Wow...I just get goosebumps when I hear all these old jams. DnB sucks now compared to the old shit.
Hardcore>Jungle>DnB.
It just got worse...It kept losing ALL the melody, all the soul, the whole god-damned VIBE!
Now it's over-engineered garbage and nobody does their own thing; everyone sharks HARD and tries to copy whatever the current "THING" is. And that's why it can't even come close to the real thing...
I agree to a point but the same can be said for any genre thats been around long Enuff look at Hip-Hop! the 2step beat was part of its downfall (Pulp Fiction) & from around 1998 I was not a fan of that Optical & Ed Rush sound that many copied but Paradox was always consistant & when I heard Bailey play Inperspective Recs Breakage, Equinox, Fanu, etc the stage was set for Choppage & the beats were back but 80% of DnB still aint my sound like Clownstep wheres the soul
@liferasta1 The 2step beat has always been there, it just was never that obvious until people started to program it with single drum hits and really exaggerate the snare. At least 50% of all raw drum breaks are 2 step I would say, and they were often used raw. One of the things that used to disguise it was the overlaying of 2 or more conflicting rhythms, a bit of a fail in drum programming terms if just done willy-nilly, but great if done carefully. Doing things at 180bpm also doesn't help.
@bristolyoutubization You mean like Subnation - Scottie, there maybe some truth in the 2step beat being the underlaying rhythm for some tracks but the breaks all came thru samples of Hip Hop that came from Funk, im no expert on the technicalities of writing music, in 1960s James Brown had developed his signature groove that emphasized the downbeat – with heavy emphasis on the first beat of every measure to etch his distinctive sound, rather than the backbeat that typified African American music
@liferasta1 Yep, Scottie uses the 2step pattern, straight out of the Cold Sweat break. It also does some mad snare work in the background. Listen to the remix of Scottie though - completely undanceable! It's one of the most chopped up tunes of it's time, alongside some of the DJ Fokus stuff. I know about JB's 'On The One' groove thing, Bootsy Collins helped transfer that over to Parliament and Funkadelic when he joined up with Clinton too. A lot of funk is 2step, apart from...
@bristolyoutubization Actually, scrap that, Scottie is rolling, although it has a bar of 2step every 4th bar. I don't know if that roll is straight out of the break, or they've chopped it up, but the 2step part is definitely. I have to get a wav of that full break or find the original tune to be sure... A good example is the Amen in Apollo 2 Atlantis Bukem Remix. That's the 2 step, with little snare rolls added in the background IIRC.
@bristolyoutubization In fact, after some digging, anybody know what the original track was? I have the break labeled as 'Cold Sweat' but no artist, and it's not any of the Cold Sweats I can find elsewhere. Hmm.
@djjcw I know the breaks in this JB tune, I was after the name of the track that the so called 'Scottie' break comes from. Somebody must know, it's a massive break used everywhere.
@djjcw I know the breaks in this JB tune, I was after the name of the track that the so called 'Scottie' break comes from. Somebody must know, it's a massive break used everywhere.
@bristolyoutubization ...in some of the breaks where the drummer gets to show off a bit and go a bit more jazzy. They rarely break from keeping it rhythmic though, which is something that jazz drummers do, to the point where you can't keep track of what they're doing, yet somehow the other musicians know exactly where to come back in!! One thing that's great about the Amen break is that it has the 2step in it, and a more rolling rhythm in the next bar, and another between the last 2 bars.
@bristolyoutubization Just a note to make what I'm trying to say clear - the entire groove might be 'on the one', with the accent on the first beat and whatever other beats or half-beats, but take the drums on their own, a lot of them are still simply 2step. When chopping up breaks, you realise that there are a lot of them with snares on the two and four, sometimes with double kicks at the start, some with kicks going off all the way through, but the snares are often on the two and four.
@bristolyoutubization Jungle needed to come back to that simplicity. It doesn't have to be 2step though, just a one bar main rhythm (or maybe 2 bars), 2step or 'rolling' styles, with edits in the right place so you don't throw the groove off and less clashing of 2 rhythms together. This is the case these days, although as you would say it's now far too simple and not much variation in beats, with the 2step being dominant. At least it's not as bad as House music rhythms though :D
@liferasta1 What I mean is, a lot of jungle was just messy in the drums department. Certain producers realised this and were more careful about their drum programming. I think there really is no talent in what Photek used to do with his drums, nothing really rhythmic about it, nothing funky, all just jazz drum solos, hard enough to listen to let alone dance to. Who will dance to that except the most hardcore fans of that end of DnB? The 2step fad made jungle danceable again.
@djfakt Nuff copying was happening back in the Jungle era too & Hardcore for that matter, once somebody comes out with a new sound there were / are many others that follow, nothing new there, dnb more commercial no doubt but im not disputing that, still some good stuff around if u check below the surface, heard some good shows on Jungletrain with Sci Fi Wax / Rupture, Chris Inperspective / Dj Future / Code still keeping the beats alive
@liferasta1 I think you've forgotton to mention Dj Randy B who plays on Jungletrain, He plays some good classic old school beats aswell and keeps the old vibe alive.
MUSIC FIRST
Monkeymarksmagicmail 1 month ago
my gosh, remember having this in my lp before sum twat stole it out my box the fucker
bevlian89 4 months ago
Till now I can't stop playing this CHOOONNN!!!
Da lickin sticks are juss killerz!
reggystarr 1 year ago
WHAT A TW00N!!!
fugazi32 2 years ago
this is much better than other versions I've heard..
great tune
1994RapLover 2 years ago
Wow...I just get goosebumps when I hear all these old jams. DnB sucks now compared to the old shit.
Hardcore>Jungle>DnB.
It just got worse...It kept losing ALL the melody, all the soul, the whole god-damned VIBE!
Now it's over-engineered garbage and nobody does their own thing; everyone sharks HARD and tries to copy whatever the current "THING" is. And that's why it can't even come close to the real thing...
djfakt 2 years ago 17
I agree to a point but the same can be said for any genre thats been around long Enuff look at Hip-Hop! the 2step beat was part of its downfall (Pulp Fiction) & from around 1998 I was not a fan of that Optical & Ed Rush sound that many copied but Paradox was always consistant & when I heard Bailey play Inperspective Recs Breakage, Equinox, Fanu, etc the stage was set for Choppage & the beats were back but 80% of DnB still aint my sound like Clownstep wheres the soul
liferasta1 2 years ago 4
@liferasta1 The 2step beat has always been there, it just was never that obvious until people started to program it with single drum hits and really exaggerate the snare. At least 50% of all raw drum breaks are 2 step I would say, and they were often used raw. One of the things that used to disguise it was the overlaying of 2 or more conflicting rhythms, a bit of a fail in drum programming terms if just done willy-nilly, but great if done carefully. Doing things at 180bpm also doesn't help.
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@bristolyoutubization You mean like Subnation - Scottie, there maybe some truth in the 2step beat being the underlaying rhythm for some tracks but the breaks all came thru samples of Hip Hop that came from Funk, im no expert on the technicalities of writing music, in 1960s James Brown had developed his signature groove that emphasized the downbeat – with heavy emphasis on the first beat of every measure to etch his distinctive sound, rather than the backbeat that typified African American music
liferasta1 1 year ago
@liferasta1 See Wiki for explaining the Funk groove in more detail
liferasta1 1 year ago
@liferasta1 Yep, Scottie uses the 2step pattern, straight out of the Cold Sweat break. It also does some mad snare work in the background. Listen to the remix of Scottie though - completely undanceable! It's one of the most chopped up tunes of it's time, alongside some of the DJ Fokus stuff. I know about JB's 'On The One' groove thing, Bootsy Collins helped transfer that over to Parliament and Funkadelic when he joined up with Clinton too. A lot of funk is 2step, apart from...
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@bristolyoutubization Actually, scrap that, Scottie is rolling, although it has a bar of 2step every 4th bar. I don't know if that roll is straight out of the break, or they've chopped it up, but the 2step part is definitely. I have to get a wav of that full break or find the original tune to be sure... A good example is the Amen in Apollo 2 Atlantis Bukem Remix. That's the 2 step, with little snare rolls added in the background IIRC.
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@bristolyoutubization In fact, after some digging, anybody know what the original track was? I have the break labeled as 'Cold Sweat' but no artist, and it's not any of the Cold Sweats I can find elsewhere. Hmm.
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@bristolyoutubization Soul Pride & Think breaks is what you hear in the track, layered together.
djjcw 5 months ago
@djjcw And Amen a little later.
djjcw 5 months ago
@djjcw I know the breaks in this JB tune, I was after the name of the track that the so called 'Scottie' break comes from. Somebody must know, it's a massive break used everywhere.
bristolyoutubization 5 months ago
@bristolyoutubization it's "Cold Sweat" James Brown.
StimpyDan 2 months ago
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@djjcw I know the breaks in this JB tune, I was after the name of the track that the so called 'Scottie' break comes from. Somebody must know, it's a massive break used everywhere.
bristolyoutubization 5 months ago
@bristolyoutubization ...in some of the breaks where the drummer gets to show off a bit and go a bit more jazzy. They rarely break from keeping it rhythmic though, which is something that jazz drummers do, to the point where you can't keep track of what they're doing, yet somehow the other musicians know exactly where to come back in!! One thing that's great about the Amen break is that it has the 2step in it, and a more rolling rhythm in the next bar, and another between the last 2 bars.
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@bristolyoutubization Just a note to make what I'm trying to say clear - the entire groove might be 'on the one', with the accent on the first beat and whatever other beats or half-beats, but take the drums on their own, a lot of them are still simply 2step. When chopping up breaks, you realise that there are a lot of them with snares on the two and four, sometimes with double kicks at the start, some with kicks going off all the way through, but the snares are often on the two and four.
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@bristolyoutubization Jungle needed to come back to that simplicity. It doesn't have to be 2step though, just a one bar main rhythm (or maybe 2 bars), 2step or 'rolling' styles, with edits in the right place so you don't throw the groove off and less clashing of 2 rhythms together. This is the case these days, although as you would say it's now far too simple and not much variation in beats, with the 2step being dominant. At least it's not as bad as House music rhythms though :D
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@liferasta1 What I mean is, a lot of jungle was just messy in the drums department. Certain producers realised this and were more careful about their drum programming. I think there really is no talent in what Photek used to do with his drums, nothing really rhythmic about it, nothing funky, all just jazz drum solos, hard enough to listen to let alone dance to. Who will dance to that except the most hardcore fans of that end of DnB? The 2step fad made jungle danceable again.
bristolyoutubization 1 year ago
@liferasta1 Nice to see you mentioning some true amen head djs/producers names there ;)
crassuz76 6 months ago
@djfakt word all da nu skool shit iz wak
kiozkmuzik 1 year ago
@djfakt Nuff copying was happening back in the Jungle era too & Hardcore for that matter, once somebody comes out with a new sound there were / are many others that follow, nothing new there, dnb more commercial no doubt but im not disputing that, still some good stuff around if u check below the surface, heard some good shows on Jungletrain with Sci Fi Wax / Rupture, Chris Inperspective / Dj Future / Code still keeping the beats alive
liferasta1 7 months ago
@liferasta1 I think you've forgotton to mention Dj Randy B who plays on Jungletrain, He plays some good classic old school beats aswell and keeps the old vibe alive.
crassuz76 6 months ago
i loved this tune then and it sounds even better now !!
bobbitt187 2 years ago
big big big tune, have you got the remix of this?
redlockdj 3 years ago
kinda big
ninokawasaki 3 years ago
tuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnneee
sparksfmuklondon 4 years ago
choon
fivedinners 4 years ago