Antenna Stirs Up Controversy Pt 2

[N5LRZ]

PRB 1 clearly is interpreted by the FCC states that while the antenna tower cannot be denied, reasonable restrictions and requirements can be be imposed on the tower owner aka height restrictions, engineering requirements, permits, required inspections, etc.

In the end the cost cost of a legal authorized tower of 30 feet may not be worth the price.

Always investigate thoroughly before you move to a place.

N5LRZ

[QROFB]

many of the guys operate totally hidden now days, hidden antenna. I suppose serious HAM need to move out to country side for bigger and better antenna, and no neighbour to interfere with.

[1SoundBlaster]

Did this station get the permision to have the tower or did he have to remove it

[mannexstein]

damn haters

[N5LRZ]

@mannexstein

It is called the law in re to Contracts. NEVER sign any contract unless you read all the fine print and agree to ALL THE TERMS of the contract in its totality. Because unless the contract specificly states otherwise, NO tap backs are allowed.

PRB1 does NOT apply to private contracts. PRB1 only applies to governments and government agencies and states only a reasonable allowance not necessarily cheap, free or very high.

N5LRZ

[QROFB]

I do operate in stealth mode with not to seen antenna / aerials. because, when neighbour's TV has problem HAM are often get blamed for causing interference. this way, nobody know I am HAM. I like to move to the place where it has large enough plot I can erect antenna.

[N5LRZ]

@QROFB

It is my sincere hope that you do not live in a HOA zone that has restricted external antenna provisions in the purchase contract.

Not only can the HOA sue you to make you remove said antenna BUT also any and all people in the HOA can sue you for breach of contract.

Hope no one ever finds your antenna who is also pizzed off at you.

N5LRZ

[w0cpm]

if i had a place of my own and the money to do it I would have a tower tall enough to be registered with the fcc and the faa.

[bigpimp347]

whats that unsightly antenna in the background ??

looks like a TV antenna, what a mess that looks, it made me not notice the 'Ham' antenna that looks so beautiful, but spoilt by the TV antenna up on the horizon (top of the hill) spoilt a good view it did...Grr i'm mad..

[yellowdart137]

@Briankey1960

hate to say it but authoritarian and fascism come to mind, not socialism.

america has always, like most nations, had its fascist streaks. before the US we burned witches, negros, natives, other outcasts, etc now days we have the war on drugs etc.

you can't smoke a plant, its illegal. hell you can't even grow it's very useful and non-psychoactive variation, hemp.

we care more about where dicks go than bettering our selves. we bicker over stupid ordeals like children.

[cgypat4play]

I guess the coverage we get during disasters isn't enough, either that or people naively think we can just whip up a tower, antenna and rig in minutes during a natural disaster (well, we can, hence field day, but it's better to have it working before-hand). Better marketing of Amateur Radio!

[BurningTirez]

its always good to be on your neighbors good side

[slippery396]

He should sue the bastards ... that will teach them the laws one way or the other.

[haansgruber]

Ayn Rand wrote in Atlas Shrugged:

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power

any government has is the power to crack down on

criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals,

one makes them. One declares so many things to be

a crime that it becomes impossible to live without

breaking laws."

peace :)

[haansgruber]

Next it'll be I don't like the clothes you're wearing, then it'll be that dog is too big for this small quiet neighborhood

Where does the madness of government over regulation end?

peace :)

[HighPoweredLasers]

You know what would go good with that antenna? A trailer with vinyl skirting all around it!

[graveforensics]

they dont like it, huh ?? well they will be the first ones to kiss his backside when disaster strikes and they have no phones,cell phones or radio to tell them whats going on or to find relatives or shelter, maybe they should think long and hard about that!!

[6619723510]

I think ill do something like that, and in my front yard i will post a sign saying, "As a licensed amateur radio operator, the federal government gives me the right to have and antenna. If you dont like it i will gladly stab you eye's out. WERE IS PART 3, or atleast the ending

[ballm0use]

haha best comment

[6619723510]

thanks

[Panamax35]

That antenna is the only thing that has character in that blight of a housing development. Having all of the houses look the same is more offensive. LOL

[KC0TCH]

if you dont like it just dont look at it. darn those communist homeowners associations

[N5LRZ]

@KC0TCH

This is a perfect case for PRB1. The government must make a reasonable allowance for an antenna. HOWEVER, PRB1 does not define reasonable and as such the local government may require building permits, inspections and such that can result in a cost of multiple thousands of dollars.

In the end the local government can under PRB1 make the antenna cost tens of thousands of dollars for only 30 feet of antenna, IF the ham has that much to begin with.

N5LRZ

[bradmann85]

i would put a huge sign saying. if you dont like it. tough i was here first

[zo6vetteman2003]

It may be an eye-sore to some, but to a Ham operator it is a thing of beauty. I have a Rohn AG-25 68' foldover in my yard, and my neighbors have never complained. I have a large property as well and if it fell over, in would remain on my property. All safety precautions were taken and the tower was installed according to the manufacturer's engineered drawings. 73's

[hack41yt]

I was supporting you. I am sorry if it did not come out that way. I was simply pointing out the Federal legislation that allows us HAMS to do such things, PRB-1. Good luck on those exams. I hope to hear you on HF soon.

73 de KU5E

I think the greater threat comes from BPL - Broadband over powerlines. Look that one up.

[clarusadvoco]

CAN YOU SAY PRB-1, if not read it. It is the document that protects our rights as Amateur Operators.

73

[tkdteen2]

am haveing the same problem here in il hope you get that tower up if anyone knows who i can call or contect when the stuff hits the fun plz contect me on here plz contect me on who to contect plz 73's

[sonick808]

PRB-1 will prevail once again

[purctry985]

nice klotz vadis

[hamtalker2007]

take it to the top size and let them kiss your tower. and tell it that it is there forever. 73 kj4aqv hamtalker207

[KC0TCH]

Mr Boyd, if you ever come to southwest missouri i look worward to cathing you on the air here. 73 KC0TCH

[PopeOfEngland]

Mr. Boyd's antenna should be a beacon of comfort because if a disaster occurs in your community, you will be turning to him for emergency communication services which he will be happy to provide.

73s

[NipkowDisk]

PRB-1 ALL THE WAY! Go for it! I wish him the very best. 73 de N7LTH

[radiowd]

Good show, I know you will prevail Robert in your case to keep your antenna standing high above the rooftops. Proud of you in sticking to your guns in this matter. Your service is more vitally needed, as with all hams around the world. Pleasant QSO's, and DX your heart out. 73's Wayne va3gro from Canada

[radiowd]

Whoops!!!! made a typing error. My callsign is va3grp, not va3gro. Thought I'd better clairify that or I'd have another ham in Ontario, Canada after me for using his or her callsign. Best regards fron Canada Wayne..

va3grp....ahhh got it right that time...hihihihi, 73's,,QRT.

[bigluke93]

power it up and jam up everyone cable/satelitte tv and use that as ransom lol

[lazzer408]

Get another hobby!!

K9FAG out.

[terrybi]

And in the background the tv antenna sits undisputed. Pretty amazing.

[cqdx15]

Give them Hell !!! Next time, put up a stronger lattice tower and stack a few on - Antennas are beautiful!

[lankyvision]

To KC0TCH: Don't worry about it the Nextels will work. "LOL" Oh wait no one want's a tower for the cell phones either. Duhhhhhhhh.

73

Jeff

K1JWM

[KC0TCH]

its like that BPL crap ...people could be all happy and content to have BPL and uh,oh an f5 tornado just wiped a major urban area away,all phone networks (if working) are jammed. but if we hams till had licenses we could do something to help but no, to some people BPL is more important but they cant use it either because the tornado that wiped away thier home hit with very little warning because the storm spotters are also hams

[bigluke93]

i agree hams are the silent guardian angels in a time of emergency...my friend is one i dont know his call sign kc0....idk..but neways we had a tornado go through and he was able to save lives cuz a house hit next to his had injuries in it if no ham was available they prbly would of died

[gccengineering1996]

We need all to work together as SWL's and HAM's to put up enough wires and towers as long they meet the FCC requirements and also keep connected just in case Texas or some other places need emergency communications. Cause these days we don't know what will happen next in the near or far future. Hurricane Katrina and Dean one great examples

[rjairam]

The city has no right to tell him he can't have a tower. Mr. Boyd, keep on fighting the good fight. My town tried to deny me, then looked at case law, where other cities/towns fought amateurs putting up towers and lost every time. So they backed off and gave me my permit for my 70 footer. You will prevail! The only thing I can see stopping you are CC&Rs which PRB-1 does not cover.

[N5LRZ]

@rjairam

Tis true PRB1 says the cannot outright deny. BUT BUT they can make it so damn expensive with permit requirements, inspections, etc etc etc that it becomes just too damn expensive for an antenna height of only 30 feet .

AND REMEMBER that PRB1 and the FCC do not define the term 'Reasonable'.

N5LRZ.

[rjairam]

@N5LRZ They can't make it "so damn expensive with permit requirements" either. They can regulate safety, aesthetics and height only. Any ordinance or regulation must be the "minimum practicable regulation" to achieve these objectives. This precludes some of the more egregious requirements that apply to commercial towers such as annual inspections and conditional use permits. Where it does get expensive is when a municipality breaks the rules and you have to lawyer up to challenge them.

[N5LRZ]

@rjairam

They can under PRB1 require a building permit plus penalty and interest....permit to build cost 5000 in my location. PLUS they CAN demand an engineering report and a professional engineering inspection, PLUS an insurance requirement as well as LIMIT THE HEIGHT.. SOOOOO YES they can make it extremely expensive into the thousands and thousands of dollars.

Amateur Radio is NOT NOT NOT a Right.

N5LRZ

[rjairam]

@N5LRZ If it is $5000 across the board for all building permits then they are OK. But I highly doubt that is the case. They can't specifically charge you a special $5000 ham radio tower building permit fee. That would be prohibited under PRB-1.

[N5LRZ]

@rjairam

It could be higher.....

The county could classify the tower as a commercial tower which would by the very nature of commercial towers means Higher Permit Fees, Inspections, Insurance Requirements, and red tape up the AZZ.

AND REMEMBER IF he sues in a court of law the ARRL will NOT pick up his legal tab meaning that tower can STILL cost him many thousands of dollars in legal costs alone.

TOWERS are NOT a constituional RIGHT.

[rjairam]

@N5LRZ Preventing the classification of a ham tower as a commercial tower is exactly what PRB-1 is about. I suggest you read the book "antenna zoning for the radio amateur" as it covers all of these topics in depth, with references to actual cases, regulations and laws. Anyway, it looks like you are vehemently anti-tower. You are probably jealous of your butt constantly being kicked in the pileups and want to scare hams into putting up towers. :)

[N5LRZ]

@rjairam

Take em to court and find out how much that tower is going to cost you after permits, fines, interest, and all other EXPENSES that that tower is going to cost once you tack on LEGAL FEES.

Remember that the ARRL legal team advises but does NOT represent in courts of law. The individual has to pay his own lawyer in the legal action out of his own pocket...

And if there is an HOA type clause in the contract to buy property one is truly screwed.

N5LRZ

[rjairam]

@N5LRZ They also can't make you have special insurance. That only applies for commercial towers. Any good attorney can get that struck down from the requirements for getting a permit for a ham radio tower. As I pointed out earlier, height limits are OK but they must be "reasonable."

[N5LRZ]

@rjairam

Bottom LINE....

The moron should have checked the building codes and requirements BEFORE HE PUT THE TOWER UP.

Hell he should have checked the Building Codes and Costs BEFORE even moving there in the first place.

And he should have checked the Building Codes for the area where he lived before he even thought about getting a license that he could not adequately use due to legal restrictions.

N5LRZ

[sophiegromit]

What do you expect from redneck rural Texas, a state that has spawned morons like Bush?! Besides, Amateur Radio may be a lifesaver for this community one day!

[DIESELDEMON306]

People need to just Grow the hell up , He has every right in the world to put up that tower and if the neighbors dont like it , Well tough damn shit No one raises hell about all the Cellular phone towers poping up on every hill side so these, Same complainers can have their stupid phone stuck to their ear . Bet they never thought of that the ignorant assholes , Our ham radios will be around when these Cell phones are gone and no time to soon anyway

[N5LRZ]

@DIESELDEMON306

For point of record, cell phone towers for my best knoledge must get legal permits, have inspections etc.

And yes if you live in a HOA from my general understanding any member of the HOA can bring legal action to force you to obey the contract that you singned or face financial penalty.

IF the contract says no or the HOA says NO:DONT put it up no matter what you want.

You may not like the consequences

N5LRZ