With the Marines in Korea & Chosin Reservoir To Hungnam

[SMGJohn]

Japan should never attacked evildoer America.... They should rather have focused on Soviet Union and China. That way Korea would never be in the hands of Americans

[sewallm60]

@SMGJohn  korea is not in our hands you fucking idiot read history

[SMGJohn]

@sewallm60 It isn't now and I meant during the 50s you imbecile. Go grow braincell and eyeballs

[lovecat99]

Disjointed, incomplete.

[McMuffin103]

@steve200003 China got raped during that war. Plus, what other wars have they fought that they acctually fought someone who could stand up to them?

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Japan, Soviet Union, India, US, etc... the list goes on and on.

[McMuffin103]

@Noobssuckass300 I meant after Korea.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin10 Same goes for every other country. With the introduction of nuclear weapons, there hasn't been any large scale wars between industrialized nations.

[fludblud]

@McMuffin103 how did china get raped? they went in, kicked the US out of north korea and kept it that way, sounds like a victory to me.

im not hatin but no matter how you put it, the very fact that little kim still sits on his throne in pyongyang today is testament that the korean war was by and large, a military disaster for the US.

and lets not forget that china didnt even want the north to invade the south in the first place, the troops that fought in korea were supposed to take taiwan.

[McMuffin103]

@fludblud They lost almost 3x more men than our side did. Their men had little to no training and they were using shitty Russian tanks. One American soldier routed I think it was an entire Chinese battalion, all by himself. The 1st Marines fought through thousands of Chinese troops to get back to our lines. They barely had supplies to do so. Notice how kim doesnt try anything major against the south? He shoots at the border ever few years to make it seem like hes still ready to fight.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Many people conviently forget that the PVA had no air support, no tank support, no naval support, no heavy infantry equipment, and primitive logistics systems.

[McMuffin103]

@Noobssuckass300 The pla had plenty of tanks, they had mortars and artillery as well as plenty of machine guns, and had plenty of ammunition to go around so they must have had good enough supply lines. Many people conveniently forget that china had, and still does have, a shitty army, not an ill equipped one.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 The PLA did NOT have tanks. That was the North Korean Army. ALSO, THE PLA DID NOT FIGHT, IT WAS THE PVA. The PVA was a "volunteer group" station in Manchuria who under Stalin and Mao's orders fought in Korea. Actually do some research and you'll find that the only heavy weaponry they have were mortars. They were ill equipped due to fighting wars for nearly 40 years.IT WAS THE KMT AND NOT THE CCP that were armed by Americans. The Soviets were too poor themselves to arm the Chinese

[McMuffin103]

@Noobssuckass300 The chinese were supplied with T-34s and other Russian tanks when the communists signed the treaty with the USSR. They recieved old fucking tanks, guns, some artillery, and other shit the USSR could cough up. We wiped out the Korean tanks. The PLA thing was a mistake so stfu, and who the fuck said anything about the CCP? The Chinese were well enough equiped to take on who they did then, even without the stuff they had. MacArthur didn't prepare the troops for china's involvement.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Omfg...do you even research your bullshit. As I have said before, the PLA DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE BATTLE. ARE YOU STUPID OR TROLLING? Mao Zedong wanted a limited war with the US, so he ordered the PVA to be formed to be sent to Korea. The PVA did not have the luxury of having tanks or other heavy equipment. Why do you think they casualty rate for the PVA was so high, but no casualties for armor/air? Because the PVA DID NOT HAVE ANY. The Chinese paid for the tanks, but they did

[McMuffin103]

@Noobssuckass300 You obviously cant read, I said the PLA thing that I said was a mistake, fucking retard. The Chinese did have fucking armor and air casualties. The reason they had no tanks toward the end of the police action is because they lost them all from enemy fire. I said the chinese had the equipment not the technology, and they tried to break UN lines at the 38th parallel and got fucked. The war never ended, there was only the armistice, no peace treaty.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Actually there was a armistice. The KMT, DPRK, and the ROK never signed it, but the Chinese and Americans did. Also, they did not have armor and air. I don't know how to drill this in your fucking skull. ACTUALLY RESEARCH YOUR FACTS.

[McMuffin103]

@Noobssuckass300 Again read! I said there was no treaty not that there was no armistice! The war is still going on between the Koreas; never did I say whether or not it was between US and china. I know Marines who faught at the Chosin Reservior, who tell me of chinese tanks being bombed, and how they had artillery, some of which was captured from the collapsing UN lines. I have also read books on the war but NOTHING is more informative than hearing it from someone who was there.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Let me ask, how old are you? Also, those marines who told you that the Chinese had tanks and artillery are mistaken. I know that Chinese and Koreans all look alike, but the North Koreans were the ones with the tanks. It's not up for debate. The US, the Russians, the Koreans, the Chinese are all in consensus with this fact. Those marines mistook the North Koreans for the Chinese. The Chinese fought separately from the North Koreans because the North Koreans' forces were depleted.

[McMuffin103]

@Noobssuckass300 They said there were big red stars like the ones the chinese had on their tanks, not matching the markings the north koreans had on their tanks. I don''t give a shit whether or not you take someones word for something, but I sure as hell believe a Marine Colonel over some guy who thinks he knows everything. I don't even know what point you have been trying to get across. Go cry to your mom or sit there in her basement eating cheetos.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Lol. I bet you are either a nine year old boy or a dumb tea partier. Research the Korean War. The North Koreans used the big red star markings as well as the Soviets and Chinese. Its a Communist symbol. Look it up. I don't believe I know everything. I just use facts to make my arguments. And you can't use your fictitious "Marine Colonel" as a source. I could say my friend personally knows General MacArthur and that the Americans had a half a million soldiers stationed in Korea.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 The artillery captured belonged to the North Koreans. The Chinese did not have the logistics to bring the artillery over the mountains along the border and Yalu River. Remember, the US had air superiority the entire time. The flatlands along the river would have given the USAF easy bombing and strafing targets.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Also, there WAS a treaty, it was never signed by the KMT and the Koreans. The armistice was signed by everybody.

[McMuffin103]

@Noobssuckass300 Thats what I was saying, the Koreans never signed a treaty, the war isn't over.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 not participate in battle. They were sent to the Fujian province to safeguard China from a possible Taiwan/US amphibious invasion. If the Chinese were technologically on par, don't you think the Chinese would have simply overran the peninsula due to sheer manpower? Furthermore, the Chinese did not intend for the war to last more than a few months.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 Mao Zedong initially wanted to just create a North Korean buffer zone. However, he got cocky and the fourth and fifth Chinese offensives were failures. Eventually a stalemate occurred and an armistice was signed, ending the war.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 without making them pay. I guess some people just can't give credit where credit is due.

[Noobssuckass300]

@McMuffin103 I don't know whether you're a troll or simply ignorant.

[fludblud]

@McMuffin103 still doesnt change the fact that the US was routed on a conventional battlefield by a technologically inferior force and the PLA held off the US from taking back north korea for the rest of the war. macarthur was even demanding that nukes be used because he could not defeat the chinese in battle.

since WW2 the PLA has been the only army to have driven back an entire US corps in battle, you and many other americans would do well to remember that fact, especially today.

[McMuffin103]

@fludblud Our side was vastly outnumbered, supply lines were stretched and usually units were cut off, and just becausethey were technologically inferior doesn't mean they can't overpower a much smaller force. Americans don't need to remember shit when it comes to china. They are 2 generations behind us in technology. Not to mention The US has a globalized navy, while china's only operates locally. Our navy ships can rip theirs to shreds. Our army today is much better than 65 years ago.

[dmillsify]

God bless the Marines that fought at Chosin. May our children never know the horror of that frozen battle. Semper Fi!!!! William Flinchum from W Virginia!!!!

[jinshiksung]

Chosin Reservoir is on North Carolina

[koffiekpatcha]

Long live the Great Leaders Kim Jong Il and Nancy Pelosi and thr great people who follow them.

[4567894321]

all i can say to the men and women who served

in Korea, GOD BLESS THEM. We have given our

blood to foreign countries .Krushev spoke the

truth,Our grandkids will be communist.".I was a

young women when the korean war broke out.

Nothing much was said about it, and that is sad.(my puter is crazy)Ever since then, we

have war, after war, and noone winning.Iraq

gave us some confidence,but,it was a false

one.Now we are engaged in Afgan, which we

are not winning.May god deliver them home

[kikijang]

You are a hero in South Korea

I will not forget.

Thank you.

[Traumarituel]

I am trying to do a lot of research on this war. I just recently found out my father was a veteran of this war, strange he never told me about it. I found a movie called Retreat Hell with Frank Lovejoy. So I ordered it for my dad as a suprise. Sadly he passed away the day before the movie arrived. I found his Dogtags and I havent taken them off since last week. Semper Fi dad.

[archangel385]

In this battle the americans had 30000 troops while the chinese had 150000 troops! The american cassualties where 2,500 killed,

192 missing,

5,000 wounded,

7,500 frostbite casualties!

Chinese cassualties where 19,202 by fighting, 28,954 by hunger and frostbite (Chinese sources)/35,000 (US estimation)

[FrankieJ111688]

the beginning to 0:19 the winters were FREEZING; my dad says that winters winter in korea are BAD LIKE 30 BELOW ZERO.

[FrankieJ111688]

taking a hill position can be heartbreaking and costly business; how can you tell?

[scorzeny45]

ungrateful south koreans,do your own fighting when the north invades again. South korean students always protesting us troops.jerks.

[kikijang]

I is Korean.

We will remember them.

They are our heroes.

[TheMrbasehit]

@scorzeny45 Those korean never did anything to you and all you do is talk trash to them??? UN forces basically volunnteered and the ROK was very satisfied. How are the students protesting against US troops??? If they do then thats has nothing to do with you and understand, they are different people in the world, Jerks, punks, nice , helpful, mean people. Its not like we (USA) dont hate on other countries.

[Dogmeat1950]

@scorzeny45 STFU you fucking retard! and the other 10 people that gave this loser a thumbs up. the South Koreans are very grateful for the USA and their support in return South Korea has sent troops to help in many U.S Conflicts, such as Vietnam.

People this is a fine example of a dummy who doesn't read history.

[TheFlyingDutchman34]

@scorzeny45 Now now. Though those South Koreans might be ungrateful, we got an excuse to waste commies.

[ghui6]

@TheFlyingDutchman34 most likely they protest against the US fighting wars in the middle east for oil. atleast the americans had a reason in korea

[woo1693]

@scorzeny45 You are fucking retarded. Ungrateful? Did you know only a small percentage does that? Same goes to hippies during Vietnam. Instead of thanking to troops to stop the spreading communism across the world, they protest to pull their soldiers out of a less fortunate country. Research shit before you write kid. I am South Korean and I was proud to serve along side with US soldiers.

[steve200003]

@woo1693 you are a fucking south korea!!

[woo1693]

@steve200003 Yup and you are a dumbass who need to go to his grade 1 English class. Learn how to use proper little girl.

[snowflakeFactory]

@woo1693 Amen, sir. My father served in Korea (I'm American, btw) and was KIA at the Chosin Reservoir.

[woo1693]

@snowflakeFactory May god be with your father. I hope he rests in peace. My uncle and I served with American troops. They are very nice people. My uncle served in Vietnam though as a marine. He was KIA as well.

[snowflakeFactory]

@woo1693 May peace be with you and your father, brother.

[CanadiansKicksAss123]

@scorzeny45 guess what N.korea attackted sout korea wow

[rentacop31]

I'm working out in the cold tonight, just gotta watch a few of these clips and realize I'm not gonna have it so bad. That shit would've sucked

[ssppkkuu]

THE TURKISH BRIGADE: 741 KILLED, 2068 WOUNDED, 163 MISSING, 244 captured by Chinese. The funnist thing is that Turks are so proud of their experience in Korea that they exhibate a Chinese flag which is said to be captured in the korean war. But, the flag is not a real flag of Red China(PRC), in fact, it is a flag of Taiwan(ROC). Somebody tell them to take it away from the museum?

[ssppkkuu]

Americans proved they were the best in the battle with Chinese. In the case of British, The 41 Royal Marines Battalion commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Douglas B. Drysdale were destroyed and Drysdale was killed.

[andrelebaron]

drysdale wasn't killed and his column made it through to hagaru,

[nicck]

You got thumbed down, wonder why? Because you're an ignorant asshole.

[ssppkkuu]

At least 949 Americans were missing in this battle, according to official records, not killed, not captured by Chinese, just missing. we all know,Missing in Chosin means death.A Chinese trooper later said that he would have died if he did not see anybody in next several hours. At that time, he hoped to be found by anybody, no matter Chinese or American.

[ssppkkuu]

KIA:

Col. Allan D. MacLean, Commanded all US Army troops East of the Reservoir.,

Lt Col. Don Faith, commander of RCT 31.,

Lt Col. John Page, commander of X Corps Artillery.,

Captain George R. Cody , HMC 31 Inf.,

Lt.Robert G. Schmitt, M/31,

[ssppkkuu]

Major General Oliver Smith and Chinese General Song Shi-lun were each viewed as hero by their nations. It is worthy to point out, the Ninth Group Army under General Song came from Southern China and had been used to "Liberate" Taiwan. The Chosin Battle, in some sense, saved Taiwan's ass.

[ssppkkuu]

obviously both sides hides the real number of death. The 31st RCT was destroyed and lost their flag which was captured by CHinese and even now you can see it in Beijing Military Museum, but we believe hundreds of soldiers of it fled back seperately.

[ssppkkuu]

After the battle both the 1th Marine and the Chinese 9th Group Army were called back by their high commands and were never again deployed in the front line throughout the rest of the Korean War.

[ssppkkuu]

In total around 11,000-12,000 Chinese lost their lives in this battle (Chinese recruited around 30,000 new troopers for the Ninth Group Army after the battle, considering there were more than 18,000 chinese troopers wounded and lost capability of fighting, the death is around 11,000-12,000)while Americans lost the 31RCT and many men of 1th Marine Division.

[ssppkkuu]

it was the 9th Group Army commanded by Chinese General Song Shi-lun. The 9th Group Army included the 27th Army and 29th Army, in total six infantry divsions. However, a Chinese division was much smaller than an American One. General Song in total had 60,000 troopers compared to Amerian's 30,000 including Marine 1th Division, the 31th RCT from the 7th Division commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Faith, who was killed in attempts to break through along with most of his men.

[ivpump]

They all were someone's loved ones. Their bravery should never be forgotten. After all, freedom is not free. We often take freedom for granted and don't appreciate it.

[mrbronze013]

The retreating jarheads mauled the numerical superior Chinese forces so bad in the battle that the advancing Chinese forces had to withdraw from the fight.

I bet the Chinese will never forget the tenacity of the US marines.

Semper Fi!

[panzerwaffen43]

This campaign was 'poetic justice' for the Marines it demonstrated to the top Army & Air Force brass what we are made; right after WWII the Army & the USAF wanted to do away with the 'Corps stating that nuclear weapons had made amphbious operations obsolete. Korea was the war that proved once and for all that Marines are the best infantry within the US Military. The proof in the pudding! No Marines are allowed to stationed on the pennisula.

Semper Fi,

Felix 1/6 HARD!

[DonMeaker]

The US Army, 7th Division, 31st Regimental Combat Team won a Navy Presidential Unit Citation. They stopped a flank attack by 2 chinese divisions in 4 days, then acted as the rear guard for the Marines.

[mothball50]

I did a school report about Koto Ri. The Marines had awarded an Army reservist the Navy Cross posthumously. He was Col. John Page who led a counterstrike of mostly Marines against Chinese soldiers in pursuit of American troops during the Chosin retreat. Chesty Puller assigned Page that task over his own Marine officers. Page was later killed in action, also while also providing protection for the rear at Chosin.

[ki43hayabusa]

31st RCT was totally destroyed.

it was

[DonMeaker]

Actually, they were not totally destroyed. Rather, they acted as rear guard. They had more tanks left (rear guard needs to perform frequent sharp counterattacks) than the Marines.

The Chinese paid.

[Xterraman]

RCT commanderMcLean and successor Feith were both killed. 3 inf btn plus a arty btn ceased to exist.

chinese side, 27th corps total KIA, 2750, plus many more frost-bite casualties.

Amelikanese lost becoz of superior tactics on PLA side.

[BigSlingBlade]

Don Carlos Faith was posthumously awarded the congressional Medal of Honor for his actions. On a side note, he was Mathew Ridgeway's aid in the 82nd Airborne in WWII.

[Dogmeatmgc]

damn it they had CHESTY PULLER! they were attacking in another directon lol. N.Korea an Chinese Armys couldn't stop the Marines. lol. Semper FI!

[JDJC1106]

Great Chinese??

Do you know how many Chinese red Army died or How they died?

You cannot make "Fake" history..You only learn "Fake"history.

[DanFlan92]

after this battle those marines that did not die named themselves the "Chosin Few" because Chosin is pronounced "chosen"

[rockavenger]

My studies have mostly been focused on X Corps and such. It sounds like good read though, I'll have to pick it up.

[kobe00712]

great pla bit them to death

great chinsee never give up

it is fake

[gerry301]

The video is correct. While outnumbered many times over by the chinese army, the American marines performed an orderly, fighting retreat to wonson harbor where the large majority were evacuated to south korea . They were then able to fight again. I'm sure the perspectives of what happened are different in each of our countries.

[rockavenger]

But also forget, that while in the US we have media bias, they have complete media censorship. They are force fed government propaganda.

The Chinese burnt wounded POW's alive, and let their own wounded freeze to death. Life is cheap in China, and still is. For being a communist country they only really care about profit, and don't care who they have to exploit to make money.

[gerry301]

I read a book you might enjoy. Its called east of Chosen. A factual documentary of what happened to the US army on the opposite side of the resevoir. A little difficult to read if you don't understand much about the military. Gives you a very good picture of what it was like.

[gerry301]

Even with the censorship, I have found Nationalism to be the biggest distorter of the truth. Every victory is a triumph and every defeat is a victory. If you read vietnamese history now you will find the large majority of battles that the North Vietnames lost badly are recorded as victories in one way or another, leading its readers to think we got our butts kicked all the way. I'm sure its the same in China and North Korea.

[Congo4life]

the hell u talking about U.S. POWs were treated better first class , ask any U.S. POWs hell they were fed with better food than the regular chinese soldiers. So you telling me China is also profit hungry than America lol ur the one whos being brainwashed by those large corporations in America.

[tobeornot00]

I checked your profile,you are a youth just as me,but your words seems like from an old man who lives in cold war time.Our lives are cheap,who told you that?As for profit,does your country really care who it's exploiting while making money?

[BigSlingBlade]

Initial tactics used by the CCF were successfull, i.e.: frontal attack while also secretly flanking and then setting up roadblocks on the US Army's line of retreat. When the USA Army wanted to retreat, their way was blocked and chaos ensued. In time, the US Army learned to neutralize those tactics and inflict great casualties on the Chinese.