's the latter, are you sure it isn't just a kinda of placebo affect? The M4 and, say, the M16 should be almost identical, even though one is an AR and the other is a carbine.

[dcutbi001]

@Terrr05 There are tons of factual equations that go into each weapon. ADS bullet spread, hip-fire bullet spread, bullet velocity, bullet drop, up/down/left/right recoil frequencies, 1st shot multiplier, clip size, reload speed (empty clip & otherwise) bullet damage vs range, rate of fire (in game ROF is usually off), and then there are the options of attachments and their effects.

[Terrr05]

@dcutbi001 Cheers but my question was aimed mostly at what he said about carbines and ARs. Does an M4 or G36C do less damage than an M16 or SA80? I realise this sorta thing is done for some kind of balancing but sometimes it's really dumb, like in BC2 the SCAR-L was an SMG (wtf?) and did comparable damage to the other SMGs per shot, instead of doing damage similar to the AUG etc.

[dcutbi001]

@Terrr05 While a lot of the competitive players who make youtube videos do consider their preference based on playtime, they also use factual information to back it up. It's somewhat more complicated than many people realize. Here is a breakdown of most of the pertinent info, it's a great resource for most shooters. denkirson.xanga.com/756891604/­bf3/

[6yka66RUS]

13 kills from tank - crazy? well i have five times more

[doubleD2ka]

@6yka66RUS ya you're great

[burrFTK]

i subbed

[andreiii1911]

if you play with assault you can use that noob tobe thing...m230 or something to destroy cars and light armored vehicles

[sneakyshadow7]

Why is the ACOG on the G36C so common?

[Moodyman404]

@sneakyshadow7 2 round burst is SO damn good for long range, when you slap a laser sight on as well you can engage at any range effectively.

[bandaifan1]

i never use c4 on tanks 2 destroy them........ i just put it on a jeep and ram them and detonate XD

[Merajito20k]

I feel the engineer is good on smaller maps. Problem is I hate their weapons.

[Ghoststalkerq]

Soup Ort is still my favorite.

[FdsEliteCorps]

sell the class? I'm annoyed all I see is engineers.

[EmperorKyuu60]

I absolutely love the engineer... in BC2 and BF3, the engineer is the only class I use, even when I play TDM or SQDM xD

[Klimessss]

lol at the end

"who is cheating you fuck"

[valeriy1987]

I might try the engineer, for now I have hell of a time with suppressed PKP on TDM maps : P

[WokFoodEntertainment]

@valeriy1987 Ive almost thought of supressed LMGs as something fucking ugly

[CPetersenable]

Promotional video, it looks so easy when you do it. Good work, thank you

[mmawrestlereg]

so fresh

[LordKira]

it's awesome that you have the pc

i only use the engineer on the pc large maps

on the consoles (i have the ps3 and my brother and my cousin has xbox), I pretty much never ply the larger maps mainly because mod of them feel like ghost towns, as it is hard to find a single person sometimes. on smaller maps, assault is the only way to go. also, when i play with my friends, who usually play the engineers almost exclusively...i tend to just stick with the assault

[sonson9876]

If you ever see me on a server you most possibly see me playing as enginner :P Old habit from Bad Company 2 :D

[staticshock1013]

It's a good class, but at least in my experience it's over played, and useless on maps that aren't vehicle heavy, like Metro and Bazarr.

[elchino7]

@staticshock1013 you named the few infantry maps that are on bf. B2K (4maps) + Caspian/Kharg/Firestorm/Canals­/ heavily vehicle maps. The other maps may not have many vehicles but you have to quickly deal with the tank and/or heli to dont be overun by their firepower.

Metro doesnt qualify as a bf map ¬¬ at least when their is more than 24 players and they are using explosives.

[UnknownToYouMaybe]

On PC you must play smart with c4. On console its run up fast put it on the tank and blow it up killing yourself.

[zaktan744]

@UnknownToYouMaybe um... how does a platform you're playing affect your actions? Fail much? It's not like if i'm playing on xbox 360 the game only allows me to put it on tanks and the C4 always kills me. No. You can plant c4 on the objective, near flags, tanks, snipers, buildings, roads, vehicles that are randomly put somewhere as bait.

[Ghoststalkerq]

@zaktan744 Ha, have you seen the tank on pc?

[zaktan744]

@Ghoststalkerq Wtf there is NO difference LOL

[Ghoststalkerq]

@zaktan744 It spins around at the speed of light, your sensitivity even affects the jet on PC.

[TheMiguelruna]

The flaw on Console are the games modes, 12 vs 12 250 tickets >.<

[wrongwayup]

I'm actually kinda glad you don't see exclusively engineers anymore, like in the first one or two months of BF3. It was just 27 engineers and then 5 of the other class on a team on a 64 player server. Nowadays there is much more variety. Personally, though, I prefer taking out armor with C4.

[MrBigshot87]

some weird personal stats. i've played as the engineer class the longest 44hrs, i have more points collectively with the assualt and more lightmachine gun ribbons than the rest of the other classes. also 10 days + gameplay not one team deathmatch ribbon. :-) i love this game

[ironmavis]

um carbines are better at close range? assault is good for med-long range???

[meemat]

Car-bean

[DaCoop44]

I like your videos.

but play some hardcore instead, the game comes alive in hardcore.

[ThePeacefulPenguin]

@coffeecrisp224 he have all ready made an usas-12 review :)

[ThePeacefulPenguin]

Thanks to both of you @meertch and @alpha :)

[MrRicko450]

Please do a review for the A-91 Carbine

[Tj1056]

people are stupid that run up with c4 in the middle of no where... people are to impatient and need to learn to wait for the tank to come to you

[salari]

"The Engineer class is under-used"? Are you kidding me? It's the most over-used class in the game! If anything, Assault's the most under-used class, which is stupid, considering how important they are. Engineers are important, but I'd much rather see more reviving and healing in a game, rather than some RPG spammer who never repairs.

[gordon9821]

levelcap, I love you

[coffeecrisp224]

can make a review of the USAS-12 please! thanks. by the way nice vid

[hec94gom]

nice vid !!

[Markunator]

Was the Anti-Tank class in "Battlefield 2" as powerful when compared to the other classes as the Engineer class in "Battlefield 3"?

[ThePeacefulPenguin]

What is the handgun he uses called ?

[Alphab3t4]

@ThePeacefulPenguin Think it's the M9 silenced. Not sure.

[meertch]

@ThePeacefulPenguin It's the mp443 suppressed. When playing American side, the counterpart would be the m9.

[Krubarax]

I am surprised to notice that you totally forgot/ignored to mention repairtool/EOD-bot/AT-mines.

They are all a big part of the engy-class and which of the three items you choose might have a big impact on how you play the engineer.

[Hoffnungsfunke]

The Javelin may be a good weapon however the need to STAY in direct line of sight if there is no laser lock is a huge drawback, as it does not allow to make use of guerilla tactics, thus making you an easy target for any tank driver, espacially if he has canister shell.

[Ma3gau]

engineer guns vs assault guns :

engis guns have twice the spread, the same damage and recoil, lower bullet speed

so yeah up close your m4a1 is absolutely as good as the m16a3.

far away the "twice the spread" part makes you unable to snipe ppl with single shots or short burst as well

[Ma3gau]

@averbakh01 RPG 7 also has frag warhead which is equal 10 hand grenades.

[Ma3gau]

@averbakh01 rpg 29 and rpg 32 are all cool and shit on modern armor but modern rpg 7 warheads shit on any modern armor as well. RPG7 had a HUGE upgrade potential when it first was developed back then. the main diffirence between the diffirent RPGs is the effective shooting range. 29 a nd 32 are heavier and shoot further then 7 thats it.

[Tibberclaw]

You really feel the need to "sell" the Engineer class? It's already easily the most used class in the game. I agree, it's definitely the most useful class in the game, but we need less engineers not more. Dice needs to do something to make the other classes more effective in relation to vehicles. Not sure what though...

[ccmunster23]

poo pants.i subbed

[Davesnotheree1]

I use the javelin all the time. It's especially good if you're unable to get up close. 64 players on console would be nice as well.

[KuzuRanger]

u have my respect but it stings to hear u say "Engy is the most useful & team oriented class". when played correctly (i know they often arent) the recon class is underrated. im not talking about a solo sniper. im talking about a supportive, mobile scout recon. one whos MAV/TUGS are invaluable to the win. whos beacons let you get back in the action. who uses purely team-oriented gadgets/abilities. seeing more & more engys with their rocket noob launchers is getting tiresome. just my 2 cents.

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[Moby127]

I had the distinct impression Engineer class was used quite a bit. I know it's my most used class. It almost seems that any map with more than 1 tank or 1 air vehicle, an Engineer class is a good gunner/support class to run in your vehicle and a good class to take down the enemy vehicle. Just my thought

[ninetailedhollow5]

Also, you mention that assault rifles are the best run-and-gun weapons. Not exactly true. On the symthic charts PDWs and carbines are shown to have an overall smaller spread when firing while moving, making them better for more mobile players.

[ninetailedhollow5]

You may not consider this to be a legitimate "strategy", jihad jeeps allow support gunners to take out even highly-skilled tank teams, at least on console.

On PC, that tank turret can whip around like a goddamned snake. The slow movement speed of it on consoles makes aiming at fast-moving targets difficult, making jeeps a great way of killing tanks with a proximity sensor.

[eagleeye929]

@ninetailedhollow5

my personal favourite way to kill a tank =D

[sfdonner]

@ninetailedhollow5 Totally agree.

In fact, if your teammates aren't helping out I think it's the *best* (outside of an attack heli) way of taking out a competent tank team.

It's also one of the most satisfying ways of getting kills in the game--other than straight C4ing a tank and getting away.

[LordZakura]

@ninetailedhollow5 not if the tank turret user uses max sensitivity =\

[ninetailedhollow5]

@LordZakura Even a controller on max sensitivity can't come close to the speed at which a PC tank will snake around.

Source: 1050 tank kills

[RepaleoN]

@ninetailedhollow5 i so hate that.. there is no vehicle sensitivety.. i dont want to max out my regular sensitivety every time i jump in a tank :( really big flaw from DICE

[CurlyHeadedStud]

@ninetailedhollow5 wont matter when i flank you and shoot your tank in the back with mine.

Source: 1100 tank kills

[Guitarplayer219]

@CurlyHeadedStud How do you shoot a tank with a mine?

[CurlyHeadedStud]

@Guitarplayer219 hahahaha very funny

[AlexHDUK]

@ninetailedhollow5 Jihad Jeep is a solid strategy.

[Ghoststalkerq]

@ninetailedhollow5 lol

[CHPMP5]

@ninetailedhollow5

Been doing that since BF2...

Oh the fun memories and names I was called.

[bobenbob123]

@ninetailedhollow5 Ironically I just spent like an hour doing just that on the PC and got a ton of kills...

[ArmorKingEmir]

A-91 and AK74U FTW

[danumbers13]

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[danidankha]

very good information and good palyer keep it like that more vidoes

[SJbr]

Engineer and Recon are the classes to go for in Caspian Border, i find that i can constantly get 10k+ points with either class, however if your team is doing nothing i would recommend going Eng and cap flags by foot (which unfortunately happens in most cases, its rare to come across a team that lets me kill whore with my m98b :/// )

[mrbeanthe2nd]

@averbakh01 maybe they just want to use the same weapon model so that some players who dont recognise the RPG-29/32 wont go to forums and complain about it XD

[syrianization]

there is barely any trees left on the map

[vivichau]

Great video and tips, I think you brought up a good point about being an effective infantry on Caspian Border can still get you lots of points and kills

[theyung1]

i feel that all classes have their uses depending on the situation

[LyricalTroll]

@averbakh01 I know, bfbc2's RPG was so awesome but bf3's RPG is awful

[unknown8062]

can you make a video on any tips with the javelin?

[ForeverAzrael]

Awesome video and great information as always :)

[danumbers13]

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[massiveattacknl]

@clevelandtyler2 I think you got some bad friends.

[VhashaarVizJerai]

7:37 THAT'S how you time a grenade throw! Faint slip behind cover with a farewell gift! Excellent work, sir.

[Mendezllk]

There are Engineer naysayers out there?? Wow. Must've had bad real life experiences with mechanics...

[Flipper103]

Levelcap, you sure love the phrase: "bread and butter".

[toughluck2012]

@Flipper103 You might even say it's his bread and butter phrase.

[phukyu345]

yayy now even less people to throw down ammo or health =/

[VeryWide]

not really, if u quickly arm the c4, in the blind spot of the tank, they can do nothing but to eject, i always get ppl with the c4

[rickyg1225]

I play as an aggressive recon, why so i can set up my Soflam for those engineers and tanks with javelins and guided missiles. Plus i get the satisfaction when i snipe those engineers that get out their tank to repair. :)

[Vinicam16]

i'm lvl 43 and i didn't even get the m60 for support, i just got the F2000 for assault,and recon i unlocked yesterday the m40 but enginer i'm going for the third service star... i tried to play with other class but i just love the M4A1...its AWESOMETACULAR !!!

[tosun97]

Please next up a assault kit guide

[clevelandtyler2]

this game sucks imo. even if you have friends no one stays together with the squad, everyone just does their own thing. makes for a pretty boring game. i went back to bf2

[Swevikingproduction]

@clevelandtyler2 True, they should have made it more like bf2, and not like bc2

[Lysanderfication]

you should probably give the option for other classes to have a desposible rocket like the at4 or law rocket. just one rocket just curb stupidity.

[RidgeForrester]

People abuse the engineer class bro.

[IanApples1977]

Wish they would make recon and support class alot stronger.

[TheDanc1nghawk]

@IanApples1977 what are you talking about? the support class can kick ass! my highest SPM came in a support kit. joined half way in, went 21 - 5, spm of 900+. you just need to play to it's strengths. 

[rickyg1225]

@IanApples1977 those classes have their own strengths, you just need to find out how it can be used to your advantage. I mainly play recon but i am constantly moving (i hate camping) I use the long range of the recon(semi-auto or bolt action) rifles with a low (4x)scope + silencer and trusty sidearm. Stealth is my advantage.

[Jazzel93]

You forgot to mention that you are able to destroy enemy cover with the engineer class :-P

Nice vid.

[O3Hundred]

M4A1 was the first gun I got the 5 Service Star Dog Tag, I got 2 Service Stars in Engineer. If I start playing with engineer, I get addicted and can't stop. I am working on unlocking everything in this game ( guns, dog tags, medal, etc ) So can't concentrate on one class for too long.

[bl3ach23]

The only reason I stopped playing engineer is to level the other classes. I went back to engineer to unlock the last 2 guns for the assignments. I have yet to destroy an enemy vehicle with the repair torch even when it's disabled.

[Ma3gau]

engineer is too good and i wouldnt be bothered with it if he didnt have rpgs(vs inf spam) and javelin (bye bye any vehicle pretty much anywhere on the map and even choppers ). Way too centered around one class gameplay.

[ilight8]

i like your videos but being a engineer and avoiding tanks? if your avoding tanks whats the point of the engineer class?

[ilight8]

really engineer is just for tank campers or mabye once in a while when you're trying to take out a jet/heli/tank the people who use it all the time are noobs from cod who camp in tanks, just saying...

[MixedKidbx]

you're an great youtuber

[phantomninja01]

Engineer is probably the most versatile class in the game. It might not have the healing abilities of the Assault or the long range accuracy of the Recon class, but it is a happy medium. The carbine is good at both CQC and mid to long range combat. Plus the RPG can be used to 'suppress' enemies via rocket spam (even if it is frowned upon).

[ilight8]

i would say support is the engineer, the reason we detroy and protect mcoms

[bagofstuff12]

eh all i see is engineers, thats why recon is useful to laze stuff so the engis can use that javelin to do even more damage to tanks and even hit helis

[Morpheuus88]

Well Engies need to be respawned, and we (I also play mostly engi) engies need lots and lots of ammo. Also having a recon in team can allow the javelin squad combo (javelin+soflam on high points is devastating). Hey don't forget pwd's, those make any class lethal upclose (I actually level up most of my recon and support with pdw

[HS431997]

Hey lvlcap why are you against using the laser sight on the m4a1

[Paperclown]

i'm really impressed with this video when you mentioned it was 64 player server ... i always constantly get dropped by recon :(

[mw2awesome2]

have u maxed out the engineer class?

[MrUberSpanky]

engineerfield 3. riding a tank is no more fun

[ESELkoek]

Support is the best, it has amazing guns and c4. Rpg's and Shmaw's kinda suck at taking out tanks if theres only one person shooting at it

[ikuynot]

i prefer a91 more than m4a1 :D

[TheJodenJager]

where are the trees in the forest?

[SwiFTxxHawKS]

@TheJodenJager You make no sence

[Mattbassist]

@TheJodenJager That's what happens on those Caspian servers with 800+ tickets. The forest gets leveled entirely.

[unit55665]

4:30 look at the forest 0_o

[Meteor613]

wow i didnt even know that rpg can 1 shot disable or destroy a tank when shot from the rear.

thanks for the tip. time tu buttsecks some tanks

[Meteor613]

@Meteor613 to*

[GeneralRushHour]

Why don´t you run hardcore? softcore is to easy and too unrealistic.

[xThe0gge]

@GeneralRushHour You play BF3 for realism? :)

[GeneralRushHour]

@xThe0gge No but it changes the gameplay for more realism..

I´m waiting for Arma 3 thank you very much..

[TheEcasx]

@GeneralRushHour in hardcore there's much more camping. I tried it out and I hate it.

[GeneralRushHour]

@TheEcasx Yea as it should be. It´s a got damn war so you have to act accordingly.

Now you can run around like a headless chicken getting sprayed at and survive it easy.

Or you can unload a clip in someone and they would be just fine.

Boring.

[JironBMohamad]

I recently got my service star for engineer. Support should be next.

[Mr83booze]

Started kinda hating engi when the game came out. Everyone and their dog was using it. Also i always felt it was OP and i usually avoid stuff like that. Maybe i'll give it another go.

[TheEcasx]

@Mr83booze it's not op anymore. the rpg used to be SO damaging, until the 1st patch.

[evilmunki54]

From my console experience, almost everyone plays as an engineer, on maps where it isn't necessary too.

[TheEcasx]

@evilmunki54 totally agree. I can only think of one reason to play engineer, say, on metro, and that is to RPG. but then again, m320 is much better for infantry. Plus you get an AR and defibs.

[Radianceable]

@evilmunki54 Everyone may play Engineer, but they're fucking terrible at it. It really does seem that they do fuck all but run n gun instead of repairing my goddamn tank.

[MrSinSama]

@Radianceable I feel the same way, It's seriously annoying. I mean If your playing a specific class, learn your god damn roll in the game, Just like every other game.

[Foxmang]

why did i press tab to see your score?

-.-'

[OutCider937]

and Recon class is the crotch of battlefield.

[Tritium8]

i like my G36C silenced.. But:

if your team has a Soflam, say on Golf of Oman, you run out of Favelin missles rly fast. When there's so much to shoot at :)

and on Firestorm - Rush Defense also... seeing a barrage of Javelins shooting in the air is a beautiful thing to see :)

greetings Knattertonne

[happyhavingfun]

agreed

[domino17121]

LOL ... go to battlelog and check Jacob_28348 out !!! His k/d is ~14 looooool

[juhna]

On my servers, everyone are engineers..it is so overused class, they should even out the carbines, they're ridiculous. There's little point in playing anything else other than engineer

[gunwhores]

@juhna no that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard! Id would rather have a bunch of engineers than a bunch of recons because most engineers will ptfo. and the average precent of each class played is this

assault: 31

engineer: 36

support:17

Recon:16

[ltrics]

"who is cheating you fucki...."



[LevelCapGaming]

@ltrics haha i was wondering if someone was going to catch that. People were bitching about cheaters the whole game and nobody has a score to reflect a cheater.

[suomionparas11]

@LevelCapGaming have u done G36C wepon review ?

[ltrics]

@LevelCapGaming Once a guy called me a cheater, when I had a negative kd/r.... I was like, really? :D

Anyway, keep up the good work mate!