in my opinion this is very good music. i dont mind who may be imitating who, but i like kylies live-performances and i havent seen any of madonna so i dont want to compare. For me kylie is outstanding when she enters the stage :)
Keith was Madonna's best friend when she first moved to New York in the late 70's. Madonna publicised his work with the help of her then designer, Maripol. She wore his clothes, was photographed in his prints for early magazine and video shoots until he died of AIDS. Yet another example of Kylie theiving Madonnas heritage to Re-invent herself and pass it off as her own work. This SHOULD be a tribute to Keith AND Madonna as the two went hand in hand, they were closest mates. All a bit to Madonna.
She was part of the movement that popularised it yes, she danced in gay bars with gay men to detroit house music way before she "Vogue'd" her way to number 1. Her gay brother introduced her to it in 1988 in a Detroit gay club, 2 years before she popularised it.
She may have popularised it, but it was carving it's own niche long before Madonna was ever a glint in the Big Apple's eye. My point being that music (or for a wider, more inclusive term: ART) has always been and always will be incestuous, that's what makes it art in the first place.
Carving its own niche?, that craze was a subdued and underground movement linked exclusivley to homosexuality, kept underground by homophobic opressors. Madonna brought its beauty to the surface, she assisted in the fight against opression, against homophobia. That whole phase in her career was dedicated to fighting homophobia. What the hell has Kylie ever done for gay culture apart from cash in on the pink pound, milk the glitter for all its worth? Shes certainly not my icon and for good reason
Wow. For a moment there, I actually thought we were having a pretty interesting and mature discussion going on and was genuinely interested to see where it went next.
This is a discussion, i choose not to accept Kylie as a major gay icon, apart from having a gay best friend who creates her world, i do not see how she improves the lives of gay people AROUND the world. She makes a good record, end of. But if thats all it takes to become a gay icon then we deserve nothing more than the shallow labels we are stuck with. Madonna is a dick some of the time, but she fights, questions and pushes buttons, she makes people question themselves, she makes people think.
@alzy1974 What has Madonna DONE ? What- please list these incredible gifts she has granted the gay community? She has done nothing - where is her outspoken activism? Her fight against homophobia? YOu are an idiot, the woman is a performer who has done nothing. Give credit where it is due- there are a vast number of people who have done far far far more than she ever attempted. She has used her influence and considerable media power for one thing- her own self promotion and profit......
He's Madonna obsessed i know that much for this is totally inspired by her and the scene she came up in during the very early 1980's in New York. The Keith Harring prints, the sampling of Malcom Mclarens Buffalo girls in the tune...both very very close to Madonna around 1980-1983, producing lots of her looks and sounds around that time. All thats missing is a sample of her hit Everbody!
Fact mate, some people just have differences in opinion. I dont mind Kylie to be honest but much of her work indeed her career ethic has and is pilfered from Madonna, its down to this....Madonna's past is stuff of legend, she made it the hard way as did Debbie Harry, Kylie was a soap actress who made it courtesy of Pete Waterman, the simon cowell of the late 80's. She never had any credibility to her name until "Cant Get..." but its disapeared again. Madonna leads, she will always follow.
The day of legends is long gone. I grew up in that same era as I'm presumign you did. Trying to explain to someone who 'wasn't there' just HOW big stars like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Prince were is really hard in this day and age. Times have changed drastically since then, Madonna attained her status (and rightfully so because she saw a crown that wasn't taken and reached for it) but comparing artists in this day and age is just unfair, as if they even try they're labelled as derivative.
Sorry but "legend" pertains to a succesful icon who influences and continues to do so. Even with all the piracy and illegal downloads that were never around in the 1980's Madonna sells remarkably well and on a GLOBAL scale. Madonna didnt just seize a crown, she garnered a decade and influence several others and paved the way for artists like Kylie to be accepted. Why are people so jealous when it comes to respecting Madonna's influence? She is, like it or not probarbly more influental than Elvis
Elvis was hugely succesful, no questions asked, but where is his lasting epitaph?? He ended his career on a low, was spent, resorting to half sell out nights in Vegas. His popularity rose again after his early death. Madonna has been going strong for nearly a decade longer than Elvis was around. I liken her to a modern David Bowie, she's a revolutionary just like him. But for some strange reason people really are against giving her credit. Its a shame, if she were a man she would be praised.
@alzy1974 I actually agree with you. I find a lot of so-called "gay icons" very questionable. While I'm not a gay man myself, I find it difficult to comprehend how so many of these hetero female pop stars are relevant to the struggles of a minority group in any way. Kylie is more of a "camp icon" than a gay icon, imo. Having said that, you can't deny there's a certain degree of inclusivity in her work that is absent from many other "gay icons" of today (Britney Spears etc).
Great sampling of Malcolm McLaren - Buffalo Gals
gutigera2012 2 months ago
at first when playeds (2002 fever-tour)...I wasn't pleased with this version, but it grew upon me...and love the version and style now...!
sldorhout 1 year ago
in my opinion this is very good music. i dont mind who may be imitating who, but i like kylies live-performances and i havent seen any of madonna so i dont want to compare. For me kylie is outstanding when she enters the stage :)
ooYaSuOoo 1 year ago
Wow, all this for pop music. Just enjoy it. That's what it's meant for.
mattyjay1989 3 years ago
Madonna did the "Keith Haring Tribute" much better...
MadonnasMrDj 3 years ago
Keith was Madonna's best friend when she first moved to New York in the late 70's. Madonna publicised his work with the help of her then designer, Maripol. She wore his clothes, was photographed in his prints for early magazine and video shoots until he died of AIDS. Yet another example of Kylie theiving Madonnas heritage to Re-invent herself and pass it off as her own work. This SHOULD be a tribute to Keith AND Madonna as the two went hand in hand, they were closest mates. All a bit to Madonna.
alzy1974 3 years ago
Of course, lest we forget - voguing was all Madonna's own work.
I enjoy both artists, but I hate this immature 'my artist is better than your artist' crap, it's so pre-school.
fanguk 3 years ago
She was part of the movement that popularised it yes, she danced in gay bars with gay men to detroit house music way before she "Vogue'd" her way to number 1. Her gay brother introduced her to it in 1988 in a Detroit gay club, 2 years before she popularised it.
alzy1974 3 years ago
She may have popularised it, but it was carving it's own niche long before Madonna was ever a glint in the Big Apple's eye. My point being that music (or for a wider, more inclusive term: ART) has always been and always will be incestuous, that's what makes it art in the first place.
fanguk 3 years ago
Carving its own niche?, that craze was a subdued and underground movement linked exclusivley to homosexuality, kept underground by homophobic opressors. Madonna brought its beauty to the surface, she assisted in the fight against opression, against homophobia. That whole phase in her career was dedicated to fighting homophobia. What the hell has Kylie ever done for gay culture apart from cash in on the pink pound, milk the glitter for all its worth? Shes certainly not my icon and for good reason
alzy1974 3 years ago
Wow. For a moment there, I actually thought we were having a pretty interesting and mature discussion going on and was genuinely interested to see where it went next.
Unfortunately, it went downhill.
fanguk 3 years ago
This is a discussion, i choose not to accept Kylie as a major gay icon, apart from having a gay best friend who creates her world, i do not see how she improves the lives of gay people AROUND the world. She makes a good record, end of. But if thats all it takes to become a gay icon then we deserve nothing more than the shallow labels we are stuck with. Madonna is a dick some of the time, but she fights, questions and pushes buttons, she makes people question themselves, she makes people think.
alzy1974 3 years ago
@alzy1974 What has Madonna DONE ? What- please list these incredible gifts she has granted the gay community? She has done nothing - where is her outspoken activism? Her fight against homophobia? YOu are an idiot, the woman is a performer who has done nothing. Give credit where it is due- there are a vast number of people who have done far far far more than she ever attempted. She has used her influence and considerable media power for one thing- her own self promotion and profit......
johnhaggard 10 months ago
This remix samples Malcom Mclarens Buffalo Girls very heavily.
alzy1974 3 years ago
...your point being here? Like Madonna's never used a sample before.
fanguk 3 years ago
this mix... is amazing!
DhiscoStu 3 years ago 2
very cool great remix - can i download this somewhere?
jakeseven7 5 years ago
Will Baker's a genius :)
fanguk 5 years ago
He's Madonna obsessed i know that much for this is totally inspired by her and the scene she came up in during the very early 1980's in New York. The Keith Harring prints, the sampling of Malcom Mclarens Buffalo girls in the tune...both very very close to Madonna around 1980-1983, producing lots of her looks and sounds around that time. All thats missing is a sample of her hit Everbody!
alzy1974 3 years ago
See, I was with you right up until that last bit, where you just had to get another dig in.
Sad.
fanguk 3 years ago
Fact mate, some people just have differences in opinion. I dont mind Kylie to be honest but much of her work indeed her career ethic has and is pilfered from Madonna, its down to this....Madonna's past is stuff of legend, she made it the hard way as did Debbie Harry, Kylie was a soap actress who made it courtesy of Pete Waterman, the simon cowell of the late 80's. She never had any credibility to her name until "Cant Get..." but its disapeared again. Madonna leads, she will always follow.
alzy1974 3 years ago
The day of legends is long gone. I grew up in that same era as I'm presumign you did. Trying to explain to someone who 'wasn't there' just HOW big stars like Madonna, Michael Jackson and Prince were is really hard in this day and age. Times have changed drastically since then, Madonna attained her status (and rightfully so because she saw a crown that wasn't taken and reached for it) but comparing artists in this day and age is just unfair, as if they even try they're labelled as derivative.
fanguk 3 years ago
Sorry but "legend" pertains to a succesful icon who influences and continues to do so. Even with all the piracy and illegal downloads that were never around in the 1980's Madonna sells remarkably well and on a GLOBAL scale. Madonna didnt just seize a crown, she garnered a decade and influence several others and paved the way for artists like Kylie to be accepted. Why are people so jealous when it comes to respecting Madonna's influence? She is, like it or not probarbly more influental than Elvis
alzy1974 3 years ago
1) You've completely misunderstood my point above, I wasn't knocking Madonna at all. In fact I was doing the opposite.
2) As for the 'jealous' comment, if it was directed at me, you're really presuming.
3) More influential than Elvis? Now you really are reaching.
I'm done here.
fanguk 3 years ago
Elvis was hugely succesful, no questions asked, but where is his lasting epitaph?? He ended his career on a low, was spent, resorting to half sell out nights in Vegas. His popularity rose again after his early death. Madonna has been going strong for nearly a decade longer than Elvis was around. I liken her to a modern David Bowie, she's a revolutionary just like him. But for some strange reason people really are against giving her credit. Its a shame, if she were a man she would be praised.
alzy1974 3 years ago
@alzy1974 I actually agree with you. I find a lot of so-called "gay icons" very questionable. While I'm not a gay man myself, I find it difficult to comprehend how so many of these hetero female pop stars are relevant to the struggles of a minority group in any way. Kylie is more of a "camp icon" than a gay icon, imo. Having said that, you can't deny there's a certain degree of inclusivity in her work that is absent from many other "gay icons" of today (Britney Spears etc).
LadyLottimort 1 year ago
yes babyxtink...
khadj 5 years ago
can u post i should be so lucky on the fever tour
khadj 5 years ago
the performance or the screen projection?
BABYxTINK 5 years ago
yes
khadj 5 years ago