Dina also should have beaten Shannon. Her beam was grossly undermarked and should have been right up with Shanon's score. Her bars was clearly better than Shannon yet got a lower score (9.825 to 9.850). Shannon has good form on bars and good difficulty and composition but was always short of her handstands after 83 and her swing was not as smooth. Dina's perfect 9.9 vaults should not have scored a full tenth lower than Shannon's crappy landings on a 10 vault.
you guys are so baised!!!!!!!! Dina deffenitly did not deserve to win, she falls out of her front tumbling, and has terrible form, milo had major bobbles on almost ALL her events! And this vaults start value is ten and both her hops were 2 tenths deduction, She had better form in the air then anyone in this entire meet. Milo didn't even come close to any of shannon miller's routines. Miller perfect bars, 1 bobbel on beam, semi good vault, and floor. Milo bad vault, horable bars, hideous floor.
Way way overmarked. This vault was worth only a 9.75 at best even if she stuck with the deep pike in the air and not amazing height or distance. Then the huge hop. She should have scored a 9.55. She got a 9.8 for this!?!? Outrageous. If this is a 9.8 the version Lilia did at the Goodwill Games should have been a 10.2. Considering she barely won her AA title was a huge gift this year, a gift based on her undeserved vault score.
Or perhaps Dina deserved to win. She wasnt really overmarked on any event and she was undermarked on beam and possibly slightly on bars and floor too. Considering Milo was overmarked on beam as you said, Miller was on vault, Miller possibly on floor, then I could easily see Dina winning under correct judging, and maybe even Gina 2nd as zzzz as her routines were.
@dbhmr breaking down the scoring Milo should have won over Miller.
Floor- Milo was undermarked. The tumbling was the best in the meet. She only got 9.812, should have been 9.850 atleast. Miller should have been deducted a full tenth for her mistake so deserved a 9.7 at highest and got a 9.75.
Beam- Yeah knock Milo's score down to a 9.737 because of her 2 mistakes.
Bars- 9.775 was ok for Milo because of her 2 small mistakes. 9.850 was too high for Miller though. 9.8 around.
@raichmaneuvers A 9.737 is still a bit high for Milo's beam set, and your bar assessment is way off. Milo was tight in her swing, had multiple form breaks, and took a huge step on her dismount. Miller totally hit her set and did probably her last good double layout off bars, and stuck it. A .025 difference, which is what your scores say, would have been outrageous.
Going off their performance, I still think Miller beat Milo; had they both performed perfectly, though, Milo should have won.
@dbhmr At the 94 Team World Milo got a 9.9 on beam. That is the score she would have gotten hitting her beam routine around. So if you take half a tenth for the hop and a tenth for the side sumi you get a 9.75. On bars Milos releases have more amplitude and Miller never hit handstands after 93. So 9.75 for Milo, 9.8 for Miller maybe. On floor Miller should have lost a tenth for her last pass mistake and her score should be lower there even hitting. Vault should be a huge difference.
....so basically the floor and vault difference should clearly have been more than the beam and bars. If you say Milo should win if both hit this year than she should win over Miller as it is as both made similar mistakes. Anyway I would have scored:
Vault- Milo 9.8, Dina 9.7, Miller 9.65
Bars- Dina 9.825, Miller 9.8, Milo 9.75
Beam- Miller 9.850, Dina 9.825, Milo 9.75
Floor- Milo 9.85, Dina 9.85, Miller 9.7
So Dina should have probably won over both anyway, but Milo over Miller for sure.
@raichmaneuvers Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I agree with all your Miller scores, except I would keep her 9.85 on bars (they didn't pay much attention to handstands in this code, or Khorkina never would have seen a bar title, amongst numerous others), just think you're being more generous with Milo on bars and beam than you were with Miller.
@dbhmr Khorkina and Kochetkova IMO had better bar routines and they got a 9.825. That is why I put Miller at 9.8. The only handstand Khorkina didnt hit was on her 1.5 pirouttes. Anyway I never said Khorkina deserved all her bars titles either.
@dbhmr also would add even if you drop Milo's beam to a 9.7 and keep Miller's bar at a 9.85 Milo would still beat Miller based on the right vault and floor scores which I posted. Anyway like I said Dina should have won the AA that year anyway. Between Milo and Miller though Milo should have come out ahead though.
Would like to add too Miller's bar set was no different than her 96 one which was only score mid to high 9.7s when she hit in Atlanta. Milo's routines were far weaker by Atlanta.
@raichmaneuvers I disagree about Miller's bar set compared to 1996. Here she had the nice transition from low to high at the start and the 1.5 and down to the low bar is much prettier than the swing back to low bar she had in 1996.
Lastly vault: Haha what a joke here. If Milo's average was a 9.812 than Miller's should have been a 9.7 or lower. There was no comparision here. Yet they got the same score.
So yes on beam Milo was gifted for her routine, but Miller was gifted on every other event and Milo undermarked on floor and maybe vault. Both made mistakes but Milo was the better gymnast this particular year and would have won if both hit so with both making mistakes Milo should have of course won as well.
Funny how the Miller fanatics harp on her not getting a 10 for her 92 AA vault and ignore a blatant gift like she got here which ended up giving her the 94 AA title. That vault in the air was a 9.8 at most, then that huge hop should be another two tenths atleast.
@ants2876 Agreed--she improved greatly on this vault in 1995 and even more so in 1996, but this was a very weak and overscored vault. Scoring was so off throughout this championships, however.
Maybe the judges felt they owed giving her a farcial gift score on vault to end an AA event after denying her a rightful 10 at the 92 Olympics?! I dont know, I cant think of any other explanation for such an inflated score for this mediocre vault with the huge hop.
I agree with you. This vault isnt worth anything more then a 9.6. To give this vault with the form in the air and the huge hop a 9.8 is downright scandulous. A disgrace. I would have been annoyed at her win except for the fact Milo got an equally collasal gift on beam where she had a major balance break and hop on the landing. Kochetkova probably should have won over both if Millers outrageous vault score and Milos outrageous beam score were brought down to earth.
Dina landed with her chest at her knee's and a tenth lower start value and her UB routine had more form breaks then Nastia in 08. She was lucky to medal at all.
Dina also had huge leg separations in her pre flight and her feet came a part during her whole vault but her UB score with all the form problems is what really bothers me. She really had no business being on the medal podium with these routine. Her beam had the same skill 3 times landed differently.
Dina also should have beaten Shannon. Her beam was grossly undermarked and should have been right up with Shanon's score. Her bars was clearly better than Shannon yet got a lower score (9.825 to 9.850). Shannon has good form on bars and good difficulty and composition but was always short of her handstands after 83 and her swing was not as smooth. Dina's perfect 9.9 vaults should not have scored a full tenth lower than Shannon's crappy landings on a 10 vault.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
you guys are so baised!!!!!!!! Dina deffenitly did not deserve to win, she falls out of her front tumbling, and has terrible form, milo had major bobbles on almost ALL her events! And this vaults start value is ten and both her hops were 2 tenths deduction, She had better form in the air then anyone in this entire meet. Milo didn't even come close to any of shannon miller's routines. Miller perfect bars, 1 bobbel on beam, semi good vault, and floor. Milo bad vault, horable bars, hideous floor.
luv4cookie1 2 years ago
Way way overmarked. This vault was worth only a 9.75 at best even if she stuck with the deep pike in the air and not amazing height or distance. Then the huge hop. She should have scored a 9.55. She got a 9.8 for this!?!? Outrageous. If this is a 9.8 the version Lilia did at the Goodwill Games should have been a 10.2. Considering she barely won her AA title was a huge gift this year, a gift based on her undeserved vault score.
quirotmutolafan 2 years ago
I agree, but I still think she deserved to win because if this was a gift, Milo's score on beam was like winning the lottery.
dbhmr 2 years ago
Or perhaps Dina deserved to win. She wasnt really overmarked on any event and she was undermarked on beam and possibly slightly on bars and floor too. Considering Milo was overmarked on beam as you said, Miller was on vault, Miller possibly on floor, then I could easily see Dina winning under correct judging, and maybe even Gina 2nd as zzzz as her routines were.
quirotmutolafan 2 years ago 2
@dbhmr breaking down the scoring Milo should have won over Miller.
Floor- Milo was undermarked. The tumbling was the best in the meet. She only got 9.812, should have been 9.850 atleast. Miller should have been deducted a full tenth for her mistake so deserved a 9.7 at highest and got a 9.75.
Beam- Yeah knock Milo's score down to a 9.737 because of her 2 mistakes.
Bars- 9.775 was ok for Milo because of her 2 small mistakes. 9.850 was too high for Miller though. 9.8 around.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
@raichmaneuvers A 9.737 is still a bit high for Milo's beam set, and your bar assessment is way off. Milo was tight in her swing, had multiple form breaks, and took a huge step on her dismount. Miller totally hit her set and did probably her last good double layout off bars, and stuck it. A .025 difference, which is what your scores say, would have been outrageous.
Going off their performance, I still think Miller beat Milo; had they both performed perfectly, though, Milo should have won.
dbhmr 1 year ago
@dbhmr At the 94 Team World Milo got a 9.9 on beam. That is the score she would have gotten hitting her beam routine around. So if you take half a tenth for the hop and a tenth for the side sumi you get a 9.75. On bars Milos releases have more amplitude and Miller never hit handstands after 93. So 9.75 for Milo, 9.8 for Miller maybe. On floor Miller should have lost a tenth for her last pass mistake and her score should be lower there even hitting. Vault should be a huge difference.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
....so basically the floor and vault difference should clearly have been more than the beam and bars. If you say Milo should win if both hit this year than she should win over Miller as it is as both made similar mistakes. Anyway I would have scored:
Vault- Milo 9.8, Dina 9.7, Miller 9.65
Bars- Dina 9.825, Miller 9.8, Milo 9.75
Beam- Miller 9.850, Dina 9.825, Milo 9.75
Floor- Milo 9.85, Dina 9.85, Miller 9.7
So Dina should have probably won over both anyway, but Milo over Miller for sure.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago 3
@raichmaneuvers Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I agree with all your Miller scores, except I would keep her 9.85 on bars (they didn't pay much attention to handstands in this code, or Khorkina never would have seen a bar title, amongst numerous others), just think you're being more generous with Milo on bars and beam than you were with Miller.
dbhmr 1 year ago
@dbhmr Khorkina and Kochetkova IMO had better bar routines and they got a 9.825. That is why I put Miller at 9.8. The only handstand Khorkina didnt hit was on her 1.5 pirouttes. Anyway I never said Khorkina deserved all her bars titles either.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
@dbhmr also would add even if you drop Milo's beam to a 9.7 and keep Miller's bar at a 9.85 Milo would still beat Miller based on the right vault and floor scores which I posted. Anyway like I said Dina should have won the AA that year anyway. Between Milo and Miller though Milo should have come out ahead though.
Would like to add too Miller's bar set was no different than her 96 one which was only score mid to high 9.7s when she hit in Atlanta. Milo's routines were far weaker by Atlanta.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
@raichmaneuvers I disagree about Miller's bar set compared to 1996. Here she had the nice transition from low to high at the start and the 1.5 and down to the low bar is much prettier than the swing back to low bar she had in 1996.
rfillangi 6 months ago
Lastly vault: Haha what a joke here. If Milo's average was a 9.812 than Miller's should have been a 9.7 or lower. There was no comparision here. Yet they got the same score.
So yes on beam Milo was gifted for her routine, but Miller was gifted on every other event and Milo undermarked on floor and maybe vault. Both made mistakes but Milo was the better gymnast this particular year and would have won if both hit so with both making mistakes Milo should have of course won as well.
raichmaneuvers 1 year ago
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This was way undermarked, she deserved atleast 9.950 for it.
millerowns 3 years ago
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This was way undermarked. She deserved a 9.950 for it!
millerowns 3 years ago
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This was way undermarked. She deserved a 9.950 for it!
millerowns 3 years ago
Funny how the Miller fanatics harp on her not getting a 10 for her 92 AA vault and ignore a blatant gift like she got here which ended up giving her the 94 AA title. That vault in the air was a 9.8 at most, then that huge hop should be another two tenths atleast.
ants2876 3 years ago 5
@ants2876 Agreed--she improved greatly on this vault in 1995 and even more so in 1996, but this was a very weak and overscored vault. Scoring was so off throughout this championships, however.
dbhmr 1 year ago
Maybe the judges felt they owed giving her a farcial gift score on vault to end an AA event after denying her a rightful 10 at the 92 Olympics?! I dont know, I cant think of any other explanation for such an inflated score for this mediocre vault with the huge hop.
raichmaneuvers 3 years ago 6
The jugdes probably knew what score she needed to win and held her up alot on purpose.
kristirulesice 3 years ago 15
This vault getting a 9.8 was a joke. With a badly piked body in the air and a huge hop on the landing she should get nothing higher then a 9.6.
kerstenfanatic 3 years ago 17
I agree with you. This vault isnt worth anything more then a 9.6. To give this vault with the form in the air and the huge hop a 9.8 is downright scandulous. A disgrace. I would have been annoyed at her win except for the fact Milo got an equally collasal gift on beam where she had a major balance break and hop on the landing. Kochetkova probably should have won over both if Millers outrageous vault score and Milos outrageous beam score were brought down to earth.
russianskatingfan 3 years ago 13
Yeah a 9.6 sounds about right.
kerstenfanatic 3 years ago 17
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Dina landed with her chest at her knee's and a tenth lower start value and her UB routine had more form breaks then Nastia in 08. She was lucky to medal at all.
What do you stalk Miller videos.lol
FireDannyAinge 3 years ago
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Dina also had huge leg separations in her pre flight and her feet came a part during her whole vault but her UB score with all the form problems is what really bothers me. She really had no business being on the medal podium with these routine. Her beam had the same skill 3 times landed differently.
gymfan82 3 years ago
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Oh and stop thumbs upping your own comments under 20 names you loser.
FireDannyAinge 3 years ago