@TopForkZombi hahaha yes xD, the same thing happened in Stalingrad, the city was made shit by the luftwaffe, and russians fought so fucking insame xD!
German troops were welcomed much like Americans in France in the western Soviet territories, most of which had great hatred for Stalin and their Russian masters. Sadly rather than embrace the local populations as the friends they wanted to be the Nazi's turned barbaric on them. Instead of being thousands of miles into enemy territory, they may have been in safe supportive allied lands. The ultimate example the failure of racial superiority ideology.
i think Hitler's initial plan was sound, Napoleon captured Moscow w/o defeating the Russian army and he paid for it. Capturing Moscow w/o destroying Red Army was pointless
@FearAcademy that's were the diffirence between napoleon and hitler is.hitler is stupid and wanted to stay in russia,but napoleon is not,he retreated instead,though his army is very weak,it's still able to have some victories that allowed napoleon get out of russia,where paulus wasnt able to get out.if it was hitler in paulus place,i think hitler would'ved peed in his pants while surrendering,where napoleon chose not to surrender even if his army is very weak and sick...
@teslagod2003 If on considers Napolean and Hitler a married couple with respect to the Russian invasions and Napolean the wife, Hitler was no uxorious husband. The Nazis knew very well what had happened in the Napoleonic campaign and made strenuous efforts to avoid what they deemed disasters. Nonetheless, similarities do exist. For example, Smolensk delayed both Napoleon and Hitler.
@P1B1U1H1 only 1 thing that both napoleon and hitler did wrong,they want to defeat russia in quick decisive battles,where both made mistake.there's no real way to conquer russia in quickness.
unlike hitler,napoleon realized what's about to happen,and he has to retreat and fall back,since napoleon himself is at battlefield.while hitler did not realize what's gonna happen next,so he prefer to stay and prefer not to regroup and reorganize,since he is not in battlefield and knew nothing of it...
@FearAcademy But for the Siberian troops, It is quite possible that Hitler would have captured Moscow and destroyed all Russian military forces protecting the city. Of course, we are all back seat drivers. It might have been more effective to simply go after the oil fields in the Caucasus instead of Moscow, to head South as soon as they entered Russia.
It's amazing how a mighty union like Soviet Russia, could fall, and lose 3 million men only after a few months, lose a great chunk of their air-force and a whole lot of tanks. it makes me wonder if Stalin had his head screwed on correctly.
@andyllamanipl maybe you dont know anything at all.those tanks and planes lost were obselete weapons which is very innefective against blitzkrieg.stalin knows what he's doing,and he has to throw everything he can to hold off the germans,until his real army is ready and can start their own attacks and invasions.this is what you should ask yourself,is hitler had his head screwed correctly,when he thinks russia would fall in just few months,he's prolly living in dream world....
As russian generals used to say about their army - "Narod kak trava - atrastiot". That means "Nation is like grass, it will grow again". This was the attitude of russian leaders to their own people.
wtf are you talking about? the USA doesn't want to stay in Iraq. we have already turned over patroling of there streets to them. the U.S doesn't do patrols or combat missions in Iraq anymore.
Germany could never organize a country they took over. the USA has many times but unlike Germany the USA gave ppl there freedoms and let them do what they want with there country.
France Czech Holland Belgium Norway Denmark Greece Hungary Ukraine Latvia Lithuania Libya Poland all occupied by Germany in much much better condition than Iraq during the occupations
Read Leon Degrelle he will help inform you concerning this subject.
The war became a Pan European conflict by 1943 against Communism with Germany playing the lead role.
What you think America is the only noble country in war. Give me a break
French Resistance was a joke. Hitler graciously gave Marshall Petain his own government(Vichy) about 60% of the country. Paris boomed from 1940-1944. Art Theatre Plays Nighclubs etc
Paul Bremmer couldn't put together an Iraqi government if its life depend on it. It takes how many hundreds of billions just to make Iraq a quarter normal
The Norway incident was a British Commando unit NOT Norwegians. Lucky for US Russia didn't help Iraq resisitance
The Germans were good at occupying countries at the point of a gun. Those occupied nations were very pleased to have the Germans leave. Americans are probably too easy, just trying to secure and democratize countries which they have occupied so that they can leave and live in peace. Germany and Japan turned out well with post-war US "occupation." After decades of dictatorship and submission, the Iraqis were not the most ready and capable partners in restoring their nation to stability.
@hazemvirus no need. the islamic empires are all extinct. nothing remains but backward looking people who think they matter because they can murder a few civilians with a car bomb. primitive really. not factors in the future shaping of the world. that's really what eats at them. the fact that they don't really matter because they contribute nothing.
@stardaddyo9 these you talkin about are terrorists and criminals, and crimes doesnt have religion, Nazis killed millions and they were Catholics, the irish did the bombings in britain in the last 50 years were christians, is isreal today and for the last 60 years they butcher arabs doesnt matter if they are muslims or christians, all of these im talking about are criminals just like that fuck bin ladin, but w/e these people do, it doest make all jews and christians and even muslims are criminals
@stardaddyo9 yeah right,not because you have a support of your government and has a licence on your weapons as well as title soldier,it never meant you can kill innocent lives,which was clearly seen done by US soldiers at many wars they'ved been.it's not really the religion that those other kill for,but for justice,but the other kills because they were ordered to do so by their evil president,who was elected by stupid people who never done anything to uphold real justice...
I don't need to believe lies to be angry at lies. you can go on hte war front on the caliphates all you want, I'm no fan. But when you attack Muslims thats different.
@phausser The plan was to liquidate Slavs, including those in the Ukraine, Latvia, and Lithuania, after the Nazis won, except for those needed as slaves. The tens of millions of corpses would be generated from the same facilities used to murder Jews. The Roma and Poles were already being murdered in mass numbers. There could only be one master race, after all.
Hitler should have taken Moscow first and then announced the new "Ukraine Free Republic". The Ukrainians should have then been armed to help fight Stalin. That would have been the end of the USSR. Hitler was a total idiot. But totalitarians usually are.
The reason why the Germans treated the POWs so badly was that the Soviets, like the Japanese, had not signed the Geneva Conventions, and therefore the Germans felt no need to honour its provisions.
You mean we killed 10 million oppressors that loved to rape, murder and destroy other humans. The scum we killed after WW2 was no different than the Nazi scum we killed during WW2. So if YOU sympathize with the scum communist soldiers we've killed, then you are mentally ill.
10 million? um first of all dumb ass in Grenada we killed Cuban Communist. about 1 million commies died in Vietnam.
Causes!?!?!?! are you retared about Korea!? South Korea was invaded by a communist force the U.N was attacking!!! god your a retard. Afghanistan, ever heard of Bin laden he kind of killed 3,000 Americans.
In 1938 at least eighteen million Vietnamese were being kept in check by a mere 27,000 colonial troops. Yet a scant sixteen years later, colonial forces totalling 450,000 were unable to avoid tactical disaster at Dien Bien Phu and compulsory strategic evacuation south of the seventeenth parallel.
Finally, in the years 1965-1975, various combinations of American, Republic of Vietnam, South Korean, and other allied armed forces totalling up to 1.2 million men were outfoxed, stalemated, and eventually vanquished by the NLF and the Peoples Army of Vietnam
Ronald H. Specter, After Tet, The Free Press, New York, 1993, p. 12: The bombings economic and military damage to North Vietnam was estimated by the CIA at about $130 million by the end of 1966, and more than 35000 North Vietnamese, 80 percent of them civilians, had been killed
ya the commies had no problem storing there SAM site near schools.
also most of those deaths came from the North they woudl go around killing ppl in the south for fun. even children in fact they would kill orphans because they didn't fit there commie system.
um ...right,father did 4 tours in Vietnam Special Operationson 1 given mission he watched a 8 man seal team holding back a company of NVA. after the 1968 tet offensive the VC where all but gone.
or do you have other info on the disapearnce of over 1 million communist Soldiers and fighters?
Population of USSR decreased by 5,9 million in 1933. The annual increase before that year had been 2-3 million. So it's very clear that some 8-9 million lost their lives coz Stalin's antikulag-operation, mostly in Ukraine.
There is no doubt that Stalin was even bigger criminal than Hitler. But still my choice for number one criminal of 20th century is Lenin - he created the greatest State of Terror of that era. What a pitty that finns didn't kill both Stalin and Lenin in Tampere in early 1900's
lie. there is no real data for it. this 6 million of loss is only the speculated interpretation if results of census of 1927 and 1939 in ussr. census of 1927 was the first census in ussr and was not accurate. "annual increase" was is also approximated via census data. And there is only true. We lost millions because of western policy of pushing hitler to the West, and his fucking allys - Finland too.
Russia was 140 million, of whom 1 in 6 died in the war. Their military was some 3 million at the beginning and 5 million toward the end (500 divisions + 50 armored). No country was so fully committed to the war, as their immediate survival was at stake.
The soviet union (which I do not compare with russia, because there was a much more peaceful russia earlier) wanted world domination, like the western countries wanted to keep their.
no wonder, that everyone went fully into war, when hitler attacked poland, and later russia which had already removed all defenses on the border to attack sooner or later (a reasons why the wehrmacht made so fast victories at the beginning).
Red Army soldiers moral went down when they units got new soldiers from areas where germans have been earlier. They told that living under German command was actually better than under communist command.
What interesting - the moral of russian pilots seemed to be quite low in 1944 (actually lower that in 1942). After the war famine was real in large areas of USSR, especially in 1947-48 and population were anticommunist. Record numbers of political prisoners - more than in 1930's.
There too Stalin had been smart. Not only did he build the new industrial cities of the 5 Year Plans in Western Siberia, beyond the reach of the Luftwaffe, he built Moscow's and Leningrad's new subway systems unusually deep and fitted them out as bomb shelters too. Whatever mistakes he made, Stalin made just as many far sighted preparations for this war. Already new weapons were on their way, esp. the T-34 all-around the best tank of WWII, the katusha rocket, the stormavik fighter.
We talk about what the Germans did to the Jews, the Gypsies, et. al. But never forget that they murdered 97% of Russian prisoners of war who fell into their hands. 97%!!!!!!
No wonder they fear Russian revenge, and no wonder the Russian took revenge.
don't blame "the germans" for the nazireign which made russians unworthy life.
germans had basically a good relationship to the russians since katharina the great, born as a german in germany, invited german settlers into empty russian areas they made prosperous then.
At the beginning of the war Stalin transported over 1,2 millions of them into concentration camps in Sibiria, civilians, btw, and over 70000 died there, working for the soviets in the sibirian cold, often without food and clothes
Relations between Russians and Germans went sour after German unification. Germany chose alliance with Austria-Hungary over Russia, with the result that Russia allied with Germany's embittered enemy, republican France. There were also growing cultural differences. In Dostoevsky when a person is said to be going to Germany it is symbolic of his isolation from the Russian spirit. Then WWI, followed by Hitler's Lebensraum in the East theory at the expense of inferior Slavs. Stalin is irrelevant!
stalins terrorism started 20 years before hitlers arrival in russia, and minorities like the germans in russia were always the first to suffer.
and that russia went against germany in the end of the 19th century is not the fault of the germans. A a matter of fact, russian imperialism and protectionism over foreign countries was much stronger than any peacewilling force in that country and came in conflict with the austrian-hungarian maintenance of the status quo in southern east europe
entenkrieger You say I am wrong, but yr first paragraph is irrelegant to the point I made above. Your second paragraph is blurred. AH broke the Treaty of Berlin by annexing Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1908. Slavs made up largest ethnic group in the Dual Monarchy but without political rights. Russia supported the Servs (and still do). In backing AH expansion in the Balkans, Germany forced Russia to find a counter-weight, France. Russian support Serbs was a by-product of nationalism, not imperialism..
and Russian movements and wars in the black sea region were in the same way illegal.
The serbian underground just killed the austrianheir apparent because he was going to change the inequality in A-H (plans to give the slavs also a political represantation).
The Serbian underground were a bunch of fanatical terrorists! Did you ever read the letter of one of those guilty of the FF/DS murder to his daughter? It is all sweet, telling her to be a good girl and obey her mother. It ends, "But above all, remember to love your country and to hate all others." That is narrow Serbian nationalism---tough, tough, tough. As for Russia, its policy was to help Slavs in the Balkans against Turks and Germans. That's understandable!
Terrorists, which were supported by the Government. And not only the Serbian, but also the Russian..
And there has never been a German threat in this region, and neither a Turk.
The Osman empire lost its influence decades before and russia and austria-hungary divided the remains.
Its just that the russians were even more aggressive. Panslavism is just the same threat and hate thing as the NS-ideology. No wonder russia went into war to support a terrorism using country.
First of all, Black Hand ties to the Serbian government existed by no proof that King Peter was involved. No evidence at all that the Russians were involved. And I do not agree with you about German threat to this Region. AH was penetrating this region. Even in the last ten years Austria financed and armed Tudgman's Croation rebellion against the Yugoslav government, and the Germany backed them. German penetration of the Balkans was treatening in 1914 and it remains threatening today!
before they could make peace and end the severe differences in this multicultural nation, serbia had to kill him. because serbia always wanted to surpress the other minorities in the south surrounding region, and got to that point when jugoslavia was founded.
russia just used serbia and still uses them as a supporter and as a satellite state down there..
The treatment of POW's has to do with level of culture. Ignorance breeds suspiciousness. Why is he here? A spy! Why is he a POWr? A shirker! Why did this POW survive when millions were starved to death or murdered by the Nazis? A collaborator! From a ideological point of view: what tales will he bring back? Will he say that his unit was poorly equipped, badly led, taken by surprise? Will he tell friend that Germans were better off under the Nazis than they are under the Bolsheviks? Lock him up!
What nonsense! 20 million died in the war against Germany. It is you who informs the facts you accept from history and the spin you put on them with ideology. So screw yourself, which I suspect is what you do most of the time anyway.
there's a stalin biograph(Dimitri Wolkogonow ) who counts about 22 million victims only in the period of 1929 to 1953.
And many of the wardeaths were caused by the soviets,their commissars,the chaise after every possible opposition in the population, and just mass murder caused by stalins dementia.
so at last, he killed much more people than this 22 million. and many deaths in war times were also the fault of the russian regime.
end of discussion, affront someone else, if you just can't accept.
I am not going to argue the scale of Stalin's victims, but as you know estimates vary. The most detailded study by Ellman is of the last two years of the great purges, using the archives, is about 1.5 million were arrested of whom 650, thousand were shot. Similarly, estimates of civilian and military war dead vary, going as high as 28 million.
As for your rotten attitude--that's your problem. Don't tell me who I will affront, little man!
No one is telling people to screw themselves. Look, it is not necessary to decide on the scale of Stalin's crimes -- it was vast enough to make him a criminal. What makes the Bolsheviks unique is that they played the game of power politics the way despotic regimes always played it--for keeps, which put their practices in sharp contrast to their stated promises. Bolsheviks didn't sit in coffee shops talking utopian dreams. They fought the fight and like all of that type they are covered in blood.
reading your comment i was thinking "shit, this guys making sense." then i looked at your page an it says your fronm the uk . ahhh i see. greetings from london.
Not True. They killed some, but not nearly as much as the Nazi's did, Look it up in non-american biased material, and you will get more accurate numbers.
This is another myth promulgated by Nazi apologists. Yes, Stalin was a brutal and absolute dictator who was nearly as capricious with life as Hitler, but all the purges in total did not add up to the catastrophe wrought by the Nazis.
if you are talking about genocide Stalin was the more murderous and in fact he really was an ideal for the same minded Hitler in the 20s and 30s. Just compare Stalins 22 million murders with Hitlers 6-7 Million murders on Jews, Roma, Sinti, handicapped people and many thousands of regime enemies - that remains, if you don't add 60 million war deaths to Hitlers bill and just look at the amount of murders.
srry to say it guys.....but gypsies really are a stupid race.....they don't work...the most off them...just steal and do problems...like they did to my Country...Romania...ruining our friendship with the italians
That was in response to the comment that 'Hitler deeply loved his country and the Germanic race. I made the assumption that tobiasroperto meant Germany, even though Hitler was indeed Austrian.
in fact they are native germans and have for example more in common with bavarians than any other german federal states population has.
But after the first world war unification was interdicted, germany should stay asweek as possible.
French statesman and negociator at versailles Clemenceau said concerning this violation of rights of the german people:"The only failure the german people make, is that there are 20 million to much of them."
When I was a kid my friends mother had grown up in Austria during the war and her feeling was that Germany occupied Austria, and that she was Austrian, not German.
first it was occupation. But through a regime, not a foreign nation.
second your friends mother told you this out of a postwar position. After the war most of the austrian people denied that they had anything to do with germans, just because it would mean they would also have to carry the responsibility for the crimes and the bad reputation.
In reality austria and germany were really a nation again from 1938- 1945.
Further, not only in Austria were people who felt the pressure of Nazi-reign.
Austrians and Sudetenlanders made up a vast percentage of the SS, proportionally twice the number of their percentage of the Greater German Reich. Literally, a lot of people got away with murder after the war by claiming that they had been Nazi victims too.
Hitler was a classic necrophiliac personality (Erich Fromm, 1973) who put Germany in a position where nothing but total destruction could be the outcome. He stated his belief that, at the end of the war, Germany should fight to the last man simply because they were not fit to survive. Hitler loved Germany?
Literally millions of Soviet POW's died in German captivity. Most were not murdered, but died of neglect, illness, starvation and weather. In some ways that's as bad or worse than execution...
Eastern Front was a nightmare for both sides. No Mercy given, none asked for...
Yes... the Germans and Russians were ruthless with one another. Ironically after the war about 20,000 US POWs in the East also vanished into Soviet captivity.
I have heard this rumor myself but have never seen any reliable evidence of this or heard of it being verified by a reliable source. If you have a reliable source please post it.
the world is free now but it is an hypocresy among the western powers about which deal of truth they are to willing to accept for their part in the largest, and bloodiest land battle that history would account for. Thank god Hitler was a person that deeply love his country and the germanic race above anyone else, much like the Americans love his country the way that they do, no matter what!!!!!!!!!
What do you mean: "the world is free now"? Tell that to the Chinese (or even more the Tibetans), tell it to the Iranians, the Syrians, the Saudis, the Libyans or the Cubans. Russia is becoming more authoritarian by the day. Not to mention half the countries in Africa where democracy is inexistant.. Genuine political freedom exists for less than half the world's population....
the germans are without doubt the only supreme race. the only thing that Hitler did was to remind them how great they are. If that's a crime then anyone who has the ability to speak should shut his mouth and let anyone speak whaterever thoughts they had on their minds.
You 've posted a lot of garbage but this beats the lot: you compare a Nazi régime which provoked a war which led to the deaths of around 50 million people and which exterminated over 6 million jews, gypsies and others on the basis of an insane racial philosophy and you compare this to Napoleon's military campaigns? Bonaparte's campaigns killed 50 or 60 times fewer people and weren't fought on the basis of race. No comparison between them is possible, except for a cretin who knows NO history!
In fact what this document didn't tell, lots of russians surrended quite easily. Lot's of them didn't want to war. They kill their political leaders. Even in Moscow in October and November 1941 lots of soldiers threw their rifles and refused to fight. Even many NKVD men escaped. There were riots and looting in Moscow .
It was actually worse conditions (weather and poor roads) that stopped germans in late 1941, not so much Red Army. Later Soviet propaganda manipulated history and public.
Germans were surprisingly poor equipped with this huge operation. As Paul Carrell and Alan Clark found, there were hardly 150 tanks in normal German panzerdivision, much less than in Battle of France. Average 20 of them were Pzkw IV and few of them with 75 mm gun.
What about Luftwaffe? At the beginning there were some 1800 aircraft, with lot of accidents and technical problems a month later there were about 1000 capable aircraft left. Airfields were poor and service with big problems.
If you think the Russians were invincible, take a look at the treaty of Brest-Litovsk and what the German war machine did in 1917-1918. Up until the second world war no foreign army had ever battled on German land and no German Field Marshal had ever surrendered
People have forgotten so easily that when ww2 started Soviet U had 2 times more aircrafts and tanks than the rest of the world together. And nearer the beginning of war came more Stalin concentrated industry and military forces to western part of his empire. Was it defensive strategy?
I ask again - was it really defensive strategy? Honest people will reply: NO. Soviet Union was surely at least as imperialistic state as nazi-Germany. I see Soviet U of that time just as war criminal.
there is no doubt that the Soviet Union had its own imperialist designs on Europe (and Asia) from the beginning...hoping they could keep Hitler on the friends' list until he'd done most of the work for Stalin...then Europe would be easy pickings for the USSR.
keep in mind that, while documentaries aim to be as objective as possible, anytime humans are involved in putting history together, opinion and bias DO leak in...but there's great information and footage in this series.
stalin did have imperial ambitions in the east but the concentration of military forces in the west was a response to the nazi concentration. Stalin was a vain and arrogant bully who murdered millions of innocent people and was indeed a criminal -guilty of crimes against humanity. But that doesnt take anything away from the undeniable fact that nazi germany - that includes the leadership, army and people - was rotten to the core and was the darkest and most evil regime the world has ever seen.
my friend, i am not a nazi friendly, but , if you compare hitlers germany and stalins soviet union, ussr was much more unliberal contry, civil rights was in much worst potition. the war crimes of the soviets was twice worst (if you can compare them!) compparing with the berchmact army.
if you study the war crimes in occupied Germany by the soviets you will agree with the majority of the historians.
there is an estimation that 20% of the german women was raped by the soviet soldiers betwwen may '45 till september '45. because stalin has give a green light to that (and not only)
hhaha and what did you expect from soldiers who fought for 4 years because of a crazy Austrian maniac who wanted to obtain ''living space'' ? of course they wanted pussy and had seen millions of they comrades murdered homes burned and Jews gassed. the victors are not judged.
Look up wehrmacht crimes especially in eastern Europe and then dare to say Soviets did worse. It's frankly suspires me that Russians didn't do an eye for an eye retribution towards the German people. Don't get me wrong, it's not that rape isn't a horrible thing, but in all accounts Russian soldiers could have done eye for an eye retribution.
"Look up wehrmacht crimes especially in eastern Europe and then dare to say Soviets did worse."
I won't say that Wermacht crimes were huge. They didn't organisize gangrapings or looting. They didn't rampage just for fun. Partizanwar change very much situation (compare it to Vietnam later). Einsatzgruppe and Gestapo organized genocide that's fact and well documented. And also that many poles, ukraineans and russians were eager to hunt jews. Antisemitism was very common in whole eastern Europe.
The Wehrmacht participated and greatly assisted the beasts of the SS and Gestapo. Why don't you read a history book . Yes Poles Russians, and especially Ukranians were anti-semitic. But in no way can you compare their anti-semitism with German antisemitism. Jews were permitted to fight in the Polish army. Jews were well treated under Josef Pilsudski. The Red armies had Jewish generals. There was nothing to compare with the holocaust.
I had a Vector Analysis Teacher who fought in the Red Army. He said that the Soviets put him "out front" because "they knew that the Germans would shoot me if they caught me".
He hated the Communists and the Nazis, said that "both should be hung with the same rope!"
Even though I'm an ethnic German I hate authoritarianism. A pox on all of them!
not to justify, nor interested in getting into an arguement, but jews also fought in the wehrmacht, and the soviets just simply killed anyone, regardless if they were a jew or not, not saying that the nazis didnt.
@jaythehistorian1 Its true that the Wehrmacht assisted the SS and the Gestapo. I think there is an important distinction, however, between the shootings in the east, which many Wehrmacht commanders refused to participate in, and the gassing of Jews in the concentration camps, which was exclusively an SS operation.
And Stalin did in fact ordered exactly the opposite and many Soviet Officers arrested or shot their soldiers trying to rape women believe it or not, should have officers done a better job ? Hell yes but can you blame them or the soldiers for doing what they did after what Nazis done to their loved ones, land and race ?
if I was in their shoes I would have probably done the same most likely and you would have most likely also.
I didnt quite mean that! i had answered on his comment before so didnt want to write the whole long thing again. what i meant is that Soviets had fought 4 years in terrible -40 conditions just because of a crazy Austrian idiot who ''needed lebensraum'' so they were mad and of course wanted women... and had seen Nazi crimes in Eastern Europe. now about judging by the size of their nose and color well they judged first and next they shoot burned or poisoned them... next, didnt they?
@tranmere789 Soviet military efforts were directed towards defense against foreign invaders, as had been the case for centuries. Al the tanks and aircraft were created for exactly what they were used for--to repel the Nazi monsters. Check out the Harriman interview on this set of tapes. From the long term, that's another question. The ideology of international worker's struggle was assuredly always present.
If russians were honest they would stop worshipping "great patriotic war". The truth is that this war was disaster to Soviet Union. They started ww2 as axies country (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and they collaborate with nazies as early as 1937. Hitler was Stalin's "icebreaker". With Hilter he hoped the democratic institutes will be destroyed and then Stalin will come as "liberator".
This is the secret russians don't want to talk about. It' still a tabu of Kreml.
Quite many historicians have asked during the last decades that if Germany was really planning to conquer the world with 3000 tanks, then what was Stalin planning to do with 30 000 tanks.
We will find the answer if someday Russia is ready to open the most secret documents of Kreml. I mean if they haven't destroyed them before that.
No, while Stalingrad was the large and important industrial city of the region, but it was soon bombed and destroyed by the Luftwaffe. After that, it didn't have much military value, Victory in the Battle of Stalingrad was though important for Russian moral in that it represented the first major defeat of the Axis forces and far from invincible
If Hitler didnt go to kiev he would take moscow which was more important, but he didnt realize that. Then the Russian winter raised and fighting for Moscow was hard and the Germans oulled out, but if would take Moscow directly they would win.
If Hitler didnt go to kiev he would take moscow which was more important, but he didnt realize that. Then the Russian winter raised and fighting for Moscow was hard and the Germans pulled out, but if they would take Moscow directly they would win.
"Russians seldom cried out when wounded". What a big stalinist myth of westeners seem to swallow so easily. They actually cried out as much as other soldiers when wounded. E.g when shut to lever.
Amazing why this great british tv-serie swallow most of the russian propaganda about begin of Barbarossa. They would have had to know that Stalin was planning to attack west in july 1941. But when germans started their offensive the sovjet leaders were shocked. Keitel told the truth in Nurnberg trial and even russians addmit this historial truth.
What's the name of the song playing just in the beginning seconds of this video? Please!
richbertoni 1 year ago
ich libe dich hitler
AirNuked 1 year ago
Wow they were so fucking close to Moscow and they just left it
TopForkZombi 1 year ago
@TopForkZombi hahaha yes xD, the same thing happened in Stalingrad, the city was made shit by the luftwaffe, and russians fought so fucking insame xD!
DeutschlandFrau 1 year ago
It's hard to imagine losing 3 million men in three months of fighting. Any other army - the US included - would have crumbled.
Towncrier123 1 year ago
German troops were welcomed much like Americans in France in the western Soviet territories, most of which had great hatred for Stalin and their Russian masters. Sadly rather than embrace the local populations as the friends they wanted to be the Nazi's turned barbaric on them. Instead of being thousands of miles into enemy territory, they may have been in safe supportive allied lands. The ultimate example the failure of racial superiority ideology.
corn1971 1 year ago
i think Hitler's initial plan was sound, Napoleon captured Moscow w/o defeating the Russian army and he paid for it. Capturing Moscow w/o destroying Red Army was pointless
FearAcademy 1 year ago
@FearAcademy that's were the diffirence between napoleon and hitler is.hitler is stupid and wanted to stay in russia,but napoleon is not,he retreated instead,though his army is very weak,it's still able to have some victories that allowed napoleon get out of russia,where paulus wasnt able to get out.if it was hitler in paulus place,i think hitler would'ved peed in his pants while surrendering,where napoleon chose not to surrender even if his army is very weak and sick...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@teslagod2003 If on considers Napolean and Hitler a married couple with respect to the Russian invasions and Napolean the wife, Hitler was no uxorious husband. The Nazis knew very well what had happened in the Napoleonic campaign and made strenuous efforts to avoid what they deemed disasters. Nonetheless, similarities do exist. For example, Smolensk delayed both Napoleon and Hitler.
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
@P1B1U1H1 only 1 thing that both napoleon and hitler did wrong,they want to defeat russia in quick decisive battles,where both made mistake.there's no real way to conquer russia in quickness.
unlike hitler,napoleon realized what's about to happen,and he has to retreat and fall back,since napoleon himself is at battlefield.while hitler did not realize what's gonna happen next,so he prefer to stay and prefer not to regroup and reorganize,since he is not in battlefield and knew nothing of it...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@FearAcademy But for the Siberian troops, It is quite possible that Hitler would have captured Moscow and destroyed all Russian military forces protecting the city. Of course, we are all back seat drivers. It might have been more effective to simply go after the oil fields in the Caucasus instead of Moscow, to head South as soon as they entered Russia.
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
It's amazing how a mighty union like Soviet Russia, could fall, and lose 3 million men only after a few months, lose a great chunk of their air-force and a whole lot of tanks. it makes me wonder if Stalin had his head screwed on correctly.
andyllamanipl 1 year ago
@andyllamanipl maybe you dont know anything at all.those tanks and planes lost were obselete weapons which is very innefective against blitzkrieg.stalin knows what he's doing,and he has to throw everything he can to hold off the germans,until his real army is ready and can start their own attacks and invasions.this is what you should ask yourself,is hitler had his head screwed correctly,when he thinks russia would fall in just few months,he's prolly living in dream world....
teslagod2003 1 year ago
moscow had to be the only goal. dont turn south. keep going north for moscow. hit the head and the body falls.
Rico8458 1 year ago
crazy, over 500,000 captured in 30 days? wow. germans are superior. then later 3,000,000 more captured. lol
Rico8458 1 year ago
7:19 Russian communist arrogance - Borodino was a Russian defeat.
woodbinedrinker 1 year ago
ye technically, but more called a "pyrrhic victory" for the French
IvanBeSerious 1 year ago
2:42
You wouldn't want to be inside that house when that shell hit.
youse12132 1 year ago
um...no, Frances has the most well known reisistance fighters of ww2
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
@Dogmeat1950 france has also the most known collaborationists of ww2
nightwish1000 1 year ago
As russian generals used to say about their army - "Narod kak trava - atrastiot". That means "Nation is like grass, it will grow again". This was the attitude of russian leaders to their own people.
RabidBunnyRabbit 1 year ago
HAA HAA
The Germans are better received in Ukraine Latvia and Lithuania as Liberaters than the US is in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I love it. Fuck you George Bush Barack Obama
Oh and Heil Hitler and the Whermacht!!
phausser 1 year ago
phausser Iraq was is perrty much over lol. and they where treated as Liberaters in fact 90% of the fighters in Iraq were not even iraqi
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
The US is still far inferior to the Germans at organizing countries in which they occupy.
Hell you guys can barely get the power to stay on in Iraq and the Sewer system working 8 years later. I am not impressed.
The Arabs hate you because your a Zionist Jewish lackey army in Iraq
phausser 1 year ago
wtf are you talking about? the USA doesn't want to stay in Iraq. we have already turned over patroling of there streets to them. the U.S doesn't do patrols or combat missions in Iraq anymore.
Germany could never organize a country they took over. the USA has many times but unlike Germany the USA gave ppl there freedoms and let them do what they want with there country.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
You have been lied to.
France Czech Holland Belgium Norway Denmark Greece Hungary Ukraine Latvia Lithuania Libya Poland all occupied by Germany in much much better condition than Iraq during the occupations
Read Leon Degrelle he will help inform you concerning this subject.
The war became a Pan European conflict by 1943 against Communism with Germany playing the lead role.
What you think America is the only noble country in war. Give me a break
phausser 1 year ago
ahahahaha French Resistance ring a bell? hell Hitler almost got killed like 6 times by his OWN PPL!!!
the Resistance in Norway blew up German heavy water shipments.
the in the East Partasain Partisans where do a number on the Germans, hell Hitler had too spread Forces out to try and keep country's in check.
Hell I had a Art teach who was a Axis Fighter pilot and he got captured by Partisans in 1944
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
French Resistance was a joke. Hitler graciously gave Marshall Petain his own government(Vichy) about 60% of the country. Paris boomed from 1940-1944. Art Theatre Plays Nighclubs etc
Paul Bremmer couldn't put together an Iraqi government if its life depend on it. It takes how many hundreds of billions just to make Iraq a quarter normal
The Norway incident was a British Commando unit NOT Norwegians. Lucky for US Russia didn't help Iraq resisitance
Got to go Its all good fun
phausser 1 year ago
The Germans were good at occupying countries at the point of a gun. Those occupied nations were very pleased to have the Germans leave. Americans are probably too easy, just trying to secure and democratize countries which they have occupied so that they can leave and live in peace. Germany and Japan turned out well with post-war US "occupation." After decades of dictatorship and submission, the Iraqis were not the most ready and capable partners in restoring their nation to stability.
BlondCT 1 year ago
@BlondCT islam is not compatable with democray.
stardaddyo9 1 year ago
@stardaddyo9 then you better start studying religion
hazemvirus 1 year ago
@hazemvirus no need. the islamic empires are all extinct. nothing remains but backward looking people who think they matter because they can murder a few civilians with a car bomb. primitive really. not factors in the future shaping of the world. that's really what eats at them. the fact that they don't really matter because they contribute nothing.
stardaddyo9 1 year ago
@stardaddyo9 these you talkin about are terrorists and criminals, and crimes doesnt have religion, Nazis killed millions and they were Catholics, the irish did the bombings in britain in the last 50 years were christians, is isreal today and for the last 60 years they butcher arabs doesnt matter if they are muslims or christians, all of these im talking about are criminals just like that fuck bin ladin, but w/e these people do, it doest make all jews and christians and even muslims are criminals
hazemvirus 1 year ago
@stardaddyo9 yeah right,not because you have a support of your government and has a licence on your weapons as well as title soldier,it never meant you can kill innocent lives,which was clearly seen done by US soldiers at many wars they'ved been.it's not really the religion that those other kill for,but for justice,but the other kills because they were ordered to do so by their evil president,who was elected by stupid people who never done anything to uphold real justice...
teslagod2003 1 year ago
@teslagod2003 i'm sorry friend i do not have the pleasure of understanding you. your english is incorherent
stardaddyo9 1 year ago
@stardaddyo9
idiot. you are no better than those Germans spreading lies about Judiasm in Nazi Germany.
shayaan2354 1 year ago
@shayaan2354 you surely have found some glimmer of truth in what i said, or you would not be so angry.
stardaddyo9 1 year ago
@stardaddyo9
I don't need to believe lies to be angry at lies. you can go on hte war front on the caliphates all you want, I'm no fan. But when you attack Muslims thats different.
shayaan2354 1 year ago
@phausser The plan was to liquidate Slavs, including those in the Ukraine, Latvia, and Lithuania, after the Nazis won, except for those needed as slaves. The tens of millions of corpses would be generated from the same facilities used to murder Jews. The Roma and Poles were already being murdered in mass numbers. There could only be one master race, after all.
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
4:27 makes an interesting point.
83ls 1 year ago 3
Hitler should have taken Moscow first and then announced the new "Ukraine Free Republic". The Ukrainians should have then been armed to help fight Stalin. That would have been the end of the USSR. Hitler was a total idiot. But totalitarians usually are.
eflint1 2 years ago
The reason why the Germans treated the POWs so badly was that the Soviets, like the Japanese, had not signed the Geneva Conventions, and therefore the Germans felt no need to honour its provisions.
habsmeister09 2 years ago
3 out of every hundred Russian POW's survived the Nazi hospitality.
alexa00911 2 years ago
Greatest State of Terror of that era? That USA. They kill 10 million mens in Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq, with cause?
PAVNsoldier 2 years ago
You mean we killed 10 million oppressors that loved to rape, murder and destroy other humans. The scum we killed after WW2 was no different than the Nazi scum we killed during WW2. So if YOU sympathize with the scum communist soldiers we've killed, then you are mentally ill.
eflint1 2 years ago
10 million? um first of all dumb ass in Grenada we killed Cuban Communist. about 1 million commies died in Vietnam.
Causes!?!?!?! are you retared about Korea!? South Korea was invaded by a communist force the U.N was attacking!!! god your a retard. Afghanistan, ever heard of Bin laden he kind of killed 3,000 Americans.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
Vietnamese Tradition On Trial 1920-1945:
In 1938 at least eighteen million Vietnamese were being kept in check by a mere 27,000 colonial troops. Yet a scant sixteen years later, colonial forces totalling 450,000 were unable to avoid tactical disaster at Dien Bien Phu and compulsory strategic evacuation south of the seventeenth parallel.
PAVNsoldier 1 year ago
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Finally, in the years 1965-1975, various combinations of American, Republic of Vietnam, South Korean, and other allied armed forces totalling up to 1.2 million men were outfoxed, stalemated, and eventually vanquished by the NLF and the Peoples Army of Vietnam
PAVNsoldier 1 year ago
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Ronald H. Specter, After Tet, The Free Press, New York, 1993, p. 12: The bombings economic and military damage to North Vietnam was estimated by the CIA at about $130 million by the end of 1966, and more than 35000 North Vietnamese, 80 percent of them civilians, had been killed
PAVNsoldier 1 year ago
During 1960-1973, US drop 7.850.000 tons BOMB. Nearly 3 million Vietnamese civilians have been killed
PAVNsoldier 1 year ago
ya the commies had no problem storing there SAM site near schools.
also most of those deaths came from the North they woudl go around killing ppl in the south for fun. even children in fact they would kill orphans because they didn't fit there commie system.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
HAHA. Yankee Stupid.
After 40 years, the Yankee still unkown Why did they lose? Even the Yankee belive them kill 10:1 in Vietnam, or the Earth only 10.000 years
PAVNsoldier 1 year ago
um ...right,father did 4 tours in Vietnam Special Operationson 1 given mission he watched a 8 man seal team holding back a company of NVA. after the 1968 tet offensive the VC where all but gone.
or do you have other info on the disapearnce of over 1 million communist Soldiers and fighters?
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
The German Army of WW1 and WW2 has still the all time kill record on the battlefield
US is way behind. That stat irks the hell out of the Pentagon and US Military
phausser 1 year ago
And How many US casualities? 58K kill and 304K wounded, 4000 aircraft losses
And US henchman (ARVN, Kindom of Lao, South Korea...)? 270K kill, 1.2 million wounded and 1.1 mil captured
Ratio 10:1: LOL
PAVNsoldier 1 year ago
Population of USSR decreased by 5,9 million in 1933. The annual increase before that year had been 2-3 million. So it's very clear that some 8-9 million lost their lives coz Stalin's antikulag-operation, mostly in Ukraine.
There is no doubt that Stalin was even bigger criminal than Hitler. But still my choice for number one criminal of 20th century is Lenin - he created the greatest State of Terror of that era. What a pitty that finns didn't kill both Stalin and Lenin in Tampere in early 1900's
tranmere789 2 years ago
@tranmere789
lie. there is no real data for it. this 6 million of loss is only the speculated interpretation if results of census of 1927 and 1939 in ussr. census of 1927 was the first census in ussr and was not accurate. "annual increase" was is also approximated via census data. And there is only true. We lost millions because of western policy of pushing hitler to the West, and his fucking allys - Finland too.
HereIsRussia 2 years ago
today russia has like only 200 million people? but back than they had hundreds of millions of troops?
lifes40123 2 years ago
Russia was 140 million, of whom 1 in 6 died in the war. Their military was some 3 million at the beginning and 5 million toward the end (500 divisions + 50 armored). No country was so fully committed to the war, as their immediate survival was at stake.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
The soviet union (which I do not compare with russia, because there was a much more peaceful russia earlier) wanted world domination, like the western countries wanted to keep their.
no wonder, that everyone went fully into war, when hitler attacked poland, and later russia which had already removed all defenses on the border to attack sooner or later (a reasons why the wehrmacht made so fast victories at the beginning).
entenkrieger 2 years ago
Most demagogues prefer to act as if having an ideology were a crime by itself ...
fredhubner 2 years ago
Red Army soldiers moral went down when they units got new soldiers from areas where germans have been earlier. They told that living under German command was actually better than under communist command.
What interesting - the moral of russian pilots seemed to be quite low in 1944 (actually lower that in 1942). After the war famine was real in large areas of USSR, especially in 1947-48 and population were anticommunist. Record numbers of political prisoners - more than in 1930's.
tranmere789 2 years ago 2
-- CCCP screwed HITLERS army and that is IT ... THE END of story ...
1.600.000 Germans were prisoners of RED ARMY .
THis led to after ww-II CCCP enlargement and NUclear Build UP . WHICH means now NOBODY is going to fuck with RUSSIAN Federation.
aviomaster 2 years ago
-- I thnk another world war is very close ,,, WW-III ...
aviomaster 2 years ago
are you a man of numbers?
puzokutya 2 years ago
even though they were bloody commies, you have to admire there rezialance.
bradykroeker999 2 years ago 5
Yes! Truth is not simple!!
mc0558 2 years ago
There too Stalin had been smart. Not only did he build the new industrial cities of the 5 Year Plans in Western Siberia, beyond the reach of the Luftwaffe, he built Moscow's and Leningrad's new subway systems unusually deep and fitted them out as bomb shelters too. Whatever mistakes he made, Stalin made just as many far sighted preparations for this war. Already new weapons were on their way, esp. the T-34 all-around the best tank of WWII, the katusha rocket, the stormavik fighter.
mc0558 2 years ago
We talk about what the Germans did to the Jews, the Gypsies, et. al. But never forget that they murdered 97% of Russian prisoners of war who fell into their hands. 97%!!!!!!
No wonder they fear Russian revenge, and no wonder the Russian took revenge.
mc0558 2 years ago 2
don't blame "the germans" for the nazireign which made russians unworthy life.
germans had basically a good relationship to the russians since katharina the great, born as a german in germany, invited german settlers into empty russian areas they made prosperous then.
At the beginning of the war Stalin transported over 1,2 millions of them into concentration camps in Sibiria, civilians, btw, and over 70000 died there, working for the soviets in the sibirian cold, often without food and clothes
entenkrieger 2 years ago
Relations between Russians and Germans went sour after German unification. Germany chose alliance with Austria-Hungary over Russia, with the result that Russia allied with Germany's embittered enemy, republican France. There were also growing cultural differences. In Dostoevsky when a person is said to be going to Germany it is symbolic of his isolation from the Russian spirit. Then WWI, followed by Hitler's Lebensraum in the East theory at the expense of inferior Slavs. Stalin is irrelevant!
mc0558 2 years ago
wrong.
stalins terrorism started 20 years before hitlers arrival in russia, and minorities like the germans in russia were always the first to suffer.
and that russia went against germany in the end of the 19th century is not the fault of the germans. A a matter of fact, russian imperialism and protectionism over foreign countries was much stronger than any peacewilling force in that country and came in conflict with the austrian-hungarian maintenance of the status quo in southern east europe
entenkrieger 2 years ago
entenkrieger You say I am wrong, but yr first paragraph is irrelegant to the point I made above. Your second paragraph is blurred. AH broke the Treaty of Berlin by annexing Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1908. Slavs made up largest ethnic group in the Dual Monarchy but without political rights. Russia supported the Servs (and still do). In backing AH expansion in the Balkans, Germany forced Russia to find a counter-weight, France. Russian support Serbs was a by-product of nationalism, not imperialism..
mc0558 2 years ago
and Russian movements and wars in the black sea region were in the same way illegal.
The serbian underground just killed the austrianheir apparent because he was going to change the inequality in A-H (plans to give the slavs also a political represantation).
entenkrieger 2 years ago
The Serbian underground were a bunch of fanatical terrorists! Did you ever read the letter of one of those guilty of the FF/DS murder to his daughter? It is all sweet, telling her to be a good girl and obey her mother. It ends, "But above all, remember to love your country and to hate all others." That is narrow Serbian nationalism---tough, tough, tough. As for Russia, its policy was to help Slavs in the Balkans against Turks and Germans. That's understandable!
mc0558 2 years ago
Terrorists, which were supported by the Government. And not only the Serbian, but also the Russian..
And there has never been a German threat in this region, and neither a Turk.
The Osman empire lost its influence decades before and russia and austria-hungary divided the remains.
Its just that the russians were even more aggressive. Panslavism is just the same threat and hate thing as the NS-ideology. No wonder russia went into war to support a terrorism using country.
entenkrieger 2 years ago
First of all, Black Hand ties to the Serbian government existed by no proof that King Peter was involved. No evidence at all that the Russians were involved. And I do not agree with you about German threat to this Region. AH was penetrating this region. Even in the last ten years Austria financed and armed Tudgman's Croation rebellion against the Yugoslav government, and the Germany backed them. German penetration of the Balkans was treatening in 1914 and it remains threatening today!
mc0558 2 years ago
before they could make peace and end the severe differences in this multicultural nation, serbia had to kill him. because serbia always wanted to surpress the other minorities in the south surrounding region, and got to that point when jugoslavia was founded.
russia just used serbia and still uses them as a supporter and as a satellite state down there..
entenkrieger 2 years ago
yep. 3 million POW starved to death or left to rot.
than again the russians trreated liberated russian POW's as traitors and sent them to siberia....war is hell, breeds fucking madmen.
puzokutya 2 years ago
The treatment of POW's has to do with level of culture. Ignorance breeds suspiciousness. Why is he here? A spy! Why is he a POWr? A shirker! Why did this POW survive when millions were starved to death or murdered by the Nazis? A collaborator! From a ideological point of view: what tales will he bring back? Will he say that his unit was poorly equipped, badly led, taken by surprise? Will he tell friend that Germans were better off under the Nazis than they are under the Bolsheviks? Lock him up!
mc0558 2 years ago
the bolsheviks killed many times as much russians as the nazis did.
look it up yourself, and screw your ideology!
entenkrieger 2 years ago
What nonsense! 20 million died in the war against Germany. It is you who informs the facts you accept from history and the spin you put on them with ideology. So screw yourself, which I suspect is what you do most of the time anyway.
mc0558 2 years ago
there's a stalin biograph(Dimitri Wolkogonow ) who counts about 22 million victims only in the period of 1929 to 1953.
And many of the wardeaths were caused by the soviets,their commissars,the chaise after every possible opposition in the population, and just mass murder caused by stalins dementia.
so at last, he killed much more people than this 22 million. and many deaths in war times were also the fault of the russian regime.
end of discussion, affront someone else, if you just can't accept.
entenkrieger 2 years ago
I am not going to argue the scale of Stalin's victims, but as you know estimates vary. The most detailded study by Ellman is of the last two years of the great purges, using the archives, is about 1.5 million were arrested of whom 650, thousand were shot. Similarly, estimates of civilian and military war dead vary, going as high as 28 million.
As for your rotten attitude--that's your problem. Don't tell me who I will affront, little man!
mc0558 2 years ago
and another estimated 20 million got killed by Stalin, Russians of course.
be proud, go on telling people to screw themselves.
entenkrieger 2 years ago
No one is telling people to screw themselves. Look, it is not necessary to decide on the scale of Stalin's crimes -- it was vast enough to make him a criminal. What makes the Bolsheviks unique is that they played the game of power politics the way despotic regimes always played it--for keeps, which put their practices in sharp contrast to their stated promises. Bolsheviks didn't sit in coffee shops talking utopian dreams. They fought the fight and like all of that type they are covered in blood.
mc0558 2 years ago
reading your comment i was thinking "shit, this guys making sense." then i looked at your page an it says your fronm the uk . ahhh i see. greetings from london.
patsyd80 2 years ago
you make alot of sense in your comments. would like you to take the time to read my comment on the last page(3of6) an let me know your opion???
patsyd80 2 years ago
Patsyd80 - I'd like to read your commen, but I dan't find it. Could you not copy and paste it to me personally?
Cheers!
mc0558 2 years ago
Not True. They killed some, but not nearly as much as the Nazi's did, Look it up in non-american biased material, and you will get more accurate numbers.
MillitaryMind927 2 years ago
This is another myth promulgated by Nazi apologists. Yes, Stalin was a brutal and absolute dictator who was nearly as capricious with life as Hitler, but all the purges in total did not add up to the catastrophe wrought by the Nazis.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
What a boolshit you are talking about- you SS ideologist!! Stop justifying Nazi regim!!
Mrjaguarpaw1 2 years ago
i don't know who are you talking to- but concerning me, I'd blame them, instead of the Germans.
That's the opposite of justifying, you know ?
Nothing justifies murderers, whether Nazi-murderers and the try to commit a genocide, nor Allied war crimes, or Stalins mass terror and genocides.
entenkrieger 2 years ago
@entenkrieger Nothing compared to the murderous scheming of the Nazi leadership.
mustwinder 2 years ago
if you are talking about genocide Stalin was the more murderous and in fact he really was an ideal for the same minded Hitler in the 20s and 30s. Just compare Stalins 22 million murders with Hitlers 6-7 Million murders on Jews, Roma, Sinti, handicapped people and many thousands of regime enemies - that remains, if you don't add 60 million war deaths to Hitlers bill and just look at the amount of murders.
entenkrieger 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but Stalin was just as bad if not worse than Hitler.
eflint1 2 years ago
No wonder the Russians were suspicious of those Soviet POWs who returned from Germany all bright eyed and bushy tailed!
mc0558 2 years ago
srry to say it guys.....but gypsies really are a stupid race.....they don't work...the most off them...just steal and do problems...like they did to my Country...Romania...ruining our friendship with the italians
danbarnosu 2 years ago
That was in response to the comment that 'Hitler deeply loved his country and the Germanic race. I made the assumption that tobiasroperto meant Germany, even though Hitler was indeed Austrian.
chosin22 2 years ago
until 1945 austrians saw themselves as germans.
in fact they are native germans and have for example more in common with bavarians than any other german federal states population has.
But after the first world war unification was interdicted, germany should stay asweek as possible.
French statesman and negociator at versailles Clemenceau said concerning this violation of rights of the german people:"The only failure the german people make, is that there are 20 million to much of them."
entenkrieger 2 years ago
When I was a kid my friends mother had grown up in Austria during the war and her feeling was that Germany occupied Austria, and that she was Austrian, not German.
chosin22 2 years ago
first it was occupation. But through a regime, not a foreign nation.
second your friends mother told you this out of a postwar position. After the war most of the austrian people denied that they had anything to do with germans, just because it would mean they would also have to carry the responsibility for the crimes and the bad reputation.
In reality austria and germany were really a nation again from 1938- 1945.
Further, not only in Austria were people who felt the pressure of Nazi-reign.
entnkriega 2 years ago
Austrians and Sudetenlanders made up a vast percentage of the SS, proportionally twice the number of their percentage of the Greater German Reich. Literally, a lot of people got away with murder after the war by claiming that they had been Nazi victims too.
mc0558 2 years ago
clemanceau was a terrible poltician. couldn't see he was fucking it up worse than it was before.
puzokutya 2 years ago
what is the name of the song from :40 to 1:10???
charleyhopp 2 years ago
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richbertoni 1 year ago
Hitler was a classic necrophiliac personality (Erich Fromm, 1973) who put Germany in a position where nothing but total destruction could be the outcome. He stated his belief that, at the end of the war, Germany should fight to the last man simply because they were not fit to survive. Hitler loved Germany?
chosin22 2 years ago 2
Why should an Austrian "love Germany"?
gene15644a 2 years ago
Gene - There is no reason at all!
mc0558 2 years ago
I didnt know the germans killed so many pow's..i thought just the russians and japan were guilty of that
fuckoff187 2 years ago
Literally millions of Soviet POW's died in German captivity. Most were not murdered, but died of neglect, illness, starvation and weather. In some ways that's as bad or worse than execution...
Eastern Front was a nightmare for both sides. No Mercy given, none asked for...
randy95023 2 years ago 2
Yes... the Germans and Russians were ruthless with one another. Ironically after the war about 20,000 US POWs in the East also vanished into Soviet captivity.
gene15644a 2 years ago
I have heard this rumor myself but have never seen any reliable evidence of this or heard of it being verified by a reliable source. If you have a reliable source please post it.
brodybear83 2 years ago
The only evidence I ever had was from my VA instructor. He was VERY adamant that the Soviets knew he was "at risk" on the front lines..
gene15644a 2 years ago
Anyone know the name of the song which begins about 0:48 seconds into the clip?
marcusmanilius 2 years ago
Ist "Wenn Wir Marschieren"
richbertoni 1 year ago
"Thank God" and "Hitler" in the same sentence is a little taboo unless your saying "Thank God He's Dead".
DLynnguitarplayer 2 years ago
the world is free now but it is an hypocresy among the western powers about which deal of truth they are to willing to accept for their part in the largest, and bloodiest land battle that history would account for. Thank god Hitler was a person that deeply love his country and the germanic race above anyone else, much like the Americans love his country the way that they do, no matter what!!!!!!!!!
tobiasroperto 2 years ago
What do you mean: "the world is free now"? Tell that to the Chinese (or even more the Tibetans), tell it to the Iranians, the Syrians, the Saudis, the Libyans or the Cubans. Russia is becoming more authoritarian by the day. Not to mention half the countries in Africa where democracy is inexistant.. Genuine political freedom exists for less than half the world's population....
DrZenith 2 years ago
Genuine political freedom does not exist anywhere. Its the rich people who rule and do whatever they want in the expense of the working people.
7aliaivo 2 years ago
Excuse me for a bit aggressive approach if you felt that way but that is my belief. Peace.
7aliaivo 2 years ago
and the US...
jgcooper 2 years ago
the germans are without doubt the only supreme race. the only thing that Hitler did was to remind them how great they are. If that's a crime then anyone who has the ability to speak should shut his mouth and let anyone speak whaterever thoughts they had on their minds.
tobiasroperto 2 years ago
I agree about the Germans being superior. One siùmply needs to take a look at their inventions and innovation abilities
Another superior race is jews ))
Shizietje 2 years ago
so much has been said about the nazi regime, but it's the same about the napoleon empire.
tobiasroperto 2 years ago
You 've posted a lot of garbage but this beats the lot: you compare a Nazi régime which provoked a war which led to the deaths of around 50 million people and which exterminated over 6 million jews, gypsies and others on the basis of an insane racial philosophy and you compare this to Napoleon's military campaigns? Bonaparte's campaigns killed 50 or 60 times fewer people and weren't fought on the basis of race. No comparison between them is possible, except for a cretin who knows NO history!
DrZenith 2 years ago
In fact what this document didn't tell, lots of russians surrended quite easily. Lot's of them didn't want to war. They kill their political leaders. Even in Moscow in October and November 1941 lots of soldiers threw their rifles and refused to fight. Even many NKVD men escaped. There were riots and looting in Moscow .
It was actually worse conditions (weather and poor roads) that stopped germans in late 1941, not so much Red Army. Later Soviet propaganda manipulated history and public.
tranmere789 2 years ago
Germans were surprisingly poor equipped with this huge operation. As Paul Carrell and Alan Clark found, there were hardly 150 tanks in normal German panzerdivision, much less than in Battle of France. Average 20 of them were Pzkw IV and few of them with 75 mm gun.
What about Luftwaffe? At the beginning there were some 1800 aircraft, with lot of accidents and technical problems a month later there were about 1000 capable aircraft left. Airfields were poor and service with big problems.
tranmere789 2 years ago
If you think the Russians were invincible, take a look at the treaty of Brest-Litovsk and what the German war machine did in 1917-1918. Up until the second world war no foreign army had ever battled on German land and no German Field Marshal had ever surrendered
montrealturbo 2 years ago 6
no - thats just paranoia.
bunterx 2 years ago
People have forgotten so easily that when ww2 started Soviet U had 2 times more aircrafts and tanks than the rest of the world together. And nearer the beginning of war came more Stalin concentrated industry and military forces to western part of his empire. Was it defensive strategy?
I ask again - was it really defensive strategy? Honest people will reply: NO. Soviet Union was surely at least as imperialistic state as nazi-Germany. I see Soviet U of that time just as war criminal.
tranmere789 3 years ago
there is no doubt that the Soviet Union had its own imperialist designs on Europe (and Asia) from the beginning...hoping they could keep Hitler on the friends' list until he'd done most of the work for Stalin...then Europe would be easy pickings for the USSR.
keep in mind that, while documentaries aim to be as objective as possible, anytime humans are involved in putting history together, opinion and bias DO leak in...but there's great information and footage in this series.
damoosebelly 3 years ago
stalin did have imperial ambitions in the east but the concentration of military forces in the west was a response to the nazi concentration. Stalin was a vain and arrogant bully who murdered millions of innocent people and was indeed a criminal -guilty of crimes against humanity. But that doesnt take anything away from the undeniable fact that nazi germany - that includes the leadership, army and people - was rotten to the core and was the darkest and most evil regime the world has ever seen.
bunterx 2 years ago
my friend, i am not a nazi friendly, but , if you compare hitlers germany and stalins soviet union, ussr was much more unliberal contry, civil rights was in much worst potition. the war crimes of the soviets was twice worst (if you can compare them!) compparing with the berchmact army.
argichris 2 years ago
the war crimes of the soviets was twice worst ? are you for fucking real ?
darkon112 2 years ago
unforunately my friend this is true.
if you study the war crimes in occupied Germany by the soviets you will agree with the majority of the historians.
there is an estimation that 20% of the german women was raped by the soviet soldiers betwwen may '45 till september '45. because stalin has give a green light to that (and not only)
argichris 2 years ago
hhaha and what did you expect from soldiers who fought for 4 years because of a crazy Austrian maniac who wanted to obtain ''living space'' ? of course they wanted pussy and had seen millions of they comrades murdered homes burned and Jews gassed. the victors are not judged.
din33z 2 years ago
unforunately my friend it's not.
Look up wehrmacht crimes especially in eastern Europe and then dare to say Soviets did worse. It's frankly suspires me that Russians didn't do an eye for an eye retribution towards the German people. Don't get me wrong, it's not that rape isn't a horrible thing, but in all accounts Russian soldiers could have done eye for an eye retribution.
darkon112 2 years ago
"Look up wehrmacht crimes especially in eastern Europe and then dare to say Soviets did worse."
I won't say that Wermacht crimes were huge. They didn't organisize gangrapings or looting. They didn't rampage just for fun. Partizanwar change very much situation (compare it to Vietnam later). Einsatzgruppe and Gestapo organized genocide that's fact and well documented. And also that many poles, ukraineans and russians were eager to hunt jews. Antisemitism was very common in whole eastern Europe.
tranmere789 2 years ago
The did infact gangrape and they did loot.
darkon112 2 years ago 4
The Wehrmacht participated and greatly assisted the beasts of the SS and Gestapo. Why don't you read a history book . Yes Poles Russians, and especially Ukranians were anti-semitic. But in no way can you compare their anti-semitism with German antisemitism. Jews were permitted to fight in the Polish army. Jews were well treated under Josef Pilsudski. The Red armies had Jewish generals. There was nothing to compare with the holocaust.
jaythehistorian1 2 years ago 3
I had a Vector Analysis Teacher who fought in the Red Army. He said that the Soviets put him "out front" because "they knew that the Germans would shoot me if they caught me".
He hated the Communists and the Nazis, said that "both should be hung with the same rope!"
Even though I'm an ethnic German I hate authoritarianism. A pox on all of them!
gene15644a 2 years ago 2
not to justify, nor interested in getting into an arguement, but jews also fought in the wehrmacht, and the soviets just simply killed anyone, regardless if they were a jew or not, not saying that the nazis didnt.
jgcooper 2 years ago
@jaythehistorian1 Its true that the Wehrmacht assisted the SS and the Gestapo. I think there is an important distinction, however, between the shootings in the east, which many Wehrmacht commanders refused to participate in, and the gassing of Jews in the concentration camps, which was exclusively an SS operation.
disamjisa 1 year ago
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darkon112 2 years ago
You have lost your fucking mind. at least they didnt judge the people by their race or size of noses!
din33z 2 years ago
you are right. it is better to rape a woman than judje her, from the size of her nose.
rape them all, not only them with the big nose. i think this way is much more fair.....
argichris 2 years ago
And Stalin did in fact ordered exactly the opposite and many Soviet Officers arrested or shot their soldiers trying to rape women believe it or not, should have officers done a better job ? Hell yes but can you blame them or the soldiers for doing what they did after what Nazis done to their loved ones, land and race ?
if I was in their shoes I would have probably done the same most likely and you would have most likely also.
darkon112 2 years ago
I didnt quite mean that! i had answered on his comment before so didnt want to write the whole long thing again. what i meant is that Soviets had fought 4 years in terrible -40 conditions just because of a crazy Austrian idiot who ''needed lebensraum'' so they were mad and of course wanted women... and had seen Nazi crimes in Eastern Europe. now about judging by the size of their nose and color well they judged first and next they shoot burned or poisoned them... next, didnt they?
din33z 2 years ago
oh it was your comment actually
din33z 2 years ago
this is true, but people doesnt know about that
argichris 2 years ago
@tranmere789 Soviet military efforts were directed towards defense against foreign invaders, as had been the case for centuries. Al the tanks and aircraft were created for exactly what they were used for--to repel the Nazi monsters. Check out the Harriman interview on this set of tapes. From the long term, that's another question. The ideology of international worker's struggle was assuredly always present.
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
does anybody know the song during 0:58?
OceanicSS 3 years ago
Wenn Wie Marschieren
PRS3333 2 years ago
its called "we are the Hitlers"
dragonkilla7 2 years ago
If russians were honest they would stop worshipping "great patriotic war". The truth is that this war was disaster to Soviet Union. They started ww2 as axies country (Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and they collaborate with nazies as early as 1937. Hitler was Stalin's "icebreaker". With Hilter he hoped the democratic institutes will be destroyed and then Stalin will come as "liberator".
This is the secret russians don't want to talk about. It' still a tabu of Kreml.
tranmere789 3 years ago
Thanks for that information, I always wondered what was written on that card.
midyrvette 3 years ago
You cannot invade the Great Soviet Union.
sidensvans54 3 years ago
Quite many historicians have asked during the last decades that if Germany was really planning to conquer the world with 3000 tanks, then what was Stalin planning to do with 30 000 tanks.
We will find the answer if someday Russia is ready to open the most secret documents of Kreml. I mean if they haven't destroyed them before that.
tranmere789 3 years ago
What is the name of the song that starts at about :42 of this clip?
midyrvette 3 years ago
The first song played is the legendary "Wenn Wir Marschieren". A beautiful song.
Taramriel 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing the title of that song,
WENN WIR MARSCHIEREN, a German Army marching song.
midyrvette 3 years ago
lol if germany won Stalingrad, the war would have ended differently
alexhaas 3 years ago
No, while Stalingrad was the large and important industrial city of the region, but it was soon bombed and destroyed by the Luftwaffe. After that, it didn't have much military value, Victory in the Battle of Stalingrad was though important for Russian moral in that it represented the first major defeat of the Axis forces and far from invincible
darkon112 3 years ago
its kinda weird to think how different all this could have been.
AdamWeard 3 years ago
And he let the Russians dig in and around Moscow... REALLY BAD!!
ThaSweKillah 3 years ago
If Hitler didnt go to kiev he would take moscow which was more important, but he didnt realize that. Then the Russian winter raised and fighting for Moscow was hard and the Germans oulled out, but if would take Moscow directly they would win.
ThaSweKillah 3 years ago
If Hitler didnt go to kiev he would take moscow which was more important, but he didnt realize that. Then the Russian winter raised and fighting for Moscow was hard and the Germans pulled out, but if they would take Moscow directly they would win.
ThaSweKillah 3 years ago
"Russians seldom cried out when wounded". What a big stalinist myth of westeners seem to swallow so easily. They actually cried out as much as other soldiers when wounded. E.g when shut to lever.
tranmere789 3 years ago
What is the name of the song played at 1:00?
nulofka 3 years ago
It's a Wehrmacht marching song called "Wenn Wie Marschieren".
MalteseFalcon786 3 years ago
Thank you! That's precisely it. Do you know the name of the song at 7:35 in part 3, the previous clip here?
nulofka 3 years ago
It's in YouTube, check my favourites, second page I think, or just type it into the search box
Taramriel 3 years ago
Amazing why this great british tv-serie swallow most of the russian propaganda about begin of Barbarossa. They would have had to know that Stalin was planning to attack west in july 1941. But when germans started their offensive the sovjet leaders were shocked. Keitel told the truth in Nurnberg trial and even russians addmit this historial truth.
tranmere789 3 years ago