when is the next time your going to do some of this? i would really like to chase some down hill for fun. lightly modded ek 4 door :) not trying to race. just have a good time. P.S. i know exactly how this is. OG spunky canyon was my playground at 2 A.M. good times when it was covered in snow.
m3 wouldnt have been able to keep up if that were a real miata road. XD miatas suspension is so much tighter. thats why i love driving mine. :D except on bumpy roads, it kinda sucks there. lol thats where the lux of a bmw comes in,
I've watched some of Vaga he is a very good driver. Its boils down to skill and whats on the car. I mean you have to look at everything when it comes to a canyon run. Both of you are very good drivers. Both have very good reaction and I give mad props to both of you when the other car was coming on. It boils down to the cars and i've had my share of working on both. Suspension, to acceleration to rev limiter and of course the main reaction is shift points. gear ratio is a big factor when needed.
E36's are beasts in stock trim, they handle soo good...miatas are great handling cars too but there not in the same league as the m3 in stock trim...yes with a very very skilled driver a miata could outpull eventually but he would have to be borderline insane to do so OR the m3 driver just cant drive worth a crap completely lol......you can tell in the video that the miata driver is having to push much harder to keep that pace(tire limits, wieght transfers)but both are good cars and drivers. :D
That may be so, but that was a pretty unimpressive run tbh... Way too much braking into corners... Nothing seemed "smooth" in terms of weight transfers. Lots of lost time there. Guess he's come a long way in 4 years? *shrugs*
So, instead of finding a car that can keep up, you slow the driver down? Wow.... that sounds WAAAAAAAAAAAAY exciting.... "Hold on F1 driver, you're going to fast for my car. Only go ~80mph, so we can film the 'excitement'."
ah, E36 M3 and miata, two of my favorite cars in the world :) Ended up buying the latter, only for budget reasons. I wish we had roads like that here in Holland, but here the biggest hills are the speed bumps -_-
I'm not clueless. You just seem to think that you are takumi or some shit in your m3.
The truth of the matter is that you really can't go around talking shit about how your m3 is better than miatas whenever you are following a guy that really doesn't seem to know the basics of racing in a canyon.
I wasn't joking, come to eastern kentucky and I will race you.
One reason the m3 is keeping up is because the miata is having to brake more than it needs too. It should have used it brakes less and used the cars weight to push itself through the corners. Then again it is a canyon run. That and the fact that the m3 is using the miata as a "when to brake" reference so it can brake later
@AkinaGod Because he simply doesn't. He doesn't know this road, doesn't know me or VagaXT (The driver of the Miata), doesn't know the conditions of that night.
"One reason the M3 is keeping up" is a load of crap - This run was a 5:17, which according to VagaXT himself was the best run he's done - This very same night, just an hour later I ran a 5:04 on video downhill, which for 2 years stood as the quickest downhill run on street tires on this road. Check it out: /watch?v=YSXdolc2GVE
@gyrenejoe Look mate, miatas stock are almost half the weight of an M3. That advantage alone is what importxpresions was talking about. And if you were so confident about all this you wouldn't have responded like you did, which tells us you are not as good as you think you are. I used to downhill a FF from Virginia City to Reno NV all the time and constantly imporved my times with a stock care and street cars in ALL conditions. I can tell you my car was MUCH faster than these speeds.
@gyrenejoe I'm not trying to be an ass but then again neither was importxpresions. It is true whoever was in the miata needs to learn to corner better That car doesn't NEED a turbo. All you need is to learn how to use the weight as the advantage. A good start would be to learn how to use a rally drift, especially with that car. You'd have owned the M3 for sure. Since it was 38 degrees on the road the only real advantage the M3 would have had is a wider tire and more power. Assuming it stock.
Where is this MT. Located? The local run we have out here is HWY 74. It's tough with back to back turns, i think here the Miata would have the advantage over the M3.
@impetusmode I have a video on here of me passing a new GTR at the track. What it doesn't show are the other 5 GTRs there that day that blew by me. :)
All my comments are based on my experiences at the canyons, I don't hate or dislike Miatas, far from it, I think they are great cars, but Back In The Day™ when this video was shot and a the couple of years before you weren't getting away from me in the downhill run in a Miata, S2K, Evo, 350Z, M3 or whatever. Now I'm old and out of the game. :)
I will say your car handles very nicely under stress. My Rtabs are stock and have about 30,000 miles on them. I will be rebuilding the front end over the winter if I keep my E36. It has about 67,000 miles on it now. Don't get me wrong, the E36 is a great handling car, but I think the Miata is easier to drive. I think if you were in the Miata and your M3 was in front, driving abilities would have been the biggest determining factor.
@kuladeeluxe I agree that the NA/NB Miata is very easy to drive, but I think that the E36 M3 is better in higher speed situations (Much faster than anything in this video), but I'll also go on to say that the E36 M3 is actually a lot harder to drive fast than people think it is, and I've seen more than a few crash in the canyons because they think that M3's are magic, self driving cars.
There was a chase program on here somewhere, a 15 year old kid whooping cops in vettes, dodging spike strips trying to get away. Would have succeeded too if it wasn't for the break down.
I've got a 98 M3 with fresh PS2's and Konis and low mileage. It doesn't corner as neatly as my Brother's stock Miata. Nice knowing the streets are still safe in your locale.
@kuladeeluxe E36 M3's need two things replaced to handle well:
The rear trailing arm bushings (RTAB) need to be replaced with a solid set or kept in place with a limiter kit and the front lower control arm bushings (LCA) also need to be replaced with a soild set.
It wouldn't surprise me if your car's are shot need to be swapped out.
o.O veteran... o.O, you sure? it looked like you weren't even trying to catch up... and whats with his constant braking? some kinda scare tactic? doesn't work if you're too far behind....
You should've just passed him near the end of the vid, just to rub it in, i mean come on, you did make one mis-shift dropping your turbo and power off some where in the last third of this vid... and he shit cann't out run... wtf
It's kind of difficult to compare a Miata to a M3. M3 is obviously a much better car. But for the money the Miata is a great car too. In this video (like most REAL racing videos) it seems the driver is the deciding factor.
are u guys in CA? NICE video! love the handeling on the little miata and the M3 isss... no word here :) awesome. - is the mazdaspeed miata RWD by any chance (i think it's front)? I'm in the market for an autocross "toy" and the miata is one of the options... any thoughts anyone? - sold my evo 9 :(
I'm a guy and I want to buy a Miata, and from the posts and blogs online, people call it a girl's car. From this video, it doesn't seem like a girl could keep up at that speed.
The Miata put up a fight, any one can see that... but an M3 is just a peace of great engeniring :D it doesn't matter if its an E36, it's still bad ass car...
even if they would swap possitions the Miata would just eat dust from the Bmw :D
they can't be eaquals and they never will be... but the M3 shows that eaven the evo7 and the Impreza could't spread the lead in the uphill movies:D
hahaha annotations made me laugh. But not in a disrespectful kind of way.
It's sad reading the other comments. Kudos to the M3 and kudos to the Miata. I mean, cant two friends have fun carving a canyon without getting criticized anymore :P. I mean they ain't even racing (in a sense that there's no winner loser in the end). They're just having fun. Take it easy :P.
Besides, if the Miata and it's driver were the superior combo, they'd be pulling away. Don't get me wrong, I love miatas to death!
@jhaqastar Actually, that MSM is driven by a track instructor. And as far as M3's being faster than MX-5's, that sort of comes with the costing-more-than-twice-as-much sort of thing.
That is true! I was just introduced to the world of Euro recently and those Bimmers can corner! Specially considering the weight they're hauling. I retract my statement of if the Miata was the superior duo thing! I'm a big M fan now too :D.
@jhaqastar It sounds like the M3 was an E36 too. Which means its one of the best (and I mean top three) car's of the 90's. Considering it's weight, you're right, it corners incredibly well.
its all driver related, iv seen people on the track that couldnt keep up with a school bus. So its all relative, just like that german woman that owned porsches with a diesel minivan on the nurbourgh (topgear)
i'm confused. i started running canyons by double laning. i don't do it all the time but if i felt like i needed the extra area i would do it. then my friend who runs it also thats been doin it for like 3 years now told me not to double lane so ever since then i just been practicing my single lane. but then i haven't watched this vid since i was 16 [im now 17] and i see you guys that i really look up to in touge youtube vids double lane. is it okay or not ? lol.
finally i found ur videos again, i personally chased down this M3 and this miata at different times, and these guys can drive. That miata would own everyone if it was TimeAttack style with no chasing. Dude is nuts as a lead car, definately put me at borderline with my comfort zone keeping up. Hope your up there this summer so i can test the new setup!!!
That Miata looks like its running at almost its outer most limit in most of the corners. With a lil money in the right areas that Miata could at least pull a lil on the M3 through corners. But both of you seem to have a great technique and should keep driving
nice driving.. ive been running the same canyons for about 6 years now.. Ive got a miata myself, but m3s are also one of my favorite cars. and for the record, a miata and an m3 are a great match for corners like that.. too bad you don't drive anymore..
Ive never driven an M3 so I have to respect your ride, im sure its a dream to drive, but as far as keeping up with him.... 1. You cant call yourself a serious driver if you dont understand its much easier to follow someone on a downhill course at night then lead. 2. The miata driver overcompensates and breaks on almost every corner bringing his skill into question. 3. Tape to tape your talking about 178hp car VS something with 300 plus if you couldnt keep up with him that M3 would be worthless.
My M3 is a US spec model. 240 hp, 3350lbs. That Miata had some work done to it and made then about as much power as the M3 did, but weighed 700lbs less or more.
VagaXT is a very good driver with a lot of experience in this run when we taped this. He's in my top 10 list of best drivers for this run. I just got tired of the MSM/Miata fanboyism in these comments. lol
I know that leading is a lot harder than following - By the time I shot this video I had already led hundreds of up/downhill runs and at the time there simply was nobody on this run that could pull away from me or that I couldn't pull away from. That's why I started doing videos, so I could follow others and still have fun.
I'm not talking from pure ego here, it's just the way it was 3 years ago. I'm retired and the next gen guys I saw growing up in the mountain are all faster than me now.
@iamtheg1111 It's much harder to lead than follow as gyrenejoe stated. A little check on the brake is not a bad idea at night. They are going pretty fast.
your brave as fuck to race downhill, it scares the living piss out of me. I love racing up hill though or on a twisty road, with a mix of uphill and low hill sections
While i have great appreciation for 3-series BMWs's and the M-3 for sure. They just don't have the feel of a Miata, and give the Miata a power to weight ratio close to the M-3 and reshoot that video.
Driving at night has a BIG advantage over daytime as you can see the reflection of oncoming car lights long before you can see the car. The danger being animals, or possibly a car without lights.
They are not going that fast anyway. The camera position makes it look faster than it was. After mounting my camera in various places I found I can make it look faster or slower.
I do agree, street racing is dangerous and stupid. That is learned when one of your group kills someone.
you have balls man what canyon is that im thinking its one in la but i maybe rong and wow i keep jumping whaching this video im all like thare is going to be a car in the corner lol but ya you just made me look like a littil girl trying to drive thows canyons in my miata lol XD
I'm from norcal and our roads are pretty damn secluded at night too, but if I'm coming downhill there's always the possibility of people going uphill, how are you supposed to avoid that if you're double laning every turn?
I'm not from your area so I won't assume too much. I'm sure you guys are great drivers but it lowers your credibility a little when I'm reading comments like "I'll never crash" and "only bad drivers worry about oil".
No. The R35 GT-R is also not a skyline. What most people don't know is that the 97 and 98 model year R33 Skyline GT-R is perfectly legal in the US, but importing and making it emission passable is another story. It's expensive, but legal.
2) "learn what it means to take risks"?! With other people's lives!? What if someone was running uphill the same way you were driving... whether or not you see the headlights in advance, you'd be f*cked. And more importantly, the potentially innocent driver on the other side would be too
Guiness World Record Holder for Best 2 seater roadster of ALL TIME. 99% of Gen 1 miatas are stick! Top Gear Reviewed it as the best british roadster ever! Best of all 8 of 10 Miatas going to Europe are going to Britain or Germany! The only people who dont like miatas... HAVENT DRIVEN ONE!
@nhblackdc5 not all americans hate the miata, but all miata haters are american.not against america, but just saying that the stereotype exists only here.
Driving manual isn't hard. Driving it fast like this, however, is. A muscle car would never hold its own against these two, I can guarantee it. On top of the, Skylines aren't legal in the USA, though they do fare well in the touge. They're very easy cars to drive, though, imo. This is speaking from experience.
great vid. with a little bit more of an intro of the stars of the show (the cars) it would make it more professional. understanding what you were doing was probably illegal, though (you don't want to incriminate yourselves). nevertheless, great vid, great cars, great road and great driving. enjoy life and drive sideways.
nice lines... a little dangerous for a two way road. but what the fuck no one got hurt! our badass local road is infested with law enforcement. i like how the miata kept its grip pretty much the whole time, as i said before nice lines.
Wow, great video. They've got to know that road really well. I've tried doing that stuff at night on a road i'm fairly familiar with and I find myself taking like 30-40% longer than during the day to make the run. But that miata is seriously committing to those turns. It's badass.
nice video man, makes me feel just a bit better i drive a miata. Wish they closed roads like that near my area just to drive it for shits and giggles.
Anyway, so screw the whole conversation concerning the security.. we all have different points of view and let's leave it at that. I'm under the impression the Miata has a better kind of reputation in the states as it has in Europe. In Europe the Miata is seen as a girlie/gay kind of car. At least, that's what I get to hear all the time, and that's what my friends (guys) get to hear too. I mean, people dig our rides, but the Miata in general... gets dissed. What do you guys think?
By the way, love the comment in the description `drive downhill or go home`... hehe. But tell me, what if I live on the beach? Then I would be driving downhill WHILE going home... lol. Nice vid, be careful and pick tracks over public roads!
that's the idea, the car has a great handling, why kill your tires and waste speed on drifting? Any RWD can drift, that doesn't mean that you MUST. Nuff said
But sometimes a drift doesn't hinder you but only helps take a corner.
Racing like this is about picking the best lines and making the right choices at each corner, how you can take it the fastest, either by drift, by minimal slip, or by fully harassing tire traction.
Not necessarily true. You are, with any extremely good handling car, going to get some rear wheel hop into a corner, but drifting it is another story altogether. Touge races are about grip, grip and more grip. Grip = better times. Tire spinning doesn't do anything but lose speed.
Ouput doesnt mean as much as you think it does on downhill runs. On uphill sure, but on downhill, it's talent > output any day, especially on roads with nothing but corners. So quit talking trash NOSman64.
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ok blu333. i probabaly know more about cars than u do about suckin dick. and ur real good at that. and i hope a miata hits me because it would crumple up like am bitch if it could even catch me stupid ass.
Muscle cars offer a certain type of pleasure. Sports cars offer another type. Muscle cars offer a pleasure which is accessible to anyone with a healthy foot. Driving in a str8 line v/s driving in corners is like picking an automatic over a manual transmission. Not saying a perfect launch and good shifts are an easy thing, but you can get the hang of them faster than driving as fast as these guys on the roads they're driving on.
wow. f*cking loser. "my car has more hp/torque than urs! blah blah blah". this miata can smoke ur piece of shit on the canyon anyday and so can i. learn how to drive instead of worrying about ur power output, loser.
bet i can beat your ass any time in a downhill with my 55hp cinquecento, dumbass.. I would like to see a "muscle car" going like this miata in those fucking corners!! ahh, i almost forgot, muscle cars are gay. and concordes will butt fuck muscle cars any day, more torque and hp plus they can fly!! suck me!! :D
I just got the 08 Grand Touring...After test driving many cars..I decided to pick up consumer reports...CR made my decision for me...The Miata blew past everything else in it's class, so those of us Miata owners are smart enough to choose quality and performance over the other crap out there.
Once again another person saying a Miata is "gay" with no real intelligent response as to why. Just because you are not secure enough in your manhood to enjoy a great automobile doesn't mean you have to try to bring everyone down...... Why don't you leave your stupidity and biased opinions aside and drive one before you say such idiotic things? The car is RWD, lightweight, and turbocharged, sounds good to me.
It takes no skill to stomp the pedal and go in a straight line, none whatsoever. If you think your Camaro is so bad ass then turn a corner against a car like the Miata. It's funny how the apparently 'gay' car can pull a way harder side G than your apparently 'manly' car.
oh and also NOSman64 whenever you want to bring you cobalt ss to the race give me a message here. Big talk, Big talk. Why dont you do your homework first and then start talking about miatas, be it turbo like this or a aftermarket turbo application or supercharged application.
when is the next time your going to do some of this? i would really like to chase some down hill for fun. lightly modded ek 4 door :) not trying to race. just have a good time. P.S. i know exactly how this is. OG spunky canyon was my playground at 2 A.M. good times when it was covered in snow.
tonedizzleallday 2 months ago
@tonedizzleallday or maybe a train through the crest.
tonedizzleallday 2 months ago
That was awesome!
TAHWU 2 months ago
grip runs.... i dont likem personally
hazzyXtheH1C0 3 months ago
a true nfs lollll
stjo555555 3 months ago
m3 wouldnt have been able to keep up if that were a real miata road. XD miatas suspension is so much tighter. thats why i love driving mine. :D except on bumpy roads, it kinda sucks there. lol thats where the lux of a bmw comes in,
thedudeman123456 4 months ago
Where is this road located?
catfisher10100 4 months ago
hot hot hot...!
pavlothebitch 5 months ago
what Road?
ispreadstds 6 months ago
I've watched some of Vaga he is a very good driver. Its boils down to skill and whats on the car. I mean you have to look at everything when it comes to a canyon run. Both of you are very good drivers. Both have very good reaction and I give mad props to both of you when the other car was coming on. It boils down to the cars and i've had my share of working on both. Suspension, to acceleration to rev limiter and of course the main reaction is shift points. gear ratio is a big factor when needed.
y2kcoug 6 months ago
E36's are beasts in stock trim, they handle soo good...miatas are great handling cars too but there not in the same league as the m3 in stock trim...yes with a very very skilled driver a miata could outpull eventually but he would have to be borderline insane to do so OR the m3 driver just cant drive worth a crap completely lol......you can tell in the video that the miata driver is having to push much harder to keep that pace(tire limits, wieght transfers)but both are good cars and drivers. :D
that1hatchi 6 months ago
and the Race, front M3 behind Miata !??!
zahlmoleis 7 months ago
If dude in the miata were a better driver, it wouldn't be so easy to keep up. Just sayin'.
jrhager84 7 months ago
@jrhager84 The dude in the Miata is an outstanding driver. Look up VagaXT here in YouTube. Just sayin'
gyrenejoe 7 months ago
@gyrenejoe
That may be so, but that was a pretty unimpressive run tbh... Way too much braking into corners... Nothing seemed "smooth" in terms of weight transfers. Lots of lost time there. Guess he's come a long way in 4 years? *shrugs*
jrhager84 7 months ago
@gyrenejoe This was 4 years ago you should try racing VagaXt on the track where he now spends most of his time obviously.
Jiggyezy14 5 months ago
@jrhager84 you can tell the miata driver isnt trying to pull away, that wouldent make a very good video.
SonicTechnician 4 months ago
@SonicTechnician
So, instead of finding a car that can keep up, you slow the driver down? Wow.... that sounds WAAAAAAAAAAAAY exciting.... "Hold on F1 driver, you're going to fast for my car. Only go ~80mph, so we can film the 'excitement'."
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jrhager84 4 months ago
@jrhager84 If dude in the miata were a Faster driver he'd probably be dead.
night time+public mountain roads+ showoff=crash+funny youtube video
Utubeisannoying1 4 months ago
18 people drive a FORD.
remzroller1551 11 months ago
is that alot of dust or snow? I mean you did say it was a cold night just wondering
d15bvtec98 11 months ago
@d15bvtec98 Dust.
gyrenejoe 11 months ago
ah, E36 M3 and miata, two of my favorite cars in the world :) Ended up buying the latter, only for budget reasons. I wish we had roads like that here in Holland, but here the biggest hills are the speed bumps -_-
slurfo 11 months ago 2
hope u can drive on your lane.
icn2002 1 year ago
How much whp does VagaXT's current MS Miata make right now?
wajalama 1 year ago
I love youtube professional race car drivers.
Looking at your lines and the fact that you both are hitting the brakes tells me that neither of you know how to drive very well.
Its called engine braking into the curve; those aren't that sharp you shouldn't be slowing down like that.
Come to eastern Kentucky and I'll blow your m3 away in my fc with a blown rear rotor.
Hell.
I'll run you in my fc that only has compression on one face of one rotor.
slitherz90 1 year ago
@slitherz90 Hahahaha. That's cute. Another clueless youtube commenter. I should just delete your post to save the rest from your idiocy.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
@gyrenejoe
I'm not clueless. You just seem to think that you are takumi or some shit in your m3.
The truth of the matter is that you really can't go around talking shit about how your m3 is better than miatas whenever you are following a guy that really doesn't seem to know the basics of racing in a canyon.
I wasn't joking, come to eastern kentucky and I will race you.
slitherz90 1 year ago
@slitherz90 Got a better solution for you - Come to So. Cal and I'll show you some real roads and spank you in a rental car.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
@gyrenejoe
Haha.
Some real roads?
I think you are a bit mistaken. The roads here are a lot better from the videos I've seen on youtube.
By better I mean one way winding roads around mountains.
Increasing and Decreasing radius curves.
Not any of those same ass curves over and over like you see in the video you posted.
slitherz90 1 year ago
@slitherz90 Video or it didn't happen.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
One reason the m3 is keeping up is because the miata is having to brake more than it needs too. It should have used it brakes less and used the cars weight to push itself through the corners. Then again it is a canyon run. That and the fact that the m3 is using the miata as a "when to brake" reference so it can brake later
importxpresions 1 year ago
@importxpresions: That's a load of nonsense. You really have no clue what you are talking about.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
@gyrenejoe lol, Please, do explain why importxpresions doesn't know what he is talking about?
AkinaGod 1 year ago
@AkinaGod Because he simply doesn't. He doesn't know this road, doesn't know me or VagaXT (The driver of the Miata), doesn't know the conditions of that night.
"One reason the M3 is keeping up" is a load of crap - This run was a 5:17, which according to VagaXT himself was the best run he's done - This very same night, just an hour later I ran a 5:04 on video downhill, which for 2 years stood as the quickest downhill run on street tires on this road. Check it out: /watch?v=YSXdolc2GVE
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
@gyrenejoe Look mate, miatas stock are almost half the weight of an M3. That advantage alone is what importxpresions was talking about. And if you were so confident about all this you wouldn't have responded like you did, which tells us you are not as good as you think you are. I used to downhill a FF from Virginia City to Reno NV all the time and constantly imporved my times with a stock care and street cars in ALL conditions. I can tell you my car was MUCH faster than these speeds.
AkinaGod 1 year ago
@gyrenejoe I'm not trying to be an ass but then again neither was importxpresions. It is true whoever was in the miata needs to learn to corner better That car doesn't NEED a turbo. All you need is to learn how to use the weight as the advantage. A good start would be to learn how to use a rally drift, especially with that car. You'd have owned the M3 for sure. Since it was 38 degrees on the road the only real advantage the M3 would have had is a wider tire and more power. Assuming it stock.
AkinaGod 1 year ago
That looked fun, the M3's front bumper looks like it was taking a beating.
jeeps005 1 year ago
you guys should've done an other run with the miata chasing the M3 . btw you guys are both awesome drivers
96integra02 1 year ago
Nice how fast were you guys going 60ish?
sonyericson20 1 year ago
Where is this MT. Located? The local run we have out here is HWY 74. It's tough with back to back turns, i think here the Miata would have the advantage over the M3.
Magneto007 1 year ago
@Magneto007 If you are talking about Ortega, this road is much steeper and tighter than that.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
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impetusmode 1 year ago
@impetusmode I have a video on here of me passing a new GTR at the track. What it doesn't show are the other 5 GTRs there that day that blew by me. :)
All my comments are based on my experiences at the canyons, I don't hate or dislike Miatas, far from it, I think they are great cars, but Back In The Day™ when this video was shot and a the couple of years before you weren't getting away from me in the downhill run in a Miata, S2K, Evo, 350Z, M3 or whatever. Now I'm old and out of the game. :)
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
@gyrenejoe You're never too old to have fun :)
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impetusmode 1 year ago
the real skill is it drive fast and STAY IN YOUR LANE.
wow .. shitty driving.
speedoracle 1 year ago
@speedoracle Hahahaha. Man, you're so cool.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
I bet the Miata would be right behind you as well if he was chasing. n_n
kls023 1 year ago
Deve ser um tédio subir essa estrada!
celiohenriquevm 1 year ago
where is this? xD
xEmerzon 1 year ago
@xEmerzon Tail of the Dragon, I guess.
ChuckyDoll79 1 year ago
@ChuckyDoll79 nah I drove by deal's gap and the terrain is completely different I actually found out it's in socal I think or some part of california
xEmerzon 1 year ago
I will say your car handles very nicely under stress. My Rtabs are stock and have about 30,000 miles on them. I will be rebuilding the front end over the winter if I keep my E36. It has about 67,000 miles on it now. Don't get me wrong, the E36 is a great handling car, but I think the Miata is easier to drive. I think if you were in the Miata and your M3 was in front, driving abilities would have been the biggest determining factor.
kuladeeluxe 1 year ago
@kuladeeluxe I agree that the NA/NB Miata is very easy to drive, but I think that the E36 M3 is better in higher speed situations (Much faster than anything in this video), but I'll also go on to say that the E36 M3 is actually a lot harder to drive fast than people think it is, and I've seen more than a few crash in the canyons because they think that M3's are magic, self driving cars.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
@gyrenejoe
There was a chase program on here somewhere, a 15 year old kid whooping cops in vettes, dodging spike strips trying to get away. Would have succeeded too if it wasn't for the break down.
M3's are magic!
kirkey99 1 year ago
I've got a 98 M3 with fresh PS2's and Konis and low mileage. It doesn't corner as neatly as my Brother's stock Miata. Nice knowing the streets are still safe in your locale.
kuladeeluxe 1 year ago
@kuladeeluxe E36 M3's need two things replaced to handle well:
The rear trailing arm bushings (RTAB) need to be replaced with a solid set or kept in place with a limiter kit and the front lower control arm bushings (LCA) also need to be replaced with a soild set.
It wouldn't surprise me if your car's are shot need to be swapped out.
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
o.O veteran... o.O, you sure? it looked like you weren't even trying to catch up... and whats with his constant braking? some kinda scare tactic? doesn't work if you're too far behind....
You should've just passed him near the end of the vid, just to rub it in, i mean come on, you did make one mis-shift dropping your turbo and power off some where in the last third of this vid... and he shit cann't out run... wtf
toasterder 1 year ago
What road is this? I'll bet it's out west... We have good mountain roads like this in the east but there a good many more trees.
littlesammy78 1 year ago
@littlesammy78 IMO, the road looks like the Tail of the Dragon. Google it.
ChuckyDoll79 1 year ago
LOL
My 250whp miata is nothing special... but it eats M3s all day long at NASA events...
Sorry to burst your bubble.
SenorDirtySanchez 1 year ago
It's kind of difficult to compare a Miata to a M3. M3 is obviously a much better car. But for the money the Miata is a great car too. In this video (like most REAL racing videos) it seems the driver is the deciding factor.
MyOpinionMatterss 1 year ago
i would try this in my eclipse, but i'd probably under steer of a cliff
cobralover88 1 year ago
where is this at, I MUST KNOW!!!!
phuse99 1 year ago
@phuse99 My guess: Tail of the Dragon.
ChuckyDoll79 1 year ago
are u guys in CA? NICE video! love the handeling on the little miata and the M3 isss... no word here :) awesome. - is the mazdaspeed miata RWD by any chance (i think it's front)? I'm in the market for an autocross "toy" and the miata is one of the options... any thoughts anyone? - sold my evo 9 :(
urmatoru 1 year ago
I'm a guy and I want to buy a Miata, and from the posts and blogs online, people call it a girl's car. From this video, it doesn't seem like a girl could keep up at that speed.
aupairdiary 1 year ago
The Miata put up a fight, any one can see that... but an M3 is just a peace of great engeniring :D it doesn't matter if its an E36, it's still bad ass car...
even if they would swap possitions the Miata would just eat dust from the Bmw :D
they can't be eaquals and they never will be... but the M3 shows that eaven the evo7 and the Impreza could't spread the lead in the uphill movies:D
So once again... Bmw M3 amaizing car :D
Nice driveing:D
hondafreakec 1 year ago
hahaha annotations made me laugh. But not in a disrespectful kind of way.
It's sad reading the other comments. Kudos to the M3 and kudos to the Miata. I mean, cant two friends have fun carving a canyon without getting criticized anymore :P. I mean they ain't even racing (in a sense that there's no winner loser in the end). They're just having fun. Take it easy :P.
Besides, if the Miata and it's driver were the superior combo, they'd be pulling away. Don't get me wrong, I love miatas to death!
jhaqastar 1 year ago 13
@jhaqastar Actually, that MSM is driven by a track instructor. And as far as M3's being faster than MX-5's, that sort of comes with the costing-more-than-twice-as-much sort of thing.
MarsupialQuadron 11 months ago
@MarsupialQuadron
That is true! I was just introduced to the world of Euro recently and those Bimmers can corner! Specially considering the weight they're hauling. I retract my statement of if the Miata was the superior duo thing! I'm a big M fan now too :D.
jhaqastar 11 months ago
@jhaqastar It sounds like the M3 was an E36 too. Which means its one of the best (and I mean top three) car's of the 90's. Considering it's weight, you're right, it corners incredibly well.
MarsupialQuadron 11 months ago
its all driver related, iv seen people on the track that couldnt keep up with a school bus. So its all relative, just like that german woman that owned porsches with a diesel minivan on the nurbourgh (topgear)
wootmajor 1 year ago
what is the best canyon car in your opinion?
suprakilzz26 1 year ago
love the video make morelol
salvador62633 1 year ago
i'm confused. i started running canyons by double laning. i don't do it all the time but if i felt like i needed the extra area i would do it. then my friend who runs it also thats been doin it for like 3 years now told me not to double lane so ever since then i just been practicing my single lane. but then i haven't watched this vid since i was 16 [im now 17] and i see you guys that i really look up to in touge youtube vids double lane. is it okay or not ? lol.
ceejaayxx 1 year ago
finally i found ur videos again, i personally chased down this M3 and this miata at different times, and these guys can drive. That miata would own everyone if it was TimeAttack style with no chasing. Dude is nuts as a lead car, definately put me at borderline with my comfort zone keeping up. Hope your up there this summer so i can test the new setup!!!
kanyonkid1 1 year ago
That Miata looks like its running at almost its outer most limit in most of the corners. With a lil money in the right areas that Miata could at least pull a lil on the M3 through corners. But both of you seem to have a great technique and should keep driving
BigRickySweets 1 year ago
nice driving.. ive been running the same canyons for about 6 years now.. Ive got a miata myself, but m3s are also one of my favorite cars. and for the record, a miata and an m3 are a great match for corners like that.. too bad you don't drive anymore..
driftproject240 1 year ago
Everyone knows that its MUCH easier to follow at night. The reason the M3 can see is because the Miata is lighting the way.
TheMXGeorge 1 year ago
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wow yo uguys are so dumb for doing this. next time their will be a car driving the opposite direction and all 3 of u will be fucked
Kruc1fix 1 year ago
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Cordius 1 year ago
Lmfao. You are a dumbass!
thatoneguy5349 1 year ago
Ive never driven an M3 so I have to respect your ride, im sure its a dream to drive, but as far as keeping up with him.... 1. You cant call yourself a serious driver if you dont understand its much easier to follow someone on a downhill course at night then lead. 2. The miata driver overcompensates and breaks on almost every corner bringing his skill into question. 3. Tape to tape your talking about 178hp car VS something with 300 plus if you couldnt keep up with him that M3 would be worthless.
iamtheg1111 2 years ago
My M3 is a US spec model. 240 hp, 3350lbs. That Miata had some work done to it and made then about as much power as the M3 did, but weighed 700lbs less or more.
VagaXT is a very good driver with a lot of experience in this run when we taped this. He's in my top 10 list of best drivers for this run. I just got tired of the MSM/Miata fanboyism in these comments. lol
gyrenejoe 2 years ago 7
I know that leading is a lot harder than following - By the time I shot this video I had already led hundreds of up/downhill runs and at the time there simply was nobody on this run that could pull away from me or that I couldn't pull away from. That's why I started doing videos, so I could follow others and still have fun.
I'm not talking from pure ego here, it's just the way it was 3 years ago. I'm retired and the next gen guys I saw growing up in the mountain are all faster than me now.
gyrenejoe 2 years ago
@gyrenejoe
What do the new kids drive?
captaincolen 1 year ago
@captaincolen Evo's and built S2K's
gyrenejoe 1 year ago 2
@gyrenejoe WTF leading is harder, following is easier are you a chick or somthing.
kicksoffs 1 year ago
@kicksoffs You're not big on the whole reading comprehension thing, are you?
gyrenejoe 1 year ago
@iamtheg1111 It's much harder to lead than follow as gyrenejoe stated. A little check on the brake is not a bad idea at night. They are going pretty fast.
zYzmrZIzYz 1 year ago
@iamtheg1111 yes, his braking sucks
toasterder 1 year ago
LOL at commentary at bottom.
StockDC2 2 years ago
your brave as fuck to race downhill, it scares the living piss out of me. I love racing up hill though or on a twisty road, with a mix of uphill and low hill sections
3star2nr 2 years ago
Reality Check?
While i have great appreciation for 3-series BMWs's and the M-3 for sure. They just don't have the feel of a Miata, and give the Miata a power to weight ratio close to the M-3 and reshoot that video.
3Deuce27 2 years ago
yeah like around the azusa area is great especially when the subarus come by you can hear their engines from some distance.
19mazda90man 2 years ago
Nice road!
Driving at night has a BIG advantage over daytime as you can see the reflection of oncoming car lights long before you can see the car. The danger being animals, or possibly a car without lights.
They are not going that fast anyway. The camera position makes it look faster than it was. After mounting my camera in various places I found I can make it look faster or slower.
I do agree, street racing is dangerous and stupid. That is learned when one of your group kills someone.
JagLite48 2 years ago
Kids, Don't street race. Unless you want to grieve for the next 10 years don't street race. Find a track. Much safer and pretty fun:)
mazdaspeedproduction 2 years ago
How do you know no cars are coming?
1995sho 2 years ago
No lights illuminating the corner you are approaching.
Augownage 2 years ago
in a convertible? no thank you...
JuicedJetta 2 years ago
you have balls man what canyon is that im thinking its one in la but i maybe rong and wow i keep jumping whaching this video im all like thare is going to be a car in the corner lol but ya you just made me look like a littil girl trying to drive thows canyons in my miata lol XD
JUSTINlineboy 2 years ago
Are all those little things in the air bugs? lol
Jonathanowns 2 years ago
I'm from norcal and our roads are pretty damn secluded at night too, but if I'm coming downhill there's always the possibility of people going uphill, how are you supposed to avoid that if you're double laning every turn?
I'm not from your area so I won't assume too much. I'm sure you guys are great drivers but it lowers your credibility a little when I'm reading comments like "I'll never crash" and "only bad drivers worry about oil".
Stay safe out there.
hellspare 2 years ago 3
Maybe your roads are completely secluded at night, but you have to understand where people come from.
hellspare 2 years ago
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Eh, too much initial D ricers?
SpiritDragon148 2 years ago
the miata coulda left the camera car... he was turning to late in a few turns thats wat i see in the video i dont know the road but good run!
1990prodigy 2 years ago
Yeah, he definitely could have. The M3 would catch up on the straights though.
Cordius 2 years ago
get karts and actually race
quantumdoom 2 years ago
if skylines are illegal in the U.S. then when the GTR-35 comes out on U.S., does that make the rest of them legal now
jedizelfknight 2 years ago
No. The R35 GT-R is also not a skyline. What most people don't know is that the 97 and 98 model year R33 Skyline GT-R is perfectly legal in the US, but importing and making it emission passable is another story. It's expensive, but legal.
Cordius 2 years ago
how did u guys know that the trail was clear of traffic? Did you guys keep in contact w/ walkietalkies or were you guys attempting the Darwin award?
tubegangsta 2 years ago
haha. you'll learn what it means to take risks if you run this road. often times you can see a headlight approaching and immediately honk/slow down.
also it is a very desolate road late at night, the only ones usually using it are these people you see in the video themselves.
jibtastic77 2 years ago
1) do you even know which road this is?
2) "learn what it means to take risks"?! With other people's lives!? What if someone was running uphill the same way you were driving... whether or not you see the headlights in advance, you'd be f*cked. And more importantly, the potentially innocent driver on the other side would be too
Devgru38 2 years ago 3
i think your a bitch... just going to throw that out there
PAC0TAC0 2 years ago
When its dark on roads like this you see the lights on the surrounding far ahead of time.
Cordius 2 years ago
dev its a mix of what cordius said.
1) haha. i drive this road about 3 times a week, uphill and downhill.
and no, you wouldn't be fucked. you see the lights in a matter of instant and pull immediately onto the shoulder.
jibtastic77 2 years ago
very nice!
kurac3000 2 years ago
Guiness World Record Holder for Best 2 seater roadster of ALL TIME. 99% of Gen 1 miatas are stick! Top Gear Reviewed it as the best british roadster ever! Best of all 8 of 10 Miatas going to Europe are going to Britain or Germany! The only people who dont like miatas... HAVENT DRIVEN ONE!
nhblackdc5 2 years ago 14
@nhblackdc5 not all americans hate the miata, but all miata haters are american.not against america, but just saying that the stereotype exists only here.
carmodifire 1 year ago
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miatas are for girls who r learning how to drive manual, use a skyline or muscle car if u want a real challenge
jedizelfknight 2 years ago
If you want an even BIGGER challenge, go down that same road in a 19th century horse drawn carriage.
JeefCakes 2 years ago 3
pffft its better with cars
oh yea if u want the biggest challenge go down that road with a tank and drift that tank too
dont think u cant drift tanks because i seen the swedish ppl do it
jedizelfknight 2 years ago
and while you are at it, try riding a wave with a cafeteria table.
monkeyboy866 2 years ago
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JAMinguitardude1 2 years ago
Driving manual isn't hard. Driving it fast like this, however, is. A muscle car would never hold its own against these two, I can guarantee it. On top of the, Skylines aren't legal in the USA, though they do fare well in the touge. They're very easy cars to drive, though, imo. This is speaking from experience.
Cordius 2 years ago
call miatas gay all you want, but a true car enthusiast will have a blast driving one.
MurkY0u 2 years ago 21
@MurkY0u or get a rex
srsairbags 1 year ago
great vid. with a little bit more of an intro of the stars of the show (the cars) it would make it more professional. understanding what you were doing was probably illegal, though (you don't want to incriminate yourselves). nevertheless, great vid, great cars, great road and great driving. enjoy life and drive sideways.
fundamental1975 2 years ago
nice lines... a little dangerous for a two way road. but what the fuck no one got hurt! our badass local road is infested with law enforcement. i like how the miata kept its grip pretty much the whole time, as i said before nice lines.
juhanifuckedurmom 2 years ago
beautiful driving.
mustangtomiata 2 years ago
Wow wheat a road! Great drivers too! Where is that?
9701165 2 years ago
that road is awesome!
TravisBirdsall 2 years ago
Is it just me, or did the M3 have it's brights on the whole way down? Miata dude must have been pissed.
anfman1986 2 years ago
They're on on purpose for the video. The Miata driver was fine with that.
gyrenejoe 2 years ago
Oh, I assumed (you?) meant to have them on. I just know I hate brights behind me. It's why I tail as much as I can.
anfman1986 2 years ago
that looks like one fun road to be driving on
mavadd88 2 years ago
where is this at?
ssjeff1205 2 years ago
Wow, great video. They've got to know that road really well. I've tried doing that stuff at night on a road i'm fairly familiar with and I find myself taking like 30-40% longer than during the day to make the run. But that miata is seriously committing to those turns. It's badass.
boobmcnutt 3 years ago
nice video man, makes me feel just a bit better i drive a miata. Wish they closed roads like that near my area just to drive it for shits and giggles.
gillzisrockin 3 years ago
Anyway, so screw the whole conversation concerning the security.. we all have different points of view and let's leave it at that. I'm under the impression the Miata has a better kind of reputation in the states as it has in Europe. In Europe the Miata is seen as a girlie/gay kind of car. At least, that's what I get to hear all the time, and that's what my friends (guys) get to hear too. I mean, people dig our rides, but the Miata in general... gets dissed. What do you guys think?
biferna 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure the reputation of the Miata in the States is the same as in Europe.
dumkopf 2 years ago
well here in the states is the same but some people don't think it that way. its more like a 50/50. I don't care I'm still getting a miata!
edwardelrick5 2 years ago
man that looks fun
SMTHdomain 3 years ago
By the way, love the comment in the description `drive downhill or go home`... hehe. But tell me, what if I live on the beach? Then I would be driving downhill WHILE going home... lol. Nice vid, be careful and pick tracks over public roads!
xsaradriver1 3 years ago
uhhh.......miata is a good drifting car if u not gona drift dont get one serious and big deal anyone can corner lik that if they had a miata
sonyericson20 3 years ago
that's the idea, the car has a great handling, why kill your tires and waste speed on drifting? Any RWD can drift, that doesn't mean that you MUST. Nuff said
Racer556 3 years ago 2
Well said.
But sometimes a drift doesn't hinder you but only helps take a corner.
Racing like this is about picking the best lines and making the right choices at each corner, how you can take it the fastest, either by drift, by minimal slip, or by fully harassing tire traction.
Rfsancho 3 years ago
Not necessarily true. You are, with any extremely good handling car, going to get some rear wheel hop into a corner, but drifting it is another story altogether. Touge races are about grip, grip and more grip. Grip = better times. Tire spinning doesn't do anything but lose speed.
Cordius 2 years ago
Ouput doesnt mean as much as you think it does on downhill runs. On uphill sure, but on downhill, it's talent > output any day, especially on roads with nothing but corners. So quit talking trash NOSman64.
PS - Nitrous Express > NOS
Rfsancho 3 years ago
@Rfsancho
Someone has been watching Initial D XD
I agree completely.
grummblecakes 1 year ago
lol who gives a dam if you know
more about cars.
how can we know if you aint gettting
your shit ideas from the internet
thinking you know more about cars.
i know some ppl do. and those ppl
wouldnt be talking if they do know more.
xD
so give it a rest..
bboiiskatexpert 3 years ago
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ok blu333. i probabaly know more about cars than u do about suckin dick. and ur real good at that. and i hope a miata hits me because it would crumple up like am bitch if it could even catch me stupid ass.
NOSman64 3 years ago
you obviously know jack shit about cars so quit talking
diamonds27 3 years ago 2
Why is there so much drama over who knows cars, just live and love it.
Pbkid590 3 years ago 2
Muscle cars offer a certain type of pleasure. Sports cars offer another type. Muscle cars offer a pleasure which is accessible to anyone with a healthy foot. Driving in a str8 line v/s driving in corners is like picking an automatic over a manual transmission. Not saying a perfect launch and good shifts are an easy thing, but you can get the hang of them faster than driving as fast as these guys on the roads they're driving on.
xsaradriver1 3 years ago 3
drift downhill video next :D!
xcutioners 3 years ago
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ya miata's r gay. and muscle cars will butt fuck miatas anyday. more torque and hp u bitches so if u drive a miata u like dick in ur butt
NOSman64 3 years ago
wow. f*cking loser. "my car has more hp/torque than urs! blah blah blah". this miata can smoke ur piece of shit on the canyon anyday and so can i. learn how to drive instead of worrying about ur power output, loser.
bunta1986 3 years ago 4
We don't want to know about your daddy putting his dick in you! I hope you get hit by a MIATA you piece of shit who doesn't know anything about cars!
blu333 3 years ago 3
bet i can beat your ass any time in a downhill with my 55hp cinquecento, dumbass.. I would like to see a "muscle car" going like this miata in those fucking corners!! ahh, i almost forgot, muscle cars are gay. and concordes will butt fuck muscle cars any day, more torque and hp plus they can fly!! suck me!! :D
3r4ndo 3 years ago 2
Looks like a good road... but the miata needs better suspension and that ride would be INSANE
juztchillaxin420 3 years ago
I just got the 08 Grand Touring...After test driving many cars..I decided to pick up consumer reports...CR made my decision for me...The Miata blew past everything else in it's class, so those of us Miata owners are smart enough to choose quality and performance over the other crap out there.
cmientus 3 years ago
that's a pretty mean downhill
jimmeh000 3 years ago
Sux i live in florida. I wish i had friends that are willing to organize stuff like this :'(. Miata RULEZ !!! I got one and its fun to drive
res1qlbh 3 years ago
Once again another person saying a Miata is "gay" with no real intelligent response as to why. Just because you are not secure enough in your manhood to enjoy a great automobile doesn't mean you have to try to bring everyone down...... Why don't you leave your stupidity and biased opinions aside and drive one before you say such idiotic things? The car is RWD, lightweight, and turbocharged, sounds good to me.
bassguitar987 3 years ago 4
Recce80 is a fucking faggot what the hell would a vw driver know about a great car like the miata.
Nosman64 is also fucking retarted no piece of shit american muscle car can beat a miata on the touge.
initialdfcfd 3 years ago
Who the hell is Recce80. Calling miata's gay but look under his vids. V DUUUB IN DA HOOOOUSE. Jetta's are girl cars.
Anyhow the miata driver is amazing. hands down makes me want to purchase one.
Arrowface 3 years ago
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ya lets see. hmmm i got alot more power dumb fuck. o and u have a vagina just like a miata. fits u good bitch
NOSman64 3 years ago
You got more power? I bet you don't even drive. Post some videos of your amazing driving or keep quiet.
Post them up and link them here or I'll just delete your incoherent, uneducated gruntings from my comment page.
C'mon tough guy, let's see your driving, post them up or go crawl back under your rock.
By the way, I'm not driving the Miata, you tool.
gyrenejoe 3 years ago
i have a camaro dumb ass so bend over and take it in the butt like u r used to
NOSman64 3 years ago
Camaro, haha! you must be some kind of guido pole smoker.
gyrenejoe 3 years ago
It takes no skill to stomp the pedal and go in a straight line, none whatsoever. If you think your Camaro is so bad ass then turn a corner against a car like the Miata. It's funny how the apparently 'gay' car can pull a way harder side G than your apparently 'manly' car.
Nice chirps though, you should feel accomplished.
Str8Ghostin 3 years ago 2
oh and also NOSman64 whenever you want to bring you cobalt ss to the race give me a message here. Big talk, Big talk. Why dont you do your homework first and then start talking about miatas, be it turbo like this or a aftermarket turbo application or supercharged application.
towlston76 3 years ago