A steep increase in Autism prevalence was noted in the United States starting in the late 70s and in the United Kingdom after 1988 following the extensive use of the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella) vaccine in both countries. The vaccine authorities in both countries are convinced that there is no connection between MMR vaccination and autism. Read the drug manufacturers info inserts ...educate yourself prior to vaccine shots
worldwide studies where the majority of the so called independent researchers were paid for by company making the vaccine or pharmaceutical drug. Read "A Drug Story" by Morris Bealle. Most dont know they are part of the conspiracy because we have been taught since we were children that doctors make you better. In most cases they make you worse. Measels itself is known to cause autism. I trust independent resources not establishment insider bias studies. What is your take on Aspartame?
@poyner1134 Let's take one topic at a time. You still have not produced any evidence supporting your claim that measles, mumps, and rubella were declining prior to the MMR vaccine.
Your Fox-News-esque attempt at scaring people into believing your unfounded opinions is shameful. The cavalier attitude with which you regurgitate repeatedly disproven claims, completely understate MMR's efficacy, and present personal beliefs as fact is dishonest, dangerous, and deleterious.
Isn't it telling that only a single doctor agrees with you? And that he is corrupt? (Google 'Dr. Mayer Eisenstein')
@MBHockey What about Russell Blaylock? MMR is terrible. did you know its a proven fact that all of these viruses were already decreasing rapidly BEFORE we started vaccinating against them?
Where is your evidence that MMR diseases were declining before the vaccine?
Russell Blaylock -- his entire research experience consists of two case reports that had nothing to do with vaccines (look him up on Wikipedia since I can't post the link here). That's less research experience than the average medical student. Why would you choose to listen to him about vaccines, when he hasn't done any research in that area?
@MBHockey I will get you the source. It is your call on who you trust and what you chose to make sense of. When it comes to the medical field I believe the pharmaceutical industry has been deeply flawed since the Rockefellers took over the AMA back in the mid 1900's.
This is where we differ. This is not my opinion. It's not "my call". It's fourteen worldwide studies (comprising hundreds of thousands of children). Researchers specifically looked at autism rates in both MMR-vaccinated and MMR-unvaccinated groups and found that both groups had the same rates of autism.
To discount the results of such large scale, reproduced, and peer-reviewed studies demonstrates a tremendous lack of scientific literacy or the belief in a worldwide conspiracy.
@MBHockey Just watch on here "Russell Blaylock Compulsory vaccinations". After watching I am sure you will understand the vast research he has done on these issues. His knowledge extends further than I could ever imagine.
@poyner1134 Are you saying that I have to watch a 40 minute video to find evidence (not opinion) that MMR diseases were declining prior to the MMR vaccine?
Surely it would be easier for you to just provide a direct literature source. You said yourself it's a "proven fact" that these diseases were already declining prior to the vaccine, so shouldn't evidence supporting that statement be ubiquitous and therefore easy to produce?
@poyner1134 I have not watched it. Which part of our conversation does it pertain to?
Please realize that you still have not produced a source backing up your claim that MMR diseases were declining prior to the MMR vaccine. Let's wrap up that part of our discussion before moving on to the next.
Please note: I am completely unsurprised by your repeated inability to back up the ridiculous claim you made that MMR diseases were rapidly declining prior to the MMR vaccine.
That statement, much like the myriad unsubstantiated claims of the scientifically illiterate, are simply detrimental to children. Take a science class. Read the research. Get a legitimate education and stop perpetuating this nonsense already.
It is an unfortunate fact of our physiology that anything which can cure/prevent a problem can also cause one (that's why all real medicine has possible side effects), but your list of the possible side effects of the vaccine completely ignores the fact that those side effects are hundreds and even thousands of times less likely to occur than the debilitating effects of the diseases it guards against. Also, not all of those side effects you listed are actual side effects of the vaccine.
How about a link to a peer reviewed paper showing the link between the two. And a valid peer reviewed paper. Wakefields paper isn't. No blogs, no opinions, no news story. A peer reviewed paper showing a link.
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i iz thinking that peoples r forgetting wat Autism iz- it to me iz a replacement word for Retarded, thatz wat they uzed in 1980'z! If vaccines make children retarded then thatz wat they classify az Autism today, they replaced the wordz, vaccines do make retarded, i waz working az Third Class Petty Officer in US Navy an suffered a severe adverse reaction to the Anthrax Vaccine which haz placed me on disability with the mental of an 8 yr old boy now - therez ur proof, i went 2 yrs Navy befor vax!!
the mmr vaccine is completly safe, dr Andrew Wakefield paid by a lawyer to find a connection between the mmr vaccine and autism, and the study was botched.
UPDATE 10/17/10 – NORTH CAROLINA UNIVERSITY STUDY VINDICATES DR. ANDREW WAKEFIELD’S RESEARCH: ‘Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain, none are wild measles. ‘This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, ther...e is evidence of measles virus. What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is CORRECT.
@bengalslash: do u really think I care what people like u think? :D. Guess what? I DO NOT CARE!!! And thanks to that my son is DOING AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Thanks Biomedical Protocol. :D
U guys can get all the vaxx in the whole world and be happy. I DO NOT and be very happy ;)
@Miaulagata biomedical? what quack treatment did you give to your son, chelation, gluten-casein free, lupron, homeopathic, rna drops? It's called developmental DELAY for a reason, because that's what it is, DELAY. Where is your PROOF that vaccines are not effective, and that they are a "toxic cocktail"?
So, now that Wakefield's study has been publicly, and rather brutally, shot down and retracted, are you still happy to stake your claims on it's veracity?
Why is it that the overwhelming majority of doctors and health professionals support and recommend vaccination and the people talking about its dangers are only conspiracy theorists sitting behind a keyboard on the internet....?
There have been investigtions, and nothing has been able to link autism to MMR shots with any scientific validity. The original study was botched and Wakefield himself was unable to replicate his results. He was paid by a lawyer to find a connection. The MMR shot is given right when autism starts to show symptoms. Tragic, but NOT a cause and effect scenario.
Wakefield's studies were replicated by independent scientists. Here is a recent article on one such study: dailymail [dot] co [dot] uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism [dot] h t m l In addition, for people who are interested in hearing Dr. Wakefield's side of the story: thinktwice [dot] com/wakefield [dot] h t m
@papercandles The link works. Begin with 3 w's. You have to replace [dot] with an actual period. You also have to remove the space between the h, t, and m.
This was clearly made for the uneducated and seems to reveal many disturbing facts about vaccines in general. Any medical professional can see the half truths and bias here. This is the same old story of quoting papers that have now been thoroughly discredited.
By this video's logic: Since children who get more viruses within the first year have a decreased risk for leukemia (which is a fact), lets get our kids sick.
Of course this is NOT what we want to do. Take this with a grain of salt.
Man disabled by MMR vaccine awarded £90,000 after 13-year fight
A man who suffered severe brain damage after being given the MMR vaccine as a baby has been awarded £90,000 in a landmark ruling expected to pave the way for thousands of similar compensation claims.
Read more at:w w w . telegraph . co .uk/health/healthnews/7970315/Man-disabled-by-MMR-vaccine-awarded-90000-after-13-year-fight.html
Wakfield is a fraud and all his reasearch was confermed as such. that being said plz refence what studies and evidence "clearly confirm an MMR autism link" because i have never seen any thing that can sugjest one out side of Wakefield Studies witch had a sample size of 12
@Rundvelt Excuse me, but where are the studies that show the MMR is safe along with all the other mandatory vaccines combined? There is none! Vaccine studies only show the one vaccine( and side effecs) Now add MMR with the DTaP,HIB,IPV,HEP B and Varicella ect...Put them all together and you have UNKNOWN side effects and 100's of chronically ill children! But don't forget to add the extra doses which are constantly being added! Now show the study with different manufacturers as they differ too?
@Rundvelt SHOW ME THAT EVIDENCE! When Pharma submits studies, it's on that one vaccine, not mixed with multiple vaccines or with different Pharma companies!
@ThinkTwiceGlobal Here's a specific complaint, you show no facts to support your claims. In fact, I challenge you directly to produce a study that hasn't been proven to be wrong that supports your position.
@ThinkTwiceGlobal Oh, the one where it shows that getting the shot can result in adverse effects for the one in 1.6 million if I recall? Yeah, how about a negative that has a reasonable risk.
@ThinkTwiceGlobal It was an attempt to get you to read the paper itself. Although, we all know that won't happen. Perhaps we can change the tone here. Why do you think it is that a large majority of doctors see the MMR vaccine as a good thing for a person's child?
@ThinkTwiceGlobal Now, here's the million dollar question. What does it say and how does it support your position? The billion dollar question is why don't you present these papers in your videos?
@Rundvelt There are numerous peer-reviewed studies documenting MMR dangers, including neurological and immunological damage. The video is offered as a summary of the problems with MMR. It is a starting point for interested parties to begin their research. If you are unhappy with the contents of the video, you are free to produce your own. For others who may be interested in further research, Wakefield posted his video rebuttal at thinktwice [dot] com / wakefield [dot] h t m
@ThinkTwiceGlobal "There are numerous peer-reviewed studies documenting MMR dangers" Links, please. All I can find on Google are things liek the Lancet's apologizing for printing the fraudulent (not merely flawed, but falsified) study that accused vaccines of causing autism, so I guess the great Provax conspiracy has gotten to them.
Quoting from the Simpson Conference: "Therefore the purpose of this meeting is to have a careful scientific review of the data." (p2)(not to hatch up cover-up plots). Verstraeten mentions main limitations of his study (p48). Verstraeten:"In conclusion the screening analysis suggests a possible association between certain neurologic developmental disorders." (not a definite association). (p50) In summing up Dr Stehr-Green: "current results were weak for a variety of reasons". (p252)
@qwistrod Dr.Stehr-Green: group was "unanimous in saying that additional research is needed." (not a cover-up operation). (p252) "weak findings should be followed up" (not covered up) p252 "there
was a finding of association. Perhaps weak, but there was a
finding of association that needed to be pursued" (not covered up) p254
@qwistrod Here is a direct quote by Dr. Verstraeten, the lead researcher of the study (p.40 in the transcripts): We have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure (to mercury in vaccines) and outcomes. For two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays." (continued...)
(continued) Dr. Verstraeten: "Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders." Which part of "statistically significant relationships" are you attempting to deny? In addition, Dr. Bill Weil, with the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), told the group, "You can play with this all you want, but the results are statistically significant." (continued...)
(continued) Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician at the conference, exclaimed, "I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine..." According to Dr. Robert Brent, another pediatrician: "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits." Dr. John Clements, World Health Organization (WHO) vaccine advisor, was more blunt, declaring that "the research results have to be handled."
For anyone wanting to read a summary of the coverup, I recommend Vaccine Safety Manual: (w w w . vacbook . c o m). The transcripts can be found at: (w w w . thinktwice . c o m).
@qwistrod There is a cover-up. there was a study done on the Amish who don't vaccinate. Statistically they should have had over 130 cases of autism, they had none and it is because they don't vaccinate. I don't believe any study done by a group who has too much to lose. Either, money or credibility. The Pharma companies and the CDC has both to lose for giving our children this poison.
@justsayno2islam Tell me the name of this "study". Come on, just tell me the name. You seem to be familiar with it up to the point that you have memorized figures from it.
What is the title? Who wrote it? What journal was it published in?
Regarding the Simpsonwood conference I gather from the transcript of the meeting that the association between thimerosal and neurological disorders was considered weak, not strong enough to support a causal relationship but enough grounds for further research. The studies I already mentioned were done after this conference and did not confirm the link. There was no mention of a coverup. The data they had was scheduled to be released on 21/22 June. I will look into the claims re Eisenstein.
@qwistrod The link between mercury in vaccines and autism/neurological disorders was SIGNIFICANT, a scientific term meaning STRONG, not weak; hence the secrecy and seriousness of the meeting. Verstraeten oversaw the study and was astounded by the associations. A plan was hatched to rework the original study -- hence the Verstraeten Pediatrics "study" in 2003 -- and produce more studies to assuage parental concerns. The coverup has continued to this day.
As for studies failing to find a thimerosal-neurological link I found: Frankish in the Lancet 2001, Clements and McIntyre, Expert Opinion on Drug Safety 2006, Parker et al, Paediatrics 2004, Institute of Medicine: Immunization Safety Review:Vaccines and Autism 2004, Madsen et al, Pediatrics, 2003, Verstraeten et al , Pediatrics, 2003
@qwistrod The number of studies not supporting a link is insignificant if they are all bogus. Read about the secret Simpsonwood conference held in June 2000 by the CDC, FDA, WHO, and heads of vaccine manufacturers. They met to discuss irrefutable proof of a link between mercury in vaccines and autism but decided to initiate a coverup. Also, Dr. Eisenstein has a large population of unvaccinated people with NO cases of autism. His new book is now available: w w w . vacbook . com
Focusing on the alleged link between thimerosal and neurological disorders: There are studies by Mark and David Geier supporting link but in one study they declared a conflict of interest and apparently Dr Mark Geier's expertise has been questioned. He is a geneticist and obstetrician and does not have expertise in neurological disorders. Those are the positive studies I could find.
Seems that scientific studies can confirm anything you want. I have heard that there are a number of studies disconfirming the link between MMR vaccine and autism all carried out on large samples of study subjects. The Wakefield study was carried out on a small sample. Since people have stopped taking the vaccine measles has spread. And Wakefield has since been discredited.
The BIG LIE being perpetuated is the lie that in order for your immune system to protect you from any virus or bacteria it must be previously exposed to the viri or bacterium. If this were true there would be nobody alive on earth to believe it.
I think this is a very informative video. I'm going to go eat a sandwich now and watch it again and sit back happily knowing that I was never vaccinated with MMR.
You know what's dangerous? Drops in vaccination due to superstitious fucktards like this spreading misinformation. Next time you feel compelled to launch another crusade like this, make the world a better place and just go eat a sandwich. Hard.
If your basing the claim that MMR causes autism using Wakefield's study, you must never have examined it. The results that Wakefield claimed to have were fraudulent. Furthermore, vaccine contain weakened strains of viruses that activate the body's defenses, resulting in memory cells that can destroy the virus should it enter the body again. You are effectively claiming that vaccines contain full strength viruses, and they do not. You should take a closer look at Wakefield's study.
I have read the Wakefield study. It was never proved fraudulent. The case has not been resolved. However, this has no bearing on the video because the video is not predicated on the Wakefield study. Regarding vaccines, we are quite aware that live viruses are attenuated (weakened), but this does not mitigate the MMR vaccine's potential to cause devastating adverse reactions and death in recipients of the shot. These are well-documented in the medical literature.
My source is Dr. Paul Offit's book, Autism's False Prophets, which is a recent publication. I have chosen to take Dr. Offit at his word, and for all practical purposes, that is all I have to go on at this point.
A congressional investigation in June 2000 found that Paul Offit had significant conflicts of interest with regard to his role as a vaccine proponent. He is a well-known guardian of vaccine manufacturer interests. As such, his opinions cannot be considered valid, objective, or reliable. Dr. Wakefield's work was never proven to be fraudulent; he continues to help autistic children.
I have heard certain views of various politicians from news sources, and I cannot support them. Conflicts of interest are found on both sides of the argument, but because the public is so desperate for any information on autism, they will take the word of anyone who will point the finger at a cause they can control. The media coverage centers its focus on the claims of cures and causes. Oh, and the book is based on facts, not opinions.
The public is "desperate for information on autism" because the vaccine industry is damaging generations of our precious children, covering up their crimes with bogus studies, and people like you are comfortable supporting their agenda. Regarding Paul Offit, he owns the patent on a lucrative diarrhea vaccine and is a shill for the pharmaceutical industry. His books are not factual. I recommend the Vaccine Safety Manual, available from Amazon, or find out more here: vacbook . com
topdogtomiii Offit is nicknamed For-Profit Offit by autism parents because of his gross conflicts of interest... he is not for our children, but for profit. If you CHOOSE to take someone at their word when its not science based but based on financial gain, then we really cannot take your comments seriously.
there is a reason that measles is once again endemic in the Uk, and the blame is rightly placed at the door of media channels spreading misinformation. You are afforded the luxury to create this nonsense because of the majority of the population who are immunised. You are putting lives at risk, maybe not your own but others, please think about what you are doing.
You have your facts wrong. Parents in the UK wanted the measles vaccine -- just not MMR -- but the UK government took away that option. Thus, if measles cases increased, you must place the blame squarely upon the UK medical industry and government.
UK Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! . What is your view on this? So your saying I am afforded the luxury because of the vaccine? Or because of mostly other things like living conditions and nutrition and natural immunity? Because that actually fits into what we are saying. Is the risk of getting MMR worth it, when there is the tiniest possibility of harm done to susceptible children. Dont overhype vaccines.
illegalbadgerbaiting the solution is simple, REMOVE THE THIMEROSAL AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS! But the vaccine industry is far more concerned with preserving shelf life of their vaccine products than preserving the lives of our children.
Thimerosal is simply a preservative and has nothing to do with the components of the vaccine that saves lives! In fact, thimerosal destroys lives instead.
Yep, the MMR vaccine makers are covering up the truth to protect their profits (around $7 bn (Merck making up $6 bn of it), counting the 4 MMR vaccine manufacturers entire revenue, not just their MMR revenue). But I guess when the evidence that cigarettes caused cancer came out, the cigarette companies did not want to suppress the truth to protect their profits (Only $110-120 bn, not that much, just a little more than 16X that of Merck.).
@exugoareo but the fight against having the vaccinate your kids is much more difficult...no one is shoving cigarettes in their mouths, but everyone wants to stick them with vaccine needles. it's difficult to even enroll kids in school when you don't want to vaccinate them (depending on where you live and the laws and your rights in that state). that's all i'm saying.
Like i said, no one is forcing people to vaccinate their children. If you believe a vaccine will greatly harm your child, and your local wont enroll him without him getting said vaccine, then move.
@exugoareo it's not so easy for everyone to just pick up and move (especially with real estate and employment being what it is today)...it SHOULD be easier for people to keep this poison out of their kids though...
If you believe the vaccine will harm your child, you should see it like this,
difficulty of moving<difficulty of child dying.
But if you are smart, you see it like this,
un-supported claims of that one actress that vaccines cause autism/death<years of scientific research showing no connection between vaccines and autism/death.
I forgot, google "CDC concerns about autism". On the CDC page, click the PDF file named "VSD chart of autism studies", and read. (Can not post the link because youtube filters web address's.)
Reason being; researcher's finding explained beginning in this video at 3:46 , a baby or young child exposed to 3 Viral diseases at the same time is at high risk for Autism and over adverse reactions to this exposure can cause death as well.
@kormyniska i don't think it's just the thimerosal...i think it's the fact that these kids are being exposed to the 3 vaccines all at once rather than one at a time with enough time in between them to "recuperate" from each vaccine. but yeah, the thimerosal is not a good thing to be injecting into anyone either...
They did remove the thimerosal and guess what? No drop! So what do the anti-vaccers do? Move the goal post yet again. Some of you guys are delusionally paranoid and it winds up hurting people.
Authorities didn't "remove" thimerosal. When they took it out of some vaccines, they quietly ADDED mercury-containing flu vaccines to the immunization schedule for infants AND began recommending -- and pushing -- mercury-containing flu vaccines for pregnant women in their 1st trimester. In addition, they increased the aluminum content of childhood vaccines by 20%. This is documented here: thinktwice (dot) com / aluminum (dot) pdf
@Yankhadenough Thiomersal HAS been taken out of modern vaccines. If thiomersal caused autism, you would expect a sharp decline in new cases after it being removed from vaccines. But guess what... the occurrences of autism continued to rise. When you have such a large sample size it is easy to test the effect of substances on the population.
@vaccineshurtbabies So if this is all one big criminal enterprise, what is the benefit to the criminals? Who are the criminals?
Vaccines are usually a one-off shot and pharmaceutical companies hardly make any money out of them when compared to anti-depressants or blood pressure medication that is taken daily for the duration of one's life.
Aluminum and formaldehyde are present in large amounts in the MMR vaccine . So are phenol and in most thimerosal . Go ahead ikath take a thermometer break it open ,mix it with some formaldehyde and some egg protein and inject it into your bloodstream . I'm sure it won't have negative effects . You are clearly an uneducated moron . If you had children , the government would have taken them away by now .
i had to get a 3rd MMR vaccine as a child in elementary school because the doctors screwed up the scheduling of one of the first ones. that same year i developed near sightedness and had to get glasses. I dont know if they relate but maybe they do.
But WHERE is the studies that PROVE giving an immature immune system 5 or even 7 viruses in vaccinations at the same time is safe along with allthe preservatives that goes with each individual vaccine. Aggressive vaccinating is NOT proved safe. Every drug manufactures disclaimer on the inside of the information proves that. MAY cause........ the list is endless. I will not be offering my child or myself up as a Guinea Pig. I will let my body fight what conditions it gets naturally. .
single shots are NOT being permitted by doctors here in the UK why? Whay are we not allowed to choose how much risk we expose our children to. Studies have been made on single vaccine shots, then they are deemed safe for the masses.
how safe is it? as safe as any other drug available, pros and cons. you might as well stop taking tylenol since it also presents the possibility of side effects.
questionable substances?? you peoples simply are afraid of what you dont understand completely.
btw Autism has not been proven to be 100% caused by a vaccine.
for causes of autism look up on google scholars the scientific paper:
MMR is much more dangerous than Tylenol. Many of the people who oppose it do so not because they "don't understand completely" but just the opposite: they grasp the truth behind the lies. The scientific paper that you reference does not offer any new information. It simply reiterates what researchers have long suspected: there may be a genetic predisposition to autism, but "regressive autism" (child initially develops normally) is triggered into manifestation by an environmental factor.
A new study has just been released that suggests a strong positive correlation (.032) between hepatitis B vaccine and the development of Autism. This study suggests boys are three times more likely to develop autism if they have the vaccine at birth. This study will soon be published in a peer reviewed journal. Also in science nothing is ever 'proven'. No scientific paper in any journal will ever use the term proven as you cannot say with 100 percent certainty that you have proven anything.
Here is a little nugget of advice: correlation doesn't imply causation. Even if this were a strong correlation (its not) you still would have some way to prove causation.
I do say strong, if it wasn't strong it wouldn't be statistically significant which .032 is. Anything below .05 is considered statistically significant. That's where I am coming from. I apologise if I didn't make that clear in my initial post. Perhaps you can explain what the point of correlation is & why it is even reported then. In my experience if something is statistically significant then it generally points to there being a connection. What is the point of what you are saying?
A correlation in 2 variables does not imply that one CAUSES the other which is what you are seeking in this case. Statistical correlation on its own should always be regarded with skepticism.
To see the problem simply think of 2 things that have increased over the last 5 years. Now place them on a graph - see how it looks like they are now "linked"...
You have to go much deeper to see if there is an ACTUAL causation involved. This is first day statistics stuff.
then i retort that back at u: correlation doesn't imply causation. So how do we know that vaccines "guarantee" immunity in the first place? look at corpus christi incient 1987 & Sweden's whopping cough outbreak years ago. corpus crist- 99% vaccinated, "95% hav antibodies", yet an outbreak occurs. published new england journal medicine 1987. why? immunization & health is far more complex, intrinsic&holistic then the mere presence of antibodies. health has nothing to do w/ disease but disease wil
Anyone who actually believes vaccinations improve health are living in a dream world. Research the ingredients and have them injected into your bloodstream if you wish but dont demand everyone else follows suit and that is what the poison pushers/supporters/uptakers want.
Excellent video. Vaccines are a Sacred Cow. Skepticism about their safety and efficacy - even as a result of intensive, serious research - is simply not tolerated by most people who have *not* done their own research, but simply rely on what the medical and pharmaceutical industries claim. Even the CDC has estimated that only 10% of vaccine adverse reactions are reported by doctors. Doesn't that raise a red flag to any free thinking person about the skewed "safety" statistics?
In 1976-President Ford had been told by his health advisers that there was going to be a huge epidemic of swine flu, that this could kill may thousands and the only way to prevent this catastrophe was to vaccinate the entire population of America every man woman and child-with a specific vaccine-People were dropping dead in the buildings where they received their shots. Others became paralyzed. The whole program ground to a halt.
Visit: w3times dotwhale dotto see second column - vaccination.
Genuinely, a misinformative video. Fraught with half-truths and deception.
If you're going to make a scientific claim, back it up. Provide references. Is that not the ethics behind informed consent? Should that not be our goal?
This video exploits people's scientific ignorance, and makes extensive use of logical fallacies.
Your informed opinion failed to mention a single half-truth, logical fallacy or deception in the video. You may not like the video but that does not make it untrue. Regarding informed consent, parents may read CDC/FDA propaganda for the official industry position. They may also supplement that with other data, such as this video. That is how they arrive at informed consent. They wont achieve informed consent if people like you succeed at suppressing data that conflicts with official dogma.
Your statement that "ANY well respected doctor" will deny a link between MMR and autism is untrue. There are many "well respected doctors" who speak out against vaccines. In fact, Dr. Wakefield was considered a world-class expert in his field until he found a link between vaccines and autism. This immediately qualified him as a quack. Many other medical doctors continue to speak out against vaccines. For example: Dr. Joseph Mercola, Dr. Russell Blaylock, and Dr. Mayer Eisenstein.
Dr. Eisenstein has been the medical director of the nation's largest home birthing center for 30 years. Most of the thousands of babies he helped birth were NOT vaccinated and NONE of the unvaccinated babies have autism. This is strong evidence implicating vaccines. Dr. Blaylock is a world class brain surgeon. He has published numerous papers describing the frequency and mechanism by which vaccines cause brain damage. In addition, there are many other medical doctors who understand the problems.
To Benno27, in future posts, you might consider actually addressing some of the points made in the video or in earlier posts. That would give you some credibility. Your emotional tirade consisting of lies, curses, and CAPITAL LETTERS SHOWING HOW LOUD YOU CAN TYPE, without a shred of pertinent information, doesn't contribute to an intelligent discussion. It simply reveals the hollowness of your position.
How about you actually REFERENCING the apparent 'studies' you so proudly boast about, yet provide no link, no reference, no specifics. To be accurate, you're just as guilty of the accusations you make. By the way. A little fact you should be aware of. Dr. Wakefield was indited for scientific misconduct. His paper showing the apparent 'MMR/Thimerosol autism link) was retracted for falsification of data. AND that this fraudulent 'work' was funded by litigious lawyers. These are facts.
The studies implicating measles, mumps and rubella vaccines are quite numerous, documenting SSPE (progressive brain disease), encephalitis, GBS (paralysis), blood disorders, sensory impairments, immune suppression, bowel disease, and severe allergic reactions. These have been published in JAMA, Lancet, NEJM, BMJ and other peer-reviewed journals. In addition, the manufacturer lists some of these studies in its product inserts, as does the Physicians Desk Reference.
Many of these studies are posted on the Thinktwice website. If you were really interested, a simple search would locate these studies for you. Regarding your assertion of facts, they are funny things. Dont confuse your facts with truth or proof, especially in a climate of repression.
if i were you i wouldnt waste my time arguing with that person! just hope that when he or his children recieve these vaccinations he does not suffer any negative afflictions!
The fact is that any reason I give which debunks this bullshit, you can always come up with a new piece of bullshit which "proves you right". Example:
Me: ANY well respected doctor will tell you that there is ABSOLUTELY NO link between autism and the MMR vaccine, and studies which show that there is a link haven't been conducted fairly and scientifically.
You: But doctors make money! Hence can't be trusted!
YOU'RE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD!
Oh and I'm just waiting for your reply with yet more BS
@benno27 You are brainwashed by the status quo who don't want you to know the truth. Take the study on the Amish who don't vaccinate. Statistically they should have had over a 130 cases of autism, they had none. You are probably working for the pharma companies and or government or are just completely blind and trying to discredit these finding.
@benno27 It is rather funny. They're no different then creationists who say that the earth is 6000 years old or people who make orgon blasters out of quartz to dissipate clouds. Or dowsers. ROFL.
Thank's for this contribution. My child started developing Autism after MMR, Chickenpox and flu shot given at ONE visit and 3 more vaccinations withing the same month. I am working my butt off to undo the damage.
Sorry, but having had no observable adverse reactions on an earlier shot is not a guarantee of safety on subsequent shots. We have received many reports of serious reactions from boosters (secondary vaccines in a recommended series), and these are well documented in the FDA database of vaccine reactions.
If you've already had a vaccine when you were much younger and you didn't react, does this mean you have a smaller chance of reacting to it the second time? I'm having one tomorrow.
Again, you are fixated on Wakefield. MMR has been causing problems long before he published his 1998 study. And autism was a problem with DPT before MMR. If you and the medical industry are truly concerned about stopping measles epidemics, why prohibit the single injection when parents reject the triple shot? 180 European doctors analyzed 320 scientific papers and concluded there is no rational or medical reason for combining the 3 vaccines (MMR). This was in 1992 -- 6 years before Wakefield.
that0s is your problem twice... you just pick up the parts who fit your delusion. there is a reason for combining the 3 shots. time has not stoped in 1992.
Your comment is nearly incoherent. The ONLY reason to combine the 3 vaccines, measles, mumps and rubella, into a single MMR shot is for convenience -- not for safety or any other scientific rationale -- so that parents won't have to return to the doctor as often for the child's shots. There are many good reasons NOT to combine the vaccines. All of these reasons were valid in 1992 when 180 doctors published a joint statement against combining the 3 vaccines, and they remain valid today.
Regarding your often-repeated fictional, pro-vaccine industry mantra that "autism has no link to vaccination" it reminds me of the Wizard of Oz when the good witch Glenda told Dorothy: "Click your heels together 3 times and say 'there's no place like home.'" You can keep repeating your chant as often as you like, but it won't alter reality nor heal children who became autistic from vaccines. Instead, it will deceive a new generation of parents who continue to blindly follow doctor advice.
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A steep increase in Autism prevalence was noted in the United States starting in the late 70s and in the United Kingdom after 1988 following the extensive use of the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella) vaccine in both countries. The vaccine authorities in both countries are convinced that there is no connection between MMR vaccination and autism. Read the drug manufacturers info inserts ...educate yourself prior to vaccine shots
the0gatekeeper 3 weeks ago
I had the vaccine as a child.
I'm fine.
Kthanxbai.
lAMNOTGOOMBA 2 months ago
worldwide studies where the majority of the so called independent researchers were paid for by company making the vaccine or pharmaceutical drug. Read "A Drug Story" by Morris Bealle. Most dont know they are part of the conspiracy because we have been taught since we were children that doctors make you better. In most cases they make you worse. Measels itself is known to cause autism. I trust independent resources not establishment insider bias studies. What is your take on Aspartame?
poyner1134 2 months ago
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@poyner1134 Let's take one topic at a time. You still have not produced any evidence supporting your claim that measles, mumps, and rubella were declining prior to the MMR vaccine.
MBHockey 2 months ago
ThinkTwiceGlobal,
Your Fox-News-esque attempt at scaring people into believing your unfounded opinions is shameful. The cavalier attitude with which you regurgitate repeatedly disproven claims, completely understate MMR's efficacy, and present personal beliefs as fact is dishonest, dangerous, and deleterious.
Isn't it telling that only a single doctor agrees with you? And that he is corrupt? (Google 'Dr. Mayer Eisenstein')
MBHockey 3 months ago
@MBHockey What about Russell Blaylock? MMR is terrible. did you know its a proven fact that all of these viruses were already decreasing rapidly BEFORE we started vaccinating against them?
poyner1134 2 months ago
@poyner1134
Where is your evidence that MMR diseases were declining before the vaccine?
Russell Blaylock -- his entire research experience consists of two case reports that had nothing to do with vaccines (look him up on Wikipedia since I can't post the link here). That's less research experience than the average medical student. Why would you choose to listen to him about vaccines, when he hasn't done any research in that area?
Can you articulate why "MMR is terrible"?
MBHockey 2 months ago
@MBHockey I will get you the source. It is your call on who you trust and what you chose to make sense of. When it comes to the medical field I believe the pharmaceutical industry has been deeply flawed since the Rockefellers took over the AMA back in the mid 1900's.
poyner1134 2 months ago
@poyner1134
This is where we differ. This is not my opinion. It's not "my call". It's fourteen worldwide studies (comprising hundreds of thousands of children). Researchers specifically looked at autism rates in both MMR-vaccinated and MMR-unvaccinated groups and found that both groups had the same rates of autism.
To discount the results of such large scale, reproduced, and peer-reviewed studies demonstrates a tremendous lack of scientific literacy or the belief in a worldwide conspiracy.
MBHockey 2 months ago
@MBHockey Just watch on here "Russell Blaylock Compulsory vaccinations". After watching I am sure you will understand the vast research he has done on these issues. His knowledge extends further than I could ever imagine.
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@poyner1134 Are you saying that I have to watch a 40 minute video to find evidence (not opinion) that MMR diseases were declining prior to the MMR vaccine?
Surely it would be easier for you to just provide a direct literature source. You said yourself it's a "proven fact" that these diseases were already declining prior to the vaccine, so shouldn't evidence supporting that statement be ubiquitous and therefore easy to produce?
MBHockey 2 months ago
@MBHockey Did you watch "Russell Blaylock Comulsory Vaccinations"? Please do. Thanks. Trust me you will enjoy it. If you chose to watch it.
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@poyner1134 I have not watched it. Which part of our conversation does it pertain to?
Please realize that you still have not produced a source backing up your claim that MMR diseases were declining prior to the MMR vaccine. Let's wrap up that part of our discussion before moving on to the next.
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@poyner1134
Please note: I am completely unsurprised by your repeated inability to back up the ridiculous claim you made that MMR diseases were rapidly declining prior to the MMR vaccine.
That statement, much like the myriad unsubstantiated claims of the scientifically illiterate, are simply detrimental to children. Take a science class. Read the research. Get a legitimate education and stop perpetuating this nonsense already.
MBHockey 2 months ago
Interesting Articles To Google: " US Government In US$20 million Legal Settlement For Vaccine Caused Autism Case
* Autism Increase Environmental Not Genetic – Says New Director of USA’s $30.5 Billion Health Research Budget
* Autism In Amish Children - 1 in 10,000
* 'Drug Giant Merck “Destroy” Critical Doctors “Where They Live”
* "Flu Vaccine Caused 3587 US Miscarriages & Stillbirths"
Peace, Love, & Light To All Who live By Honesty & Transparency~
promiseIsaih60 3 months ago
Wake fields is a fraud
bighrabovsky 4 months ago
Stop spreading these unproven lies! They have already been debunked. There is no link
bighrabovsky 4 months ago
It is an unfortunate fact of our physiology that anything which can cure/prevent a problem can also cause one (that's why all real medicine has possible side effects), but your list of the possible side effects of the vaccine completely ignores the fact that those side effects are hundreds and even thousands of times less likely to occur than the debilitating effects of the diseases it guards against. Also, not all of those side effects you listed are actual side effects of the vaccine.
ArcanaKnight 5 months ago
How about a link to a peer reviewed paper showing the link between the two. And a valid peer reviewed paper. Wakefields paper isn't. No blogs, no opinions, no news story. A peer reviewed paper showing a link.
tommy605 5 months ago
PEOPLE, THANKS FOR ALL THE ATTENTION I'VE RECEIVED FROM U. MADE ME FEEL SPECIAL ♥, NOW GET ALL THE VAXX IN THE WHOLE WORLD AND BE HAPPY. HAHAHA. I ENJOY TO INVEST MY PRECIOUS TIME NOT TO WASTE IT!!!! INJECT THIS POISSON IN YOUR OWN ASS LIKE 5 TIMES TO ASSURE IMMUNITY ;)
Miaulagata 10 months ago
Hahaha! Tin foil hats on!
tomaselvis 1 year ago
i iz thinking that peoples r forgetting wat Autism iz- it to me iz a replacement word for Retarded, thatz wat they uzed in 1980'z! If vaccines make children retarded then thatz wat they classify az Autism today, they replaced the wordz, vaccines do make retarded, i waz working az Third Class Petty Officer in US Navy an suffered a severe adverse reaction to the Anthrax Vaccine which haz placed me on disability with the mental of an 8 yr old boy now - therez ur proof, i went 2 yrs Navy befor vax!!
AutismsLostBoy 1 year ago
the mmr vaccine is completly safe, dr Andrew Wakefield paid by a lawyer to find a connection between the mmr vaccine and autism, and the study was botched.
tom60135 1 year ago 2
UPDATE 10/17/10 – NORTH CAROLINA UNIVERSITY STUDY VINDICATES DR. ANDREW WAKEFIELD’S RESEARCH: ‘Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain, none are wild measles. ‘This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, ther...e is evidence of measles virus. What it means is that the study done earlier by Dr Wakefield and published in 1998 is CORRECT.
Miaulagata 1 year ago
VACCINES ARE NOT EFFECTIVE!!! VACCINE ARE A TOXIC COCKTAIL!!!
Miaulagata 1 year ago
@Miaulagata fail
bengalslash 10 months ago
@bengalslash: do u really think I care what people like u think? :D. Guess what? I DO NOT CARE!!! And thanks to that my son is DOING AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Thanks Biomedical Protocol. :D
U guys can get all the vaxx in the whole world and be happy. I DO NOT and be very happy ;)
Miaulagata 10 months ago
@Miaulagata biomedical? what quack treatment did you give to your son, chelation, gluten-casein free, lupron, homeopathic, rna drops? It's called developmental DELAY for a reason, because that's what it is, DELAY. Where is your PROOF that vaccines are not effective, and that they are a "toxic cocktail"?
bengalslash 10 months ago
@bengalslash: :D, HAHAHA, Whatever!!! you r not really expecting me to WASTE my time with u right? C YA!!!!
Miaulagata 10 months ago
So, now that Wakefield's study has been publicly, and rather brutally, shot down and retracted, are you still happy to stake your claims on it's veracity?
amandarandom89 1 year ago
Why is it that the overwhelming majority of doctors and health professionals support and recommend vaccination and the people talking about its dangers are only conspiracy theorists sitting behind a keyboard on the internet....?
blabby102 1 year ago
There have been investigtions, and nothing has been able to link autism to MMR shots with any scientific validity. The original study was botched and Wakefield himself was unable to replicate his results. He was paid by a lawyer to find a connection. The MMR shot is given right when autism starts to show symptoms. Tragic, but NOT a cause and effect scenario.
ktrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 1 year ago
Wakefield's studies were replicated by independent scientists. Here is a recent article on one such study: dailymail [dot] co [dot] uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism [dot] h t m l In addition, for people who are interested in hearing Dr. Wakefield's side of the story: thinktwice [dot] com/wakefield [dot] h t m
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago 2
@ThinkTwiceGlobal This link you posted in your reply isn't working. Can you pm me the link? Thank you!
papercandles 1 year ago
@papercandles The link works. Begin with 3 w's. You have to replace [dot] with an actual period. You also have to remove the space between the h, t, and m.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal : the link will just bring you to the dailymail websites
your so called links are bogus
tom60135 10 months ago
@papercandles
It's a link from the daily mail. What more evidence do you need? lol.
(I should explain, Daily Mail (An english newspaper) is about as informative and reliable as say... Fox News.)
TawntheAtheist 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal and then ignore all the other studies that don't back that up. not very scientific is it?
fastertortoise2 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal No they weren't, and the Lancet has since issued a public apology for printing the article in the first place.
darastarscream 1 year ago
This was clearly made for the uneducated and seems to reveal many disturbing facts about vaccines in general. Any medical professional can see the half truths and bias here. This is the same old story of quoting papers that have now been thoroughly discredited.
By this video's logic: Since children who get more viruses within the first year have a decreased risk for leukemia (which is a fact), lets get our kids sick.
Of course this is NOT what we want to do. Take this with a grain of salt.
wowsdrawkcab 1 year ago
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Man disabled by MMR vaccine awarded £90,000 after 13-year fight
A man who suffered severe brain damage after being given the MMR vaccine as a baby has been awarded £90,000 in a landmark ruling expected to pave the way for thousands of similar compensation claims.
Read more at:w w w . telegraph . co .uk/health/healthnews/7970315/Man-disabled-by-MMR-vaccine-awarded-90000-after-13-year-fight.html
silkcat51 1 year ago
Wakfield is a fraud and all his reasearch was confermed as such. that being said plz refence what studies and evidence "clearly confirm an MMR autism link" because i have never seen any thing that can sugjest one out side of Wakefield Studies witch had a sample size of 12
jasonoatmeal 1 year ago
Studies show that the MMR vaccine is unsafe. What studies. Link them in the video.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@Rundvelt Excuse me, but where are the studies that show the MMR is safe along with all the other mandatory vaccines combined? There is none! Vaccine studies only show the one vaccine( and side effecs) Now add MMR with the DTaP,HIB,IPV,HEP B and Varicella ect...Put them all together and you have UNKNOWN side effects and 100's of chronically ill children! But don't forget to add the extra doses which are constantly being added! Now show the study with different manufacturers as they differ too?
1jtbt1 1 year ago
@1jtbt1 I would first look to the FDA reports that were submitted by the company that first made the MMR vaccine. You'll find your evidence there.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@Rundvelt SHOW ME THAT EVIDENCE! When Pharma submits studies, it's on that one vaccine, not mixed with multiple vaccines or with different Pharma companies!
1jtbt1 1 year ago
@1jtbt1 The evidence lies with the FDA. Perhaps you should check there. I'd also suggest PubMED.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@Rundvelt Thank you, I already know the evidence LIES with the FDA and PubMED.
1jtbt1 1 year ago
@1jtbt1 What a witty response. Did it take you a while to think that one up?
Rundvelt 1 year ago
Excellent video! You summed up all real facts in short time. Keep spreading the TRUTH!
1jtbt1 1 year ago
Ive read your site and I find it kind of humerus how ignorant and or blind you are about the facts that you are presenting. Keep up the good work.
aronx88 1 year ago
@aronx88 This is how you spell "humorous."
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal you should spend more time getting your facts straight, rather than fixing my spelling.
aronx88 1 year ago
@aronx88 It was to underscore the caliber of mind passing judgment. Our facts are straight. If you have a specific complaint, let us know.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal Here's a specific complaint, you show no facts to support your claims. In fact, I challenge you directly to produce a study that hasn't been proven to be wrong that supports your position.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@Rundvelt Here is one study: Morris, K., et al. "Guillain-Barre syndrome after measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine." Lancet 1994; 343:60.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal Oh, the one where it shows that getting the shot can result in adverse effects for the one in 1.6 million if I recall? Yeah, how about a negative that has a reasonable risk.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@Rundvelt I find it interesting how you have no qualms about commenting on a paper that you never read.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal It was an attempt to get you to read the paper itself. Although, we all know that won't happen. Perhaps we can change the tone here. Why do you think it is that a large majority of doctors see the MMR vaccine as a good thing for a person's child?
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal Now, here's the million dollar question. What does it say and how does it support your position? The billion dollar question is why don't you present these papers in your videos?
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@Rundvelt There are numerous peer-reviewed studies documenting MMR dangers, including neurological and immunological damage. The video is offered as a summary of the problems with MMR. It is a starting point for interested parties to begin their research. If you are unhappy with the contents of the video, you are free to produce your own. For others who may be interested in further research, Wakefield posted his video rebuttal at thinktwice [dot] com / wakefield [dot] h t m
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal Don't need to. Take a look at Donexodus' channel where he explains it.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@ThinkTwiceGlobal "There are numerous peer-reviewed studies documenting MMR dangers" Links, please. All I can find on Google are things liek the Lancet's apologizing for printing the fraudulent (not merely flawed, but falsified) study that accused vaccines of causing autism, so I guess the great Provax conspiracy has gotten to them.
doctorpsycho1960 1 year ago
Quoting from the Simpson Conference: "Therefore the purpose of this meeting is to have a careful scientific review of the data." (p2)(not to hatch up cover-up plots). Verstraeten mentions main limitations of his study (p48). Verstraeten:"In conclusion the screening analysis suggests a possible association between certain neurologic developmental disorders." (not a definite association). (p50) In summing up Dr Stehr-Green: "current results were weak for a variety of reasons". (p252)
qwistrod 1 year ago
@qwistrod On a scale of 1 to 6 (where 6 was the strongest) the average rating for a causal relationship was 1.8 (p253) Dr Stehr-Green: "the group was
not willing to say there was sufficiently strong evidence to
support a finding of causality."[or refute].
qwistrod 1 year ago
@qwistrod Dr.Stehr-Green: group was "unanimous in saying that additional research is needed." (not a cover-up operation). (p252) "weak findings should be followed up" (not covered up) p252 "there
was a finding of association. Perhaps weak, but there was a
finding of association that needed to be pursued" (not covered up) p254
qwistrod 1 year ago
@qwistrod Here is a direct quote by Dr. Verstraeten, the lead researcher of the study (p.40 in the transcripts): We have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure (to mercury in vaccines) and outcomes. For two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays." (continued...)
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
(continued) Dr. Verstraeten: "Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders." Which part of "statistically significant relationships" are you attempting to deny? In addition, Dr. Bill Weil, with the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), told the group, "You can play with this all you want, but the results are statistically significant." (continued...)
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
(continued) Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician at the conference, exclaimed, "I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine..." According to Dr. Robert Brent, another pediatrician: "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits." Dr. John Clements, World Health Organization (WHO) vaccine advisor, was more blunt, declaring that "the research results have to be handled."
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
For anyone wanting to read a summary of the coverup, I recommend Vaccine Safety Manual: (w w w . vacbook . c o m). The transcripts can be found at: (w w w . thinktwice . c o m).
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
@qwistrod There is a cover-up. there was a study done on the Amish who don't vaccinate. Statistically they should have had over 130 cases of autism, they had none and it is because they don't vaccinate. I don't believe any study done by a group who has too much to lose. Either, money or credibility. The Pharma companies and the CDC has both to lose for giving our children this poison.
justsayno2islam 1 year ago
@justsayno2islam Tell me the name of this "study". Come on, just tell me the name. You seem to be familiar with it up to the point that you have memorized figures from it.
What is the title? Who wrote it? What journal was it published in?
I am waiting.....
blabby102 1 year ago
Regarding the Simpsonwood conference I gather from the transcript of the meeting that the association between thimerosal and neurological disorders was considered weak, not strong enough to support a causal relationship but enough grounds for further research. The studies I already mentioned were done after this conference and did not confirm the link. There was no mention of a coverup. The data they had was scheduled to be released on 21/22 June. I will look into the claims re Eisenstein.
qwistrod 1 year ago
@qwistrod The link between mercury in vaccines and autism/neurological disorders was SIGNIFICANT, a scientific term meaning STRONG, not weak; hence the secrecy and seriousness of the meeting. Verstraeten oversaw the study and was astounded by the associations. A plan was hatched to rework the original study -- hence the Verstraeten Pediatrics "study" in 2003 -- and produce more studies to assuage parental concerns. The coverup has continued to this day.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
Here is a new, just released video of Dr. Wakefield telling his side of the story:
w w w . thinktwice . com / wakefield . h t m
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
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qwistrod 1 year ago
As for studies failing to find a thimerosal-neurological link I found: Frankish in the Lancet 2001, Clements and McIntyre, Expert Opinion on Drug Safety 2006, Parker et al, Paediatrics 2004, Institute of Medicine: Immunization Safety Review:Vaccines and Autism 2004, Madsen et al, Pediatrics, 2003, Verstraeten et al , Pediatrics, 2003
qwistrod 1 year ago
@qwistrod Also Stehr-Green et al, 2003, American Journal of Preventative Medicine
qwistrod 1 year ago
@qwistrod The number of studies not supporting a link is insignificant if they are all bogus. Read about the secret Simpsonwood conference held in June 2000 by the CDC, FDA, WHO, and heads of vaccine manufacturers. They met to discuss irrefutable proof of a link between mercury in vaccines and autism but decided to initiate a coverup. Also, Dr. Eisenstein has a large population of unvaccinated people with NO cases of autism. His new book is now available: w w w . vacbook . com
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
Focusing on the alleged link between thimerosal and neurological disorders: There are studies by Mark and David Geier supporting link but in one study they declared a conflict of interest and apparently Dr Mark Geier's expertise has been questioned. He is a geneticist and obstetrician and does not have expertise in neurological disorders. Those are the positive studies I could find.
qwistrod 1 year ago
Seems that scientific studies can confirm anything you want. I have heard that there are a number of studies disconfirming the link between MMR vaccine and autism all carried out on large samples of study subjects. The Wakefield study was carried out on a small sample. Since people have stopped taking the vaccine measles has spread. And Wakefield has since been discredited.
untunhud 1 year ago
@untunhud Your comments were addressed in earlier posts.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 1 year ago
Good work, thinktwiceglobal.
dgontar 1 year ago
THE BIG LIE....hahaha thats so funny...
maybe you should consider studying the immune system and find out how it works instead of making comments about something you know nothing about.
aquamarine42 2 years ago
The BIG LIE being perpetuated is the lie that in order for your immune system to protect you from any virus or bacteria it must be previously exposed to the viri or bacterium. If this were true there would be nobody alive on earth to believe it.
atlassublux 2 years ago
@fakedick if you are talking to me, then you should go get a couple hundred vaccine shots to your fakedick so that you will sterilize yourself.
animlnitr8 2 years ago
I think this is a very informative video. I'm going to go eat a sandwich now and watch it again and sit back happily knowing that I was never vaccinated with MMR.
blooeyedbaybee 2 years ago
You know what's dangerous? Drops in vaccination due to superstitious fucktards like this spreading misinformation. Next time you feel compelled to launch another crusade like this, make the world a better place and just go eat a sandwich. Hard.
AngryCyrano 2 years ago
If your basing the claim that MMR causes autism using Wakefield's study, you must never have examined it. The results that Wakefield claimed to have were fraudulent. Furthermore, vaccine contain weakened strains of viruses that activate the body's defenses, resulting in memory cells that can destroy the virus should it enter the body again. You are effectively claiming that vaccines contain full strength viruses, and they do not. You should take a closer look at Wakefield's study.
topdogtomiii 2 years ago
I have read the Wakefield study. It was never proved fraudulent. The case has not been resolved. However, this has no bearing on the video because the video is not predicated on the Wakefield study. Regarding vaccines, we are quite aware that live viruses are attenuated (weakened), but this does not mitigate the MMR vaccine's potential to cause devastating adverse reactions and death in recipients of the shot. These are well-documented in the medical literature.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
My source is Dr. Paul Offit's book, Autism's False Prophets, which is a recent publication. I have chosen to take Dr. Offit at his word, and for all practical purposes, that is all I have to go on at this point.
topdogtomiii 2 years ago
A congressional investigation in June 2000 found that Paul Offit had significant conflicts of interest with regard to his role as a vaccine proponent. He is a well-known guardian of vaccine manufacturer interests. As such, his opinions cannot be considered valid, objective, or reliable. Dr. Wakefield's work was never proven to be fraudulent; he continues to help autistic children.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
I have heard certain views of various politicians from news sources, and I cannot support them. Conflicts of interest are found on both sides of the argument, but because the public is so desperate for any information on autism, they will take the word of anyone who will point the finger at a cause they can control. The media coverage centers its focus on the claims of cures and causes. Oh, and the book is based on facts, not opinions.
topdogtomiii 2 years ago
The public is "desperate for information on autism" because the vaccine industry is damaging generations of our precious children, covering up their crimes with bogus studies, and people like you are comfortable supporting their agenda. Regarding Paul Offit, he owns the patent on a lucrative diarrhea vaccine and is a shill for the pharmaceutical industry. His books are not factual. I recommend the Vaccine Safety Manual, available from Amazon, or find out more here: vacbook . com
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
topdogtomiii Offit is nicknamed For-Profit Offit by autism parents because of his gross conflicts of interest... he is not for our children, but for profit. If you CHOOSE to take someone at their word when its not science based but based on financial gain, then we really cannot take your comments seriously.
Yankhadenough 2 years ago
there is a reason that measles is once again endemic in the Uk, and the blame is rightly placed at the door of media channels spreading misinformation. You are afforded the luxury to create this nonsense because of the majority of the population who are immunised. You are putting lives at risk, maybe not your own but others, please think about what you are doing.
illegalbadgerbaiting 2 years ago
You have your facts wrong. Parents in the UK wanted the measles vaccine -- just not MMR -- but the UK government took away that option. Thus, if measles cases increased, you must place the blame squarely upon the UK medical industry and government.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
UK Measles deaths (from 1901/2, averaged) declined by 99.4% before vaccination in 1968! . What is your view on this? So your saying I am afforded the luxury because of the vaccine? Or because of mostly other things like living conditions and nutrition and natural immunity? Because that actually fits into what we are saying. Is the risk of getting MMR worth it, when there is the tiniest possibility of harm done to susceptible children. Dont overhype vaccines.
benjamintheblue 2 years ago
illegalbadgerbaiting the solution is simple, REMOVE THE THIMEROSAL AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS! But the vaccine industry is far more concerned with preserving shelf life of their vaccine products than preserving the lives of our children.
Thimerosal is simply a preservative and has nothing to do with the components of the vaccine that saves lives! In fact, thimerosal destroys lives instead.
Yankhadenough 2 years ago 2
Yep, the MMR vaccine makers are covering up the truth to protect their profits (around $7 bn (Merck making up $6 bn of it), counting the 4 MMR vaccine manufacturers entire revenue, not just their MMR revenue). But I guess when the evidence that cigarettes caused cancer came out, the cigarette companies did not want to suppress the truth to protect their profits (Only $110-120 bn, not that much, just a little more than 16X that of Merck.).
exugoareo 2 years ago
@exugoareo but no one is forced to smoke cigarettes.
animlnitr8 2 years ago
@animlnitr8 No one is forced to give their children vaccines either.
exugoareo 2 years ago
@exugoareo but the fight against having the vaccinate your kids is much more difficult...no one is shoving cigarettes in their mouths, but everyone wants to stick them with vaccine needles. it's difficult to even enroll kids in school when you don't want to vaccinate them (depending on where you live and the laws and your rights in that state). that's all i'm saying.
animlnitr8 2 years ago
Like i said, no one is forcing people to vaccinate their children. If you believe a vaccine will greatly harm your child, and your local wont enroll him without him getting said vaccine, then move.
exugoareo 2 years ago
@exugoareo it's not so easy for everyone to just pick up and move (especially with real estate and employment being what it is today)...it SHOULD be easier for people to keep this poison out of their kids though...
animlnitr8 2 years ago
If you believe the vaccine will harm your child, you should see it like this,
difficulty of moving<difficulty of child dying.
But if you are smart, you see it like this,
un-supported claims of that one actress that vaccines cause autism/death<years of scientific research showing no connection between vaccines and autism/death.
exugoareo 2 years ago
I forgot, google "CDC concerns about autism". On the CDC page, click the PDF file named "VSD chart of autism studies", and read. (Can not post the link because youtube filters web address's.)
exugoareo 2 years ago
Thimerosal has been removed in many countries, and there was no drop in autism.
kormyniska 2 years ago
Reason being; researcher's finding explained beginning in this video at 3:46 , a baby or young child exposed to 3 Viral diseases at the same time is at high risk for Autism and over adverse reactions to this exposure can cause death as well.
LeMahu 2 years ago
@kormyniska i don't think it's just the thimerosal...i think it's the fact that these kids are being exposed to the 3 vaccines all at once rather than one at a time with enough time in between them to "recuperate" from each vaccine. but yeah, the thimerosal is not a good thing to be injecting into anyone either...
animlnitr8 2 years ago
They did remove the thimerosal and guess what? No drop! So what do the anti-vaccers do? Move the goal post yet again. Some of you guys are delusionally paranoid and it winds up hurting people.
NameSpikeDog 2 years ago
Authorities didn't "remove" thimerosal. When they took it out of some vaccines, they quietly ADDED mercury-containing flu vaccines to the immunization schedule for infants AND began recommending -- and pushing -- mercury-containing flu vaccines for pregnant women in their 1st trimester. In addition, they increased the aluminum content of childhood vaccines by 20%. This is documented here: thinktwice (dot) com / aluminum (dot) pdf
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
@Yankhadenough Thimersoal has been shown not to have any adverse reactions though direct trials and comparison.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
@Yankhadenough Thiomersal HAS been taken out of modern vaccines. If thiomersal caused autism, you would expect a sharp decline in new cases after it being removed from vaccines. But guess what... the occurrences of autism continued to rise. When you have such a large sample size it is easy to test the effect of substances on the population.
blabby102 1 year ago
Vaccination is an organised criminal enterprise disguised as disease prevention. Don't fall for this despicable and very dangerous scam!
vaccineshurtbabies 2 years ago
@vaccineshurtbabies So if this is all one big criminal enterprise, what is the benefit to the criminals? Who are the criminals?
Vaccines are usually a one-off shot and pharmaceutical companies hardly make any money out of them when compared to anti-depressants or blood pressure medication that is taken daily for the duration of one's life.
blabby102 1 year ago
Aluminum and formaldehyde are present in large amounts in the MMR vaccine . So are phenol and in most thimerosal . Go ahead ikath take a thermometer break it open ,mix it with some formaldehyde and some egg protein and inject it into your bloodstream . I'm sure it won't have negative effects . You are clearly an uneducated moron . If you had children , the government would have taken them away by now .
bobyjhousinit 2 years ago
i had to get a 3rd MMR vaccine as a child in elementary school because the doctors screwed up the scheduling of one of the first ones. that same year i developed near sightedness and had to get glasses. I dont know if they relate but maybe they do.
cracksnake 2 years ago
It is probably due to the Aluminum and formaldehyde in the MMR vaccine . Children often report blurry vision within weeks after being vaccinated .
bobyjhousinit 2 years ago
I think it is probably due to the colour of the label on the MMR bottle.
See what I did there - I copied you and took a WILD stab in the dark and just made something up. Idiot.
Ikaath 2 years ago
But vaccines do contain these ingredients and it is known that aluminium has negative effects upon the brain, so why is this a wild stab in the dark?
melpotter 2 years ago
Can't we respond to other people's posts without calling them idiots? This shouldn't have to get so nasty.
melpotter 2 years ago
Medicine should be a last resort not tht first a first line of (untested on humans) defence. IMO
lollie69 2 years ago
But WHERE is the studies that PROVE giving an immature immune system 5 or even 7 viruses in vaccinations at the same time is safe along with allthe preservatives that goes with each individual vaccine. Aggressive vaccinating is NOT proved safe. Every drug manufactures disclaimer on the inside of the information proves that. MAY cause........ the list is endless. I will not be offering my child or myself up as a Guinea Pig. I will let my body fight what conditions it gets naturally. .
lollie69 2 years ago
as a gorilla would do it :D
the next time your kid has a fever or brakes a leg let it heal on its own, that will do.
thank "God" for evolution, development of a frontal cortex and science!
saschavega 2 years ago
single shots are NOT being permitted by doctors here in the UK why? Whay are we not allowed to choose how much risk we expose our children to. Studies have been made on single vaccine shots, then they are deemed safe for the masses.
lollie69 2 years ago
how safe is it? as safe as any other drug available, pros and cons. you might as well stop taking tylenol since it also presents the possibility of side effects.
questionable substances?? you peoples simply are afraid of what you dont understand completely.
btw Autism has not been proven to be 100% caused by a vaccine.
for causes of autism look up on google scholars the scientific paper:
"Model of autism: increased ratio of excitation/
inhibition in key neural systems"
saschavega 2 years ago
MMR is much more dangerous than Tylenol. Many of the people who oppose it do so not because they "don't understand completely" but just the opposite: they grasp the truth behind the lies. The scientific paper that you reference does not offer any new information. It simply reiterates what researchers have long suspected: there may be a genetic predisposition to autism, but "regressive autism" (child initially develops normally) is triggered into manifestation by an environmental factor.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
A new study has just been released that suggests a strong positive correlation (.032) between hepatitis B vaccine and the development of Autism. This study suggests boys are three times more likely to develop autism if they have the vaccine at birth. This study will soon be published in a peer reviewed journal. Also in science nothing is ever 'proven'. No scientific paper in any journal will ever use the term proven as you cannot say with 100 percent certainty that you have proven anything.
melpotter 2 years ago
Wow a "strong" correlation you say.
Here is a little nugget of advice: correlation doesn't imply causation. Even if this were a strong correlation (its not) you still would have some way to prove causation.
Ikaath 2 years ago
I do say strong, if it wasn't strong it wouldn't be statistically significant which .032 is. Anything below .05 is considered statistically significant. That's where I am coming from. I apologise if I didn't make that clear in my initial post. Perhaps you can explain what the point of correlation is & why it is even reported then. In my experience if something is statistically significant then it generally points to there being a connection. What is the point of what you are saying?
melpotter 2 years ago
A correlation in 2 variables does not imply that one CAUSES the other which is what you are seeking in this case. Statistical correlation on its own should always be regarded with skepticism.
To see the problem simply think of 2 things that have increased over the last 5 years. Now place them on a graph - see how it looks like they are now "linked"...
You have to go much deeper to see if there is an ACTUAL causation involved. This is first day statistics stuff.
Ikaath 2 years ago
then i retort that back at u: correlation doesn't imply causation. So how do we know that vaccines "guarantee" immunity in the first place? look at corpus christi incient 1987 & Sweden's whopping cough outbreak years ago. corpus crist- 99% vaccinated, "95% hav antibodies", yet an outbreak occurs. published new england journal medicine 1987. why? immunization & health is far more complex, intrinsic&holistic then the mere presence of antibodies. health has nothing to do w/ disease but disease wil
imbrd 2 years ago
come knocking when u hav poor health inviting the disease in to fester & grow.
imbrd 2 years ago
Just wondering if yoyu have any references for these studies that i could check out?
boom1208 2 years ago
MMR = manual mayhem revolution, you noobs
lankher 2 years ago
Anyone who actually believes vaccinations improve health are living in a dream world. Research the ingredients and have them injected into your bloodstream if you wish but dont demand everyone else follows suit and that is what the poison pushers/supporters/uptakers want.
smmeegal 2 years ago
Excellent video. Vaccines are a Sacred Cow. Skepticism about their safety and efficacy - even as a result of intensive, serious research - is simply not tolerated by most people who have *not* done their own research, but simply rely on what the medical and pharmaceutical industries claim. Even the CDC has estimated that only 10% of vaccine adverse reactions are reported by doctors. Doesn't that raise a red flag to any free thinking person about the skewed "safety" statistics?
HarpoMarx22 2 years ago 2
In 1976-President Ford had been told by his health advisers that there was going to be a huge epidemic of swine flu, that this could kill may thousands and the only way to prevent this catastrophe was to vaccinate the entire population of America every man woman and child-with a specific vaccine-People were dropping dead in the buildings where they received their shots. Others became paralyzed. The whole program ground to a halt.
Visit: w3times dotwhale dotto see second column - vaccination.
Ididnotagree 2 years ago 2
"AUTISM" = Red Herring. MMR causes Brain Damage!
leadingladyj 2 years ago 2
Genuinely, a misinformative video. Fraught with half-truths and deception.
If you're going to make a scientific claim, back it up. Provide references. Is that not the ethics behind informed consent? Should that not be our goal?
This video exploits people's scientific ignorance, and makes extensive use of logical fallacies.
And yes, that is my informed opinion.
jffryfnt 2 years ago
Your informed opinion failed to mention a single half-truth, logical fallacy or deception in the video. You may not like the video but that does not make it untrue. Regarding informed consent, parents may read CDC/FDA propaganda for the official industry position. They may also supplement that with other data, such as this video. That is how they arrive at informed consent. They wont achieve informed consent if people like you succeed at suppressing data that conflicts with official dogma.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
Then Jffryfnt... what are the facts ???? Waiting for your facts......
qwerwtf 2 years ago
Your statement that "ANY well respected doctor" will deny a link between MMR and autism is untrue. There are many "well respected doctors" who speak out against vaccines. In fact, Dr. Wakefield was considered a world-class expert in his field until he found a link between vaccines and autism. This immediately qualified him as a quack. Many other medical doctors continue to speak out against vaccines. For example: Dr. Joseph Mercola, Dr. Russell Blaylock, and Dr. Mayer Eisenstein.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
Dr. Eisenstein has been the medical director of the nation's largest home birthing center for 30 years. Most of the thousands of babies he helped birth were NOT vaccinated and NONE of the unvaccinated babies have autism. This is strong evidence implicating vaccines. Dr. Blaylock is a world class brain surgeon. He has published numerous papers describing the frequency and mechanism by which vaccines cause brain damage. In addition, there are many other medical doctors who understand the problems.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
To Benno27, in future posts, you might consider actually addressing some of the points made in the video or in earlier posts. That would give you some credibility. Your emotional tirade consisting of lies, curses, and CAPITAL LETTERS SHOWING HOW LOUD YOU CAN TYPE, without a shred of pertinent information, doesn't contribute to an intelligent discussion. It simply reveals the hollowness of your position.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
How about you actually REFERENCING the apparent 'studies' you so proudly boast about, yet provide no link, no reference, no specifics. To be accurate, you're just as guilty of the accusations you make. By the way. A little fact you should be aware of. Dr. Wakefield was indited for scientific misconduct. His paper showing the apparent 'MMR/Thimerosol autism link) was retracted for falsification of data. AND that this fraudulent 'work' was funded by litigious lawyers. These are facts.
jffryfnt 2 years ago
The studies implicating measles, mumps and rubella vaccines are quite numerous, documenting SSPE (progressive brain disease), encephalitis, GBS (paralysis), blood disorders, sensory impairments, immune suppression, bowel disease, and severe allergic reactions. These have been published in JAMA, Lancet, NEJM, BMJ and other peer-reviewed journals. In addition, the manufacturer lists some of these studies in its product inserts, as does the Physicians Desk Reference.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
Many of these studies are posted on the Thinktwice website. If you were really interested, a simple search would locate these studies for you. Regarding your assertion of facts, they are funny things. Dont confuse your facts with truth or proof, especially in a climate of repression.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 2 years ago
if i were you i wouldnt waste my time arguing with that person! just hope that when he or his children recieve these vaccinations he does not suffer any negative afflictions!
circlestream 2 years ago
The fact is that any reason I give which debunks this bullshit, you can always come up with a new piece of bullshit which "proves you right". Example:
Me: ANY well respected doctor will tell you that there is ABSOLUTELY NO link between autism and the MMR vaccine, and studies which show that there is a link haven't been conducted fairly and scientifically.
You: But doctors make money! Hence can't be trusted!
YOU'RE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD!
Oh and I'm just waiting for your reply with yet more BS
benno27 2 years ago 4
@benno27 You are brainwashed by the status quo who don't want you to know the truth. Take the study on the Amish who don't vaccinate. Statistically they should have had over a 130 cases of autism, they had none. You are probably working for the pharma companies and or government or are just completely blind and trying to discredit these finding.
justsayno2islam 1 year ago
@benno27 It is rather funny. They're no different then creationists who say that the earth is 6000 years old or people who make orgon blasters out of quartz to dissipate clouds. Or dowsers. ROFL.
Rundvelt 1 year ago
Thank's for this contribution. My child started developing Autism after MMR, Chickenpox and flu shot given at ONE visit and 3 more vaccinations withing the same month. I am working my butt off to undo the damage.
PDAMRE 2 years ago
Sorry, but having had no observable adverse reactions on an earlier shot is not a guarantee of safety on subsequent shots. We have received many reports of serious reactions from boosters (secondary vaccines in a recommended series), and these are well documented in the FDA database of vaccine reactions.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 3 years ago
If you've already had a vaccine when you were much younger and you didn't react, does this mean you have a smaller chance of reacting to it the second time? I'm having one tomorrow.
sellotaype 3 years ago
Again, you are fixated on Wakefield. MMR has been causing problems long before he published his 1998 study. And autism was a problem with DPT before MMR. If you and the medical industry are truly concerned about stopping measles epidemics, why prohibit the single injection when parents reject the triple shot? 180 European doctors analyzed 320 scientific papers and concluded there is no rational or medical reason for combining the 3 vaccines (MMR). This was in 1992 -- 6 years before Wakefield.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 3 years ago
that0s is your problem twice... you just pick up the parts who fit your delusion. there is a reason for combining the 3 shots. time has not stoped in 1992.
autism has no link to vaccination
transtlantic 3 years ago
Your comment is nearly incoherent. The ONLY reason to combine the 3 vaccines, measles, mumps and rubella, into a single MMR shot is for convenience -- not for safety or any other scientific rationale -- so that parents won't have to return to the doctor as often for the child's shots. There are many good reasons NOT to combine the vaccines. All of these reasons were valid in 1992 when 180 doctors published a joint statement against combining the 3 vaccines, and they remain valid today.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 3 years ago
Regarding your often-repeated fictional, pro-vaccine industry mantra that "autism has no link to vaccination" it reminds me of the Wizard of Oz when the good witch Glenda told Dorothy: "Click your heels together 3 times and say 'there's no place like home.'" You can keep repeating your chant as often as you like, but it won't alter reality nor heal children who became autistic from vaccines. Instead, it will deceive a new generation of parents who continue to blindly follow doctor advice.
ThinkTwiceGlobal 3 years ago