Corolla XRS vs MR2 w/ JDM swap

[aceher12]

that mr2 was weak...mine with a 16v red top small port was able to take out srt4s

[jerryatrix9]

holy fucking cameraman fail batman..

[falcon021084]

so basically after reading of these comments da mr2 driver is not skilled and the corolla driver is? i guess ur right. i have a mr2 with only 16v engine and lightweight flywheel i race against a Honda hatch B16 type R supposedly but i dont think it is a type R n i had him from da beginnin all the way to the middle of the race n then he passes me slowly during the end i guess i have more skill then that Honda driver. almost beat'em. i guess driver skill does make a difference. see video response

[hmglorboi1]

lols your right. a 10 sec car is fast but if the driver sucks then the car is slow

[falcon021084]

my mr2 does average of 8.3s 0-60 mph, it can do 7.8 if shift correctly. 10s is real slow. u probably drive my car n make 11s or more. giving that u think it only does 10s

[falcon021084]

i posted a vid response but it didn't come up, check my vids me racing a exhaust leaking civic

[hmglorboi1]

lols i mean your car runs 10 sec at the track 1/4 miles and if the driver sucks at driving then you will lose to a 13 sec car

[falcon021084]

yeah that happens allot if the power diference is only like 20 or 40 hp. and if the driver takes 5 mins to shift 1st to 2nd gear, yeah ofcourse that guy is going to loose vs the slower car. this is common sense, and no my car only does 15.6 secs in 1/4 mile. i still don't get the concept of ur joke

[24okay]

not bad

[zerohunter64]

woot xrs ftw i have one and its pretty powerful and it has a high hp 170 plus vvti -l the 20v only has 150 but it is in a light weight model so it should do more but oh well xrs win :D

[hollywoodcorolla]

that mr2 is not running 20v open itbs...listen to the sound and its might be running the 16v non- t vis motor. that xrs shouls have no chance from the dig.. unles that guy is real stupid.

[RA244Me]

You are an idiot.  Blocked.

[Tadeh]

@hollywoodcorolla - lol the mr2 driver is probably a noob. and all the that's bs lol 20v open itb's... lmao

[34SkiLLz14Luck]

RETARDED video... 20V vs 16V the 20V puts 150 to the wheels. the 16V puts 110 to the wheels. there is the culprit gtfo here

[TheSofaFox]

If you mean the USDM Bigport engine, then yes. But there are several N/A 16V out there. The JDM Map Smallport puts out 140. And there are two 20V variants. The ST and the BT. The BT could do 150 stock at the wheels, a ST normally is a little bit shy of that. Come on man, if you're going to pull shit out of your ass at least make it look like you know what you're talking about.

[ShinobiBoiX]

i guess the newer car won?

[biker1510]

yeah whats wrong with that mr2...

[bdub215]

gears. if it had the blacktop + 6spd it'd run better against the xrs.

[TheSofaFox]

Yep.

[PestVic]

oh ok. i see new its a 1st gen mr2... haha no wonder that car is crap unless modded up the ass :-P

[bdub215]

what tranny was the MR2 runnin?

[zodiak650]

ninety4point6 your name is Clevus from Arkansas, your country accent makes your ass sound like a rabbit when you talk. You have an car with an LS1 motor that you like to drive fast on the straight away in the cornfields. You act like I haven't driven chevys and fords kid. HAHAHAH

How does it feel to have mechanical problems on every other week? :)

Whos the tallest midget??? Chevy or Ford??? HAHAHHA!

[ninety4point6]

How does it feel to know that I have had no mechanical problems and my grandpas CHEVY truck has lasted 450,000 miles with the original engine, not rebuilt.

Let me tell you what a midget is...

A 5SF-E toyota engine.

[zodiak650]

Does that Chevy shit truck come with a banjo also? Grandpa never raced that car, you ever think bout that? Drove like a Grandpa ever since he got the truck.

Primitive 350 engine, how does it feel to drive an engine that my granmother can build?

[ninety4point6]

Do you even know how to turn a wrench?

Much less build an engine.

I get a kick out of you

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­AHAHAHAH

[ninety4point6]

mr2 should take out the pos 20v

[zodiak650]

Dont be hatin on the 20v motor sucka. I roll with a 5sf-e so it dont hurt my feelings, you probably hate the 20v because you are a drag racer, not a driver. Thats the difference between some of us. The drivers are the ones who can really appreciate that 20v know how it should be tuned and not restricted to what it can really do. Drag racers tend to have SDS small dick syndrome, scared to have a real race so you tend to pick on the lil fast and furious ricers LOL.

[ninety4point6]

You just said don't pick on us fast and the furious ricers.

I can't take you seriously. When you get a car that can make over 150whp then come talk to me.

I respect import cars that make a lot of power. Like K24 honda's making over 300whp N/A. That is impressive.

Then again you could just get an LS1, like me, and make over 300whp bone stock. lol

Also, a drag racer is not a driver you make me laugh.

[zodiak650]

A lil reminder son, hp sells the car torque wins the races kid. I told you I roll with a 5sf-e how you know that baby doesnt push 150whp? I was talking shit about drag racers like you. People like you need to learn how to road race. Suckas like you started this shit after all those lil weak movies yall are into. All you fake and furious straight away suckas wouldn't even last on the touge son.

[ninety4point6]

Touge give me a fucking break.

Yeah, because you do that shit everyday.

If it did have 150whp you would say it did.

[MazterDizazter]

I was gonna say, the driver of that MR2 must be doing something wrong if a stock XRS with two occupants can beat it like that

[zodiak650]

No that stock SR motor or XRS whatever it is motor won that race fair and square. The owner of MR2 needs to tune his motor completly different if he wants to set his car for straight away.

[seymour86]

How do you have intake and open ITBs?

[RA244Me]

Ha, that was a mistake on my part making the vid. I just got overexcited typing out the mods. :) Surprised it took this long for someone to notice it.

[dbzvulture]

After looking at some other dyno videos I believe that the truth is that toyota underated there engine. im seeing 150-168WHP that would mean its putting out 180-185Flywheel not 170. This would make up for the 250-300 Pound difference. But watching the RX7 vs MR2 video he also dosent shift at right points IMO. SO Good kill with the corolla.

[RA244Me]

Glad we got that straightened out.

[123motd]

wtf stf^ acuras suck....aSS!!!

[dbzvulture]

Somehow I dont believe the mr2 has the above Mods......

[RA244Me]

It does. I don't see what is so hard to believe about that.

[dbzvulture]

Because I have driven a MR2 with a 20V with Individual throttle bodies and it was a beast for its size, it was a 86 hardtop. And I have driven the XRS when I was looking for a truck at toyota, it was fast but butt dyno told me that my friends 20V should of been faster. Im guessing he needs a tune, and the 101 octane will not help much its a NA... I have a mk1 MR2 SC, mk2 MR2 Turbo, and a Supra TT, and a tundra now :)

[Zen169]

go to "pad and wheels dot com" he put a 20v BT in his aw11 and got 137whp. stock

[dbzvulture]

Yes lets look at this ~137WHP on a ~2350 Pound car vs a ~144WHP (170HP Flywheel) -15%on a ~2600 Pound car. You would think the lighter one with BTW much better tq rating would win... So something isnt right with the 2 or bad driver.

[shuichinz]

queer cunt shouldnt be running open throttles

[ironcouch57]

I feel sorry for the MR2. The driver doesn't rev the engine enough to drag itself out of the dig in the 1st. run. Hear the poor engine bogg down as the low performance driver attempts to release the clutch into 1st gear.

[Alex346z]

I dont' see the fun in racing 16 second cars :(

[FearlessMortal]

agreed

[DocTaRED]

Advantage...Shorter gear, closer ratio, higher final drive 6spd tranny, Higher Compression, High Lift Cam Profile, much lighter stock flywheel(over 6lbs) and +209cc displacement. Not a fair comparison!!

[Michel4AGE]

You're all a bunch of noobs :))

J/K.

Silvertop sucks.

[b4dg3r]

That's a joke considering you can make that with a 16v 4AGE on a dyno with the same mods. We've had no problems getting 150whp from a stock blacktop in a AE111.

[Gonzalor29]

Even so, a 16v has more potential than the blacktop, considering that there is a greater amount of headwork possible to be done...seen formula atlantic ? 16v, 240hp n/a...and the blacktop isn't the ideal engine to have when going turbo...because toyota made the internals lighter, they are also thinner and weaker...

[b4dg3r]

See my point is that the internet is often the only place for information these days on such topics (have you ever seen a book discussing the merits of 4AGE vs 2zz?), and unfounded statements often have a trickle down effect into real life, which can really irritate you if you get info that is total bs when it comes to working on your own car. Still waiting for proof that the 4AGE is overrated and that 2zz is superior in every way.

[Gonzalor29]

People on twincam. info have dynoed a blacktop 4A-GE 20v and got @ 140whp

[Gonzalor29]

correction...it made @ 120whp...

w w w.twincam. info / index . php? showtopic =8044

(remove spaces)

[05XRS]

I took a picture now from my engine block with Yamaha stamped on the side and uploaded (take the spaces out):

ht tp: / / img233. imageshack. us/ img233 /2163 /yamaha2zzff9. jpg

Like I said before, I have nothing to gain from your acceptance. I never asked for any proof, but gave video links to tuned 185 whp XRS, dynosheets of bolt-on XRS. This thread is beating on a dead horse arguing over worthless cr*p that does not mean anything to me!

[b4dg3r]

Thanks, you have now cleared up that Yamaha designed the 2ZZ. This means something to me because I'm sick of people on the internet who run their mouth off and really have no proof of what they are on about. If you want proof of anything I've stated as fact then just ask and you shall recieve.

[94camry]

You dont need to prove anything to this guy. I will for you.

[Gonzalor29]

ok lol

[05XRS]

From Wikipedia:

"Toyota commissioned Yamaha to design the 2ZZ-GE, and it shares several similarities with street bike engines, the most notable being the relatively high RPM design. The high-output cam profile is not activated until above 6000 RPM (the exact point of engagement is different depending on the vehicle, year, and ECU involved)."

[05XRS]

I have absolutely nothing to gain from acceptance received from you whatsoever. If I said, it says 'Yamaha' on the side of my engine block. Thats is exactly what it means. I will take a f**g picture of the 'Yamaha' written on my engine block this weekend and shove it up your a**!

[05XRS]

Oh and Yamaha first designed the 2000 GT sports car engine back in 1967 so they have had a working collaboration for over 40 years.

[b4dg3r]

On the 2000GT - "The engine was a 2.0 L (121 in³) straight-6 (the 3M) based on the engine the top-of-the-line Toyota Crown sedan. It was transformed by Yamaha with new double overhead camshaft heads into a 112 kW (150 hp) sports car engine" So Yamaha designed the Crown too?

[b4dg3r]

However going round saying that the 4AGE is overated and the 2ZZ is superior in every way just makes you sound like an obnoxous internet troll expecially when you're all hot air and have no real evidence or knowledge.

[b4dg3r]

From the way I see it, the 2zz is the decendent of the 4AGE. Toyota needed a new sporty cheap motor. Both the 4AGE and the 2zz have racing heritage, for an example of each you have Formula Atlantic for the 4AGE and the Toyota Racing Series (NZ name, might be different overseas) for the 2zz.

[SpeedKlz]

B18C5 Type R motor was a strictly race track car so the gear ratios were a lot shorter and was strung out more, which made it faster overall. If it took only 2 years for Honda to make a comparable K20 engine with lift and VVT-i, it was because they care more about high revving engines (motorcycles?) unlike Toyota that outsourced development of both 3S-GE and 2ZZ-GE to Yamaha. That is why they continued to improve while Toyota stopped after 2001.

[gixxer4a]

wow im surprice you do know your history of toyota but now your making up excuses of the b18 being a race motor

so what the 2zz is an econo wana be sports motor. your talking all this bsof how the 2zzis far better thatn the 4ag and all youve done is shown me that you know your toyota history.

[SpeedKlz]

Toyota neutered 2ZZ because they want it to appeal to a wider audience. Only saying B18C5 "out of the factory" was for the Integra Type R was more of a focused track car. The 8800 rpm redline and the super short gear ratios made the Integra Type R quicker. Motor to motor, as seen from Apexi PFC tuning 2zz can rev up to 8800 rpm all day long with everything stock and can deliver a far better torque curve (especially on the low speed cam) across the rev band than the b18C5 motor.

[SpeedKlz]

That is when Yamaha built 2ZZ-GE that weighed a lot less than the 3S-GE. Although, 2ZZ-GE was rated a bit less than the B18C5 type R, but their peak wheel horsepower was almost identical. Celica also weighed less than the Type R.

[SpeedKlz]

ROFL..This thread cracks me up. Funny how someone could even begin to think a 505 wheel horsepower 1.8 liter engine could be "all-motor". The fact that someone has the imagination to even think about it, simply goes to show how retard of that person his. Hahah.

[05XRS]

My 2ZZ has 51,000 miles on it and had zero problems with frequent 8400 rpm shifts. From the videos I had sent you, N/A it is more than obvious that only a 1.8 liter high revving motor putting out 190+ whp with just bolt ons and tune (240 - 245 hp at the crank) with lift from 5500 - 8800 rpm is nothing ordinary.

[b4dg3r]

Well seeing as you have owned one then I guess you know absolutely everything there is to know about them. I also like the fact that you are loosing almost 25% of the engine's power through the drive train, which just goes to show that you are blowing your figures totally out of proportion and really don't know what you're on about.

[gixxer4a]

it seems like you`ve done your home work but now do this a completly stock out of a show room 2zz being 10 years newer bigger displacement, better head work and lift is only able to pump out 5hp i will give you torque a bigger engine will make more torque but why just 5 more hp

[SpeedKlz]

I read through the thread and you seem to have memory lapses or something since it was mentioned before. Stock EPA emission standards in US are far stricter 15 years after 4A-GE came out. Check the European version of 2ZZ-GE in the Corolla T Sport, Elise or Celica T Sport, the exact same engine puts out 193 HP and 138 pound feet of torque. That is close to 20 more HP and even bigger difference in torque.

[b4dg3r]

I'm still trying to see why a 2ZZGE is 'far superior in every way' to a 4AGE. I'm still not convinced.

[gixxer4a]

ok fine you got me almost 20 more but you know youre telling me that the 2zz was made to out flow the b18 but

jet the b18 still pulled more hp and it only took 2 years for honda to make a better motor. now the 4ag came out in 85 and took honda 7 years to come out with the b16 to compete with the 4ag like b4dg3r says im still not convinced.

[SpeedKlz]

For one, you are forgetting another Yamaha built engine that Toyota put in the Altezza called BEAMS 3S-GE Dual VVT-i in 1996 with 2.0 liter 200 HP. That was 4 years before BEAMS 2ZZ came out. 3S-GE was the successor of the 4A-GE since it shared the same iron block and many other components. 3 years after that, Toyota got Yamaha to build a 2nd 100 HP/liter engine, with the idea of making it all aluminum.

[b4dg3r]

You clearly again prove you don't know anything. 3S was not the successor of the 4AGE, as they ran both lines at the same time. As for sharing the same block - WTF are you on? How can a 2L motor share the same block as a 1.6L? I doubt that a stroked 4AGE could go anywhere neer 2L. They share NO parts in common. You're so wrong about something simple that nobody should believe anything you say.

[SpeedKlz]

OK, maybe I am incorrect about 3S-GE and 4A-GE sharing anything. I read it somewhere in a technical document, but I could have misinterpreted it. Still, this in no way means my knowledge about 2ZZ-GE or 3S-GE is incorrect. It is a 2.0 Liter 200 HP Dual VVT-i engine that was developed by Yamaha in 1996. It was also used in the Corolla Super 2000 rally car.

[b4dg3r]

Yamaha only designed heads for Toyota, and they've actually been doing that from at least the 80s. (Mk3 supra has 'Yamaha' clearly written on the head somewhere). I might also point out that Yamaha designed the heads for the 4AGE.

[05XRS]

That is not correct. Speedklz is right. Yamaha does build only heads in most cases of the G-series performance engines, but 2ZZ-GE was completely designed and developed by Yamaha (I believe 3S-GE was as well, but don't quote me on it). So much so that, Yamaha co. is stamped on the side of my engine block. I can get in there and take a picture of it as well. I can even show documented proof that it was completely built by Yamaha.

[b4dg3r]

I'd like to see your documented proof and photos on your claims in regard to the 2ZZ. I do believe that _may_ be true but I wanna see some proof because you ability to make stuff up astounds me.

[05XRS]

Make up stuff?? WTF?? Are you stup*d or what? I sent tons of proof of dynos and videos backing up everything I said. I did not ask for one single proof for the cr*p you had been writing. I own a f**g 2ZZ and you don't. I have learned ins and outs of the 2zz for the last 4 years.

[Gonzalor29]

Uhhmm...I think you mean that the 4A-GE came out in 1983...not '85...

[SpeedKlz]

Check your PM dumba**. I sent you link to the details and dyno of the 505 whp 2ZZ with only pistons swapped out. I knew you would not be able to find it!!

[gixxer4a]

i got your messege and 505 TURBO 2zz not ALL MOTOR like he spcified dumba and just piston doesnt make it stock stock internals means stock just as it came out of the manufacture just pistons in any mechanics book is consider as a MODIFICATION NOT STOCK dumba a completely stock 4agte well tuned will dyno well into

the 300s with stock internal dumba**

[b4dg3r]

7AGTE is a stroked 4AGE with a turbo on it. Local here in New Zealand runs 10.88 in an AE92 corolla with one. What's so special about that monkey wrench motor then? No vid of the recent 10 second run, but look up the youtube user 7agte to see 4AGE turbo potential.

[05XRS]

It was complete 2 mnths ago. The engine is undergoing rigorous testing before they take it to the track. Look at the power curve of the dyno of the 505 wheel horsepower 2zz I sent you. The torque at 5500 rpm is already at 280 wheel torque and hits peak at 6200 rpm of 375 wheel torque. It stays flat all the way up to 8800 rpm. This engine in a Celica with drag radials is going to fly.

[05XRS]

Again, 2ZZ is a 10+ year newer engine. The engineering is far superior hands down. The internals are far lighter, like speedklz said, 2zz head flows like no other engine and is a much modern engine. What it lacks is the aftermarket that 4AGE got over the 10+ years it go. In the next few years, 2ZZ will be where 4A-GE could never dream of going.

[b4dg3r]

Yes, but RIGHT NOW that doesn't support your claim that the 2ZZ is far superior in every way. How about the random oil pump explosions?

[05XRS]

Yes, overall aftermarket goes to 4A-GE simply because it has been around forever. 2ZZ Superiority is in the engineering of the head, technology and lightweight materials etc. I am not aware of pump explosions. I know of atleast 25 2zzérs (Celica GTS, Corolla XRS owners etc.) and none of them had any issues with oil pump. Only thing was 2ZZ had was in 2000, 2001 Celica GTS having lift bolts breaking, which were later on replace with much stronger cryo lift bolts.

[05XRS]

You have to be insanely stup*d to believe an all-motor engine with only this much displacement can make 505 horsepower to the wheels. It is one of many 2zz that make 400+ HP. I said, the pistons have been replaced and everything else from fuel rails, cams to intake manifold is stock. That is still no f**g ordinary feat. You are whining mor*n who is bullsh*tting out of your a**.

[05XRS]

Speedklz was responding to your "highest 2zz is only 292 wheel horsepower" bullsh*t when you f**g did not even have the intelligence to search for the 505 whp 2ZZ.

[05XRS]

My bad. Monkey Wrench Racing 2ZZ puts out 500 whp and not 400 whp. The only thing that was replaced internally were the pistons. Everything else in internals is stock down to the intake manifold. N/A having 190 - 195 wheel horsepower 2zz is common thesedays on daily driven 2ZZ-GE cars like Corolla XRS or Celica GTS in most cases, which is 240 - 245 HP at the crank. This can be done through bolt-ons with standalone ECU tuning (hydra or apexi PFC).

[gixxer4a]

were do you get all this nonsense there is no way(plus i didnt find anything on that site)that any 4 cylinder engine will make 400 no wait 500 chp all motor with stock internals. now turbo that hp that i found in you tube from a 2zz was 292. why dont you put in your search 4agte or look for tony rigioli (trp) he dyno 420 on a 4age theres another vid in street fire of a tercel with a 4agte and it dyno 402 oh mind you this is to the wheels not the crank.

[SpeedKlz]

Are you seriously a Toyota tech? Cause it sure looks like you don't know jacksh*t about them. Dumba** he is right. There are dynos and details on newcelica site. He even put the name "Monkey Wrench Racing". I googled it up myself using Monkey wrench racing 500 HP 2ZZ and he is right. youtube does not let you put links. Go look it up first before blowing farts out of your f**g mouth. It does put out 500 whp with all stock internals except pistons. The only idi*t is you here.

[gixxer4a]

you see im a toyota certified tech and i love my toyotas but it pisses me of when people dont know what the *&^% they talking bout. yes the 2zz its a great engine but it will never be as good as the motors that came out in the 80`s and 90`s

[SpeedKlz]

Cr*cks me that you are full of sh*t when you say "toyota certified". No other Toyota/Yamaha developed engine could flow as well as the 2ZZ head. Stock engine was tested at 10,000 rpm for 24 hours for the first time in toyota history. I do not own a 2ZZ or 4AGE. Heavily modded formula atlantic that you are bragging about is not even street legal. 2ZZ was developed to outdo the Honda B18C5 Type R motor that trounced the 4AGE. Honda had to come up with k20.

[b4dg3r]

Garage dori site has dynos of 4AGEs - you talk about a flatter torque curve - look for the 4AGE dyno where you could practically draw the torque output with a ruler. Remember - you claimed that "2ZZ-GE is far superior in every way." You still haven't proved that yet.

[05XRS]

Check your PM. I sent you videos and dyno pictures including video of XRS with 171 whp dyno on intake/exhaust only, a fully tuned XRS I found on streetfire with 185 whp and lift from 5500 - 8600 rpm. If you have any videos or dynos of 4A-GE stock and modded, PM them to me. I would like to see them. Thanks.

[gixxer4a]

yeah yeah you still got lift technology a lighter and larger engine and still power to displacement 4ag all the way nad besides you can only make power all motor you try to boost and whats going to happe nd to your aluminum block? 1000 pieces. oh 4ag makes ower all-motor as well the atlantic 4ag makes 240 hp from a 1.6 how much did your 2zz make?

[05XRS]

Go check Monkey Wrench Racing. They built a 400 whp 2ZZ-GE with STOCK internals! There are videos of Hass turbo XRS and Celica GTS here on you tube making 350 whp.

[05XRS]

As far as N/A highest power is concerned, 2ZZ-GE is 10 years newer and advance than the 4A-GE. At this point, the highest N/A 2ZZ-GE makes 225 whp using the stroker kit and other mods.

[05XRS]

Only difference in JDM/Euro 2ZZ-GE and American 2ZZ-GE is the intake/exhaust and ECU tuning because Toyota wanted LEV emission certification in US. SO yeah, we have the watered down 2ZZ.

[05XRS]

BTW, I have never said 4A-GE does not have potential if tuned right and with the right aftermarket parts. Formula Atlantic is a great example. It is just that, mod for mod, a 200 whp 2ZZ-GE with PFC tune with lift from 5500 - 8700 rpm, intake, exhaust, flywheel, clutch, P&P header will always win over a 200 whp 4A-GE with comparable weight.

[gixxer4a]

if the 2zz is a better engine how come it only makes 180 hp with vvtl-i and the 4ag black top with just vvti makes 175 hp mind you its a 1.6 not a1.8 so you tell me what you got to say now

[05XRS]

I am not sure why is it hard to comprehend. 2ZZ-GE is much lighter all-aluminum engine, compare dynos and it makes flat power and especially torque up to 8400 rpm using VVT and VVL both, better suited gear ratios. Oh did, I mention the European Corolla T-Sport/Celica T-Sport/Lotus Elise with exact same engine make 193 HP stock and 138 ft-lbs of torque?

[b4dg3r]

You wanna link us to some dyno sheets or are you gonna keep claiming against evidence you haven't shown us yet?

[05XRS]

You mean dynos of XRS? I got many sitting on my desktop. Heck there is video of XRS dyno at 172 whp with intake and exhaust only. That is over 190 HP at crank. Now, for your information, this site does not allow you to post links to sites. Try doing that and it will pop up a message. If you send me your mail address, I will be more than happy to send you information more than you want.

[b4dg3r]

Lol if you actually read it it says you can't post links _AND_ email addresses lol. Post it on photobucket and just tell me your account name.

[b4dg3r]

**Watches 05XRS dig himself into a bigger hole**

[b4dg3r]

You also have no concept of how an engine make power. Individual throttles provide a better response across the rev range, not an overall increase in power. Do you even know what VVT and VVT-i and the likes do?

[05XRS]

No need to be a jackass about it. I know what VVT and VVT-i and VVTL-i do. VVT-i and VVTL-i provide a far flatter torque curve. The 20v stock were putting out no more than 110 ft-lbs of torque with a 1.6 Liter. Now with, VVT-i it could have been a bit better. I posted link to the webpage where stock non-s/céd MR-2 AW11 weighed 2410 lbs. S/Céd weighs a bit more. All in all, I still destroy 20V 4A-GE imported Truenos and swapped simply because 2ZZ-GE is a better engine.

[05XRS]

The race looks right. 4A-GE is overrated. 2ZZ-GE is far superior in every way. XRS weighs 2600 lbs and the Mr-2 is not that much lighter with 4A-GE because of cast iron block (2ZZ is all aluminum). My XRS dynoéd at 172 whp with only intake/exhaust and ran a 14.8 on the dragstrip. I kill my buddy's 4A-GE 20V swap Corolla all the time. He dynoéd only at 145 whp with supporting mods. Oh, and people saying XRS has a turbo need to pull their heads out of their a**.

[b4dg3r]

Yeah, I guess a good 400lb is not that much lighter. Man I'd love to see your mates car, sounds like it must be running on three cylinders or something.

[05XRS]

XRS weighs 2650 lbs while MR-2 stock weighed 2410 lbs (official from Toyota). That is NOT 400 lbs. His car just runs fine. I have driven it myself. 4A-GE relies on individual throttle bodies to make it's power and VVT. Could be high mileage (95k miles) 2ZZ-GE is a far modern engine with more displacement, more power and torque across the rev range through VVT-i and lift (VVTL-i). Gear ratios are far better on 2ZZ as well.

[b4dg3r]

You're talking out your ass. Firstly I'd love to see a link to your official information from Toyota in regards to that weight. 2410lb = approx 1100kg. My AW11 weighs 980kg on a weighbridge, which is 2160lb. A good mate with an AE101 corolla has 200hp at the wheels on a 20v with aftermarket ECU, filter and exhaust. Same motor is going into my AW11. You loose.

[tvset08]

this video seems wrong i been building mr'2 for few years now look at my videos! but the mr2 should be rapping that XRS my 88 s/c eats them and its damn close to stock a so called 170 hp 2300 pound mr2 will run a 14 flat with a good driver in 2000 I built a 89 mr2 with an stock sliver top and a l/w flywheel and stick puck clutch and would run 14.3 all day long with a C56 trans!

[Gonzalor29]

(that was meant for "mtymserharmer")

[Gonzalor29]

(continued)I wasn't saying that hp is the ONLY thing that matters..There are tons of variables to consider ; gearing,tire sizes, aerodynamics,if you had a head wind or a tail wind,what type of fuel your running.. the ambient temperature ect ect,power to weight ratio too.A corolla weighs @ 2590 lbs and a MR2 weighs @ 2200 lbs,so there you see that the MR2 has less power,but is slightly lighter.but even so, the lighter body didn't compensate for the lack of power.

[Gonzalor29]

The MR2 is lighter,but has less power,it should only have @ 145-170hp as 20v's are over-rated engines.The XRS has a some more weight but also has more power,@ 190hp.Due to the extra displacement(0.2L)it also has more torque, thus the car "should" accelerate slightly faster...

[RA244Me]

XRS is only rated at 170 crank HP stock. Lotus elise is rated at 190 with the same motor but it has a different tune and exhaust to make the extra power. I can only assume thats where you came up with the 190 hp number.

[rdmcdani]

devasto..xrs is vvt-li what r u talking about?

[RA244Me]

I believe he was kidding, at least I hope so.,

[devasto7]

LOL ITS GOTTA BE BOOSTED CUZ TOYOTA DOESN'T HAVE VVTL-I, NO WAY ITS NOT CAMS ITS TURBO PEW PEW PSH PSH....sigh dumbasses, Toyota, bitch!

power:weight, i dunno what happen here....hmmm

[94camry]

I hope your kidding...if you not your a moron. Variable Valve Timing with Lift Intelligence (vvtl-i) is toyotas andswer to hondas vtec. Opening the cams for a surge of power after 6200 rpm.

[SheepStar1]

SOOOORRRRY, but VVTI only changes cam timing, there is no third intake came lobe like Honda's Vtec. And I-vtec takes it a step farther. You should watch the instructional videos here on youtube.

[94camry]

yoru correct vvti doesnt however if you can read you would have notice i said VVTL-I which does change.

[Gonzalor29]

ok.

sooo...the MR2 has a JDM 4AGE 20v ??

Even so, the XRS is still supposed to win, as it has more hp.

[RA244Me]

Yes, because nothing besides HP matters during a race, right? Don't be stupid.

[mtymseharmer]

You are making yourself sound so smart buddy. You hear the car hit lift and you think it has a turbo and now you are saying that horsepower is the only thing that matters in a race. If that were the case then there would be no loser in a Nascar race since they all have the same amount of power.

[Gonzalor29]

That wasn't the car hitting lift loser, it was him stepping on the throttle after he shifted...

[RA244Me]

Not misleading, the XRS is stock as stock can be, and there are no turbo's or blowoff valve sounds in the clip at all.

[Gonzalor29]

Listen to the last race...the corolla sounds turbo'd

[RA244Me]

cool, but it isn't.  It is my car, and I just took away its stockness and put a CAI on it. Trust me, it is my car. No turbo, nothing, completely stock during this race.

[iolite01]

I don't think that XRS's come with blowoff valves from the factory, let alone turbo's. Not stock. You need to change the title of the clip, it's misleading.

[KWilly85]

hehe, poor harmer

[kakapoopie]

dam bro.... AW11s are fun, but theyre definately not fast :P

[TheAutoholic]

I wish I could have been there to see the complete and utter destruction in person. ;)