@rutrojan555 Yeeah. I am from Shenshawpotoo Lodge 276 in Gore, Va (BSA Camp Rock Enon), and I always appreciated the importance of the spectacle of our lakeside tapout ceremony (involving fairly elaborate costumes, dedicated brothers who make it all very real, and respect).
u dont even know wat ur tlking bout tunnelportterror ur just odl and lonely and just want to scare new scouts, i bet ur not even i OA i bet so u wouldnt even know u btch
@chris89925 i agree. i removed his statement. each lodge has to start somewhere with ceremonies and some r better than others. im a brotherhood member and oa is nothing pagan or strange to be avoided.
@jlgm34 sweet, i just went thru my Ordeal two days ago and it was awesome, i hope i get into brotherhood and i think that OA is something that helps u become a better person, not a crazy pysco like portterror
My lodge does callout ceremonies way differently. We have a narrorator explain what happens and our callout is the legend so chingotchcook tells his chiefs about the neighboring tribes attacking then they refuse the warn all delaware then uncas says he will go and then he goes to other villages aka across the tapout bowl to a couple other people and they all memorize the kids and then pull them and bring them down to chingotchcook and he taps them on the shoulder three times, its really epic.
anyone that would let their son join Order of the Arrow is making a big mistake, the order has been outed for its pagan and masonic roots and similarities. It's basically a toned down masonic ritual do a search on google for Order of the Arrow John Salza he exposes this ceremony and ritual I'm 50 years old and telling you kids, don't walk, RUN AWAY from OA don't sign up for it Troop leaders, don't allow the elections in your troop. OA needs to die off like the malignancy it is
our Lodge allows photography but no flash, but our other Honour program: Tribe of Mic-O-Say, we forbid flash photography during call night and paint elevations during closing night campfire, and absolutely no photography during the Brave or Warrior ceremonies but some may be taken afterwards.
On the subject of cameras and recording devices: Why shouldn't they be allowed? Being called out is a large moment in a scout or scouters life that they may not remember in years to come. If recording devices and flash photography is too distracting to your team, have the call-out earlier in the day. At the local resident camp, they do it 7:00pm so photographs come out better. Calling off a ceremony because of cameras is rather immature in my opinion. We are there for the scouts, not ourselves.
In my years with my ceremonial team, I know that I have done some very, very sub par ceremonies and I have also done ones that were near perfect. If you are looking for a perfect ceremony, you will not find it. I have watched many teams compete in my chosen ceremonial specialty and everyone messes up at some point. Even after I went to NOAC to compete and preformed nicely, my next ceremony made me look like i was new to it. Instead of breaking them down, perhaps they need constructive feedback.
haha, i'm a member of a ceremony team that received honors at noac and that line has been an inside joke to us since we saw this video. we use this as an example to new brothers as what not to do
Because members are careful NOT to violate symbolic progression, call out ceremonies are not secret or sacred. I think it good to publish them so others may learn from them - enriching the call out ceremony. I only see three portions of this ceremony that do violate symbolic progression, but only Brothers would recognize them. With that said, Lay off of them- they'll get better. Welilissit - Vigil 243.
Wow that was horrible. I laughed at the last guy. I couldn't take him serious. I am summer camp chief for Mawat Woakus Lodge. I am also on the ceremony team. I am just speechless...
I think when people say that this shouldn't be on camera, they are mistaking it for an ordeal ceremony, because this is no big deal, everyone watches these
Call-outs are not secret anywhere, get that out of your heads. Ours are much better, my team placed first at the SR2-3 South conclave last year. We say "no cameras..." at the start of ours, i have called off a ceremony because of a camera flash going off, but they arent sacred or secret.
Ok, I realize that they probably did this on short notice and without much practice, but how much practice does wearing the sash correctly require. Its supposed to go over and on top of everything.
Our camp does it on family night after we dance and leave the circle they commence it. The only part "secret" by the way concerned parents are allowed to watch if they ask are the pre-ordeal, ordeal, brotherhood, and vigil, Callout and Broken arrow ceremony are Public Cermonies
what are you talking about? this ceremony is available to the public, parents are even allowed to see it. ordeal and pre-ordeal are suppossed to be secret.
there was no statement like that made and its a campwide activity on family night so lots of parents and siblings r present. there r other parts of oa that arent discussed so much but i dont consider any of this a secret.
@MrRollerCoaster14 i agree that oa ceremonies are indeed sacred, however anyone may view a call out ceremony, so i personally dont see a problem with it being on youtube. now if this were the ordeal ceremony for instance, then i would personally have a problem with it being on youtube because it should be viewed only by members
I like the Chubby one at 2:02 he could feed my family for a good week and a half. I could make some fine moccasins out of his hide. Make some nice brushes and key chain braids from his hair.
Make some good tools from his bones. And I'll be sure to use his shank bone for Passover during the Seder. You go White boyz continue to pretend, look and act pathetic Wannabes
Why are you determined to hate those of us who love the Order and Native Culture? I am Native American, but not full blooded. I still am passionate about defending our heritage and I support the Order's work to do so.
We're not a secret society but we keep some ceremonies "safe-guarded" to keep some mystery to our new inductees. We do not do any sacred dances or use any religous meaning. We have been given approval by the nations we chose to represent. I'm sorry you can't accept that.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The Order of the Arrow is by no means an organization that's purpose is to act like Native Americans. The only time we act as Native Americans is during very occasional ceremonies, and we're just doing it for the purpose of ceremony. The organization was founded on the ideals and history of the Delaware People, but that is not our theme or purpose. Our job is to recognized distinguished scouts, and serve the community to our best ability. Calm down bud
i am in the oa and i am doing mataue for pre ordeal at dixie and i am 50% cherokee and im white so if u dont know anything about it(secret orginization) shut the hell up u fagger
A "secret organization" that's funny! How is it secret if its posted all over Youtube. Will I'm not a half breed I'm actually full Native that's right there are actually Full blood native people still around. Imagine that. So in the OA your half Native but you still pretend to be Native now that's funny. The OA is a pathetic pretending program. Do they teach you how to pretend to be Asian or Jamaican or Iranian also? Its sad that your part of that pretend program the OA, Get with reality
OA is awesome. Ive been in it for years now. You shouldnt go and try to screw up the traditions we have been keeping alive for almost 100 years now. You should get into reality. you are pathetic on thinking down on us. We just finished up our section meet with over 800 people in attendance. Are you really sure you want to call 800 people pathetic prtenders? Do us a favor and shut the hell up.
im sorry. u had another post and i accidently clicked remove rather than the reply which i meant to click. u were asking about why i posted a "secret" ceremony. in my lodge the call out ceremonies r public. they r typically done on family night of summer camp and all scouts and their family members r invited to attend.
This how you teach your youth responsibility by having them pretend to be Native. Those whiteboys will never know what it Means to be Native to experience what I and my parents and grandparents and great grand parents have endured. Must be nice to pretend. An order of the Arrow is that like Harry potter the Order of the Phoenix. U white people come up with the most craziest and foolish nonsense.
no... most scouts will never know what it is to be native, but without the "whiteboys" educating some of todays youth about what native american traditions are, much of the culture would be lost forever or totally unknown to the world. perhaps u should pretend to be polite when others r honestly interested in ur heritage------creek/cherokee woman who is a member of order of the arrow
I assure YOU I do teach my ancient cultural Traditions to our Native Youth not to NON-Native youth. "Honestly interested" that's funny. First its not their place to represent Native people nor will it ever be. When I see Anglos doing our sacred Dine` religious dances like the Kwahadi Dancers in Texas then the line has been crossed. I guess you like people misrepresenting your Native traditions but I don't. I don't need to be an OA member to be Native sad you encourage what they do DINE' NATION
The Order of The Arrow does not misrepresent Native Americans I Believe That They are paying tribute to the Native Americans and this ceremony was not a very gtood one but the ones ive been to were full of energy you would have thought the dancers were native americans had not been white/ black and the Order of The Arrow is a very high honor and if it offends you stop watching it !
this isnt defenetly not one of the bettere ceremonies i have seen. it dosnt seem like they have much interest. lack of proper regailia things like that
I agree with the others, it is definately lacking something. In our ceremony, Meteu calls Allowat by torch and he, along with the others, Rides across the lake via canoe. There is a lot of movement and excitement. But, to each his own.
the ceremony is based off of good principals however what it lacks is excitement or something for watcher to be amazed at as well as ceremonialist that are more confidident with there part.
Also, its good that you expected all of the characters to know their parts be heart, but since they didn't learn them reading it off of a sheet of paper would've made the ceremony more clean. If I was a scout hoping to be accepted this call out would've ruined it for me, sorry.
this ceremony was during the last week of summer camp, and i believe that several of the camp staffers had obligations and had left camp a week early so the new ppl didnt have a lot of time to prepare. it was not something that they normally did......
You should really consider joining your Lodge's Ceremonial team to understand the hours of preparations it takes to learn a role. I give the guys credit for doing the best they can given a short notice.
I like the actual scriptit involves all of the characters. It annoys me when I attend a call out where only the Mighty Chief does the speaking. The only thing is that with your lodge it's kind of hard to distinguish who each prinicpal is. The first guy on (viewer's) right seems to have the speaking part of the Mighty Chief, but his manerisms depict the Guide in my oppinion.
Maybe you dorks should stick to your own culture and quit bastardizing mine.
anishinaabe 1 week ago
As long as they did thier best, what else can be said?
kevinkpk1 2 months ago
I like how yall are arguing over boyscouts
15reeds 5 months ago
@rutrojan555 Yeeah. I am from Shenshawpotoo Lodge 276 in Gore, Va (BSA Camp Rock Enon), and I always appreciated the importance of the spectacle of our lakeside tapout ceremony (involving fairly elaborate costumes, dedicated brothers who make it all very real, and respect).
DizzySpell123 5 months ago
my lodge watches this as a joke every year at lodge leadership development
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rutrojan555 6 months ago
@rutrojan555 Sad. It is always a learning expanding experience for ceremonies. Best to be supportive. Think about how you'd feel.
kevinkpk1 2 months ago
u dont even know wat ur tlking bout tunnelportterror ur just odl and lonely and just want to scare new scouts, i bet ur not even i OA i bet so u wouldnt even know u btch
chris89925 6 months ago
@chris89925 i agree. i removed his statement. each lodge has to start somewhere with ceremonies and some r better than others. im a brotherhood member and oa is nothing pagan or strange to be avoided.
jlgm34 6 months ago
@jlgm34 sweet, i just went thru my Ordeal two days ago and it was awesome, i hope i get into brotherhood and i think that OA is something that helps u become a better person, not a crazy pysco like portterror
chris89925 6 months ago
was this a tap out, cause i think u can record the tap out, they did at mine anyways and no one said they couldnt
chris89925 6 months ago
Tom Kita Chara Lodge 96 Samoset Council Wisconsin, Tesomas Scout Camp
MeteuWWW 6 months ago
My lodge does callout ceremonies way differently. We have a narrorator explain what happens and our callout is the legend so chingotchcook tells his chiefs about the neighboring tribes attacking then they refuse the warn all delaware then uncas says he will go and then he goes to other villages aka across the tapout bowl to a couple other people and they all memorize the kids and then pull them and bring them down to chingotchcook and he taps them on the shoulder three times, its really epic.
MeteuWWW 6 months ago
@MeteuWWW same with mine
chris89925 6 months ago
@chris89925 What Lodge are you in?
MeteuWWW 5 months ago
@MeteuWWW black hawk lodge
chris89925 5 months ago
Alright, hate to say it but this is a fail of a callout ceremony!
MeteuWWW 7 months ago
its so gay the just copyed mic-o-say my troop hates OA
kevrck8 7 months ago
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anyone that would let their son join Order of the Arrow is making a big mistake, the order has been outed for its pagan and masonic roots and similarities. It's basically a toned down masonic ritual do a search on google for Order of the Arrow John Salza he exposes this ceremony and ritual I'm 50 years old and telling you kids, don't walk, RUN AWAY from OA don't sign up for it Troop leaders, don't allow the elections in your troop. OA needs to die off like the malignancy it is
tunnelportterror 8 months ago
our Lodge allows photography but no flash, but our other Honour program: Tribe of Mic-O-Say, we forbid flash photography during call night and paint elevations during closing night campfire, and absolutely no photography during the Brave or Warrior ceremonies but some may be taken afterwards.
MrTztokjad 8 months ago
On the subject of cameras and recording devices: Why shouldn't they be allowed? Being called out is a large moment in a scout or scouters life that they may not remember in years to come. If recording devices and flash photography is too distracting to your team, have the call-out earlier in the day. At the local resident camp, they do it 7:00pm so photographs come out better. Calling off a ceremony because of cameras is rather immature in my opinion. We are there for the scouts, not ourselves.
zaccoghill362 9 months ago
In my years with my ceremonial team, I know that I have done some very, very sub par ceremonies and I have also done ones that were near perfect. If you are looking for a perfect ceremony, you will not find it. I have watched many teams compete in my chosen ceremonial specialty and everyone messes up at some point. Even after I went to NOAC to compete and preformed nicely, my next ceremony made me look like i was new to it. Instead of breaking them down, perhaps they need constructive feedback.
zaccoghill362 9 months ago
STAND UP!
haha, i'm a member of a ceremony team that received honors at noac and that line has been an inside joke to us since we saw this video. we use this as an example to new brothers as what not to do
RedandWhite91 1 year ago 2
Because members are careful NOT to violate symbolic progression, call out ceremonies are not secret or sacred. I think it good to publish them so others may learn from them - enriching the call out ceremony. I only see three portions of this ceremony that do violate symbolic progression, but only Brothers would recognize them. With that said, Lay off of them- they'll get better. Welilissit - Vigil 243.
edlacey 1 year ago
why does the starting guy talk like william shatner
jubjud13 1 year ago
wwwwow this is suppose to be secret
randomwebshow94 1 year ago
Wow that was horrible. I laughed at the last guy. I couldn't take him serious. I am summer camp chief for Mawat Woakus Lodge. I am also on the ceremony team. I am just speechless...
xXSk8PrOXx 1 year ago
lmao! ceremony!?!?!?!? thats a good one.
dodgen8v 1 year ago
lol they all sound like william shatner
jubjud13 1 year ago
omg this is sooooo bad hahahah
brodis66 1 year ago
I think when people say that this shouldn't be on camera, they are mistaking it for an ordeal ceremony, because this is no big deal, everyone watches these
PIECREST 1 year ago
STAND UP!!!! so many hand motions so hilarious haha
tsteelcity 1 year ago
Call-outs are not secret anywhere, get that out of your heads. Ours are much better, my team placed first at the SR2-3 South conclave last year. We say "no cameras..." at the start of ours, i have called off a ceremony because of a camera flash going off, but they arent sacred or secret.
sk8ingstephen 1 year ago
Ok, I realize that they probably did this on short notice and without much practice, but how much practice does wearing the sash correctly require. Its supposed to go over and on top of everything.
TheHalocamper 1 year ago
awful ceremony...
nick161692 1 year ago
camp barnhardt callout is the best
TarheelCrazyFan 2 years ago
i got callouted at camp cabaruscamporee and their ceremoney was beast
TarheelCrazyFan 1 year ago
one of the worst tapout ceremonies ive seen.
14thovi 2 years ago
@14thovi Why i thought it was pretty good
garcia3rd 1 year ago
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O.A is a joke ! I quit wearing my arrow over 10 years ago........Mic-o-say 4 Life !
SonofAnarchyMC 2 years ago
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kosharechapter 2 years ago
too bad this one person is a weiner - both council camps have lots to offer - only a true weiner will pick one over the other - shame on you
tedbender66061 2 years ago
this suck so bad come tp camp raven knob and see a real ceremony
cheerio802 2 years ago
camp durants tap out is so much better
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GreenishScout 2 years ago
Our camp does it on family night after we dance and leave the circle they commence it. The only part "secret" by the way concerned parents are allowed to watch if they ask are the pre-ordeal, ordeal, brotherhood, and vigil, Callout and Broken arrow ceremony are Public Cermonies
22firman 2 years ago
"Leading through service"
- Lowwapaneu 191
blissfulguitarist 2 years ago
omfg :07
awesome job recruiting Shaggy into order of the arrow man, nice!! and i thought he'd waste his life revealing fraudulent hauntings with Scooby ;)
donaldTfox 2 years ago
i cant beleive u put this on utube!!!!!!! their ceramony is very sacred!!! at the begining they say no camreas, no flashlights, ect!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
MrRollerCoaster14 2 years ago 4
what are you talking about? this ceremony is available to the public, parents are even allowed to see it. ordeal and pre-ordeal are suppossed to be secret.
DanEElbel 2 years ago
wen our troup did this, they said at the beggining"no cameras, phones, flashlight".
MrRollerCoaster14 2 years ago
there was no statement like that made and its a campwide activity on family night so lots of parents and siblings r present. there r other parts of oa that arent discussed so much but i dont consider any of this a secret.
jlgm34 2 years ago
that's the fatest guy i've seen do a call out
holyhermit1 2 years ago
jlgm34 and MrRollerCoaster, You are BOTH correct. They do wish to keep many parts a secret, but the actual, "Call Out" is not a secret.
BigOldScout 2 years ago
This is the public ceremony.
@MrRollerCoaster14
garcia3rd 1 year ago
@MrRollerCoaster14 i agree that oa ceremonies are indeed sacred, however anyone may view a call out ceremony, so i personally dont see a problem with it being on youtube. now if this were the ordeal ceremony for instance, then i would personally have a problem with it being on youtube because it should be viewed only by members
MrWilliamson9411 6 months ago
the camp ottari tap out is the best
nicholas1089 2 years ago
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tsteelcity 2 years ago
I like the Chubby one at 2:02 he could feed my family for a good week and a half. I could make some fine moccasins out of his hide. Make some nice brushes and key chain braids from his hair.
Make some good tools from his bones. And I'll be sure to use his shank bone for Passover during the Seder. You go White boyz continue to pretend, look and act pathetic Wannabes
Shalomhozho 2 years ago
keep pretending to reperesent all of ur obnoxious brothers as well friend. i am glad that u can speak only for ur arrogant self.
jlgm34 2 years ago
Why are you determined to hate those of us who love the Order and Native Culture? I am Native American, but not full blooded. I still am passionate about defending our heritage and I support the Order's work to do so.
We're not a secret society but we keep some ceremonies "safe-guarded" to keep some mystery to our new inductees. We do not do any sacred dances or use any religous meaning. We have been given approval by the nations we chose to represent. I'm sorry you can't accept that.
Subscribe2Dave 2 years ago
You have no idea what you're talking about. The Order of the Arrow is by no means an organization that's purpose is to act like Native Americans. The only time we act as Native Americans is during very occasional ceremonies, and we're just doing it for the purpose of ceremony. The organization was founded on the ideals and history of the Delaware People, but that is not our theme or purpose. Our job is to recognized distinguished scouts, and serve the community to our best ability. Calm down bud
ducttape618 2 years ago
i am in the oa and i am doing mataue for pre ordeal at dixie and i am 50% cherokee and im white so if u dont know anything about it(secret orginization) shut the hell up u fagger
matt1jones 2 years ago
A "secret organization" that's funny! How is it secret if its posted all over Youtube. Will I'm not a half breed I'm actually full Native that's right there are actually Full blood native people still around. Imagine that. So in the OA your half Native but you still pretend to be Native now that's funny. The OA is a pathetic pretending program. Do they teach you how to pretend to be Asian or Jamaican or Iranian also? Its sad that your part of that pretend program the OA, Get with reality
Shalomhozho 2 years ago
OA is awesome. Ive been in it for years now. You shouldnt go and try to screw up the traditions we have been keeping alive for almost 100 years now. You should get into reality. you are pathetic on thinking down on us. We just finished up our section meet with over 800 people in attendance. Are you really sure you want to call 800 people pathetic prtenders? Do us a favor and shut the hell up.
caboose1913 2 years ago
no........ the OA is about the honor society of scouting, not worshiping native americans. look up treasure island 1915
popmomcorn 2 years ago
I'm East band Cherokee, which one are you?
OAlittlechief 2 years ago
im sorry. u had another post and i accidently clicked remove rather than the reply which i meant to click. u were asking about why i posted a "secret" ceremony. in my lodge the call out ceremonies r public. they r typically done on family night of summer camp and all scouts and their family members r invited to attend.
jlgm34 2 years ago
Meteu, its spelled Meteu i hate it when people don't spell his name right of course i do act out his character.
22firman 2 years ago
You aren't soposed to say the princibales names.
Drumsinstopmotion 2 years ago
@Drumsinstopmotion
In a call-out you can, they have no rules against it because it is an official OA ceremony. so references by name are acceptable but thats it.
sk8ingstephen 1 year ago
This how you teach your youth responsibility by having them pretend to be Native. Those whiteboys will never know what it Means to be Native to experience what I and my parents and grandparents and great grand parents have endured. Must be nice to pretend. An order of the Arrow is that like Harry potter the Order of the Phoenix. U white people come up with the most craziest and foolish nonsense.
Shalomhozho 2 years ago
no... most scouts will never know what it is to be native, but without the "whiteboys" educating some of todays youth about what native american traditions are, much of the culture would be lost forever or totally unknown to the world. perhaps u should pretend to be polite when others r honestly interested in ur heritage------creek/cherokee woman who is a member of order of the arrow
jlgm34 2 years ago
I assure YOU I do teach my ancient cultural Traditions to our Native Youth not to NON-Native youth. "Honestly interested" that's funny. First its not their place to represent Native people nor will it ever be. When I see Anglos doing our sacred Dine` religious dances like the Kwahadi Dancers in Texas then the line has been crossed. I guess you like people misrepresenting your Native traditions but I don't. I don't need to be an OA member to be Native sad you encourage what they do DINE' NATION
Shalomhozho 2 years ago
The Order of The Arrow does not misrepresent Native Americans I Believe That They are paying tribute to the Native Americans and this ceremony was not a very gtood one but the ones ive been to were full of energy you would have thought the dancers were native americans had not been white/ black and the Order of The Arrow is a very high honor and if it offends you stop watching it !
testmaster12 2 years ago
Im going to NOAC as kitch anyone got any hints for me im brotherhood and where doing pre-ordeal
troythebassplayer 2 years ago
If I was there I would've killed myself.
OMGItsBrandonPanda 2 years ago
this isnt defenetly not one of the bettere ceremonies i have seen. it dosnt seem like they have much interest. lack of proper regailia things like that
bioguy7 2 years ago
I agree with the others, it is definately lacking something. In our ceremony, Meteu calls Allowat by torch and he, along with the others, Rides across the lake via canoe. There is a lot of movement and excitement. But, to each his own.
jkbrackett 3 years ago
this brings back so many memerioes
ganstaboic 3 years ago
the ceremony is based off of good principals however what it lacks is excitement or something for watcher to be amazed at as well as ceremonialist that are more confidident with there part.
keep working practicing
tower454545 3 years ago
Also, its good that you expected all of the characters to know their parts be heart, but since they didn't learn them reading it off of a sheet of paper would've made the ceremony more clean. If I was a scout hoping to be accepted this call out would've ruined it for me, sorry.
Good luck in the future.
W.W.W.,
Dave, Brotherhood Member, 296
Subscribe2Dave 3 years ago
this ceremony was during the last week of summer camp, and i believe that several of the camp staffers had obligations and had left camp a week early so the new ppl didnt have a lot of time to prepare. it was not something that they normally did......
jlgm34 2 years ago
I give them credit for doing the best they could under short notice.
toenail37 2 years ago
You should really consider joining your Lodge's Ceremonial team to understand the hours of preparations it takes to learn a role. I give the guys credit for doing the best they can given a short notice.
W.W.W.
Ron, Vigil Honor Member
toenail37 2 years ago
I like the actual scriptit involves all of the characters. It annoys me when I attend a call out where only the Mighty Chief does the speaking. The only thing is that with your lodge it's kind of hard to distinguish who each prinicpal is. The first guy on (viewer's) right seems to have the speaking part of the Mighty Chief, but his manerisms depict the Guide in my oppinion.
Subscribe2Dave 3 years ago