Amtrak 450 451 test runs with tilt & ICE trains at mp294 7/22 & 8/23/93

[Aqwert76]

WHY DO THEY KEEP HONKING??!?!

[kineticdeath]

I think australia is in much the same boat as USA in the high speed trains race. We have our lines setup and none of them could cope with anything faster than what already runs them. We have the "SPT" down here which peaks at 160kmh but only in select areas. I know there was a tilt train in QLD but i think it runs at 160 tops too now. They kept crashing/derailing and were shutdown totally for a time. Europe and Japan built for highspeed from the get go

[kineticdeath]

@kineticdeath since the 70's at least and they probably did thier research starting in the 60's and to top it off built specialised high speed lines solely for thier performance trains. USA and australia would have to build a second high speed rail network and its not worth it

[michaausleipzig]

To say that neither train was a success is kinda missing the point i think. In fact demonstrating electric(!!!) high speed trains in the US is a bit like demonstrating a Ferrari in a country with mostly unpaved roads ... no offence...

[1jackdk]

@michaausleipzig You are 100% correct. Exactly why they weren't a success. The railroads here in the States are just not built to give it a qualifying chance. Thanks for watching...

[huntdude555]

geez the x2000 sounds like an oversized bagpipe

[trainzaholic]

WHAT THE

[trainzaholic]

that is the highest piched k3la ever

[gedebage]

I think it would be a mammoth job for Amtrak to introduce a high speed network throughout the USA. The cost would be huge. I have heard that even the Acela train is not run at high speed for the full length of it's journey. Please correct me if I am wrong. Europe already has a well established high speed network and it continue to grows.

[1jackdk]

@gedebage You are 100% corect. Passenger railroads here in the states is so antiquated, and other countries have left the US far in the dust! All we do is talk about high speed rail, spend MILLIONS in studies, and still! Nothing gets done. Just a huge amount of tax payer money spent yearly. Thanks for watching...

[alexander1485]

I've ridden inside an ICE train that looked just like that from paris to germany I believe, in 2005.

[TrainSounds]

Why don't they have those trains running anymore?

[Intransitman]

@TrainSounds They are still running but, in Germany & Sweeden. These trains were rented.

[trainmaster844]

The X2000 and the ICE were tested to see if Amtrak could combine elements from the two trains to create their own high-speed train - thus, we have the "Acela Express". Pure and simple - nice to see the X2000, though - had a nice horn! :D

[RaptureandZune]

@trainmaster844 The version I heard is that X2000 has won the test, but the French offered the TGV system at a much lower price; so amtrak chose Acela, which is based on the TGV.

[metraF40PH163]

Wonderfull video clips you have! Nice Whistle on that tilting train also!

[kjrehberg]

Great, historical videos. Amtrak did what they could. None of them could have survived very long on the NEC which is why we have the custom-engineered Acela today.

[singwith]

lol they look better than Amtrak trains in 2011!

[MachintoshCJ]

Japan and Germany, the countries that went to war against us, lost, and are now becoming better then ever. Why!

[proulxmontpellier]

@MachintoshCJ For a very simple reason: they care about themselves. When Bismark created Social Security, in the 19th Century (medicare, unemployment insurance and pensions) he declared that he, as a Landlord, would have felt dishonoured to fire a man because he was too old or too sick to work. The USA took a large advance on the world in the days of the New Deal, because public money was all invested on public equipment.

Then came von Hayek and Friedmann...

[p42Amtrak83]

Thank goodness for the K5LA on the Genesis. Was this on the Capitol?

[TheSd90mac]

Cool train sets and Awsome catch at the end of the ICE train!

[penguinmaster7]

i wish we kept the X2000....

[elevatorman17]

I think the first train is X-2000

[jfsa380]

The ICE horn is nothing like the classic, but on the NEC, did they run on their own power? and was the tilt train electric or desiel, and why couldn't it run on it's own power as well?

[JJRaff18221882]

THose horns sucked - where are the K5LA's???!!!

[nukinfuts1000]

That thing had a friggin awful horn.

[mbta1000]

I WANT TO LIVE THERE because of how close to the tracks it is

[BentraxVideos]

I'm going to be volunteering at the Tennessee Central Railway Museum, and I'm trying to convince them to buy what's left of the F69PHACs. They said they would look into it, so I'm waiting to see if anything happens.

[nkproad777]

Amtrak should have bought the Sweedish tilt train. Thanks for posting a vid on these rare engines from the late 90's!

[Taurus717]

Nice! i never Thought that siemens has Made an ICE for Amtrak!

[Amtrak1194]

which engine is the one that looks like a F40HM-2???

[slideguitarbebyb]

@Amtrak1194 F69PHAC.

[celica825]

amtrak bought those horns off metra and metrolink.

[celica825]

@celica825 (joke)

[soshmed1]

AMTRAK should have bought the ICE.

[MSNWindows7]

Most annoying horns ever. Good thing Amtrak did not buy them

[Michaellovestrains]

Really, really nice trains. . . . really, really, bad horns! Are those F69PHAC engines still around, or are they in a junkyard?

[Modeltrainguy]

It's commendable Europe reached out to get us into High Speed Rail.

It's just very sad the American Railroad suits would not do much to invest....create more jobs.

Thank you 'Sweden' & 'Germany' - may your signals always be 'Green'!

[RailsandRoads]

i think either 450 or 451 is sitting down at the NRE Shops

[1jackdk]

@RailsandRoads Nice to know its still around! Thanks!

[RailsandRoads]

@1jackdk np.. its weird that the F69's look a lot like the F40PHM-2's on metra

[ravenhawk6910]

@RailsandRoads Both of them are there

[RailsandRoads]

@ravenhawk6910 yeah thats what i thought

[nbtrainlvr94]

Nice I have seen pics of those F69PHs but never seen videos very nice!!! Also That train with the X2000 and F40s looked a ittle too different.

[ccolimon]

AMTRAK should have used the ICE on the NEC, instead of developing the Acela at great expense !

[oinonio]

@ccolimon agreed. Taking the best off the shelf from abroad would have spared expense, not to mention that brakes debacle they had. Acelas look overweight and armored compared to the early ICEs. 

[BNSFandSP]

That first train (and second for that matter) have horrible horns.

[DeltaPhi79]

@BNSFandSP The second one was only being pulled. You didn't hear the actual horn from the ICE train. (Test runs show it running on its own. Check oaksmodelrr.)

[Ischaue]

Erste Zug ist der X2000 von Schweden.

Zweiter der ICE der DB.

X2000 wäre besser, von wegen Kurvenlage ;-)

[oversearailway]

Yeah, I remember running both of those trains when they were here. The ICE TRAIN alertor alarm said "zifa,zifa,zifa". I remember the German officials were always scared when it ran through North Philadelphia, because all the kids threw rocks and destroyed the windows every trip it made. The reason the TGV never made it across the Atlantic was epitomized by one french official stating, "It would be like an opera star singing in a bistro". Can say I blame them considering the ICE.

[ACLTony]

I'm disappointed that Amtrak didn't buy the F69 series. Hopefully now that EMD & Caterpillar have merged together, EMD will come out with a unit that can effectively compete with Amtrak's GE P40-P42 series units.

[metroliner89]

Ice train in america???

[tomnaro]

nice video but holy shit that is an annoying horn. what happen to amtraks normal k5la?

[Durandrailfan]

they came by Troys place

[1jackdk]

@Durandrailfan NO!!! They came by my place. I have been here for 22 years. Troy wasn't even born yet. So I guess you can say they came by my place, and most of Troy's stuff he shot at my place. Which is off my front porch. LOL

[nsglc1985]

@1jackdk i see

[mbta1000]

we need those today....

[nyshortline]

The horn on the rear cab of the ICE sounded EXACTLY like the old Metroliner MU horns.

[CALTRAIN4000]

I miss those engines....I wonder do they have them around.

[lexmarks567]

the F69PHAC's are now scrap. at lest one stripped of parts rests in a scrap yard somewhere.

[IrishRail123]

weird cool and interesting :D

[thehellmantrain]

i hate the horn

[BNSF5608]

I figured out what that horn is on the F69PHAC. Since I'm making one for MSTS, I found that there is a small Nathan Single chime horn on the rear of both 450 and 451. Thats what they're blowing in this video here, otherwise, they usually used the Nathan K5LA on the roof.

[RCKTBOY7]

Are you gonna release it?

[five0fan]

WHy was there an ICE train in America?

[traintastic]

they were thinking adout useing then on the NEC!

[five0fan]

Wow! So they were sent on a boat from Germany to America?

[traintastic]

@five0fan yes there were!

[five0fan]

So did Amtrak send them back?

[traintastic]

yes they went with the acela Instead of the ICE!

[MilwaukeeSDman]

When did they test & Where are they now

[traintastic]

NEC boston to DC, then they were sent back home to their Country where they came from!

[BWyrick]

Actually, 450 and 451 were likely sold to Metra, seeimg how many they have.

[kdlehel]

yes to trainset it is electric. Onse sweedish and toher german. Has pantographs

[HyndmanHelper]

Nice video! I remember seeing the ICE train parked in Pittsburgh.

[altoonaPArailfan]

cool

[CSX6000]

NASTY horn on the tilt train!

[pwalpar]

Awesome video 5*

[Conrail2576]

Outstanding catches!!! I remember when they tested the X2000 back in the 90's. Wish I would have had a camcoder back then but ended up getting a pic of it though.

[ba82paulus]

I didn't realize that has been so long ago.

I shot the Tilt Train eastbound from the steps of "HO" Tower on the Cumberland Subdivision.

[OhioRails]

amazing!

[nyshortline]

That rear horn sounded EXACTLY like one of the old Metroliner horns!

[gaycowboy31]

I just saw very brieflly the Russian version of this whle over there in June they bought ICE sets to run between Moscow & St Petersberg hell the one that passed me was gong so damn fast I didnt get a shot in time it caught me off guard we were parked in the depot takeing water for the steam engines and it blew by

[gaycowboy31]

I need to rephrase my statement here this is not the ICE like i saw in Russia this a X2000 I ddint watch the whole video all I saw was the first train the second one in here was like the Russian one I saw

[nhlives]

The 1st train in the video is the Swedish X-2000, with 2 F40s shoving on the rear. The second train is the German ICE train with the Amtrak's only two F69PHAC "Winnabego's" leading.

[AviationMetalSmith]

I knew about the X2000 being tested on the NorthEast Corridor, but I didn't know it was tested on any other line.

And I never knew the ICE train came to America at all.

Interesting, very informative video.

[DeltaPhi79]

Train in the middle of the street. Wow. XD

[ACLTony]

At 1:10, those two white EMD diesels look like the F69PH locomotives that EMD produced years back. Ashamed that Amtrak didn't purchase them. Beautiful units, but that whistle is "horrid". Nice seeing the ICE cruising on US rails. My only complaint is the whistle. Yes, that's standard in Europeon countries, but I think our Leslie and Nathan horns sound much, much nicer! Imagine an ICE at speed with a K5LA horn. That would be a "Sweet" combo!

[comparvis]

All EMD locomotives are build with German technology. Siemens and Electro Motive Diesel have a partnership.

SD 70 MAC was engineerd by Siemens Transportation. And the New York City subway are all made by Siemens. Damn, the Germans run over your country! ;-)

[xxxDeath9572xxx]

Wow, outstanding catch Jack, i remember reading about those units being tested before!

[dutchtrainmanserie22]

awesome video , the ICE train in America.

[TEMPLE7D]

the x2000 would of been good today

[mjet401bnsf]

gayest horn ever

[Superedit]

Achtung! Das ICE!

[jdgator95]

WOW The ICE running in us for amtrak! Something we'll definitely never see again! Great video

[truenorther]

Archival footage & great to see the possibilies that were once thought os, still thing Bombardier was the right choice for NEC, but these kind of videoes will be wtxhed long after were all gone... great stuff..

R

[robmasterman]

Superb video again Jack, those trains looked very advanced for that time, and some striking liveries as well...5* Bob

[1jackdk]

Thanks Bob, To bad the tilt train never worked out. Jack

[robmasterman]

The same happened over here Jack, people felt sick when the train was tilting, it's taken twenty years and they've sorted it out now...Bob

[imprezzed42296]

The First train was the Swedish X2000, IIRC.

[1jackdk]

Thats it!!! Thanks. Jackmp294

[iusetano]

Another great piece of video history. I appreciate you putting up.

[NJT4111]

cery cool, nice cathes, horrible horns on those F69s

[trainsruleandroll]

Awesome but weird as well. Very cool video!! 5*****

[gp40mc]

Does anybody know where the ICE trainset was delivered to the US. On NERAIL (New England Rail) which is a website w/ photos of trains in new england there is a picture of it being hauled thru Portland, maine by an F40. It would have come right through my town. I was not even born yet though but I thought it was strange it was coming from up north.

[Bellwestern80]

Who was put in charge of tuning those horns? They sound terrible. Still cool to see older footage like this though.

[furryfurball1221]

Someone needs to beat that horn with a rusty pole. lol awesome video.

[cbehr91]

450 and 451 are not F40s, they are in fact F69PHACs, an experimental model by EMD and Siemens. They only ran with the ICE sets and then were returned back to EMD for scrap.

[1jackdk]

Thats interesting. Didn't know they where scraped. Thanks for the info on that. Take care, Jackmp294

[imprezzed42296]

IIRC, 451 Still exists.

[lexmarks567]

one of those locos still exsits.. in a scrap yard stripped of parts

[andybowe]

I saw both in Amtrak colors back in 1990 or 1991 leading the eastbound Empire builder at the Northbrook Illinois trainstation

[sneadfootball]

Wow, that would have been a cool looking train to see through town today lol

[bagelboi66]

Thanks for posting this. You're a valuable resource to the railroad enthusiast community.

[1jackdk]

Thanks!!! Much appreciated. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294